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Yev Moskalov: Magic in Motion #225 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 225 of the Magic Guys.
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I'm Josh Nubito, but to my left... That's Nick Kay, professional mind explorer.
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Professional, you know, how many minds do you reckon you've blown over your
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career so far? The answer to that is too many.
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And that's the words of a winner, my friends. Oh, yeah. This is great.
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Hey, it's great to see you all.
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We're here live in the chat. This is the Magic Guys where we talk about our
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lives as professional magicians.
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And we interview Wicked Guests, which we will have one on in a second.
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Nick, can I show you this wand that I had arrived? Yeah, I'm actually dying to see it.
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Yeah, so tell us. There was someone, a listener of the show,
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who was polite enough to make you this custom wand. And yeah, let's have a look at it.
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Bam! So this is a custom wand made by Sham Rock Magic from a gentleman named Michael Gates.
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And this wand, I've never had like, I know you've got some nice wands as well.
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I know Doug has a great collection, but I was yet to treat myself to one.
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And so Michael reached out. He sent me a list.
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He's very detailed in how specific of a wand you can have created.
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And this particular one, I chose this length because obviously the bigger the
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wand is, the more magical it is, right?
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And also, I never had one that screwed together so you can get it made as a
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one-length piece but I thought it'd be a bit of fun to be able to travel with
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it in two halves and if you're watching this in video form, I'll give you a little close-up here.
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My favourite thing is this swirled acrylic at the top because it just looks
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so bloody magical and you've got these.
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Timber rings as well. And it's just such a nice one. It feels really nice.
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And, you know, the guys at Shamrock Magic, shamrockmagic.com,
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if you feel inclined to get yourself one of these bad boys, but I think he mentioned
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he might hook you and Doug up with one as well.
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So I'm just putting it out here so that we can pressure him into doing that.
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But Michael, thank you so much for this one i just want to
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give you a quick shout out yeah it's beautiful and you
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know michael if you are going to be in magic live for whatever reason like it's
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it's an opportunity to say hi so please do that within the month which will
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we'll probably make some plans or maybe even try to do a meetup for anyone else
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who might be there let's do like a bit of a consensus in the discord and see
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who is going to be there maybe maybe we'll do a meetup at doug's shop or something
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like that like i don't know absolutely yeah and if you're if you're a magic
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shop out there listening to this Michael wholesales these.
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So I think it's a little bit underground because he normally wholesales two magic stores.
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And then the people that are in the know hit him up to get a custom one.
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But now you're in the know.
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So you can look him up. I'll tag him on our Instagram, but it's exoticwood underscore
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shamrock magic on Instagram.
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And now we continue to something a little more difficult to come by.
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The technical skill of this man we have to
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introduce to you is man like just watching
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him backstage you can tell how much how much
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time and and practice has gone into it we tried
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to quickly learn one of his probably hardest moves
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nick yeah how's your progress so
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far in the six minutes i've been trying it not
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very good friends but look he's he's been an
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absolute delight backstage is going to be a delight on the
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show so guys if you are in the chat it's good to see
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you there we have our friends scotty link dylan young tim askin
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we have frankie magic and charlie qish good to
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see you friends please whatever questions you have put them
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through i think it's time to introduce our guest yeah absolutely
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so i i've been fortunate to be chatting with
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this gentleman over the internet for the last like maybe year or so and i've
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just been watching his come up you know he's created some really technical wonderful
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flourishes and visual pieces of magic but he's also being recognized as as like
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a great technician in magic.
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He recently lectured. He lectured at the Blackpool Magic Convention.
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And, you know, once you've been there, now everyone knows about you.
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So everyone in the UK is a big year fan.
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I had friends tag me that they got photos with him,
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you know, and he's still so young and has a full head of hair,
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which is the really sad part for us to hear how good he is and how much hair
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he still has on his head. He has a great accent as well.
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So my friends, I think it's time we introduce our friend, Yev.
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Music.
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Ladies and gentlemen please welcome yes
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hello hello welcome
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to the show please tell us who you are and what do you do i
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do visual magic i do sleight of hand this is my passion and it brings it brought
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me to the place where i'm at the moment so just passion yeah i love it To the UK,
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to the magic community, and to the magic world.
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Have you always been into visual magic? Or did you delve into psychological
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magic first, try different art forms in magic first, or were you always for the eye candy stuff?
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I can tell you this story.
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I was nine years old, and my father, he showed me a trick.
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Maybe you know when the deck, he just dropped the deck and one card like popped
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out so that was that was my first apps like very first magic effect that i that
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i saw and that blew my mind so i feel like that was massive influence and i immediately.
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Like understood like oh visual magic this is
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this is sick this is really cool and then
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then i just bought a deck of cards this is what you
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can do in ukraine just buy a deck of cards and practice moves
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because you don't have like we
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don't have many sources you know to learn magic like we
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don't have access to lectures or buy gimmicks
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or something like this so you just practicing with cards
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practice moves and yeah that's how i started was
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there like a famous magician in the ukraine like who was
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who was like on tv at the time or like on on youtube oh i'm not sure i'm not
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sure that just your father yeah probably my father was the best magician for
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me yeah we present the ukraine's best and only magician yeah everybody there seems to be there.
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Since then you've migrated to the uk now is the uk home are you studying there
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like what's the like tell us about that that level of migration and what that sort of looked like,
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okay so my life is a movie i change i i change change a few countries actually
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quite a lot last years and yeah denmark one year lithuania one year and two
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years ago i moved to the uk so,
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yeah it was quite a quite a journey i started professionally to do magic professionally
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in ukraine yeah and then we all know what happened so i had to i i was abroad
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when it started so i decided,
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okay, I'm staying abroad or I'm coming back. So I stayed abroad.
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I started to live in Europe, in Lithuania. I started to do virtual magic.
