Latest / The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast / Almost Famous Adventures: Did Sandra Mason almost Ghost her New Boyfriend?

Transcript

Almost Famous Adventures: Did Sandra Mason almost Ghost her New Boyfriend? · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: Almost famous, the ogs our Pebble Beach podcast with my
• 0:09
  Speaker 2: handsome co host Andrew Firestone sitting in for my normal
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: co host, trust to Suttern da Ren.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm doing the best I can, trist I'm
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep up the seat, keep it warm.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: You're doing a great job, buddy, You're doing an absolutely
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: great job. I gotta be honest, not as fun to
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: look at you, but you're still doing. A day before,
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: we are joined by Sondra and c K.
• 0:32
  Speaker 3: I call you, c K. Do you want to call Charles?
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: All right, Sondra and c K, Now, guys, I am
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: so excited to have you both on the show.
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: First of all, your history.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: Why don't you let our viewers know and our listeners
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: know kind of how you came into the public eye
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: and how you ended up being a part of this
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: whole community.
• 0:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, public eye, Yeah, before the Batchelor No, no, with
• 0:50
  Speaker 4: the Bachelor, Okay, Okay, Well, Tay just applied and here
• 0:55
  Speaker 4: I was one of twenty three out of thirty five
• 0:57
  Speaker 4: thousand applicants.
• 0:58
  Speaker 5: I'm bragging, of course, top twenty Yeah.
• 1:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, first ever Golden Bachelor.
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: Yeahah, it was great and you were great of a show.
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: You made a big impact with people, and you obviously
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: made a lot of friends within the Bachelor Nation community
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: because I know that Kathy and I've been with Kathy
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: and Susan and a bunch of different things, and your
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: name has come up a ton, so I know you
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: guys are all still great friends and you know, have
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun together. Do you get a chance
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: to get together with the Bachelor Nation people as much
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: as you want to?
• 1:25
  Speaker 5: Of course not.
• 1:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'd love to see them all again and
• 1:28
  Speaker 4: again and again, but we all live in different parts
• 1:30
  Speaker 4: of the US of A. And what are you going
• 1:31
  Speaker 4: to do with that? But that's what texting and emailing
• 1:34
  Speaker 4: is for.
• 1:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, modern technology, right, very spectacular.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: And how was your experience on the show, Like when
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: you left, how are you feeling about your relationship with Gary?
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: Did you feel like you had enough time with them?
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: You know, where was your head space?
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:47
  Speaker 4: None of us ever has enough time with the league,
• 1:49
  Speaker 4: as you know, that's the way they format the show,
• 1:51
  Speaker 4: which is fine.
• 1:52
  Speaker 5: But the times I did spend with him were excellent.
• 1:55
  Speaker 4: We had great conversations which America never saw because it
• 1:59
  Speaker 4: was a one hour show forty four minutes without commercials,
• 2:02
  Speaker 4: so it was very limited. But boy did we have
• 2:04
  Speaker 4: some good conversations. I'm sure he did with other women
• 2:07
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, it was great.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Let's go back to before you got on, so there's
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: always a backstory on They told me that I should
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: definitely apply, or they told me you're crazy, you shouldn't
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: do that. I want to hear both sides. I want
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: to say, who was your biggest advocate? Was it was
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: it family? Was it friends telling you you got to
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: go and do this? Sodre you would be perfect?
• 2:27
  Speaker 5: And as a matter of fact, no one really. I
• 2:29
  Speaker 5: applied with that.
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: Well, good for you.
• 2:31
  Speaker 4: When I applied, I did call my oldest daughter and
• 2:33
  Speaker 4: she helped me do some wordsmithing on the application. But
• 2:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't tell anyone, maybe for fear that they wouldn't
• 2:39
  Speaker 4: accept me. But here's the thing. After I applied, send
• 2:42
  Speaker 4: it in, printed it out, send it in, I.
