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Awakening is Not the End of the Story: Living as the Radiance of the Absolute · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  dialogue
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  17
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  of
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  the
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  Wisdom
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  series
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  with
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  the
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  great
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  sage
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas,
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  aka
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  Hameed
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  Ali,
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  where
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  we
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  discuss
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  that
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  realization
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  of
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  the
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  Absolute
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  is
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  not
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  the
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  end
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  of
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  the
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  story.
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  The
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  journey
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  continues
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  with
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  the
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  journey
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  of
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  descent,
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  bringing
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  it
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  world.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  Self,
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  society,
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  spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cloud,
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  And
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  today
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  we
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  are
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  continuing
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  our
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas
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  Wisdom
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  series
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  in
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  which
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  we
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  are
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  dialoguing
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  with
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  Hameed
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  Ali,
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  whose
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  pen
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  name
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  is
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas,
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  and
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  working
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  our
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  way
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  systematically
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  through
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  an
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  overview
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  of
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  his
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  his
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  work,
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  his
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  creation
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  manifested
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  as
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  the
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  diamond
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  approach
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  teaching.
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  We
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  are
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  specifically
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  working
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  our
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  way
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  through
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  his
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  central
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  text.
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  Although
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  he
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  has
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  so
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  many
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  texts,
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  I
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  hesitate
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  to
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  call
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  it
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  central,
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  but
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  in
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  many
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  ways
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  it
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  is
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  the
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  inner
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  journey,
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  home
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  soul's
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  realization
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  of
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  the
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  unity
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  of
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  reality.
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  And
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  today
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  we're
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  at
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  a
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  transition
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  point
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  or
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  a
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  turning
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  point
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  because
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  in
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  our
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  previous
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  dialogues
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  we've
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  systematically
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  worked
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  through
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  the
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  earlier
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  chapters
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  in
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  the
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  book
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  in
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  which
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  Hameed
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  lays
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  out
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  the
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  psychological
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  work
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  which
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  is
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  a
• 1:32
  foundation
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  or
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  spiritual
• 1:34
  practice
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  which
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  catalyzes,
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  enables,
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  deeper
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  realization.
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  And
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  then
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  we
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  work
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  through,
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  systematically
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  through
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  what
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  Hameed
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  calls
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  the
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  journey
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  of
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  ascent,
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  that
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  is
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  the
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  spiritual
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  path
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  of
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  increasing
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  subtlety
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  discernment
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  into
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  increasingly
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  subtle
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  layers
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  of
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  first
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  the
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  psyche
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  or
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  the
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  soul
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  and
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  the
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  qualities
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  and
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  spiritual
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  capacities
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  that
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  become
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  available.
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  And
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  then
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  exploring
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  the.
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  What
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  Hameed
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  calls
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  the
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  boundless
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  dimensions,
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  those
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  the
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  dimensions
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  of
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  the
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  ground
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  of
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  our
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  fundamental
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  or
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  true
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  nature,
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  dimensions
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  such
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  as
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  boundless
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  love
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  or.
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  Or
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  presence,
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  and
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  finally
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  the
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  absolute,
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  and
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  culminating
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  in
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  a
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  realization
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  of
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  the
• 2:29
  absolute
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  that
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  is
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  the
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  fundamental
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  ground
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  of
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  not
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  only
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  our
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  true
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  nature,
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  but
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  of
• 2:35
  existence,
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  of
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  reality.
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  And
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  that's
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  a
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  path
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  that's
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  laid
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  out
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  in
• 2:39
  various
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  ways
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  in
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  the
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  world's
• 2:40
  spiritual
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  traditions.
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  But
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  Hameed
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  is
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  not
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  unique,
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  but
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  in
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  pointing
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  to
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  something
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  beyond
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  that,
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  but
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  is
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  unique
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  as
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  far
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  as
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  I
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  can
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  tell,
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  in
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  providing
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  an
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  extraordinarily
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  rich
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  account
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  of
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  the
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  possibilities
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  of
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  what
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  comes
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  after
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  awakening
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  and
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  realization,
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  even
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  realization
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  of
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  the
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  very
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  deepest
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  kinds.
