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Do You Really Need Music Theory? · The Steve Stine Podcast

• 0:35
  Steve: Hey, this is Steve Stine from Guitar Zoom, and today we're going to be talking about music theory and whether or not it's something that should be important to you.
• 0:43
  Steve: Okay?
• 0:44
  Steve: Music theory is different for everybody.
• 0:46
  Steve: If we break down what music theory really is, it's simply a language, it's an understanding of communication that musicians use to talk to each other.
• 0:56
  Steve: So is it something that you need?
• 0:58
  Steve: Well, it just depends on what your needs are and what your interests are.
• 1:02
  Steve: Let's start with high level.
• 1:03
  Steve: If you think it's something that's interesting to you, you find value in it, whether or not you're going to use it in the real world or not, then it's valuable.
• 1:13
  Steve: Okay.
• 1:13
  Steve: I always think of this like math.
• 1:15
  Steve: There's practical math, stuff that you really do use every day.
• 1:18
  Steve: If you were a attendant and you need to, you get cash and you've got to give change back, right?
• 1:25
  Steve: You need to, you need to be able to count and know how to give that proper change back.
• 1:30
  Steve: If you work in some sort of a situation where you have to be able to figure things out in a basic level, we're not talking trigonometry here, right?
• 1:38
  Steve: We're just talking about fundamental math.
• 1:40
  Steve: But if you're an engineer or something, you might need more advanced understanding of what it is to get the job done.
• 1:47
  Steve: So the first thing I want you to understand is just your interest level.
• 1:50
  Steve: If it's something that you're interested in, whether or not you're going to use it, that's fine.
• 1:55
  Steve: Now let's go into the the deeper part, which is whether or not you're going to use it.
• 2:00
  Steve: So for me, I always think there is a fundamental discussion about music theory that pretty much benefits just about anybody.
• 2:08
  Steve: And it's the general language that we use as musicians to talk to each other.
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  Steve: This song is in the key of this.
• 2:15
  Steve: What does that mean?
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  Steve: This song uses these chords.
• 2:19
  Steve: What does that mean?
• 2:21
  Steve: If you're going to improvise over something, maybe having a better understanding of what notes are inside each one of those chords, and then being able to see that on your fretboard to give you direction when you're soloing, not just simply playing up and down in the scale that you've memorized, but actually thinking about how you're going to make connections from that chord that's being played or the next chord that's coming up and where you are on the guitar, what scale you're using, and how you're going to connect to that.
• 2:50
  Steve: See, that's that's practical language music theory.
• 2:53
  Steve: What key are we in?
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  Steve: What chords are we talking about?
• 2:56
  Steve: Are all of these chords part of the same key, which we call diatonic?
• 3:00
  Steve: Or are there any chords that don't fit in the key, which we call non-diatonic?
• 3:05
  Steve: Just so we have a general understanding of what we're doing.
• 3:07
  Steve: Maybe we've got time to practice beforehand.
• 3:10
  Steve: And a lot of that information doesn't really make any difference because we can, you know, simply download the sheet music or something like that and learn it.
• 3:18
  Steve: But if we have to rely on ear training in any capacity, you know, maybe we're learning the song by ear, or maybe we're interacting with these people in real time.
• 3:26
  Steve: We're getting together with some friends or, you know, other musicians, and we don't know what we're going to play.
• 3:31
  Steve: And somebody says, hey, let's play whatever.
• 3:34
  Steve: And you think to yourself, Oh, I don't know that song.
• 3:36
  Steve: So you say, Hey, what key are we in?
• 3:38
  Steve: And they'll say, Oh, we're in the key of D.
• 3:40
  Steve: And then that's that triggers something in your head and says, This is basically what we're talking about.
• 3:46
  Steve: These are the chords you expect to see.
• 3:48
  Steve: Uh, music theory can be song structure, you know, thinking generally a song does this and then it goes to this, and then it goes to the chorus, and then it goes to this.
• 3:57
  Steve: It's just generalized ideas of things.
• 3:59
  Steve: So there's lots of useful initial discussion music theory concepts.
