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Foxworth Friday: NFL Collusion, Dallas Turner Scammed, "The Decision's" Impact · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: available for you now at therighttimebeaumont.com. But first... it is
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  Speaker 1: Foxworth Friday Dominique Foxworth what's going on too much is
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  Speaker 1: going on but I'm excited to be back with Foxworth
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  Speaker 1: Friday a well-timed Foxworth Friday hey brother I ain't gonna
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  Speaker 1: lie man I watched you on television this morning as
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  Speaker 1: we was recording boy y'all scraping the bowl trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what to talk about on TV like my
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  Speaker 1: favorite thing about not having to do this every day
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  Speaker 1: now is I turn on the morning ESPN and I.
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  Speaker 2: Be like damn I know them producers was up all
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  Speaker 2: night trying to figure out how to make a show
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  Speaker 2: out of this.
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  Speaker 3: It's tough, man. But it's also like the thing about
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  Speaker 3: having your show or having a show of your own
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  Speaker 3: is the people who come there also to some degree
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  Speaker 3: are coming there for you. The people who are watching
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  Speaker 3: Get Up is watching for sports. And it's like, ain't
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  Speaker 3: too much going on right now. We got to do
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  Speaker 3: a lot of projecting and predicting and reminiscing. It ain't
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  Speaker 3: the same. It's like if you go off on some
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  Speaker 3: tangent on your show, that is interesting because these people
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  Speaker 3: are here for you. I go on Get Up, it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you better think of some football.
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  Speaker 1: Brother, I saw First Take's lead story was what direction
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  Speaker 1: were the Phoenix Suns going in?
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  Speaker 3: It's tough, man. First Take is even tougher to get
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  Speaker 3: up to because First Take is built on arguing. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: what are we going to argue on that? Which is
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  Speaker 3: why you either got to argue about some old shit
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  Speaker 3: arguing about some future shit well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah well like so get up got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: tricks in it right or conceits you know games and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that that go along with it first take
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  Speaker 1: was like it was we was doing high noon all
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  Speaker 1: we got.
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  Speaker 2: Is us right like like like ain't no oh and
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  Speaker 2: now drop the graphic for.
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  Speaker 1: The snazzy no no no no no it's me and
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  Speaker 1: you partner we figure out how to get.
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  Speaker 3: Through Two of them things. Yes. Fill it up. This
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  Speaker 3: is a test, man. It's for real. It's like the
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  Speaker 3: training level. And they do have a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: in these time of years who don't get a whole
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  Speaker 3: bunch of reps like this. And when you get on like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to find out what you're really about right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's like playing 202 full court.
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  Speaker 3: That's a perfect analogy. It's something I did when I
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  Speaker 3: was 10. I don't know how I end up doing
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  Speaker 3: it now, but somehow I'm still doing it.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me breathe it hard. I mean, one time,
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  Speaker 1: because we and Pablo were doing High Noon, we would
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  Speaker 1: do other shows, right? Try to like get the audience
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  Speaker 1: prepared for the fact that we were going to be
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  Speaker 1: doing this. And we did first take. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: the day we did first take, the opening block was
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  Speaker 1: 18 minutes. An entire 30 minute show. it's 22 minutes
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  Speaker 1: of actual content. It was 17 minutes. You got to
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  Speaker 1: be in shape. You got to start going to the
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  Speaker 1: gym if you're going to do first take every day.
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  Speaker 3: It's nice also to have somebody who you're comfortable with,
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  Speaker 3: which helps. It's real tough when they're trying to fill
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  Speaker 3: out the off-season calendar and somebody you ain't never worked
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  Speaker 3: with before and you got to do 18 minutes with
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  Speaker 3: somebody you ain't worked with before and somebody who also...
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes they're not as on it as you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I've been there. I've been there with someone whom
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  Speaker 1: I liked a great deal, but we're not supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be in the same band.
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  Speaker 3: It's a tough conversation, especially getting on first take. If
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  Speaker 3: you completely undercut the argument in the first three minutes
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  Speaker 3: and you're just looking at each other, making jokes. Then
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  Speaker 3: you got to make arguments for them. But I could
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  Speaker 3: understand if this is what you were saying. I've been
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  Speaker 3: there before where it's like, I get what you're saying,
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  Speaker 3: but I could understand if you said this, then I
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  Speaker 3: would say that.
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  Speaker 1: So say this. So this is what it comes down
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  Speaker 1: to on those days, right? Because in this context that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about, typically everybody there is a substitute.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: However, in real life, Substitute teachers, generally speaking, are all
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  Speaker 1: the same. Or, at the very least, are not trying
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  Speaker 1: to parlay these substitute teaching gigs into a real teaching gig, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody just trying to get that check, press play on
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  Speaker 1: the never ending story. And then we all go on
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  Speaker 1: about our business. Right. But when you the substitute teacher, well,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes they would call me because I was the most
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  Speaker 1: overqualified potential substitute teacher of all time. So all the
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  Speaker 1: shows would be like, hey, man, if you don't have
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  Speaker 1: any days like everybody wanted me to be a substitute teacher,
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  Speaker 1: but they wouldn't give me no shows at that time.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, yo, we'd sure love to have you.
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  Speaker 1: And then I look across and be like. Never again.
