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Hayden's Final Days, Perez Update, and Classic Hollywood Rumors with Kate Casey · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: for it? This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
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  Speaker 1: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 3: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean... Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else. Heather MacDonald
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  Speaker 3: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have everybody's favorite
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  Speaker 1: mother of five, smarty pants with a toot, Kate Casey.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: We have a lot to get into, a lot to cover.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to cover some fun shows and some, you know,
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  Speaker 1: typical Juicy Scoop stuff. I do want to start out
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  Speaker 1: the show with very sad news. Hayden Panater, you know
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  Speaker 1: by now that she did pass away on Sunday night,
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  Speaker 1: I believe is when they found her, early Monday morning.
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  Speaker 1: She was only 36 years old. She's been an actress
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  Speaker 1: since she was a child. Really became famous for the
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  Speaker 1: show Heroes when she was like a teenager. Has gone
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  Speaker 1: through a lot. Wrote a memoir. Had a very difficult
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  Speaker 1: marriage to the point where she chose or decided or
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  Speaker 1: it was decided for her. I'm not exactly sure, but
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  Speaker 1: it was unusual that she had the husband have custody
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  Speaker 1: of her child, but it seemed like she was having,
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  Speaker 1: had still a strong relationship with the child.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But they did just, we didn't know, but right as recording,
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  Speaker 1: they did find Narcan in her house. And so they
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  Speaker 1: believe it was an overdose. And then some, and the
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  Speaker 1: reason that she would have Narcan is knowing that overdosing
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  Speaker 1: might be an issue you have it there just so
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  Speaker 1: so upsetting so sad I mean thank God for Narcan
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  Speaker 1: it saves a lot of lives and I guess if
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  Speaker 1: you know you have an addiction issue have it present
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  Speaker 1: but it's like.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so grateful that she wrote that book yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now I want to read it I've never I've not
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  Speaker 1: read it.
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  Speaker 3: Part of her story I think has been kind of
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  Speaker 3: mysterious because she started acting so young and A friend
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  Speaker 3: of mine who's been in the same sort of circles
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  Speaker 3: because of kids has said she just never had a chance.
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  Speaker 3: She started acting so early and when you're in that
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  Speaker 3: environment and if you don't have people that are protecting
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  Speaker 3: you and she was pretty open in her book about
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  Speaker 3: the experiences that she had and I hope that people
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  Speaker 3: all go back and read it now and give her
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of grace to be like 13 years
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  Speaker 3: old and to have experienced what she did. It it's
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  Speaker 3: not a shock to me that life would become so difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one of the stories that she recently shared about
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  Speaker 1: on Jay Shetty's podcast was when she was 18, she
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  Speaker 1: was on one of these yachts and she was excited
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  Speaker 1: to be on the yacht. And she said she was
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  Speaker 1: having a great time and knew many of the people
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  Speaker 1: on the yacht. And this one woman who she knew, trusted,
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  Speaker 1: like a mentor, was like, oh, come down to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the bottom part of the yacht or the ship's and
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  Speaker 1: brought her into this room with this grown man that
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  Speaker 1: was naked with his hands behind his head. And he
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  Speaker 1: was very, very famous. She didn't reveal who that was
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  Speaker 1: and just was like, lay down next to him and
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  Speaker 1: like shut the door. And she didn't, she got up,
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  Speaker 1: she left. And then basically she was like hiding in
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  Speaker 1: compartments of this yacht until, because she's like, what am
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  Speaker 1: I going to do? Jump out of the ship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, in the comments now that this has resurfaced,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, why don't people tell these stories? And, you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: why don't they say who it is? And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because it's a legality thing, it's a scary, whatever, at
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  Speaker 1: least she's kind of sharing like what kind of weird
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  Speaker 1: shit happened. But, you know, of course the conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 1: went right away before we knew that she, it appears
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  Speaker 1: has had, um, an OD situation and there really isn't
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  Speaker 1: any like foul play or anything. It was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, she's going to reveal names and somebody got
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  Speaker 1: to her. And yeah, but even telling something like that
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  Speaker 1: in like the biggest podcast and putting it out there,
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  Speaker 1: that probably added to an already addictive, stressful situation. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know who she heard from that. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: even if it was a comment being like, you better
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  Speaker 1: watch out now and what else is there. And or
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  Speaker 1: blaming her. Why did you go on the yacht? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: who knows what she went through? Just beautiful. And it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it seemed like she was doing better. And
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  Speaker 1: then she also had this other relationship with this guy. Um, this,
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  Speaker 1: this interview on TMZ with Charlie, who is a TMZ, um,
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  Speaker 1: reporter interviewed her boyfriend. This was three months ago, her
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  Speaker 1: on and off again, boyfriend named Brian Hickerson. Um, And
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  Speaker 1: this clip, he seems like, I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 1: just a slow-talking Southern person or if he was on something,
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  Speaker 1: but it seemed a little odd. And it was like
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  Speaker 1: a virtual interview. And it's kind of like, really? You
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  Speaker 1: have to go on TMZ and talk about your on-and-off
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend three months ago? What was the point of this?
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  Speaker 3: But also, why are they interviewing him? Who made the decision,
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  Speaker 3: let's get an interview with this guy?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was three months ago, so of course
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  Speaker 1: these things are resurfacing. But TMZ is putting it out again. Like,
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  Speaker 1: let's put all of our stuff because people are going
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  Speaker 1: to be searching and looking for it. If you have
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  Speaker 1: an interview with someone from a couple months ago, I
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  Speaker 1: don't blame someone for being like, by the way, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't interview this person. Maybe this is something. So anyway, very,
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  Speaker 1: very sad. Sad for her family, obviously, and her child.
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  Speaker 3: So talented.
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  Speaker 1: And so beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: I saw that her former colleague who played her mother–
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  Speaker 3: when she was younger, said she was the finest child
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  Speaker 3: actor she'd ever work with.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, children actors, child actors, they have to
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  Speaker 1: be extremely smart, you know, because they have to, they
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  Speaker 1: have to learn how to read young. They have to
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  Speaker 1: be able to memorize, take direction. So they're like old
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  Speaker 1: souls to start, which also then puts them in a
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  Speaker 1: vulnerable position because they're around adults. They are, you know, again,
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  Speaker 1: they're easy to direct. They're, They're not rolling around the
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  Speaker 1: floor at five years old. They're on set, keeping their mark,
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  Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and over again. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of thought that they easily.
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  Speaker 3: Can be manipulated. The other sad part of that is
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  Speaker 3: that when you're a child who's been abused, you have
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  Speaker 3: to learn to study people to ensure that you're safe
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  Speaker 3: in spaces. And that's probably why she was a great actress, too,
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  Speaker 3: is that she had to learn how to study people
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  Speaker 3: in order to make sure that she was safe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Very, very sad. Good.
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  Speaker 1: This was happy news that happened over the weekend. Jordan
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  Speaker 1: Woods and Carrie Anthony Towns, he plays for the Knicks.
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  Speaker 1: They had a beautiful wedding in Malibu and it was
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  Speaker 1: really gorgeous. Everyone was black tie and everyone was to
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  Speaker 1: wear black. which that really does look really great. When
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  Speaker 1: I went to Kim Kardashian's wedding to Chris Humphrey, everybody
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  Speaker 1: was to wear black or white and or black and white.
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  Speaker 1: That looks good too, but then you feel a little
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  Speaker 1: weird wearing white, even though you're told to. I think
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  Speaker 1: wearing all black is a really great way to go.
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  Speaker 3: And everyone looks great and everyone's happy. Everyone looks great.
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  Speaker 1: You really stand out as the bride. She wore a
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  Speaker 1: very traditional dress. To remind you of who Jordan Woods is,
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  Speaker 1: she has created a very good career in the modeling world,
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  Speaker 1: influencer world. But she was introduced to Kylie Jenner because
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  Speaker 1: her dad worked on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. So her
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  Speaker 1: family knew Jaden Smith of Jada and Will Smith's son Jaden.
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  Speaker 1: And Jaden and Kylie dated in high school. So then
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  Speaker 1: Jordan became Kylie's best friend. And then I believe her
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  Speaker 1: dad passed. And so they did a lot together with
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  Speaker 1: her family. She moved. At one point they were living together,
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  Speaker 1: she and Kylie. And when they did this show called
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  Speaker 1: Kylie's World or something.
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  Speaker 3: I remember it very well. It was a horrible show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It wasn't a strong show.
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  Speaker 3: It was bad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of, it basically replaced the black China Rob show.
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  Speaker 1: So I think there was a slate for that.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And that was not working out. Cause every scene was
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  Speaker 1: just them screaming at each other and Woodland Hills, like
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  Speaker 1: throwing things at each other. And so it was like, well, Kylie,
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  Speaker 1: you know, can do this show with her friend and
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't juicy. It was, you know, her
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  Speaker 1: doing like some charitable work and things like that. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I was actually in a small part of one of
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  Speaker 1: the scenes because I helped with this fan of hers
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  Speaker 1: who had a very debilitating disease that wanted to meet her.
