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Vikings Tailgate: Cy and Chad Respect The Perseverance Of The Tortured Cleveland Browns Fan - CLE - Ep 58 · The Vikings Tailgate

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  Speaker 1: I'm here, Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Tailgate,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Ticketmaster. It's me, your host, cy Onminson,
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  Speaker 1: sitting across from me, your co host, the Great Chad Daniels.
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  Speaker 1: Your favorite team is still over in Europe. They're recovering
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  Speaker 1: from a loss in Ireland. They're headed England way, and
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  Speaker 1: now we got to get one before we come home. Chad,
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  Speaker 1: this is a I don't want to be dramatic. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to start the show. I'm dramatic too often,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't want to start the show dramatic. But
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  Speaker 1: like I always assume, to fly home after a loss
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  Speaker 1: sucks and the only experience I have. We both grew
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  Speaker 1: up rural, didn't go to a lot of sporting events
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  Speaker 1: as little kids. I went to my first Viking game,
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  Speaker 1: I believe I was a senior in high school, and
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  Speaker 1: we want it, But I always had that thing like
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  Speaker 1: if we'd have lost, that three and a half hour
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  Speaker 1: drive home with a loss hits a lot different in
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  Speaker 1: your face paint than the twenty minute drive back to
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  Speaker 1: a dina. And that's that's what I think about with
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  Speaker 1: these England games, Like, dude, if you take an L
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  Speaker 1: in England and then they're like, well, now let's traverse
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  Speaker 1: the globe as losers. Ugh, don't don't care for it.
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  Speaker 2: I know you don't believe in jet lag with pfe athletes,
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  Speaker 2: but I think this is going to be great. That
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  Speaker 2: they're sitting over do you do it? That's because you
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  Speaker 2: told me last week. So I think that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be great sitting over there practicing in their normal time,
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  Speaker 2: because I think it would be horrible to have to
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  Speaker 2: take that flight home. Because I remember going from Minneapolis
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  Speaker 2: to Fergus Falls after the Timberwolves got destroyed by the
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  Speaker 2: Bulls and they should have and I didn't even get
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  Speaker 2: to see Michael Jordan because my back was against the metrodome. Ceiling,
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  Speaker 2: and so there are those times. But I will tell
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  Speaker 2: you the first time ever came to a Twins game,
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  Speaker 2: we parked for some reason way over on the campus
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  Speaker 2: and I got to see two people kiss for the
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  Speaker 2: first time ever live that weren't my parents, And that
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  Speaker 2: was a pretty cool trip home.
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  Speaker 1: What an origin story for you and how you think
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  Speaker 1: you did?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more not even worrying about the players.
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  Speaker 1: So our normal producer, Jay Nelson is not with us today.
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  Speaker 1: We have sub producers, and honestly, they're gunning for the job.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're doing great. They're gunning for the job,
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  Speaker 1: and it feels like they have a chance.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because I did hear when we brought Jay up,
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  Speaker 2: both of them at the same time, said jab.
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  Speaker 1: I heard one of them go, so the h he
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  Speaker 1: flew He flew over there for the Ireland game, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 1: and he wasn't there for a full week of hanging
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  Speaker 1: out in Ireland. He's like, I'm gonna go there as
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  Speaker 1: a fan even though he works for the team. And
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  Speaker 1: then we lost and then they were like, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: your normal flight no longer happening. We're gonna send you
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  Speaker 1: on a side flight. Four hours the wrong way and
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  Speaker 1: then all the way back. That's a tough when you
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  Speaker 1: love a football team, that's a tough draw to be
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  Speaker 1: going the wrong way across the globe. So I do
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of friends who are going to the
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  Speaker 1: England game. And yeah, I mean not just for myself
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  Speaker 1: or sake of needing the team to win, because the
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  Speaker 1: schedule coming up. Daddy, Yeah, you need.