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  Speaker 3: It do get tough. It do get tough. But they
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  Speaker 3: slimming down over here now, so ain't too many rookies
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  Speaker 3: out here trying to make the roster.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the other problem that you got right now, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying this, you're not saying this, I'm saying this,
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  Speaker 1: there's a difference between ESPN.com and ESPN TV, right? ESPN.com
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  Speaker 1: has the great Don Vannata and his story that works
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  Speaker 1: off of my old co-host Pablo Torres' reporting of a
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  Speaker 1: 61-page confidential decision. That confidential word, we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: to that. But it was a decision made basically that
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  Speaker 1: said that there was evidence that the NFL engaged in
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  Speaker 1: collusion to try to lower guaranteed money and contracts. The
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson contract being remember that Lamar Jackson was a
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  Speaker 1: free agent and somehow nobody wanted a quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Including the Atlanta fucking Falcons who gave one legged Kirk
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  Speaker 1: Cousins 40 million dollars only to draft his replacement with
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  Speaker 1: a project. But they didn't want Lamar Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: OK, OK.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But this this collusion settlement was there and it was
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  Speaker 1: in favor of the players, though there seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong evidence. The owners, excuse me, is in favor
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  Speaker 1: of the owners. The ultimate decision was in favor of
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  Speaker 1: the owners. But for whatever reason, both sides decided to
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  Speaker 1: keep the agreement from the players. Right. So like they
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  Speaker 1: got news of what happened, but the actual paperwork they
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  Speaker 1: decided to keep away from the players. And Don put
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  Speaker 1: some reporting out about this yesterday, along with a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Let me give it days.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: According to reporting Thursday. That said that the head of
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  Speaker 1: the NFL Players Association, who and you correct me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but the players decided after D. Smith's time
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  Speaker 1: was up that they wanted a guy with more corporate ties. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they got one. And his name is Lloyd Howell. I
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  Speaker 1: have met him. He seems like a nice enough fellow.
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  Speaker 1: He also works as a consultant for the Carlisle Group,
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  Speaker 1: which is a private equity group that is looking in
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  Speaker 1: to investing in NFL teams. And somehow he does both
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  Speaker 1: of these jobs, which seems like a staggering conflict of interest.
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  Speaker 1: But he continues to do both of these jobs. And
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  Speaker 1: I do believe there was a time where this may
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  Speaker 1: have been closer to red letter news on television. But
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  Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing on television anymore. Like we
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  Speaker 1: scrape in the bowl for content. It's right here. This
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  Speaker 1: story is staggering. But. Just butt.
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  Speaker 3: Dominic. Okay. I thought that was a pregnant pause.
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  Speaker 1: Just the butt. Just the big old butt. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: leaving you. You know what I'm saying? That's all it is. Dominic,
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  Speaker 1: you work with the union. You've worked with the NBA player. NBPA.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the NBAPA. It's the NBPA. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know where to begin with my question.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, so I was president of the NFL Players Association.
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  Speaker 3: And like, When I left that or my term ran out,
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  Speaker 3: it's an active player's role. My term ran out. I
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  Speaker 3: was always conscious of what it was like because I
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  Speaker 3: was part of leadership. I was on executive committee in
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  Speaker 3: my second year in the league. So I was either
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  Speaker 3: on executive committee, which is essentially like 10 vice presidents
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  Speaker 3: or the president of the union for more than half
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  Speaker 3: of my career. And so I was heavily involved in
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  Speaker 3: all of that stuff and then went on to continue
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  Speaker 3: doing union work afterwards with the basketball union. And one
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  Speaker 3: thing I always was aware of was how frustrating it
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  Speaker 3: was when outsiders who weren't in the union would like
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  Speaker 3: make comments. So I've always been really conscious of that.
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  Speaker 3: And like never, even through DeMorris's term and Gene Upshaw,
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  Speaker 3: when he was there, I had obviously disagreements when I
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  Speaker 3: worked with both of them and disagreements, things that happened afterwards. And,
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  Speaker 3: I never really talk about it because it's like, this
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  Speaker 3: is the players union, the active players, they got to
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  Speaker 3: take control. And I don't think it really helps if I,
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  Speaker 3: a former president is like, and making my feelings felt
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  Speaker 3: about it. But man, I can't, I can't like, this is,
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  Speaker 3: it's tough, man. It's tough to listen and watch this
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  Speaker 3: because you see different decisions being made that, that, And again,
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  Speaker 3: because of my spot in my relationships, like I hear
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  Speaker 3: about stuff that doesn't get out. And so I shut
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  Speaker 3: my mouth and whatever, like as long as the right
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  Speaker 3: players know if they're going to take action, they're going
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  Speaker 3: to take action. And I've seen players take over the U.
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  Speaker 3: and take lots of action like when Gene died a
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  Speaker 3: few players had to step in to ensure that the
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  Speaker 3: election process was fair like the players aren't afraid they
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  Speaker 3: aren't dumb they aren't lazy and so I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to assume that they are by feeling like they need
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  Speaker 3: me to come out and say something so I suspect
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  Speaker 3: that this is going to lead to the players doing
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  Speaker 3: something about the, these sorts of things, because these, these
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  Speaker 3: allegations are not only allegations, like the confidentiality like this,
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  Speaker 3: these findings are staggering, man. And union, the thing about
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  Speaker 3: unions is man, it's, it's a different, it's different. It's
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  Speaker 3: a different mindset and business experience is one thing. Union
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  Speaker 3: experience is another. And, it's one of those things that
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  Speaker 3: require a different level of commitment and passion. It's not
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  Speaker 3: just like, I want to do a good job. It just,
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  Speaker 3: it's also like, I know my place and I work
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  Speaker 3: for them and everything that I do should be in
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  Speaker 3: service of the members. And that's part of it. So anyway,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to get on a high horse and soapboxy,
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  Speaker 3: but like there are plenty of decisions that were made
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  Speaker 3: that seemed to like, take some power away from the players,
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  Speaker 3: which leads us to this situation where there are things
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  Speaker 3: like this that could be happening that just drive me crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And then the Lloyd stuff is like, prior to him
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  Speaker 3: even being hired, it's like, the stuff that's on his resume, man, like,
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  Speaker 3: it should give you pause before you commit to that,
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  Speaker 3: as if there ain't nobody else out there on Earth
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  Speaker 3: that's qualified.
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  Speaker 1: That is not a union man. Like, I think the
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  Speaker 1: players I understood the logic that you needed somebody who
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  Speaker 1: knew a little bit like was more of a business person. Right. D.