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  So
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  now
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  we
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  begin
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  what
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  Hameed
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  calls
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  the
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  path
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  of
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  descent,
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  that
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  is
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  of
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  retaining
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  awareness
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  that
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  came
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  with
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  the
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  realization,
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  retaining
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  the
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  experience
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  of
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  the
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  absolute,
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  the
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  most
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  found
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  dimensions
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  of
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  reality,
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  but
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  bring
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  that
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  increasingly
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  into
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  life
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  until
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  we
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  are
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  able
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  to
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  embody
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  and
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  express
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  it
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  throughout
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  every
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  facet
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  of
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  our
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  being
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  and
• 3:30
  our
• 3:31
  life
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  and
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  our
• 3:31
  relationships
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  and
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  work.
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  It's
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  a
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  very,
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  very
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  profound
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  aspect
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  of
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  the
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  path
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  that
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  Mead
• 3:37
  lays
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  out
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  with
• 3:38
  a
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  systematicity
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  that
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  I've
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  seen
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  nowhere
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  else.
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  Gosh,
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  maybe
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  I've
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  said
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  Enough
• 3:42
  amid.
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  Maybe
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  you'd
• 3:44
  like
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  to
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  just
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  respond
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  to
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  that.
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  I
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  think
• 3:47
  you
• 3:48
  said
• 3:48
  it
• 3:48
  in
• 3:48
  a
• 3:49
  good
• 3:49
  and
• 3:49
  somewhat
• 3:50
  complete
• 3:50
  way.
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  Roger.
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  Yeah.
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  Could
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  culminate
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  in
• 3:56
  what
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  we
• 3:56
  call
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  a
• 3:57
  non
• 3:57
  dual
• 3:58
  view
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  of
• 3:59
  reality
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  or
• 4:01
  experience.
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  But
• 4:03
  I
• 4:03
  go
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  in
• 4:04
  detail
• 4:05
  both
• 4:05
  in
• 4:07
  the
• 4:07
  past
• 4:08
  towards
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  non
• 4:09
  duality
• 4:10
  and
• 4:11
  the
• 4:11
  worldview.
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  And
• 4:12
  then
• 4:12
  great
• 4:13
  detail
• 4:13
  what
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  non
• 4:14
  dual
• 4:15
  view
• 4:15
  is
• 4:15
  like
• 4:17
  that
• 4:18
  it
• 4:18
  is
• 4:18
  cartitude,
• 4:19
  but
• 4:19
  different
• 4:20
  dimensions,
• 4:20
  not
• 4:21
  just
• 4:21
  consciousness.
• 4:22
  And
• 4:22
  that's
• 4:22
  it.
• 4:22
  It
• 4:23
  is
• 4:23
  much
• 4:23
  more
• 4:24
  rich
• 4:25
  than
• 4:25
  that,
• 4:26
  more
• 4:26
  interesting.
• 4:27
  And
• 4:29
  the
• 4:30
  variation
• 4:30
  in
• 4:31
  it,
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  details
• 4:32
  in
• 4:32
  it,
• 4:33
  helps
• 4:34
  us
• 4:34
  understand
• 4:36
  our
• 4:36
  everyday
• 4:37
  experience
• 4:37
  because
• 4:38
  it
• 4:38
  has
• 4:38
  in
• 4:39
  it
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  basis
• 4:39
  of
• 4:40
  all
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  capacities
• 4:42
  and
• 4:42
  the
• 4:42
  facet
• 4:42
  of
• 4:43
  life.
• 4:44
  So
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  path
• 4:46
  is
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  beginning.
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  call
• 4:47
  the
• 4:48
  journey
• 4:48
  of
• 4:48
  ascent
• 4:48
  and
• 4:49
  descent.
• 4:50
  Ascent,
• 4:51
  meaning
• 4:53
  while
• 4:53
  you
• 4:54
  described
• 4:54
  it
• 4:54
  as
• 4:55
  a
• 4:55
  matter
• 4:55
  of
• 4:55
  going
• 4:56
  as
• 4:56
  deep
• 4:57
  as
• 4:57
  possible
• 4:59
  in
• 4:59
  what
• 4:59
  we
• 4:59
  are,
• 5:00
  what
• 5:00
  reality
• 5:01
  is.
• 5:03
  And
• 5:03
  then
• 5:05
  I
• 5:06
  call
• 5:06
  that
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  path
• 5:06
  of
• 5:07
  realization.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:08
  then
• 5:08
  you
• 5:08
  contrast
• 5:09
  that
• 5:09
  with
• 5:09
  actualization,
• 5:10
  how
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  bring
• 5:11
  that
• 5:11
  to
• 5:11
  life,
• 5:11
  how
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  live
• 5:12
  it.