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  Speaker 2: You need to get on the right side of the
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  Speaker 2: scales of justice. There's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: Before we see the Eagles, Ravens and Lions.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my yes, I think we could take Ravens out
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  Speaker 2: of there. Listen, thanks Dereck Henry in fantasy this year
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  Speaker 2: and guess what hard pass. Listen to this. So I
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  Speaker 2: love that Jay is telling everybody that the airline did this,
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  Speaker 2: when really he just needed a long layover in Amsterdam.
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  Speaker 1: After that long we get it feels like he needed
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  Speaker 1: more than anything, a break from the two of us.
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  Speaker 1: It feels personal. H No, Probably we play the Steelers.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care for the Steelers like I don't mind,
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  Speaker 1: but we have a lot We talked about this last week.
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  Speaker 1: They've had a lot of success. I don't need to
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  Speaker 1: root even if I like Mike Tomlin, even if I
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  Speaker 1: like our friends who like the Steelers, I don't need
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  Speaker 1: to root for the Steelers. Now the Browns much like
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals in this AFC North run we're on. If
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  Speaker 1: there is any fan base that I think comes toe
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  Speaker 1: to toe with the miser of the Minnesota fan, it
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  Speaker 1: is it is the Clear and I think they get
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  Speaker 1: the I think they have the upper hand. I think
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  Speaker 1: had Lebron James never been there, had they not won
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  Speaker 1: that Like, sure, you know the Guardians have won some titles,
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  Speaker 1: but I think specifically in football, they have a hand
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  Speaker 1: at a table right next to ours with the oh my,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is terrible and we are we're
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  Speaker 1: miserable when we've been close so many times because I
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  Speaker 1: think when you are one of those teams who's who've like,
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  Speaker 1: never won anything, and I wonder if this is the
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  Speaker 1: same way if the Niners have this or the Steelers
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  Speaker 1: have this, but we have memorable moments with names that
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  Speaker 1: went against us. Yeah, right, the Hail Mary was invented
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  Speaker 1: against us, the Hail Mary game, right, the kick, the
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  Speaker 1: Gary Anderson kicks. So the Browns, I mean, you want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about taking an iconic name like blow like
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  Speaker 1: at a really hard time twice in row. So it's
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven like that is the drive. That's the John
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  Speaker 1: Lay And I think we have a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: who are younger who like maybe know what that is.
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  Speaker 1: They've heard it. But to break the specifics of that down,
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  Speaker 1: there are five minutes and forty three seconds left. The
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  Speaker 1: Browns score to go up twenty thirteen, and then this
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  Speaker 1: dude ken Bell misplays the ensuing kickoff and it's on
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  Speaker 1: the two yard line. They've got to go ninety eight
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  Speaker 1: yards to tie. Now, every Viking fan right now is going, well,
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  Speaker 1: of course they're gonna, but I don't. That's not what
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  Speaker 1: other people feel. No one in Seattle feels that. That's
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  Speaker 1: what we feel, and that's what the Browns feel. So
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  Speaker 1: that's the iconic Lway drive horrible, right.
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  Speaker 2: And when you we're saying things like the drive, think
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  Speaker 2: of how many drives there have been and this is
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  Speaker 2: the drive, the drive, and everyone knows this is like
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  Speaker 2: when you say Madonna or Share, everybody knows what you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about. That's an embarrassing field.
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  Speaker 1: This one's if you think that's bad. So they right,
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  Speaker 1: they losing that AFC Championship game. They were prime to
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  Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. But there's this feeling obviously
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  Speaker 1: in Cleveland. The time is they had a very good
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  Speaker 1: team and they will be back, and they did get
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  Speaker 1: back to another AFC Championship game and they are on
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  Speaker 1: it's They drove to the Denver eight yard line with
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  Speaker 1: a minute twelve left, right Bernie Cosar hands it off
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  Speaker 1: to Ernest Beiner. He bounces, he bounces back outside and
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  Speaker 1: he fumbles and they lose that game. It's like a
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  Speaker 1: like I said, a minute twelve remaining that is forever
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  Speaker 1: referred to as the fumble.