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  Speaker 1: Smith was a U.S. attorney and he's got a book
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  Speaker 1: coming out. I think we're going to have him on
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that book once I get a chance
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  Speaker 1: to read it. But he was a U.S. attorney.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But to me and look, that is while that is
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  Speaker 1: not a business job, that is a job that comes one,
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  Speaker 1: I think, with the ego of a U.S. attorney. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean that negatively, but U.S. attorneys run shit
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  Speaker 1: in their world. Right. But also that's a wheeling and
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  Speaker 1: dealing sort of position. And you've got to know the
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  Speaker 1: politics and everything else. And he is not flawless, certainly.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that is a profile that I think
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  Speaker 1: is in line with being somebody to run a union.
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  Speaker 1: Lloyd is not a union man from meeting him. I
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  Speaker 1: met him during the writer's strike, the WGA strike a
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  Speaker 1: couple of summers ago. And I spoke before Picket Line,
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  Speaker 1: which is a very interesting experience because it gave me
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  Speaker 1: the juxtaposition between Lloyd and Marty, Marty Walsh, who is
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  Speaker 1: now the head of the NHL Players Association. He had
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  Speaker 1: previously been the mayor of Boston and was the secretary
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  Speaker 1: of labor under Joe Biden. And Marty, because he's very
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  Speaker 1: much a Marty guy. he's very he's very bossed and
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  Speaker 1: he is a mighty and mighty oh man i think
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  Speaker 1: i had to talk after.
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  Speaker 2: Mighty yo yo yo that was like going.
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  Speaker 1: On after dmx that's what you're talking about like i
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  Speaker 1: don't even know what to say you know what i'm
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  Speaker 1: saying um That was a union man. You kind of
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  Speaker 1: hear it in the spirit of what it is. And
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  Speaker 1: a union man is typically a fighting man. The NFL
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  Speaker 1: union to me is interesting for a couple of reasons. One,
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  Speaker 1: all these sports unions are interesting because their unions are
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  Speaker 1: rich people.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Or at the very least, well-paid people. I think we'll
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  Speaker 1: put it that way, which means you don't get that
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  Speaker 1: much sympathy. I mean, this country has just turned away
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  Speaker 1: from organized labor completely, but is the limited amount of
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  Speaker 1: sympathy that you get from the people. And like the
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  Speaker 1: compromise deal isn't necessarily that bad. Right. But the NFL
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  Speaker 1: players are interesting because I don't remember the exact quote.
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  Speaker 1: I believe, Dominic, you will know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But it's to paraphrase Gene Upshaw. I fought one time
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  Speaker 1: and I went up that hill and I turned around
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  Speaker 1: and I was by myself. And Upshaw concluded then that
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  Speaker 1: the game was not to fight as much as the
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  Speaker 1: game was just to get as much money for his
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  Speaker 1: guys as he could possibly get. The baseball union was
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  Speaker 1: historically the fighting union. And they won every time. They
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  Speaker 1: stood tall. They had their guys always. And they kept winning.
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  Speaker 1: They kept winning. And then everything went crazy about 20
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  Speaker 1: years ago because of the steroid stuff. At which point,
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  Speaker 1: the players kind of had to make some compromises because
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  Speaker 1: the fight was making them look bad. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that that led to now where the owners stay colluding
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  Speaker 1: on them, stay keeping their money low, everything else. And
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  Speaker 1: so now for the NFL players... You decide to get
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  Speaker 1: a guy to help you do business, but you forget.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like this paperwork, you know, once we,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everybody, I mean, it's up there. Pablo is
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  Speaker 1: definitely uploading. You can check it out. This paperwork shows, man,
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  Speaker 1: a union is still about the fight. Like it is
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  Speaker 1: an antagonistic relationship between labor and management at all times.
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  Speaker 1: You are never, ever partners. Sorry. Would love for it
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  Speaker 1: to be the case, but you're not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think that there are some times that,
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  Speaker 3: The collaboration is important. Like it's obviously there. The thing
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  Speaker 3: about these partners in pro sports is there are no
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  Speaker 3: other partners. Like you're going to have to work together
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  Speaker 3: at some point, but no one's ever going to give
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  Speaker 3: you anything.
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  Speaker 1: And I.
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  Speaker 3: Think the power from anybody who's watched me or listened
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  Speaker 3: to me knows that like the power in the union
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  Speaker 3: comes from the solidarity. And this is frankly a fundamental
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  Speaker 3: lesson in life is nothing is free. the bigger thing
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  Speaker 3: that you want is going to cost you more and more,
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  Speaker 3: and it may not cost you money. It may cost
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  Speaker 3: you in sacrifice and pain. And that was the frustrating part.
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  Speaker 3: One of the more challenging parts about being a union
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  Speaker 3: leader is when your name, you are the union leader. It's, it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's possible that you can lose sight of your role
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  Speaker 3: as an employee, like your executive director, whatever your president,
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  Speaker 3: whatever your executive committee, whatever. Like it's an upside down pyramid.
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  Speaker 3: You work for everyone else and showing up and telling
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  Speaker 3: people what you're going to do or trying to find
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  Speaker 3: the easiest route. Like, no, you work for them. And
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  Speaker 3: it's not only because like fundamentally that's who your, who
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  Speaker 3: your boss is. It's also because that's where your power
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  Speaker 3: comes from. It works to your advantage. If for some
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  Speaker 3: reason you've created a structure where they feel like, which
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  Speaker 3: is part of the challenge when you hire somebody from
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  Speaker 3: the outside and and from an entirely different world is
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  Speaker 3: you're hiring them because you're like, he know what he doing.
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  Speaker 3: He can take care of it. And when you hire
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  Speaker 3: someone like that, he knows what he can, he's doing,
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  Speaker 3: he can take care of it. And you send them
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  Speaker 3: off to do it. When shit gets tough. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: not talking about Lloyd specifically, anyone, when shit gets tough,
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  Speaker 3: you're still fundamentally going to need that core of power
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  Speaker 3: being solidarity. And the guys like it's human nature. That
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  Speaker 3: ain't my plan. That ain't what I want. And then
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  Speaker 3: they like, they disperse like, that's, I think that's like the,
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  Speaker 3: the downfall of any union or the challenge of any
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  Speaker 3: union is forgetting that the executive director and the, and
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  Speaker 3: the president and anyone leadership, like it's based on solidarity.
