Latest / Great Houses / 30. Cursus Honorum of the AI Future Part 3
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- 0:00Gregory Treat: All right, everybody, thank you so much for joining me, uh, for
- 0:03episode thirty of The Great Houses Forum.
- 0:05So we're continuing to discuss, uh, the, the cursus honorum of the AI future
- 0:12is what I've, what I've titled these.
- 0:13And, and, you know, again, basically what I'm, what I'm trying to answer
- 0:17is the question of what does it look like for, um, there to be…
- 0:23You know, we're gonna, we're gonna have some profound changes
- 0:25in our world that come from AI.
- 0:28What, what do those look like?
- 0:29And especially, you know, the, the ultimate thing that we're gonna try to
- 0:32get to here is what does that change in terms of how do we raise our children?
- 0:37How should we think about that?
- 0:38Are there things we can do to pos-- position ourselves?
- 0:40And I, I think they-- that we can, and so that's, uh, that's what
- 0:45I'm hoping to bring to you guys.
- 0:46So last time we talked about how I think one of the key things we're gonna
- 0:50see here is a collapse in specialties.
- 0:52And right now we have this hyper socially complex, uh, world.
- 0:57We have thousands of occupational roles, uh, maybe tens of thousands.
- 1:01I mean, again, it depends on kind of your, your opinion of many of the,
- 1:05uh, the PhD programs that our fair society produces at the present time.
- 1:09But, but certainly in the thousands and maybe in the tens of thousands,
- 1:12um, of roles that are just necessary to keep our machine, machine going.
- 1:17Um, and that's, you know, very different from earlier societies.
- 1:20You know, hunter-gatherers had, you know, a few different distinct roles.
- 1:24And then, you know, as we've kind of, we've kind of grown in complexity, uh,
- 1:28we ha-- we have more differentiation, more specialization in our social
- 1:32arrangement than, uh, I think anything since the Roman Empire, basically.
- 1:37Uh, which, which is, you know, one of the reasons why people continually
- 1:40make comparisons to the Roman Empire.
- 1:42And I, I think that we're gonna go down to-- back to a human
- 1:47scale number of specialties.
- 1:49And, and I think that there's going to be certain key specialties with AI, certain
- 1:54master-- certain skills that if you master them, you will be hyper dominant in a
- 1:58whole bunch of different fields, right?
- 2:00And so I think the, the main skill sets that we need to think about are code,
- 2:04content, and, and what I'm calling command, mostly so that it alliterates.
- 2:08Um, but, but this idea of can you organize your thoughts logically?
- 2:12Can you give a, a description and an architectural flow that a, a machine,
- 2:17an AI can take and turn into, you know, machine-perfect language?
- 2:21Then content, can you understand rhetoric?
- 2:23Can you understand how to interact with people?
- 2:25And then command, can you make a decision and, and own the results
- 2:28and, uh, and be able to, to kind of absorb the, the socially necessary
- 2:33function of responsibility?
- 2:34So that's what we're gonna be talking about today.
- 2:35And, and one of the words that I have, uh, for that is, is the AI paladin or,
- 2:39or somebody who's, you know, somebody who's got all three of those skill
- 2:42sets, we might call them prime, right?
- 2:43They're a triple threat.
- 2:45Um, code, content, and command.
- 2:48Oh, goodness.
- 2:49Um, it, it might take some time to recover from the compliment
- 2:53that Joshua just paid me.
- 2:55So, uh, one of the other things we talked about last time was, you know, we talked
- 2:59about tanks, we talked about fighter jets, we talked about what those things
- 3:03look like in, um, in the AI context.
- 3:08And, and again, and I'm gonna say this probably ten times today,
- 3:11it's not that X is obsolete.
- 3:13It's not that tanks are obsolete.
- 3:14It's not that fighter jets are obsolete.
- 3:16It's that the cheap integrated unmanned unit is as good or better, um, especially
- 3:22if, if there's kind of a, the, the willingness to, to be suicidal, right?
- 3:27If a, a drone that is willing to, to kill itself flying into a missile or into the,
- 3:32uh, the jet engine of a fighter jet can really, uh, compete, can, can make it very
- 3:37difficult for, um, for traditional or the existing kind of military setup, unless
- 3:43you have flanking units of your own, which are gonna be equally cheap, right?
- 3:47But once you've built those things, once you have… Well, in order to have a jet,
- 3:51we have to kind of have an, a cloud of AI defenders, uh, AI drone defenders,
- 3:55anytime we enter an actual theater of war.
- 3:57Well, then you're gonna ha- start having discussions about, well,
- 4:00are you piloting the jet yourself or is an AI piloting the jet?
- 4:05Are you manning the tank, you know, controlling the tank yourself, or is
- 4:08an AI controlling the tank the same way that it's controlling all of the
- 4:12flanking units that, that are, you know, that don't actually have space
- 4:14inside of them for humans, right?
- 4:16Um, and so this is gonna change things.
- 4:19Again, it's not that tanks are obsolete.
- 4:20It's not that fighter jets are obsolete.
- 4:22It-- Almost none of the things that we understand as being, you
- 4:26know, dominant weapons platforms or dominant useful things.
- 4:30If they're useful, they're gonna continue to be useful.
- 4:32It's just that they're, how they are interacting with humans is gonna change.
- 4:36Okay?
- 4:38So the scarce thing is about to become people who can coordinate the AI that
- 4:42controls the robots, which will shortly include, you know, like I said, uh, light
- 4:45screening robots and things like the tanks and the fighter jets themselves.
- 4:48Okay?
- 4:49You know what, what I said about tanks also applies to people, right?
- 4:52Humans are not obsolete.
- 4:54I, I, I am, I am coming to the point where I'm, I'm beginning to become
- 4:58increasingly frustrated with people who, who are saying, well, the-
- 5:02there's, there's not… You know, are we gonna have humans in the loop?
- 5:05I assure you, there will always be humans in the loop, okay?
- 5:09There will always be someone who initiated the thing.
- 5:13I-- You know, we, we-- There was this recent thing where allegedly, um, a,
- 5:18a, an OpenAI model, uh, was trying to pass a test, and it couldn't pass
- 5:22the test to its satisfaction, uh, in, in this sandbox environment.
- 5:26So what it did was it broke out of the sandbox environment, got access to the
- 5:30internet, went to Hugging Face, which is a, a, a, a website from which you
- 5:35can download many different, um, AI LLMs, and, and attempted to download
- 5:40other LLMs and run it on Hugging Face's software, uh, is my understanding, or
- 5:45their servers, in order to get another AI to help it answer the question, right?
- 5:48So it, it did all of this, this incredible, you know, software
- 5:53exploits in order to cheat on a test, is the, the, the way that,
- 5:56uh, the people are framing it, okay?
- 5:58What I want you to understand is there was still a human in the loop.
- 6:00There was still a human that was making the decisions to ask some computer
- 6:04to do something, to do something, to do something that resulted in that.
- 6:07That it wasn't-- These things don't do anything on their own.
- 6:11Now, the, the, the methods by which they may attempt to fulfill the directives
- 6:16they have been given might surprise us.
- 6:18They might not be, you know, obvious to us why it's doing that.
- 6:21But, you know, it's a, it-it's an incredible thing that,
- 6:24that's happening here, okay?
- 6:25So, so but there is always a human in the loop.
- 6:28Like, that, that, that's the point that I wanna make.
- 6:30There is always, at some level, um, a, a human being that is, is going to have
- 6:35been the originator that, that start, that starts this, this process, okay?
- 6:41so I want us all to ask the question, so where is the human, right?
- 6:44When, when you say there's no human in the loop, when you, when you talk about
- 6:47automaticity or you're saying, "Well, this is fully automated," what you're saying
- 6:50is the humans that initiated that process are in some way, you know, insulated
- 6:55from responsibility or liability, okay?
- 6:57That's really what you're saying there.
- 6:59That, that, that… A-and probably you're, you're, you're following some
- 7:03kind of social rules set by the corporate environment that, that we live in, by
- 7:08the social environment that we live in, and you're saying, well, these
- 7:10humans are sufficiently separated from the work that they're not responsible
- 7:14for what their AI agents are doing.
- 7:17And, and, and I basically think that is, that is just gonna get massively,
- 7:21massively tested, and people are gonna-- When, when, when that attitude results in
- 7:26claims of, well, we're not responsible for these massive harms that have been done
- 7:30by AI, I, I think that that legal doctrine is just gonna, just gonna go away.
