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Ep. 132: I Hate This Haunted House · We Are More: Sisters Talk Faith & Feminism

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  Speaker 1: To the We Are More Pod cast. My name is Alyssa. And my
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  Speaker 2: name is Bree. We're two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. We believe
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  Speaker 1: that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach his word. And apparently, that's controversial. Get comfy.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, world. Happy Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually after Halloween for them.
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  Speaker 2: It's Halloween for me.
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  Speaker 1: No. I lied. It's before Halloween for them.
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  Speaker 2: This is going out tomorrow. We are so behind, folks. I would say that, oh, is just crazy, but I think the problem is we're just lazy. There's that. But also, life has run away from me.
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  Where did it go? I I am
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  Speaker 1: so behind on everything. Are you guys feeling like this right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Because I have three weeks worth of laundry I'm looking at right now.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this is the time of year where people are Christmas shopping, and they're getting ready for the holidays and whatever. And I'm over here running at full speed and feeling like nothing is getting done.
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  Speaker 2: I am slowly starting to shop for Christmas purely because of TikTok shop. And that's terrifying. Because I'll wake up at... Picture this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: It's 01:45 in the morning. Oh, yeah. What business do I have being awake? I like to sleep. But here I am scrolling on TikTok, and then I forget by the next morning, and all of a sudden, you have an advent calendar of squishy dumplings coming to your house.
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  Speaker 1: You bought an advent calendar of squishy dumplings?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: did. I've done that, and I was sitting there thinking, this will be a fun surprise for myself.
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  Speaker 2: I bought dumplings, and I bought a queen-size blanket. Why? It was on sale.
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  Speaker 1: See, we're very different because I've been... We're both shopping on TikTok shop. It's a big problem. Do not do not start down
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  Speaker 2: this It is the QVC of our day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. It's... But it's so much fun. Like... And stuff will be a dollar or $2 or something like that.
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  And it's probably not a super ethical thing to buy. No. But your brain goes, oh, I need that, and I have to get it in the next ten seconds, or it's gonna be gone forever.
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  Speaker 2: Not like you couldn't comment and be like, bring that back, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No. I absolutely could. But it's it's rough. But I've been buying, like, jewelry and rocks. And it's mostly jewelry and rocks, if I'm being honest.
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  Speaker 2: Me too. And then I found that they sell Crocs on there. So I bought some Crocs. And then I bought some socks to go with my Crocs. Obviously.
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  Then I bought a blanket and dumplings and some more rocks. Rocks, socks, Crocs.
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  Speaker 1: Hey. At least you've got that going for you.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Halloween episode of Play More.
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  Speaker 1: Where we talk about our shopping addiction. We actually had a thought of what we were gonna start this episode with, and here we are
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok shop. Well, happy Halloween, and then go vote. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what we were gonna talk about. If you are in The United States, next week, next Tuesday, is voting day if you haven't already voted early by mail or in person. And it is so important with the political situation that we are in to go vote.
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  Speaker 2: I just really feel like you don't have an option Mhmm. Not to. If you're gonna be able to stand there and complain about gas prices Mhmm. Or if you're gonna be worried about whether you have the right to vote next year or not go vote. Yeah.
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  It is your ethical responsibility to circle in some dots. Yeah. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: think, we talk... It's not like we try and not be political on this podcast. You are
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  Speaker 2: very well aware
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  Speaker 1: of what we think. So I'm not gonna be politically correct here. But I think if you choose not to vote, you are saying, I agree with what this administration is doing. I'm okay with two more years. Our vice president got up and said, just give us two more years to show you what we can do.
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  Well, I've seen the last two years, and I saw four years four years prior to that, and I don't want two more years. So go vote. It's critically important. It is important to you. It is important to your neighbors, to your children, to your community, to the people that you say you care about.
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  Speaker 2: And I think especially as women. Mhmm. Practice your right to vote. Yes. While you still have it.
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  Speaker 1: Women fought so hard for this right. Brie and I... Think we talked about it. Went and saw a musical called Suffs maybe six months ago? Something like that?
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  Eight? I don't know. Something like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to say.
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  Speaker 1: The other day. And it's all about the suffragist movement. And these women that fought were imprisoned. Some died to give us this right to vote. And we are incredibly blessed to be in a position and in a country where we can, at least for now.
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  And you should exercise that.
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  Speaker 2: You have a voice. Mhmm. And if you choose to tape it shut, I will hunt you down, and I will gut you like a fish.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Halloween episodes. I worry that lawsuits will be forthcoming. But anyway, try
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  Speaker 2: to catch me. Saturday... So you'll be
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  Speaker 1: hearing this on Thursday. Saturday is Halloween. And last Halloween... Last year was the year of the holidays. Thursday fell on.