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  Speaker 1: And I reached out and I was like, I know
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  Speaker 1: you guys, I made sure that they were okay with filming.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was like, if you wanted to film this,
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  Speaker 1: like they will film it. Cause she's so such a
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  Speaker 1: fan of Kylie's and Kylie, both Kylie and Jordan were lovely, lovely,
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  Speaker 1: lovely during that time. So then after that, everything's going fine.
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  Speaker 1: The show was one season. I don't think it was
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  Speaker 1: Kylie's jam. Kylie's not like even into the shows now.
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  Speaker 1: She just does her own thing. And, um, and then,
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  Speaker 1: you know, while Tristan and Chloe were still trying to
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  Speaker 1: be a couple after true was born, which by the way, Tristan,
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  Speaker 1: remember they, we found out Tristan cheated on Chloe and
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  Speaker 1: she had to like put a smile on to have
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  Speaker 1: a happy birth. Literally found out like the day she
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  Speaker 1: was being like, rolled into have the baby. They try
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  Speaker 1: to make it work. And there's some party and people
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  Speaker 1: see Jordan kissing Tristan.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, at early in the morning, just like at the
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  Speaker 1: door and it gets back. And that was a huge
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  Speaker 1: thing that betrayal and blah, blah, blah. But Kylie was really,
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  Speaker 1: I remember Kylie, there was a scene and Kylie calls
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  Speaker 1: the sisters and she's like, This is awful and I'm
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  Speaker 1: hurt and I know you guys are hurt, but like
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  Speaker 1: we're better than this. And like, let's just like lay
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  Speaker 1: off of her. And so they were able to eventually
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  Speaker 1: rebuild their friendship. And Kylie and Timothy and Justin and
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  Speaker 1: Haley were all there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's good. By the way, Nick's great championship last game.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. Ben Stiller was there. Oh, and his wife. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's like their biggest fan or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: He's making a doc. I think he was making a
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  Speaker 3: documentary about the Knicks. Like the last season.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was, I mean, if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: marry a basketball player, you married a champion. He's cute.
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  Speaker 1: He seems super into her. It's just lovely. You know,
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  Speaker 1: and like when you think about a young girl that
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  Speaker 1: was drinking all night or at somebody's house and This
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  Speaker 1: guy goes to like kiss her. Yeah, it's horrible. It
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  Speaker 1: is horrible. It's your best friend and you're close to
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  Speaker 1: Chloe too. Like what are you thinking? What are you doing? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're not thinking and you are young. And really the
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  Speaker 1: person to be mad at was Tristan. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: And it appears that they never really have been romantic again.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like Chloe and him never have. But it just.
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  Speaker 1: I know. But this was like such a happy ending.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So good for her. um, yeah, let's see how pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Was that the wedding?
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  Speaker 1: That's the wedding in Malibu.
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  Speaker 3: Very pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Like really looked good. Then Taylor was at some other
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  Speaker 1: wedding and this was like an unfortunate photo because it's
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  Speaker 1: like just a little bustle, but it looked like it's
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  Speaker 1: coming out of her bride's butt. But anyway, I, I
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  Speaker 1: just cannot, um, your feelings. I can't get over the
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  Speaker 1: hair color of Taylor Swift and the bangs. I just,
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  Speaker 1: I think she's beautiful, you know, and I, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if this, is this her real color? And she
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  Speaker 1: just is like one of those people that says, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to put any highlights in it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it is the epitome of Mousy Brown. And I just
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  Speaker 1: don't get it. And I don't get the weird bang thing.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe she doesn't want to sit and have her hair colored.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, I got to write songs.
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  Speaker 1: I just think maybe it is. She's like, I want
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  Speaker 1: to have a hair color that nobody else in their
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  Speaker 1: right mind would ever have either.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It is just, and the bangs, I
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  Speaker 1: just can't. Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the nice thing about bangs is that you don't
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  Speaker 3: have to get Botox in your forehead.
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  Speaker 1: True that.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe she's like, I don't have time to do Botox.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have time to dye my hair. I'm like
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  Speaker 3: making deals happen left and right. Yeah, and maybe this
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  Speaker 3: is her way of just staying completely unique.
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  Speaker 1: Good for her. Don't conform. Don't conform to a cute hairdo.
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  Speaker 1: Keep an ugly one because you can sing. And write
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  Speaker 1: music and play instruments. Perez Hilton, the latest is he's
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  Speaker 1: receiving inpatient mental health care. And the site, the PerezHilton.com,
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  Speaker 1: is starting to post again. I believe it's his sister
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  Speaker 1: who worked with him and is running it. They were
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  Speaker 1: giving the updates on the site. Why not? You have
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  Speaker 1: to have ads running that. Now, if she works with
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  Speaker 1: him and she has a child, then they've got the
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  Speaker 1: mother and they've got his three kids. And he's not...
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  Speaker 1: going to be the face of this anymore. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a hard thing to sustain.
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  Speaker 3: Well, according to Rob Shooter, he says that as of recently,
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  Speaker 3: he was trying to sell the site. He wanted to
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  Speaker 3: either completely change it over to be more faith-centered because
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  Speaker 3: he's had this spiritual awakening, but that he was trying
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  Speaker 3: to sell it and no one was interested. So that
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  Speaker 3: probably compounded on the stress from sepsis, the medical bills.
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  Speaker 3: which seems plausible to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when we originally heard about the live TikTok of
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  Speaker 1: where he was self-harming and being so awful and scary,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, I think he has financial issues. But then
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  Speaker 1: I heard, no, he's in this small house in Miami
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  Speaker 1: with bars on the windows while his $ 4. 7 million house
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  Speaker 1: gets built.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not buying any of that.
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  Speaker 1: That seems strange. Yeah. Like, even if you were building this,
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  Speaker 1: why would you have to be in this very average-looking house?
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  Speaker 3: Did he say why he left Las Vegas?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: Because if you see the footage of the home that
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  Speaker 3: he was in when this happened, it doesn't look like
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  Speaker 3: a multimillion-dollar home.
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  Speaker 1: No, they're saying he was in the house doing this
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  Speaker 1: while this other Miami home was being built. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the only reason I could think that you'd go from
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas to... Florida is just some better tax option
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  Speaker 1: that's better than Nevada. But I thought.
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  Speaker 3: Nevada was pretty good. No, no, no, Nevada is great.
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  Speaker 3: Unless it's that he wanted to be near his mother
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  Speaker 3: and sister.
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  Speaker 1: No, the mother lives with them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole story is weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's very weird. And I wonder, you know, if there
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  Speaker 1: were some type of like drugs or something that would
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  Speaker 1: have added to the psychosis and the breakdown. Something's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And now it's like, is this sister going to have
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  Speaker 1: to get a conservatorship to be able to run things?
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  Speaker 1: And then I saw somewhere else that the mother might
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  Speaker 1: get temporary custody of the kids so that they don't
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  Speaker 1: go to foster care.
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  Speaker 3: I hope he gets better.
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  Speaker 1: Someone needs to step up and say, I need– But
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  Speaker 1: somebody needs to take care of those kids. So you
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  Speaker 1: want to make sure that you have, like, someone in
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  Speaker 1: the family doing that. But, yeah, it's not good.
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  Speaker 3: I feel– I hate to tell you what my bad
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  Speaker 3: feeling is.
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  Speaker 1: Just say it. It's just your thoughts. Just your opinion.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like something bad's going to come out. There
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  Speaker 3: has to be something else to this story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. But I just, I mean, I don't, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just, there seems like it's very, it's very strange. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you never know why someone, like, totally loses it.
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  Speaker 3: True. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, the near-death experience and all that stuff. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how else? I mean, I do think it's a lot
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: when this is all you know. is like this gossipy stuff.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: You're not the top of the totem pole anymore because
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: so many people can do it, us included. And then
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you have the sister and you have the mother and
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you have all these kids. And I also saw a
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: interview of him kind of being like I'm not going
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to give my kids anything they're not getting no the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: money goes to me it's my money and like that's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: fine there's people that are like you know I forgot
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: who people love when like a rich person says and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: then I told my son you're not rich I'm rich
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: you know and like I get it so he could
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: have been playing off of that and being like no
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not like setting up my kids with houses and
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: stuff like they're going to have to work like I
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: did But it seemed a little weird. It seemed a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: little resentful.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: It sure did.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: And it's like you did choose to have these kids.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: You know, you didn't get knocked up.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: You know, you went and got a surrogate and chose
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: to have three children alone without a partner. And he
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: did feature the kids.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Did you see what Lady Gaga put out?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: No, what did she?
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: She posted... something along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: but she recalled the meanest message he ever sent her.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: She had been maybe in a car accident and he
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: said something that was super nasty. And at first I
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: read it and I went, ooh, and then I thought
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: all of us have gone through that where something happens
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: to someone and you go back to the moment that
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: you got the nastiest text or something and you can
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: never let it go.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that are like,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you know what? I don't feel sorry for him at all.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I don't care. This is the ultimate karma. He's fucking evil.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: If he ends up in conservatorship, like Britney Spears did,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: he put that woman through hell. He mocked every single
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: moment of her, you know, breakdowns and things like that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So we don't feel bad. You know, like the things
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that he did on that side, even though he apologized
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and kind of tried to change his ways and he
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: would still he'd still put out the god like he'd
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: still put the gossip but it would be written like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: wow this is really really heartbreaking humiliating stuff about the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: person and then yeah but our thoughts and prayers are
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: with them you know like that's the only difference he
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: still would put out the he was not it's like
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: if you're really going to change you're going to really
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: say hey i'm not i don't want to be part
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: of this like gossip thing of celebrity and i get
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it some people opt out after a while or don't
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: want to do it or whatever and um You know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: then then don't do it at all. Like but like
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: don't all of a sudden still do it. But instead
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: of drawing dicks on, you know, a teenager's face or.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: White lines, you're still saying sticking with me. The fact
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: that you just pointed out that he would talk about
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Britney Spears and what a full circle thing.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: With a conservatorship, possibly. Right. Like I'm going to think
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: about that for a couple of days to come.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Daft.ie I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: who have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: a way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: filed against me.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I need a home dad. What happens next?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: When I came in, he started crying.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: happens next.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: every day was.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: You're worth the work.