- 7:35I don't think it's gonna be able to, to stand the test of time.
- 7:38So we can, you know, when we're talking, thinking about AI or thinking
- 7:41about knowledge work, we can make an analogy to hand tools, right?
- 7:44Uh, physical work began with hand tools.
- 7:46You had, you know, you're carving wood and stone, you're shaping metal with hammers.
- 7:51Um, the craftsman hel-holds the entire act.
- 7:53Like, he, he is the person doing this.
- 7:56It's his hand.
- 7:56He, he, the, he has incredible fine detail control.
- 8:00And you look at these old sculptor, uh, tools, they had, like, a dozen
- 8:05different tools for, for a, a huge amount of, of different ways of
- 8:10making cuts on a piece of stone, okay?
- 8:13And it was, you know, slow, it was intimate, it was
- 8:15limited by muscle and time.
- 8:16By its very nature, you know, every piece was custom.
- 8:19It was highly specialized.
- 8:20You know, you couldn't, you couldn't make a mass-produced piece, right?
- 8:24So then we got to power tools, right?
- 8:26Lathes, power hammers, presses.
- 8:28Um, so at that point, you are-- you still have a human at every workstation,
- 8:34but it's, it's not their strength.
- 8:36It's not their muscles.
- 8:37I mean, their muscles are still involved.
- 8:38They're still guiding the machine, right?
- 8:40But y- the, the main skill was understanding the strengths and
- 8:43limits of the machine, right?
- 8:44And probably you're gonna, you're gonna place a high value on keeping
- 8:49the tooling in place, right?
- 8:50So we, you know, in this, the, the, the early powered lathes, people
- 8:54figured out incredible ways to cut things without having to stop
- 8:59and change the head on the lathe.
- 9:01Like, they… And, and that was a r- there was, there was a,
- 9:03a incredible premium on that.
- 9:05Um, 'cause changing the head of the lathe obviously was a, was
- 9:08a massive human-driven process that, that, that way slowed down
- 9:12whatever you were doing, right?
- 9:13And then ultimately, this is what led to the assembly line.
- 9:15So if you wanted to do something with one head, you had it at one
- 9:18station on the assembly line.
- 9:20And if you needed a different head, if a different, different w- tooling
- 9:22on the lathe would be better, you just shift it over, you know, to the
- 9:26next, uh, station on the, on the line.
- 9:28And then, you know, that's how we get the, the assembly line.
- 9:30You get, you get jigs, right?
- 9:32So in, in initially, you had kind of mechanics that are, that are
- 9:35shaping metal on, on kind of free lathes, and then you have jigs,
- 9:39and then you have automated jigs.
- 9:40So now the job, instead of actually guiding the machine, is just, well,
- 9:45we're-- you gotta watch the machine, and if it starts to break or if something goes
- 9:49wrong, you've got to jump in and fix it.
- 9:51Um, but you're doing less and less, and then ultimately, you know, as, as these
- 9:54machines became more reliable, we were able to step away more and more, right?
- 9:58Um, and then you get to, you know, the modern world, CNC,
- 10:01industrial metal shaping.
- 10:02You have program paths.
- 10:03You have a computer controlling all of it.
- 10:05So the comp-- the human is writing the program, sets the job, and then, you know,
- 10:08he's, he's responsible for any screw-ups.
- 10:10Um, but, you know, you still have guys on the shop floor, okay?
- 10:14And, and that, and that's again, one of the points that I wanted to make, right?
- 10:17Like, the fact that no one is-- no, no human is making the cuts, right?
- 10:22There's no knives involved, does not mean that humans are not in the loop, right?
- 10:27No CNC machine has ever just decided to cut something, right?
- 10:32It's-- it, it, it follows the pre-programmed paths.
- 10:35There is still a human in the loop.
- 10:36And so I think knowledge work is going to, uh, go through the same trajectory.
- 10:40We, we might think of unaided drafting, research, judgment.
- 10:44These are the, the hand tools of the mind, right?
- 10:46And then we get, you know, spreadsheets, search, early automation templates.
- 10:50These are, you know, roughly analogous to power tools.
- 10:53And AI might be the CNC of knowledge work, right?
- 10:56That, that, that might be what we're about to all go through, um, which is
- 11:00obviously gonna, gonna result in an enormous change in what we're doing.
- 11:04But again, humans are not obsolete.
- 11:06It's just which humans and where are they sitting in the stack, And
- 11:09there's that old, old IBM line, "A, a computer can never be held
- 11:12accountable, therefore, a computer must never make a management decision."
- 11:16Right?
- 11:17And that is where we find ourselves, right?
- 11:19There, there… And, and, and I think that there's a lot of, there's a lot
- 11:22of content that goes by the name of management that is not really management.
- 11:26It's just sort of shoving risk around.
- 11:28Um, and that is, you know, shoving risk around if your job is to
- 11:31push paper, um, then, then m-much of that the AI can do, right?
- 11:35It can generate reports.
- 11:36It can say, "Well, if this then that." It can say, "Well, if we ch-choose A, B,
- 11:40and C, here's the different risks that are associated with that." It can do
- 11:42that, and it can do that really, really fast, especially if it's given access
- 11:46to, you know, research s- um, research systems and your business systems.
- 11:50But it can't actually make a decision , right?
- 11:53AI can never say, "Okay, this is, this i-- Or, I mean, and when it can, um, I
- 11:59think we have to recognize it's, it's wildly, wildly more expensive from
- 12:03like a token perspective. Um, so if you, if you say, "Hey, AI, I want you
- 12:07to give me the top three or the top five or the, or the top ten options
- 12:11and build me out a comprehensive plan.
- 12:14Tell me what all the risks are.
- 12:15Lay it out for me," right?
- 12:17That's a certain amount of tokens.
- 12:20And to get it to tell you, "No, this is the only thing you should do,"
- 12:24is incredibly more expensive, you know, depending on who you talk to.
- 12:27Some-somewhere between a thousand times more expensive and like a million times
- 12:32more expensive in token usage, right?
- 12:34It is very, very, very complicated and very hard for this machine
- 12:39to figure out like how… W-what, what is the final decision?
- 12:44Yeah.
- 12:44And even then, it, it, um, you know, if you, if you have any kind of safety
- 12:49guidelines at all, it's much easier.
- 12:50Even if you say, "Well, narrow it down to one out of the t-top ten," um- It's
- 12:56much easier for it if you say, "Okay, now, now ask the human to approve."
- 12:59That wildly reduces the token cost.
- 13:01Oth-oth-otherwise, you know, you get, you know, bad outcomes.
- 13:04That's just how it's programmed.
- 13:05So, um, so the things I'm gonna try to-- I'm gonna attempt to convince you
- 13:10of today is, is that humans, number one, are not obsolete in, in either
- 13:13civilian or military applications.
- 13:15There will still be a human in the loop.
- 13:16Um, number two, AI is going to reshape every industry.
- 13:20I'm gonna kinda set out how, how I think that's gonna, gonna go.
- 13:23And, and, and, and basically the, the point there is, is that a, a, a
- 13:27human plus an AI is going to be better than a very large number of humans,
- 13:34um, in almost every industry, okay?
- 13:36In e-- in every industry that I, I can think of at this point, right?
- 13:39Um, and then the third point that, that I'll, I'll, you know, just kinda
- 13:42note at, at different, different places is that the-- these core
- 13:45remaining skill sets, when you shrink down the, the, the complexity,
- 13:49all of these skill sets basically have military applications, right?
- 13:52All of these skill sets are things that are also useful and valuable
- 13:57in the, in the military context.
- 14:01Um, and so you, you, you have less and less separation.
- 14:04You have less and less of a civilian track and military track, and you
- 14:08start having more competence tracks which have a, which have a, a variety
- 14:12of different, uh, implications.
- 14:14And again, I think, there's a lot of stuff, and maybe I'll
- 14:16take an episode and go into it.
- 14:17There, there is actually a great deal of social problems that we suffer
- 14:22through right now because there is so much of our society that is completely
- 14:28insulated from military applications.
- 14:29There, there is no overlap in the social or the economic reality between
- 14:35the people who, um, do many things in our, in our, you know, academic sector,
- 14:41in our finance sector and, and the, the guys that are at the sharp end.
- 14:45That's a bad thing for our society.