• 2:44
  Speaker 5: Totally forgot about it.
• 2:46
  Speaker 4: But you know then I didn't hear from anyone for
• 2:48
  Speaker 4: three months and so and life just went on.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: Was there anybody though that that when you announced it?
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: He said, I'm going to go and do this crazy thing.
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: Did anybody say, ge't do you know you're going to
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: get hurt or or don't do it to protect you?
• 3:05
  Speaker 4: No, because you know what, I followed the rules they said,
• 3:07
  Speaker 4: don't tell anyone except the people who are going to
• 3:09
  Speaker 4: collect your mail and walk your dog and all that
• 3:11
  Speaker 4: inside and my daughter's I told him my very best
• 3:14
  Speaker 4: friend and.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: That was and everyone was positive.
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're positive. That's fun. And they had to
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: be so I had to be a big surprise when
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: they saw you on the TV.
• 3:21
  Speaker 4: They were proud of me, very proud of And it
• 3:24
  Speaker 4: was one of those guess who I know?
• 3:25
  Speaker 5: Saunder? My friend was, Yeah, I had more street crid
• 3:28
  Speaker 5: than ever at that boy.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are there any any regrets as you sit here
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: right now, I mean you have a big smile on
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: your face. I mean you're you know, but any regrets
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: about it? Any any moments that you thought, oh my gosh.
• 3:39
  Speaker 4: Oh well sure, I can't believe I wore that dress,
• 3:42
  Speaker 4: or I can't believe I said that, or.
• 3:44
  Speaker 5: They you know, the big fart on TV.
• 3:47
  Speaker 4: What the was That's a whole other story, guys, backstory,
• 3:51
  Speaker 4: but that's funny.
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: Of course, there regrets, but yeah, but it was a
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: great experience.
• 3:54
  Speaker 5: Oh absolutely.
• 3:55
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I said this earlier with Andrew.
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: Andrew and I've been around for twenty some years now
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: around the bass for franchise, and the beauty of it
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: is those friendships that you've made and those memories that
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: you share never go away, right, you know, they just
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: kind of grow with time.
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: Excellent? How about are you c k same for you?
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: Like how was your experience getting onto the show and
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: and how is experience going through it?
• 4:13
  Speaker 6: Well, I'll kind of get to right getting on the
• 4:16
  Speaker 6: show right, which was a journey. Yeah, And To's point,
• 4:19
  Speaker 6: it's it's a process. And I really appreciate the network
• 4:22
  Speaker 6: for going through the process, whether it's background checks or
• 4:24
  Speaker 6: physical check and so sure I did appreciate that. Yeah,
• 4:28
  Speaker 6: but it's a long elongated process. And I went back
• 4:31
  Speaker 6: and forth quite a bit, and I would say I'm
• 4:33
  Speaker 6: not going to do it, and then my boss would
• 4:35
  Speaker 6: call me on a Sunday and goes.
• 4:36
  Speaker 7: No, you're going to do it, Charles. It's time something.
• 4:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I call them back and you know, next week,
• 4:42
  Speaker 6: I go, no, I'm not feeling uncomfortable. I don't think
• 4:44
  Speaker 6: I'm going to do it, and then he and my
• 4:46
  Speaker 6: CEO will get on the phone say, look, if you
• 4:47
  Speaker 6: don't do what, we're gonna fly to California, we're going
• 4:49
  Speaker 6: to fire ourselves.
• 4:52
  Speaker 3: So they really were pushing you.
• 4:54
  Speaker 6: My company, I Attenable in Maryland was very supportive and
• 4:57
  Speaker 6: we talked about them. I mean they would give the
• 4:59
  Speaker 6: women that watch the show with that okay, okay, seek
• 5:02
  Speaker 6: I go out to Maryland. Let's let's practice you get
• 5:04
  Speaker 6: out of the limit things.
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: That's so great, Sodre, you were keeping it, you know,
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: a secret, and here's he's the guys out there telling everything,
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: getting advice And why.