• 5:13
  Actualization
• 5:14
  happened
• 5:15
  each
• 5:17
  step.
• 5:17
  Actually
• 5:17
  each
• 5:18
  time
• 5:18
  we
• 5:18
  realize
• 5:19
  something,
• 5:20
  we
• 5:20
  need
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  learn
• 5:21
  how
• 5:21
  to
• 5:22
  live
• 5:22
  it
• 5:22
  in
• 5:22
  the
• 5:22
  world.
• 5:23
  Otherwise
• 5:24
  it's
• 5:24
  not
• 5:24
  completely
• 5:25
  integrated.
• 5:27
  However,
• 5:28
  what
• 5:28
  we
• 5:29
  call
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  path
• 5:29
  of
• 5:30
  descent
• 5:31
  shows
• 5:31
  how
• 5:33
  the
• 5:34
  reality
• 5:34
  itself,
• 5:35
  or
• 5:35
  spiritual
• 5:36
  nature,
• 5:36
  true
• 5:36
  nature,
• 5:37
  how
• 5:38
  it
• 5:38
  manifests,
• 5:39
  how
• 5:39
  it
• 5:39
  continues
• 5:39
  to
• 5:40
  manifest.
• 5:40
  Different
• 5:40
  dimension
• 5:42
  already
• 5:43
  points
• 5:43
  to
• 5:43
  actualization,
• 5:45
  that
• 5:45
  it
• 5:45
  is
• 5:46
  inherent,
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  true
• 5:47
  nature
• 5:48
  for
• 5:48
  it
• 5:48
  to
• 5:48
  be
• 5:49
  lived
• 5:49
  in
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  world.
• 5:51
  And
• 5:51
  it
• 5:51
  is
• 5:52
  sort
• 5:52
  of
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  way
• 5:53
  it
• 5:53
  manifests,
• 5:53
  the
• 5:54
  way
• 5:54
  it
• 5:54
  expresses
• 5:55
  itself,
• 5:56
  shows
• 5:57
  us
• 5:57
  that
• 5:58
  it's
• 5:58
  not
• 5:58
  just
• 5:58
  for
• 5:59
  us
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  know
• 5:59
  it,
• 6:00
  but
• 6:00
  to
• 6:00
  live
• 6:00
  it.
• 6:02
  So
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  guidance
• 6:03
  that
• 6:04
  is
• 6:04
  in
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  way
• 6:05
  the
• 6:06
  experiences
• 6:06
  emerge,
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  different
• 6:08
  dimensions
• 6:09
  of
• 6:09
  reality
• 6:10
  appear.
• 6:11
  Yeah.
• 6:11
  Hameed,
• 6:12
  you
• 6:12
  said
• 6:12
  that
• 6:13
  the
• 6:13
  realization
• 6:13
  of
• 6:14
  absolute
• 6:14
  true
• 6:14
  nature
• 6:15
  is
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  end
• 6:16
  of
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  search,
• 6:17
  but
• 6:18
  it's
• 6:18
  not
• 6:18
  the
• 6:18
  end
• 6:18
  of
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  journey.
• 6:19
  And
• 6:19
  a
• 6:19
  lot
• 6:20
  of
• 6:20
  traditions
• 6:20
  keep
• 6:20
  you,
• 6:20
  you
• 6:21
  know,
• 6:21
  once
• 6:21
  you
• 6:21
  have
• 6:21
  that,
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  know,
• 6:22
  you're
• 6:22
  done,
• 6:22
  you're
• 6:23
  good,
• 6:23
  you're
• 6:23
  one
• 6:23
  with
• 6:24
  God,
• 6:24
  or
• 6:24
  you're
• 6:24
  nirvana,
• 6:25
  you're
• 6:26
  self
• 6:26
  realized.
• 6:27
  But
• 6:27
  for
• 6:28
  you,
• 6:28
  that
• 6:28
  is
• 6:28
  not.
• 6:29
  That's
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  end
• 6:29
  of
• 6:29
  the
• 6:30
  search
• 6:30
  for
• 6:30
  God,
• 6:30
  if
• 6:30
  you
• 6:31
  will,
• 6:31
  the
• 6:31
  end
• 6:31
  of
• 6:31
  search
• 6:31
  for.
• 6:32
  For
• 6:32
  the
• 6:32
  ultimate.