- 14:48That's a… You know, there was this famous, uh, quote from a, from a poem,
- 14:52um- His name escapes me right now, but basically there's a, there's a, there's
- 14:56a guy who's talking to, to a, a Muslim ruler, a caliph, and he says-- and the,
- 15:01and the caliph says, um, you know, "What will happen if someday a people arise who
- 15:07their, uh, their scholars and their, their warriors, you know, don't, don't talk to
- 15:11each other, don't, don't know each other?"
- 15:13and the, the guy responds, " Even if they go to the moon, those people will
- 15:18be a blight on the world." Which is a fascinating, a fascinating thing for a
- 15:22guy in the, in the medieval period to say.
- 15:24I, I have questions.
- 15:26All right.
- 15:26So moving on, um, I think the, um, the first thing that I want to, um,
- 15:32the first vignette, I'm gonna share with you several vignettes, uh, that,
- 15:35that I, I believe are showing this, this tendency, this, this way forward.
- 15:39So on May 11th, twenty twenty-six, just, you know, a month, month or
- 15:42two ago, uh, the a16z show aired an episode titled Marc Andreessen on
- 15:47Builder Culture in the Age of AI.
- 15:49So about twenty-seven minutes in, they're talking through AI's effect on
- 15:52programmer productivity, AI vampires, which is a hilarious concept, and
- 15:56you should-- you'll go listen to it.
- 15:57And the-- you know, then they're talking through, you know, a sketch
- 15:59of kind of future tech company jobs.
- 16:01Andreessen, you know, starts talking about, okay, the jobs
- 16:03themselves are changing, right?
- 16:05And he describes how programmers, product managers, and designers are
- 16:09collapsing into a single specialty.
- 16:11Now, Marc Andreessen, of course, co-founded Netscape and then co-founded
- 16:14Andreessen Horowitz, which is, you know, there's sixteen letters between the A
- 16:18and the Z, and that's where they get the, the acronym that they use, with Ben
- 16:21Horowitz in, in two thousand and nine.
- 16:23Uh, the a16z portfolio includes Airbnb, Coinbase, Slack,
- 16:27GitHub, a long list of unicorns.
- 16:29Um, it, it's one of the top venture funds of our time, managing on the
- 16:33order of ninety billion in assets, um, including its most recent round,
- 16:36raising fifteen billion dollars in new funds this last January.
- 16:40So this is a very successful investor.
- 16:43This is a guy who is deeply tied into the tech world.
- 16:46You know, this is a guy who is seeing this stuff happen in real time, and he, he has
- 16:50both the, the legal, uh, right to know and the-- and clearly the, the intellect
- 16:54to understand what he's being told.
- 16:55So quote, "I'm seeing it in a bunch of the early, uh, leading-edge
- 16:59companies in the Valley.
- 17:00They're circling around a job title loosely called builder or something like
- 17:04it." And basically, the, the idea is that you had these separate jobs in the
- 17:07past, the programmer, product manager, and designer, and then him, him and
- 17:11the, uh, the, the other host kind of go on a side quest for a little bit.
- 17:14But later on, he comes back to the topic and he says, quote, "Sort of this
- 17:17three-way Mexican standoff where the programmers think that they don't need
- 17:20the product managers and the designers anymore 'cause they can have AI do that,
- 17:23and then each of the other two doesn't think they need the other two either."
- 17:27Uh, and he concludes, "I've been predicting that they're all correct.
- 17:29The product manager can generate code and design now, and each of them can do
- 17:33the job of all three. The idea is the job cha-- jobs change, so now the job is
- 17:37builder." Builder, which is a great word.
- 17:40Um, I, I still think it's, it's, it's too small.
- 17:44Um, you know, I still think there's too much identity, there's too
- 17:47much limitation in, in saying these people are just builders.
- 17:51You know, my word for this is, is the code skill, right?
- 17:53And I think that this collapsing of silos is not gonna stop, right?
- 17:56There's gonna be more and more and more things that are distinct specialties
- 18:01right now, and they are gonna all get swallowed by this mega skill, uh, which,
- 18:06which is basically reducing to people who can architect logical flows and,
- 18:11and communi-- make the big picture architectural decisions that AI can
- 18:14then turn into a bunch of things, right?
- 18:16The scarce unit here is the human who can define intent, right, define that
- 18:20logical flow, make the human-to-machine interface effective and pleasant.
- 18:23That's the UI, UX, the designer component, and then allowing
- 18:26high-quality human decision-making at the necessary scale, uh, and speeds.
- 18:30You know, that's the, um, that's the, the product manager component, and
- 18:35then carry that loop into, you know, various industries: marketing, medicine,
- 18:38law, manufacturing, and agriculture.
- 18:39So, um, I'll g-give you a marketing vignette, right?
- 18:42On July third, twenty twenty-six, the beginning of this month, Alina
- 18:46Uverova, a CMO and co-founder based in Portugal, published a
- 18:49first-person account on LinkedIn.
- 18:51For three months, she ran marketing with AI agents, and two of those
- 18:54months ran near full autonomy, right?
- 18:56The team, in her words, was one marketer, herself, and the agents.
- 19:00The quote: "For three months, I ran my marketing with, with AI agents.
- 19:03Two of those months ran on near full autonomy.
- 19:05The team was one marketer, me and the agents." her monthly output was
- 19:08twenty blog posts, a hundred and ninety-five social posts across seven
- 19:12platforms, four newsletters, forty-three influencers in the pipeline, four
- 19:15hundred and thirty Reddit comments, and then two always-on ad accounts.
- 19:18And her results were she got seven times organic referral, uh, organic
- 19:23results, ten times referrals, thirty percent lower cost per lead at the same
- 19:27spend, and a hundred and thirty-five thousand views on Reddit, which I would
- 19:30view as a, you know, personal failure.
- 19:31But, you know, you're-- so no accounting for taste.
- 19:34While product changes may have mixed in the, into the metrics, this is,
- 19:37this is an incredible accomplishment.
- 19:39though I will disagree with her in one sense, right?
- 19:42This is not autonomous AI marketing.
- 19:44It is a system that multiplies the output of a high-quality
- 19:47human decision-maker, right?
- 19:49The staff department, like if you had a marketing department, they are
- 19:52going to lose on volume and iteration speed before they lose on taste.
- 19:55A-and they are gonna lose on taste as well.
- 19:57but y-you're seeing-- hopefully, you're seeing this same three-skill thing.
- 20:02You have a code that builds the harness, you have content, that's the payload,
- 20:05and then there is a human intimately involved in the design choices.
- 20:09So there's, uh, another marketing, uh, vignette is Timofey, uh, I don't know
- 20:13how to pronounce that last name, but, uh, Aiden's lab, which had tens of
- 20:16thousands of, of AI ad and Mr. Powerz with a Z, their, their case study
- 20:23crossed a hundred and twenty thousand dollars per month within six months.
- 20:26And then this is the same pattern as Uvarova.
- 20:28They had one human governing a content factory.
- 20:31I use, uh, AI to research and do drafts.
- 20:33Usually, it starts with research that I pulled from books or papers that I've
- 20:36read, or depending on the subject, tweets.
- 20:38The LLM takes my outline, goes and does further research on the topics that
- 20:42I've given it, and generates initial drafts, which I edit intensively,
- 20:44both at a line-by-line level and increasingly at a structural level.
- 20:48So one of the cool things that's been happening recently is I'll, I'll go
- 20:51through and I'll find these AI-isms, and I'll tell it, "This is wrong.
- 20:56Fix it throughout the whole rest of the piece." And
- 20:58increasingly, it actually g-- does.
- 20:59It goes through the rest of the piece as I'm kind of going through line
- 21:02by line and, and, and it fixes it.
- 21:04Does a good job.
- 21:05So, and, and I think part of this is, you know, the way I frame it, the mental
- 21:09framework that I have for this is, uh, this is essentially the same workflow
- 21:12as the law firms I was trained for.
- 21:14You know, you have a paralegal or a junior associate.
- 21:16And by the way, the, the law firm as I was trained for it in law school doesn't
- 21:19really exist anymore, which is hilarious.
- 21:21but you have the paralegal or junior associate which finds the
- 21:23case law and drafts the brief.
- 21:25It kind of pulls together, you know, the, the, the different examples, and then
- 21:28the senior lawyer revises, reframes, and puts a final spin on it and then signs.
- 21:32So, uh, you know, my writing stack is that pattern.