• 5:13
  Speaker 7: Did you tell my company right? Because I have to
• 5:15
  Speaker 7: be away for it.
• 5:15
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 5:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then we're kind of spread it. It was
• 5:20
  Speaker 6: all the way from my executive step down to the
• 5:22
  Speaker 6: desktop people.
• 5:23
  Speaker 7: Everyone just had so much fun with it.
• 5:25
  Speaker 6: Week to week, I would quit, I get a call
• 5:28
  Speaker 6: from the janitor at the company.
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: You can't quit.
• 5:30
  Speaker 7: You have to come back, and.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. So it was a real community wanting you
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: to succeed it.
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 5:37
  Speaker 6: I felt very supportive from everyone at my company and
• 5:43
  Speaker 6: in my family. My brother didn't believe it. I told
• 5:45
  Speaker 6: him because I had to tell them to watch my house. Yeah,
• 5:47
  Speaker 6: and he goes, I don't believe it. And then the
• 5:49
  Speaker 6: first commercial came out he saw it. He says, I
• 5:51
  Speaker 6: still don't believe it until I see CGI.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: That's not yes. But I think that the you know,
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: the vetting process or the pros you know, sonder you
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: might have had thinking about it. What do I want
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: to do? Do I want to do this? Do I
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: want to put myself out there? Do I potentially embarrass myself?
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: Potentially have this amazing experience? All that kind of introspective
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: I think strengthens your resolve and probably makes that experience
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: that much better because you're like, no, this is my decision.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: I'm doing this. Nobody convinced me except for your boss.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: But I think that's that's a valuable process, you know,
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: to go one thousand.
• 6:28
  Speaker 6: I think you know for me that the difficult part
• 6:30
  Speaker 6: is I work and live in an environment that's so
• 6:33
  Speaker 6: factual that you come into this environment. Now you have
• 6:36
  Speaker 6: to be vulnerable, you have to be open, you have
• 6:38
  Speaker 6: to put yourself out there, and then all of that
• 6:41
  Speaker 6: goes with this unassuredness that you have because you can't
• 6:44
  Speaker 6: control the outcome, right, And I live in an environment
• 6:47
  Speaker 6: where I can control or predict the outcome and this
• 6:49
  Speaker 6: is this is a bad So I think that for
• 6:52
  Speaker 6: me was my decision.
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I think I've heard the word vulnerable more
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: in the last two days in talking and talking to this,
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: to this this crew, and and you know, also what
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: we talked about is confidence. And I think that this
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: is the most confident group of people that have been
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: on the Bachelor because life experience, because you've done it,
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: You've been there, and you you know, like, you know
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: what you you know what you want and if.
• 7:16
  Speaker 5: And what do you have to lose?
• 7:17
  Speaker 7: What do you yeah, what do you have.
• 7:19
  Speaker 5: To lose at our age?
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? But what do you have to gain? Everything?
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: You know? Like and if if it if it doesn't
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: work out. You've made amazing friends. You've been able to,
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: you know, ask yourself a bunch of questions, sit alone
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: in your thoughts, and really I think helped shape what
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: the next chapter is going to be, whether it's with
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: that bachelor, bachelorette, or if it's just you know, your
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: next chapter.
• 7:40
  Speaker 3: Overall. I have to tell you guys.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: In my toast to welcome everyone last night, I said,
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: you know, the first time I did this event, I
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: was the youngest person here and now Andre and I
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: are the whipper snappers, right, But I will say this,
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: Uh we we talked about this last night Amy Sugarman
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: and our team and we're like, we're doing all gold
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: and all the time because the you guys.
• 7:59
  Speaker 3: Come in and like Andrew said, everybody's vulnerable.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: Everybody's that's like you said earlier in an interview, like
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: the Bravado's down. The confidence is up and you're dealing
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: with real people who are sharing real emotions.
