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Ep. 245: Luke Combs on the B-Side of Hunting · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We're on a I'm tempted to say we're on Luke
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  Speaker 1: colmes Is tour bus, but that's not accurate. We're on
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  Speaker 1: the tour bus of Luke Colms's band. Correct, we are.
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  Speaker 1: We are on the band's bus and they sleep in
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  Speaker 1: little submarine Mariner bums. Yeah, which is also great because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this is a prime opportunity to tell
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  Speaker 1: them that I've just destroyed their bus. They're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: the floor feels a little bit right now as they're
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  Speaker 1: listening to this. What has he done to our bus?
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  Speaker 1: They won't know until shows start again. Is little like
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  Speaker 1: a little funny prank in each bunk that you can't
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  Speaker 1: see here. But we have a lot of great mediator
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  Speaker 1: stickers and I'm we'll soon be finding out which bunk
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  Speaker 1: my vegan band members sleeps in. And I'll probably just
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  Speaker 1: pop this right above it so that every night when
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  Speaker 1: he goes to sleep, he'll be looking at it. Uh
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  Speaker 1: okay um starting with because that was that was the beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: lovely Luke Holms wanta do introsset tone and go as
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  Speaker 1: though dealing poker, honest pitelis just regularly here again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm read isable younger brother of the brothers. H I'm
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  Speaker 1: dan Isbell and I'm a member of the Brothers. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm also a member of the Fabbian Eagles, the Eagle
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  Speaker 1: Fabian Sea. And then Luke Torque, Luke Torque, Yeah, luketical
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  Speaker 1: to whose whose new nickname is just it's just torqu
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  Speaker 1: It's it's kind of hard having to Luke's playing a
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  Speaker 1: little Torque. Yeah, so just Torque now, I guess we
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  Speaker 1: had to figure out. Like I originally, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh man, I was like really fighting to be the Luke,
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  Speaker 1: and then torqu came along and I was like, damn dude,
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  Speaker 1: I wish I was like fucking reciprocating saw or something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like axe or something cool like that. But
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  Speaker 1: now I'm not horsepower maybe yeah, horsepower HP. Yeah. The
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  Speaker 1: Isabel Isabel Brothers are from born in Tennessee, well born
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  Speaker 1: in born in Jackson, but from Savannah, Tennessee, west West Tennessee. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right where The easiest way to tell is right where Mississippi,
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  Speaker 1: Alabama and Tennessee meets with a county above that in
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  Speaker 1: savannahs the county seat. But we spent the majority of
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  Speaker 1: our lives in Mississippi. Oh so okay, So that's all
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to sort out. Yeah, I thought I
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  Speaker 1: assumed you were born there, well, grandparents lived there. I
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  Speaker 1: went to Mississippi state. My band like my my my
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  Speaker 1: bandmates say country Dan is from Mississippi in the sophisticated Dan, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: from Tennessee. I guess, tell uh, tell people what you
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  Speaker 1: do for a living. So Read and I are both
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  Speaker 1: staff songwriters at a couple of different polishing companies, and
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  Speaker 1: we literally write songs in hopes that artists cut them
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  Speaker 1: on records and then maybe singles. That's kind of what
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  Speaker 1: we do. Yeah, yeah, I right, Dan rites for Sony
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  Speaker 1: and I actually right, Luke and one of our buddies,
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Singleton, started a publishing company, and I did a
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  Speaker 1: joint venture with his company and a company called Big
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  Speaker 1: Machine Publishing, And yeah, we We write four or five
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  Speaker 1: times a week with different either co writers or artists
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  Speaker 1: and and go in with ideas, licks, melodies, whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: try to create a three minute product that an artist,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like Luke or somebody else will will dig
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  Speaker 1: and can relate to and throw it on the red
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully throw it on the radio. So when you're
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  Speaker 1: doing this, I mean you're just you get together, like
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  Speaker 1: like in the words John Pryan, ten am on a
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  Speaker 1: Monday morning just about back then it was that you
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  Speaker 1: have to go to eleven am on a Monday morning
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  Speaker 1: in like an office early start. I mean, we will
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  Speaker 1: now write a song pretty much pretty much. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like that. Weirdly enough, is it? Is it like
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  Speaker 1: like full on music studio. You just kind of like
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  Speaker 1: every each publishing house is different. So like we're Dan's
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  Speaker 1: at Sony A TV. They have actually two buildings. One
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  Speaker 1: it's called the fire hall, which is an old fire
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  Speaker 1: station that they bought. There's a couple of rooms in
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  Speaker 1: there that's kind of the vibe of your spots here.
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  Speaker 1: And then they have their office that's across the parking lot,
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  Speaker 1: which is like two story, newer looking office building where
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  Speaker 1: the track guys track guys, but the executives are in there.
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  Speaker 1: They work in that same building, and then there are
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  Speaker 1: rooms provided. But it can and that's where you're going
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  Speaker 1: into do it. It can be sterile, like going to
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  Speaker 1: a college classroom. It can be very sterile. And because
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  Speaker 1: it feels like you're working from a cubicle up there,
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  Speaker 1: like it's very very plain. Man. I mean, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you're not gonna be in your job or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna walk in inspired every day regardless of
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  Speaker 1: where you're doing it. But but you can be inspired
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  Speaker 1: in other places and bring that kind of into the
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  Speaker 1: room and go, hey, man, my wife told me to
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  Speaker 1: wash the dishes this morning, and I got to thinking
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  Speaker 1: that's a pretty decent hook. I should wash the car,
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  Speaker 1: wash the dishes. But you can't wash my love away
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  Speaker 1: from you or whatever really quick because you're just sitting
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  Speaker 1: here in a tour bus right now. No. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying it can be like a somewhat sterile environment.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, when you're in your head
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  Speaker 1: and it's you're using the majority of your imgination anyway,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of just a central meeting place to to
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  Speaker 1: get it done, you know what I mean. So if
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  Speaker 1: you want to break for lunch, you can walk outside
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  Speaker 1: and you're right there. The publisher that you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: get the song too is literally across the parking lot
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  Speaker 1: um and it's just kind of a central meeting place
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  Speaker 1: for I mean, if I walked into the place and
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  Speaker 1: it was just a bunch of John Prime posters and
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  Speaker 1: Willie Nelson's and they were incense burning in the corner,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I wud be any more inspired
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  Speaker 1: than I am when I'm in a point which totally
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  Speaker 1: had that that rooms in Nashville somewhere, like there's a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of and if you were in that room, you
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  Speaker 1: beat you on. God, I wish youd get these freaking
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  Speaker 1: pictures will the Nelson off this wall so I could think, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's no rhyme or reason to how you do it,
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  Speaker 1: you know you just as long as you ended end
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  Speaker 1: the product that everybody likes and agrees with. Man, you
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  Speaker 1: write one in this this bus, You've written We've written
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  Speaker 1: songs on you know, outside, We've written songs on the porch,
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  Speaker 1: just kind of wherever you feel like doing it. Do
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  Speaker 1: you guys have an obligation to how many songs you're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to write per or whatever. Twelve whole songs a
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  Speaker 1: year is a standard contract, which sent doesn't sound like
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  Speaker 1: very much, but when you're splitting them up three ways,
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  Speaker 1: in four ways and two ways, it counts as the
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  Speaker 1: fourth of a song or half of a song. You
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  Speaker 1: so contractually within the year you're supposed to write twelve.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the normal twelve full quote unquote. But we're
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  Speaker 1: right way, I mean, yeah, we all all three of us. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm amazed at the efficiency when you guys say that
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  Speaker 1: you guys can in four or five hours start to
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  Speaker 1: finish and have a song. I would say, probably, what Luke,
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  Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time that's the case. But
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  Speaker 1: there is that weird where you go, Man, my brain
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  Speaker 1: is absolute mush, my dogs pissing all over everything in
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  Speaker 1: the house. At this point, kids, it cool if we
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  Speaker 1: break and maybe come back and finish this up another
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  Speaker 1: Because some days, dude, especially in like a late like
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  Speaker 1: a Friday, when you're just like smoked, after sitting in
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  Speaker 1: a room trying to make word a drum for forty hours,
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  Speaker 1: at this point, you may just cut it half, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, I already, like you don't
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  Speaker 1: have a clear direction of where that second verse is
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  Speaker 1: gonna go or something like that. You say, Hey, maybe
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  Speaker 1: we just sit on this for a day, and if
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot of big dudes like don't a
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  Speaker 1: lot of big time guys aren't doing Fridays even now,
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of guys that are getting because like,
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  Speaker 1: the quality of who you're writing with can be as
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  Speaker 1: important as right in that extra day. You know, if
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  Speaker 1: you're writing four days a week with you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you write with Eric Church and then you write with
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  Speaker 1: whoever you know, big time artist writer guys, that's different
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  Speaker 1: than saying I gotta go in and write with five
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  Speaker 1: people that I don't know, aren't proven or whatever. That's tougher.
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  Speaker 1: That's tougher in my opinion, to do. So the bigger
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  Speaker 1: guys are they're doing less less quote unquote work, but
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  Speaker 1: they're just they have a lot more avenues to success
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  Speaker 1: for that potential song. You know, Um, what is the
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  Speaker 1: is part of me? You're saying this, but hand out
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  Speaker 1: you guys. See, I know there's a lot of mystique
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  Speaker 1: and creating stuff, but it seems like it's a something
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  Speaker 1: that I thought used to kind of occur in people's
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  Speaker 1: minds are like on their back porch or whatever, like
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  Speaker 1: realizing that it's formalized. Is that normal for Is that
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  Speaker 1: normal for other musical genres where you're like, like are
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  Speaker 1: making it's like you're making a product. I think you
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  Speaker 1: would be shocked. I think what I'm trying to say
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  Speaker 1: is that our genre is the most creative. Absolutely, Like
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  Speaker 1: you pop out there, you pop out to l anybody,
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  Speaker 1: and it is like an assembly line. There's fourteen guys
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  Speaker 1: on one song, three guys in a separate room working
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  Speaker 1: on lyrics, three guys in a separate room right on
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  Speaker 1: the track, three guys in a separate room doing the create,
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  Speaker 1: trying to create a signature lick for this thing. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, after all that's gone, that's nine dudes. They
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  Speaker 1: may decide that sampling an old queen song is the
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  Speaker 1: way to go, So then you have to slap everyone
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  Speaker 1: that wrote that queen song on top of the nine
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  Speaker 1: guys that wrote it together. And you're talking fourteen or
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  Speaker 1: fifteen dudes are credited with writing that one song. That's
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  Speaker 1: what it's really like on really popular music. It's insane.
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  Speaker 1: That's even crazy to me, you know, and I've never
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  Speaker 1: been out LA to write, but I just from my
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  Speaker 1: experience in Nashville and how we do it there. No,
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine being in a room with that many
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  Speaker 1: people trying to get something and then they meet back
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  Speaker 1: up together and then they put it all. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they might have a little twenty second track thing they
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  Speaker 1: build together in the beginning and go all right, here's
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  Speaker 1: the basis, and this guy is sitting there humming something.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what would be an our name an artist
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  Speaker 1: who like a pop artist who's probably unless you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to whose processes like this, all of them? Yea,
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  Speaker 1: I would say it would be easy, you're doing anything.
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  Speaker 1: The guys who aren't, who like I would say Edge
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  Speaker 1: Hearing that he's a pure song he's absolute, but he's
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  Speaker 1: also the biggest artist in the Beyonce would be a
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  Speaker 1: good example of someone who's probably not they're not literally
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  Speaker 1: connected to their songs as as much as like I
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  Speaker 1: would say it, Edge Hearing or us. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: think Adele is probably one of the more organic one's
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  Speaker 1: out there. But I guess what I'm trying trying to
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  Speaker 1: say is like, like they're they're inspired artists right there there,
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  Speaker 1: I make this analogy all the time. In Nashville, there's like,
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  Speaker 1: I have a guy work with who's like kind of
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  Speaker 1: a rock guy, right, so when he comes in, everything
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  Speaker 1: he everything he throws out is gonna be his. He
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  Speaker 1: has to write his own original ideas, like has to.
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  Speaker 1: He can't say anything that isn't true to his life.