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  Like, I mean, obviously, it's always Thanksgiving, but, like, Thursday was all the holidays last year. So you heard us on on the holidays. But this year, it's Saturday. So last year, we did a haunted house, a walk through a haunted house. And this year, we thought, just waking up and walking out the door feels like a haunted house.
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  But we'll try and do the same vibe because I thought it was super hilarious and fun. I hope you did too if you have been here that long.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll be honest with you. What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna be as a surprise to me as it is to you.
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  Speaker 1: That's always comforting for us all.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long week. It's been a long year. It's been a long life. Life is long life is long, man. Alright.
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  So let's walk into
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  Speaker 1: our haunted house, shall we?
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  Speaker 2: Wow. That was the sound of a door. It wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Alright. So you're walking up the spooky steps. Right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we we're already in the door.
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  Speaker 1: No. The door has opened to nothing. Oh. We walk up the stairs. Ready?
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  Are your eyes closed? Are you imagining with me? Yeah. Alright. So you're walking into the hallway.
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  There's there's a scary, old, moldy carpet. There are mice running in front of you. No one has set a trap. It's really upsetting. Yeah.
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  And then you walk into the homeschool room.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That sounds right.
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  Speaker 1: And you walk into the homeschool room, and there is a woman up front teaching. She's in a prairie dress. Okay. Think those prairie dresses that came in from Target, like, two years ago. Right?
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  Yeah. She's standing there, and she's teaching out of
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  Speaker 2: a
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  Speaker 1: Christian curriculum that denies all the science. And it also... Every subject somehow talks about how men are the head of the household, and it makes it sound like, oh, this is such a wonderful thing. Little girls, isn't your father such a wonderful protector? And your mom is just sort of sitting there.
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  Speaker 2: Or just the subliminal messaging of, like, a story problem. Mhmm. Mom goes to the store to buy food for dinner. Mhmm. Not dad.
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  Yep. Mom goes to do this. Dad's at work. Dad does this. It's insidious, especially...
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  So we
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  Speaker 1: were homeschooled for three years, four years? Four years. And I don't feel like we really ever got caught up in sort of this homeschool culture. But we certainly knew people who were.
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  Speaker 2: Because we had to be socialized,
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  Speaker 1: so we were part of groups. And you saw these kids, and they were exposed to nothing outside of the homeschool room And their mom and dad and, like, this tiny insulated community, and they never learned anything outside of that. And it is insidious because the curriculums that you purchase, because a lot of these people... A lot of people that homeschool tend to be religious. I'm not gonna say that's, like, a universal thing, but it happens a lot.
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  Right? It's a big overlap. And so they will buy these Christian curriculums. And most of the Christian homeschool curriculums are coming from hyper conservative sources, which means you are getting silly little things that you think are just going over their heads.
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  Speaker 2: Mhmm.
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  Speaker 1: Where it says, and your dad is the leader, and your dad teaches you about God, and your mom makes dinner, and whatever, and you think it's going over their heads. I can tell you from personal life experience, it doesn't go over their heads. It sneaks into the little cracks in their brains.
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  Speaker 2: Well, even the way that a son respects his father Mhmm. But looks down at his mother. Mhmm. Or the same thing for a daughter. A daughter has less value.
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  The things that she's interested in are frivolous and pointless. The sports that the son does are important. The family makes time to go to those. Like, it's just little things like that. And I also think there's something to be said for definitely protecting your children when you can protect your children.
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  Mhmm. But you also have to prepare them for the world. And by that, I mean teach them to be kind Mhmm. No matter what. Teach them to be good and kind and live like Jesus towards everybody.
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  Right.
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  Speaker 1: And how can they do that if they only interact with four different people at any Right. So when we homeschooled... And I don't think that this was in any way intentional, but just these little things that kids catch that you don't think they're catching. So our mom was the teacher. Right?
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  Because she was home with us, and that was normal. Our dad, they called him... My my parents said he was the principal.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that they meant anything by it. I don't think it was like, oh, well, dad's in church. Because that's not how our parents have ever been. But my brain, because my brain was exposed to this very patriarchal church culture through our churches, said, okay. That means dad realistically is in charge here.
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  Dad is the top dog in this scenario. Like, that's what my brain learned. And I don't think they meant anything by it. But because I already had this background knowledge, that's what I remember of that. That stuck for me.
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  Speaker 2: And it could be because you went to school for longer, so you knew that setup. Yeah. You understood, like, principal in charge, you're gonna get a whooping.