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So it was hundreds of online shows.
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And that's actually how I learned English, by just performing magic online.
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And then after one year, I visited one Blackpool convention,
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then another convention in the UK.
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And i immediately understood that's sick
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i need to move here there's so
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many such a big community and yeah
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and are you doing just so i can get a sense of
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it are you doing magic full-time in the uk or are you
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mixing your time with other things or no i
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i do magic full-time and i'm quite
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happy doing it full-time it's all my
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it's my main focus at the moment i just
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feel like if i start doing something different i would
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lose i would lose my focus and yeah wow
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and how and how old are you yet you look pretty young oh
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thank you how how how old
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you think i am 14 yeah oh
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guys you are so kind no i'm 31 years old
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and whoa wow look look
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31 yeah oh dude
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this is what happens when you do magic because you don't grow up and
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so you don't grow old and that's why we look great yeah thank you thank you
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maybe just good genes guys just yeah maybe i'm 36 and i would have guessed maybe
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you're 26 to give a gauge that's what i usually say yeah yeah that you're 26.
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Yeah sometimes 24 people people believe yeah wow how much of your visual magic
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is incorporated in your live performing?
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It was like, I think last year I started to learn mentalism and I started to do different things,
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but virtual magic is always with me because, you know, when people see something
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is like a circus around, they see some aerials with cards or juggling,
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they immediately understand the skill and they can appreciate it.
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So this is why I keep doing that. And sometimes, yeah, just you do a few card
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flicks, it already brings people attention and they're already happy to see more from you.
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But I feel like how much I incorporate, it depends.
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It depends. I do a lot of close-up and I try to make interest,
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like I try to make unique performance for every single person I do it.
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Some people just don't like card tricks. So you're just doing something different.
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Yeah, you can just take magazines and turn it into money.
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It's already not going. Yeah, true. The reason I ask is, obviously,
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we see a lot of your visual work online.
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So I was just curious, like for people watching this, magicians sometimes might
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think, oh, that's like everything you do as a professional, you know?
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And so it's fun to hear like actually the different, And like when we had Franco
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Pascali on a couple of weeks back, he was mentioning that even in his Magic
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Castle, like he'll start straight away with knuckle busting flourishes while
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he's talking, his opening monologue.
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And then he'll go into magic where it might even look like he does nothing and
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still the magic happens.
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It's a nice, like, contrast. Well, when you are good with English,
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when you can do a nice storytelling, that works, of course.
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But when you are from Eastern Europe and your English is a bit alien sometimes,
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so you kind of need to win.
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You need to use different tools to impress people. So it's a tactic.
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It's a language barrier tactic, the visual magic. Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, I guess.
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Well yeah what i'm what i'm curious about is because you said there
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wasn't a lot of resources in ukraine as
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far as learning magic where did that start and
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what were you sort of what material were you learning first were you diving
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straight into things like marlo were you jumping straight into tarbell like
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or is it just a matter of tinkering and making your own magic well to find marlo
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if i find marlo back then those days i would be so happy but no dark net.
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And the massive influence is trilogy and all
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the stuff from done and so yeah it's like
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the guys just started just took a deck of cards and they did stuff in hands
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so without like pad and uh and without all these things you know and that was
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super visual super difficult of course and And then it was like, for me,
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quite clear to realize that I need to invest time in slider hand and I need to improve.
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Yeah, wow. What's your favorite move at the moment? I noticed you have a really
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cool top-down camera as well.
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Oh, yeah, actually. I have it.
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Oh, my. Yeah, if you want to see something. I'm not sure if I need to perform something here.
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But talking about favorite moves, I have a few.
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I have a few. I created recently an original move, and maybe it's a good time to go.
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Yeah, so basically, like, I'm not sure.
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Okay, what if I just, oh, that's cool. Josh, can you just say stop?
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Okay, stop. Okay, so if, for example, we'll take the Ace of Spades.
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Oh, sorry, Ace of Clubs. I'm very bad with suits.
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Actually, I'm joking. I'm very good. I'm lying.
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So I'll just place it somewhere in the deck, and I will use this camera right
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now. So I'm going to just open a fan and just by clicking my finger,
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I can immediately... Oh, wow.
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Wow, wow, wow. Yeah. So this... Thank you.
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This move is, I call it, fancy. And do you know, you can take the card and you
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can flick it and catch it into the fan.
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Yeah. Don't move, right? This is reverse. This is opposite.
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Yeah. Yeah, right. It's the move.
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Wow. Should we open some doors for people?
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If you're happy to, because what we're going to allude to as well is if you
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want to learn this in depth, Yev has his own Patreon where you can actually
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get better coverage and walkthroughs of what you're about to learn.
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So I guess this is like the synopsis of it.
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And then if you really want to spend the time, there's a link in the description of this video.
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But please, because I, when I saw this, because I remember learning a move where
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it would shoot out, but it would shoot out from the back and you had to go like this.
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But to be able to shoot it out from the front
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means you only have access to like one finger so i'm very
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befuddled yeah in
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how this works quite sick one yeah on membership you can find
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a lot of cool stuff and i'm just just growing community inspiring other card
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enthusiasts and i try to teach it in the way that i would like to have when
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i was young because like when you learn card magic you always want a few different angles,
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you want slow motion, you want commentary as well.
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So I tried to do it on my membership.
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And yeah, so this move is quite knacky.
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You need to be able to open a thumb fan, which every single magician might be able to do.
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Yeah, but in this one, you open a half of a deck and you have maybe a third
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part over here. And you also need to bring your pinky to the back.
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And then you need to roll one card like this with your thumb.
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So some people can't do it. It's very difficult for some people.
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That's why you can open and you can use and you can do something like this. Also work. That works.
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So you open a half. I prefer immediately bring my pinky to the back.