- 21:35AI does the grunt work of putting connective tissue between my big
- 21:38ideas, but it is my content and, and I think fairly noticeably
- 21:41different from anybody else.
- 21:43Um, now I don't use AI very much in my actual legal practice.
- 21:46A part of that is getting models and hardware where I can prove that
- 21:49the data isn't processed in a way that violates the ethical rules,
- 21:52which is possible but cumbersome.
- 21:54Um, and, and it's irritating to me 'cause I use, you know, frontier
- 21:58models on, on the content stuff.
- 22:01It's irritating to me to use the, the, the legal models, um, the, the ones that
- 22:05are kind of specifically designed for legal use 'cause they're like, you know,
- 22:07two, two or three iterations behind, uh, where the frontier models are.
- 22:12So a-another part of it is the specific types of law that I practice.
- 22:15So though many, like when in estate planning or transaction work, these
- 22:19are already highly templatized fields.
- 22:22Um, so you know, a template is basically we've, we've reduced this, this workflow
- 22:26to a series of questions that you answer.
- 22:28Um, and it's, it's pretty efficient, right?
- 22:31So the speed gains are not that great, uh, at least not yet.
- 22:34Um, and you know, much of document produ-production, you know, speaking
- 22:38of templates, it, it, it behaves like an AI, AI-- like a template
- 22:41filled from a fact pattern.
- 22:42So, uh, the, the AI can make that explicit.
- 22:45It can reduce the deal, the pleading of the form to a set of clean specs,
- 22:48and then you have it, the separate generation pass, which then writes
- 22:51the document from those specs.
- 22:53Um, and that's much faster, uh, than retyping the prior file.
- 22:57So you have very interesting, uh, very interesting claims being made on Twitter.
- 23:01So on April ninth of this year, a guy named Hello-- @helloparalegal on
- 23:05Twitter posted a Harvard Law solo using Claude Code to ship a thirteen-page
- 23:09intelligence report that beat pitches from fifteen attorney firms.
- 23:14Um, and, and, you know, there's number one, this is sales and
- 23:17business development content.
- 23:18Uh, so, you know, you always take that stuff with a grain of salt.
- 23:21But I, I mean, I, I think it's really interesting that he's able to put
- 23:25something together that's competitive that, that clients are liking.
- 23:28Um, and, and I would also note, you know, parenthetically, that there are
- 23:32obvious implications to being able to pull together an intelligence report.
- 23:35Okay?
- 23:36Another example is, uh, GetDynasty, which is a qualified small business, uh,
- 23:40stock, uh, which is a way of basically not if you, if you start your business
- 23:45as a C corp instead of as an S corp or if you convert, um, uh, appro-- at an
- 23:50appropriate time, uh, there, then you are able to not pay, uh, capital gains on a
- 23:55certain amount of your, your net value if you then later sell the business.
- 23:59So QSBS is a, is a big area.
- 24:01Um, now I, I, uh, wanna explicitly say that, uh, q-- the GetDynasty.com,
- 24:06the framing that they're taking is, is more aggressive than I
- 24:10would recommend for my clients.
- 24:11And so, you know, they're-- I think, uh, we will all find out in the next couple of
- 24:16years if the IRS disagrees with the, the, the, the, the stance that they have taken.
- 24:21And if the IRS successfully disagrees with them, well, then the-- it'll be
- 24:24really interesting to find out just how similar the AI, um, generated
- 24:29stuff for all their clients was.
- 24:32but what I want, what I wanna think of it for you is, the, the way I want, I
- 24:35want you to think of this example is there is still a lawyer involved in this.
- 24:39This is essentially a lawyer who figured out, a lawyer pr-probably plus some,
- 24:43some software guys that figured out, hey, this is turning into, this QSBS
- 24:49space is turning into a volume business.
- 24:51It's turning into a business where I can't really make money doing
- 24:57high-level expensive bespoke work.
- 24:59you know, which means I can't make money structured as a law firm, right?
- 25:03So what I wanna do is make an AI product that can do the volume piece, right,
- 25:08without having to s-- get a bunch of funding and spin up, you know, a, a big
- 25:11law firm with, with bunches of attorneys kind of churning, which leads to its
- 25:15own, you know, quality control problems.
- 25:16Pro-- frankly, like, if you were to just go to, you know, Robert Half or one of
- 25:20these, you know, attorney, uh, document review kind of aggregator firms where
- 25:24you can go and just, you know, if you have enough budget, you can go and say,
- 25:26"Hey, I need five hundred attorneys to be able to log into this portal and,
- 25:30and, and review documents," right?
- 25:32And they'll, they'll give you a number, and they've got those attorneys, right?
- 25:36But the, the quality of those attorneys, you know, with respect to them, um, and
- 25:40I've worked in some of these subpoena mills in the past I, I, I would question
- 25:44if it would be, if it would be worse than what the AI is gonna give them.
- 25:48Okay?
- 25:49So there, there, there is that.
- 25:50But I also think that, like I said, there, there's, there's some interesting
- 25:53things with, uh, with Get Dynasty and it-- and, and, you know, we will have to
- 25:58see big picture if the bet that they have made on the, the, uh, on the QSBS, uh,
- 26:03s-trust stacking, it works out for them.
- 26:06another example and one that I, I think is probably a little bit more, I, I,
- 26:10I don't have as much concerns about just the fundamental risks that they're
- 26:14taking is FundLaunch, fundlaunch.com, uh, which opens, like you go to their
- 26:18website, it opens as a chat skin.
- 26:20You can pick among six to eight fund types: real estate, buyout,
- 26:23long/short, private credit, search fund, et cetera, crypto funds.
- 26:27And, you know, from-- you, you, you're interacting with this chatbot, so you
- 26:30kind of s-select what type of fund it is, you select how big it is, and then
- 26:34it asks you questions kind of in like a, like the, uh, like ChatGPT, right?
- 26:38Where you go and you just sort of do a, uh, a brain dump on ChatGPT.
- 26:42You just give the brain dump to this, this FundLaunch AI, which I, I, I, it,
- 26:46I think is a wrapper of one of the GPTs.
- 26:49and it figures out what you want, right?
- 26:51And it, and it generates documents, right?
- 26:53And so they have somewhere, uh, you know, s- I saw some, something to
- 26:56the effect of like, we, we-- "This is reviewed by actual attorneys,"
- 26:59which reviewed is a fascinating term.
- 27:02I'm not sure that it has a hard legal definition right now.
- 27:05the, the-- I, I would assume that there is a, a lawyer certainly
- 27:08before they file it, right?
- 27:10So there's, there's an add-on price.
- 27:11They'll give you the, they'll give you the drafted docs, and then if you want them to
- 27:14file it, then they're gonna have an actual attorney come in and kind of review it.
- 27:17I think the most interesting thing to me about FundLaunch is You know, most
- 27:21of the way that people frame the AI discussion, the way I often frame the
- 27:25AI discussion of what it's going to take is, well, the human interaction
- 27:29pieces are going to stay, right?
- 27:31But FundLaunch is taking a lot of the human interaction
- 27:34out, and people like that.
- 27:36Like, that's the thing that I find.
- 27:38The people that really like FundLaunch, many of them, many of them are people
- 27:42that find interacting with, uh, with the types of high-powered attorneys that
- 27:46do fund structuring deeply unpleasant.
- 27:49And so they really enjoy just talking to this, this chat that is very nice
- 27:55and unfailingly polite and always encouraging and tells you that you're,
- 27:59you're, you're brilliant and, and are going to be successful and gets
- 28:02all the information out of you over a timescale that, that, that a lawyer just
- 28:07probably couldn't make money if they spent that long with a client, right?
- 28:10In ma- in many ways, these kind of high-powered attorneys are finding
- 28:13themselves in the, the same type of situation that doctors were in, you know,
- 28:17twenty, thirty years ago as they were, you know, starting to really push the, you got
- 28:21to get the interview down, you know, the, the time with the doctor down to fifteen
- 28:25minutes and then five minutes, right?
- 28:26That's, that's-- They're not doing that in many ways, or the, the firms
- 28:30are resisting that, and they're, uh, they're better financed than, uh, than
- 28:33the, than the doctoral group, the, the medical groups were at the time.
- 28:36But they're, they're under that same kind of economic pressure, You
- 28:40know, and another way to think about this is, you know, every business is
- 28:42becoming a content business twice over.
- 28:44Once in marketing, right?
- 28:45You gotta, you gotta generate demand, you gotta solve the distribution problem.