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  Speaker 1: So it's he wants to do this, it's gonna sound
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  Speaker 1: like this, We're gonna and your job as a songwriter
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  Speaker 1: that day is to help him convey the message that
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  Speaker 1: he wants to convey. Correct. So then they're guys like
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  Speaker 1: Luke who are pretty consistently inspired and have ideas and
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  Speaker 1: know what direction they want to go with songs, but
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  Speaker 1: are also open to what maybe you've had happened in
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  Speaker 1: your life in the past six months, or or some
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  Speaker 1: sort of hook that you tucked back for them. And
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  Speaker 1: then you have other guys and and look, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying any any one of these three people and I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about here are wrong. It's just different ways of
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  Speaker 1: doing the business. So this far, this far, this guy
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  Speaker 1: over here, he may be just an entertainer and he
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily care what he's thinking about as long as
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  Speaker 1: he's on Dancing with the Stars or something, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, He just all he wants you to
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  Speaker 1: do is to give him a product. So and for
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  Speaker 1: this guy, there would be no real point in me
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  Speaker 1: and this other guy getting together write a song for
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  Speaker 1: this guy. Right, Maybe not even me and Luke get
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  Speaker 1: together and write a song for this guy, even though
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  Speaker 1: Luke can do that. And I'll make the statement that
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  Speaker 1: the guy he's talking about is not a specific person obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but the guy that goes and strictly cut songs is
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  Speaker 1: the is the pillar of giving these dudes jobs, because
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  Speaker 1: without those guys, there's no these guys. If all the
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  Speaker 1: artists wrote their own songs, there would be no songwriting community.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't exist because those guys would just write their
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  Speaker 1: own songs in their house and put albums out and
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  Speaker 1: that would be it. How how big is this songwriting community? So?
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  Speaker 1: How many? How many? I mean it? I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: been I think in the year like nineteen nine, there
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  Speaker 1: were almost ten thousand professional songwriters in Nashville that had
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  Speaker 1: publishing deals. Now I think it's under five hundred COVID records.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to it's hard to make money.
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  Speaker 1: It's the records don't records you don't make. You could
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  Speaker 1: get an album cut and not even a single, not
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  Speaker 1: get on the radio in the nineties and make a
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  Speaker 1: make a good amount of money. Don't know the X
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  Speaker 1: amount of dollargic. I gotta I gotta very specific for
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  Speaker 1: the situation. So the Shni Twain album that came out
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties is double Diamond, which means that album
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  Speaker 1: sold legitimately sold. That album sold twenty five million copies. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So the royalty, the predetermined royalty rate per CD sale
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  Speaker 1: is ten cents per song to the writer that wrote it. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So there is a song on that album that one
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  Speaker 1: dude wrote. It's a solo, right, which means he made
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  Speaker 1: two and a half million dollars having a song on
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  Speaker 1: that album that didn't even get played on the radio
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  Speaker 1: nowadays because it wasn't even like that particular two and
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  Speaker 1: never made like a Billboard hit or whatever. But so
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  Speaker 1: he gets But like, if me and Dana Reid wrote
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  Speaker 1: that song, we'd be splitting that ten cents three ways,
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  Speaker 1: but which would still be a tremendous amount of money.
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  Speaker 1: But now, if you write a song that's not a single,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the revenue stream is just there's nothing there.
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  Speaker 1: So you have two different types. It's one of the
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  Speaker 1: best selling albums of all time. You know, one should
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  Speaker 1: explain single, you say, that's explain the difference between album cut.
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  Speaker 1: A song promoted to radio by your record label is
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  Speaker 1: a single? What you're hearing? Song that you're hearing when
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  Speaker 1: you turn the pop station on and you hear that
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  Speaker 1: justin Bieber song or whatever. His team he's cranking out
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  Speaker 1: his own ship for sure on his back porch. I
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  Speaker 1: hope that. Okay, he's a big hunter for sure. No,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like so that their team is collectively going,
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  Speaker 1: we think this is a hit. So there, that's the
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  Speaker 1: song they're choosing to promote to radio as their next single.
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  Speaker 1: And so an album cut quote unquote is a song
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  Speaker 1: that's on the record that never gets chosen as a single.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a part of thee. But I don't want
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  Speaker 1: get too deep in the weeds out here on industry stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But it used to be that a single was released
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  Speaker 1: as a single A side B side. Yeah, that's the
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  Speaker 1: you know, when they were doing forty five and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and vinyls and stuff, that was what going. That's where
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  Speaker 1: it came from this a single song, and then there
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  Speaker 1: was a B side. There's two songs on it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you play the one side, it's the single, and then
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  Speaker 1: you play the b's some unknown, which is what another
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  Speaker 1: word for album cuts would be B sides. That's the
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  Speaker 1: same thing, is a B side. Can you guys take
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  Speaker 1: a stab I don't care which one he does it,
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  Speaker 1: take a stab at articulating the connection between UH contemporary
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  Speaker 1: country music and in in a broad sense, the outdoors,
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  Speaker 1: like the outdoors is revered, sure, right, nature and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about nature. The outdoors and outdoor lifestyles are
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  Speaker 1: revered by country music. It's like you you not say
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  Speaker 1: bad stuff about that stuff. I'm not exactly sure what
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  Speaker 1: you question. I get what I think he's not a question,
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  Speaker 1: not a question I'd like you to speak to that.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's saying, speak to the correlation of the
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  Speaker 1: outdoor lifestyle in our particular genre of music. Oh, God's touchy,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it? Is it touching? Well, I just don't think
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  Speaker 1: it happens as much as it used to it. Are
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  Speaker 1: you saying like lyrical content? Lyric that lyrical content? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's say this. I mean who are the toughest guys,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the guys that cut logs, the guys that yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for surely, yeah, man, I could see him outside. I
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  Speaker 1: could see him running, Yeah, probably outdoors? He no way
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  Speaker 1: is he really? Is he faster than him in the stage?
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  Speaker 1: It's softer, man, tell you, man, I had a bold
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  Speaker 1: kind of tough traditional tough like weird ship. All right?
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  Speaker 1: Is that now? Perception is reality, right, especially with the
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  Speaker 1: concept of social media. So to me, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: as an outsider, I'm a pure what what Nashville would
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  Speaker 1: refer to as a launch pale songwriter. All Right, I
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  Speaker 1: have no desire. I have no desire to explain that
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  Speaker 1: to people. Okay, I go into work, I wrote a song,
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  Speaker 1: and I go home. I don't live with that song
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: for the week. And you know what I mean, I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: write another one tomorrow. It's my job. I clocked you
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the clock out kind of deal when you take your lunch,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: play all the work, right, no performing. I mean, I'll
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: do a Bluebird show every now and then, but nothing.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Not not really surprised. I don't want to lose track
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: of It's surprised to me the way you guys use
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the word artist like you don't regard yourself as an artist.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You feel little artist as a performer. I regard myself
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: as the utmost of an artist. But that's not who
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I hear that's artist to be a performer. That's not
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: what Nashville titles. Well, there's a miscommunication of what artist
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: really means an industry terms an industry. I mean, Luke
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: is an artist because he's literally developing his own ideas.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: That's what to me what art is. Yeah, okay, that's
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: what I would define it as well. So I'd say,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you're an artist, you're a songwriter. You're an artist. You're
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a songwriter, you're an artist. You're a songwriter and a performer.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Let's so let's say just knock the word performer out
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and replace it with artist. Yeah, they're the same thing,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: because we're saying that at the time, you wanted to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: be an artist, but now you're a songwriter. Professional about this,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Just replace artist with performers. At a time you wanted
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to be a performer and now you're just a songwriter
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: an artist. Okay, So back to the back, to the back,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to the perception's reality. So I'm I think, um, it
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: looks pretty cool to be a big country, tough guy
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: right to be seen as that. And so if you
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: sing about it now, you back it up with a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: little bit of social media then before you, I mean,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you post one picture with a deer head, or maybe
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you out there just fishing, you know, or maybe you're
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: do a little trap shooting, and all of a sudden
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a manliness attached to the name.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And so when that song comes through talking about drinking
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: cold beers on outside under the stars, they can back
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: it up with a little bit of pictures. Like it's
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like cred or something country creb, that's what we called it. Yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: like like you, you're like trying to up your credibility too.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So I think it's more almost that because if you
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: were to go listen to the top songs on the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: radio right now, I mean, I don't think there's maybe
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: not one that mentions the outdoors. The song that me
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and Dan wrote that's about to go to radio talks
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: about eight point bucks first to cut cornfields. But that's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: probably the only one. Oh yeah, but it's like, yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I almost guarantee almost about you. And but it used
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to not. Uh. Usually what you get with pop music
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is them talking about, you know, their money or or
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the girl or their boys or whatever in a confined space.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: But with with country music, it's it's more nostalgia, you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and and and you right to to a feeling that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you're comfortable with, which is which with most of guys
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: like us, we we grew up in the outdoors and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that's and you try to write what you know. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: so for me and Luke and Dan Man, we're yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: we're trying to write music that speaks to people and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: people can see and putting a little color in there
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: if it's a if it's coke cane shooting coke cans
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: with a bb gun on the creek or whatever. Yeah,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like the song I'll play last night the real kids too.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I like that to appreciate that. Um that that's that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was just out there. Um. But not with you doing it. No, Well,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I'll say I can send you let me do it. Well,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that'd be cute anyway. My whole point is that that
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you gotta think about your audience, right, So, especially as
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: an artist. I mean, let's just go back to Biber.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Biber is not caring his He didn't he didn't care
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: to be represented as an outdoors guy because the people
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: listen to me could give a hot shit less if
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: he's ever shot at duck in his life, as opposed
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to country music, where you have guys who are are
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: appealing to these people who think manliness associated with countryiness
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: is hot, sexy, cold, or someone that would they'd like
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: to be depending on female kinna. A couple of years ago,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I read this book I wish you could remember the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: name of it. It It was about Nashville and the sixties
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: because of the history Nashville, but focused on Nashville and
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the sixties, and reading it, I was surprised that dudes
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: like Whalen Right and people from his era and David
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Allen Cole comes in and out of it um drug
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: addicts and they it seems that they spent at times
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in their life the bulk of their time playing uh pinball.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: But that isn't what the like in describing their life.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: They don't describe their life that way. No, they would
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: be like, let's go to Luke and Bock Texas, right,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: not like let's go um snored a bunch of cocaine music.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Dude like shiploads and phat amine and play pinball for
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: days on end. Correct. Yeah, absolutely, because how that's kind
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of boring, right, j J's market, Right, that's where they
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: went exactly. Yep. Um. I got an interesting story. One
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of our best friends songwriters, guy named Michael Hady, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: he's from that era. I mean he was. He's had
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: hits in the what sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, early todays, seventies,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: starts there. Yeah, he's the only one running right now
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: that's hits. And he tells us like five different decades
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: he's had a number. He's awesome. Crutch Man just takes
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: no ship, no lunch pail. So wrote a bunch of
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: those church songs. He wrote George Jones, uh still doing time,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that's yeah. And he also wrote Eric Churches drinking My Hands.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So that's how far apart he wrote ten rounds. Yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: he said some great, great songs. But my point is,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: so back in the day him Christofferson, I think it
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: was whaling and maybe Merle we're at a cuff Rose,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: which is an older version of what Sony a TV
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: is now where I work now, And that's exactly what
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: they would do. They would all pile in on the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Thursday after they had written for four days and they
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: play songs to each other and they was just two
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: lines of cocaine. And he said, man, we were I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: don't think Mammy saying this. We were jacked out of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: our brains and we went to it was like three
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: thirty four o'clock in the morning, and they went to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: find the key to lock the door, and that they
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: had lost the keys to lock the publish and coming
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: up to leave. So they're like, well, what do we do?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And they're like, I don't know where all we none
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: of us can drive, you know, And they were taxis
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: back then. So they just all leaned up against the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: door right like that way if anyone came into steal something,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that would knock them all over and they would wake up.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: So they the next morning when the secretary guy there
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: came in the back door unlocked. It came in and there,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and it took a picture of my buddy Whalen, Christofferson
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and Haggard all leaned up against this glass door, passed
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: out after a night of rocket How cool is that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: he's got that picture? Man? But speaking to your point,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's also like those guys you're saying, you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: dow lines and then go play pinball, and you can't
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you can't write songs about Those artists are very in
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: tune and in touch with their fan, the fan base.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: He's just about to say, it's it's very similar to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: what happens now because those guys were doing something that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: their fans would totally have not liked to hear them
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: sing about. Because at that time, the country fan was
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: even more conservative as far as their religious beliefs and
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: their lifestyle than they are nowadays. You know what I mean.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Nowadays you can be more loose with what you talk
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: about and and do this. It's still the most conservative,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you know, ethically speaking genre that exists, but way less