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I just curl my thumb. I just pushing against this big block and one car just
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easily comes like this and you need to be able to have a grip of,
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this way, so three fingers over here, and without the thumb,
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you should have a quite stable grip.
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And then you just curl your thumb like this, and you don't touch the Six of Spades.
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At the moment, you just go a bit deep, just a little bit lower,
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and then just rubbing two fingers together, kicking the card like this. Yeah. Wow.
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And then I'm timing with the flick, so you can catch it. It's like a horizon.
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I call this This will fan C because it's like a fan and it's C-shaped. You see it.
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Yeah, and I'm working on the thing how to lick it and catch it into the fan with one hand.
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Oh my gosh. That's completely unnecessary skill, guys.
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Actually, that's cool if you nailed it, but tons of work.
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Imagine, because that's already insane. but
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imagine like you know i imagine in in like
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five years when you've just gone full jedi you could
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have like two jokers face up in the deck and and you like name any card and
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then you can just maneuver that one card shoot it out it lands between them
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maybe maybe three years not five then you yeah well you've got four years until
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the next fism so you've got well i was actually thinking I mean,
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I was thinking you'd be the best guest for the actually 4F, like the finger
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flickers convention, because you quite literally flick everything.
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Yeah, yeah, flickering. This is my thing. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, you need to flick a lot of cards to be consistent, and Josh knows that.
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You have to flick a lot of cards. Yes, absolutely.
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And again, if you're listening to this,
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just imagine him doing just the most amazing gravity
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defying flourishes but could you also show them our favorite one that you showed
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us backstage yeah another favorite one is a bullet card i remember jackie you
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did it on one of the conventions in london and he just like took the card and
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just shoot it inside in the deck.
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Mate can you please teach me that and he was very kind uh yeah so this is this
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is bullet card which might not work and it's,
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okay guys uh it's very difficult maybe maybe we
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will need we'll need the second second time for the
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podcast well we've got 40 more minutes so how many
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minutes we have how many minutes we have 40 more minutes yeah
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yeah so basically it's a it's a flick it's a flicker and it's it's actually
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looks like a flick you are doing it with your index and i guess nick likes when
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the the card hits the deck of cards and maybe we will wait a few more minutes and I can make it.
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The beauty of editing is we'll just edit it down to, apart from the live,
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but we'll edit a short where it's, you know, straight away.
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Yeah, there we go.
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Well, first try, man. That's phenomenal. Woo! Yeah.
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It looks like, you know what it looks like? It looks like a fingertip muscle
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pass kind of a feeling. where it looks like you see nothing move and then it
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just takes off by itself.
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Yeah, it looks exactly like this. Yes, and you're just pushing card straight.
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In the direction yeah so nice yeah you
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can't do it you can't do it like this but i'm i don't
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see the the card you it's you better to put your eye behind
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so you can see where it goes so like i if i
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just guess i'm not gonna i'll never be able to hit it but yeah this is a bullet
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card very cool very cool one of the hardest slides that i do and i spent probably
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minimum one year just to like be consistent with the flick only and this is
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another level this is just yeah
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Yeah, and it's great because when someone like yourself put that much time into
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an effect like that, it's going to make it so much easier to consume on the
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Patreon, which I think is going to be great.
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Tell us, for the listeners who now are seeing your magic and obviously the way
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it's being taught, what other things can they expect on your Patreon?
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Oh, so apart from my card approach, how I do card magic, what are my techniques
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that I use, my estimation techniques, I also invite other guests.
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If I see a cool move from one of my friends, in London, there is a big community of magicians.
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And you will be surprised, but so many people have original moves, like really sick ones.
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And the whole idea to bring them to my Patreon and teach my students, so they cannot find...
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This stuff you can't find on YouTube, so it's only like some underground stuff.
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Yeah and this is this is what i'm focusing
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at the moment yeah and also try to
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create my own tricks and sharing my experience because i do a lot of restaurants
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hotels and sometimes i just come up with some routines based on very simple
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ideas and i immediately can share with my students Yeah,
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that's so cool I love it And so what type of gigs Do you focus on in the UK?
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Are you doing, yeah, tell us
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At the moment, I made a show, I wrote a show, so I'm looking for the venue when I can perform it.
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It's really hard to find a venue in London, very difficult, so I hope I'll be lucky with that.
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Other performances is I do residencies, like table hopping, but maybe table
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hopping is not a good phrase.
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Residency so you like restaurant hires
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you and you can do you can do
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a few hours entertaining people on weekends what
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else private parties yeah sometimes people hire
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me just to teach them stuff because they after they
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see what i do they immediately want to learn it so this
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is kind of stuff i do corporate gigs actually to
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be honest any sort of gigs i do
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even one of the cool thing ferrari company
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hired me to they were filming nice advertisement
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with some famous guys and they.
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Were filming something about las vegas and
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they had i was consulting them from with
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that amazing experience as
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well good yeah wow and so
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like for magicians listening to this they hear you say like
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oh yeah you've got a residency wow like how did
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you did you have to approach that those venues
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to get booked as a resident weekly performer
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or was it something they were searching for uh so
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if i got you right i'm not i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm very bad at self-promoting
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i i'm very good word of mouth and here in the uk and a lot of magicians sometimes
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needs a cover but some residences I have quite stable so in just.
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Nice place to practice new magic every weekend. And is that what you asked, Josh?
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Yeah, I guess I'm just asking, like, for the magicians that are looking at us
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thinking, how do I do magic full time?
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Or they might want to get a residency in their city.
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Like, how does that come about? Well, I must say that if you are a magician
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and you want to make a living from it and being a full time, it's not easy.