• 21:42
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• 21:44
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 21:46
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• 21:49
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• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, Ultimate Girls Trip. It was on last night. It
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: was the second episode. They head to Beverly Hills to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: have like a lunch with Sutton. What is your feeling
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: about the show?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Highlights. Portia's hysterical.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: She's so joyful and cute.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And cute. I feel like Portia and NeNe are AP scholars.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: And the Orange County women were like, basic science classes
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: that were required for graduation. They're in two different leagues.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: And having seen some of them in Orange County, it
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: was really sort of jarring to see their whole beat off.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: They're so much slower that Lisa Barlow- is so much
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: nicer and funnier and kinder than she is on her
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: own show. I don't know what it, like these women
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: bring out a part of her that the others do not.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I think the Lisa Barlow of Salt Lake City is
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just like, she's one of those people like, oh my God,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: everybody's so mean to me on my cast. And everything
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: is my fault. And they point to me and it's
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: really sad because I really... It's like all these girls
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: are so fun. And it's true. It's like this is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: like when you're in class and it's so boring and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you get to go on a field trip. And you're like, actually,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I really like science because we got to go to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: SeaWorld or whatever. I think that's what it is. I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: think it's like this is what's fun. When you're really
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: on the show, you have to defend your family, your marriage.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: They try to take down your business. They say mean
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: things about you that you're not aware of. Like, it
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: is really, really hard for these women. Did you see
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the clip.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Where Heather and Whitney are like, just so you guys know, like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Lisa's an asshole.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Well, what's your... By the way, you are in the clip.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: In the clip, Whitney and Bronwyn... I'm talking to Whitney
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and Bronwyn. I'm finding out about Bronwyn's new dude that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: she left in a warm bed in like Montana somewhere.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And at the time she's telling me and I'm like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: how's Todd? And she's like, he's being really nice to me.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So I was like, don't worry. I'm not going to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: say that you're like with this dude because this was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: before it was out. But I was like, good for
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you for getting rid of the grump from the movie Up. Like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: goodbye with that sad sack. And so they're like, you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: talking and we're having fun. At the time, Whitney was
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: telling me like, oh, my God, my business. I'm here.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: The most exciting thing is happening with my business. And
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, OK, that's great. And then Giselle came up.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And that's when they're like, we need to warn you, Giselle, like,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: watch out for Lisa Barlow. And that's where I'm just
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: sitting going like, I'm not leaving. They're not telling me
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to leave and I'm not going to leave. And basically
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: they're warning her like and, you know, and Giselle is also.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: very good at this game. She is elite level. Like
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in that she's entertaining. She's not too mean. She doesn't
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: like plot a bunch of shit behind the scenes. She's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: really kind of good in the moment. And she's like,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? Like she's been really pleasant to me.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And she's like, Giselle, you just met her. You have
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: no idea the kind of shit Lisa Barlow can do
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to destroy your life. She will gain information from you
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and then use it against you. Giselle's like, I don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: know what kind of information I'm giving her. I'm like, no,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you're not giving her any. There is nothing that you
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: guys– there's nothing that's going to happen on this show
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that's going to ruin people's lives. That's not what this
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: field trip is about. This is not the Elder Girls trip.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: So I was just saying– and they're just like– and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: meanwhile– like Lisa Barlow is across the backyard at the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: white party the whole time, never coming near.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: And then she was something to do with them.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that was it. Giselle came up and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: she's like, why is your cast half your cast over here?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Meaning Lisa Barlow and Meredith. So they were good. So
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Meredith is there too. And they're like across the way.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, and then, um, Whitney and Bronwyn
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: are over there. And I'm just like, Do.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: You think that the women who are from the franchises
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: who are not invited as the core group feel like, OK,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be on the show for a hot minute.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I really got to make it make my presence known.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Because the funny thing is the core group, they're just
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: laughing and have a good time. But in the first
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: episode of Orange County of Tamara fighting with Shannon and
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: it ruined the whole vibe.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It ruined the whole vibe. And I definitely think that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: was very performative on Tamra's part because it wasn't Shannon that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Brought it up.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: But then it was Giselle that was like, tell me,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: do you two hate each other? You know, and then.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: But they could have been like maybe today. I mean,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: they could have made a joke about it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, Tamara's whole job for 20 years
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: is to make something happen in a scene. And it
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: was mean what she said and uncalled for because she's like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I'm good. I've got a husband and my kids are
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: in college. And I was like, I'm sorry, Shannon's daughters
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: are really successful. One already graduated from college and the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: other two are still there. And the other two are
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: still like currently enrolled.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And like living a great life.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, and now aren't we watching you say
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the college thing didn't work out for Sophia and that's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: why I got out of this apartment.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And who cares if someone is in college or not?
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Like it just, especially in this day and age, I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: just thought it was just like a weird, like a, Like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: did you not plan this out enough in the car
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: when you were, like, tying your roller skates?
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Like, you should have.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Planned it out better because that was– a lot of
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: people were like, why is she bringing up the kids
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: thing when your own daughter doesn't talk to you? Like,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I don't– I was just like– I was team Shan
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: on that one. And I would– and walk away. I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: hate it when people are like, walk away.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I will walk away.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Like, why would I be subjected to you, like– Basically
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: saying that I'm a bad mother. It was.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I know, but they could make it funny. She could
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: walk away and go, okay, lunatic, or something like that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: But it's too serious. Yeah, so then that was like, well,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: now you guys are in trouble and you're not invited
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to anything else. And then they go to these other
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: parties and they have the ugly pants party thing. Which
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: was cute.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: How about on the drive to Beverly Hills? They're all like, Vicky,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: you suck, who's on her laptop. Same thing, 20 years later, still.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: The woman does not evolve at all. I've got work
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: to do!
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I've got work to do.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Again, how many times have we said this to each
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: other on the phone? Is it a flex?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: That you're still selling insurance policies?
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: At 64 years old.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Where are all the other businesses that you had created
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: from this show?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Vicky's Diamonds. You're supposed to put diamonds for Vicky. Wine
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: by Wives. There was the vodka that had like a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: weird flavor.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: It was called Vicky's Vodka.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: God help me.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Okay. And it had like pepper or like Bloody Mary
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: or something in it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, that didn't go. She had a book.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: There's been so many, you know, other things, multiple podcasts,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you know. But, oh, you know what? The one that
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: she does now.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Well, we love Christian.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But how is it that she can recap and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: talk about the show? But it's my understanding Tamara can't
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: with Teddy. Teddy has to get, like, other co-hosts during
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the airing of the show.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I think Vicki just doesn't give a shit.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: She doesn't give a shit. She's like, you know what? whatever. Yeah,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm like, she doesn't get, like this is
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the thing. I don't think she wants to come back
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: after these seasons.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think she cares either.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I think she got that orange and she's like, I
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: want to end on a high note, but I'm also
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: not going to miss a dollar. So I'm going to
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: take this two-hour bus ride to, and work on my shit,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and I don't care. And then when Teresa's like, well,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: since we're talking about it, you're really mean to me too.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: You're like, pay your taxes, and what do you mean
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: by that? That was not nice. That gives me a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: lot of anxiety. And Vicki's like, That was someone else
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: on my cast. Wait, who on your cast didn't pay
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: their taxes?
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: That's what I would love to know.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Who are you talking about?