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: so than it was in the seventies. And those guys
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: were doing way more extreme ship than the guys are
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: doing now. That kind of stuff doesn't go on anymore
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: because it just can't. But in the feare of social media,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and you know, you just you would be you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: quote unquote canceled in you know, a hot second man,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: if it were to get out that you were doing
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I mean, the reason I bring
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that up is and hanging out with you guys. Uh,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: it's gonna sound corny and hanging out with you guys
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: for a few days. I was kind of I've felt like, oh,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you know, they like they exemplify what I felt that, like,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: you exemplify the things that are applauded in the genre
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in a way that I was. I was like would
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: have been more cynical about not cynical in a bad way,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: but just like like I understand that that there's certain
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: tropes and certain things that are gonna you know, like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: like that that seem appealing to people going to the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: river at night to swim whatever, like like agriculture being
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like agriculture being good. Um, right, and it's like like
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: certain ideals and like good ideals too that like you
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: when you make a commitment, but let's do a friend
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and make a commitment to your wife, you commit your
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: family like you stay um and like anyone, you realize
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of there's probably a lot of
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: uh bus it gets built into it. But then hang
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: out you guys. If you doesn't like holy ship, man,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: these dudes a light country songs as a compliment. As
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a compiment, yeah, man, I mean that's that's what that's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: what you want to be, because you know, the last
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: thing I want to do is is try to write
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: a song that that it's fake. You know, to me,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you gotta understand we can't take the credit for that. Better,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I gotta back up what I'm saying. Better, Dan, what
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I'm telling. I'm not gonna tell what the story is about.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Dan here was telling He'll have to tell you the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: story on his own. He's telling me a very funny
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: story that had a way different point but with within
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the story it touched on agriculture. But within the story
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: he explain, it's an important part of the story that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: he explains how an evening goes down in his home,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and in his home at night before bedtime, him and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: his wife like to go outside and light a fire
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and sit by the fire and spend an hour throwing
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the tennis ball for the dog, in which they have
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a couple of drinks, stare at the flames, and then
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: go to bed. I'm like, that's some country music ship
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: right there, man. And he wasn't telling me to be
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: like amsterdamn Country a crazy story that I don't want
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: to tell you, but it was just a detail in
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the story. And I'm like, man, that's like a country song. Well,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I think that that had me going think about how
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: me and my wife by the time we put our
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: kids to bed. Sometimes, man, we just like we don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: do the whole fire and everything. We just gotta just
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like put the house bed together, go to bed. I'm
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: guarantee you there's nights that they don't go osside and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: sit around the Every night, I'll walk out. That's not true.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Every night and I walk out shirtless and shut the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: chickens up. That is true, I do. I was about
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to say that. I was about to say, it's not
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: like we do that, but don't come creeping on me
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: at six am, or you're gonna you're gonna see a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: lot more than me than you want to because I'm
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: gonna let them chickens out in my drawers. But I mean, dude,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it's just it's what we love to do. And it
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: was never contrived. It was never hey, man, let's learn
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: these things to uh see more country. I mean, our
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: dad and our mom made we ate gravy and biscuits,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and uh we listened to skinnered on the way to church.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Fishing on the weekends. We went fishing on the weekends
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: off the bank. We we pulled out stripers and pilate
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: them on the bank. And I mean we were never
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: like had dogs as best friends constantly. It wasn't just
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I mean we played tennis ball baseball in the backyard
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: is kind of where we grew up. And so it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: it's it's a beautiful thing to be able to not
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: have to fake it. And and I think that maybe
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: what makes our uh point of view or or or
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: songwriting craft, if you will, feel a little more authentic,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: is because that's all we know how to talk about.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: And with that, I mean't fake it. Yeah, And and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I would I venture to say that if even if
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Luke wasn't a performer artist or you know, and we
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: weren't songwriters, nothing about our lives, which should we still
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: be doing, We'll be doing the same thing. We'll be
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: living the same way where we're at. But thank you
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: for saying that. I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: think we bring out the good. Yeah, that's a great
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: compliment for sure. No, I've enjoyed it. Man, do you guys, Uh,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: this might not come It's the thing that goes on
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: in the North. We're now and then uh, in the North,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: people like to just as a joke, Now, and then gosh,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: here we speculate upon the lives of Southerners the same thing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. That's what I didn't know until this. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: didn't know that was a thing. I didn't know that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you guys went down there goofed on us for four
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: even plant food. We just plant per salmon trees. He does, pity, Oh,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: per salmons. You got some per salmon trees up there,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you know, per salmon? Okay, but usually two box will
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: come in per salmon. Wait about sex per salmon. You
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: guys not know what you sound like. I mean, it's got,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it's nice. You're always told growing up. The reason that
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you don't realize that you have an accent because everybody
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: on the news does it in like a Midwest accent.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: When I had to in the news, you know, it's
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: like done how we sound, and so you don't notice it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I had to take a class um called I think
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it was all by Roger Gillis, and it was a
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: class called the Structure of Modern English and actually actually
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: interesting and I kidding. And in this class, in this
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: class it talked, it had like all these dialects on
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the map, and it was saying and it was looking at.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It was he was focused for a while. I I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: can't remember feels him or not, but it doesn't matter.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: He was focused at He was focused on three figures,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and Brokaw because it was that
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: era and he was like, what, how did we decide
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: what a normal American? Sounds like? That's pretty interesting and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: it and it focused on this circle that kind of
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: like included like remember it captured Chicago and it was
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: like the circle. It was kind of like, this is
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: what we've decided. It sounds like, this is the steps
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that you go to to represent that sound. And he
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: presented it through like who presents America's news and like
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that's America. Everything else derivates. Yeah, well, and that can
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: leave people who are from that area probably feeling pretty
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: damn cocky. Yes, and those left out he also uh
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in the same class. They got into this notion that
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: if he said that if at the time, I can't,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I wish I could be fields the Revolutionary War or
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the Civil War, if you had somehow made a barrier
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: along the Mason Dixon line, that there was no exchange
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that by now, which is now then because it's a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: long time ago, that by now these two groups would
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: not be able to communicate. Wow. And he talked about
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: because and he looked at the technology g that's emerged,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: everything to do with automobiles, everything to do with computing,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: everything to do with materials, fabrics, cultural stuff. It's like
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it would be that at this point, no way are
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: you gonna say all that stuff was made up North.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't have had the shared we wouldn't have no, no,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: not at all. We wouldn't have the shared we wouldn't
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: have the shared exchange. Talking about how quickly things would drift.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Like the point being that it was like the vernacular
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: of the South, um, the a grarianism of the South,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the industrialism of the North at that time that it
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: would have been like we we would now we look
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: at like France, two separate. Super interesting. One of our
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: good buddies, Uh, Marty Smith, he uh, he was gutting
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: from North Carolina with a hard draw, right, but he
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: he was he wanted to be in some sort of
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: broadcasting thing, right. He wanted he that's all he wanted
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to do was being broadcast. But he says, he has
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: this quote and he says, but you know, you boys
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: know he said, guys like guys that talk like us
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: don't get those positions, said that, and now he's in
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the ESPN analysts. He works on NASCAR, of course, but
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: he sounds like us started to age que coach or something,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and it's it's it's almost like what makes Marty Marty too?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Is that that's his appeal as It's like he's I mean, one,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: he's very intelligent, but he did start out in NASCAR,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: so you kind of get the prejudice of like, well,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: stick the Southern guy in the NASCAR thing. And he
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: does love NASCAR, so I mean, he's very knowledgeable on
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that subject. So he was obviously the choice. And but
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: now he is mainstream. Now he does college football, I mean,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: he does everything. Now, he's I would argue, one of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: one of the most recognizable personalities. Media decided to celebrate
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: him as opposed absolutely, but I think it took him
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: a long time to get there though. To break down
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that thing. Man, you don't just don't sound appealing to
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the entire United States because is of your Southern accent.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: His personality outspeaks his Southern drawal. And that's why I
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: think that's what ESPN gave into and now it's it's
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it has become a part of the Marty Smith brand.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Is the way I talk, you know, the way he talks.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm aware of it. Man, Like it's almost it
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: looks a lot better for me to not Uh, it
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: looks a lot better for me to not acknowledge this.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: But I think that it's like fair to acknowledge that
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: there was there's a legit. Um it's not fanged. I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: mean like it doesn't have like strong teeth. There is
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a legit perception. It's true. Man, There's people like in
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the north be nicest ship to whoever. But there's people
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that when they hear like a southern country thing, it's
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: like whatever that person is saying is less important or
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: somehow less reliable. Dude, I'm telling me, I hate, I hate.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I'm they were experienced, but it's like a thing, you know.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I've even had good friends of mine talk about like
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: meet like they maybe like you know, meeting an engineer
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: from from somewhere, And at first they're kind of like,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: how but you get I get what you're saying. How
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: would you yea? Who are you to tell me about
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like the instructural integrity of such and such from Bingham
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Metal under Arrest, Like, like, how would that should you
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: be telling me about corn? Well, I'll be telling you.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I hate to admit it, but it's like a thing
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that you grew up around. We grew up, We grew
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: up on all kinds of other prejudices that I don't
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: really feel like you'ven talking about, but like, it's just
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: shitty things people say. There's cultural differences and it and
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt a better I probably shouldn't say talk
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: about this, but I actually the dated a girl recently,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you know, my past relationship sticky. I don't know if
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: you want to go there, but he was from Ohio,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: northern't Ohio, and had a northern accent and the and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. And I would go up there and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: visit her family and almost would feel out of place. No,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: not almost. I felt out of place every time I went,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: because it was such a different environment that I grew
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: up in and that I knew every day. And honestly,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that put a big thing between me and her and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and and and we never like it was never a
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: spoken thing, but like the way we were raised in
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the way you know, belief systems or whatever, like it
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: just something about where she's from and where I'm from
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: did not match up. Well, I don't think he's I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: think you're kind of addressing more of the fact that
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: there there was like a little bit of a negative
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: connotation whenever someone spoke just stereotyped. I used to work
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: with a guy in Denver that, Uh, it's kind of
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: like a melting pot. It's like, it's not really anywhere,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: It's Midwest, it's west. Where is So he was a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: huge Hispanic influence to man. Yeah, so he was from Oklahoma,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: had a really strong Southern draw. One of the smartest
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: people I've ever worked with. And it took a long
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: time for do we claim that Oklahoma? Does the South
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: claim Oklahoma? I feel like it. I don't think so.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think we'll tell you what. We'll tell you
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: what South is. That's that's something. But he had he
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: had this really strong he's crazy smart. But when we
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: were working at at this company, um, it took a
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: while before people would acknowledge that what he was saying
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: was intelligent real and some of the people that were
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: maybe from the Upper Midwest maybe not as smart or
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: good at their job. But it seems like people took
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: him more serious right away because he talked differently. Because
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: he talked differently, I would venture to say that the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: majority of those guys could give it rats less what
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you think. Honestly, he kind of comes with the territory.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: It's like, uh, I don't necessarily care if somebody thinks
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not is intelligent because of my dialect. I'll happily
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: walk out there. And because she she used a stomping
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: muddle in that ass and just go home. That's my buddy.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I was talking to him about it one day. He
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: was fluent in Mandarin. Nobody we even believe him. I
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: wouldn't believe he would. He would say something he's just choking.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Nobody could verify, like whatever. But I was talking to
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'd rather than assume that I'm I'm
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: an idiot and then surprise him then the other way around.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: You know, Dan, you mentioned jokingly, Uh, well, I heard
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: you say two things that that um I heard you.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: We're talking about like someone being distinctly northern, and you
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: mentioned I totally like and I welcome it. But like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: some things that are funnier often funny because there's they're
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: like there's a like a hint of truth a little bit.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: So you mentioned like you you joked about pretentiousness, and
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: then you joked about how we You said you felt
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: like we're sometimes that we sometimes, like on this show