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They are all and what what i said what i will suggest yes work with local restaurants,
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do as more networking as possible perform as more magic as possible film yourself
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post online as more as possible and just wear a suit and learn a few good card
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forces that would help definitely,
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yeah wear a suit and learn a few card forces
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there you know not there haven't been many wiser words
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than than that you know that's pretty much what nick
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says as well except for you know shower and be on time is the other two things
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yeah yeah we have a we have a question here from tim asking them questions and
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that is what is your favorite effect to perform favorite effect to perform um,
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I like, you would be surprised, I like any card, any number.
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And one of the good ones that I feel like it's good, I can just maybe show it,
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it's when a card is selected and then I just spread the cards and one card just flips from the middle.
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Oh, come on. Yeah, like this.
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Oh, that's not fair. Exactly from, like, exactly on the place where you said,
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like, you named Six of Spades, and you said it's 17, so if we count,
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it's going to be 16, and this is 17.
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So this is one thing. Hang on, so you've even managed to make an acorn a visual
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trick, is what you're saying?
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Yeah, exactly. You're absolutely right. Why not?
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Why not? yeah yeah yeah for the for yeah
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for those who are like flying cards people like
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it i don't know it's just exactly yeah like
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something like yeah this is
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this kind of stuff also works by the way fancy move was
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inspired by zach muller brownie fan if you
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know this one yeah oh yeah yeah
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wow it's one-handed one-handed moves is another topic
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guys to discuss because i broke my wrist two years
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ago and i wanted to ask you about that because
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i wanted to ask you about that because i saw that you were in in
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some of your content that you had this brace on and you did this like a very
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clever effect with it in which for those you haven't seen it please do your
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diligence and go see all of his his content online and subscribe and follow
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please it is amazing but it is really killer effect where a selected card i
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assume was underneath your wrist card like it was actually Yeah,
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that was my Magic Circle exam.
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This is how I got membership.
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This is how I became a member of
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the Magic Circle. I guess it was my last effect. Yeah, and I was able...
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To make it work yeah i had
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i have a signature effect when i'm springing the
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cards up in the air and i catch the right card
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that that baffles me too because you
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see people trying to come up with methods of that or like maybe you know back
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palm a card or something but it really looks so clean and i think you're actually
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doing it which is of course you can because of the visual stuff we've just seen
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you do yeah which leads me to my next question are you actually catching that card.
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Of course it's crazy
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yeah it's crazy i like
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it i like it i think i think again ricky j did
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that and he did it with two hands yeah
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and he just she kind of
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sprang the cards with two hands caught it with two
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hands yeah but it's it's cool it's really
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what people want to see it's like so it's a kind
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of juggling it's like visual and of impossible right well kind of impossible
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yeah you know because i've i've noticed you have in my shows i will ask people
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how they would like me to find a card they name and i would say one of the common
28:00
there are two common things that come up Well, there's three.
28:03
One is like, just make it appear on top of the deck.
28:06
One of them is make it appear in my pocket. And then the third one,
28:11
this happens most if I'm on stage.
28:14
It's, oh, can you just throw the deck in the air and catch it?
28:18
Yeah, yeah, that's the sickest probably.
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But pocket, again, also maybe underrated. Very, very good if you perform fast. Yeah.
28:29
That's right yeah but you're you're just
28:32
casually doing like what laymen perceive as
28:35
like the best card trick in the world is to throw the
28:38
deck in the air and catch the one that they want yeah but
28:41
again you can't do it in restaurant because like the
28:44
cards will be everywhere and it's a quite long
28:47
reset so it's a theatrical in the theater
28:50
if you do it i usually close my act with
28:53
this uh so this is very good
28:56
to make a mess in the end of the show and catch it it's
28:59
like good dramatic moment in the end you know yes so
29:03
obviously like cards is that
29:05
your favorite discipline in magic that you only do
29:08
or do you also enjoy doing other sort of
29:11
mentalism based things or coin magic or is
29:14
cards it cards is
29:17
my love it's my passion this is my my my
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friends from my childhood it's like really
29:23
really nice thing to to to to play
29:27
every day and it's just nice it's
29:30
small you just put it in your pocket and go everywhere and
29:34
i don't like to travel with big
29:37
luggage and especially if someone hired me for.
29:40
Event in a different country i
29:44
just like to pack a small backpack just put
29:47
a few decks of cards and just make a show with a few decks of cards sharpies
29:51
and blank cards maybe so cards is good and again it's all about you it's not
29:56
about cards it's about how interesting you are as a artist as a performer but
30:01
it's nice that you asked that you said that i i enjoy to perform mind reading mentalism like.
30:07
Props without prop less sometimes sometimes it's good what else visual magic like and as again,
30:15
gimmicks i don't really i uh no i i i have some i have some but i i again i brought i was,
30:25
born in ukraine and we just invested time in slider hand so i kind of opened
30:31
gimmick world a few years ago for me.
30:35
I still like to just walk with a deck of cards and try to create moments,
30:41
very magical moments, just with a deck of cards, even not marked cards.
30:46
Marked cards is just something that I also started using recently.
30:50
But now, when you're so well-versed with playing cards, is there particular
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brands that someone of your style prefer over others, or for you,
31:01
are all cards good cards?
31:02
No, actually, quite a few, like, top three I can highlight cards. Yeah.
31:12
So I was a big fan of, first, when I started, was Noc Originals, Noc playing cards.
31:18
I like them. They were cheap, and they were simple, minimalistic design,
31:23
and they were heavy, which is good for aerials.
31:26
So it's, Josh, you understand that. Yeah, but guys, this is gold. This is gold.
31:34
This is the best. Tallyho's are really good cards.
31:38
And no questions. Right now, I'm using Jerry Nugget's Modern Feel.
31:43
Also very good. But I'm also a big fan of Orbit deck.