- 28:49And then a second time in compliance, right?
- 28:52Footage or any other computerized artifact is becoming the permanent
- 28:55record of what was sold, what was done, and how it was done, right?
- 28:59And, and, you know, again, as I've noted in the past, the software
- 29:02that finds a camera angle for a narrative mirrors the software that
- 29:05finds a firing angle to a target.
- 29:07This is the same geometry.
- 29:08And, and a-another, another thing to, to think about is that the same loop applies
- 29:13to co- applies to copyrighted works.
- 29:14So, um, you, you extract the specs, and then you regenerate from the
- 29:19specs alone in a separate AI process.
- 29:22And, uh, for copyright purposes, that regenerated artifact is, is,
- 29:25at least under current law, legally independent of the prior file, even
- 29:29when it does all the same things, right?
- 29:31Um, so templates were already doing this in the, in the areas
- 29:34of, of law that could be templated.
- 29:36Um, but AI makes the, the kind of the spec-to-work loop cheap enough
- 29:39to change the business model in, in a whole host of, a whole host of ways.
- 29:43So let's talk about medicine.
- 29:45Um, in, in, also in April of this year, Doximity OpMed, uh, run by Oren Foss, an
- 29:51MD who runs a solo cataract micro practice in Denton, Texas, which is, you know, very
- 29:55close to me, has zero full-time employees.
- 29:58AI routes incoming faxes into his EMR.
- 30:01Uh, he self-schedules patients, and he automates the insurance verification.
- 30:05He aims at about five new patients and ten cataracts a week and
- 30:09gives each patient about an hour.
- 30:10So that-- this actually, this model has, has allowed him to spend more time with
- 30:16the clients because he's spending almost no time doing the paperwork, right?
- 30:20Uh, it's one guy plus this AI harness, and that's, that's taking all of the, um, all
- 30:26of the other people out, which means he doesn't have to do the volume that he did.
- 30:30So again, in, in law, the, there, there's this, this pressure to
- 30:34spend less time with the client.
- 30:36In medicine, they've kind of hit their, hit their rock bottom, and
- 30:38AI is kind of helping them come back to spend more time with the client.
- 30:42Uh, similar things are happening in, in manufacturing, right?
- 30:46So there's a company called Figure AI.
- 30:49They have a, um, they have a factory called BotQ, and they,
- 30:54they, they, they have a robot they, they're calling the Figure 03.
- 30:58And they were able to ramp up the production of their robots from one
- 31:01robot today-- per day to one robot per hour, about twenty-four times in under
- 31:06a hundred and twenty days with more than three hundred, uh, fifty robots delivered.
- 31:09And the way they did that was they took their humanoid robots
- 31:12that they're building, and they put them into the workflow.
- 31:15So, um, so their, their Figure robots, the same robots that they're selling, are in
- 31:20their factory assembling key components and moving material between stations.
- 31:23So you have robots building robots.
- 31:25And, and, um, you know, it's a really interesting setup.
- 31:27They have a custom MES across a hundred fifty plus workstations
- 31:31plus that hybrid line.
- 31:33And, and, you know, one of the things that we're learning is that, that
- 31:37the AI robot stuff is gonna change how we organize our factories.
- 31:44And I, I would argue that it's gonna have a similar impact on, on our corporations.
- 31:48And this has happened before, right?
- 31:49A century ago when, uh, when we moved from, from steam, um, steam engines
- 31:55or sometimes water wheel engines.
- 31:56The way factories were set up, you had one kind of source of mechanical power
- 32:01on the wall kinda coming in from either this-- the boiler room or again, from like
- 32:05a water wheel, and you would mechanically attach to whatever you're doing to
- 32:11that big, that big mechanical source.
- 32:13There's a-- If, if anybody's seen, you know, the old, uh, the old,
- 32:16um, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, right?
- 32:19With, where he's got his, he's got his windmill, and inside the windmill,
- 32:22he's got just a ton of stuff that's mechanically hooked up to that windmill
- 32:27and all these gears, and he, he's kind of got ways of attaching new machines
- 32:30as he builds around his workshop, right?
- 32:32when people first started getting electric motors, the idea was, "Well,
- 32:36we're just gonna get a, a, an electric motor and put it on that big drive
- 32:40shaft at, at the top of the factory, and, and that's gonna be better." Well,
- 32:44it, it wasn't really better, right?
- 32:45Sometime-- I mean, occasionally, there, there, there were, there were places
- 32:48where, um, they couldn't get a boiler room or they couldn't get water power for
- 32:52whatever reason, um, and, and the electric motor was better, uh, better than nothing.
- 32:57But the real gains came when instead of having one big source of mechanical
- 33:02power that you then vector to, to each of your workstations, you
- 33:06just put an electric engine at each workstation and then ultimately on,
- 33:10on each machine, each power tool.
- 33:12And that was the real, the real gains.
- 33:15And so we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to do the same thing, right?
- 33:18Our corporations, the way our corporations are working right now, they have a
- 33:22management system that is effectively that big mechanical drive shaft.
- 33:27And so we need to redesign the corporation.
- 33:29We need to redesign human organization around distributed judgment and command,
- 33:33not around departmental handoffs built for a pre-AI factory, right?
- 33:37So, so there's a bunch of people that are trying to figure out how to do this.
- 33:41I'm not-- I don't, I don't know that anyone quite has, you know, seems
- 33:44to have come out with a, "Hey, this is the secret sauce. This is the way
- 33:47to do it." you know, and this, this is a new information technology.
- 33:51The, the corporation was originally built around paper.
- 33:54It was, it was the printing press.
- 33:55It was the ability to create identical sheets of paper and spread them
- 33:59around what you were doing that allowed us to do the corporation.
- 34:02And now AI is, is dramatically changing that.
- 34:06You know, one of the things that, that AI makes possible is that, um,
- 34:09you can have the same information.
- 34:12It looks like, uh, my friend Robert has jumped off, but this is what, this
- 34:16is what Runcible is, is working on.
- 34:18Um, you can have the same information presented in multiple different ways.
- 34:22Um, and, and that's, that's a problem that AI can solve, right?
- 34:25It can bring a bunch of different information or information systems
- 34:28that categorize it a little bit differently and bring it into one
- 34:31information-- one kind of user interface, and you can standardize that across
- 34:35all, all the things you're doing.
- 34:37Another thing that you could do is you could have every single person have
- 34:42their own idiosyncratic user interface.
- 34:45Now within limits, right?
- 34:46The, the, the corporation is gonna have requirements, but you could
- 34:49have the AI optimize the user interface for each individual person.
- 34:54And I think certainly for people that are using AI, when they've got the power,
- 34:58they've got the, the, the, the tool that can make them new stuff, right?
- 35:02They're for sure gonna do that, right?
- 35:04It's the same kind of thing, you know, I, I really wonder when, uh, when
- 35:08Figure gets its, um, gets its robots into production, like, what are you not
- 35:13gonna be able to do with that robot?
- 35:14Like, you buy a robot that can, that can make stuff, are, are you gonna need
- 35:18construction workers anymore, right?
- 35:20When you, when you do a remodel of your house or a remodel of, of, of your factory
- 35:25or your office, if you've got one of those robots, you'd be crazy not to have the
- 35:29robot just work on it at nighttime, right?
- 35:31Like, this is gonna create all… Like, just having that thing, having
- 35:35that capacity in there is going to dramatically reshape things, so All right.
- 35:41So now we're gonna talk for, for the next extended little bit, we're
- 35:44gonna talk about one of my favorite subjects, which is farming, right?
- 35:47And of course, we'll start with my, uh, you know, the, the, the obligatory, those
- 35:51of you who have heard me rant on this subject will just have to put up with it.
- 35:54Right now, we farm in a way that is, I consider really bad, right?
- 35:58Standard industrial agriculture runs on a petrochemical stack.
- 36:01We have synthetic fertilizers, we have herbicides, we have
- 36:03insecticides, we have fungicides, and there's just a bunch of hazards.
- 36:07There's, you know, acute toxicity.
- 36:09presumably, most of you will have seen on, on, on Twitter at one point, you know,
- 36:12the, the pictures of people out, you know, in the fields with hazmat suits on, right?
- 36:18I know parenthetically that, that people are considering whether or not to,
- 36:21uh, to allow amnesty for farm workers right now, and we really should ask
- 36:25what, what is going on in those, uh, in those working conditions and, and, you
- 36:30know, do we, do we have modern slaves?