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: discussed the South, discussed the South in the way You're like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: they talk about it, they don't know what they're talking about.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I just well, it would be like me talking about salmons.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm never I'm just kidding.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I know. I'm just saying, in order to get the
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: flavor correct of of what you think you're talking about,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: you got to spend a little time with it, you
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I'm not batting it on
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you or or anybody else. I mean, we make we
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: make a lot of fun people that have stronger accents.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: But it's not because it's my fa. If I could
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: lay out my favorite things in life, it's my favorite
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: is listening to you guys. Tell us how we sound.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: We're pretty close, right, I'm just saying, no, man, I
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: think it's interesting that you said that about that there's
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: some truth. It always see us to be a little funny.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: If there's a little truth in it, I would venture
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: to say that songs are the same way, if you
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: can find a way to sprinkle in some of your
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: reality into what you're trying to see. I mean, he
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: can speak to this way better than I can. As
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: far as it's probably a little bit easier to seeing
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to forty people every night. If it's something you actually
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: live to believe in, Yeah, I would agree, man. I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: mean I think for me, it's like there is no
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: need for me to feel like authentic, you know, Like
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I don't feel that pressure that I think a lot
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: of other performers in my genre feel, you know, because
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm very open and honest with my
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: fans about you know, where I came from and how
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I grew up and the things that I did, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and the things that you do now right and things
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that I do now you know, And like I think
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: there's there's something there's something to be said about, you know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: somebody who can just be themselves like fully, and that's me,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you know what I feel. You know, it's like listen, man,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Like I'll tell you right right on this podcast. Like
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't grow up hunting. I just I didn't. It's
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: not something that my dad did. He grew up in
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the rust belt in Ohio, and he didn't go hunting
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: with my grandfather because he was a truck driver, you know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: for his entire life. And they lived in a you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: suburban neighborhood and outside of Akron, Ohio. So it just
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't something that they did. So that wasn't something that
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: my my father passed on to me. It was something
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that I gained an interest in after I started doing
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: music as an escapism type thing from the daily grind
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: of my job. So I don't go out and say, man,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been skinning squirrels since day one, using
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: bones like a toothpick, you know what I'm It's like,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I just don't say that because it's not true. And
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: so you know, I've always been cool with that, you know.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just fine being who I am and and just
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: just telling people like it is, you know, And I think, like, yeah,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I think you've made I hate You've made it. Um,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I think you've made being open about who you are
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and like verbalizing your flaws or whatever like part of
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: like your thing, which puts you in a pretty comfortable position. Like, man,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I hope the ship doesn't catch up to me, no doubt,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and I definitely, I definitely think that that would be
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: an exhausting position. But isn't that what does isn't that
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: what a lie does across the board, if you make
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: this stuff regardless of what it is. And I realized
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: recognized this honestly about what ten years ago in my
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: life that I told you honest, this long way to
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: get your honest. I said, dude, if you want to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: find the quickest way back to the truck, you need
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: to follow your boy, because I'm gonna find I'm gonna
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: find it. I'm gonna find the easiest, fastest way back
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: to the truck. And he was like, all right, man,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: we'll try your way this time, you know, which actually
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: turned out to be wrong. Sorry, But I mean I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: decided ten years ago that it it took less energy
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: because because we all have energy, right, you're devoting so
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: much energy towards certain things, right, you only have so
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: much to get, mental energy being a huge part of that, absolutely,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And it takes more mental and sometimes literal energy to
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: keep up the facade and sell the lie than it
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: does to just tell the truth and deal with the consequences.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And so we stopped, we stopped white fudging anything. And
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing is, like, if you're honest
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: from the jump in in our genre, I don't I
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: don't think there are any consequences, you know what I mean? Like,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna go that, God, I don't
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: skin Big Bucks. Well, if you don't talk about skinning
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Big Bucks, no one's gonna say that you're not doing it.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: So just sing and talk about the ship that you
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: actually do. That the thing that people need to understand,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: like they try to come in and fit this mold
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: that's perceived that's really not even there. Man. There's nobody
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: in town going signing a guy and going, we gotta
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: get this guy in a food plot. That's not happening.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: You know, nobody's doing that, you know what I mean?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And so I don't understand why there are some guys
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: who are feel so pressured to try to like fit
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: in with their fan base. Like guy that does it
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: well is Eric Church just does what he does so
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: unapologetically and is so left of center of what I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: think the stereotypical the guy that maybe doesn't listen to
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: country music thinks what a country music singer is, he's
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: so left of that mold and so outside of the
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: confines of that particular you know, stereotype. But he's never
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: in a magazine going dude, I'm a big hunter and
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I'm out fish and all the time. Like, he never
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: says that, so he doesn't have to try to acknowledge
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that or back it up with photo evidence or you know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I need to feel like he's cooler than somebody else.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: So he doesn't do that, which fucking makes him cool.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: That's what makes him cool is that he doesn't do that,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, to like it or leave it. Yeah,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: you know, it's take it or leave it thing. Take
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: me as I am or not. I make music that
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I like people like it, and I don't make music
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: for people that aren't going to like it. So I
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: don't care if people don't like it. I like that
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: a lot good stuff. That's a hook I appreciate about
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I think I appreciate about country is that you can
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: uh embrace things that are becoming increasing like hot for
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: bowl outside, Like you look at a dude, you know,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: even like actors, who's the who's the Yeah? Well yeah,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: but he gets slapped in the face every time he
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: does it. Man. Oh, and he'd like be like, oh, yeah,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: we killed a lamb on the farm, and then all
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: of a sudden just like yeah, he's got a kind
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: of chill on it, you know, and by the back
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: of the saying like knowledge and I bet other people.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I wish I could. I wish I could say this
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: dude's name, but I don't want to just bed be
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: helpful if I could say it, like explaining to me
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: flat out, explaining me over the phone that he's a
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: closeted hunter and he's got a secret game room. No
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: way a secret game room because he has to hold
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: a certain perception. He had a little thing building. It's serious.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: There's like people that can't go near it, can't be
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: seen at that. And it's like the fact that that
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the fact that I'm one hand in America, you could
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: have uh involvement right involvement in media and be in
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the public spotlight and have it be that you can't
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: and if you do, you gotta lie to have it
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: be that you don't. But then here's this other like
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: thriving industry. Where were you. It's like how people come
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and hit me, I'm not just thing late Like people
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: can talk about the polarization of America, you know, and
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like from the from a media standpoint, I'm super
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: sensitive political media. I'm like very sensitive and very nervous
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: of the polarization of America. Like I don't want it
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: to happen. Man, I'm like very worried about the fabric
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: or the country. But then the thing I keep reminding
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: myself is every single time I go outside, every time
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I go outside, nice ship happens around me. I don't
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: have any idea what the dude next to me, the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: dude next to him, the dude next to him, to
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: due next to him. I have no idea who they're
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: going to vote for. But when I see those guys,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: it's what's going on. Man, you need help with anything.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I gotta be out of talent for the weekend. If
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: you don't mind checking in, I'm gonna go ahead and like, well,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I know you gotta go away. I'm gonna watch your situation.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Heads up. I saw the kids over there. They seem
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: to have a gun. Like it's like friendliness with positive interaction.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: After positive interaction, I go to the gas station. People
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: are cool with the gas station, Like everybody go like
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: someone's cool and with you guys, everybody's cool. But then
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: all we hear about is like the world's falling apart.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: But then then I think, like, how could it be,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Like you take something like an affinity for honey, Like,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: how could it be that, Like, if you like this
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: kind of music, it's celebrated. If you're like this kind
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: of music, you gotta hide it. And there's the same
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and a lot of the same people are listening to
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: all the same stuff, and blow, I can't figure out
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: where That's just like an example of it's just hard
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: to picture that we're all in these wildly different trips.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: You think there's guys you think, like that particular guy
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: right for instance, I'm not sure who it is, we
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: haven't discussed, but you think that particular guy has like
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: another Instagram account, like just to follow me either. I
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: don't know, but you know what, that would figure out
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: why he wanted I could not figure out why he
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to get me on the phone. And I was like,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy was the torch to the phone.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I don't know what. I had
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: no idea. I was like, well, I definitely like if
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: this dude calls, you call him, I'll tell you later.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: All he wanted to do. All he wanted me to
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: do is tell all he wanted he wanted to He
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: just wanted, yeah, some justification. Never heard another word from him. Wow,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: he just wanted to shoot ship forty five minutes un Yeah, yeah, dude,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine having to hide them. Man, that'd be awful.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think I could just make your own stock
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: with your box box stop box stock on them. You know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: you can't even put that on the boxtagram. You know, Boxtagram.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: That's gonna be my next Instagram box box. I think
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: you bring an interesting point. The second I get outside,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: it seems like I go to gas station and people
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: are cool. You know, yeah, you're not like, Holy Cow
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: of the world's falling apart. I went to the gas
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: station and they punched me immediately. I'll take two. Uh.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I completely agree with that. I mean, it's just you know,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: you get here. I got talking for a second. We
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: got on the bus after we've been out y'all U
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Northern speaking jokers. We were just like, dude, there's not
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a jerk in that whole group. We're like, this is
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be a fun guys were expecting out of eight
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of us, there be one. You try to like sniff
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: him out, dude, there's more. There's more than at y'all there.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's got a little bit of a
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: positive hours last night. But I'm just telling you. But
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, there's usually there's usually one
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: in there, and there one. Man, We've had an unbelievable week.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: The landowners have been cool, you know. I just I
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's as bad as as they like
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: to say it is. Man. And I guarantee you based
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: on if anyone listening could see if you lined up
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: all the people here, I feel like it would be
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a massive spectrum of political, religious, and social belief And
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: there hasn't been one guy that's like, Man, I don't
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: like that, dude. Man, I just don't get that guy.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Because we all have this common bond of like being
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: out here and enjoying ourselves, cooking, eating food, talking, laughing
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: and stuff like there's never once been like, you're honest,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: who you voting for? What I mean, like, it's just
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: like that doesn't matter to me. And that's that's another
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: thing that's a beauty of of the outdoors is like
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: in a in a world and in a culture that
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: is ever changing. Man, daily outside is a constant you
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: know that that going to hunt a tree, stand sitting
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: in a tree and watching a buck walk out, is
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: that's that's the same, you know, like that's that's a
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that's a constant thing that you can always escape to.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Bro coming in with those good nuggets right there. I'm
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: with you, and I've been thinking about it. I've been
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: thinking about that idea of the constancy of nature because
• 55:41
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and John was preorder. In fact, you can preorderize
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: where can they pre order Steve uh anywhere books are sold.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Anywhere books are sold. UM Boxers book project about kids
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: like having to do with kids in nature and in it.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: In thinking about this book, I mean think about this
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: idea that uh that we invite kids are kids invite
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: people to like feel we we invite them to all
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: these like forms of community in in life, meaning like
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: your your community, like you know, the little place you live. Um,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: we are invited to be participants in social media community.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: We could be invited to be participants in like being
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: fans of uh Luke Hombs right, or fans of the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: local high school community, and you feel like you're part
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: of that, and you might feel like you're part of
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: you know, church and you're part of that um. But
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: not doing enough to make not doing enough to invite
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: kids to feel like they're part of an ecosystem, right,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: or like part of like a nature like something. And
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: so I was like looking at all these ways in
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: which you know you can You can just in your
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: own yard whatever it is. If you live in an
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: apartment like your balcony, I don't know wherever you are,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: like you could participate and be like, man, I noticed
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: that the sun was a few months ago rolls over
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: there and not rises over here. When I turned out
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: my water and water comes out, Um, where did that
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: water come from? Like that? It did? It falls rains? Know?
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: How did you get here? Is that part of an aquifer?