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden she goes, oh, you
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: guys need to shop at that store. It's great for
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: luxury stuff.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Very high end, very high end.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Like what? I cannot with her, ever.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But, you know, she's so terrible that it's entertaining.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: You always have to have some, it's the same thing
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: with the Valley. You have to have somebody that everybody
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: talks shit about.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Then they all have to get professional makeup to stay
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: in the hotel room and have.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Their enough with the scenes where the makeup artists are
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: doing their hair and makeup. I don't need that. I
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: don't need it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Well, sometimes there's conversations. That's why.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Very rarely.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we. So, yeah, that's where we are with that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: It's kind of fun. Everybody else you've talked about. OK. Oh,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit like, you know, Kyle's.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: crying about her 30-year wedding anniversary, and I talked a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: little bit about how awful Vicki was when she said, like, no,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you should feel that. But now I saw the whole scene.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: She's like an old-school person whose entire sense of self
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: is built around a man.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I just want to know, is Dawn watching? Like, I'm
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: sure he's not. I would love to know what's up
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: with him. Like, she has.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. Okay. In the show, Vicky's like,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I got wrapped up in being a TV
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: star and everything. And I should have stayed with Don.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I should have stayed with Don. I shouldn't have fooled around.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't, I shouldn't say fooled around, but remember something
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: happened in Cabo off camera where she and Tamara probably
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: got like a free trip and went. And then Tamara
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: on the reunion goes, you called me. The next morning
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it's like, there's a naked guy in my bed. And
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Vicki's like, you're disgusting, Tamara. And like Tamara, like Tamara
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: cannot keep a secret. Yeah. Cannot keep a secret. Like
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that's why I think people are afraid of her in
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the cast. Because she has that ability to, like a girlfriend,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: where you want to confide in everything. But you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you never know. And it's not going to be just
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: shared at a lunch. It's going to be shared with
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: cameras online. maybe even save it for the reunion. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that is probably what ended their marriage, I think.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she was already seeing Brooks, but
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: it appeared like maybe she was.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it could be like the Angie situation on
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City where the husband's like, you have become
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: a monster.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: True.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I cannot deal with this.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And yeah, I mean, but she basically says that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: She's like, I wish I would have focused more on
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: like the law, which is also very insulting to her
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: live-in boyfriend. I mean, Michael, we're saying, I don't know
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: if we'll get married or not that here's her now,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but he is a developer. He's a developer. I'm like,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I don't really, I think she doesn't like being alone,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: but I think she still is like, if I could
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: go back, like she said, I would have just stuck
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: with Don and just take, like, he was probably just
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: an easygoing dude and, you know, was, was good to
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: her kids and, Whatever. Because by leaving Dawn, she had
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: to suffer with horrible Brooks.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Praise them. That's what they're like. I can go to
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: my DMs and get told how I'm the best person
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: that ever walked planet Earth.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And you don't even seem to care that I'm a
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: big deal on the Bravo network.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: True, true.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: And these men are like, fuck off.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: But when you think about it, after Dawn, she had
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: horrible Brooks, okay?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Which still.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: People are always going to question. I want to know
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: what happened to that guy. Can we do like a.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: He's married.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: He got married.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Do they have kids? Like where's he living?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think he had kids. I think she
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Is he selling timeshares? Like what's happening?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I think he married. I think he's a grifter. It
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: looked like he had a very nice wedding. He married.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing the photos. He married an attractive girl
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that was probably like 10 years younger than Vicky. Okay.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: So like younger than him. But I mean, I remember
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: one time we were hanging out with them and he
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: said he was 46 and Peter was like, Peter was like, no,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you're not. To the point where like Brooks had to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like take out his ID. And I'm like, Peter, that
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: is like so rude.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: But was he 46?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: He was one of those people I think that just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: always looked 55 from like.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: That guy, in high school, he looked like an insurance
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: salesman with a briefcase. 100%. Selling tiles or something.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Then she got the horrible sheriff, who was the brother
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: of the host from Blind Date, who then ran for governor,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: who then brought a schoolteacher to the Puerto Vallarta condo
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: behind Vicky's back and then married her within months, who's
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: 30 years younger than him. Again. Again.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I'd like to do, where are they now? Are they
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: still married?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Well, someone will tell us.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Someone will tell us.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe I need to.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Get Brian Moylan in on this. He would go back
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: and check all this stuff out.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And then she has this guy who seems fine, but
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I think she's just, I like that she, when I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: saw the edited clip of her not consoling Kyle, I
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: made fun of it because we hadn't seen it yet.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: to Jacques Peterson, and I was like, oh my God,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: who says this to somebody? But then when I watched
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, I was like, this is why we're
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: watching Ultimate Girl Strip. It's for them to really reflect
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: on what it's like to be a real housewife, to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: be on TV, to expose your family and your marriage,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and what things are you happy about, what things do
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you regret? And even though she's being kind of a
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: nightmare dick, like she is giving it, she's giving it
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and she's being honest. And then we get over to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: her own season of season 20. Um, it is, I mean,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: it takes me like three to four attempts to get
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: through it. It is so dull.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: It's bad.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And, you know, compared to like when you're watching something
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: that you are into and you're like sitting up and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: like really taking notice, There's just nothing going on. It's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: nobody's fault. It is what it is. This is their
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: life and there's nothing going on. But going to Las
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Vegas and doing the showgirl thing where Vicky reminded me
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: of Dustin Hoffman and Tootsie. It was just like everyone
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: looked awful. Why are you making these older women put
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: on these skimpy outfits?
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: It's like a retirement home. And everyone at the retirement home.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Does little plays and stuff.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: And has theme nights. Where they dress them up. Because
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: when they're just sitting around, it's so boring. They have
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: to do things that are like really out of the
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: box to get them excited and to make it fun. Right.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And she's got her bum knee.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Dressed up like old women.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And then once again, the lady's like five, six, seven, eight.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And then Shannon steps on six. Okay, Shannon, I know
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you said that absolutely you're this uncoordinated and clumsy. But
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you know not to start stepping before you hear, everyone knows, five, six, seven, eight,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and everyone knows that whether you can dance or not.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: It would have been funnier if she was like, I'm
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: not going to even try this. Like, I can't do
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: step aerobics. Like, what is the point?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Well, she knows that's what she can do. And she
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: knows that's the way, look, you know, she's got nothing
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: else going on. She's not dating anybody. She's not really
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: doing a business anymore. The lemon pants are sold out.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: So why do they keep bringing the same cast back?
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: The last episode, it was a fight for 20 minutes
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: about you're my best friend, she's my best friend. Let
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: me tell you something. If I hear an adult woman
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: talk about their best friends, it's like a red flag
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: It's weird. It's so boring that when I watched it
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: for the third time because I was falling asleep, I realized, okay,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Heather Dubrow says to me, Gina and Emily, who have
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: been best friends for the eight years that they've been
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: on the show. They both came, I believe, the same
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: year or one right after the other. And they became
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: best friends and they always room together. And finally it
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: gets revealed. We don't like you guys rooming together because
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: once production shuts down, you guys can freely talk and
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: plan out the next day and talk about and we
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: will never know what you said. And we feel like
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that's unfair because everything that, you know, we are sharing
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: everything and we don't like this. And that is really
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: what it is. Without saying it, it was pretty obvious
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: what they were saying. And, yeah, Tamara was like, yeah,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. Like, we don't like you guys
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: spending time alone like that, like eight hours alone, like talking.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And then also Emily goes– I'll tell you, Gina, I've
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: been your best friend for eight years. Oh, my God, again.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Make it stop.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And you've told me a lot of things in confidence.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: What do you say?
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Confidence.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Confidence. You've told me a lot of things in confidence.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And I have never, ever revealed any of those things.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, hi, you just got one of you fired. Oink.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: You just got one of you fired. Because now we realize,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: or both of you. You got alliance.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Alliance.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You know who doesn't keep a secret? Tamara. Okay? Tamara's
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: been revealing that Vicky fucked somebody in Cabo. Like, she
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't keep a secret. And it makes for a good human,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: makes for a worse reality show person. And we don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: want to know that you guys are keeping secrets, that
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Gina almost left her boyfriend or fiance, or that Emily
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: revealed that She and Shane have actually never had sex.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Who knows what.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Whatever it is.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: If you were Tamra, then we would know about this
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and we would have a better season. So now one
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: or both of you are going to have to go
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: if this show comes back next season. I think that
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: was the coffin.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's coming back?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: The nail in the coffin. I don't know, but that
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: was the nail in the coffin because it's like, that's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: why this is boring. Because you guys are such good friends,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: because you guys actually have each other's back and you're planning...
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you know, which Heather's.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Trying to say, why do you keep these two broads here?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that they can just have their pleasant thing. Well,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: we have to stab each other in the back.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: You know, like hard work required labor.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We have to have, you know, Vicki say that
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: somehow we took money from Terry's dead brother, uh, to
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: build something. Yeah. And then, and then I guess, you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: then he said, I bet you a hundred thousand dollars, Vicki,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that the, for you to prove that that's true, because
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: it's not. And she's like, whatever, it was a rumor.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: She's probably like, look, I was trying to make something
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: happen at that boring Valentine's Day party. So I had
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: to accuse you of, you know, taking.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: If they didn't have, like, how much footage is on
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the cutting room floor of them just, like, putzing around?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's much. I mean, I just think, like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: you know, they go to the restaurant and, like... And then, oh,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and then Carmella, the new girl... You know, is like,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you know, it's so awkward where she's like, hey, boyfriend
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of four years, you're going to come over.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: We're going to eat pizza and cupcakes. So I look
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: like a real girl. And then we're going to bring
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: up the fact that you cheated on me four years ago.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: And he's like, OK. And she's like, my kids just
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: need to feel safe and secure. Like I created a
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: home where it's safe, a home. You've left them. in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: San Diego so that you could be on this show.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And the one scene you filmed with them, you revealed
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that neither of them even go to school. So how
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: are they gonna get into college? Even if you get
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Singer out of prison to help you get them to school,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: we now know that they don't attend. There's a truancy
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: law being broken.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: I really need the good people who watch this network
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: to understand she does not live in the county. She
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't live in the county.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: She rented a house.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Her children don't go to school in the county.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: So you're saying because the boyfriend, who's not their dad,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: cheated on you four years ago, that somehow he's upsetting
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the security of the children, yet you go on a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: reality show, reveal that the kids don't go to school,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and also say, stay in San Diego while I rent
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: a place for $ 35, 000 to pretend like I have to
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: do my real estate business in a whole other city.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: When San Diego has plenty of houses to sell there.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Gosh, it makes no sense.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I wish they would just go, you know what?