31:48
Orbit deck, I have quite a lot. Yeah, very nice. Yeah, and I'm quite a big fan
31:53
of Last Collaboration with Orbitz, Tally Ho and Orbitz.
31:58
So this is very nice.
32:03
And how long until the Yev edition comes out?
32:06
You have addition oh well this is
32:09
another another topic because i feel
32:12
like i don't want to make bad cards
32:16
i don't want to make start the like to just
32:19
just make my own cards why i
32:22
need to give something i need to maybe just create a
32:25
good marketing or promotion i
32:29
don't know idea because a lot of people
32:32
ask me yeah send me cards we don't have
32:34
cards in our country and i was like okay no that
32:38
can be tricky i don't mind it but maybe
32:41
i don't know it's difficult so maybe if i
32:45
created an idea that like you
32:48
buy a deck of cards or you subscribe to my patreon so i will send you a deck
32:52
of cards but also if you buy one deck you can another deck will go to another
32:57
person in i don't know i'm with you or yes something like that so that can be a good thing but also,
33:06
i don't know i'm maybe you need to be a big in the company or in the industry like a big,
33:13
personality so you you have a lot of followers and you can a lot of big communities
33:18
so they would follow and they would support you with a lack of cards i don't know i would love that.
33:23
You know it's great that's how you think of it too you're like it has to be,
33:28
great but also cost-effective that these people can
33:31
also buy it that's uh reaching out to you wanting cards
33:34
it makes me think of when we had mario the
33:38
maker magician come on they they have
33:41
him and his wife have a really interesting setup in that their theater
33:44
shows there's two types of tickets you can.
33:47
Buy you can buy a ticket for yourself and then you can also pre-buy
33:50
a ticket for someone else that can't afford to bring
33:53
right there kids and everything yeah and
33:56
so maybe it's something like that like people buy
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cards but there's also an option to buy cards for someone
34:02
else like can i also just say
34:05
that i think that's the way that everyone should be when you start coming
34:08
up through magic you get to a point where as a community
34:11
we all help each other and and you
34:14
can't in your early stages of your career give
34:17
back the way that those who have helped you along
34:20
the way have but when you get to a point that you can you
34:23
should and i think that that's what you're doing with your
34:26
mindset you know because you're only 30 like i just clicked over
34:29
40 i have the lovely ability of applying magicians
34:32
all over australia you know i have five residences
34:35
here that i circulate magicians through all the time so when
34:39
you can give back you should yeah yeah
34:42
yeah maybe or maybe
34:45
it's like you uh you design like an eco-friendly deck
34:49
that's like or like a what what is the best quality deck at the least price
34:55
that's available like possible to be made maybe there's like a cross section
34:59
there or something yeah because the cost is everything uh and the quality is
35:04
also should be very good i need to find golden middle,
35:08
yeah i wonder what that is hmm interesting.
35:12
How many hours are you practicing five years for me
35:15
i don't know i feel like it's it's inevitable like you
35:18
know you have one of your instagrams is called yev cards so i think it's only
35:24
natural that eventually there are yev cards available that'd be great you go
35:31
yev cards we'll get a sponsorship with like either costco or amazon and we'll
35:35
just pump them out a dollar a deck and just sell millions of them.
35:39
Everyone's garages and cars will be filled with it. That's what I hope for yourself.
35:43
Now, your show, when you are someone who has a discipline like just cards.
35:51
Obviously a show has a start, middle and end.
35:53
How do you structure a show? Now, without giving the entire show away,
35:57
what is it in your head that goes, I want to start with this?
36:00
I want to close with this?
36:02
Like, when it's, especially when the discipline is just cards,
36:06
what advice do you have for anyone who's looking to do the same thing or has the same passion?
36:12
Mm-hmm. I see. I see what you mean. So, again, as I said, I...
36:16
I wrote a show, like one-man show, and it's like 45, 50 minutes.
36:23
And I used to do only acts before. Like the longest I was maybe 25 minutes.
36:28
So I can't really give you like insights how to make the show from zero.
36:37
But you just go with the flow and what you want to show, what you want to share.
36:43
Also you need to understand what what
36:47
do you want to give what do you want to get
36:50
from in the end what feeling from the audience you
36:53
want to what is your message yeah and
36:57
i i realized that i like magic when i
37:00
actually hide the skill you know
37:03
in restaurants i can just flick cards
37:07
like a like juggler you know like boom boom boom it's
37:10
just five minutes experience so it's fine but we for
37:13
the with the show it's nice to do a storytelling and and
37:16
do bits of magic in between so i
37:20
like to leave people with that with the idea how.
37:24
It happened how i do
37:27
you remember i was shuffling cards i do how it's
37:30
possible so this is kind of the feeling i want to give
37:33
people in the end of the show and yeah of
37:36
course if you only do card tricks yeah you it
37:40
should be again very good english because you
37:43
need to do a lot of storytelling yeah yeah
37:47
in my in my show my show that i made it's a
37:49
combination of uh like card card magic
37:52
and uh in mentalism so i'm
37:56
gonna do and cardistry so it's gonna
37:59
be nice blend of everything and also i
38:02
have a very nice effect when yeah when
38:06
personally who's gonna call other person like mom.
38:09
Or friend yeah and so it's
38:13
it's it's it's about it's about me it's about me as a guy who likes cards and
38:17
it makes sense in the end why i use cards almost in every single effect but
38:23
also it's not only about cards it's about storytelling and delivering impossible feeling.
38:30
I don't know. That makes sense, guys.
38:32
No, no, that makes a lot of sense.
38:34
It's, yeah, you are creating different textures throughout the show.
38:37
And even in card tricks, there's visual card magic, there's mental magic,
38:43
there's cardistry, like you're saying.
38:45
So even all those are going to be different in the show, which is beautiful.
38:48
I love that. I think we should mix things up a little bit. Nick,
38:51
what do you say we do a gig story segment? That's a great idea.