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, right, And it's not provided. It's earned confidence.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: It's from you know, it's you know, it's you know,
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: the younger you know has a different experience because they're
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: kind of bright eyed, bushy tailed, you know, optimistic, you
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: know what can happen. They want you to think that
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: they're yeah, and uh, you know. Conversely, you know, you
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: have this kind of life of experience that you know
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: that that gives you a different perspective, which I think
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: is so refreshing and very honest and very authentic.
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: Earned confidence is what you said.
• 8:40
  Speaker 7: I think if I can just I don't disagree.
• 8:44
  Speaker 6: Role ceremonies, group dates, one on one, the whole environment
• 8:48
  Speaker 6: of the experience, it takes your at least for me,
• 8:52
  Speaker 6: it takes your My confidence was very cyclical among all
• 8:56
  Speaker 6: the men.
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: It was just me.
• 8:58
  Speaker 6: And one of the things that was gonna about my
• 9:01
  Speaker 6: group of men was that we all instilled confidence in
• 9:04
  Speaker 6: each other.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 9:05
  Speaker 6: If I was down, like see man, I'm look at
• 9:08
  Speaker 6: you bro this Yeah yeah, but I didn't get a
• 9:11
  Speaker 6: group they had no more about that, but look at this, this.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: This sure sure, and it was just that's totally different
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: than the young men.
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: So I think in the younger, you know, version of
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor, everyone's oh, you're down, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: push you down.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: You know I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. You know,
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: I want you to feel insecure, I want you to
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: feel anxious.
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're preying on it because it raises.
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: You up in comparison, that's upposed raising up the other guys.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: The reason why I loved uh the casting both for
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: Gary season and Jones season. And I've said this a
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: bunch just because it was it wasn't that stunt casting
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: that The Bachelor has sometimes been known to do, right
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: when they throw somebody in who they know is just
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: gonna be a thorn and.
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: Every side or whatever.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: It was really good and it was age appropriate as well. Right,
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: we didn't have, you know, a bunch of people in
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: this age segment and then we throw in a thirty
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: five year old Is it randomly just stir up the
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: SoC faces?
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, we didn't have that.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: And the thing I loved too, especially about Jones season
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: with the guys, well actually in Gary season with the
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: ladies as well, was it reminded me of my first
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: season when I was on Trista's season of the Bachelorette.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: So I started on the Bachelorette before I became the Bachelor.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: I was one of Trista's rejects. Yeah, and I was.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: Actually learned that badge.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: Probably I think I was actually technically the first lovable
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: loser that turned into the Bachelor. But I started this
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: whole day, I think, No, just kidding, but I love
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: those guys. Like we got along great, and we got
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: some heat from producers at the time, like they were like, hey,
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: this isn't like supposed to be a love fest, you know,
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: and uh, but we kind of persevered with that. We
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: stayed buddies, and I loved it still buddies to this
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: day and a lot of the guys and it's really
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: fun to catch up with them and you know, check
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: in and you know, and that's two years.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: Ago, you know. So when you went on your season,
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: did you know who the bachelor was going to be.
• 11:07
  Speaker 7: Ahead of time?
• 11:07
  Speaker 5: No, we didn't tell us.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: So that's so that's the same when I was on
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: it a long time ago. It used to be a
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: surprise when when you know, when I came out of
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: the out of the limousine, nobody know who I was,
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: and so I didn't know who any of the women were.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: They didn't know who he was going to be the bachelor.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: That added I think a layer of kind of like
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like innocence to the whole thing, because
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: there's no preconceived notions and and I think that's kind
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: of a nice thing. And I mean, of course the opposite,
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: there might be no there might be no chemistry at all,
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: which is fine, that's natural. You don't have chemistry with
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: every single person. But if I thought I knew you
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: because of TV, and I went to meet you because
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: you're on TV, and then you're not what I thought,
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: that's even worse.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: That is so funny that you say that, because my
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: season was they announced me as the Bachelor, and then
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: they opened it up for applications, So it was an
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: ego stroke, right, Oh, well, you have so many people
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: want to sign up for this, But then it was
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of pressure because then I'm like, well, wait
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: a minute, what if they're only coming on because of
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: who they think I am?