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  Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Of all the fumbles, you're the fumble that sucks. I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't even think of what the vite. I know what
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  Speaker 1: the pick is. When you say, if somebody were to
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  Speaker 1: say the interception, do you do you go to the
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  Speaker 1: right place as a Viking fan, don't know farther across
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  Speaker 1: the body for me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean that's a big I mean, but you
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  Speaker 2: know what I was. Also, you'd say the fumble, and
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  Speaker 2: I have a bunch of other ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, can I tell you?
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  Speaker 2: I think they just got it early. That's that's what's
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  Speaker 2: happening here?
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  Speaker 1: Can you the other thing that I do? And you're
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  Speaker 1: a huge hockey guy, so this is relevant to watch
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  Speaker 1: a beloved team move from a city and have that
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  Speaker 1: owner become a villain to the city like we did
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  Speaker 1: with the north Stars, the the Browns moving and that
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  Speaker 1: whole song, like, but I'm not as big a hockey
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  Speaker 1: guy if you have. The Dallas Stars won a title.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and let me tell you, let me tell you
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  Speaker 2: that we yeah, we almost well, we were right there.
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  Speaker 2: We we were on the doorstep. And that's the year
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  Speaker 2: they moved. And my first my first album. Instead of
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  Speaker 2: a thank you list, it's a letter to Norm Green
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  Speaker 2: for moving the team, and it's not great. I had
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  Speaker 2: to put it on the inside.
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  Speaker 1: Also our city because of that. No one ever talks
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  Speaker 1: about this, because I don't think anybody cares about team
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  Speaker 1: names as much as I do. But we had the
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  Speaker 1: shot at having I like, in my opinion, the iconic
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  Speaker 1: collection of team names. Had no one ever been moved
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  Speaker 1: right right the north Stars. I believe the Minnesota north
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  Speaker 1: Stars was the best team name in the entire NHL.
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  Speaker 1: That is my personal opinion. It sucks that it's the
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Stars. I think that's horrific, I but also maybe
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  Speaker 1: the greatest name in the history of professional sports, and
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  Speaker 1: it still is because they went on to all their success.
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  Speaker 1: But the Minneapolis Lakers the Lakers, we could be the
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  Speaker 1: Minneapolis Lakers, the Minnesota Vikings, the Minnesota north Stars, and
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  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Twins.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty It's untouchable for names.
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  Speaker 1: It's untouchable for names, and yet it feels so touchable
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  Speaker 1: for lack of titles. Here's what I will say though,
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  Speaker 1: like and now, because I think if you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: pick out the teams in the NFL that I think
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  Speaker 1: we can share misery with and root for, it's a
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  Speaker 1: very small list. You and I both love the Buffalo Bills.
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  Speaker 2: Bills, yeah, owen foreign Super Bowls just like the virus.
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  Speaker 1: Really really really easy to root for them. The Detroit Lions,
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  Speaker 1: even though they're in the same division, Like, until we're eliminated,
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  Speaker 1: I want them to lose. But once we're eliminated, as
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  Speaker 1: long as it's not by them, you know, Like I
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  Speaker 1: think the Lions, and then I think it's the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Bengals and the Browns because some of the
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  Speaker 1: other ones that have struggled, like the Jags and some
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  Speaker 1: other players like there's just not the the long history
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  Speaker 1: where with the Vikings, And I think this is the
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  Speaker 1: same way with the Browns. Had you been successful, had
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  Speaker 1: you want to had the I'm of the firm belief
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, had you won two of
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  Speaker 1: those Super Bowls, and going back to that Hail Mary
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  Speaker 1: game that fran Tarkentin says that was the he believes
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  Speaker 1: that was his envy season. He thinks that's the best
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  Speaker 1: team they ever had. So that would have been a
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  Speaker 1: fifth super Bowl trip. And if you even win two titles,
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  Speaker 1: I think we are in the conversation with the Packers Niners.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Steelers, Cowboys, the more iconic franchise, and the
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  Speaker 1: Browns had a couple of big misses in that same way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think you. I think these cities
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  Speaker 2: that you're talking about they can't win. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: believe that they could talent wise, but I'm saying for
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  Speaker 2: the fan base, you can't. It's so cold in Minnesota,
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  Speaker 2: it's so cold in Buffalo, it's cold in Cleveland. These
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  Speaker 2: are all you know, started off as blue collar cities.