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  Speaker 3: It is based on a willingness to sacrifice. And that's,
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  Speaker 3: there's no other way around it. There's no other way
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  Speaker 3: to create real leverage other than that. And once you
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  Speaker 3: lose that is you're in a tough spot and it
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  Speaker 3: takes a while to rebuild, like to your point, the,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: baseball union like that was built on and the dynamics
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: are different in different sports but that was built on
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: an understanding that this is the culture of the place
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: this is your place and you have to sacrifice for
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: it it's something that is hard to continue to to
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: perpetuate when you have constant turnover and the dynamics around
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: the situation change it's just not an easy thing to
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: do it's a hard job and i think.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: We've talked about some of this before there's a couple
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: of levels that make football i think very particular number
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: one It's like four different unions in one union.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: There are superstar quarterbacks. They are their own world. There
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: are the other quarterbacks. They are their own world. There
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: are superstar to star caliber players that are their world.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And then it's the biggest group, which is the rest
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: of y'all. You know, and they all have wildly divergent interests.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: You have a salary cap that's in place. But the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks are, again, playing a completely different game in terms
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of how much money they can wind up getting. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: so it's hard to get. I mean, basketball has the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: same issues where the superstars are playing a completely different
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: game than everybody else and trying to find some level
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: of consensus where, you know, among them becomes incredibly difficult.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: The thing that I think is interesting about football, and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I'm curious your thought about this. Football players are conditioned
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: from the very beginning to sacrifice for the team. But
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the team, while it is the roster itself, really goes
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: broader to whatever franchise it is that you're representing, whether
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it be your school, your little AAU program. You know,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it's not AAU, obviously, but, you know, your program, whatever
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: it is. But that is to whom you sacrifice or
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: for whom you sacrifice is that group, which doesn't leave
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of room to go sacrifice for the other group.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: It's like the sacrifice that you make for the franchise.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Now you got to go get your money. because you've
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: made this sacrifice to the franchise. And now that actually
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: puts you at odds with the people with whom you
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: often sacrifice in the name of this other thing to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: where y'all don't have the capacity or willingness in many
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: cases to sacrifice for themselves.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: This is one of the challenges is the the story
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: around professional football is I want to make it to
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the NFL. It's such a powerful story that guys are
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: excited when they get drafted. And I know that doesn't
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: it's it's we all accept it. I know it doesn't
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: sound crazy to you, but the idea that you are
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: celebrating that you have a freedom that's afforded to everyone else,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: you are celebrating that you do not have that. And
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: so it's deeply ingrained that guys want to, and I'm
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: one of these guys. I was one of these guys.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I want to get drafted. I want to play in
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the NFL. It's not I want to belong to the union.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: But all the cool shit about playing in the NFL
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: is a result of the union. That's the thing that
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: is harder to remind guys because it's about control of
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the story, control of the narrative, control of media and influence.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: It's like, I want to be a part of the
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: organization that Gene Upshaw led. I want to have access
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: to millions of dollars. You know why that is possible?
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: It's because a lot of sacrifice that other people made.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: And it's just like, you are more proud to be
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a part of the Vikings than you are to be
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a part of of the union and that's a problem
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: in like messaging that's a problem in communicate that's just
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a it's a hard thing to overcome because then you're
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: like hey but no you know what they don't really
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: want you to have these things the reason why you
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: have it is over here this is what you want
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: to be a part of this is your team and
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: it's tough to you don't you can't just hit a
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: switch on that it's hard to rebuild.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah i don't feel like any other sport does the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: team And normally no other sport. I don't feel like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the team pretends to love you quite like they pretend
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in football. And I guess it's necessary to an extent.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So, for example, when you talk about there being a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: prayer before a NASCAR race. Yes. Part of that is
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Southern culture and politics. The other part is we've got
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: to be going 200 miles an hour. I would like
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to pray. I would like you to pray for me.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: We all kind of need it, right? It's a little different.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I imagine that you need to feel some kind of
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: affection in what it is that you're asking people to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: go out here and do it, even if they say
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they want to do it. When you're asking them to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: do it when they hurt, right? When you're asking them
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to do it at the expense of all these other things,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you got to have this dynamic and feeling of love.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Like there's military culture that's involved in this. There's religious
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: culture that's involved in this. You can't separate how all
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of these things are kind of put together in one
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: place that creates this sort of loyalty or this idea
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that individualism is not appropriate. But we're not even really
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: talking about individualism. We're still talking about group dynamics. We're
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: still talking about the squad. We're just talking about who
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: is your master, them or yourselves, right?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: And another dynamic I would throw in there is the
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: complexity of football. It's not a complicated game, but it's complex.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And when you look at other sports, there's basketball, everybody's
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: doing the same thing. Soccer, everyone's doing the same thing. Baseball,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: you're out there by yourself. The complexity of football is
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: such that I could play in the NFL and Jeff
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Saturday can play in the NFL. And we are reliant
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: on each other. You're not reliant on... people in other sports,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the way that you are in football. And it's also
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: complicated by the fact that we aren't together that often.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: So like you're in your meeting room, I'm in my
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: meeting room, but we know that I got your back
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: and you got mine. And that, that level of, because
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the jobs are so different, I've had bad games that
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: were a result of my safety doing the wrong thing.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I've had great games that was a result of my
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: safety doing the right thing. I've had terrible games because
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: we couldn't get no pressure and I'm covering for four seconds.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I had good games because Suggs won tip the ball.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Give me a pick. Like that type of reliance is
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: not something that you have from down to down or
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: you have from play to play or game to game
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: in any other sport. It's like, You know what? LeBron nice, man.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: We know he can. We're not rebounding well. He can
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: go get those rebounds. I can't block for you. I
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: just can't. It ain't going to happen. I can't rush
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: the passer. And I do think that that adds to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: like these are my guys. These are my people. And
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: you don't have that same dynamic anywhere else. Like the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: communication and the connection just is hard to replicate.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And I think another dynamic I'm curious what you think
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: about is– The union is there in large part to
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: help guys get as much money as they can. Right.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But what guys are really afraid of is losing money.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And so a word stoppage. I talked to when I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: was talking to the guys in 2020 about the the
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: United movement with the college players. We talked about this
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: on your show. And I remember Andrew Cooper gave me
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a great quote. He was like, one thing he learned is.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: You can't really make it happen without a work stoppage.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: You've got to be willing to go out there and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: do a work stoppage. And 1987 really messed up the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: possibility of a work stoppage for the players because they
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: was out there going in front of Home Depot. getting
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: them some dudes, putting them in football suits and people
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: paid and people watched. And then you had guys like,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: like actual quarterbacks or whatever, you know, going out there
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and playing with them like that, that Trump card. And
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think that would work now, by the way.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I think it might work for a week, but I.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Don't, we saw a replacement reps. We saw how that went.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I forgot about the replacement reps.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: They tried that shit with them. I was like, nah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: we ain't gonna be able to do that. And they're
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: confused in the back of the end zone. Just flabbergasted
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: by a football play.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I can't believe they thought, the regular refs ain't that
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: good already.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: It's like, let's get the second ones.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Like, the reason why semi-pro football, and I'm calling the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: new USFL, I'm calling the XFL, all of those, they
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: won't work because there are not enough quarterbacks to go around.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Like, you see what happens in an NFL game when
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you go to any backup. You see what it is.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: These cats can't even get those jobs.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: I think you're right. Your point about losing money is
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: a big one because striking when you're not going to
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: make $ 30, 000 is different than striking when you're going to
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: miss out on $ 15 million. I understand that. That makes sense.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: The other thing that people who haven't been in unions
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: misunderstand is they think the job of leading a union
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: or being a part of the union, particularly leading it,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: is about interim negotiations. It's like, who's the best negotiator?