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  Speaker 1: I did go to a Christian school, and they did spank kids. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I only went to kindergarten there, so I wasn't as exposed to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just... It's these silly things that you have to be really careful of. And I think for kids in any kind of school, you have to be aware of what they're learning. But in homeschooling, I think you think this is I'm right here all the time.
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  This is the best thing for them. And realistically, little messages are still getting in. Mhmm. Alright. So you've listened to the lesson.
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  You're thoroughly horrified. You're ready to puke in the corner. But unfortunately, oh, oh, ah, you get kicked into the hallway. Ow.
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  Speaker 2: Jumping off of the homeschool, have you heard of the book? I think it's called Yesteryear. Mm-mm. It's about a woman like a trad wife. Mhmm.
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  And somehow gets transported back into Oh, this is the one that... Anne Hathaway.
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  Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway's gonna be in.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So somehow, she gets transported, and I haven't read the book, transported back into actual times where she has to live as a as a real tradwife. So she's milking the couch, she's churning the butter, she's doing all the things. Open the door with me.
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  Speaker 1: Alright. The door is creaking.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going into yesteryear. Oh. We're going into the home of a trad wife. Oh, dear. And you have to hand make each piece of cereal.
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  No. For all of your kids. And then after that, just after your bones are breaking and your hands are bleeding from rolling out the dough, which is what I assume cereal is made of, your husband comes in or a husband comes in, and he says, Where's my freaking lunch? I need to take it to work. My wife makes my lunches, and it needs to be a healthy, balanced meal.
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  So now you have your broken bloody bone hands. And you need to find a way to make this man a sandwich. But unfortunately, you don't have bread that you bought from the store. Now we have to make some sourdough, and your sourdough starter is dead. So now what are you gonna do?
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  You have to go talk to your neighbor. She's judging you. Because her sourdough starter is thriving. Thriving. And so you have to borrow some sourdough and then you realize, my gosh, this is gonna take all my life.
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  And this husband is so, so angry and he's yelling at you. And all of a sudden you realize you don't even have a few kids. There's 12. Because birth control is not allowed. And you're pregnant.
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  So finally, a way to... You find a way to make this man his lunch. You've paid off the bread. Got it. He's doing.
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  Your kids, you're homeschooling your kids, you're sending them back to that other room. And now you have to, uh-oh, you're cleaning duty now. Because you're also a maid. And, you know, your family gets upset with you. So you're vacuuming, you're scrubbing, you're cleaning.
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  Oh no. Oh no. You have to start dinner. Yeah. Because that has to be ready.
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  So now you have to start dinner. And then after you're done with dinner, have to go bathe all your children because they're incompetent. And you have to help them with their homework. And then also I thought they were homeschooled. They they have homework that they do outside of homeschool.
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  Good gracious. Mhmm. They're working on a project. Sure. Makes sense.
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  And you have to oversee the project. But they also have sports because you have to socialize them. And your husband comes home and he's sitting on the couch. And he's watching a sport. A sport, yes.
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  Mhmm. Mhmm.
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  Speaker 1: Are you with me? I'm with you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. You've grown 17 gray hairs out of the top of your head. At least. Your husband's had his dinner. He's chilling out on the couch.
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  He asks you for a snack. So now you have to go
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  Speaker 1: Hand make some Skittles. Have you seen that girl on TikTok?
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  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. You're hand making the Skittles. Your kids are working on their project. They're overseeing that. You're finishing up the dishes from whatever.
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  You're doing three loads of laundry because your husband doesn't have a work shirt for tomorrow. He doesn't know how or where the washer is.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't know how the washer is.
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  Speaker 2: He hadn't asked it how I was doing for the day. He goes to bed. Your kids are in bed. You're still cleaning. Now it's 2AM.
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  And you finally get to go to sleep, and your alarm goes off in three hours.
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  Speaker 1: And also, you're pregnant, so you can't sleep on your back, so you're uncomfortable and you roll in. It's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Womanhood. Yeah. And then you feel so frazzled. You have contacts in your eyes that are four days old. You haven't showered.
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  You don't know when's the last time you showered. And you don't have any clean clothes because you're worried about your family. Now you look disgusting and you stumble back out into the hallway. Oh, dear.
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  Speaker 1: Alright. Well, you've... Oh. Oh. Ah.
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  You've stumbled into the hallway. I encourage you to go back and listen to last year's Halloween episode right before listening to this one.
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  Speaker 2: Wonder if it's really similar to this, because I don't know what I said.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know repeatedly we said, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So you're very pregnant. Right? So busting at the seams. Disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So you're very pregnant. And you conveniently stumble Oh. Into another room, and it's a maternity ward.
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  Speaker 2: Ah. There's so many children. It's a good
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  Speaker 1: thing you have one of these in your house. Now, you walk in there, and you're miserable. Right? You're gigantic. You haven't slept in forever.