• 4:06
  Steve: It's when you start getting further and further down the line that you have to start thinking whether or not it's something that you can use.
• 4:12
  Steve: If you're uh someone who reads a lot of charts, so learning how to read, you know, the staff and everything that that means, which is part of music theory, that becomes very important.
• 4:23
  Steve: That becomes a component that you really need.
• 4:25
  Steve: If you don't do that, then that is less important to you.
• 4:28
  Steve: Okay.
• 4:29
  Steve: Things like understanding, you know, further development of chords, of triads and extended chords, you know, what a diminished chord is and what an augmented chord is, and you know, um substitutions and all these kinds of things.
• 4:46
  Steve: Again, these things you could if you learn some of these things and you figure out how you can actually use it in the real world, it can become very beneficial for you.
• 4:56
  Steve: The thing I always tell people about music theory is there's the way I think about it, there's two different kinds of music theory.
• 5:01
  Steve: There's discussions we have at a at a bar, for instance, over a beer, where we're just talking about things, right?
• 5:10
  Steve: We're talking about ideas, concepts.
• 5:12
  Steve: And then there's the reality of actually playing.
• 5:17
  Steve: Are the things that you're learning useful to you in your musical life?
• 5:23
  Steve: Whether it's your guitar playing, maybe it's songwriting, you know, improvisation, different kinds of things like that.
• 5:29
  Steve: That's when it becomes very important.
• 5:31
  Steve: So when you think about the differences between players, I always think like some players are more ear-driven, right?
• 5:38
  Steve: They use their ear to figure out what they're doing and where they're going.
• 5:41
  Steve: They're more pattern-based visualization of the fretboard, that sort of thing, and maybe more feel-oriented.
• 5:47
  Steve: Those players may need a little bit less music theory.
• 5:51
  Steve: This is just a generalization, but it's something to think about.
• 5:53
  Steve: You know, other people tend to be more analytical.
• 5:55
  Steve: They want to know the whys and the hows of things.
• 5:58
  Steve: Um, and they get frustrated by the randomness.
• 6:02
  Steve: They want to have structure in that.
• 6:03
  Steve: And so for them, maybe music theory would be something that's that's more beneficial.
• 6:08
  Steve: Aside from all of this, I always think there's there's another language that was created in the last, you know, let's say 50 years or 60 years or something like that, which is what I like to call the theory of rock and roll.
• 6:22
  Steve: And so with the adaptation of blues music into our music history, it really changed the trajectory of how we think about music, because, you know, music, uh classical music, for instance, was something that you either looked at the sheet music or you were there to hear.
• 6:40
  Steve: You didn't have a record or, you know, something like that that you listened to if it was 500 years ago.
• 6:46
  Steve: You you you had the experience.
• 6:49
  Steve: Now, because of, you know, records and CDs and social or uh digital music and all this kind of stuff, we we experience music very differently now.
• 6:58
  Steve: We experience it through our stereos or our phones or you know, whatever it might be.
• 7:03
  Steve: And so music is very much an all experience that doesn't require other people.
• 7:09
  Steve: We don't need to go to a concert, although it's a wonderful experience.
• 7:13
  Steve: We don't have to do that.
• 7:14
  Steve: We can listen to music on our own with whatever device we have.
• 7:17
  Steve: And so that makes a real big difference when it comes to the experience of what we're listening to and then the response of that.
• 7:25
  Steve: So for me, the the the whole point of the history of rock and roll is is once once we had this new style of music, we started learning that music was something that didn't necessarily have to fit some sort of rule book.
• 7:41
  Steve: It's it's the way it sounded.
• 7:43
  Steve: And this is a generalization.
• 7:45
  Steve: It's not like you know, everybody before blues was not allowed to do this or something like that, but but the parameters really did change.
• 7:51
  Steve: And so, you know, now all of a sudden we've got this situation where maybe we're playing uh a major blues chord progression, but we're soloing minor pentatonic or minor in some capacity over the top of it.
• 8:04
  Steve: And even though it it in some aspects doesn't fit in theory, it fits in the stylistic sound of what it is.