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: She also works for Oppenheim, so I think that's, this
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: is my theory.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: They do have offices in both. I get it. You
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: want to be on the show. The rental is down
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the street.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: From the Oppenheim office. I think that those twins were like,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: let's try to get some people on Bravo, too, so
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: we can just grow the real estate practices.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Yeah, there could have been, definitely there's a synergy
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Because she doesn't make sense for selling the O.C., So
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, she was on Playboy. Maybe she could
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: be on Real Housewives of Orange County. And then people
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: can remember our real estate practice that we have in
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Orange County.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Was she?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did like some wrestling. What? She did some
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: wrestling show. Listen, I get it. You know, if someone's
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: doing real estate and they're not on a TV show,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: are they really doing real estate? That's a good question.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: You have to be a TV realtor to actually. So
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I think like, I don't blame her for doing this.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I could see going, hey, there's this opportunity. It's only
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: going to be about four months of filming. I'm going
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to rent this place for six months down there. I'm
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: going to be bought back and forth.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think she's renting it. You guys are old
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: enough to drive. I think it's an off-the-line house. She's
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: not renting it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is. Whatever it is. And then they're all
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: mad because she says to them, I'm going to have
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Jen help me. She's not going to help her.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: She's just going to be her assistant.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: They're just going to go.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: To, you know, Restoration Hardware and pick out some lamps
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: for staging.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Leave it the fuck alone.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Like, who cares? And also, she's smart. It gives her
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: a chance to film with a regular cast member. Like,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I would infiltrate myself, too. I'd buy the Dior bag.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I would get Dumb Dumb Jen to help pick out
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: some throw pillows. She doesn't have to keep her in
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: her business forever. And she's not going to ask her. Like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: she's like, that means she's asking her for capital.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: No, she's not.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: She just said, I'll show you how I do it. Like,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: it was just like, ugh.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Do you think Jen's like, oh, God, now I have
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to go with her to Restoration Hardware? I just want
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: to sit at home in a bikini and hang out
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: with Ryan, who doesn't seem to have a job.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: No, I think she wants to go to Restoration Hardware.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: You think so?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I think that makes her feel good. I don't think
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: she wants to work.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Like, screw that.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: There's really not much going on. Okay, tell me what
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you think of the Shards. The Shards.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: They're high school seniors at Buckley. Yes. Because the author
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: went to school there.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I thought it was Harvard Westlake. Buckley. Same thing.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: They are hypersexual. They talk very strange. Rich people in
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: the 80s kind of talk like this, which is hysterical.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: They're all way too old. They're all in their 20s.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: But then again, I thought a lot of 80s movies
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: did have like 30 and 40 year olds.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I talked about this with Jacques. And I'm telling you, people...
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: People in that time did act and behave a lot older.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: They really did.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: No one is worried about the SATs.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: There's no homework. The SATs just started to be a thing.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: It just started to be a thing. And like Princeton
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Review began like mid 80s where you could like take
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: classes to do better. Okay, Debbie's father.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Played by Wes, what's his name, Wes Bentley or something,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: is he supposed to look like Andy Warhol? Like, why
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: does he look so weird?
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: The blonde-haired guy?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just think.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: He's so creepy-looking.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I just think, yeah, I just....
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, also.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like an episode behind, right?
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Important to know for pop culture history, which a lot
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: of people obviously now know, Kaya Gerber's mother was married
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: to Homer... Yes. Geer's father.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: They were married.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: And she, 20 minutes after they have their first meeting,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: they never knew each other before. He says to her, oh,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: by the way, my dad was married to your mom.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: And her response was, oh, cool. Let me tell you something.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, my mom would go run errands.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: My favorite thing to do was to go into her
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: closet and look through her files. It's the way I
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: knew she had an extra marriage that she had an old.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I wanted to know all the information. That's the reaction.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: When you're around someone who is the child of someone
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: that your mom was married to, you wouldn't want to, like,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: yuck it up.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: But do you think that's a truthful story?
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what they say. But she does seem sort of, like,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: not impressed with anybody.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, cool. I'm like, you don't want to go, oh,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: my God, what a riot. Our parents were married. Look
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: at us now. Now, okay, another thing. Everyone's like, oh,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: he's a dead ringer for his father. No, he's not.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: He looks just like his mom.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: The other thing is you don't know that growing up
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: in that house, that might have been a point of
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: contention like for Gerber. Like where, you know, like or
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: maybe a funny thing or maybe she, you know, didn't
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: like that. You know, like how sometimes people don't want
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to know that like their parents ever.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Like married someone else or was with someone else.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Like why did they get divorced? So she was 22
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: when they got married.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: They just got a hamster came in between them, right?
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: He was 37. 37. And she said she.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Wait, she was how old? She was 22.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: And he was 37? And she was just beginning her
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: modeling career. But he's already an actor big time deal.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: But wait, were they married before Pretty Woman or after?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: You don't know.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: I think it was probably after.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: And she said she just started to just take on
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: his personality. She's like, I guess I'm a Buddhist because
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Richard is Buddhist.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: And then she felt like, who am I? Because then
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: her career is exploding. And then they were never together
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: because she's traveling for modeling. He's acting.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: She got married to him at 22?
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: 22. So they were married for five years. And then
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: it was like.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. I didn't know they were together that long.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I guess we should split.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Like we have nothing in common. But then I was like,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: imagine you get married to this hot guy. And then
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: he's like, I have to go and meet with the monks.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I've got to go to Tibet. Do you want to
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: like tag along?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Now I kind of want to do a deep dive
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: on the timeline of Pretty Woman, the hamster. Mm-hmm. And
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: you're like, Heather, what's the hamster? For the three people
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: that don't know what the hamster is, I remember where
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: You do.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: When I heard the call. I was talking to my
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: girlfriend whose dad was a prominent doctor in Pasadena. She
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: is the one who told me. And she is not
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a gossip girl at all. And she said that the dad,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: it literally came from the dad, that it was somebody
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: in an ER that said this, and it got to her,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: got to me, and it started to spread everywhere. I
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: was not the one that spread it. that Richard Gere
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: came to the hospital and there was a hamster stuck
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: up his butthole. And that that was some weird sexual
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: thing where someone would want a live hamster to kind
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: of like a hamster wheel but in your butthole.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I don't believe this.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I don't believe any of this.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: There was a rumor about Jerry Penicoli. Same thing. He
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: was like a television anchor. And I think it's some
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: weirdo who came up with.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: This stupid joke. Now, this is the Netflix doc I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: want to see. Because this was a rumor that went
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: rampant before social media or anything else. And it was,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like I remember another rumor.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: By the way, are we going to green light this?
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: I'll executive produce it. We'll call it rumors. And each
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: episode is a horrible rumor. that we were going to
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: get to the bottom of.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Hamster gate is episode one.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Hamster gate. So, so it starts out with a call. Hello.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, hi.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: You know, it's me. I'm 19, whatever. I think I
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: was about 19. I want to say it was like
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: right around college time. So we have to look at
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the timeline. And then this starts going around and it's like,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: oh my God, I can't believe he's gay. He was
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: married to, you know, um, Sidney Crawford, and then he
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: goes on a talk show and goes, yeah, there's crazy
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: rumors that I had sex with a chicken. Instead of
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: saying a hamster, he said a chicken, which I'm like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: why don't you just say there's a weird rumor about
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: a hamster that never fucking happened, okay? But it was
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: like he kind of danced around it and was like,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous. Then, years later, I heard from... A
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: gay guy.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: We started talking about this. And he said what he
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: discovered was there were two gay guys having dinner. And
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Cindy Crawford and Richard Gere were there. And they wanted
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: an autograph. They wanted something. And they felt that they
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: were rude or he was rude or whatever. And it
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: pissed him off. And they started the rumor going. And
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: it went crazy. And it was always like, no, I
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: know the ER nurse. Or in my case, no, my
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: dad heard from somebody. It was like everyone that had
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: the info had like a little bit of like, well,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: it must be true. And then he goes on and
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: marries somebody else. And, you know, all this other stuff is,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I believe he has like some, you know, 35-year-old wife now.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: And continued to do movies and get work. But there
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: was always this thing. I remember also my brother telling me, like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: listening to a Rod Stewart song. And I was young.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: You know, I knew about so many things young that
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I should not have known about. And he was like, oh, yeah,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Rod Stewart was brought into the hospital. And he had
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: so much sperm in his stomach from sucking so much dick. What?
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: What?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: That they had to like pump his stuff.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: That is such an older brother dumb rumor made up.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Also that makes no sense. Not at all. Or whatever.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: And how old are you? He told you this? Yeah,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: so he told me this.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: So then I had to hear Roger and see that
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: he's on his seventh wife. And I was like, oh,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that isn't true, you know, like.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's more disturbing things that Rod Stewart, like,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: wrote a song about, like, tonight's the night. Spread your
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: wings and let me come inside, my virgin child. And, like,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: those are the lyrics that we should be concerned about.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Not even if this was true, but I was just, like,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I remember imagining, like, a guy in the hospital with
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: his spiky blonde hair and them, like, pumping his stuff.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. By the way, how old were you
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: when he tells you this?