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  You're disgusting because you haven't showered. Can't reach to shave down there. Things are bad. Bad things are happening. Weird.
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  And you walk in, and you're crying, and the nurse comes up to you and smacks you in the face. Oh. She didn't ask for that. She says, Pregnancy is a blessing. You can never be upset.
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  You can never be in pain. Every pregnancy is a blessing.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen birth. I haven't done birth. But I've seen it. It is not a blessing. And
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  Speaker 1: people are there. They're telling you, well, this is because Eve sinned first, and so you will have pain in childbearing. And they're praying over you, but it's like those really sort of rude things like, ugh, God.
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  Speaker 2: Help her sweat less.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Could you give her less pain because her screams are annoying me? And your husband's not there because why would he be there?
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  Speaker 2: Why would he bother? He's still eating his homemade Skittles.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the problem. Your 12 other children are there, and they still need you to care for them even though you're midst labor. Ew. You can't get an epidural because we don't trust modern medicine
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  Speaker 2: Mhmm.
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  Speaker 1: Even though we're in a hospital. Mhmm. But we're also... Home birth hospital, because, you know, you're still in your home. And you also can't get birth control after this, as we discussed.
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  They don't allow birth control. There's signs everywhere Not saying no birth allowed Tylenol. And you have no rights to tell the doctor anything or decide anything for yourself without your husband there.
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  Speaker 2: This sounds like Handmaid's Tale. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And your husband isn't there. So you're basically there. You can't ask for medication. You can't ask for, birth control. You can't ask for anything.
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  You're there. You're in pain. You're being prayed over. None of it's helping. And that's the maternity ward.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like this visual. I hate this haunted house. It's really scary.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing is, I think we, as Christians, especially as voting is coming up, we were told that we need to vote based off of one issue, based off of reproductive health. And first of all, that's utter crap. None of this is a one vote or a one issue vote. There are many issues going on. But reproductive health is a vast issue with about a million different facets that need to be considered.
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  And so when you say, I'm going to give up the rights to my reproductive health to the government
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  Speaker 2: Mhmm.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't that far off. No. Because there have already been discussions about limiting access to birth control.
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  Speaker 2: Limiting access to birth control and then giving you extra money and encouraging you to have more babies. Mhmm.
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  Speaker 1: There are women dying in parking lots because they are having miscarriages, and to go get that dealt with is considered abortion care.
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  Speaker 2: Or there was a video that I saw the other day. She already miscarried. She has to go to the doctor, like, every couple of days or something to get a new scan. They already know that she's miscarried. But they have to prove, like, a certain amount of times or something that it truly is not growing.
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  Mhmm. Otherwise, they could get in trouble for, like,
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  Speaker 1: infracting Yeah. An It's it's wild that we have taken this and said, like, oh, this one really extreme case that I disagree with... Most people will say, I disagree with late term abortion. Okay. But what about all these other women?
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  What about all of these other circumstances? This is a nuanced issue that we need to discuss, and the government should have nothing to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: Or the head of the Female Health, whatever group, is a man now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in the Supreme Court that decided is mostly men. So it's just you have to be very careful who you allow to tell you what to do with your body. So that was my soapbox. One of them. I I have many a soapbox.
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  I'll get on another one later. Maybe. Alright. So you give birth. Now you've got 13 kids following you around.
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  The the one has to be carried because it was just born. And you got kicked right out of the hospital because you don't have insurance, and they don't want you there anymore. So now you're in the hallway.
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  Speaker 2: And the hallway is gross and weird. And there's mice. There's mice. Here's a real life experience.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: There's no door on this room because we have to have some variety. How do we get in? It's a curtain. Oh, alright. You pull back the curtain.
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  And we're in a circle. We're sitting in a circle. There's one light. It's kind of dark. Okay.
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  And it's just a bunch of women sharing their stories. And there's one man, and he's the moderator. And women are saying, Hey, I've been thinking about getting a tattoo. It's really meaningful to me. It's gonna represent X, Y, and Z.
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  And the man goes, tattoos are unattractive on women. I don't think you should do that. We're not gonna do that. And then another woman shares her experience of pain in childbirth. Maybe that was just you.
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  Oh, yes. It ripped me open. I nearly died. Stitches and all. They pulled my uterus out of my body and shoved it back into me.
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  And the man goes, I don't think it's that big of a deal. And it doesn't take any talent to birth people, and women are just people that people come out of. And then one woman says, hey, my husband doesn't want me to have access to any of our finances. He thinks that I'm too frivolous with money, so he's removed all of my access to all of my finances. What do I do?