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Is the aquafer? Girl shrink when you flush your toilet? Like,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: what is that water's path to the ocean? Right? And
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you start piecing together that you're sort of involved with
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the world, the physical world, and you'd invite to be
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: in that community. And I'll think about how it's perhaps
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: really comforting because there's this constant see right, son, all
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: these predictable patterns, And I'm always telling my kids this. Well,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: the other day, uh, their day. A couple weeks ago,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: we look up on the mountain near our house and
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: there's like a pillar of smoke coming out of the
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: mountain and it's like the size. It looks like like
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: the size of a wheelbarrel right burning. By the time
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going inside and get my spotting sculpe, that's some
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: bitches like over the ridge top the next day burns down.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Houses of friends of ours were like under evacuation standby
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: for evacuation order. Small like we saw it like a campfire.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Is that what it was? We saw it so small
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: that we're debating whether the call nine one one or not. No,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. Two weeks earlier, they have this map
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that shows all the lightning strikes. Now saw a new firefighter.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, why do you guys just go if
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you know where they're at from radar, don't you just
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: go to them all? He goes, because there's the I
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: was and of them, you know, because you can't. I
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: was like, well, if you know there's one day. Don't
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: you go put it out like good luck. You know,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: it might be hundreds or thousands. That's that was ended
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: up doing. It hit a tree a lightning strike two
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: weeks earlier, God hit a tree, and it's smoldered inside
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: the tree and underground. Then whatever. One day it's smoldered
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: its way out from the outside. Oh yeah, just smoldered
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: inside the tree. No one knew people, it's right by this,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: like hiking trail. No one knew there was like a
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: little ember and air from a lightning strike blows up
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: and like you know, burns eleven thousand acres. Then I'm
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: sitting there and thinking this is like a long digression.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: But then I'm like, and there's also they're really scary,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: wildly unpredictable shit about being involved in the natural world,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Like it's real consistent, cool, and then all of a sudden,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: it burns your house down. It burns your house down, man,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: So it's like a complex relationship with it. I don't
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: even know what I was talking about, what you were
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: talking about kids, kids. I heard this analogy one time
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. Um Man, I hope you didn't
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: say it, otherwise it's gonna like I'm giving you a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: like a compliment, and we don't have that terrible but
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's essentially like if you take himself, if you
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: take a bunch of plastic toys to uh, if we
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: had a gymnasium and we put a hundred kindergarteners in it,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: you took a bunch of toys and you put them
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: in the middle, and all the kids just flooded and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: played with them for fifteen to twenty minutes and eventually
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: would get pretty exhausted. Not COVID safe, not saying in
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: this current we would do that, but okay, and then
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: and then you put them back. You know, you took
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: all the toys out, He took a little bag and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: he walked there, and you opened the bag and there
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: was a puppy in it, And how many kids would
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: eventually just bam, get right on it. Everybody wants to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: touch and everybody wants to see it. And I think
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I think deep within us, even as as children were
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: born with the idea of of wanting to be connected
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: to that world, it's just we as adults have wrapped
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: work and life and city and concrete around it so
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: much they have to literally fight through layers of existence
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: to even fill the grass under their feet. Man, And
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure that with my child. I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: have a new one year old. I mean, we're already
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: taking our shoes off and walking outside and and dealing
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: dealing with with you know, with with figuring out that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: we are connected to that and how to take care
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: of it responsibly and enjoy it at the same time.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be worked all the time, you know.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Shane Mahoney said that on Randy Newberg's podcast, Randy's Podcast,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: What's Your Luke, this is your first hunt about on
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the Great Plains. Yeah, impressions, it's great. They are the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Great Plains. Plains are great, and they are plain and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: they're great. No, no, man, it was. I mean it's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: obviously drastically different than anything I've I've done, you know,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not not a lifelong hunter checking
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: in here, so then I'm drawing off the past five
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: or six years of my personal experience, which has mainly
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: been hunting in the South, you know, and in the
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: hardwoods of the South pretty much is where I've hunt
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you know, deer turkey. That's pretty much my lexicon of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: of going and hunting, you know, some bird on and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, but all in the same environment. So too.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a gradual move. It wasn't like, oh man,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: we went to Tennessee and then we slowly pittled out
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: to like Missouri, and then we got into Kansas and
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: it was like, you don't it wasn't working my way out.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: It was like it went from Tennessee to Wyoming like
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: in two and a half hours, you know what I mean.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: And so you come out and it's like I remember
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: thinking the first day that we went out, when me
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: and you went out, and it was like, you see
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: this animal that's eight hundred or a thousand yards away
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: from you. It's cool to be able to see that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: In Tennessee, it's like a it's a glimpse. It's a glimpse.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Like they come out in an open spot and they
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: might be out there for five minutes tops, and then
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: they're back on the other side of the woods. You know,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: they're passing through or they're coming in to feed for
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: five or ten minutes and they're back in the woods
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: like they're safe places where they want to be, and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: there kind of is no safe quote unquote safe place
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: for an animal to be in that sense. Here, like,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of cover, there's not a lot
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: of you know, places to like, there's not a lot
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: of holes and crevices to get in. When we saw
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: that saw that mule deer, you know, pushed up against
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: that cliff face there, it was like, where where's he
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: gonna sit out in the middle of the you know,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: thousand acre field, very hard to find little spot where
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: something couldn't see him, And here we are, you know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: ruining his spot, you know what I mean kind of thing.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: But it was so different, man, And it was so
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: fun to to have like the challenge of getting to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: the animal. I think was my favorite part of it
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: in a way, you know what I mean. It's never
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: to me, it's never been about killing something that's not
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: you mean, all the snaking around and going around man,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: like that was the neat thing and like and like
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: obviously a huge part of it has been, you know,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: learning from you. It's been time with you out there
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: was also you know, really awesome for me as well.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: That's not normal and a hunt obviously we're not gonna
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: be hunting together every weekend, you know what I mean,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: So like that was neat, and I took that in
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: as well. But it was like going with someone who
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: knew what they were doing was huge for me. Like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like, all right, well we're gonna park the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: truck and there's one over there on the side of
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the road. It was like, you know, good, just get
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: out and we'll get it, and we'll drive the truck
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: up there and go get it and then I'll be it.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: It wasn't that, you know, and I would never have
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: wanted it to be that. So going down and hiking
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: down this huge you know mountain for lack of a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: better term. I mean it's not you know, Mount St.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Helens or something, but it's definitely not a hill either,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so going down that
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: and going back up and you know, getting spotted and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: then you're like, well that's not gonna work, and just
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: trying things and then finally when you get there and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and it all works out, like being a part of that,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: like that doesn't happen in Tennessee except for when you're
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: turkey hunting. Which is why I love turkey hunting and
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Tennessee so much. Is it is Casey kept telling the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Casey's the landowner, I believe, But he kept saying, all
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: my buddies called turkey hunting poor man's elk hunting, still
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: calling back to you, you're trying to find you know
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like so, and I think that's a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: really solid analogy, but I think it was a little bit.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: It was everything I loved about turkey hunting on a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: way more grandiose scale, minus the you know, the calling
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: response element of it. You know, you're trying to stay hidden,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out how you're gonna get there.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Where do we need to set up, how do we
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: approach it? I don't know, it's just there. There's something
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: you can really get lost in that moment, you know.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: And my job can be so insanely chaotic and like
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: over over sensory, you know, deprivation is like doesn't even
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: begin to describe, you know, being in like a television
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: studio and it's like, all right, three minutes, we're doing this.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: In two minutes, We're like down to the minute of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, and just sitting there for an
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: hour waiting for somebody to waiting for something to walk
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: out on top of a mountain with people that you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: like hanging out with. It's just I mean, it's pretty refreshing.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: You can't even put a price on it in mind.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, you know the thing
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I was explaining to it's a loop. Now they need
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: to explain this to him. But we're just I guess
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: it's more we're discussing this is and the there are
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: very few trees here. I mean usually you can't see
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: a tree. Usually they're like most places you go and
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: this area in Wyoming, there's you can't see any vegetation
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: that would be higher than your calf. Like most of
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the time that's the case. It might be like a
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: scattered bit of junipers or something, but like typically within
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: a thousand yards of either be like no thing higher
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: a new calf. And I was saying that it creates
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: the illusion because you can see so damn far. You
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: always see something out there in antelope or whatever. It
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: creates the illusion of there being a whole bunch of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: stuff like man, because we're like being like, oh my god,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: there's some over there, and so they're all these animals.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: By saying if you took every square mile section and
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: took all the things that lived there and put them
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: in a pile right in the middle of that section.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: It would be small little piles, and there would be
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of sections that the pile. There was nothing
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: to put in the pile. And if you went down
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: to Tennessee and farmland in Tennessee and took all that
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: square mile and put it in the pilot, you'd have
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: a heaping pile. The pile of like a pile of
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: all like a tour bus. Yeah, like a crew bus.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Crew bus. Second to like a jungle even I feel
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: like only second to like a true john you know,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: like actually don't have that much life. We've come from
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: and you've heard a lot of vegetation, never two of
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: the congo. So we have the early explorers that went
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: and dit trips had that same thought and went down
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: there and got their butts in big trouble because they
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: just thought it was gonna be fish and just game everywhere.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I think moment just until are really interesting Southerners here
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: we are um I Tennessee. You can just support a
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: lot more that, you know, the habitat can just support
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: a lot more animals. We're talking about cows per acre
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: and uh Casey's father here said that it takes roughly
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: was it acres to support a counter calf for a year?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: And then uh Dan was saying that back in Tennessee,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: you can do that on one water. Yeah, makes them difference.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: And they were saying that, oh he said, well we
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: consider that irrigated. And I was like, there ain't no
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: piping water coming to my stuff. He was like, no, no,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: it's like rain. That was like irrigated by the rain. Good.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I think A good A good uh you know, A
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: good thing to get into to describe what we're talking
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: about too, is off the camera on this time that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: we've been here. I shot got to shoot a turkey
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: and we opened up that pouch. You know, dude, how
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: vibrant was that? Open that thing? And you were like,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: so keen on, like what's in there? Didn't one of
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: the camera guys just throw that on his plate? Left?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: But it was just grass pretty much? What was that
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: of the Russia non native plant? Again, a non native plant.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Sure that is spreading like Russian Russian. But when you
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: go to Tennessee, man that you cut that thing open
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: and it's got everything under the sun in there. Man,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: I mean there's corn in there, say corns in there's
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: grass in there, and there's you know, I mean the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: bird seeds remnants in one of my turkey's crawls. I
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: like that word craw I don't know what you'll call it.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Not a crop, crop crop, it's one of them them
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Yankee Yeah things man the border, Mason Dixon, you know,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: crop did us? We can communicate, Uh what's your you
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: guys could explain what you guys cooked to us there
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: at night cooked for us. Last night we did a
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: we had antalope backstraps called country fried an country Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: We we do a dredge of of milk and ah
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: buttermelon buttermel I'm sorry, don't give me no egg wash
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: and and just cut cut and a little backstrap to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: to to finger with and and we scored it last
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: night because the antelope hadn't had a ton of time
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: to to break down those muscles and be super tender.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: So we scored all the pieces and went into a
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: buttermilk dredge, and then we went into self rising flour
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: with a little tony saturies mixed in with it. Little kick, yeah,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: a little kids, and you throw that into a pot
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: of uh of canol ol. That's that you've got heat
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: it up or vegetable or whatever. If you're a fan,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: you not, you better not use that without us. By
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: the way, I'm be super pists artists. I'm going full artists.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Dang artist night. Um and then uh yeah we we
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: but shallow fry. You don't. You don't not like yeah,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: you don't always submerge, you don't dunk them in there.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: It's a flip fry. You know you're you're you're gonna
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: flip halfway through it. Um, we had that. And then
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: to top it off, we've made a little sawmill gravy
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: that uh that was passed down from Mimmy Mall to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: my dad and down to me and right p man
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: and I told the camera last night, like every time,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: you know, we would show up at my grandmother's house,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: my Mimy mass house, you would either smell one of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: two things. You either smell um chicken and dumplings that
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: she that she made, or Pall Malls that all you're
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: always smelling that. You're always smelling that um chicken and dumplings,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: or a big thing of gravy and biscuits and and
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: sausage and bacon and uh that's what we had last night.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: We just had a little Southern fried antelo with a
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: little saw mill gravy and and biscuits. Gray, do you
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: guys feel that you um like day in day out?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Do you guys feel like you're like, uh that you
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: eat southern pretty much? I don't know, Man's taco bell southern?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Consider that southern Southwest. We definitely grew up everything was fried. Man,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: we're growing up. I mean we dude, we've fried our chicken,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: our fish, you know. But but now, man, I think
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: we've we've branched out a little bit and they're trying
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: to calm the old cholesterol there a little bit. I
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: don't do you, I mean, do you consider that the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: only way for a country meal to be made is fried? Like?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would say, just like even eating country
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: is is a lot of chocolate pie round. I'll admit that. Yeah, Man,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's there's some Southern things. Yeah there's Yeah,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: there's a buch southern thing. Chocolate pieus southern. I mean
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: I would consider that pretty pretty Southern pumpkin pie for sure. Yes. Correct,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: let's say correctly, how do you say it will be?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Or Ellie, that's how we said it, I thought down
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: South to ye, I'd say both. Sometimes it's kind of
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: back and forth for me. This gets me into a
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: whole another segue that's very important. Oh please, man, I
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: was gonna ask you more about southern food from all
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: of our friendships, but we were talking about how we
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: all didn't ask each other different things. But this is
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: one thing I will be judging all of you upon.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go. So let me let me paint
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: the room for you. Here, we're in my bus, I'm
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: sitting on a nice love seat and Mr Patellis is
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: to my left, Reid is to his left, Dan Steve
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: torque clockwise, circle clockwise. So I'm gonna start with Johnnie
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: and go crappy or croppy, crappy, cross crappy, crappy, crappy, crappy. Brutally,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: we can't just like that, do you, Okay? If you
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: go to the room, you take a crap or a
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: crop crap? Right? It was, I mean there's two there's
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: not two peas and crap, and heard is not a fish? Sure? Also,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: so how does the Steve's an English guy? How does
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: the second pee change the vowel sound of an of
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: the a to an awe. Okay, Yeah, you put an
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: E on the end of the word, it would be creepe. Mhm.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: If you put a P, it's crop two crop, two
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: pieces crop. That's not know, that's not true because c
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: r O P doesn't have two piece. I don't really,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I would like to know, sap jokes.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that there's it's
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know that this question is I don't think
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: it's rule. I don't know that this is like rule dictated. Man.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a rule for it. Yeah,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there is either. You guys called crappie.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: That's what we would joke about. You guys call them.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: So this is a separation and even the Southern situation
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: because this is like this is like this is like
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: like oh miss Mississippi State. Yeah, yeah, this is like
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: like Florida Georgia game. Wait, where did your record come out?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Which one crappy? I'll go with crappy. I'll swamp right there, right, yeah,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: you know better together, it's not really no, I think
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: it's crappy. I think it's I think we'll just pull
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: and if you're listening to just cut and pull that
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: one crappy it is. Uh, tell people about this, Tell
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: people about the process of like how you guys, you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: guys hang out, You guys are like really good friends,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: right who us? Yeah, it's it's just your it's just
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: your first Um, this is the first single, is that right?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Our first single together? Yeah? Um? Where? Who? Who? Where? Where?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Did what was this? Tell the song and then tell
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: what the seed of the idea was, and so the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: song is called better Together. Um. It was written in
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: the summer of two thousand eighteen. I believe in in Boone,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: North Carolina, on a writing retreat, so I specifically going
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: to write, specifically going to right. That's usually how operated.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I'd take two weeks at a time, probably four weeks
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: a year and go and write the majority of my stuff.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm not quote unquote a lunch pale rider like
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: these guys. And where do you go to do it? Uh?