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Negotiations is not like what you see in the movies.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: It's not like capably playing hardball or doing some tricky
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: play with words to dupe somebody. Negotiations is years ahead
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: of time. It's creating leverage and power. And that leverage
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: and power takes time to create and requires connection. And
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I think that's why politicians, I think probably when they
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: did the search for Lloyd's replacement, they called and asked
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: me if I had recommendations for the types of people
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: to look for outside of athletes. I was like, yeah,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: like politicians are the type of people that pound the
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: pavement and are constantly campaigning. Like you got to go
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: to see these guys. You got to be accessible to
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: these guys and you have to be responsive to them.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: And it has to be over decades or at least years.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: before they feel like this is mine. And then when
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: they feel like this is mine, you then engender the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: type of commitment that we talking about, where a guy
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: will tear a damn ligament and continue playing. Like it's
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: in these guys. Obviously, they're capable of it. They demonstrate
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: it for free. Frankly, like it's not going to change
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the money that they're making. They demonstrate it week in
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: and week out. they just don't feel that connection to
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the union, which is sad because there was a time
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: when it was stronger. Maybe there was never a time
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: when it was, when it was like it was before
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: they had, when the reserve clause was around and before
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: they had free agency, free agency changed some things, but
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: it was a lot stronger at one point. And it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: obviously it's depressing for someone who like, I've never cared
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: about anything other than playing football in unions, like legitimately
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: deep in my heart. And it's, It makes me sick, man.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: It makes me sick to see that we're in a
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: situation where we got, right now, three stories in a
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: matter of a couple months. That's just, frankly, embarrassing.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to make one point before we
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: go on this break that I think people need to
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: remember about the ability to stand tall in those moments.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Some significant portion of the league, I don't think, it
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: might be 50%, but that feels a little high, man,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: but a lot of, a big part of this league,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a plurality of it is making the medal. And let's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: call it, I don't know what the minimum is now,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: but let's just throw it out there and call it $ 600, 000.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: $ 600, 000 a year is a lot of money if you've
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: been making money and get to the point of that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: But if you are 24 years old, 25 years old,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and you've just been making this a couple of years,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking. Well, you can stack up your... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, whatever. Yeah, yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you're right. You're right. Nobody's saying you're wrong, right? You
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: can stack and be ready for this. But no, that's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: not how it goes.
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• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Cats can't always stand tall, no telling how many bills
• 29:10
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  Speaker 1: uh dominic i do want to talk about this right
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  Speaker 1: every year where the new round of nba extensions come
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  Speaker 1: and people start seeing those giant numbers and they can't
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  Speaker 1: believe that for example devin booker can get 75 million
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  Speaker 1: dollars or something like that in a season they can't
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  Speaker 1: believe that chet holmgren gets the five-year damn near 250
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  Speaker 1: million dollar extension everybody gets so shocked every single time
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  Speaker 1: and they're not doing it out loud this time but
• 33:42
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  Speaker 3: That is that's a traditional situation man we always get
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  Speaker 3: mad because we see their numbers and they're fully guaranteed
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  Speaker 3: and they are so enormous and we like but y'all
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  Speaker 3: like our game more why we don't got those numbers
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  Speaker 3: there's a number of dynamics that impact the way that
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  Speaker 3: it happens but yeah they ain't doing it yet but
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  Speaker 3: they gonna do it they deserve to go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Well I mean look it's the reason why they can
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  Speaker 2: do that because I just told you they'll go to
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  Speaker 2: Home Depot.