• 24:59
  And the man says, no, that's exactly what should be done. You should have a monthly allowance. This is what God would want. God would want this. Oh, and also a couple of women say like, Hey, there's a predator that we know of in the church.
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  So we should probably bring this to someone's attention. Should we call the authorities? Because this is a big problem for our children in the church. And the man goes, No. Because you don't want to make people question the church.
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  So we'll take care of this internally.
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  Speaker 1: And you would never wanna impact his faith.
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  Speaker 2: You never wanna impact his faith, so we'll see him at church next Sunday. And maybe he'll make an apology from the stage, but that's as far as it goes.
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  Speaker 1: And if you stop attending church because of this person, we're going to assume your fault here and tell you, oh, well, we're praying for you and your crisis of
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  Speaker 2: faith. Mhmm.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That sounds like all things that have been said to either us or people we know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure every single woman can think of 10 just from yesterday. Mhmm. Yep. Circumstances where she interacted with an ignorant man. Especially if you go to
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  Speaker 1: church or if you're a woman on the Internet. Yeah. Alright. So the next room is in this room. Oh.
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  Inception. It's a room in Inception. Is there a trapdoor? No. There's a little...
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  Think... What's it called? I think a rectory is what it's called in a cavity. A rectum. When you go and confess to the priest.
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  Oh, okay. Confession?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So so
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  Speaker 1: there's a priest in there. We never really get to see him, but we know it's a man. Okay. And all the women are sitting in this circle. Right?
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  Sort of off to the side being moderated by this man. But then there's a line of men going in and speaking to the priest and coming back out. Right? And you start to recognize some of these men. You're like, oh, that guy, he's kinda sketchy.
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  I don't really like him. And then when they come back out, they start shaking the hands of other men, and they're all happy and whatever. And then you see a little sign on the front that says, all men forgiven. And turns out what's happening is all of these men who are doing horrible things to women walk in, get forgiven by the priest, and walk back out as though nothing has happened. Ew.
• 27:33
  Yeah. And I want to talk about a particular story here. I know we're talking a lot about American politics today, but that's what's going on in our world right now. So if you aren't in The US, you may not have heard this story, but the... There's two people running for governor of Ohio,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: which Ohio. Ohio. Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Continue. Alright. So there's a woman named Amy Acton, and she is running on the Democratic ticket for... To be governor of Ohio. Ohio currently has a Republican governor.
• 28:12
  And the man she's running against, his name is Vivek Ramaswamy, and he is running as the Republican. Now she is favored to win. She's been favored to win for a long time, but she has kind of a tragic story. And so, basically, she was abused, sexually abused by her stepfather when she was a child. She was also abused by her mother and stepfather in general when she was a child.
• 28:41
  And it was to the point where her and her brother were taken away from her mom. Her stepfather was indicted for the abuse and then went on the run, and her mom went with him. So mom sided with stepdad, went on the run, said her kids were liars. Right? So Amy hasn't spoken to her mom, and she said fifty years.
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  Okay? So her opponent went and dug this woman out of somewhere. She doesn't look like she's doing super well, the mom. And put her on a commercial where she says, my daughter is a liar. My daughter is a liar.
• 29:21
  You should never believe her. You should never let someone like that be your governor. And he put it out as a commercial. Right? And then when people were like, hey, bud.
• 29:34
  She followed a convicted sex offender and her children were abused. You might not wanna do that. He doubled down and put $4,000,000 more behind this campaign. And then the vice president came out and campaigned for him, and then the president came out and campaigned for him. So when you're surprised that women are scared to speak up, this is why.
• 30:01
  Because even though it was a child, even though it was fifty some odd years ago, we assume she's the liar. We assume Amy's the liar. Like in the
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy case, which I'm sure if you've been watching the news or any kind of TikTok you've heard about, she was accused of unaliving her children and then trying to unalive herself. But she ended up surviving. And all of the evidence that I'm seeing is pointing towards there's no real way that she could have done it. But they're assuming that she did it because her husband said Mhmm. That she confessed to him.
• 30:50
  And they are taking that as gospel truth. Yep. Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Well, men almost walk into every day, walk into life with this assumption of... I'm sorry. With this assumption of rightness, of power, just by just by being born, having the genitals that they have. And it it pops up everywhere. It's everywhere.
• 31:20
  It is in the church, but it's all over the place too. Especially right now, there's just an assumption that they are a little bit more right. And we have to fight against that in every way that we can because I have also been in a scenario where with a church, well, we just have to forgive him. We just have to forgive him. You don't wanna get in the way of his faith.
• 31:46
  And even though I'm telling you this story of what happened to me and other women are coming and saying, yeah, that that person has always made me uncomfortable. I've always felt like they were looking at me, like they were cornering me, etcetera. We're gonna assume his innocence even though three people are coming forward with things. We're gonna assume without even having a conversation with him his innocence. We're gonna assume that you're not telling the truth.