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati at two cities in Ohio, and the fan base
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  Speaker 2: needs to go to work and they need to get up,
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  Speaker 2: and they need while they're while they're trying to start
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  Speaker 2: their car when it's twenty below zero, they need to
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  Speaker 2: be able to say, well, at least we're not the Browns.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're saying, you're saying, the Browns need to
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  Speaker 1: keep losing so we can have see.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying everybody, I'm saying, I'm just saying, like, it
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  Speaker 2: is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: When the Browns go at least we're not the Vikings,
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  Speaker 1: and the Vikings go at least we're not the Lions,
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  Speaker 1: and the Bills go at least we're not the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just a circular. What I would say is
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  Speaker 1: it's really interesting getting to know all these other fan
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  Speaker 1: bases when you kind of do this on a week
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  Speaker 1: to week basis, because that same misery the Bills oh
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  Speaker 1: for four, the Vikings oh for four with the championship loss,
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  Speaker 1: the Browns, the move their losses, the Lions, the thirties,
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  Speaker 1: everybody handles it really differently. It's almost like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the this is this metaphor sucks Chad. But do you
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  Speaker 1: remember the movie The Mask?
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  Speaker 2: Of course?
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  Speaker 1: So when uh, when the mask would go on whatever
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  Speaker 1: was inside that. Like Jim Carey was silly, so he
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  Speaker 1: became a cartoon character. Dorian Gray was evil, so he
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  Speaker 1: became you know, big evil guy. The mask kind of
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  Speaker 1: elevates the personality of the person to this large level.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what losing does to a city where
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota is so passive aggressive, yeah, and so like friendly
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  Speaker 1: not friendly. We become Charlie Brown where you go to
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  Speaker 1: the Browns, like we're constantly tricked by Hope where every season,
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna tell you, whether it's Carson Wentz
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  Speaker 1: or JJ McCarthy, first touchdown that gets thrown on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: against the Browns, a large percentage of our fan base
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  Speaker 1: to be like here we go, and then the first
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  Speaker 1: mistake we make that same large percentage of go, well
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  Speaker 1: it happened again. It happened again. Like we ride, we
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  Speaker 1: ride the wave, whereas like the Browns they stand so
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  Speaker 1: far on shore trash talking the way. Whereas in Buffalo, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, what if I put my emotion through this
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  Speaker 1: table with my body exactly. It's interesting to see how
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  Speaker 1: each city puts the mask on to close the metaphor
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  Speaker 1: thank you it was a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Well you were. I think you're absolutely correct. That metaphor sucked. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I used to have to watch the Vikings with a
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  Speaker 2: certain group of people, and the leader of that group
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  Speaker 2: of people, I'm telling you, if if the kickoff return
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  Speaker 2: wasn't to the twenty yard line, he would go now
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  Speaker 2: game's over. It was super fun.
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  Speaker 1: So I do know what you're talking about the US.
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  Speaker 1: If that is a shot at me, I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: it to be accurate. So I'm really I know that
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  Speaker 1: I'm up and down a lot, but that can't be
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  Speaker 1: about me.
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  Speaker 2: You are up and down in a completely different way.
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  Speaker 2: That's laughable. This was just annoying. This is nine.
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  Speaker 1: That's great. It feels good. Normally the shots are so
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  Speaker 1: veiled that it's hard for me to see through them
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  Speaker 1: to see if they hit my torso or not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's because you have so many unlikable
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  Speaker 2: qualities that you always think a negative comment is about you.