38:56
So Gig Stories is a section of the show where we talk about little magic moments
38:59
of our life, either while performing at gigs or just going from our day to day.
39:03
I'm going to let you hear a little story from our good friend, Yev.
39:06
I think, do you have a story, Yev, or should we do new content?
39:09
I've got so many stories.
39:11
Okay. I have some moments, Yev, but I'm not sure is it like that funny as you expect.
39:16
Well, let's see. I reckon Nick and I will go first quickly and give you some context.
39:21
So Nick, what's happened at some of your residencies? all right
39:24
give me a sec because actually i wrote a list because
39:26
there's been so much going on yeah wow wow yeah
39:30
yeah yeah yeah i can go
39:34
first if you need you should you should i'll need a minute i'll need a minute
39:36
mine's just a funny situation so five years ago i did a keynote presentation
39:44
where i'm doing a magic show for a health industry conference and we got a testimonial from a guy,
39:52
that he gave one of the most unique testimonials I've ever had in video.
39:57
And he basically started off by saying, I hate magic.
40:01
I hate watching magic because it frustrates the heck out of me.
40:06
And that's why I love this show so much because it frustrated the heck out of
40:10
me, but it kept me watching the whole time.
40:12
And I love it, but I also hate how much I love it.
40:16
And it was such a weird, like wholesome, honest testimonial of how invested
40:23
he was in watching, but it frustrated the heck out of him that he couldn't figure it out.
40:27
Well, a month ago, I get an email from that guy and he's like,
40:33
I want to hire you for our staff social event.
40:39
And although it annoys the heck out of me, I really want my staff to see what you do.
40:45
And I'm like, this is such a weird compliment, but yes, let's do it.
40:51
And so the whole time I'm performing there, he actually is having these physical
40:57
reactions of what looks like.
41:01
Annoyance or like like i guess
41:03
he's having an internal battle with himself but there was just one
41:06
moment where i'm doing some ribbit's cube magic and i'm doing it like a slow
41:10
solve where it's just seemingly slowly visually restoring and he is fooling
41:17
himself because every time he gets angry and looks away that's the exact moment
41:22
i have to do something sneaky so every time he's looking,
41:26
I'm literally just twisting the cube like so you can see the other sides.
41:30
And it was this perfect moment where he just looked away at all the right times.
41:35
So in his mind, I literally just did this with a cube and it solved back into
41:42
perfect form. And then I gave it to him to keep as the little sealing the kiss
41:48
on the end of that performance.
41:50
And now I've already had an email from him like he's like i don't understand
41:54
you let me keep this cube i know it's a real cube i saw it mixed up and i also
42:00
you know just saw it and it's it's really messing with him so,
42:04
i can't wait to get booked again from him but it's so funny that someone who
42:08
from the from an like from a long distance watching you would think it's someone
42:13
he's someone who doesn't like magic,
42:15
but he actually is like one of the most like advocates for it so it's just such a weird thing,
42:22
you're like ranted on about not liking it, but keeps booking me. So thank you.
42:27
It's funny you mentioned that because I've had a lot of that myself where I've
42:30
been performing more times than not.
42:32
And there's always like at least one person who's just deeply getting frustrated
42:37
as they watch your thing and they're getting so angry.
42:39
And I have a line that diffuses all that.
42:42
And I literally just turned to the person and be like, why you look really angry?
42:45
What's up? Like, why are you so angry?
42:46
And they might say something to the effect of like, I hate how I know it's done
42:50
or it's, you know, they, whatever frustration they have.
42:52
And I just turned to him and say, you know, if you knew what I got paid and
42:56
I sucked, then you'd be really mad.
42:59
And they go, oh yeah. And they just sort of, it just diffuses everything after
43:04
that. They actually go like, true.
43:07
Like when a lot of times I just say, I go like, if you knew what I got paid
43:09
and I sucked, you'd be really upset. So trust me, man, you're getting your money's worth. Keep put us.
43:13
And then they go, yeah, yeah. All right. And they sort of slow,
43:15
like calm down after that.
43:16
And I find that really helpful. yeah that's interesting
43:19
there you're being paid to be good so that of course
43:22
that's that's a funny answer to how did you
43:24
do that you know like because an easy
43:27
way you can just say oh it's my job like that's why i can do it like i'm supposed
43:32
to be here and then yes saying that well you know they pay me enough i should
43:36
be able to do this that's interesting i like it yeah i think that works well
43:40
yep yeah but do you have a lovely moment in magic you'd like to share or or it
43:45
be crazy or funny or someone messing up but it actually helped with the trick it can be,
43:51
Let me think. Maybe not that exactly like you just explained.
43:57
A few moments, a few moments. And from just flicking cards in someone's drink.
44:06
The moment when I understand, like, on stage, on fringe, I didn't catch the right card.
44:13
So I had to create an exit from the situation and just finally find the right
44:21
card in someone's back pocket.
44:23
And when I was about to load the card, the guy just started getting mad.
44:32
So eventually, he let me put my hand in his pocket and reveal it. That's the thing.
44:41
But my absolute incredible and bad and beautiful moment about Magic Geeks was
44:50
the moment when I broke my wrist five days before very big gig.
44:56
Yeah, that was... Yeah, so I'm cycling BMX.
45:02
You know this kid's bike. And unsuccessful trick or something so I just, yeah.
45:08
And just immediately when my doctor already made the X-ray I started to develop
45:16
one-handed techniques.
45:17
Because in my mind, I couldn't cancel the gig. I don't want to cancel the gig.
45:22
So next day, literally just called the client and says, okay,
45:26
listen, we have a problem a little bit.
45:29
So I still can deliver magic. I still can do a gig. I will just perform one-handed.
45:34
Is that okay? The guy said, yes, okay.