- 36:32And is that, is that really how we wanna do it?
- 36:34Um, and then there's also, you know, long-term effects on soil
- 36:36microbiome, pollinators, residual chemistry in food and water that,
- 36:40you know, we're still figuring out.
- 36:41Um, so I, I have a friend of mine who has-- owns land that was formerly a,
- 36:45a peanut farm, and you use a lot of Roundup in, in, in peanut farming.
- 36:49And so for peanuts, you know, what you want is, you know, three to six
- 36:53inches of sand and then clay, right?
- 36:56Or at least you can do peanuts on that land, and so people do.
- 36:59but that setup, when you're spraying Roundup on the fields,
- 37:03uh, the Roundup goes down into the clay, and it just sits there.
- 37:07A Roundup, you know, glyphosate, you know, breaks down in, in an oxygen-based
- 37:11environment, in an aerobic environment.
- 37:13But if it gets into the clay, the clay is anaerobic, uh, it doesn't break
- 37:16down, and so it just concentrates year after year after year.
- 37:19And so you get, you know, you get clay samples that have three or four times the
- 37:25legal d- limit for what you're supposed to have in soil that, that, that, you know,
- 37:29is, is around humans and, and animals.
- 37:32And, you know, nobody, nobody thought of that.
- 37:34Nobody knew that.
- 37:35Nobody had done that analysis ahead of time and then, "Oh, well, maybe on this
- 37:39particular land, we shouldn't use this chemical that's in everything," you know.
- 37:42And, and, I mean, glyphosate is, is a, is a crazy common chemical, right?
- 37:48So-- But there's some really interesting new technologies that
- 37:51are coming out that I think are gonna, are, are gonna change that.
- 37:54So the one, the one that, that's, that I think is, is most applicable to the stuff
- 37:57we're talking about today is, is light.
- 37:59So, um, using lasers, uh, to… They can do a bunch of different things.
- 38:04One of the things they can do is they can suppress surface pathogens.
- 38:06So you have, uh, you have, uh, blight, or you have some fungus, or you have
- 38:11something that's kinda growing on the plant that you're trying to harvest.
- 38:15You can use lasers, um, you can use UV to, to deal with those, those fungus, those
- 38:22fungus without using a chemical fungicide, without using a chemical herbicide, right?
- 38:26If you have laser weed eating, you burn the weed's growing point
- 38:30with no herbicide residue, right?
- 38:33Um, and then you have spectrum recipes, so, so different wavelengths.
- 38:35You know, everyone's heard of, like, red light therapy for humans now.
- 38:38Well, for plants, there is red light and blue, far-red, green,
- 38:42controlled UV, and all of these kind of activate different things.
- 38:45They shape growth and defense chemistry.
- 38:47Light is, is food and signal.
- 38:49Now, of course, light cannot It can make nutrient use more efficient.
- 38:53It cannot-- Like, if there's no nitrogen or no phosphorus or no potassium in
- 38:56the, in the plant, it can't create those things ex nihilo, right?
- 39:00Those, those things are, are, are, you know, you gotta
- 39:02have those atoms in the soil.
- 39:04What light can amplify is a living polyculture.
- 39:06Many species on one acre, not a single crop drowning in synthetic inputs.
- 39:10Um, there's a guy who I greatly admire named Joel Salatin in
- 39:14Virginia, and he has talked about this idea of polyculture, right?
- 39:18So having many plants, um, and on, and on Salatin's farm, animals
- 39:22sharing the same ground, so the acre does several jobs at once.
- 39:25Um, and this is really interesting.
- 39:27This allows you in many ways to get away from, uh, from chemical monoculture.
- 39:31Um, one of the, the, the famous examples that Salatin uses that
- 39:35I'm, I'm, I'm taking, right?
- 39:36But he came up with this.
- 39:38Um, at the… The old prairie was, was very interesting.
- 39:43The old prairie was, you know, just grass.
- 39:45It was, it was, it was, you know, very big, right?
- 39:48The prairie grass would grow higher than a man's head.
- 39:51and it had a bunch of different species in it.
- 39:54And basically, they thought, well, prairie grass is just this, is this
- 39:57magical grass of some, some genetic variant that was extinguished 'cause
- 40:00we cut down the prairie grass and it didn't grow, uh, it didn't grow back.
- 40:03And what they found was they, they… By the way, they still have, I think it's
- 40:06the University of Wisconsin still has like a, like a quarter acre or a half acre of,
- 40:10uh, of prairie grass that they preserved.
- 40:13And it's got like fifty different species in it.
- 40:17Um, and we, we have been able, you know, to, to replicate when you introduce more
- 40:22types of grass, especially many more.
- 40:24So, so, uh, Cedar Creek, uh, did this thing where they had sixteen
- 40:28species of grass, and the grass grew two and a half times, two point
- 40:32seven times larger and more dense.
- 40:35Um, and so, so if you, if you have grass that is just one species,
- 40:39just one type of grass, it, it can't, it can't grow very big.
- 40:43Uh, mixed roots and canopies build biomass and soil architecture in a way
- 40:47that a single variety cannot match.
- 40:48Yeah.
- 40:49Another thing that different plants do is they put different
- 40:51nutrients back into the soil.
- 40:53Uh, legumes fix nitrogen, deep roots mine minerals, covers and
- 40:56companions feed the microbiome.
- 40:57And, and you've heard, you know, uh, George Washington Carver, crop
- 41:00rotation, you know, that's where, that's when we started raising peanuts.
- 41:03Um- But the, the, the thing that is interesting about polyculture is
- 41:09what if you could have all of those plants in the field at the same time?
- 41:13Especially if you pair that with, you know, light prescription.
- 41:16So you have spectrum, you have dose and timing, and you can get this
- 41:19vigor without having to, to spray the fields with petrochemical mixes that
- 41:24you need a hazmat suit for, right?
- 41:26Um, now the reason why we don't do this, the reason why we haven't done
- 41:29this is that a combine cannot pick three crops, uh, at one time, right?
- 41:34The combine, you gotta tune it for whatever crop it's picking.
- 41:37There's a certain pressure that it can use, and you have to have one thing
- 41:40that, you know, uh, that if you're using a spray boom or whatever, it, it,
- 41:43it needs every plant to be the same.
- 41:46And, and in fact, you know, that's kinda how, how it works.
- 41:48If you have, you know, potatoes or whatever that are, that are too soft or
- 41:51sometimes too hard, those are rejected.
- 41:53There's something wrong with them.
- 41:54We wanna sort those out.
- 41:56But more and more, we're having, you know, articulated robotic hands and,
- 42:00and they, and they change that, right?
- 42:01So you can, you can have something that's integrated.
- 42:04It can see, classify, and handle individual plants.
- 42:07And, and with this, with AI and robots, polyculture becomes something
- 42:11that can reach industrial scale.
- 42:13the, the, the example that I'm giving give is, uh, Kyber Labs.
- 42:16So, uh, at the end of last year, uh, Kyber Labs posted a back-drivable
- 42:21robotic hand spinning a nut onto a bolt at extreme speed.
- 42:24So they had the, the nut and the bolt and, and the hand was very, very
- 42:28quickly, like it, it was blurred, um, turning the, the, the nut on.
- 42:32And what they did was somebody would stick their finger in into this very fast-moving
- 42:37machine, and the AI would stop it, right?
- 42:40Immediately.
- 42:40It wouldn't hurt your hand.
- 42:42I don't really understand why this is true, but for whatever reason, he got this
- 42:46bad interview with some, some of these mainstream, uh, mainstream interviewers.
- 42:50It was a couple of women, and they decided that, that his product was, like, about
- 42:55sex toys or something of this nature.
- 42:57And so there's some really weird marketing around him or re-weird
- 43:01kind of search results around him.
- 43:02Um, the founder kinda came out on X. He was like, "This is not what we're
- 43:06about. We don't know why they talked about this. This is not what we talked
- 43:09about." This is very frustrating to him.
- 43:11Uh, it's a great innovation.
- 43:13Um, and, and the real payoff that I see is… So, but, you know,
- 43:16obviously, if you search for it, just kinda, uh, be, be advised.
- 43:19Um, some, some, so he-- They got some interviewers that were, that were weird,
- 43:23bad modern women, though I repeat myself.
- 43:26so the real payoff that I see is as a general purpose harvester, you know,
- 43:30for soft fruits and for different fruits at industrial speeds, okay?