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  Speaker 1: That brother, pot, why don't you lay off the kettle
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  Speaker 1: for a second. Here the Browns and Vikings like they do,
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  Speaker 1: despite having like similar misery, there is also kind of
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  Speaker 1: an intense history. I mean, that's the miracle at the
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  Speaker 1: met game. That's I think because it happened so long
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  Speaker 1: ago and the Browns that we don't play a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean twenty three to nine fourth quarter vikings,
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  Speaker 1: they score a touchdown with two remaining, and the interesting
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  Speaker 1: thing about that game is, I think everybody thinks it
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  Speaker 1: was like it wasn't a just well and then they
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  Speaker 1: got the on side kick. They didn't get the on
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  Speaker 1: side kick, but the Browns get a penalty. They end
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  Speaker 1: up having a punt and that's the old Oki dokie
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  Speaker 1: Hail Mary tip Ahmad Rashad game winning touchdown. Man. That
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  Speaker 1: is a the Browns have been at the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: like we're kind of also the team who ended their
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  Speaker 1: I guess I caught like the Browns were really successful
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  Speaker 1: up through the eighties. That was their kind of first
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  Speaker 1: run and we really put it on them back in
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  Speaker 1: eighty like twenty eight, twenty three and kind of kind
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  Speaker 1: of put them down and signified the beginning of a
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  Speaker 1: streak where the Browns would not win a playoff game
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  Speaker 1: until I believe the eighty six eighty six yep. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then that would lead and now to time hot
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  Speaker 1: back that would lead them the other direction. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is It is fun to do stuff like that
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  Speaker 2: because you have people come in, you know, they come
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  Speaker 2: to Minnesota from other teams that they're fans of, and
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  Speaker 2: they go, well, if you won a super Bowl, and
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  Speaker 2: then you have to pull out obscure facts like no,
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  Speaker 2: but we did make sure the Browns didn't win a
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  Speaker 2: playoff game for six years. Nice?
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  Speaker 1: Try welcome. Let's talk about miracle at the met that
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  Speaker 1: didn't lead to a super Bowl, or the minute Soda
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  Speaker 1: miracle that didn't lead to a super Bowl, or ninety
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  Speaker 1: eight that didn't lead to a super Bowl. I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to answer this, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we should. We need to talk about the game.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we should spend our time on this.
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  Speaker 2: But I.
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  Speaker 1: Wonder when you start talking about close chances, what in
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  Speaker 1: any of the pro sports. Obviously the Red Sox and
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  Speaker 1: obviously the Cubs, but those are both won. Now, yep,
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  Speaker 1: what in terms of not just not winning a title.
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  Speaker 1: It's us and the Bills. But have the Bills had
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  Speaker 1: We have the four loss super Bowls, and we have
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  Speaker 1: the iconic like Gary Anderson kick, you know, we have
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  Speaker 1: the iconic Farv interception. I think we probably have more
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  Speaker 1: chances than it. The Knicks have a few, but they
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  Speaker 1: haven't been success. I don't think you know, John Stark's
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  Speaker 1: almost hitting that three, but I don't think anyone else
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  Speaker 1: in any pro sport is even close.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you look the fan base of the Red
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  Speaker 2: Sox and the Cubs, and they didn't know what to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: do when they won. There was nothing to complain about.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: There was no more like they went to bed confused.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: So I mean we still have that, We still have that.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: The Socks went on such a run. Can I tell
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you something with confidence? If we transition to a dynasty
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: phase the way the Red Sox did, where you're just
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: competitive forever and you win a few twos like, I
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: think I will handle that well. I think I will
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: move from the misery to the unlikable wins too much
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: team like. But I think you're right. Boston and the
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Cubs fans struggled with that. Not me.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: They struggle. I'm not going to struggle either. I have
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: spent so much time in therapy talking about my family,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: but now what I spend it on is how am
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I going to sleep correctly in February after we win
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? That is a lot of my sessions.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely can't agree more. Can I tell you one
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: more thing about Cleveland before we do the game, please?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I do think it's an underrated city. I know it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: had its Hey, the lake caught on fire moments and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it's been a little It was a river.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw it out. It was a river.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: A lot of cities will put on fire.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Works like Eerie didn't like Erie catch on fire.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Well maybe because the river. I don't know. Maybe the
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: crow that was fiction.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think they reference it anyways. Yeah, it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the river. Go ahead, it's the river.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, like a lot of you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: it's it's congratulations to them for saying like, we see