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I go to Boon, sometimes I going to Florida,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: sometimes at my house sometimes. But you clear the deck
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: and that's what's going on. That's it. There's no other
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: there's no press, there's no interviews. It's different guys. So
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: when I first started doing it, I would kind of
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: do so like, let's say I bring Stephen Torkin. That'd
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: be a good move, man, because I got some I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: got a couple of you. Okay, but give us a
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: little bit of uh, you can't work with. Oh it's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: a little it's a little hook I came up with yesterday.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with that. Thanks man. I
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: thought I didn't know what a hook was, and then
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: you explained it. So and I was, I said, I was.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I was yelling at the flip pop flash or about something.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like, Yeah, I think the flip Flop Flash
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: was lamenting that seth. Yeah, that's awesome. It was lamenting.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: We're skinning an antelope, and I feel like he was
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: lamenting not having something close right. No, he had gloves.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I thought the back half he did a tool of
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: some sort. Oh, no, you know what it was. He
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: was lamenting halving to do with me. That's what it was.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: I wasn't holding up that. I wasn't doing enough. You
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: weren't holding the was I wasn't doing it right because
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: I was talking with you, and I uh said to him,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I want to get this right because it's like a
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: pretty good hook. Think about it. I said to him,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: you gotta worry. You gotta work with what you got,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: not with what you wish you had, out with what
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: you wish you had. You So I'm developing this into
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: a hit. Well, it's not that I was hoping it
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: would be more of a country hip snap track. You
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: guys are kind of taking in a wild direction. You
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: gotta work with what So that's a hook? So who
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: um oh? Anyway, so yeah, so so you said, I
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: want to get to the hook. I want to going
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: through the whole damn deal fishing. There's a hunting and
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: fishing reference and there is there is the first thing
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: in it, the first thing in it. This is an
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: everything I want to get into. How did you guys
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: know that the engine should be a Johnson because we know, dude,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: come on, because it wouldn't have it can't be. It's
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: a hot sue. We don't have. We don't really have.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody really uses tots. I was pleasantly surprised.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: It's like when you're watching, um, this guy's selling a
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: short man, I'm I'm coming for D H. P. Johnson.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: If you've got a flat bottle boat to the South.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: You gotta evanud Johnson on that bitch used to well
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're making you still got one on there.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: You got about That's what I'm trying to applaud, meaning
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: um uh now and then I do want to get
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: back to the song, but I want to like applaud
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: the choice because uh lyrically, I thought it was a
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: stute because and I'm just curious, like where this stuff
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: comes from because now and then, like I might tell
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: me how much like carm McCarthy, the writer karmacarthy, because
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: he does his homework right when someone has like when
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: when someone like has a firearm or something, it's like
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: it's the firearm that they would have, and like it
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: makes sense. So every time he references something, um whatever,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: like something about someone's footwear, something about whatever, like some
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: detail like God, that's exactly like that's exactly right, um
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: and having a Yeah, I thought that the inclusion of
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: that it was a Johnson outboard. It was like listening
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: the Johnson I like, but I wasn't even there, but
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: it hasn't been all these Southerners run them damn Johnson.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: But it's like it's sort of you hear like if
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: someone having a Johnson gone and it's like, right away,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: it's an old ass engine that someone has putting a
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: lot of effort rebuilt the carbs at least eight times.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: It's like it's not running by accident anymore. It's running
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: because someone had to keep it running. So the inclusion
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: of having to be that, um I thought, I was like, IOK, IOK.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: It helps sell the authenticity. It set me in the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: right place. It's set me where I felt as though
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: I was in good hands there. You that what you
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: just described is what we as songwriters works so hard
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: to craft, is something undeniably honest, but pictures that not
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: only you can visualize, but tap into a little bit
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: of of life. You can go back to it. If
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: we can accomplish that and we can convey that. I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: mean that to me, that's that's the bones of a
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: successful Would you have been less there? If it was
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: an evan rude good question, it would have been nothing
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: would have occurred. I wouldn't have Uh, I wouldn't have
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: took note because it's more prevalent. No, I just would
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: have been like, uh, it feels more buzzworthy. It was
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: just like I wouldn't have, it wouldn't have brought me like,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: you know, there's that little bit the delight that occurs
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: when something's perfect. Last talk about the book, Um, I'll
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: take that I was telling you about. There's a great
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: book about the great planes called Planes in the Great Plains.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: The writer Ian Fraser describes a redtail hawk sitting on
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: a power line and he talks about that it would
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: fan its tail and he mentions that, uh, somehow he
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: draws as similar between someone working a deck of cards. Right,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: that's so beautiful. It brings like it's like there's like
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: a delight that occurs. It's a split scream and you
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: got to see him easily. So you know, had he
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: said some other anally or some other metaphor or some
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: other simile, it just wouldn't have clicked. So if you
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: had said, Evan Rude, I don't know, I've just been
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: like I would have been like, I wouldn't have thought.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Honest is a bit of a songwriter. He critic to
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: tell me about it days. He did dance me around
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: the flow Latvian dance to me last night. That's one
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: of the songs I wrote. Numbers number um back to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: back to the song so that I digress, but saying like,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: I took note of the Johnson mentioned, and I was
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: just pointing out that there are some like there are
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: some outdoors references in the song. And so you go
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: to the writing retreat. Yeah, go to writing retreat. We're
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: in Boone and Dan was there on that particular day,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: and our buddy Randy Montana was there as well. That
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: his birth name, no it's not his birth name, um,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: but that's the moniker that his dad is a Hall
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: of Fame songwriter who went by Billy Montana, and so he,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: you know, assumed that pseudonym once he went into songwriting.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think about went with Steve Fever?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Steve what Steve Fever? Fever? Steve Fever. It would feel
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: a little mushy stever. You know, like it would tell
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: like you were staying Steve Ever. Leave it to Stever
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: like that fever. Yeah, leave it to Stever. Um. But
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: now anyways, we're up there and and I think we
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: wrote the chorus that day and the first verse, so
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: that's what you start with. Of course we wrote course
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: first and no, it's just it depends on the day.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me the course of course can Yeah,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: you know, some things just go better together. If we're
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: gonna see it, we're gonna see it seeing it, man.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: But it's like we can listen to the song on
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: your local streaming service. Dan with like a d. H. P.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Johnson on his but but it's but that's the the
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: idea was like it was about things working in in
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: correlate and kep talking about that? Who was that? Where
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: was the beginning of that idea? Yeah? Who said? How
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: about it be about this? I do know this? So
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Randy Montana said, man, I got his hook and that's
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: we said, okay, what is it? He said, I got
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: this hook. It's just like we go together like good
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: old boys and beer. That's a bit much. What what
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: is what is that? As the chorus? Correct, that's the
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: hook of the song. Oh, to find a hook for me?
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: I think I misunderstood, man. So there's a conceit upon
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: which it's built. Not necessarily, there are many. It's consider
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: a country song a bit of a trot line. So
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: you have multiple hooks. The hook that got you forty h. P. Johnson. Oh,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: so you try to sprinkle those in now the main
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: hook of the song. If you're talking about that. That
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: is the ending Essentially, the ending line of the chorus
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: good old but like good old boys and beer and
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: me is long as you. Right. So the thing that
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: hooks in the chorus, and this thing that hooks you
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: is that up to the entire song, you have no
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: clue what we're talking about until the last line. That's
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: the first. That's another thing. That's another thing that I
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: found pleasure in you some chill. We're talking about the
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: song I thought was very flawed. No, who's that talking
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: about the flawed song with I didn't want to have
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: to be a friend you guys and then make it
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter. Oh you're talking about that is uh?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's my boy? Okay Campbell, No, no, no,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: you're talking about Elvi Shane. That's my boy. Where is
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: it the one where he's a step father? Now? No, nope, no,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not exactly that's boy, And that's not the same
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: thing in the first verse. In the first verse, that's
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: that's it's like the high school football game and his
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: kid kicks the ship out of some other kid and
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: he stands up in the bleachers like, that's my boy
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: that I described. How do you guys that know what
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I thought you'd pay attention to everything. Man, No,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I mean that, I mean all country songs. I mean
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: we only like, yeah, I probably just dissed. It was
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: the only thing being there's a there's a There's no
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: redemption in the reason I bring it up because I
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: never to the whole song. I'm waiting for the hook
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: to the whole song. I'm waiting for the payoff, right,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: and there isn't. And I feel that the payoff is
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be that he's painting the picture of this kid.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: There's his dad, and his dad is like absolutely loyal
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: to his son. He want his son, his son's wrong,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: he's loyal to him. I'm expecting at the end of
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: the song that it's gonna be something like he the
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: boy throws himself on a grenade in Iraq to save
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: his buddy or whatever which is or does like, and
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: he'd be like, oh, yeah, man, this dude like he's like,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: that's my boy, right or wrong, that's my boy. To
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: the verses is his kid goes down and and takes
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: a twenty two and whatnot, and goes down and shoots
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: up this other guy's property and all the kids come
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: home and the old man comes over. You know what
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. The old man comes over and he says,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: one of these kids shot up my property. And he's like, yeah,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: that's my boy. So I'm thinking in the end, the
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: kid's gonna do something like the heroic and payoff. That's
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: my boy. That's what I'm saying, man, that's my boy.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: But in the end it never had. The kids just
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: kind of steal an asshole and the song it's like
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: so when I'm it leaves as a listener. It led
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: to so much disappointment that me and mo families topic
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: all the time. Every time that song came on, we'd
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: be like, it just leaves me being like, but like
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: we thought that someone screwed up and they and they
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: left the verse off the track. Can we get back
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: to talking about Mars? Because here's the thing. I I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: got the pleasure, the pleasure that was denied me. You
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: got a bow. And that was when you're doing all
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: these like, uh, you're like all these things that are
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: like the match up, Okay, all these things in life
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: that match up makes sense. I'm like, okay, whatever things
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: in match up makes sense. And then also I'm like,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: oh ship man, like a like this dude and this
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: woman the country love so yeah. And so when you
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: finally go like, why is he telling me all this?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Why is he telling me all this stuff? That goes together?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: And then I register again that delight. If Stephen Ronnetto
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: was a trout and I was, and we were fly
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: fish and we're just back four, back four, we just
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: lofted that little fly out there strimping in a little
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: bit and I sipped it, You sipped it. I just
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: got you. We got you with forty H. P. Johnson.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: So I liked it. Thank you? No, I like like
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: lyrically like it's I like that it delivered me a product.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: And as a songwriter, you want that hook to be
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: that aha moment. You know, that's where this is all going. Yeah,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: And and that's even in the room. You know, if
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: somebody throws out a hook and and you want to say, well,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: what's that, what's the twist on it? Like, what's the
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: spin on it? What's it? What's gonna grab them? How
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: do we make that that aha moment? And there are
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: many different ways to get to that, sure, there are
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: many different approaches to get into that aha moment, and
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: it doesn't always have to be this whoa. If everything
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: was you know, it was the Butler moment, then you
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: it was Colonel Mustard in the study it man would
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: get pretty annoying, right, So I mean it's okay. Just
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: don't be afraid of songs that don't have the it
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: was the guy behind the curtain all time. I'm not.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of it. In fact, um, I want
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: to get back to you all this process. But uh,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: I like the films of David Lynch and what David
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Lynch toys with you. It'd be good to listen to.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: It would be good to watch as a songwriter. Might
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: be good to watch David Lynch movies because what David
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: Lynch messes with you often is your The whole time,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, where is it all leading? Like what's
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: the point? Whereas all leading? What's the point? And the
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: movie ends and you're like, damn me for thinking. They're like, yeah,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, but I think that's what he's showing you.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: He's like showing you and does the same thing to
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: the whole book. You're like, I can't wait till this
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: super evil guy gets his never happens. The book just
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: ends like the evil guys fine, like all the good
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: people are dead. Evil guy drives off into the sunset.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Do you think he's Do you think he's doing that
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: for your own imagination to continue the that process of
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: se I don't want that. I think he's doing it
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: to mess with you. He's doing it to show you
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: that you're a sucker. I want to bow on my
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: books or bow or my movies. Man, Yeah, and wrap
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: it up, you know what I'm saying. I will be
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: left hanging out like loose Malone. Remember the Remember at
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: the end of No Country for Old Man? I do
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: remember that. Yeah, he goes, there's like the one person left,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: the beautiful sweet girlfriend, but there's a bit of a house,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: and like hes out and checks the bottom of his
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: boots for surely to see if her bloods all over
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: his boots though he promised her he was gonna do it.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: Wasn't the end of the Sopranos like that, Like people
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: were all up in arms, like it was like this
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: guy comes into that. They're all sitting around the table
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: at the restaurant and this dude comes in and it
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: was just like you're like, oh, man, something's gonna happen.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: And then it was just like and that was just
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: the end of the whole series. I don't like that.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: I don't like that. I don't like to completely that
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: feels lazy to me. There's gotta be a certain enjoyment