• 8:14
  Steve: So, in order to understand that a little better, we have to kind of forego the traditional way of thinking about theory and build some new ideas of theory that are built on oral experiences, not just whether something is, you know, two plus two equals four.
• 8:30
  Steve: And so, you know, you take something, whatever it might be, you could use a million uh examples of this.
• 8:36
  Steve: But if I used You Shook Me All Night Long by ACDC, for instance, it's using a G and a C and a D essentially for the entire song, which puts us in the key of G.
• 8:45
  Steve: It's what we call a one, four, five in the key of G.
• 8:47
  Steve: But the solo very much can exist in the key of G minor because of the stylistic characteristic of the blues or that blues inference that we're bringing into rock and roll.
• 9:02
  Steve: And um, so it's very interesting that, you know, even though you might be learning fundamentals of music theory, now you might be doing something like, I don't know, it could be anything.
• 9:12
  Steve: You're you're playing some jazz thing, and maybe you don't have those same um theoretical things that a rock guitar player would in terms of you know, theory of rock and roll.
• 9:23
  Steve: But you've got a whole mess of other opportunities of things that you can do over that particular situation.
• 9:30
  Steve: So theory doesn't solve everything.
• 9:34
  Steve: That's my whole point.
• 9:35
  Steve: As a modern guitar player, theory doesn't solve everything.
• 9:38
  Steve: But there are times when having a foundation of music theory can be very, very important to you.
• 9:44
  Steve: You know, people will say, Well, I need to learn my theory to be able to write songs.
• 9:48
  Steve: Maybe.
• 9:49
  Steve: Um, it depends.
• 9:51
  Steve: If you're writing a song that sounds like Pantera, you're not going to use a lot of music theory, right?
• 9:55
  Steve: If you're writing a song that sounds a little bit more like maybe Journey or you know, Todo or something like that, maybe it will.
• 10:03
  Steve: But it again, it's circumstantial.
• 10:05
  Steve: It's those are those are not black and white.
• 10:07
  Steve: I mean, any of those scenarios could could do one or the other, right?
• 10:12
  Steve: I'm just saying, in general, like if you're writing a Metallica tune or a thrash metal tune or something like that, or a death metal tune, you're not using traditional music theory to write your your composition.
• 10:23
  Steve: At some point, you might use tools of music theory to create something a little more complex or something a little more.
• 10:31
  Steve: I mean, there's a million ways you could do it, but generally, generally in that kind of music, you're starting with a riff idea, you're starting with a concept, and it uses a lot of chromatics and you know different kinds of things like that, because that's the stylistic characteristic of what it is.
• 10:47
  Steve: Where if you were writing, you know, again, I I hate to pigeonhole something, but if you were writing a hootie in the blowfish kind of song or a Bob Dylan-ish kind of song, maybe you'd use those fundamental theory tools a little bit more for that.
• 11:01
  Steve: Or if you were writing something in a jazz style, maybe you'd use more theory for its complexity.
• 11:06
  Steve: My point is, is you just have to really think about where you're going.
• 11:10
  Steve: Because what happens with this, even this whole conversation that we're having is is it benefiting you as a musician?
• 11:16
  Steve: Is it benefiting you as a guitar player in our scenario?
• 11:21
  Steve: Because that's usually who I'm talking to.
• 11:23
  Steve: That's what you have to ask yourself.
• 11:26
  Steve: Because if it's just more information that you're trying to study, but it's not making a direct connection to make you better, to make you stronger, to make you smarter in a real way that that affects you, then you have to think about whether or not it's something that you should be spending your time with.
• 11:40
  Steve: And this brings me back to the where I started at the first place is if you find value in it, then that's great.
• 11:46
  Steve: But if you're finding that that, along with many other things that you do when you're playing or your practice, really aren't directly benefiting and impacting what you're doing to make you a better player, a smarter player, a stronger player, a more knowledgeable player, your visualization, whatever these things are, then you have to ask yourself, is now the right time for me to be working on this?
• 12:07
  Steve: Or should this be something that I should put on hold at least temporarily while I develop these other elements of myself?