• 6:32
  But
• 6:33
  it's
• 6:33
  not
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  end
• 6:34
  of
• 6:34
  the
• 6:34
  journey.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:34
  it's
• 6:34
  all
• 6:35
  about
• 6:35
  bringing
• 6:35
  it,
• 6:36
  manifesting
• 6:36
  it,
• 6:37
  the
• 6:38
  transcendence
• 6:39
  into.
• 6:40
  Into
• 6:40
  the
• 6:40
  world,
• 6:41
  incarnating
• 6:41
  it,
• 6:41
  if
• 6:42
  you
• 6:42
  will.
• 6:42
  Yeah,
• 6:43
  you
• 6:43
  have.
• 6:44
  You
• 6:44
  need
• 6:44
  to
• 6:44
  remember
• 6:45
  that
• 6:46
  one
• 6:46
  important
• 6:47
  principle
• 6:48
  in
• 6:49
  this
• 6:49
  path
• 6:50
  is
• 6:50
  what
• 6:51
  I
• 6:51
  call
• 6:52
  being
• 6:52
  in
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  world
• 6:53
  and
• 6:53
  not
• 6:53
  of
• 6:54
  it.
• 6:54
  Meaning
• 6:55
  recognize
• 6:56
  I'm
• 6:56
  not
• 6:56
  of
• 6:56
  this
• 6:57
  world,
• 6:57
  not
• 6:58
  part
• 6:58
  of
• 6:59
  every
• 7:00
  day
• 7:00
  of
• 7:00
  this
• 7:01
  course
• 7:01
  of
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  physical
• 7:02
  world.
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  am
• 7:02
  beyond
• 7:03
  it.
• 7:03
  I'm
• 7:03
  spiritual,
• 7:05
  transcendent
• 7:05
  dimension.
• 7:07
  I
• 7:07
  am
• 7:07
  in
• 7:08
  the
• 7:08
  World
• 7:08
  I
• 7:09
  live
• 7:09
  that
• 7:09
  in
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  world.
• 7:11
  Being
• 7:11
  in
• 7:11
  the
• 7:11
  world
• 7:12
  is
• 7:12
  an
• 7:12
  important
• 7:12
  part
• 7:13
  of
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  path.
• 7:14
  And
• 7:14
  what
• 7:15
  I'm
• 7:15
  seeing
• 7:15
  is
• 7:16
  not
• 7:16
  just
• 7:16
  my
• 7:16
  idea
• 7:17
  that
• 7:17
  we
• 7:18
  supposed
• 7:18
  to
• 7:18
  live
• 7:18
  within
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  world.
• 7:20
  Many
• 7:20
  teaching
• 7:21
  habits
• 7:21
  not
• 7:21
  unique
• 7:22
  in
• 7:22
  that
• 7:22
  approach,
• 7:23
  but
• 7:23
  in
• 7:23
  that
• 7:23
  approach,
• 7:24
  the
• 7:25
  way
• 7:26
  spiritual
• 7:26
  experience
• 7:27
  manifests
• 7:28
  in
• 7:28
  its
• 7:28
  own
• 7:29
  through
• 7:29
  own
• 7:29
  intelligence
• 7:31
  shows
• 7:31
  us
• 7:31
  that's
• 7:32
  what's
• 7:32
  supposed
• 7:32
  to
• 7:32
  happen.
• 7:33
  So
• 7:34
  which
• 7:34
  is
• 7:35
  different
• 7:35
  from
• 7:35
  the
• 7:36
  Indian
• 7:36
  perspective?
• 7:37
  Indian
• 7:37
  perspective,
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  get
• 7:39
  realized
• 7:39
  to
• 7:40
  get
• 7:40
  the
• 7:40
  hell
• 7:40
  out
• 7:40
  of
• 7:41
  here.
• 7:42
  You
• 7:42
  see,
• 7:43
  you
• 7:43
  want
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  be
• 7:44
  free.
• 7:44
  Finish
• 7:45
  with
• 7:45
  life
• 7:46
  here
• 7:46
  in
• 7:47
  this
• 7:47
  path
• 7:47
  shows
• 7:48
  no,
• 7:48
  the
• 7:49
  realization
• 7:49
  is
• 7:50
  to
• 7:50
  be
• 7:50
  able
• 7:50
  to
• 7:50
  complete
• 7:51
  life,
• 7:52
  which
• 7:53
  we
• 7:53
  find
• 7:53
  of
• 7:53
  course
• 7:54
  in
• 7:54
  Christian
• 7:55
  mysticism
• 7:55
  and
• 7:56
  the
• 7:56
  Kabbalah,
• 7:58
  is
• 7:59
  to
• 7:59
  complete
• 7:59
  life.