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: your fireworks and we raise you a river on fire.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I love the people that I think some of the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: best comedy crowds. We both do comedy, some of the best. Yeah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I and an interesting I think we were talking about
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: that personality, an interestingly loyal group of people that whether
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the sports built it or not. I remember I was
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: performing at one of the best clubs in America. Hilarity
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that we both love absolutely.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Nick is top shelf.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: The kitchen caught on fire and the power went out
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and we had to finish the show in the dark.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And the second show, they were willing to get people
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: their money back, or they could go stand out in
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the alley and they'd put a speaker out there and
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I would perform out in the alley and Everybody's like, well,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: we wanted to do comedy, and they all watched an
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: alley show. So I think there's a perseverance to the city.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you, did the kitchen really start
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: on fire or is this like Lake Erie? Yeah, it
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: did start on fire, Okay, I do think. Now let
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: me ask you this question. Is Cleveland going to be
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a great comedy city if the Browns win a Super Bowl?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Because right now you know they Cleveland fans. Can they
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: they come to the comedy show and they take a
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: joke and they laugh at themselves and everything is really fun.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: If they win, can they laugh at themselves? Or now
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: are they like, hey, not interested in you making fun
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: of us? We won a Super Bowl.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think we should worry about that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: No, I'm guess what. I haven't talked about that in
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: therapy ever.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: What have you ever been to the Christmas story House there?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: No? I have not, but I know it's there, and
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's interesting because across the street here is
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: a like a really well known dive bar, and that's
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: not in the movie.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: No, correct, it absolutely is not the there's two I didn't.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I was gonna go this year when I did Hilarities.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And then also on the way, did you know that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: on the way, not far from Cleveland, you can go
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: visit the actual Shawshank.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, now, like it was in the northeast.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: The guy who is opening for me, who I like
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a great deal, sure, showed up just late enough that
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: it put us just behind enough that I couldn't go
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to Shawshank and send my dad a video from Shawshank,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: which has scored me some huge sun points. But yeah,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it's it's a good city. But I want him to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: lose Chad. I do too.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: We need this one. We got to have this one.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: The injury thing is getting out of control, and I don't.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I never dislike how dumb I am more than when
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: because you meet these people in the medical field who
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you hear what the injuries do a football player, and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: they go, here's what's happening here. You know, our friend Eric,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: who's a physical therapist. He goes, that's I would guess
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be out this week. And by the way,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: no matter what teams say around the league, he always
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: nails it almost exactly.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll call him before fantasy my lineup because a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: cube by my guy. I don't care about that. I
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: don't care what anybody has to say except him.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Let's get Eric's opinion on this. The O line thing
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: is nuts, I think, yeah, no kidding. I don't know
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: how you deal with that. I know that when you're
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: in Europe it's hard to get someone in there for
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: some extra depth. So with such a well, let me
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: ask before I say that, let me ask you this
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: because I think going into these because the Cleveland just
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: got smoked by Detroit and they took a seven er
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: lead and then it was an avalanche going into that game.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: They you know, fewest yards per game two hundred and four.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And it's not like they were playing nobody's They played
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow in week one. That's a very good team.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I think they had the Ravens and the Packers, so
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that's a very legit schedule. But the Lions, their offense
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: going into the game was ranked second in scoring first
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in EPA per play, and so I was very curious
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to see what happened when those forces met one another,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and it was a crushing by the Lions. So my
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: question to you, as a guy who watches a lot
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of football, do we think that is more about how
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: excellent the Lions are or do we think maybe the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: defense was in his guy, I'm worried that it's the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and this is my bad fan psychology, that it's the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: worst of both. The Lions are so good, which affects
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: us when we have to play them and their defense