• 32:20
  Person sitting and staring at me.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And that's womanhood. Mhmm.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And it is a whole haunted house on its own Because this seeps into every part of life. When you tell men, you're gonna be forgiven no matter what, especially in religion. We've talked about kind of that pipeline before of abusive men into faith journeys. Mhmm. And how oftentimes, like, celebrity men, we see this happen a lot, where they are taken to court or they are...
• 32:57
  You know, it comes out that they're very abusive. And then all of a sudden, find God. And they're in church, and yay, they're so holy. Or look at our president Right.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Who never, I think, identified as a Christian before. And in fact, he came out and said the Christian people are the easiest to manipulate. So I'm going to claim to be a Christian so that I can manipulate them.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, saying there's no way I'm getting into heaven. Yeah. Wild. Wild times. Alright.
• 33:27
  You got kicked into the hallway again.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Ow. And I'm skidding on my butt. Mhmm. Oh. This is a fun one.
• 33:34
  Inappropriate for the time of year Mhmm. That is nearly upon us. Upon us. You walk into a grand ballroom. Mhmm.
• 33:44
  It's big. There's a couple of tables at the front. They're asking for your voters registration, whatever. Your ID. Are you allowed to vote?
• 33:52
  Okay, cool. And there's two different lines. They say, Oh, women, you go over there. And men, you go over here. Mhmm.
• 33:59
  So you're getting ready to vote. You have looked up all of, like, the ballot for your area online. You know who you're gonna vote for. You've educated yourself on who you're voting for. You're prepared.
• 34:11
  You didn't bring a pen because they have a pen. You've taken time away from work. You've skipped your lunch so that you don't have to run across town in the middle of the night to go vote. And you're allowed to vote. Sure.
• 34:30
  You go up there. They give you your ballot. You fill it out. You hand it back to them. And they burn it if you're a woman.
• 34:39
  And then the men's go into a regular, you know, ballot counter. Womanhood. I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: think this speaks so much to this whole one family vote thing that we keep hearing about. And every time I post about it on the internet, people are... It it astounds me how many people are like, no, that's how it should be. Because you think it's like this niche thing that no one really believes.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like the same as rebranding patriarchy into complementarianism. Right. You think they've kind of like put some frosting on it to make it seem like this is reasonable. Mhmm. This is good.
• 35:22
  This is how God would want it. It's not that the man has the vote, it's that the family has the vote. It just so happens that the man has to go cast that vote.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Right. And he's basically gonna decide. And it's it's the same thing as they will say for complementarian marriages. The argument you'll get from men is like, oh, well, a good leader listens to the people around him. So he's gonna take your thoughts and feelings into consideration.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Give me an example of a good leader. Right? Honestly. Jesus. Okay.
• 35:57
  Yeah. Yeah. I'll accept that answer. But seriously, that's what they will say. It's like, oh,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: well, I'll take your thoughts into consideration. Well, I'm a full complete adult. I don't need you to take my thoughts into consideration. I I have my own thoughts. Yeah.
• 36:13
  I've... They're right here. I'm good. I'm not half a person. And that's sort of how we get treated is I've only got half a developed brain.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Mhmm.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And I need you to complete the rest. That's actually why I don't like to say, of my marriage, oh, my husband's my other half. Because the connotations there. I am a full and complete person. And he is a full and complete person.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: And you choose to live life together. Mhmm.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Till he annoys me enough.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: And then you send him to the store.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Alright. So... Hold on. Kick me out.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I grab your hand. Because all of a sudden, there's two of us there. Sure. We're there together. Even though we've both individually experienced each of these rooms alone.
• 37:03
  And pregnant. Suddenly, we're together. And I take your hand, and I I run into a glass door. And I realize, we can open this. And I open it, and we step inside.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Alright. So we step inside, and that was a stained glass door, because we've now stepped into the chapel.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Go into the chapel. Me and my sister are going to bed.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I'd rather not.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Okay. That makes sense.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Alright. So you go out... You go in, and there's a cross, you know... Think of a standard chapel. Right?
• 37:41
  There's a cross up front. There's mood lighting.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: It falls and it kills you. Have you seen that?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: No. Did you see that?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. God is so mad, you guys. Did you see that recently... I don't know what kind of church it was, but there was a church pastor, priest. I don't know.
• 37:57
  Forgive me for not knowing. But the giant cross that was hanging up on the wall behind him fell. Smacked him in the head, he died.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Woah. I don't think you can get a clearer sign from God than that one. Yeah. Alright. Well, this isn't a murder chapel.