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: And then I'm not that guy.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: I literally, just just before you say it was an
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: ego stroop, they had a tough time.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: They call mom my, Mom's like, I got ten girls
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: on standby, you gotta do no.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: But I agree with that.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: I think it will be and I think the next
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not sure what they're going to do
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: for the next step of the Golden franchise, but we've
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: talked about this a little bit while I have it
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: with you sound obviously, but was c K last night.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: I feel like the Golden Franchise is kind of reinvigorated
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: the whole Bachelor franchise and reinvigorated bacheloration because it's a
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: return to like what he, Andrew and I had, which
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: it wasn't a bunch of cat fighting and backstabbing and
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: everything else. It was just people there, you know, optimistic
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: and hopeful. You know, it wasn't like there was some
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: type of an agenda. I mean, there wasn't even tooth
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: whitening strips back then, right, So that's that.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: Was what people want. They want that they want the
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: story with the fairy tale, and even if it doesn't
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: work out happily ever after, it's that like authentic chase
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: of of that dream that everybody wants to be a
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: part of. Now. You know, it's fun to watch the
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: cat fights, and there's there's there's a guilty pleasure and.
• 13:14
  Speaker 7: All of that.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: There's always a bit of it. But but I think
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: the I think the thread that has kept it together
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: is that as a as a viewer, you're like, I
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: want this to work out. I want Saunder to be happy,
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: I want c k to be happy and whatever whatever
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: that is, whether it's with that person or in life.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: And that's why people are going to follow you afterwards.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: They're going to want to know what your story is
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: and they want you to be happy. And that's a
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: really nice thing.
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll have people invested with.
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: I've heard that what you're saying, I've heard that from
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: people I bump into at the stores and at the
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: airport they say that same thing, and a lot of
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: them say, well, I watched it when it first started,
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: but then I got tired of it. But when they
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: introduced a golden badger or I really got interested in
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: and now I hope they do it again and.
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: Blah blah blah.
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: So it's like you said, Bob, it reinforced the whole
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: friend shine to have the golden.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: Lit it back up. People want to pay attention again.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a big hats off
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: to casting.
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: I really do know.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the people that they bring on you know
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: that that have genuine I don't know, you can, they
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: say you can, and I know this is set in
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: a different way, but they say that if someone's faking
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: it on camera, you can see it right like you
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: can't hide, of course, and to see that authenticity from
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: all of y'all in the vulnerability. As we said, we've
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: heard that word a lot, and even from the guys
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: this weekend.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: I think people relate to that.
• 14:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, sometimes you forget the cameras on or your
• 14:28
  Speaker 6: your mic I mean you just forget, yeah, because you're
• 14:31
  Speaker 6: so in the moment.
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: But I want to say this about friendships.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 14:34
  Speaker 6: So I was in the supermarket and this lady comes,
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, you see cackle and she goes, is
• 14:41
  Speaker 6: it really true that you guys are really friensical? Yeah,
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: we're all really So I get my phone out.
• 14:46
  Speaker 7: She doesn't believe it.
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: So I get my phone out and I'm going through
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: all the guys and you know, I go, see there's
• 14:50
  Speaker 6: Mark right there. She goes, if I push this button
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: right here, I'm gonna call Mark in. She pushes the button,
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: He answer the phone, and she walks off.
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: And I think I walked.
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: Away thinking I can call any any moment. Yeah, I
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: won't go to voicemail, like they'll answers the phone and go, hey,
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: what's up?