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: is still excellent. That's that's the terrible attitude I'm bringing, right.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I think the Browns defense is excellent. Yeah, I really do.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: What Packer game? I don't did they.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Blocked excellent, very fun Packers at a field goal to win,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: they block it, they turn it the other way, they
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: go down, they kick a field goal at the gun,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: they win the game.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I know, I just wanted to hear it again. I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: think that their defense is the real deal. So I
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: think that if we get the right scheme, I think
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that they are beatable. They've been they right, They're proven
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to be beatable.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, And I wonder that brings me
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: back to my point is when you're playing a defense
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that good and you have an O line that is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: dealing with what it's dealing with. I think this is
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: one of those games, Like even though the Browns might
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: not have a great record, I think it's a pretty
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: unique challenge. Yeah, you know, I saw in some publication
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the Vikings were ranked across the board the best coaching
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: staff when you took all the coordinators and the head
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: coach into consideration in the league. And I think that
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily like universal, but a lot of people supported that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And then I think on ESPN last week they were
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they were having the conversation if you were having a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: coach's draft right now, like who would you take first?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: In Greenee's all in on koc So I think this
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: is going to be one of those moments. It would
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: be such a feather in the cap of the team
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and the coachings if you can get this win dealing
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: with the things you're dealing with from an injury standpoint
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: against the thing that they bring in, which is a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: defense that could completely no matter what you're capable of
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: on both sides, they can control the game. If their
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: line is playing really well, and our line is struggling
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: due to injuries. So if you can to your point,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: if you somehow scheme up a way to be really
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: successful this game, and then you can go home, and
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you get into bye week, and you go in three
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and two. Now I want now we get to play.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: The fun game is now we play. We got a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: few matchups in a row where nobody thinks we're gonna win.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: You go into that Egos game, that Ravens game, that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Lions game. I think a lot of people are gonna
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Now you go steal a couple of those. You're right
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: back on a really fun path. So I unique challenge.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But if the coaching staff can pull it off, this
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: one would be who And.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw this out there. I'm gonna throw this
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: out there. I have airline tickets purchased from Minneapolis to London,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Chicago to London, Madison, Wisconsin to London. I am willing
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to go in for a play if you need me,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: no contract needed. I'm just willing to give an offensive
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: lineman a breather. We're gonna need a rollout package at
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that point because I'm just gonna I'm just gonna turn
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: my body and get pummeled. And that's fine, but it's
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: gonna it's going to delay them seconds.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you? Because I think what you're I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: love it, and I've thought about this for you for
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a while now ever since you joined the show. Is
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: this show the path for you to become an asset
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: for the team, like you know in baseball? Like you remember
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: in Major League, one of our favorite movies where they
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: send dorn In to get hit by the pitch.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's me, that's you. That's exactly me. I am
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the Roger dorn for these Minnesota Vikings. Use me however
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: you need to use me.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And here's where I think I need to use you.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I need here's the thing. What's the Toby Key song?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yan't as good as he once was, but you're as
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: good once as he ever was. Come on, brother, I
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: say we get you on a screen, right, because here's
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the thing. Even at your advanced age, you got a
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: quick A to B. Once you get to B, you
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: can't go to C.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of breathing, A lot of breathing at B.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a really hard route to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: be for you. Yeah, but you got there and everybody went, oh,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: he gets to be quick. Let's see what happens next.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I'm thank you.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I stay at B.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: So if we run a sc and I'm not a coach,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to draw stuff up, but I'm saying,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: if we run one of those screens where that center
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: has to pull out, so Chad's playing center, center has
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to pull out, if you can get from A to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: B and you could just sacrifice your body into a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: mild Garrett or one of these linebackers one play, what
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: happens to you. I don't know the consequences to your legs,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: your elbows, your nose. I don't know, but I think