• 8:00
  In
• 8:00
  fact,
• 8:00
  they
• 8:00
  say
• 8:00
  it
• 8:00
  as
• 8:01
  completing
• 8:01
  creation.
• 8:02
  But
• 8:02
  I
• 8:02
  think
• 8:03
  with
• 8:03
  us
• 8:03
  completing
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  journey
• 8:04
  is
• 8:05
  to
• 8:06
  realize
• 8:07
  true
• 8:07
  nature.
• 8:08
  For
• 8:08
  true
• 8:09
  nature
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  live
• 8:09
  in
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  world,
• 8:11
  God
• 8:12
  needs
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  walk
• 8:12
  on
• 8:12
  earth,
• 8:14
  wants
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  walk
• 8:14
  on
• 8:15
  earth,
• 8:15
  doesn't
• 8:16
  just
• 8:16
  want
• 8:16
  to
• 8:16
  create
• 8:16
  the
• 8:17
  world.
• 8:17
  And
• 8:18
  Hameed,
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  last
• 8:19
  time
• 8:19
  you
• 8:19
  mentioned
• 8:19
  that
• 8:20
  you
• 8:20
  had
• 8:20
  this
• 8:21
  experience
• 8:22
  of
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  Absolute
• 8:23
  while
• 8:23
  you're
• 8:23
  teaching
• 8:23
  a
• 8:24
  group
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  students,
• 8:24
  what
• 8:24
  I
• 8:25
  thought
• 8:25
  was
• 8:25
  fascinating.
• 8:26
  And
• 8:26
  then
• 8:26
  you
• 8:26
  mentioned
• 8:27
  that
• 8:27
  you
• 8:27
  stayed
• 8:28
  in
• 8:28
  that
• 8:28
  non
• 8:29
  dual
• 8:29
  state
• 8:29
  for
• 8:30
  several
• 8:30
  years,
• 8:31
  right?
• 8:31
  And
• 8:32
  then
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  started
• 8:33
  coming
• 8:33
  back
• 8:33
  into
• 8:34
  the
• 8:34
  world.
• 8:34
  And
• 8:34
  my
• 8:34
  question
• 8:35
  was,
• 8:35
  well,
• 8:36
  what
• 8:36
  was
• 8:36
  that
• 8:36
  like
• 8:36
  walking
• 8:37
  around
• 8:37
  in
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  non
• 8:38
  dual
• 8:39
  aspect
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  whole
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  then
• 8:41
  beginning
• 8:41
  to
• 8:42
  descend?
• 8:42
  Were
• 8:43
  you
• 8:43
  aware
• 8:43
  when
• 8:44
  you
• 8:44
  were
• 8:44
  beginning
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  descend
• 8:45
  of
• 8:45
  what
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  process
• 8:46
  was
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  what
• 8:46
  you
• 8:46
  were
• 8:46
  doing?
• 8:47
  Or
• 8:47
  did
• 8:47
  you
• 8:47
  have
• 8:48
  to
• 8:48
  think
• 8:48
  about
• 8:48
  it
• 8:48
  later
• 8:49
  and
• 8:49
  look
• 8:49
  back
• 8:49
  and
• 8:50
  say
• 8:50
  this
• 8:50
  is
• 8:50
  what
• 8:50
  was
• 8:50
  happening?
• 8:51
  Well,
• 8:51
  the
• 8:52
  meaning
• 8:52
  of
• 8:52
  it
• 8:53
  showed
• 8:53
  itself
• 8:53
  gradually.
• 8:54
  I
• 8:55
  didn't
• 8:55
  know
• 8:55
  it
• 8:55
  was
• 8:55
  happening.
• 8:56
  Exactly
• 8:57
  why
• 8:57
  those
• 8:58
  new
• 8:58
  dimensions
• 8:59
  were
• 8:59
  arising
• 9:00
  at
• 9:00
  the
• 9:00
  beginning.