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Nine.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Nine.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: See, this is the problem with older brothers. They're such idiots.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: They say, this is something like a little sister.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: This is 80s life in the valley. I don't know.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: By the way, you can't have it all. You can't
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: have it all. You can be a singer. You can
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: be a movie star. And then you've got to fight
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: these rumors. Can't have it all.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I do feel like social media and things run further,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: but I also feel like things, if they are crazy rumor...
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: If it isn't true, there is that same kind of
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: investigative work that could be then debunking it a little bit.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: If it was about you cheating or being gay or
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: whatever the case, you know.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: By the way, we need to find those two guys
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: that were sat next to them at dinner.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: That's the end of the episode.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: And also I want to know, has any person taken
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: a hamster? And how would the hamster get in there?
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, the whole story.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: Stupid.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Stupid.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Like those little feet?
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: But I do know there's a million ER stories about
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: how a firefighter had to come and a girl stuck
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: something up there and it got stuck or a man
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: sat on it. Or a Lego. And then they go,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I slipped and fell on this doorknob. And you're like,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: how did you slip and fall on a doorknob in
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: your butt? By the.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Way, the beginning of the episode.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: My Drake is probably freaking out because this is like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: very dirty episode for that.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: But, um, okay. Episode two guys walk in and they
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: sit down. They're like, okay, we're going to do this.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Is that the beginning? The two gay guys that were
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: sitting next to them?
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Yes. And then if they just said it to one person,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: and do they have any guilt?
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: That's what I need to know.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Do they have any guilt?
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: That's what I need to know. I need to know that.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: I need to know Brooks. I need to know if.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: There were other movies that were given to other people
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: that he was going to get that were maybe Oscar
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: worthy that were just too close around the rumor.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: By the way, good question. Was he in any animal movies? Because,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: you know, big movie stars will do like one of
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: those movies to just get a big paycheck. And were
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: they like, listen, we can't do this, Richard.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, after the hamster rumor, he did one of
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: my favorite movies, Unfaithful.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Great movie. Great movie.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: And I loved that movie and I thought he was
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: a great actor. And at that point, I already knew
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: about the two gays at the restaurant. And so I
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: was like, this never happened.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Got it. Okay.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I 100% know it never happened.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. But it really is awful that for so– for
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: that you would think that and like– Yeah. And then
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: it's always that thought like where you– where maybe his
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: PR person at the time was like, this is just
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: a rumor. It's not even being written anywhere. So you
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: should just ignore it. And so he chose to ignore
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: it or make a joke about it in the sex
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: with the chicken line, which I.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Was like, no.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I would have just been like– Yeah. No, this never happened.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: When the rumor, when it was said that I sold
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: stories about Chelsea Handler for money or exchange for publicity
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: for myself, I've said over and over, it's never happened.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: There's no proof to it. There's no article. There's no
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: tracing back to it. There's no person that ever could
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: say that it was true at Us Weekly or anywhere else.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: But still- It'll be like a comment under a photo
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: of mine, and it'll pop up all the time, and
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, whatever. At least it's not that I had
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: a hamster up my butt.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: True.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I can't complain.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: You can't complain.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm not. Okay, so the Valley, they had their reunion,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: and it's the second episode. How are you feeling about it?
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: A couple things. One, you need Danny and Nia, because...
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: A true story about 30, a group of people in
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: their 30s is that there's going to be one couple
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: in the group who act like they have a great
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: marriage or they're super happy. And everyone in the group
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: is like, I'm not buying what they're selling. And it's
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: the whole act of unraveling what's really going on behind
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: closed doors. And that's why I find it fascinating and
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: I've enjoyed it. Lacey is a total star. I interviewed her.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Total star. I don't understand why they never had her
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: on Real Housewives of Orange County, and they should.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I think she's just too young.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: No, she's in her 30s.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I know, but, like, I think she... You mean for
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: this group. Yeah, but the last few years she's been
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: dating Jesse, so it's like, and now.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Reboot and get her on.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe, maybe.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Where does she get her money, Lacey?
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: She got married to someone who had, I think, a
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: lot of.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Money.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Money, yeah.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: And so she gets child support and a big cut.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: But I think she said she did something before. I
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Well, she's living a good life. Okay. Why did everybody
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: go to Jasmine's wedding when she seems to not like
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: several of them? I'm surprised she invited everybody.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I just think, you know, this is who she works with.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: And if you cut out one person, why not?
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Let this be a lesson to people who are getting married.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Don't invite your coworkers. You're going to look back at
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: those photos and go, why did I... Why did I
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: ask Sammy from Sales to come? Because Sammy in Sales
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: is going to be like an asshole on the dance
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: floor and make a fool of himself. And then you're
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: stuck with pictures.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I got married while I was on a TV show.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: And you invited everybody?
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: No. I was on Lyricist's Lounge. And the only... person
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: invited was Tracee Elstrath.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: I thought you remember you told me that.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: And I did think later on, was that wrong? Should
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I have invited at least the executive producer? But then
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, that would be rude to the
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: writers that I share a room with. But I remember thinking, oh,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: should I? And then, yeah, I'm glad I didn't because...
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: After this, we did one more season and then it
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't like I was on Friends. I was on this
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: like sketch show.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: But I do feel like– I feel like it was
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: smart for her. Listen, it's not just a TV show.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I mean social media and everything.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: If the show was on and I got Marriage Day
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and we all had accounts and we were posting every day,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: then yes, I probably would have invited everybody that was
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: on camera and a couple of the EPs and writers.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I probably would have. Because I would have seen it
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: as a good promotion for the show, and it would
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: have looked rude if I didn't. I mean, what's $ 300
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: or $ 400 a person in the long run of just
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: looking good and hoping to stay on the show? Now,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: if they don't ask Jasmine back.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: What's she going to do? God, I can't believe I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: invited all those people.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a possibility she won't be asked back.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I want that or anything.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I just feel like. she's always like trying to get
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: a word in you know and then when she said
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: i'm sick of hearing about the kids.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: By the way totally agree i.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Totally agree too but i just think it again sort
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: of separates her from the group.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Oh my god and i listen i'm saying this as
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: a mom of five why are the babies in all.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: The scenes Because they're smart. They're like, I don't want
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: to be away from my baby if you're going to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: film me. I'm going to have the baby with the nanny.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's that. I think they use them
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: as human shields. Are you going to scream at Nia
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: if she's breastfeeding a baby? You're not.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I swear. And then, on top of everything, Jax
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Taylor posted this. Like seven pages of a long thing.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: The spelling and grammatical errors alone are enough to drive
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: my mother crazy.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: So he emailed her. He emailed Brittany, his ex-wife and mother,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: they share crews, and wrote this long, awful email and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: then thought, I'm going to screen grab this and put
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: it in a slideshow on my Instagram because obviously people
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: are going to read this email that I wrote to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: my ex-wife berating her and clearly be on my side.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: She's insane.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: And short, I guess, I don't know how long it
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: was up, but this girl, Ashley, she, she caught it.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: So then I read it. He had already taken it down.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: So this PR girlfriend must've left him alone while he
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: took a shit for four minutes and And then, you know,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: was pounding on the door. Jax, delete this. Not a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: good idea.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: And when you read it, you're just like, ugh.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: You know what would have been better?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: You know what she has to deal with is all
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: This is a tip to TMZ. Next time you run
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: into him, give him a speed round of questions. What's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: the name of Cruz's best friend? What's the name of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: his therapist? What are his favorite foods? What activities does
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: he like to do? How old was he when he
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: hit this milestone? I guarantee you he can't answer any
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: other questions.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: That's so smart.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's just like this whole thing. You're
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: so full of shit, Brittany, and he's not in kindergarten.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I'm the one that got him in the therapy.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't matter. But does one person believe that?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: What does this do for Cruz?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Nothing.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: For you to then put this out there. He doesn't care, though.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Their source of income is being famous. You can't put
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: the toothpaste back in the tube. She is doing her best.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: She's drawing awareness to people who have children on the spectrum.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: She's showing what she's doing, making the most of it,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: doing everything she can with him.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: How about the part where she said, I built a
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: whole sensory room for him? I don't think he knows
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: what sensory room would be.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, so it's just like... Yeah. I'm so
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: glad that he posted this even for a second because
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: it just proves her points. Reminds everybody. Okay, so imagine
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: you're co-parenting with someone. You guys have a special needs child.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: He's starting kindergarten. He is able to go to the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: kindergarten maybe with a shadow or whatever. And now this
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: is all being... Picked apart and spewed in a fighting
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: email with.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: The father publicly. Do you think he's trying to get
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: a new show or something? Because this isn't helping. Yeah,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: that backfired.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Really backfired bad.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Do you think that Publis' girlfriend is like, fuck. Do
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: you think he falls asleep and he's snoring in the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: bed and she's got one eyeball open?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Not yet.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: There's like a light in the corner.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Not yet.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: And she's just like, what have I done?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: She's blinded. Listen, there are women that marry murderers behind
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: bars who then cheat on them with other women that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: come to visit them and they stick by them because
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: they believe in the covenant of marriage. Women are stupid
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: sometimes when it comes to falling in love with men.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: They don't believe that there is another penis out there
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: that will fit. And they are just.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Like, this is it. Maybe she's like, I'm going to
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: be the one to fix Jax.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: It's not even that. It's just they just fall for
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: this guy and they just don't want to not. Even
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Brittany said, you know, I'd get mad at him and fight.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: And then I just needed to be around him. So
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: he does have that with certain type of women. He does.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: He does have a charm, something. He's never had trouble
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: getting a girlfriend. He's never had trouble getting laid. He
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: still doesn't. And in the process can make a certain
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: type of woman like do everything for him. Look what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: she did all those years. I mean, how many times?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was not only did she see it
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: and prove it, then it was on repeat of him
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: cheating and not being great. And she still chose to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: marry him. She still told herself, Things are better now.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: He's totally changed. We'll get married.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: It's a mystery what about him in the first place
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: she even saw.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: They had a little spinoff where they spent the summer
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: in Kentucky or something. It was for a wedding.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Before the wedding.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: And there were so many moments that were like, I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: didn't watch the whole thing, but when I see clips,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: that he was awful. He was, yeah. Like a million
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: red flags. where the parents and everybody was like, but
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: then it's part of the show. Just like anyone who
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: gets married, you're like, well, we already did the deposit
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: and everyone's expecting it. Now imagine pulling out when it's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: also your income, all of your friends, the fun of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: getting married, telling yourself that like, this isn't going to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: get better. And the way she is wanting to believe
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: it and being so in love with him and like,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: She was working at Hooters before she met him.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: I saw a clip where she said, I really believed
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: in him, and I always try to believe in people,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: and it's a quality about myself that I'm really proud of,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: and I don't want that to change.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, she needs to hang out with me
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: a couple times. I've watched so many true crime documentaries
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: and cult docs.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think she's getting there, and some of
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: it is just maturity. Some of it, for some people...