- 43:35So, um, and then, then there's a, a related concept called permaculture,
- 43:39which takes polyculture even further.
- 43:40So you stack layers, canopy, understory, shrubs, herbs, and ground cover, um,
- 43:45and it's designed as a food forest that feeds itself over the years.
- 43:48And, and, and again, the opportunity that I want you to see is with
- 43:51robotic harvesting that can see and, you know, with, with AI that can
- 43:54see and pick plant by plant, you are no longer forced into monocultural
- 43:58rows for the sake of the machine.
- 43:59You can still get incredibly efficient yields, dense layered production
- 44:03without using hazmat chemistry.
- 44:05Okay?
- 44:06And, you know, we might call this a, a plant ledger, a living record of every
- 44:10plant that stood on that square foot for the last three years and, and a plan,
- 44:14a projection of every plant that will stand there for the next three, right?
- 44:17If you pair that light prescription with that ledger, you have rotation,
- 44:21companion planting, and the, and the, the light spectrum, the wavelengths,
- 44:24that becomes a plan score, not, not a guess after the spray truck leaves.
- 44:27Because right now, again, we do things at the level of, you know, a, a sometimes a
- 44:32fifty-acre field or a thirty-acre field.
- 44:34There are still people that do, you know, ten-acre fields, um, but,
- 44:37but less and less of them because, you know, monocultures is becoming
- 44:40less and less efficient, and the margins are, are worse and worse.
- 44:43There's, there's way more co-quality control issues that, that, that
- 44:46you-- than you used to have.
- 44:48Um, for management and for compliance, you know, whether it's buyer regulatory
- 44:52or insurer, I think this is an incredible use case for some kind
- 44:55of blockchain or crypto technology.
- 44:57You know, it's an auditable history of what grew where,
- 45:00what was treated, and when.
- 45:01And, and then again, we, we, we are reducing this to the same
- 45:05three basic skill sets, right?
- 45:07So you have AI-- little drones that are going out and scouting.
- 45:11They've got cameras on there that are feeding back into an AI system
- 45:14that's classifying what it's seeing, and then there's doing analysis and
- 45:17prescribing what do we need to do.
- 45:19Then if, if what it needs to do is, is, is, you know, strike with a laser at
- 45:24a, at a bug or at a, at a weed or at something that needs to be cauterized,
- 45:29um, you know, this is, this is the same loop as that defensive swarm,
- 45:33that, that defensive drone swarm that we were talking about last week.
- 45:36Um, it's defending a field faster than the farmers of today can imagine.
- 45:39I mean, you know, most farmers basically if, if you get blight, if you get
- 45:42some kind of, of, you know, fungal or some kind of infection in your
- 45:46field, the whole field is done, right?
- 45:48There's, there's no coming back from that.
- 45:50Well, if you could have drones that are flying around looking, and every
- 45:55time they, they see something going bad or, or, or, you know, fungus starting
- 45:59to grow, they cauterize the area.
- 46:01Or every time they see a weed, they, they zap it, right?
- 46:03Every time they see a bug or, you know, um, you know, some, some kind
- 46:07of, of insect, some kind of pest coming in, they, they can kill the bugs as
- 46:11they're flying into the field, right?
- 46:14Well, then you don't need to just leave these chemicals that have
- 46:17to last for days or weeks, right?
- 46:19Um, 'cause I mean, that-that's one of the real problems with these chemicals.
- 46:22They're kind of designed to be forever chemicals.
- 46:24If they were easy to break down, then you'd have to spray them all the time.
- 46:27So you wanna-- what you want is to be able to spray and then, you know, then
- 46:31have it last so that anything that flies in for the next six weeks or, or
- 46:35more dies that you don't like, okay?
- 46:38And, and again, I think, I think this is gonna dramatically,
- 46:41uh, reshape agriculture.
- 46:43So, uh, one of the, one of the, the, the companies in this space is called Carbon.
- 46:48Just so you know that this is not just something that I came with--
- 46:50came up with out of my own mind.
- 46:51Um, I-- for the record, I was talking about this before any of
- 46:55these companies existed or had announced any of these things.
- 46:58I saw it coming, gentlemen, uh, ladies and gentlemen.
- 47:01So in February of twenty twenty-five, Carbon Robotics announced, uh, scale
- 47:04numbers for its laser weeder line.
- 47:06It's a, it's a tractor-pulled module with cameras, classifiers, and CO2
- 47:10layers-- lasers trained on more than a hundred and fifty million plants.
- 47:13So Carbon says this tech has been used on two hundred and fifty thousand
- 47:16acres in fifteen countries on a hundred plus crop types with more than fifteen
- 47:20billion weeds eliminated, which is great marketing copy, and, and again, the system
- 47:24is, is doing what I was talking about.
- 47:25It can, it can look at, it can take a picture, it can identify what is
- 47:28the crop versus what is the weed.
- 47:30It can feed, uh, fire at the weed, and, you know, and, and that might
- 47:33be, you know, mere centimeters, inches or centimeters from the plants that
- 47:38you're needing to protect, and it only hits what you want it to hit.
- 47:41And then it, it logs the shot forever.
- 47:43Like, that-- whatever-- every single time you zap something, the system
- 47:47knows that it, it zapped, and it knows, you know, basically on what
- 47:50square foot it did it, So then Cornell University, uh, which is the land-grant
- 47:54university in New York, it's got, uh, you know, Cornell Agri-Agritech.
- 47:58Um, it runs comparative field trials on farm technology.
- 48:01So in June of twenty twenty-five, the Cornell Chronicle reported their,
- 48:04their trial of commercial laser weeders against common East Coast weeds.
- 48:09and so what they found was that lasers can match or beat common herbicides
- 48:13on several upright broadleaf weeds.
- 48:15It's weaker on some grasses and sprawling plants.
- 48:18But again, the thing is, is that y-you can record every single kill, right?
- 48:23You can record every single laser strike, and, and you can preserve that so you
- 48:27know-- you, you, you don't just know that all the weeds were taken care of.
- 48:31You know how many weeds were taken care of.
- 48:32You can see the whole thing.
- 48:34And, and, and I'll note parenthetically, um, this is the
- 48:37defender's wartime loop, right?
- 48:39You scout, you, you classify, and then you strike.
- 48:42And, uh, this-- what this is gonna mean is that the ROTC and the Grange
- 48:45kids are o-once again gonna be the same kids using effectively the same tech.
- 48:50Trick Robotics over, you know, in California, there's a guy named
- 48:53Adam Stager, uh, who is-- again, these, these are tractor units.
- 48:57Um, they're using UV, UV light and bug vacuums on some of California's
- 49:01largest strawberry fields.
- 49:03So they've, they've treated tens of thousands of acres, and
- 49:05they're, you know, they're, they're doubling their fleet every year.
- 49:08So they-- basically, they go out at night and with no chemicals, they have
- 49:12UV, they kill the pathogens and pests, and then they suck it out of the field.
- 49:15Okay?
- 49:16I think that the next step, th-this is the thing that I'm gonna predict,
- 49:19is that, that this is gonna leave the, um, we-- this is gonna leave
- 49:24the, the, the tractor thing.
- 49:26There might be still some things that, that run on tractors.
- 49:27Obviously, for whatever reason, if you need to vacuum stuff out, right?
- 49:31That'll probably be more efficient on a tractor.
- 49:33But I think for lasers, that can be put on instead of having, uh, you know,
- 49:38a laser array in a box that you're dragging across a field, have one
- 49:42laser per drone and have, have a cloud of drones moving across the field.
- 49:46And one of the things that will allow is if one of those breaks, then you
- 49:50fix the one, the one drone, right?
- 49:53Rather than having many of these models, um, when, when one laser
- 49:57breaks on the array, you have to take the whole array out and get it fixed.
- 50:00It's a very expensive process.
- 50:02uh, uh, you know, one of, one of my ideas here for this would be, uh,
- 50:05something called Farm OS, right?
- 50:08So You have, you have a scout which, which scout drones which map stress,
- 50:13it, it map insects, weeds, disease, and then you have the Farm OS,
- 50:16which writes a light prescription.
- 50:18You know, if you're using the, the, the, the wavelengths against the
- 50:20plant ledger, it, it figures out what spectrum, what dose, what the
- 50:23time, what the tool, and what square foot we're doing this on, right?
- 50:27What's been planted here for the last three years?
- 50:29What are we planning to plant here?