45:37
Because he also didn't want to cancel Magician.
45:39
So in the huge cast, in the massive cast,
45:42
i had to i i went to
45:46
amsterdam it was in amsterdam so i just created in five days 30 like maybe 25
45:53
minutes actor and just did it one-handed and it was a clown wow better than
46:00
two hands guys seriously best gig ever.
46:04
Yeah, I've also damaged myself before gigs to that extent.
46:08
I ride a lot of electric skateboards, and I had a very good friendship with
46:12
a particular manufacturer of these boards who invited me to come and try it.
46:17
I was popping it for another reason, but then they were like,
46:21
here's our new prototype.
46:22
Take it for a spin. And I'm such a stickler for safety. I was like, no.
46:27
Now, the thing is, I just bought a brand new full-face helmet.
46:30
It but when i skateboard i always wear my wrist guards no
46:34
matter what like because i skate to all my like all my residencies it's because
46:38
i live very close to the city so i don't like to drive there i like to ride
46:40
my electric skateboard there yeah but i didn't have all my gear but they'll
46:44
like come on give it a crack and so i'll like look i'll i'll you know i thought
46:47
minimize the risk i put my full face brand new helmet on like take it out of
46:51
the box put it on i think okay
46:52
bit of a cruise like no no give it give it a really big push and i was just
46:55
like no not really now this thing went from zero to 60 kilometers in like two seconds or less.
47:04
And when you accelerated on it you had to lean forward with everything you have
47:09
because it just peels you off the board it's so quick like you have to go down
47:12
low lean forward and whole ass.
47:16
So they were insistent that i give it a try and they go just for like five seconds
47:21
just hold it down and then let it loose and then you're good.
47:23
And I went, all right. So I do that.
47:25
And then the board battery cuts out and locks the wheels and I go flying off a 60 Ks.
47:33
Now I managed to jump off the board and run for a while, but was just unable to slow myself down.
47:39
And then I stacked and I shredded all my clothes, my legs, my left hand,
47:46
just everything like gone.
47:48
I thankfully heal very quickly, but I had a limp, I had scabs,
47:55
I had to bandage my actual wrist because it was like really.
47:59
Down to the flesh and thankfully i had two
48:02
weeks of nothing but stage shows where i didn't have to
48:05
do close up or sleight of hand so i was so happy that
48:08
i was actually able to get that and i just walked on stage bandaged up and
48:12
uh i think i think i made a joke about it just being like you
48:15
know sorry guys i go good to see you all don't mind the wrist
48:17
it's just from a little injury i had when i bumped into my ex-girlfriend she was
48:21
driving at the time you know and and they
48:24
go ha ha ha and i just did the whole show and it still worked really well
48:27
but it is that type of thing where thankfully I didn't ruin my
48:29
face or have like black eyes or bruises and try to get on stage
48:32
but man when you're going to be a performer like take care of yourself I mean
48:38
I go snowboarding every year wrist guards body armor everything because it just
48:44
takes a broken something and
48:45
you cannot work or make a living so pro tip very good tip actually yeah.
48:52
The show the show that you did while your
48:55
arm was in a cast what was like one of the effects you
48:58
were proud of before catching a card
49:01
from the spring yes no
49:05
i agree i have many variations many different uh
49:08
variations of this effect and so
49:12
with the help of magic circle friends
49:16
in london they gave me so
49:19
many cool ideas how to like how to like
49:22
force one-handed the card also how
49:25
to make false shuffles using one-handed how to
49:29
like yeah a lot a lot of good tips and in the end i wanted to just bring the
49:36
cards with one hand and catch the right card like this but then it was so difficult
49:41
to be honest so i decided it was actually my i broke my left hand which i do all the.
49:48
Like main hand so my week i had to perform with weekend so i had to learn everything
49:54
with non-dominant hand and so i in all the all the show just imagine all the show i'm like this,
50:02
all the show so just like this so card
50:06
is selected and i just decided to i already forgot this i don't practice don't
50:12
break wrists again so i just kind of just put it on the table like this and
50:17
went off the screen i had the screen and in the end i spring the cards i catch the wrong card,
50:25
but the right card is in this hand in the
50:27
in the in the bed in the in the wrist in the
50:30
cast hand so i was able to wow
50:34
do that and that was great that worked sometimes even but i think it's even
50:40
better when sometimes i do with just two hands like this so that was the main
50:45
effect it's really good i really like my spring catch i have so many variations
50:50
yeah i can put inside the cast the cut.
50:54
And is that a is that a is that an effect do you think you'll teach in the future.
51:01
Well it's on my patreon you can learn it uh i
51:04
i show my technique yes and
51:09
well you just just
51:12
do it yeah yeah and please this i'm
51:15
not saying tell us your method here because it's definitely that's definitely
51:19
a secret that you should have to seek out but yeah for those listening because
51:23
i and the videos on your your instagram at least some of the the variations
51:27
but It really is such a clean look to just open hand, spring cards in the air, reach out,
51:34
pluck the signed card out of the air.
51:37
It's like the thing that we all hope we could do. And we try to think of gimmicks
51:41
ways to do it or, you know, all sorts of things.
51:44
And so, great. So Patreon, so it already is available.
51:48
How good is Patreon? Like being able to have a direct to audience platform that
51:53
you can go and teach that's,
51:56
You know, you don't have to go through making DVDs and selling that.
52:01
Yeah, it's already passed. Yeah.
52:03
That's right. The barrier to entry is, yeah, so good to be able to just start.
52:08
Let's have a quick look. Do we have any questions from our audience here?
52:13
And if this, we only have a few more minutes, so put your questions in the chat.
52:17
Well, while you're scanning through, Dylan Young, who does a lot of our social
52:20
media and so forth, says that he's a member of your Patreon and there is so much content.