• 9:02
  You
• 9:02
  know,
• 9:03
  as
• 9:04
  this
• 9:04
  chapter
• 9:05
  shows,
• 9:05
  the
• 9:06
  apex
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  the
• 9:07
  J
• 9:07
  ascent
• 9:08
  is
• 9:08
  what
• 9:08
  I
• 9:08
  call
• 9:09
  the
• 9:09
  absolute
• 9:09
  dimension,
• 9:11
  where
• 9:11
  the
• 9:11
  absolute
• 9:12
  is
• 9:12
  the
• 9:13
  ground,
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  source,
• 9:14
  the
• 9:14
  essence,
• 9:15
  the
• 9:15
  home,
• 9:16
  everything
• 9:17
  and
• 9:17
  everything
• 9:18
  which
• 9:19
  is
• 9:19
  complete
• 9:21
  mystery
• 9:21
  and
• 9:21
  paradoxical
• 9:23
  nature
• 9:23
  of
• 9:24
  being
• 9:24
  and
• 9:25
  unbeing,
• 9:25
  you
• 9:26
  know,
• 9:26
  present
• 9:26
  and
• 9:27
  absent.
• 9:28
  And
• 9:29
  how
• 9:29
  from
• 9:30
  there
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  whole
• 9:31
  world
• 9:32
  appear
• 9:32
  as
• 9:33
  transparent
• 9:34
  layer
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  light.
• 9:36
  That's
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  sort
• 9:37
  of
• 9:37
  what
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  call
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  absolute
• 9:38
  dimension.
• 9:39
  That
• 9:39
  after
• 9:40
  realizing
• 9:41
  what
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  absolute
• 9:42
  is,
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  absolute,
• 9:43
  what
• 9:43
  I
• 9:44
  call
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  third
• 9:44
  dimension,
• 9:45
  which
• 9:45
  all
• 9:46
  of
• 9:46
  reality
• 9:46
  appears
• 9:47
  as
• 9:48
  an
• 9:48
  expression
• 9:48
  of
• 9:48
  the
• 9:49
  absolute.
• 9:49
  Everything
• 9:49
  we
• 9:50
  know,
• 9:51
  all
• 9:51
  perception,
• 9:52
  all
• 9:54
  capacities,
• 9:55
  all
• 9:56
  other
• 9:56
  dimension
• 9:56
  we
• 9:57
  discussed
• 9:57
  before.
• 9:58
  And
• 9:58
  also
• 9:59
  everyday
• 9:59
  life
• 10:00
  and
• 10:00
  event
• 10:01
  of
• 10:01
  everyday
• 10:01
  life,
• 10:02
  the
• 10:02
  world
• 10:03
  and
• 10:03
  its
• 10:03
  form
• 10:04
  and
• 10:04
  object,
• 10:05
  how
• 10:05
  they
• 10:06
  all
• 10:06
  appear,
• 10:06
  they
• 10:07
  appear
• 10:08
  as
• 10:09
  like
• 10:10
  a
• 10:10
  hologramic
• 10:11
  tapestry
• 10:12
  of
• 10:12
  light,
• 10:12
  luminous
• 10:13
  radiance.
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  call
• 10:14
  the
• 10:15
  radiance
• 10:15
  of
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  Absolute.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:17
  that
• 10:17
  is
• 10:17
  sort
• 10:17
  of
• 10:18
  what
• 10:18
  I
• 10:18
  call
• 10:19
  the
• 10:19
  acme
• 10:19
  of
• 10:20
  the
• 10:20
  path
• 10:21
  of
• 10:21
  ascent,
• 10:23
  where
• 10:23
  it's
• 10:23
  completely
• 10:24
  transcendent
• 10:25
  absolutely
• 10:25
  shows
• 10:25
  itself.
• 10:26
  It's
• 10:26
  a
• 10:26
  true
• 10:27
  transcendent,
• 10:28
  transcending
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  world.
• 10:29
  And
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  world
• 10:29
  is
• 10:30
  there,
• 10:31
  however
• 10:31
  it
• 10:32
  is.
• 10:32
  The
• 10:33
  world
• 10:33
  is
• 10:33
  sort
• 10:33
  of
• 10:34
  an
• 10:34
  ephemeral
• 10:35
  expression
• 10:35
  of
• 10:37
  this
• 10:37
  mysterious,
• 10:39
  unbounded,
• 10:40
  infinite
• 10:41
  depth
• 10:41
  and
• 10:42
  extent
• 10:43
  and
• 10:43
  a
• 10:43
  sense
• 10:44
  of
• 10:44
  bliss
• 10:44
  and
• 10:45
  delight
• 10:46
  and
• 10:46
  satisfaction,
• 10:48
  feeling
• 10:48
  of
• 10:49
  contentment.