• 12:13
  Steve: So for me, again, to wrap this up, you know, music theory isn't good or bad.
• 12:20
  Steve: It's whether or not you are interested, whether or not you find benefit in it that directly impacts what it is that you're trying to do on your guitar, in your songwriting, whatever it might be.
• 12:32
  Steve: And if you do find that, then that's great.
• 12:34
  Steve: And if you don't, you don't have to feel bad about it.
• 12:38
  Steve: There's a lot of other really great guitar players on the planet right now that know nothing about music theory, or at least in the traditional sense.
• 12:46
  Steve: They may understand concepts from an aural, you know, an audio perspective, but they don't know what to name it.
• 12:52
  Steve: They don't have titles for these things.
• 12:54
  Steve: They just kind of understand how they work because of their experiences, you know, of playing songs and exploring things and different kinds of stuff like that.
• 13:01
  Steve: Again, one's not right and one's not wrong.
• 13:04
  Steve: It, you know, it's it's not just how smart you are.
• 13:08
  Steve: It's it's how well you can play the instrument and express yourself in a musical context.
• 13:15
  Steve: So if that makes sense, it's something to think about a little bit, just so you don't, you're not always, you know, bashing on yourself because you don't know this or you don't know whatever that is.
• 13:23
  Steve: You know, even simple things.
• 13:25
  Steve: Like I tell people, you know, they'll go, okay, well, I don't, I struggle with my pentatonics.
• 13:29
  Steve: I can't make music with my pentatonics, so I need to learn all my modes and I need to learn my triads and I need to learn my arpeggies across the fretboard.
• 13:36
  Steve: And I always get them, you know, we stop and go, okay, is that a true statement?
• 13:41
  Steve: If you can't make music, creative sounding, expressive music with a with a five-note scale, is learning all your arpeggios going to fix that?
• 13:51
  Steve: Or is learning modes going to fix that?
• 13:54
  Steve: And the answer, most of the time, to be completely honest with you, is no.
• 13:58
  Steve: If you don't have the components to make the music with less notes, just because you add more notes might mean you can play faster or you can, you know, do more patterns with more notes, but it doesn't inherently necessarily mean it's going to get more musical.
• 14:10
  Steve: You still have to learn how to make the things that you're doing on the fretboard sound musical.
• 14:16
  Steve: Those other things might give you more opportunities to make things even more musical yet.
• 14:21
  Steve: That's awesome.
• 14:23
  Steve: But just because you can't do this and you're going to learn more music theory doesn't mean all of a sudden everything's going to become more musical.
• 14:29
  Steve: And then if you were to go back to that pentatonic thing, you still can't make music there.
• 14:34
  Steve: I I've really never even heard of that before.
• 14:36
  Steve: Um, you know, you should be able to make music in any capacity that those things are with less notes or more notes or, you know, open chords or bar chords or the cage system or whatever it might be.
• 14:47
  Steve: These are all opportunities to make music.
• 14:50
  Steve: But they themselves inherently don't have any music.
• 14:54
  Steve: They're just concepts.
• 14:55
  Steve: We have to get in there and figure out how to actually make the music.
• 14:58
  Steve: So if the theory helps to lend it to lend, you know, some idea to us that that benefits us and into making that music, that's awesome.
• 15:06
  Steve: So hopefully that helps you a little bit in just thinking about whether or not music theory and what level of music theory is needed for you to take the next step to get to where you want to go.
• 15:16
  Steve: All right.
• 15:17
  Steve: So take care, stay positive, obviously keep practicing.
• 15:20
  Steve: And if these are struggles that you have, you know, whatever these things might be, and it's something that you really want to maybe have a discussion about and see whether or not the Guitar Zoom Academy is something that fits you and would benefit you.
• 15:33
  Steve: Again, all you have to do is click on the link that's going to be around here somewhere that you can click on and just have a conversation with one of our instructors, and we'll just see if the academy is something that you're you'd be interested in.
• 15:44
  Steve: All right.
• 15:44
  Steve: So take care, stay positive, and I'll talk to you soon.