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  Speaker 1: And put some dudes in some stealer suits and they'll
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: treat them like he Jack Lambert it's.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Gonna be the same damn thing.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Like it is the dynamics of it are so fascinating
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: though right because it's 15 guys on a roster That's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a major part of it. I think the part that
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: is undersold in this discussion, they play 82 games. That's
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: 82 opportunities to sell tickets, right? That's 82 opportunities to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: be on television. And yes, football has bigger stadiums and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: they have bigger numbers when they go. But the reason
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: baseball players make all this money is They sell 162
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  Speaker 1: episodes per team of their television show, right? That's where
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: it winds up going. That being said, Devin Booker's getting
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: $ 75 million a year. You wonder why LeBron ain't taking
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a penny less than the max every time out.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Your television show analogy, it's a perfect one because I
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: would say that their television show also requires stars. in
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: a way that like professional football is closer to a
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: reality show. And that is like, all right, we are
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: here for the competition. Whereas a lot of times in basketball,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: we hear, I mean, you see it reflected in the
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: way that the ratings are tied to the games. Like
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: we will watch anybody play football. We'll watch the bad
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: teams play. They put up a playoff level numbers for
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: other sports to watch two bad teams play. And basketball,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: it's not like that at all. It's like, no, ain't
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: nobody even going to watch it if you put some garbage.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: But I think the football players still have an argument
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: because the revenue generally dwarfs that. Understanding all that doesn't matter.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: It's like what you can leverage for. And the baseball
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: conversation is always an interesting one because it's, I guess,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: the last remaining completely uncapped sport. But what's happened with
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: baseball seems like We're not going in a direction where
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: more revenue is going to the players.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: No, it's been dropping.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: So while we keep getting excited about how huge these
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: contracts are, they're getting it off somebody's ass. The percentage
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: of revenue is going down, going to the players.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Well, the trade of an uncapped sport is an unfloored sport.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: And that is the one thing that the union of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: football in particular has done a great job on is
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: raising the floor. Right now, granted, teams will consistently go
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: under the floor. But once you do, you then have
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to write a check in that money. The teams have
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the right checks and then that money gets dispersed to
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the players. But yeah, that's the problem with baseball. They'd
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: be over there cheating, boy. Who would have owners be
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: over there cheating? And the people don't care because they
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: like you getting paid to play a kid's game. And look,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you might say baseball is a kid's game. That's fine.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: You want to say basketball is a kid's game. That's fine.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: But ain't nobody confused in playing football with throwing jacks.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody talking about football
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: like it's hopscotch. Who the fuck came up with that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: stupid shit in the first place? You get paid to
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: play a kid's game. I tell you who came up
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: with that. Haters. Haters is who came up with that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: And who cares what you get paid to do, whether
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: it's a kid's game or not. You like it. It's valuable.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I'm valuable. Give me my money. Call it what you
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: want to call it. That to me is disrespectful. And
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: just because you enjoy your job doesn't mean that you
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: shouldn't get fairly compensated for it. But I think the
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: baseball union is headed for, or at least because they
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: can play the long game, the owners, I think they
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: probably are like trying to create a divide. and trying
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: to fracture the union and eventually institute a salary cap
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: because the divide that they're creating now to the guys
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: at the bottom is getting bigger and bigger with the
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: bigger contracts. And then those guys are cycling out at
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: some point, the guys at the bottom are going to
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: be like, Hey, Give us a damn floor. And then
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: the owner's going to be like, oh, you want a floor,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: do you? If you got a floor, you know what
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you need above that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Floor, right?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, who said that?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Who said that?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Which one of y'all said that?
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Right here? Right here?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Stand up, young man. What was your name? That was
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a great idea. Who else thinks that's a great idea?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: And then you look around, there's a bunch.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Of guys who are right next to him like, yeah,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: these numbers ain't right. But ultimately.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And then Shohei Ohtani back there like, hey, I speak English, okay?
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: All of a sudden. I don't need no interpreter.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: He's going to be on that motherfucking side of like J.P. Morgan.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Like E.F.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Hutton.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: But that's where the lottery.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the lottery mindset prevails you know it's like everybody think
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: they're gonna hit the lottery that's because no one i
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: while we did um raise the floor no one in
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: those conversations is raising the floor for themselves you're like
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: let me get this floor for these guys man because
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: i would be nice i'm gonna hit that i'm gonna
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: hit that contract nobody is considering for them for themselves
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: so that's another challenge for the future that that both
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: sides want to create.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: What a time man like i didn't i just find
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: myself all the way around on the what a time
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: i want to throw something out here that i just
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: saw here and thought about and i hadn't asked you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: about it and like I'm not always the best at empathy.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I think I'm generally fairly good, but I admit I'm
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: not always that good. What you think about old buddy
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: for the Vikings who took a couple phone calls from
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the bank and he thought he was talking to the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: bank and somebody scammed him out of $ 240, 000 because he
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: was wiring money.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: You can have sympathy without having empathy.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and hold on. Let me get the people caught up, right?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: This is from ESPN.com. Quote, per the affidavit, and the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: player's name is, sorry, I got to do the C button,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner. I'm pretty sure he played it out about.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Per the affidavit, someone impersonating a banker at JPMorgan Chase
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: called Turner on February 19th and claimed, quote, and quote,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: claimed someone was attempting to impersonate Turner at a Chase
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: branch in Arizona and presented two copies of ID to
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: execute a wire transfer. The caller instructed Turner to transfer
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: money to two separate businesses to prevent the attempted theft.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Turner then went to two Chase branches to transfer $ 120, 000
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: each to Island Food Truck LLC and CNLFL LLC. Hold on,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: hold on. Turner, who's 22, later realized, quote, he may
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: have been a victim of a fraud scam after discussing
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the matter with a family member, according to the affidavit,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and I want to interview with that family member.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I got to say this, and I get why it's
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: hard to be empathetic or sympathetic in that situation. I
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: have not gotten scammed like that. However, I've gotten pretty
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: close in the past because what happens is, fortunately, I
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: made the calls beforehand. What happens is, they send you
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: in to fight or flight. It's like, if you get
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: a credit, a call that feels credible or a letter
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: or something feels credible that someone is trying to, you're like, Oh,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I got to stop this right now. What do I
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: need to do? What do I need to do? Like
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I could see that happening. So I don't have as
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: much trouble or so in empathy for my guy, but.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Well, well, well, well, number one, I think he needs
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to file a lawsuit against whatever his cell phone provider is.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Cause I would like to think the scam likely would, uh,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: would pick that one up. Right. Like I would like
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: to think that part. I'm just going to throw this
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: out here because as I talk about it, I do
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: develop more empathy and sympathy for the other.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: But when they said that you should send the money
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: to Island Food Truck LLC.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go ahead and say that they probably
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: didn't say that. They probably said, wire it to this number.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I understand you. Counterpoint, because I've had to do some
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: wiring lately.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to put in the name of it, yeah.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Or when they put the number in, a name will
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: come back. And they're like, so you want to send
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: this to Island Food Truck LLC?