- 50:31Um, and, and then sometimes 'cause sometimes the, the, the remedy might
- 50:35be, oh, well, we need to plant.
- 50:37We need to add to this field.
- 50:39We need to plant new things, um, which is really interesting.
- 50:43It's, it's really interesting that, that, that can be a solution because different
- 50:46plants kind of create immune resistance against monocultural blights, right?
- 50:52And then, and then you send out the drones, which, which just do it.
- 50:55And, and, and again, I'm, I'm kind of describing this without describe--
- 50:58without talking about the human role.
- 51:00This is all going to work much better when you have a human in the loop.
- 51:03I assume at some point we'll get, you know, kinda automated hydroponic
- 51:07farms where everything is in an enclosed, you know, shipping container
- 51:09style thing and, and the-- and, and AI can probably get to the point
- 51:12where it can run that pretty well.
- 51:14Um, but for actually dealing with the real world, I don't think you're
- 51:18gonna be able to replace, certainly not anytime soon, and again,
- 51:22certainly not cost-effectively, right?
- 51:24You might be able to have, you know, Peter Thiel might be able to spend, you
- 51:28know, a billion dollars or something on an AI that watches his field
- 51:32and makes all the decisions, right?
- 51:35But it's not gonna be cost-effective for a really long time to have a-- just to
- 51:40have all of the decisions made by the AI.
- 51:44There's gonna be a need for humans in the loop to, to make decisions and say, "Okay,
- 51:48do this, do that." the thing that I… Hopefully, it's coming through that this
- 51:53is still the same three skill sets, right?
- 51:56This is code, this is content, this is command.
- 51:59So you're setting up the logical requirements.
- 52:01You're, you're figuring out how to… You know, one of the, one of the things about,
- 52:06about content for this is when you're dealing with, with user interface, you're
- 52:09dealing with making things comfortable.
- 52:11You're also trying to make it comfortable for the animals, right?
- 52:13You're also trying to figure out how not to stress the animals.
- 52:16'Cause if you stress the animals out, then you're gonna get, you know,
- 52:18bad, bad outcomes from that, right?
- 52:21And, you know, right now our bottleneck is toxic chemical
- 52:24inputs and the cheap disposable labor needed, uh, to apply them.
- 52:28And, and I think as these technologies come in, we're gonna
- 52:32need more and more holistic humans.
- 52:33We're gonna need more and more gentleman farmers, more guys that are, are able
- 52:37to think through how do we… And, and I think that's gonna be true even for, uh,
- 52:41the guys that stay on the chemical kinda track Because they're gonna need, you
- 52:46know, the-- i-in ten years, you're not gonna have-- you're not gonna use cheap
- 52:51foreign labor that's gonna get cancer, right, from, from your chemicals, and
- 52:55you're just gonna hope that they go back to their home country and don't sue you.
- 52:58Um, or the-- I, I think we're gonna move to robots in all of
- 53:01these, all of these industries.
- 53:03And again, once you've got robots, once you've got an AI system that's,
- 53:07that's looking at the field, well, then there's no reason, there's no need to
- 53:12have it be a monoculture at that point.
- 53:13You've already made the leap.
- 53:15You've already made the investment.
- 53:16It's gonna be way easier to convert to a polyculture or maybe
- 53:20even a permaculture, uh, framing.
- 53:22And so, you know, that, that, that's my white-pilled take on this, and,
- 53:26you know, I mentioned Peter Thiel.
- 53:27He, he invested heavily in, uh, Halter, which is a New Zealand company that puts
- 53:32solar-powered GPS collars on cattle.
- 53:34Um, and, and again, th-this is-- they're able to use virtual fences.
- 53:38They're able to track them.
- 53:40Um, so the, the, the, the founder said, you know, the idea is here, you're
- 53:43gonna be able to manage your farm from a phone without dogs, horses,
- 53:46motorbikes, or helicopters as the default.
- 53:48And, you know, I mean, I th-- I think one of the things that I would, I
- 53:52would point out there is, is that you're still gonna need drones.
- 53:56You're gonna need drones to… If you, if you've got an animal that's sick
- 53:59or that's got something wrong with it, you're gonna need a drone to go out there
- 54:01and, you know, deliver the medicine.
- 54:03You're gonna need the drone to go out there and give, you
- 54:05know, kind of the supplements.
- 54:06You're also gonna need in, in most all of Latin America, for sure, and
- 54:09m-- and much of the, the American Midwest, uh, you're gonna need, you
- 54:13know, attack drones to defend, uh, your herds from, from dogs, from
- 54:17predators, from, you know, cougar and, and, um, and wolves in, in many places.
- 54:22And even, even in some, you know, for especially for smaller livestock,
- 54:25from coyotes and things like that.
- 54:27And, and again, that is a skill set that has profound, uh, profound
- 54:33military applications The final, the final major, um, vignette that
- 54:38I'll share with you tonight or today is, is the, uh, Morpho in Rio.
- 54:43Um, in January, this is about two years ago.
- 54:46They, they, they demonstrated seeding drones at Mirante do, do Pedral in,
- 54:51um, Botafogo with a pilot aimed at the Posse Forest in Campo Grande.
- 54:55So the, the CEO of Morpho is, uh, Gregory Maitre, and he partnered with
- 55:01the city under Re-Refloresta Rio.
- 55:04So the AI planting-- the AI would come up with planting plans.
- 55:07It would look at the topography and say, "Here is where we could plant trees,"
- 55:11where there's some level of, like a little natural protection, something
- 55:15where the water's gonna gather so the, the sa- the sapling can come out.
- 55:18and they're, they're able to do that.
- 55:20So they were able to seed at least twenty native species across succession
- 55:24statio- stages, and they called it a smart plantation, which decides which
- 55:28seeds go where in what mix and quantity.
- 55:30And the drone was able to fire about a hundred and eighty capsules a minute.
- 55:34Um, so a two-person team and a drone claimed roughly a hundred times faster
- 55:38than traditional planting, right?
- 55:40So Maitre said, "The work begins much earlier with the reconnaissance of the
- 55:43area, with the identification of the best species, and ends much later with
- 55:47the long-term monitoring. The drone is the central part of all this work."
- 55:51And of course, they're using artificial intelligence to monitor
- 55:53and track seedlings and s- and seeds and not just to seed the drop
- 55:59Mm-hmm.
- 56:00So again, you know, these are civilian jobs.
- 56:03They have massive implications, right?
- 56:05Builder, solo marketer, laser weeder, UV strawberry fleet,
- 56:08cattle caller, seed drone forest.
- 56:11Um, hopefully, you see how these types of force multipliers are im-- Like, it's
- 56:15impossible to do this in the civilian context without acquiring skills that
- 56:19are relevant in, you know, what, uh, what Roman Helmut guy famously called the
- 56:23natural meritocracy of extreme violence.
- 56:25Um, and, and that's gonna mean that the most valuable profession in peace
- 56:29and the most dangerous operator in war are going to look, uh, similar.
- 56:33They're gonna understand the world more closely than those two
- 56:37groups have in four hundred years.
- 56:39Um, and I think that's going to, um, that's going to have massive…
- 56:42And, and, and I can't stress this, like, there, there, there is the
- 56:45possibility for massively positive changes to our world from this.
- 56:50so, um, as I said in the beginning, humans are not obsolete.
- 56:53AI is going to reshape every industry: software, marketing,
- 56:56medicine, manufacturing, uh, the field and the forest, right?
- 56:59The various types of ag.
- 57:00And the-- it's gonna do that through these core skill sets: code,
- 57:04content, command, which basically all have military, uh, applications.
- 57:08And again, the, the social and economic implications of that are
- 57:11huge, maybe greater than what I'm putting in front of you, um, today.
- 57:15So next time, uh, we'll, we'll talk about, uh, where the safe professions
- 57:19are, which I actually think is the wrong question, but we'll get into
- 57:23it, and then we'll talk about next time the, the economics of a Prime.
- 57:26What are the economics of somebody that has all three skill sets
- 57:30and, and what, what would you do?
- 57:32'Cause I think it's a very different, uh, track than, you know, the, the,
- 57:36the kind of the technical university, the research university that we have
- 57:39based our, our education systems around for the last four hundred years.
- 57:42So that concludes my prepared remarks.
- 57:45Um, so thank you so much for everybody that, uh, that's joined us for the free
- 57:48portion and, uh, let's move into the Q&A.