• 38:12
  Oh, okay. But you go in, and up at the front, there is a big American flag. So you've got the cross. Right? But there's a big American flag.
• 38:23
  There's the Christian flag too, but there's the big American flag.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Right? We're praying to The United States.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Yep. And all the people are there, and they've got flag hats on. We'll we'll just go with flag hats for now. Not red hats. Some of them have those too.
• 38:37
  And they're singing about God bless The USA. And they've got t shirts on. Say God bless The USA. And you are in the Cathedral of the American Jesus. That's where we are.
• 38:51
  So this is a room where we worship Jesus, but we worship white Jesus. Yeah. We worship the Jesus that has porcelain skin and flowing brown hair. Well maintained beard. Yep.
• 39:08
  And he speaks English, strangely. And he only likes people who were born in America and really has a large hatred for pretty solidly everybody else.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Because I heard from somewhere, Jesus boarded a canoe and sailed to America.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks, Mormons. And that's what we worship in this chapel. And when you try to go up to someone and be like, hey. I I don't think we should be pledging to the flag, the American flag here in a church.
• 39:39
  They they smack you. There's a lot of smacking happening here in this haunted house. It's a great time.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Mhmm.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And it's all about the church having decided it was part of a political party.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I also think there could be something to be said of you find freedom in Jesus. Right? Mhmm. But they choose who gets to enjoy that freedom. Mhmm.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. There's only white people in this church. Yeah. That's it. I saw a comic today, and it was by the naked pastor.
• 40:16
  I know we've referenced him before. But he had a picture of a church, and he always anthropomorphizes everything, so the church has a face. And it's in the ocean. Right? So it's floating at the top of the ocean.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Poop in the ocean if you must.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: What is
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: that reference to?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Smosh. So the church is sort of bobbing at the top of the ocean. Right? But it's tied to the White House. And the White House is sinking.
• 40:49
  Right? It's all the way at the bottom. And the church is starting to tip and starting to sink down too. And I thought it was a really great reference. And obviously, we...
• 40:59
  We're all seeing that happen. But it... I thought it was a very good visual to say, when you attach yourself to something, you often become like that something. Right? I mean, not always.
• 41:12
  But... You become a product of,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: they say, the five people that you spend the most time with. Mhmm. So you start to resemble those people. Same thing with a, you know, a bigger group of people. Mhmm.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Well, the church is spending a surprising amount of time in the White House. And I I posted on TikTok the other day and said something about how religious freedom means that I get to practice my religion, but it doesn't mean that everybody else has to practice my religion. And I... The the comments on this were hilarious. They were wild.
• 41:54
  But there was one where the person said, well, what makes you think that that Christianity is being pushed on anybody? And so I responded back, and I said, well, that might be the Department of Faith that we've decided to staff with only Christians and how the Department of War has decided that we're gonna talk about the Bible all the time, and there's prayer time in the White House. And Christians are seeing that... Not all Christians, but a lot of these more evangelical Christians are seeing that and saying, praise god. There's a revival in our country.
• 42:30
  But realistically, what we've done is we've taken Jesus' words, and we have smashed them into the box we want them to be in and turned Jesus into something kind of disgusting.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: It's an obsession with power. Yeah. It's not about your faith at all. And if you pretend that it is, you're lying. Mhmm.
• 42:55
  It's not. Because if you had any other faith do what we're trying to do, you would freak out. You would freak out. But you love the power. They crave the power.
• 43:13
  They crave the power.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I wonder if, to some degree, Christians are susceptible to these things because we act like we're above them. Do you know what I mean? We pretend we're above the need for power. Because we don't need power for ourselves. We want all glory to go to God.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. God's already won.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: So we're above this. Whereas what we could say is humanity likes power and control. People like power and control. We all do. It is a standard human thing.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I am a control freak, and I'm noticing that as I get older in my ages.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: But I think Christians will say, well, I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing it for God. And so somehow that makes it better.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Stop lying. I've had enough. I hate this haunted house.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Don't worry. We're we're reaching the end of the haunted house. I feel like we've really... We've run the gambit of being a woman and having to live in The United States right now.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: We haven't yet. I don't know if we we had this room in our last haunted house.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Okay. I'm ready.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Okay? We've found... We're in the backyard. Okay. I've decided now.
• 44:34
  Sure. That's probably where this is. We we transported. Yep. It's a haunted house, but it's a youth group purity retreat.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, don't think we did have this.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy. You're Where you're a surrounded. Suddenly, you're a teen again.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: You've had 13 children, but now you're a teen. You're a teen.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: You're surrounded by other teens. You're sat at a table with you and your friends. You're all young. And for some, some reason, there are old men walking around making you take a marble out of a vase. And you're holding that marble and they're saying, See, every time you give away a piece of yourself, you're less beautiful.