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah!
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: That's how I'm going to keep my money safe.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. Oh, no.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And to be fair, he has gotten back some of
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the money.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: $ 2, 500.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: $ 2, 500.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: It's a start.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: What is that $ 2, 500 is what I want to know.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: That $ 2, 500 that he got back, who did he get
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: it from and what is it?
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing that's all that was left in the accounts
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: that they could pull back. I don't know, man.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Damn, man. That's a tough break, brother. And look, I
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: be talking about this. It's that time of year we
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: be scraping the bowl for content. I hope we don't
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: even make a short video out of this because I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: don't want to embarrass that man no further. And I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: always say I be looking forward to somebody getting arrested.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: This is worse. Like, this is about as bad as
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that time. You remember when that lady ran that game
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: on Dirk that time? I have forgotten that. That was
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: just early enough in the social media era. But when
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: he got dirt, and for those of you who don't
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: look it up, that boy got dirt and he got dirt.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: This is how we found out what dirt like, by
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: This was the first indication. And she had already tried.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I think she tried to steal some jewelry from Tony Banks.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: But there go Tony Banks. Banks can play. There goes
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Tony Banks in this story, right?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: He can play.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: But She called Dirk Nowitzki and said, oh, wrong number.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I was trying to call my dad. Hey, what's your name?
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And it went from there.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: That's a tough one, Dirk. That's a tough one.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Yo, yo. And then, by the way, he balled in
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the playoffs after that. I developed a whole new respect
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: for Dirk. He had been struggling in a couple of
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: playoffs before that, and then he brought the pain. They lost,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: but he still did it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I can't, yeah, I can't. That is the place where
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I feel like most of us, particularly young ones, are susceptible. Like, yeah,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that could get you. I had a conversation with one
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: of my homeboys a couple days ago who broke up
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: with his girl he was with for a long time.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: And he was saying, like, all the stuff, all the
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: signs that he had before. And he was like, I
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: just couldn't see him. And he was like, now that
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I'm far enough away, I was stupid. It was so
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: obvious that she was up to something, but I was
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: just stupid because I was so close and I was
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: thinking the wrong way. Like, yeah, he was blinded by
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: love and some other things. Yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying she hit him with the what's
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: your name?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Like, imagine your luck. I was trying to call my
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: brother and it turned out on the other.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: It was Dirk Nabinsky. Also, the confidence you got to
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: have in whatever it is you bring it to be like, watch.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: This gonna work. And they made it work. And then
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: it was Dirk's people around him that finally shut the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: party down because Dirk was so down. And brother, I'm
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: afraid to know some of the things that were said
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: in German about this young lady and the game that
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: she was running.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: The idea that, what's your name? I mean, I'm assuming
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: that they did the scatter shot. I assume that 500
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: players got that same text. Like, it's no way that
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: they was like, hey, what's your name? And it actually worked.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Maybe.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, sorry.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: You remember that time, by the way, that Eli Manning
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: gave game-worn jerseys to people that hadn't been worn in
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: no games?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I forgot about that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Y'all, they made that one go away fast. I was like, hey,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: y'all ain't fooling me on this one.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Y'all, I don't know.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Who exactly was in on this game. And look, I
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: feel like they just threw that bitch down in the
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: grass and stepped on it a couple of times.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: But they made that story go away immediately.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Power and influence. I was just thinking about the points
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: that you were making about business earlier and how it
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: hadn't really hit me until now. It's like I might
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: have been the only person to go to Harvard Business
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: School and come out like, I don't really want to
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: do this. like the only person who went in there
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: and got a look on the inside and came out
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: like that ain't for.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Me no you're not the only person it can happen
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: like I remember when I was taking NBA classes and
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I was reading this book that Shauna Sale had written
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: about wrestling called Sex Lies and Headlocks and it had
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: a picture of Vince McMahon on the cover and this
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: man who ain't speak that much English came up to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: me I'm not going to do an impression of him
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: because there's no way to do it without sounding racist
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and he was like Vince McMahon I love him I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: said what he's like I love him he is such
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a great promoter and even if he was a great
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: promoter I had never heard the idea that somebody would
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: speak of Vince McMahon with affection was like oh man
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I could never do this world oh no no no
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I mean when I.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Had gone through the we've had this conversation for the
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: CBA negotiations it was like when it hit me that
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: like that people who were billionaires weren't geniuses. And then
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I was like locked in like, man, I'm gonna go
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: to business school and I'm gonna turn this money into
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Then I went
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: there and started talking to people and read more about
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: this stuff and, and spent one year in between doing
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: venture capital work and was like, I can't sleep at night.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: This shit make me sick. Like I gotta do something
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: other than this. Cause I, I ain't, I don't want
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: it that bad to have to like I'm sure like
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: not everywhere. There are plenty of ethical people in business,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sure. But it just felt like it was a
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: more ruthless world to succeed in than one that I
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: had just come from, because at least we was honest
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: with each other. I want your job. I want your job.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to try to beat you for it. I'm
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: going to try to hurt you on this next play.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to throw you off the field. All right.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: If you can do it, you win. There was no like,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: let me try to tilt the rules in my favor
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: and secretly do like that. Too many of them win
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and then they write the story like they didn't do
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: the bullshit and then we all eat it up.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I'll hit you with one last thing. Our industry doesn't
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: have the money to do retrospective stuff like they used to.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: But this week was 15 years since the decision. I
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: don't know if we could possibly explain to people because
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: that 2010 is the combination of like the beginning of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: social media. So you had the effects it had to
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: make things bubble, but still monoculture in a sense, right?