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: What do you need? Right? And I think that that
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: you know, in your seasons, the people that go on
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: have the most to lose, meaning you're the most to risk,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: the most to lose, because you have you have, you
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: have a family, you have, you have a job, you have,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: you have your life. When you're going on as a
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: twenty five or twenty six year old, it's like, you know,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: it's just as summer vacation. For a lot of people,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: they got a couple of weeks. Yeah, and like you know,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: if you go in there and you embarrass yourself or
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: whatever else, your your heart's broken, whatever else, you get
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: over it. But I think that the that the friendships
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: and the relationships that you guys have started from what
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I've heard, are so much more impactful because I think
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: you recognize, Listen, we're taking time out of our real lives.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: We're taking away, you know, from our from our work
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: and family and all these things to go and do
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: this together. So it's like this, uh, you know, almost
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: like a Stockholm syndrome where like you guys are in
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: this you're listening together.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, together, All right, guys, Well let's let's get to it.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: So recently, the two of you became a little bit
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: of a tabloid fodder.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: You kind of hit hit the zeitgeist.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: No, that was Ai.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: That was that Ai. It seems like there was a
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: post I'm gonna read this.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Let's see there was a K at three am, staying
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: out at three am, and that there was a photo
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: that was shared about you guys on a first date.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: That's pretty spectacular. Can we let's talk about it?
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: Talk about it?
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: How happen?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: What happened.
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: Well, it was really three am.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Well that's nice.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: At the end of the day, it kind of reminded
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: me of being back in high school, you know where,
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: you know, you drop her off, you're sitting in the car.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: We'll just talk, and then a couple of minutes, thirty minutes,
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: an hour, and then she gets to leave.
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: I got no, what about so and so? And then
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: another hour goes.
• 16:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know that's called kidnapping, right, But you're also
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: not at this at this stage of the game.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: You're not worried about her dad flipping on the porch
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: light either, right, So you got the.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: She was staying with a friend of hers and there
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: was a light thing like is the light on or off?
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: That kind of thing. There was a little bit of
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: conversation about that. But yeah, it was an amazing experience.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I want to hear the other side pretty quiet.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: He was full of ship. I'm just kidding.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: No, we really did have good conversation through dinner before dinner,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: because we had to wait to get in there. During
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: dinner afterwards, like, there was so much to talk about
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: the show, our individual lives, how we got where we are, family, kids,
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: the whole.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: It was just there was just a lot to and
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: where was this?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Where was this?
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: You guys met up in Georgia and I was here
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: for the Rose Bowl parade and.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: This is just recently.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys met at Mentell all right, at the
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Mental All Special correct, and then and then the first
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: date was during the Rose Bull time, right.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: So let's let's go back. So the Mentell all, I
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: see song and I know who she was for me
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: and I want to always want to introduce myself as
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: a courtesy.
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: Sure, and I see her.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: And I go and you know what the Mental All afterwards,
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: everybody's scorning, it's getting pulled. Yeah yeah, and so I
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: passed my soundra and they're pulling me back.
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: Go hey call me, she goes, I don't.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Have you know, it's like a bachelor phone tree. It's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: like a dial in.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: So why did you give her?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: But I knew that we were I don't want to
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: see is it friends on Instagram?
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, like install friends following?
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we following on the Instagram.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: And so in my mind I felt like I can
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: always So they slid into.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: The dmout with your kids. I've been married since Instagram's
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: been around. I've never slid into anybody's dms. This is
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: a sliding I just.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: Said, hate, I just interment, here's my number. Is that
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: considered slide?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I think that that is exactly the definition.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go to somebody.
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: You have to know this person.
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: That's the whole that's is that you don't know them.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I know her though, well apparently.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: But love me. You didn't know me.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: You knew you knew me.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: If if my mother and I are following other on
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: Instagram and here's my number, is that sliding into my
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: mom's that's.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: An entirely different count.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: That's not that's not the.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's totally different. Okay, So sliding d M, meet
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: out and pass because you were going to go out there. Okay,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: this is a big question. So how long between when
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: he sent the d M did you respond to it?