• 10:50
  And
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  end
• 10:51
  of
• 10:51
  the
• 10:52
  search
• 10:52
  in
• 10:52
  the
• 10:52
  sense
• 10:52
  that
• 10:53
  the
• 10:54
  energy
• 10:54
  of
• 10:54
  the
• 10:54
  cyst
• 10:55
  exhausted
• 10:56
  itself,
• 10:57
  finished
• 10:57
  itself,
• 10:59
  worked
• 10:59
  out
• 11:00
  because.
• 11:00
  And
• 11:01
  partly
• 11:01
  is
• 11:02
  recognition.
• 11:03
  I
• 11:03
  mean,
• 11:03
  it's
• 11:03
  an
• 11:03
  interesting
• 11:04
  thing.
• 11:04
  It's
• 11:04
  not
• 11:05
  like
• 11:05
  at
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  beginning,
• 11:07
  I
• 11:07
  or
• 11:07
  anybody
• 11:08
  else
• 11:08
  in
• 11:08
  Parks
• 11:09
  knows
• 11:10
  what
• 11:10
  they're
• 11:10
  going
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  get,
• 11:11
  what
• 11:11
  they're
• 11:11
  looking
• 11:11
  for.
• 11:12
  You
• 11:12
  don't
• 11:12
  know
• 11:13
  it
• 11:13
  till
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  see
• 11:13
  it,
• 11:13
  till
• 11:14
  you
• 11:14
  experience
• 11:14
  it.
• 11:14
  They
• 11:15
  say,
• 11:15
  oh,
• 11:16
  that's
• 11:16
  what
• 11:17
  you're
• 11:17
  searching
• 11:18
  for.
• 11:19
  You
• 11:19
  know,
• 11:19
  you're
• 11:19
  searching
• 11:20
  for
• 11:20
  something
• 11:20
  and
• 11:21
  talk
• 11:21
  about
• 11:22
  enlightenment
• 11:22
  or
• 11:23
  fulfillment
• 11:23
  or
• 11:24
  meaning
• 11:24
  or
• 11:24
  whatever,
• 11:25
  but
• 11:25
  you
• 11:25
  don't
• 11:25
  know
• 11:25
  what
• 11:26
  the
• 11:26
  hell
• 11:26
  that
• 11:26
  means.
• 11:28
  You
• 11:28
  know,
• 11:29
  you
• 11:29
  might
• 11:29
  have
• 11:30
  glimpses
• 11:30
  of
• 11:31
  spiritual
• 11:31
  nature
• 11:32
  or
• 11:32
  whatever,
• 11:32
  but
• 11:32
  you
• 11:32
  don't
• 11:33
  know
• 11:33
  what
• 11:33
  you
• 11:34
  feel
• 11:34
  is
• 11:35
  search
• 11:35
  at
• 11:35
  some
• 11:36
  point
• 11:36
  becomes.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  an
• 11:37
  intense
• 11:38
  endeavor
• 11:39
  becomes
• 11:39
  a
• 11:39
  primary
• 11:40
  endeavor
• 11:41
  in
• 11:41
  life
• 11:42
  and
• 11:42
  has
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  become
• 11:42
  the
• 11:43
  primary
• 11:43
  endeavor
• 11:44
  in
• 11:44
  life
• 11:44
  for
• 11:44
  it
• 11:45
  to
• 11:45
  fulfill
• 11:45
  itself,
• 11:47
  has
• 11:47
  to
• 11:47
  become
• 11:48
  to
• 11:48
  be
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  central
• 11:48
  element
• 11:50
  of
• 11:50
  living.
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  remember
• 11:51
  time
• 11:51
  when
• 11:52
  I
• 11:52
  didn't
• 11:53
  want
• 11:53
  to
• 11:53
  deal
• 11:54
  with
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  world.
• 11:55
  I
• 11:56
  didn't
• 11:56
  completely
• 11:56
  isolate.
• 11:57
  I
• 11:57
  didn't
• 11:58
  become
• 11:58
  like
• 11:59
  a
• 11:59
  gymnastic.
• 12:00
  But
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  spent
• 12:01
  a
• 12:01
  lot
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  time
• 12:02
  alone,
• 12:04
  inquiring,
• 12:04
  experiencing,
• 12:06
  writing
• 12:07
  and
• 12:08
  exploring.