52:25
Like there is so much good stuff on there that it's all very difficult.
52:28
But i don't want people to be deterred by that so yeah are
52:31
there any effects that you feel are on your patreon that are
52:34
also very strong but not entirely difficult to perform
52:37
yeah of course yeah well
52:40
my my patreon is not like for beginners but even
52:44
beginners uh if they subscribe it it's
52:47
going to be a great they they're going to find a lot of good
52:50
stuff and well people nowadays
52:53
are very talented they can like learn sleight
52:57
of hand quite fast and perform it i don't want
52:59
to say that it's super difficult i just try to teach something that
53:02
people cannot find on youtube for free and just something
53:06
unique and underground sometimes from
53:09
other my from another magicians that i invite so
53:12
what was the question what are there like simpler
53:16
are there like yeah easy to learn effects
53:19
on there as well yeah i kind of include my
53:23
approach to card magic what i do and with
53:27
this approach you can just take it and develop
53:31
your own delivering like how you deliver the effect and yeah i have a system
53:36
how to find any playing card from the deck for example and it's actually in
53:41
my free section of my patreon i just share it i don't mind it's quite easy but again And it's easy.
53:50
It's very easy to understand what it is, but to perform in person when you're
53:57
wearing a suit in front of the very big people, it's different.
54:04
So it's not super difficult, but again, not for the beginners.
54:09
And that's why it's not huge. My Patreon is not huge.
54:13
Not huge, but there's like 600 students, so it's pretty good.
54:20
And what's coming up for you now so you're based in London is that what I heard?
54:25
Yes I'm like slightly off London but I'm in London almost every day because
54:33
I always have something like job or meetings or yeah London is like,
54:41
always every day I go to London because something is cool happening,
54:48
Yeah. And in the UK, it seems to be a big market to do weddings.
54:51
Is that something you do a lot of?
54:55
Actually, I don't do much weddings. I would love that. I really like it.
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People are so happy on weddings and they really like card tricks. You would be surprised.
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Yeah. But I guess I'm just two years in this country and I haven't built my base of clients.
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And I guess people just know magicians. They know like, oh, my friend is a magician.
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Do you want to hire him for weddings?
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So self-promoting is quite difficult, to be honest.
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So I do weddings. I would love to do more.
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Yeah, but don't have many inquiries.
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I'm focusing on the show. I want to do a magic show on stage.
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Yeah, that's great. I mean, that's the harder thing to focus on.
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Like it's fun to, you know, as soon as you start making a living as a magician,
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like, you know, you, your focus is the next gig and we jump to gigs and we can do them all.
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And we're constantly booking in the next one for the next month.
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But to really sit down and write a show is like
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that's that's that should definitely be a goal
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is amongst all the chaos find time
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to write that one-man show or create that project
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that you might do for tv or write that book or yeah like the fact that you find
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time is is pretty amazing yeah first you focus on gigs then you do a show then
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you are a consultant and then you just i I don't know, relax.
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So this is like the pyramid, as a magician.
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Or maybe some people like to perform every whole life. I don't know. I would like to do a show.
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And maybe do a deck of cards one day. Yeah, I look forward to seeing it.
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And we have a festival in Australia that Nick's amongst right now called the
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Melbourne Magic Festival.
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And hopefully it'll feature Yev's card extravaganza show one day.
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Yeah, there'd be good opportunities for you to come lecture and do that.
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I mean, that's what Eric LeClaire and both Tobias Dostal currently,
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like Eric did his lecture yesterday, which was really funny.
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I don't know if you guys recall, we had a guest, Liam Jumpets, the wrestler
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slash whatever else and we did
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an effect where eric hit me up and he was like hey man i want to do some cheeky
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pre-show stuff i'm like what's up he goes who's coming to my lecture i'm like this
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kid he goes cool i need a picture of his mom i went what he goes all right so
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i sent him two pictures like this is liam this is his mom go for it and what
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he did was he had a book and he was like these are all the these are all the
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people i want to make out with whatever else I was picking them between 1 and 30.
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And then he goes through and it says, like, it opens up and it just says,
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your mom. And then he turns it around. It's the actual picture of their mom.
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And it's, like, so funny. So you'll have that to look forward to at the lecture.
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Like, it is a little cheeky insight from here at the Magic Guys.
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But, look, you know, it's a good community here. So should you make your way over to Australia?
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Yeah, it'd be our pleasure to host you. It'd be our pleasure to show you around. I do, hands down.
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I'm down for that, guys. Definitely.
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Like just give me a chance yeah man if you've got a show and a lecture like
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the magic festival is for you buddy like it is a great place to be so like put
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it on your radar when you're ready for it you know.
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We'll set up a friendship with uh tim the director and you know anything we do to help you out,
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cool yeah you heard it here first we're
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gonna make it happen either either that or by
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some miracle the magic guys become so big we hope
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we can host our own convention and then we can
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feature you as as the headlining act one of
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the two things will happen either all but either way
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yeah it has been a real joy to have
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you here today and finally to speak in in
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well as close to in person as we can so far we have
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put all your links below so guys if i mean most people listening to this follow
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you already but if you aren't follow down below either instagram his website
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his patreon lots of places you can find him reach out if you have other questions
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about the stuff he was doing or talking about,
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but we're going to end our episode the way we always do by giving our guest the final word.
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Okay, guys, if you really like card magic and if you want to make a living from
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it, just dedicate every day some time for that and your dreams will come true.
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Just focus on this and spend
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some time because this is what i wanted to do from from when i was a kid from
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nine ten years old i wanted to do just just spin cards and make a living from
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it and and it works just just just believe in this and you can make it that's
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that's the whole message.
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Thanks for listening it's time for us to disappear now But we'll see you again
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on the next episode of The Magic Guys.