• 45:24
  You have less value. What value does an empty vase have? What value does a chewed up piece of gum have? You have no value. Meanwhile, they're looking down your shirt.
• 45:37
  And you start to feel like, what's the point? What's the point of all of this? And that's what a youth group purity retreat is like. And then you probably have to go spend the night at some person's house that you've never met in your life. You have to have a pancake breakfast with all these people the next morning.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I think that is something so important to highlight. Parents, if you didn't grow up in church or if you did not go to a purity retreat or something like that, you may not know what's being said to your kids at these things. You might think they're just saying, hey, don't have sex before marriage. What they are saying... It's just like the homeschool room.
• 46:23
  Okay? What they are saying is if you have sex before marriage, girls in particular, you have no value. You should be ashamed of yourself for the rest of your life. You should be apologizing to whatever husband happens to take you for the rest of your life because you had nothing to give him. You are worthless.
• 46:48
  You are an empty vase. You're a chewed piece of gum. You're a crushed flower. Meanwhile, the boys are sitting there kind of listening to this purity retreat. Mostly,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: they're hearing the girls get yelled at. But also in their other ear, they're hearing boys will be boys. Right. And it's not as important what you do. Right.
• 47:06
  And it's not so much what they do with their body, but what they should look for in their spouse. Mhmm. Because who cares what they do, but you want a wife that's a virgin. Mhmm.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: If you don't know that this is what's happening at these things, you should know. Before you send your kids to something like this... Cause I assume most of you are adults out there. I don't think we have a lot of children listeners. And if we do,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. You probably should turn it off at this point. But
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: if you have kids, if you know someone that has kids, you should know this stuff before you put your kids into this situation. Because we trust the church so much. We trust the church with the well-being of our children, with the faith of our children. And sometimes they aren't responsible with that trust. Sometimes they break it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Most of the time. Yeah. And that's why you see so many different cases coming out. Another man did this. Another pastor did this.
• 48:14
  Another person did this. And I also think it's kind of scary because they call it a retreat, and they isolate the kids. They pull them out of their home. At least that's how my purity retweet retweet? Retreat was.
• 48:27
  We went to one of the... I It was like a not even a parent chaperone. It was like an adult volunteer. All the girls went over to her house and stayed. And the boys went somewhere else.
• 48:43
  And then we came back the next day. But it is strange that it's isolating. And you know that teens are not talking to their parents. I've interacted with several teens. Several.
• 48:56
  Several. And you say, hey, how are you doing? What do you got going on for the rest of the day? Do... Are you okay?
• 49:08
  Stop.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Alright. Well, on that note, I think we should leave the Haunted House because I'm depressed. Let's never go back there again. Let's pretend that none of that exists and live our lives happily.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Because it's a haunted house. It's meant to scare you. Yeah. I think that's the whole... Let's wrap this up with a nice bow.
• 49:31
  Okay. Okay? Haunted houses are meant to be terrifying. Mhmm. Yet our reality every day lately has been terrifying.
• 49:41
  So what do we do? We get out there and vote. That was a good wrap up. You guys, my nose is running away with me. Okay.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Well, then we'll wrap the whole thing up. Next week, I wanna talk about something that has been a big deal for me lately, and I feel like is a good launch into November in the holiday season.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. That vampire show?
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's not it. But that is a great show. But no. I wanna talk about gratefulness.
• 50:13
  Because here's the thing. I For what? For stuff. We're... That's next week's episode.
• 50:19
  Don't be pain. So I... I've talked to you guys many times about how I struggle with anxiety. And there's always this piece of me that's like, okay, God, you tell me to live in peace and joy. What the crap is peace and joy?
• 50:36
  I literally don't even know
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Who she is. Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Like, where do you find that? And lately, I've been really diving into this concept of gratefulness. And I think I think that's the key, folks. I think peace and joy are hiding in the corners of gratefulness. So I wanna talk about that.
• 50:57
  Brie's about to sneeze again. No. I'm not
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: about to sneeze. I'm just not feeling very grateful. Well, suck it up, buttercup. Thanksgiving is coming.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna talk about that, and Brie can pout.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm gonna talk about what I'm not grateful for. That's a great idea. It's great. Thank you.
• 51:21
  It's full. Okay. Well, we'll talk to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: you next week. Brie might be seated... Sitting in a corner being huffy. More than likely. Okay.
• 51:30
  So that'll be fun. Look forward to that. Follow us on social media. You can find us at the hashtag we are more, more, and watch me yell at some people on the Internet. Love that.
• 51:41
  Yeah. Okay. Love you. Bye.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Happy Halloween.