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: That night in totality, the idea of that whole thing,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: It'll never be like that again. That led to me
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the four most interesting years that the NBA has ever
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: given us, the LeBron and Miami years. mind-blowing mind-blowing but
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: i really do look back on it and i was
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: a big proponent of the decision i was a big
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: proponent of lebron and still am in a lot of
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: ways about that but oh my god what a terrible
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: idea that was it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Like it wasn't a it was i see where they
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: were coming from right but in retrospect i'm like davis
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: third had the right point oh there's 30 teams and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: only one of them's gonna be happy.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Yep yep i mean i i i like you like
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: it was a proponent and am a proponent. But I
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: imagine that they would have done things slightly differently if
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: they had the chance to do it. But you're right.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I think I watched all of their regular season games.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I don't remember the last time I've watched one team's
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: entire regular season. I feel like I watched all 82.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: I was on my honeymoon in the Bahamas to watch Decision.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: And I was like, nah, yeah, we're going to have
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: to take a break from this meal. And walk over
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: to the bar because they was playing it at the
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Bahamian Bar and see where LeBron go go.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I was at the house by myself. And I remember
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I knew I was lit and I had to stop
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: tweeting because it was John Barry, Stuart Scott, Michael Will Bond,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and Chris Broussard. And I sent a tweet. I think
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I sent it. I may not have sent it. But
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: either way, at the very least, I wanted to send
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: a tweet that said, They need to put a paper
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: bag on the table. And I realized right then and
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: there that I needed to tap out. I was not capable.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I was so crunked up about the decision.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: And so crunked up off of what I was crunking
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: that I needed to fall back.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I needed to fall back. That night, my man, Terry.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Terry worked for the... Darren worked for the news station
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: in Cleveland, right? And he was calling me from the streets,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and I would just hear the people in the background
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: as he's walking down the street. Because, you know, TV news,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: he's driving the van. They got the cameras. Hey, fuck LeBron!
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, fuck!
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just screaming all this. He said he was involved.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: This was the funniest thing. Some dude in the bar
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: was like, and I quote, I always knew he was
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: a bitch. He was a bitch in high school and
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: he a bitch now. That is one of the meanest
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: places in the world, let us keep in mind, with
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: legitimate reason to be upset. And he gave it to them.
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  Speaker 3: Man, then came back and they loved him.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: A lot of people loved him. I've got one Cleveland
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Fred by good buddy Russ in North Carolina. Nothing changed.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: really happy to cast what a championship hey to lebron
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  Speaker 1: like he always did hey man like they i think
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of them were happy about the championship and
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: they clap about lebron but don't think for a second
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: that they did not stop hating him yeah that's reasonable
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: they just made the trade they just made the trade
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: because look you ever been to cleveland not for a
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: game yeah I went up there to talk to Jake
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Paul and that's the story for the memoir that's all
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I will say about Cleveland is this and this is
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: a true story and I hope this has been rectified
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I stayed at the double tree and it ain't had
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: no cookies And they said they hadn't had cookies for
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: That's what you, that's who you are. That's what you do.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: That's not what I was expecting. It's like the, as
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: a measurement of the city's prosperity is the double treat test.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: We got to introduce that.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Well, this was, this was after the airport test.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't think you've been there. Like, like the, the,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the airport test. It's rough. Like Cleveland's airport made me
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: think of something that I think about whenever I go overseas,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: which is how much do paint costs here? Cause it
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: feels like a couple, a couple of coats of paint
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: could really change the way people look at this place.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: This seems like a really easy solution.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Just a couple of coats.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I'm over there in Portugal and I'm like, damn, ain't
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: nobody got no paint.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Nobody over here got no paint.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Like, what?
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: How much does a can of paint cost here?
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: I see all.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: These people out here smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee at
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: two o'clock in the afternoon. Clearly they could use something
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just get a couple rolls on there, man. It'll
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: change the way things look, man. Change the way you feel.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: It might make people happier.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Like when we see ancient ruins, we forget that before
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: they become ancient ruins, they are new ruins, right?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: And I'm watching in Portugal, like as things are becoming
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: ancient ruins every day. And then I rode around Cleveland.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I saw the exact same thing. One day some archaeologists
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: go come through and be like, damn, what was they
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: doing over here? Like it appears that they used to
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: build things. Make products. The men work with their hands.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't stay in Cleveland long when I was there.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I was just passing through, but I did not take
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: a stop at the airport. But I've told you when
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I was in Detroit, I was surprised. It was like,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: maybe I was in the right areas. Downtown Detroit was popping, man.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: It was nice. Except for the guy that I saw
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: standing on the corner in a bulletproof vest holding a
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: nine millimeter in his hand with no shirt on. The
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: element was there. Everything else, I'm like, this is wonderful.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: People talking bad about Detroit.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: This is fantastic.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: That's all that guys. Oh, okay.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: So I rode around Detroit with Vinny. I went up
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: to Ann Arbor or something. Vinny came and, you know, Mr. Detroit, right?
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Vinny came and schooled me up. And what I felt
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: about Detroit was where Detroit was nice, Detroit was nice.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Where Detroit was not nice, there was literally nothing there.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Like them riots was like 60 years ago. It's like
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Miami's got spots like that, too, for when they had
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: their riots in the 80s. And the white folks was like,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I bet you'll learn your lesson.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: We ain't going to fix that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we ain't going to fix nothing. Y'all just going
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to be here. Ugh.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Those particular places, man, it's tough. Because you're right, Detroit,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: I drove through some of those places that were not great,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: which is where we saw the guy with the tactical
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: vest and three guns. His arms count as two. It
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: was not, because he was ripped too. It was not
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: pleasant going through there. And then they have like uniquely
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: named guys things that like a lot of z's and
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: x's in the spellings of regular stores it's like man
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: which which y'all are man i don't appreciate i feel
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: it i feel.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Disrespected what can i say dominique they can't all be baltimore.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: A wonderful magical place hey go to bwi i got
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: the airport got respect man the airport got respect for
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: itself damn it it's safe that i live in dc
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: now Two airports with respect for themselves. A 50 mile radius.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: We got three airports that got a fresh coat on them.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Fresh coats everywhere. You won't find no cracking or piss.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Fresh coats. You sound like you selling shit in the
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: parking lot. Fresh coats! Fresh coats!
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: We buying it here too, so we good.
• 57:21
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