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: you know, but then she picked that other guy and
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: then admitted to giving him $ 10, 000. Maybe there's like three
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: different baby mamas and four kids and not cute.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: I can't keep up with it. Yeah. Maybe I need
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: to worry about other things.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: World hunger. Danny, this is Danny and desperate, um, housewives.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Look how cute he was. Um, Okay, some news. Ariana
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Maddox from Vanderpump Rules and Love Island and Chicago is
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: heading back to Broadway in a play called Just In Time.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: She'll be there from September to November. So she legit
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: is working. And then Whitney from Secret Lives of Mormon
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Wives is, I think, going back to Chicago. I don't
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: understand this red, curly 80s hair, but... I think it's pretty.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: She looks pretty. Self is kind of weird.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: So she's working. She's a reality star who's working. Then
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow is doing a follow-up hit song to Baby Gorgeous.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: It's called Echoes of You. And I really love it.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm just blown away by everybody that just loves
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: my music. You're so baby gorgeous. You're just it. You're
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: just baby gorgeous.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: What? Meredith's a DJ.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Meredith is a DJ and sells caviar.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Wait, did you see Cynthia and Bailey's song?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Yep, right here. Cynthia has The Peach Life.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: I got to tell you.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: And it's a good hit.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: That's a good one.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: And listen, I am going to ask any music producer
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: that would like to get together with me. I can just,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: you know, we can help with lyrics. We can just whatever.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: I can sing, and you don't even really have to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: do auto-tune on my voice. Mm-hmm. And I would like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: a bop. Like, I want a bop like that.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: I think it's a great idea.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: And so let's get together.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: If you do a music video, I would love to
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: be involved. I'll just play the triangle. Okay.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, good.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, let's do it. Let's do it all. So
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: come to me. But yeah, they played it at the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: reunion of Real House of Atlanta.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: But you know what I love about that clip? They
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: were all excited for her.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: They were excited.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: They actually thought it was good.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: It was really sweet.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: And her ex-husband, what a piece of shit.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: He was on, was he on King?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Carlos King? Yeah, he was with Carlos King. And the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: new girlfriend, right?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: And the new girlfriend was subjected to having to sit
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: on his lap.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Very weird.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: And then he did another interview where he was angry,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: talking about some piece of property he had that he
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: asked Cynthia to buy for him while he went to prison.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: And then that way, when he came back, he could
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: buy her out. And it was so confusing. And he, again,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: like a Jax, he thinks by telling this, first of all, nobody...
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: is going to listen to this that doesn't watch Housewives.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: And anyone who watched Housewives knows that you're a piece
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: of shit. They're not going to suddenly be like, yeah,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: you know what? Like you, again, got into some snafu,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, shady shit with a restaurant and taxes
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: and money. And you, you know, had to go away. Like,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: it's just like not a big deal. And no, no. Like,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: no to you, Papa Smurf. Remember she used to call
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: him Papa Smurf?
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: The father of Noel. Still one of the hottest guys
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: ever from the Madonna video.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: He played Black Jesus. So cute.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: So cute.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Now, what is going on with the L.A. Next Gen?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: I thought she was supposed to be on it, Cynthia's daughter.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: I didn't see her name, but I saw.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: I thought the Dubrow son was supposed to be on it.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. One of the Umansky girls.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: I don't remember who else.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: What happened to the show?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: I think it's coming out.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, they filmed it and it really all happened?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it went to focus groups. And then
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I think it'll come out soon.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Brooke Nader went on a European trip. She is a model.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: That you just like hear those names and you're like,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I don't really know why she's famous. I don't know
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: what it is. But then she had like a TV
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: show with her sisters. It's a reality show. It's coming out.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: And she made sure the paparazzi took photos of her
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: topless in Europe, which you can do in Europe. And
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: she is on a private yacht. But then they got
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: a photo of her dad. What? Yeah.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: That is her dad.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: No, please stop.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: That is her dad.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Wait, stop. Wait, what?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: That's her dad looking at her naked boobs on like
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: a little tinder boat.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Wait, are we sure?
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Huh? This is what I think happened.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: I think this was all planned. They had the photos taken.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: They're probably currently filming the show. And this will be
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: a whole thing.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: A whole story.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: So please use it. Please use us being shocked. On
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the Brooke Nader show.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Listen, topless on a boat, you can do. Topless on
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: a beach, you can do. I get it. It's Europe.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Some people don't care about a nipple. I've been in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: that situation, and my friend was like, are you mad?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not mad.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, taking a top off?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: But inside, I am uncomfortable. And I'm not mad at you.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: You have every right to do it. It's your boat.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: You have a good body. This is what you want
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: to do. It's your vacation. But I can't, it's not
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: your fault that I feel uncomfortable, but I do feel,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: I am, I don't like it. I'm uncomfortable with just
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: tits out, boobs out, naked boobs, like with other people around.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Like it's one thing if we're just like trying on
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: clothes and my friend takes off her top, like we're
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: trying clothes, but like other people around, like having a drink,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: it is a little, it's a little hard. It just
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: was uncomfortable for me. I didn't love it. I didn't
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: love the day. Yeah.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: Well, it's different. It's a totally different culture.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I know. But I can admit that it's like made
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: me uncomfortable. And if that makes me like a prude
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever, that's fine. I'm not saying she shouldn't do it.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: And I just remember my dad used to be like.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Like when parents would be like, oh, please, like I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: wiped your ass. You're like, that doesn't help. That doesn't
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: help that I'm feeling weird now that I've gone through
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: puberty and you're my parent.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of this is the family that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: you grew up in because we probably grew up extremely similar.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: My mom is like, you know, an Irish Catholic born
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: into a family of Irish Catholics. I saw her boobs
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: one time as a child and it was the scariest
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: thing I'd ever seen in my life. Pre- reduction surgery,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: it really affected me. Doors locked when you take a shower.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: I did not grow up around that, although I have
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: friends that are very open and free, and I think
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: they were just raised in homes where that was just work.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, I just realized what a complete and total hypocrite
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: I am, okay? Because I'm saying, how can you just
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: have your tits out and your dad, whatever? So when
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: I gave birth... The.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Dad thinks a little bit much.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, when I gave birth to Drake... I was like, yeah,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: mom and dad can come in the room.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: No, I've had 10 people in the room.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: But they were not, they were watching like the crotch.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: I had 10 girlfriends watch a baby come out.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, but do you think it's weird that I let
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: my dad? I just felt like it was very medical.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: No, it's medical.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, well, he's never seen
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: this before. Like he wasn't in the room for my mom.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: He wasn't in the room for my sister. And I
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah. The next time, I don't think anybody
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to come, quite honestly. Nobody was like, yeah, let
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: me get up. They're like, we're good. We're good. But
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I look back and I think that's weird.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: And then also, we filmed it from the crotch.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: That part is weird. And that Peter showed it is weird.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: And I was like, don't you guys want to see
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: it to people? I think that's very weird. I would
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: say I'm fucking weird.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: I think it's weird that he's joyful in the picture
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: there could have something else could have happened i.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Don't know i don't know a fish could have hopped
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: out of the water and and he could have been
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: laughing about the fish.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: And my initial reaction is with her zoink yeah wowza
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: what's happening here.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah um yeah so there you go um ryan
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: lockie who was like ryan lockie seems like the He
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: was the cutest, dumbest Olympic swimmer we've ever had. And
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: his cute dumbness made him like a reality star and stuff.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: And then remember there was that whole thing where he
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: like got in trouble during one of the Olympics? Yes.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: What was that story?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: I don't remember, but he's just annoying.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: He like stole something?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: He's weird.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: He did some weird thing. Anyway, he just keeps showing
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: up and he's always like, okay, I'm going to tell
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: you the real me now. And everyone's like, no one cares. Anyway,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: he got this wife and then she went on People
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: and did an interview kind of like Britney. They're just
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: doing a series of like, tell us about your fucking
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: horrible ex. And so then she sits down and she
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: tells a story of how she found out that like
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: her best friend was seeing her husband. And she then
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: called her best friend and she goes and the friend
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: was like exactly like kind of Rachel Raquel with Ariana
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: like How are things going with you guys? I'm always
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: here for you. I'm sorry you're going through trouble. And
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: the whole time she's seeing Ryan Lockey. So then Ryan
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Lockey's wife calls the best friend and the girl's like, hey, girl.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: And she says, you desperate piece of shit. And she goes, what?