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: for the creator of that, though, would be like, yeah,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: that's why kind of the slot to the fence there,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: because like I like to I like when that sale Sopranos,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: that thing goes down. I like to imagine what happens,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: you know what, But isn't it your job to tell
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: me what happens. I'm not watching your movie to imagine something.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: I'm watching it to see what YE like. If I
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to do that, I would have just done it
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: from the start. There's a cool story. I just thought of, Man,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: what a great ending story. When Dan told me the
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: story earlier that I can't I don't want to tell
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: the details about. But he told me the story that
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: included that happened to include his his night at the
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: camp fire with his wife, my joy in that story,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: it was primarily how excited I am to tell his story.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna tell the ship out of this story.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: Every time the subject comes up from this guy, I
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: got a right j I've got a Randy Montana into
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: North Carolina at the right trip. Yeah, he says that thing,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: and then that eventually works too. We're discussing I remember this,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: and you're in the room or not. Yeah, we're actually
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: sitting on a deck of a house in the mountains
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: looking over Grandfathers seven seventy degrees every day in the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: middle of the summer. There rainstorms three every day, but
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: it's it's awesome. So we're out there. Everyone's holy guitar,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: presumably just one guitar, probably just one. Honestly, you know,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: it kind of gets to be a bit of a
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: town hall meeting if there's more than If there's more
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: than one, everyone people you know what I mean, And
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, can we get some focus here? But anyways,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: I remember and I still have this. We sat down
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: ut a real crop. Sorry, who's holding the guitar? So
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: you don't get the hold it loop Sometimes it's ever
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: changing mmineering over. It's not no, it's more like I'll
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: be like and a lot of the times there's nothing
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: happening on the guitar. It's not like Dan's just sitting
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: there playing for three hours, four hours. It's like it's
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: like I'll sit there and I'm like, hold on, let
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: me get that real quickly, you know what I mean,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Like he'll pass it over to me. I'm sussing out
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: something in my own head. But I explicitly remember Randy
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: had that idea. We were discussing it and had landed
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: on the better together thing, and we were like, what's
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: the best avenue to approach this thing? And so I
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: sat down, I had my pen and paper and I
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: just wrote out a bunch of stuff that I felt
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: like I went together really well Johnson for in the
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Flat Bottom exactly. It was all these different things and
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: it was a list, you know, it was ten or
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: twelve lines long of just different things that I felt
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: like work together really well. And it was like, how
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: do we, you know, in a in a in a
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: clever way make all these things? Not maybe these explicitly,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: but this is I was writing with a guy named
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Charlie Worsham this past week and he had a great
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: analogy for it, as he says, I have to just
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: say these things and for everyone to hear him, because
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: he refers to in his fertilizer. It might be ship,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: but sometimes the ship is the fertilizer leads to the
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: growing of the common goal. And it was awesome, and
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: so he throws it. I'm so I'm throwing out this fertilizer,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: you know, of these different things, and then we're all
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: going and then it was almost like an explosion of like,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: oh well this and not and and this this and
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: and you know we how much times of laps at
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: this point a couple of hours, probably two hours maybe,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of coffee drinking, and you know,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: just kind of shooting the ship. And I do remember
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: specifically in the second verse, if I could take this part.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: I remember looking at Luke and being like, man, I
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: feel like this is the point where we start, because
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: we've cats out of the bag at this point where
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: on the girl being I said, well, why don't we
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: give the second half to them? And I said, is
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: there anything specific, like do you feel like you and
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: the cold dude that's kind of just very specific to
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: your relationship and he was like, no, ship, he goes, man,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: you know, whenever we go to town, she put your
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: license into my wallet. That was a great detail. And
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: whoa whoa. We were writting that down. I don't know
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: how we're making that fit, but we're making that fit.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: And immediately was like, your a license in my wallet
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: when we go out downtown. I said, anything else, He
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: goes or lipsticks all over my coffee cups. Next line
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: goes your lipsticks thing. Every coffee cup that I got
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: in this house I ought to put in. You always
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: move in my ship, in one cabinet to another, So
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: please stop. Your mother, for some reason, takes my really
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: good night. It cuts my kids grill cheese sandwiches in
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: a pan in a pan in the pan for some reason,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: for some unknown reason. But I think my favorite spot
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: of any song and I think, uh. And I don't
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: want to sound like I'm too my own horn here,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: but I I feel like my strongest points in my
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: songs are the bridges. The bridge of the song is
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: that's it's it's different from the verse in the course.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: You have your verses in your course, and you have
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: the spot that sits on its own melodically, structurally and
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: lyrically from the rest of the fort. You wrote this
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: by yourself, did you? But no, we wrote it in
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: in uh in the fire just educate people on this
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: because this is something that this is a concept I get,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: but I don't get. Can you take a well known tune? Okay? Sure,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: take take whatever song you think most clearly exemplifies, and
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: do you want your own or whatever the hell I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: mean where you're like, you're like like layout the like
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: how like how how a song could be structured? And
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: what function the bridge has? So I don't get that, Okay,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: So typically, for example, and better together the song we're
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: talking about, just for clarity, great, we'll do the first
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: verse is the forty h P. Johnson on a flat
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: bond a mental boat. And then that's the length that
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: it is. It's four lines or something. That's verse one.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: Normal structure is that's first one. Then you're usually right
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: into a chorus. Of course, don't bore us, get to
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: the chorus, as we always say. Then you write your chorus,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: which usually stays the same throughout the entire song, so
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: each time you're referencing back to that chorus, it correlates
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: with a verse, universal course, universal chorus. Then you're going
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: into verse two, which will be the same length and
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: melody as the first verse. They're identical in that sense.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Just the words are interchangeable, right, And so then you
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: hit your second universal course. You know, so you've got
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: you've got two minutes or two and a half minutes
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: of your song about at this point, and so then
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: you're probably going to go into there's there's one or
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: two options here. You're gonna go if you feel like
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: you've said everything that you need to say and in
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: that amount of time, you're gonna go with a straight
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: up solo. Tors on the strat, you know what I mean,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: working the fingers on that thing, dude, get in there,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: and then you're back to universal chorus. His weather, g
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: his weather, the guitar, stranded, fluted neck on that thing,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: you know. And and so if you feel like you've
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: said everything you need to say in that amount of time,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: you're going back into a chorus after that solo, and
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: then you're out. So the chorus sits in for the verse.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: What No, Well, there's not another verse because the verses
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: is where you're saying lengthier, wordier things describing what you're
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: talking about in the chorus generally speaking. And so if
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: you feel like you've said everything you need to say,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: you do another chorus and the song ends. Because there's
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: nothing sure, usually because you're trying to stay, you're trying
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: to stay usually in this three minutes, certain three to
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: four minutes, like three even getting smaller. Now yeah, now
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: it's getting That's that's what their mark is right now.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: When I first came to down, it was three forty,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: and then it went three thirty, with three fifty, it
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: with three minutes, and now we're sitting about to who
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: decides this number listener radio radio, just because fous Yeah absolutely,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: but so anyways, but if you haven't I said everything
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: that you want to say this after that second or us,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: you usually go into a short solo section, like a
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: half linked solo section, and then you'll go right into
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: what is we refer to as the bridge of the song,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: which is I'm not sure why it's called that different.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: The bridge is the gaps from it's supposed to be
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: a bit of a departure from a departure of what
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: you've listened to. Exactly, that's the bridge, right, nobody knew
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: what you were talking the bridge. But so essentially you
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: want a completely different melody, completely different lyric structure in
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: that small section of the song. It could be two lines,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: it could be four lines, it could be one line,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: but you wanted to contribute to the story. Absolutely, they
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: would not have any bridges in his songs. Yeah, because
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: he leaves your hanging after the second chorse. He just
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: rolled it around and be out of there, and you'd
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: be like, oh man, I feel like he was gonna say,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: did you say carmack er Paul Carmack? I said, Paul
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: mccar that's Paul McCartney's that's it. Yeah. But anyway, so
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: the bridge in Better Together. It's a normal structured tune
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: verse one chorus, verse two chorus, short piano solo section
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: because the song is just me and piano, and then
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: it goes into the bridge, which is so sometimes we
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: roll in water, but I wouldn't have in any other way.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: And if I'm being on this your first in my
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: last night, would you sound better together? The course? You
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's like a different thing. And
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: then it takes the song just from like, oh they're
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: a cute couple to like, hey trying that was I
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: gotta admit to you, I didn't get that until right now.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I thought he was saying like that he felt at
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: a time, Yeah, I didn't know of it was that
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: he had he was advancing and like now he's like
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: one like seal the deal. Yeah, absolutely, I thought you said, like,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I've always liked it and that's the way
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: it is. I didn't know he meant like I sure
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: would like this to happen. Yeah, And my thing, I
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: think delivers. I think that, and I think that maybe
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: triple deliver is like the juxtaposition of all the things
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: that go together. And then when you say sometimes we're
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: oil and water, like we sometimes we don't always get
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: along like we're not. Sometimes we have those moments where
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: we're very contentious, and but we wouldn't have it any
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: other way. Like you have to have that in a
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: good relationship. In my opinion, you have to tune starts
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: to make its own grave. Here's the thing. I pride
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: myself on sniffing the gravy out and I was missing
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: some of the grave. Only heard it one time and
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: the full version, you know, and like outside, you're not
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: getting the voice projection in the in the I didn't
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: catch the oil. I didn't catch the oil and water.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: I thought you were a bridge guy. I'm Richard. I
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: was getting hit. I was getting inundated stuff some roll song. No,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't catch that that lyric. I feel like there's
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: some famous rock and roll song where they actually call
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: out bridge and then it goes into that's like tenacious.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: I think that they do that. Yeah, I'll say this,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: that song it seems to connect so well with and
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: I kind of guts some kind of tip my own
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: forward here. But uh, a lot of it has to
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: do with the delivery, right, It's kind of a heartfelt delivery,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: especially on the album I played it for You Yarnest.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: Me and Yarnest were riding around listening to Spot Mantelope
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: and I actually played it for him. But it was
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: a piano ballad, right. And uh. The last show I
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: saw Luke play before Pandemic was rupp Arena in Kentucky.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Biggest show ever done there by the way, broke Paul
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: McCartney's record A very good. It was good guessing. It
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: was guessing to the level of hosting. So in the
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: midst of him playing that song, which he anchored with
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: when it got to the bridge, sometimes we're alling water.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't have it any other way. I look
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: around me and I see multiple dudes dropping and I
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: saw six couples get engaged. From where I was standing,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: there ain't no telling. I mean he saw no picture.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: I took pictures with them. So they're like, they've come
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: in preparation, but you haven't had the song hadn't released,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: so the problem was out and that song was out
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: into the world. And he's like, in case he does
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: this song, and I have no reason to believe he will. True,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: that's very true. That's very true. My buddy leaned up.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: He goes this guy wrote that. They're like, can we
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: get a picture? And I was like, I guess all right,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: So let's get back to the creation of the tune,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: because how how did is Randy on it? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: so he's one of the co he's one of the writers.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: He's one big family by the way. Yeah, so he's
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: in on it. Luke, you're in on it, Dan, you're
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: in on it. Anybody else get in there on it. Unfortunately, No,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: he's not. Even if he was more if he was
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: more like Machiavellian, he'd be uh, he'd be like taking
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: little swipes. He'd be like, yeah, really the song, I mean,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: you could have improved greatly with you know, it should
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: have been It's a hot super in that moment when
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: you guys are like, well, onto this idea and the
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: lyrics are coming and you've written down all the things
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: that go better together. Has music been introduced yet? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: cost core us was done already at that time, I
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: would say, and you can absolutely smash this. I'm not trying.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give myself credit in any form
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: of fashion, but I think my natural progression towards songwriting
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: comes from like a bit of a storytelling basic chord structure,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: which is extremely simple because I'm not a great guitar player, right,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: So literally we were just going one for one four
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: and that's and if if, if I'm gonna be a
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: part of a ballad, I'm gonna try to push that
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: simpleness onto the tune and onto the code writers. Does
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: that make sense? So the course was already done, and
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: I think I think I was just kind of like,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: what if we kept it extremely basic and let the
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Grizzly Bear vocalist smash it? Yeah? The Grizzly Bear vocalists.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, in my opinion, he sounds like a damn
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: giant line on stage, not a Grizzly Bear or grizzy bear,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: depending on what continent you're in, you know, to me
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: it would be a grizzly bear, leslie Bear, Apex, apex
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: predator for sure. Man, you mean you can't listen to
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: what you listened to last night and go that's probably
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: the best vocalist I've said ever. Set in front of CHESTERRK,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: I thought Chester did surprisingly well. Yeah, you know what,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: here's he hasn't even know the best part of it.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell listen real quick. So the Chester, the lester,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: he cut that out? What's his name? Phil Chester? Whoever?