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Probably the same day, next day. I'm not sorry. I
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: try to. I try to keep up with my I
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: G I can't. But here's the thing, though, he you
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: slid an early sounds so naughty.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: What was October ISHU and his company had sent him
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: to Atlanta for a convention or something con and.
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: Can tell the stories go ahead for a few days.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: I figured, I mean Saunders in Atlanta.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: I called her up, and I made reservations at a
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: five star restaurant, and I went to right there in
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: Bucket because I was staying.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: At yet I love Bucket.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, real swinky.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: So I get dressed up.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a g.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: Got to reservations. He calls me up. I kept sick.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: I can't make it, blah blah blah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: I was in the hospital literally it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: No, she's not in the hospital.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: She's just she's blowing you out.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you didn't believe.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: I did not like that. Wow, I didn't know that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: If a girl, if a girl cancels on the first day.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I hear you. So that was in October. Yeah, and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: then so then did you communicate after October till.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've spoken a few times.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: She called I kind of you know you at the like,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sick too. I can't take.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: That revelation to me.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Seriously, look at you guys play these dating games.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I love it, but I mean, but you you can
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: understand why I mean he he put out the big
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: effort and then you pretend to be I mean, you
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: said you.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Believe me, I had in and out of me.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: So now we know she was actually sex.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So now she's out in. Now she's out in your.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: After the woods. Now it's and then did.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: You tell him that you were gonna be out there?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, so so you okay, that's that's a good sign.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: She instigated it, and going back the other way she
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: said okay, and so now so now dinner, dinner, long conversation.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: So then you're into it till three in the morning.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So what happened at two fifty nine that said like, okay,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: this is this is this is what's going to stop?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Just running things to talk about?
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: Got it?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Did it get awkward or was there exit, embrace anything that?
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Do you remember specifically?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: You both remember.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know what happened at the two fifty nine marks.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming after just knowing c K for a short
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: period of time.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: C K got out of the car, walks you to
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: your door, right, you're at the door.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Was there a high five or there you.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Guys lean in?
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: I didn't, I didn't, Oh see it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Well that's okay, yeah, you watched me to Okay, but
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: before you watch, he watches you to the door, is there? Okay,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: good night, and like you gotta shake hands, hug knuckles.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I think somewhere during the conversation we kissed, and I
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: don't know at what point. I don't know what inspired that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but we did kiss four or five seconds.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: It was not like everlasting.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Is that a lot?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I got married for four or five seconds. My first
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: two kids were bored within four or five seconds. You kid,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: A lot can happen during that time.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, you're giving yourself away, Bob.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, so now we know. Okay, So there
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: there's sparks something, whether it's a right spark, there's something
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a little makeout side.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Curiosity more than spark.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: What you say, Yeah, okay, and that was that the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: last time you saw each other till today.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, we've spoken a few times. Interesting, we're like phone
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: piles pin pals.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean phone kiss.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: Let me be clear, I'm going to be crystal.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I am a guy, yes, sir, amens very attractive.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're a g you said, yeah, you're pretty.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: You're with the ogs.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: That's right. You can't come home. You cannot. That is
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: not like rule book.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I agree one. Actually it's on my list the things
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: that must happen.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: You can't come home without a kiss, or a film
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: or a felony.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: And we've gotten both, sadly, so that kiss.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I will tell you this, guys, just f y I
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and and Andrew will test, and Hanna has got data,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: dreams of data to back me up on this. There
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: are as many successful relationships that have come from contestants
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: from different seasons meeting at events just like these as
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: there are from the actual show itself.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I would say probably more.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: I believe that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if the two of you would like to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: forego your individual rooms, you can stay in the Carmel
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Fantasy Suite. Yeah, room number seventeen. We'll kick, We'll kick
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: whoever's in there. Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, all right, the show it's a whole different show, everybody.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: It's going next level. Matt Sondra took us there.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: You guys are having Wait, well, guys, I sense chemistry here,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and I do realize geography is a challenge, right, So
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: in fact, I mean you live in Pasadena, you live
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: in Atlanta?