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: And she goes, if you don't know what I'm talking about,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: then you really are dumber. I hope she said, then
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: you really are dumber than Ryan Lockey. But I think
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: she said, then you really are dumber than even I
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: think you are.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: And she's like, well, anyway, they're together now.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: Great. Live it up, girl.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: This girl, Daisy De La Hoya.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: She was a top reality star in the VH1 days.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: She was one of the contestants with Bret Michaels' Rock
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: of Love. She went on to have her own show,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Daisy in Love, which was like all these, they were
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: all like mini, like a knockoff of The Bachelor, where
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: they'd go on separate dates and do group things and
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: The people would start to hate each other that liked her.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: I think I wrote back and forth to her because
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: I covered that show and I feel like she's really nice.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Well, she said she's been struggling to find work. She
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: still looks pretty. Yeah. And she said, I've applied to
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: McDonald's twice to work at McDonald's. And, you know, whatever,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with working at McDonald's. You don't have any
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: other skills.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Uh, maybe, maybe she knew this
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: would be a headline and this will approach her people
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: to say like, Hey, come on my podcast. I don't know.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: I don't really. care to catch up with her. Do you?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: Well, not now, but back in the day, I did
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: this interview with the creator of Rock of Love. And
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: the thing that made me laugh so hard was he
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: said they had to teach him how to date because
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: he always had groupies who, Bret Michaels. So they were like,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: you have to ask them, what's your name? Where are
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: you from?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Do you know that whole time he had, like, a
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: wife or a girlfriend? I'm sure. Who was, like, fine. Like, no,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: the whole time he had a partner. Like, he was
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: together with the woman. Well, not only that, he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Know how to talk to people because he had a
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: groupie come to the door all the time. He was like, oh, like,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: what's your name? Like, he didn't know how to do
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  Speaker 3: any of that.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Well, you don't have to try. You don't have
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: to pursue anyone.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you never have to pursue anyone. That's so interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, it is crazy when you think of those shows
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  Speaker 1: that were such a big hit. There weren't that many.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: They were so famous. They were in the tabloids all
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember when Verne Troyer peed on Surreal Life?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Yes. And he rolled off the bed like a baby
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: that you would have to send to the hospital for
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: I had trauma.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody got along so great on those shows. And
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: they became great friends. Flavor Flavin, Brigitte Nielsen.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: But those shows, the thing is, because social media wasn't there,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: there wasn't this other opportunity of getting brand deals, becoming
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: an influencer, making appearances, doing music, being a DJ, selling caviar,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Vicky's Vodka, Vicky's Diamonds. None of that was really there.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: And so then they'd get on the next show. And
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: then that's kind of it.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, but it was like just such a famous,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: such a famous thing. And it was like, and I'm
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: sure they're going to, and those people get paid nothing.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: To this day, the people on The Bachelor and The
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Bachelorette do not get paid for anything. I'm like, how
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: do you cover your rent? Like if you're going to
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: go be on The Bachelor and you're like, so you
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: have to leave whatever job you have. And then you're like, okay,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: maybe I'll be back in a week. Maybe I'll be
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: back in six weeks. Okay, well, where's the rent for
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: this place? They don't even give them like a stipend.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I would think that every single contestant, like no matter
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: whether you stay one week or not, or I always
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: think any reality show, you should be paid the longer
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: you stay. Because that's the motivation. whether it's a special
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: forces dancing with the stars or even a bachelor where
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: you're like, cause you might get there and go, um,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I don't like this guy and his weird chompers and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not into him at all. Okay. I want to
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: go back to my beautiful home. Like I'm going to
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: just say absolutely not. And I, or I'm gonna say,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to accept this rose. Right.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: But if you know that every week you stay, you're
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: going to bank 5k. You're like, yeah, let me see
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: if I can make this work. Like for such little money.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I think they would have such a better show. I
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: wonder what the, do you know, you've interviewed so many people.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Do you understand the philosophy about not paying these people?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I just think they don't actually have these big
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: budgets that you think they do. I mean, you see
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: the show on, on when it airs and they're going
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: on helicopter rides and all of a sudden all of
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: that stuff is given to them for free for promotion.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: They're just, they don't have the budgets.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: 25 contestants.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: And by the way, they're unknowns. They're plucked from obscurity.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: Then you say, oh, well, you don't really have any
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: previous TV experience. So we're going to pay you in
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: four waffles. And then you should be grateful because look
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: at the big stars that have come out of this show.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: And it is what it is.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Your show, Reality Life with Kate Casey, you cover all
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: these fun things. But you also cover very interesting documentaries.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: You interview people. the producers, the stars of a, what
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: are some hot things you have coming on your show? Okay.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: Forensic psychiatrist who specializes in maternal filicide cases, talking about
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: the Lindsay Clancy trial and specifically what is postpartum psychosis?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: Because I see a lot of chatter online. Well, she
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: texts him, pick up the hot chocolate. So that just
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: shows you she doesn't have postpartum psychosis. Most people don't
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: even understand it. So that's a good one. Um, I've
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: got some great docs. Here are two ones that I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: think that you may be interested in. One is called Abandoned.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: It's on Hulu. Three children are dropped off at a
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: train station in France, or excuse me, in Barcelona, but
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: they only speak French. And they said, my father's friend, Denis,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: told us he was going to get candy and he
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: never came back. They're just left there at the train station.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: And so they take them into like child services. Eventually
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: a couple adopts them who had happened to have three miscarriages.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: So they adopt these three kids. And where we pick
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: up in the documentary is the daughter of the three
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: has her own child. And she's like, I have to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: find out what happened to my parents. So it's her
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: exploration of like, why did we get dropped off? Who
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: are our parents? Very good. The other one, it's on Netflix.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: It's called The Accidental Twins. So a woman's working in
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: an office in Colombia, and she goes into the country
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: over the weekend. And she's like, that guy looks just
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: like my coworker. So she's waving to him. It's at
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: a butcher. She's waving to him, and he's just sort
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: of like, hey, weirdo. And then the next week, she
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: goes back to her office that next week and said,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: I saw you at the butcher. And the guy's like,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: what are you talking about? I don't work there. She said,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: this man looks exactly like you. It's so crazy. So
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: she goes back. And she approaches him and says, I
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: have a coworker that looks exactly like you. She finds
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: out his name. She goes back to the office and says,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: this is his name. You have to see him on
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: social media. It looks just like you. So her coworker,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: who is a twin, looks at this man's Facebook and
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: starts looking through the album. And he's also a twin.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: And that twin looks exactly like his twin.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: So wait, what the fuck is it?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: They were switched at the hospital. So, you know, they
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: switched at birth stories. So wait, you have a set
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: of twins.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: They were identical twins, but then they went home with
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: another baby that wasn't really their twin.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: And when you look at the picture, you're sort of like, oh.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: And so then they went home and they're like, oh,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: our babies are.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: They were born a day apart. And the first set
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: of twins had a child that was sick. They were
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: born in the country. So they had to go into
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: the city and it was at the city hospital. The
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: next day, the other twins are born. Something happened in
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: the hospital, and one of the twin in each family
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: got switched by accident. So imagine finding out you have
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: a twin.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: So the guy thought the twin he grew up with
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: wasn't even his brother.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: No, he thought he was like a fraternal brother.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Right, but in reality, they weren't even related.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: In reality, he has a twin brother that is an
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: identical twin. That grew up somewhere else. So he grew
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: up thinking he was a fraternal twin.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: He was actually an identical twin.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: That is amazing. I definitely want to see that one.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: And where can they follow you?
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you have to go to katecasey.substack.com where you
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: get the weekly list of what to watch. And then
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: you can find me on socials, Instagram, at katecaseyca, TikTok,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: it's katecasey. Reality Life with Kate Casey Facebook group. But
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: really go to that what to watch list and you'll
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: get a whole list. I love it because you always
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: know what to see.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you, everybody. And go to HeatherMcDowell.net to check out
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: my dates, get those tickets for my shows coming up
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: and everything else. And join my Patreon at HeatherMcDowell.net too.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Bye.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: click and collect.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: So easy.
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  Speaker 5: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.