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: Chester just got married? And Chester sang a song at
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: his wedding, and he just sang a love song and
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: didn't didn't properly intro it. So they generated some confusion
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: on part of the attendees who then a rumor spread
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: how Chester wrote that song and I would write the
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: song he role was and they made everybody cry, And
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: I can't believe Chester knew how to write such a
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: beautiful song. And Chess just got up and failed to say,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: like going by the way, this is a little number
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: written by so and so. So then he had to
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: go around, He had to go around like clarifying to people. Yeah,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: so in all honesty, you know, and last night Seth said,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: Seth told me or no Jester told me that. Seth
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: said to him, six months ago, would you have believed
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: that you'd be singing a song next to lout or
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: playing your guitar and singing next to Luke Holmes? And
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Chester said six months ago, I wouldn't have been able
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: to told you that I knew how to play a guitar.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool because he learned just too, like he
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: had to learn just to like at his wedding, which
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's like the cutest, sweetest thing in the world.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Literally said that. I want to go on record here
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: and say, if that guy has been playing guitar for
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: six months, how incredibly impressive that that was? Daggeringly impressive.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: It was. I'll say this, It was as impressive and
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: as as pressurized as me and you and Red cooking
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: dinner in front of these jokers. Man. I felt that
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: the night before, like why they were standing there whipping
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: up gravy biscuits and antelope and Steve's got his hands
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: in his pockets looking over the thing. I speaking a
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: little dust and then he goes too early, not ready
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: and I mean it's the same kind of pressure. Chester
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: gets up there in front of a guy that's got
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: nine number ones in a row, the biggest, hardest and
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: coaching music. Give me that guitar. He's like, I'll take
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: a swing at her and knocked it out of the park.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: That was great too, It was it was so cute
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: cut and again the reason I was celebrate like celebrating
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: him and is like instead of trying to be mr
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: like detached and can't be bothered the old lady right, yeah,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: just to hang it all out there serenader at a
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: wedding be like, oh, I don't know the old lady
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: one to have a wedding. So I guess I showed up.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: But we had a bit of a plan working all
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: day long to try to convince Chester to sing that song. Right,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: did you hear? You probably heard. We were in the
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: truck together with Chester. I was laying the groundwork to
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: ask him to play. But it was it was really easy.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of like a circle hook
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: like the kids looked himself. All I had to do
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: was really man and He's like, yeah, I'll play one
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: if you guys all that. I'm sorry I'll play one
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: if you guys will let me. I was absolutely chester
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: we would love to hear and heard you play Lady Maid.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: And he was like, well, I know what couple it
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't It didn't take much convincing that he was in.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: He was ready. That was really cool to see. I'd
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: like to formally extend to thank you to you guys
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: for having us. Uh, next time, maybe pair we with
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: somebody a little slower, um, less athletic, a little less honest. Uh,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: I'll take you honest every time. He's a classic guy
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: and uh man, I'll miss it down and look with
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: that guy all day long. Appreciate you having us. Great,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: you got Dandalope someone calling uh the nor need to
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: We don't need to tell people how to find Luke holmbs. No,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: just papagoo on it. Just hit scan and wait five minutes.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: There is you'll find it somewhere in the in the
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: amidst the air waves. But uh, brothers hunt Isabel Brothers,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: laid out, laid off people to locate you. Yeah, we
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: got a We're mainly probably based out of our instagram
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: right now on Facebook and you can go check us
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: out just Instagram. The Brothers Hunt, or Facebook the Brothers
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: Hunt and tell people of the Brothers Hunt. We've been
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: talking about the songwriting. Yeah, The Brothers Hunt started actually
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: on a porch at our deer camp in West Tennessee,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: and and we were sitting there just kind of talking, um,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: kind of going over the scenarios of of what we
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: do and and and how we're This affinity for hunting
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: out west is becoming a thing for us and and
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: our our dad. You know, he's such a fan of
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: staying home and hunting the white tailed deer. It's his
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: favorite thing. He has no passion about coming out here.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: No no, uh, um, what am I trying to say?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: No want to come out here to the West and hunt.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: And so we were we were sitting on uh, sitting
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: on the porch just kind of talking about it, and
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: decided that, you know, if we were gonna go for
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: for this thing, that we were gonna go all in.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: And uh that was probably what five years ago, four
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: or five years ago, and since then the Brothers Hunt.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: Brand Is is kind of always thought I was gonna
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: have to choose between songwriting and maybe the Brothers Hunt
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: one day. But tell Steve how many girlfriends you've lost
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: over hunt. Yeah, every one of them except this one hopefully. Yeah.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: I mean literally two seasons gets them. Yeah, they can
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: make it through like a turkey season because you're kind
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: of in and out during the day. But then when
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: a fall comes, they would always they would always break
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: up with raid. Yeah for sure. Um. And so we
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: we started talking about the idea of of this thing,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: and it got to the point where we wanted to,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: you know, showcase hunting in in an ethical way, in
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: an ethical light, because we thought we were seeing a
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: lot of hunting portrayed in Ah, the gripping grand we
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: conquered this animal man and and and you know, we
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: we we deserve to do this, and and we feel
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: a different way and and the way we hunt more
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: privileged rather than deserve it. And uh, honestly a lot
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: of that was birth from being in the riding rooms.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget the prime example I have in this.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: We wrote with a guy from Australia. He's a good
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: friend of mine, wouldn't mind me saying this. His name
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: is Lindsay rhymes and uh, we're riding with an artist
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: and the artist was just tripping over what he wanted
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: to do. And I just could not get out of
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: his own way right, And so finally I was like,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: all right, man, I'm gonna grab some lunch out of
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: the out of the refrigerator in the in the break room.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back. And when I walked in, Lindsay
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: was in there, and I broke out a little baggy
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: that had I dice to tender loin and grilled it
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: and so it was a little nice, neat little circles
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: of dear tuner loin. Then when I broke it out,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: he went, oh, cookies and I was like, no, man, no,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: he's he's British. Well he's Australian. Was that no? No? No,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: that was good all right? So he goes, uh cookies
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: and I said no man, I said, dude, this is
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: dear tunlin. He was like, hey, go cookies. A yeah.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: He goes oh. I said, would you like one? He
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: was like, no, no, mate, I buy my meat from
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: the store. And so he didn't understand the concept of
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: how you could take your own me eat and with
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: a rifle or a bow and convert that into a
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: meal that you might eat the next day at work.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: It didn't even compute. He said, I like my meat
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: from the store, you know, and and reading I, we're
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: talking about that you know it's safe, yeah exactly, And
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: so reading I, we're talking about what we were like. Man,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: there are many people that we come into contact with
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: that uh that don't understand, even even in the country
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: music industry, that don't understand how how hunting translated lates
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: into food. And once we said well maybe we can
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: have we can use that platform, whether it be through
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: our artist friends or just the success that we have
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: and kind of helped turn people towards a more ethical
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: and responsible way to enjoy the outdoors and to enjoy
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: hunting specifically, UM and and and try to paint a
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: little more accessible light on uh being able to to
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: turn your fashions and you're and you're hunting into some
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: some pretty damn nice table fair and and through that
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: and through that filming that we were doing, and we
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: started filming all our hunts and out west and putting them,
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: you know, into thirty minute YouTube videos. We were doing
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: that to to you know, what Dan's speaking to, but
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: it turned into us getting comments on YouTube and messages
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: on Facebook or Instagram about guys who who have lost
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: touch with her brother or or or hunting buddy or
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: a dad and and they loved watching me and Dan,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: you know, communicating the way we you know, we hunted together,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: and that the camaraderie that we had in camp, and
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: we we just started getting tons of messages of guys going. Man,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: just from watching you guys, it's gonna make me reach
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: out to my brother and and I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: reach back out to him and I'm gonna try to
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: get a trip because his balls and two years. Yeah,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: probably that's a lot of it. You have seen it. Man.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: We're pretty rough on each other, but I mean it's
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: it's all I love and yeah, yeah, And that's that's
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: become the coolest part of the us for for me
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: is is being able just to do what we do,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: but but being able, just like a song man, to
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: to speak to somebody you know, and and and try
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: to try to maybe inspire someone to to get out
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: there and do it a little more often, maybe do
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: it with some some people you love. Uh. And then
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: if they want to hear this is the hard part.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: That's the hard because you're a songwright and know people
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: do you guys stuff, How do they hear? What if
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: they want to go hear you do something. I mean
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: they catch a show. Otherwise we kindly keep it locked up.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: Lunch pail man, lunch pill, lunch pilch Papa. Al Right, guys,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: it's fun man, than I've had such a good time
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: for sure. We haven't laughed as much on a shoot
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: and uh quite some time, long time. Yeah, we were
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: talking about last night and you always coming into these
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: camps or hunts, you don't know what to expect because
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: you've never met these people and who you're hanging out with.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: And me and Toork talked about it, but there's not
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: been best friends. But what's pulled apple? That's how five
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: right now? They've been high five in a week because
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: we'ven killing ghats with each other all week. I was
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: tell him, I don't know, this is my this is
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: my final concluder. Uh, I was tell him. I think
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: I was sharing this with Luke the other day. I
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: was saying, like, if Americans like one story, if they
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: like to know what an asshole of celebrity is, the
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: second favorite stories when they learned like how great celebrity
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: really is that order. My wife's like, what are those
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: guys are? Like? I said, man, these guys are great. Yeah,
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: said She's like really like she was glad to hear it.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: She she wasn't like, oh, dude, I have to say,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: I have to say. I want you to tell me
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: a story about the horrible Luke homes. She was really
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: loves you, dude. Oh good, she loves the show. Shoot
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: me your number. Man, She's gonna finch big fans. Man.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: I mean this is so cool for us, Dude, we're
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of out of I can't. We
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: kept saying that the whole way over. We were like, yeah, man,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: it it's almost been like a little shell shock because yeah,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: about Steve being a hardass when he came Dan Steve, Steve,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: they were like ghosted us us, he artists us for
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: sure to work on manform. Listen, man, I I view
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: it that you were guests, that we're trying to lay
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: something out, and I was immediately very interested in just
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: making getting the land land and everything's everything's good and
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: lined up. It was so I got that, Okay, this
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: is cool, everything's cool. Then I was I was ready
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: to tell you about the southan what's really going on
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: in the South. Great, I've had a great time on
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: this trip. Last time, I was on the what was
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: it the expensive podcast? The name of it when we
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: announced the weather Be Media exactly, Yeah, and it was
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: awesome to very expensive podcast, very expensive podcast episode. Yeah.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: So hell of a rock which and now a couple
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: of months later, you guys all using that rifle down
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: some great animal phenomenal ride for fun weeks. Dude, I'll
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: hunt with that rifle for thanks for sending them to us.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Thanks for everything. Weather Be six five Media Edition.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: Drop a goat. That's tracks the third time? Read did it?
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: That's right? Airball challenge dude? Read one, Dude, I shot
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: dance gun. I was shooting high. It was shooting huh
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: but my alright, let's go eat some Mandlodle's man. Thank you, hey,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: thank you guys for guys head blast