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Correct?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And I know you are possibly gonna be going to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: South Africa for a little bit soon.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, so there. I live in Palos Versus way
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: on the other end of Okay, Angels, and of course
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: she's in Atlanta. Yeah, and it's a bit, it's a limited.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just want to remind you guys,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Joan lives in Maryland. Chocolate's in Kansas. Just gonna put
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: it out there when I'm at Canyon. I lived in Michigan.
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: No, I didn't.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I lived in LA and so did she.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I lived in LA but she lived in Vegas. That's
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: the truth.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And then but she says she was a working girl
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: in Vegas on you. I said that last night, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I'm like, can you I don't think that means what
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: you think it means.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Luckily, there's great editing for this podcast.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: They know I.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Mean giving us feet right now. It's like, yeah, And
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: then I had a sandwich and it was Carnda. But
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know why.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, Uh, there
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: will be a lot more events such as these where
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you know you can have frequency of visitation.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: And I'm just saying, no, you're playing Cupid is which
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: I am I like you both, so that's good.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, don't, don't, don't cut it short before
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: you have to.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: No, I think I think this is This is one
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: of the cool things that happens with the with the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: network within the Bachelor is you find like minded people
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that are kind, considerate, looking for the same things, willing
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to be vulnerable, willing to open themselves up and.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Willing to take chances, willing to take chances.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And and with that, you know, whether it's you you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: guys never have a three M conversation again, or if
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you have a thousand more, it happened and you're better
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, I think that's a really special thing.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So I'm a job.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Andrew is great at this. He doesn't think he's good
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: at this. I'm like, you're very good at this.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So philosophical, just like the Bachelor. He's me, but way better,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: just like the when he's on the Bachelor. That's why
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: he's my favorite Bachelor right there. All right, we almost
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: famous the OG podcast. We're gonna let you guys off
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the hook right now. We're gonna let you off the hook.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: But we're not done.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: We had more, Yeah, trust me, two more days of this.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to knock on your door three and like.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Got the camera door sixty nine.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wow, Okay, turn your kid's eyes away from
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the camera, everybody, we're talking about the room number sixty
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: nine now, all right, Well, thank you guys, Sondra c
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: K thank you both so much. This was so great
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: to make new friends.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Thanks Andrew.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: Being with the folks last night and all yesterday it
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: makes me feel like I'm just really really glad. Is hey,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: I thank you for making me do this, because I'm
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: glad I did and just looking at Chalk and John
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: interact night it kind of made me endious and I thought,
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: What I want that Well, it just might be sitting
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: right next to you. I'm just gonna say.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I'm married, So I think it's.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah about oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, either way, he's just now getting the other
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: way the other way.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Give you cue cards, you gotta keep. He's quick. He's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: got six hours of the golf course of me in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a little while. So yeah, you're gonna learn.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: That sense of hum very fast, buddy.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: I do appreciate that experience, you know. Chalk anticipated her needs. Yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: how she responded to him. I thought it was very,
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: very very classic.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Well, they're the real deal, you know.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I like that we were talking about earlier, the quiet,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the kind of the quiet confidence that they have together
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: as a couple.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: It's really refreshing, you know.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Not only that, but the franchise needs.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Oh big time.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I think I think we said it. I think it
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: saved the day, reinvigorated the whole thing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: To me, it dead anyway, and I was fatigued as
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: a viewer, I'll just admit it. So it was like
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I was refreshed and I was excited,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and I loved the whole direction, and so yeah, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be great for the whole franchise, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: obviously great for them as a couple too. So and
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: who knows, maybe there are other couples in the making
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: right here on the couch between Andrew and I.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know, how do we overcome eight thousand miles?
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's called Delta Airlines. Ladies and gentlemen.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: They're both hubs, all right, guys, almost famous OLG podcast,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Bubble Beach