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that's a good story to tell. I think we'd all
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: be very proud of you, and you can get a
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: nice breather. You set up one good play. Minnesota is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Vince Papali. I love it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Here is my pitch to the coaches. I went to
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: a community college in Fergus Falls, and the nose tackle
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: for the team was all conference and one time, during
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a pickup football game after the season, I went up
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: against him. I was center, I was snapping the ball,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: no big deal of shotgun formation, and he chopped my
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: arm at the elbow, and I thought my spine had snapped.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: So I've been in this situation before. I'm happy to
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: do it again for these vikings. You have my number,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: use it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Let's see. Because you remember, when you're young, neither of
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: us actually played football. You play backyard football with your friends,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like, man, I'm like cause I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: think I was a little bigger than some of the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: people we played besides a little hard to tackle, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you get a little so I kind of had this
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: idea like, oh, I can really, I can run, I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: can catch, I'm hard to take down. I'm like one
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: of the better guys out here. And then we played
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: with this guy Ray, who played high school and junior
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: college football. Same thing. And I make a catch and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I'm coming up the sideline, I might do what I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: normally do, which is I'm not going on a bout.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try to run through him, and I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: hit him, and I think I have health problems to
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: day for that collection.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different thing. It's a different violence.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I think he didn't think about it. The moment I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: went and fell to the ground, he just it was
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: gone from his brain forever. But I think it certainly
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: affects me to this day.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Oh there's no quote. You get tackled like that and
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: you go, you know what, put my feet in stirrups.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: The wind has been knocked out of me. And I
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: need about two and a half minutes.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Let's do game prediction. So let's do let's do score prediction. Okay,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: let's do a player prediction, and let's do personal prediction.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, score prediction. I need you to know lately we've
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: been I know, I know, I need you to know
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that I really do think this Cleveland defense is the
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: real deal. So I'm going Vikings ninety five, Brown seventeen.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I love it. I now I have a little different
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: opinion than you do. I am very worried about the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: offensive line. Okay, and so I think with Miles Garrett
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: is so good Schwartz. I believe it's still their coordinaty
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: just he's such a good pressure guy, and with you
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: know a lot of backups that offensive line. So I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: think it's probably one hundred and twenty eight to eleven.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking somewhere in that range they get into eight
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: into three.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I forgot about Miles Garrett. Good call.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: What you got for a player.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: This This is gonna be crazy, but I'm gonna go
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: with Max Brosemer. I'm gonna tell you why he's in
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: because we have such a big lead.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So you're you, you think we're gonna see some Max Brosemer.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna go. I think he's gonna go
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: six for eight over seventy yards.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I love it. I am going to go. I'm gonna go.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I think last week was the start to what we're
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: gonna see this week because Jefferson got a lot of
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: targets played really well. I think we're gonna see the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Addison game. I think we're gonna see I don't know
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: if I'm going two touchdowns from Addison. From a personal
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: prediction standpoint, I think when we come back together to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: do this show again because it's bye week and then
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: we have the Eagles, which the great Blake Wexler, who's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: been on the show a ton of times, he'll be
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: filling in for you because we like to talk to
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: him about Eagles, So you're gonna get a couple of
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: weeks off. I believe that, regardless of how this game
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: turns out, when we come back together for the next
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: time for that show. I think people are going to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: feel the energy and positivity and vibe between us that
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: they felt week one.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. You know I love this Addison call.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: And then I think you're right. Two touchdowns. That sounds
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: he's going to put the jets on. There's no question.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Two touchdowns. That's going to do it for us, everybody
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: on the show. Thanks to Chad for joining. Thanks to
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you guys for listening to our podcast. Well you're here,
• 32:50
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• 32:52
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• 32:55
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• 33:00
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