• 12:09
  Because
• 12:10
  the
• 12:11
  dimension
• 12:11
  of
• 12:11
  the
• 12:12
  absolute,
• 12:13
  especially
• 12:15
  recognizing
• 12:16
  it,
• 12:16
  is
• 12:17
  not
• 12:17
  just
• 12:18
  light.
• 12:18
  It
• 12:18
  is
• 12:19
  black
• 12:19
  light,
• 12:20
  which
• 12:20
  is
• 12:21
  before
• 12:21
  light.
• 12:22
  It's
• 12:22
  luminous
• 12:23
  blackness,
• 12:24
  beautiful,
• 12:25
  luminous
• 12:26
  blackness.
• 12:27
  And
• 12:27
  the
• 12:27
  sense
• 12:28
  of
• 12:28
  it
• 12:28
  is
• 12:28
  mystery,
• 12:29
  home,
• 12:29
  intimacy
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  unknownness,
• 12:32
  blissful
• 12:33
  unknownness.
• 12:34
  Like
• 12:34
  I'm
• 12:34
  alone.
• 12:34
  I
• 12:35
  am
• 12:35
  just
• 12:35
  me
• 12:35
  by
• 12:36
  myself
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  nothing
• 12:37
  else.
• 12:38
  And
• 12:39
  not
• 12:39
  me
• 12:39
  as
• 12:40
  an
• 12:40
  individual,
• 12:40
  me
• 12:41
  as
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  absolute.
• 12:43
  And
• 12:43
  there
• 12:44
  are
• 12:44
  many
• 12:44
  recognition
• 12:46
  in
• 12:47
  this
• 12:47
  chapter,
• 12:47
  the
• 12:48
  chapter
• 12:48
  before
• 12:48
  it,
• 12:48
  I
• 12:49
  think,
• 12:49
  when
• 12:49
  we
• 12:49
  discuss
• 12:49
  the
• 12:50
  absolute,
• 12:51
  what's
• 12:52
  unlike.
• 12:52
  But
• 12:52
  I'm
• 12:53
  not
• 12:53
  talking
• 12:54
  not
• 12:54
  about
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  absolute,
• 12:55
  what
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  call
• 12:55
  absolute
• 12:55
  dimension,
• 12:56
  meaning
• 12:57
  how
• 12:57
  everything
• 12:58
  appears
• 12:58
  from
• 12:58
  within
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  absolute.
• 13:00
  Yeah,
• 13:01
  and
• 13:02
  of
• 13:02
  course
• 13:02
  this
• 13:02
  is
• 13:03
  your
• 13:03
  school,
• 13:03
  but
• 13:03
  you
• 13:03
  talk
• 13:03
  about
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  spiritual
• 13:04
  work
• 13:05
  is
• 13:05
  not
• 13:06
  just
• 13:06
  transcendence.
• 13:08
  It's
• 13:08
  the
• 13:09
  integration
• 13:10
  and
• 13:11
  which
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  universe,
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  soul,
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  personality
• 13:15
  and
• 13:17
  being,
• 13:17
  or
• 13:17
  God
• 13:19
  finally,
• 13:20
  or
• 13:20
  come
• 13:20
  together
• 13:21
  organically
• 13:22
  and
• 13:22
  into
• 13:23
  one
• 13:23
  thing.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:25
  a
• 13:25
  lot
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  the
• 13:25
  work
• 13:26
  in
• 13:26
  this
• 13:26
  descent
• 13:27
  journey
• 13:27
  is
• 13:27
  integrating
• 13:28
  and
• 13:28
  putting
• 13:28
  all
• 13:29
  this,
• 13:29
  these
• 13:29
  dimensions
• 13:30
  together
• 13:31
  into,
• 13:31
  like
• 13:31
  you
• 13:32
  said,
• 13:32
  God
• 13:32
  walking
• 13:33
  with
• 13:33
  two
• 13:33
  legs
• 13:34
  on
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  ground,
• 13:34
  on
• 13:35
  the
• 13:35
  earth.
• 13:35
  Yeah,
• 13:36
  I've
• 13:36
  had
• 13:37
  many
• 13:37
  perception
• 13:38
  experiences
• 13:39
  of
• 13:40
  being
• 13:40
  this
• 13:41
  vastness,
• 13:42
  walking
• 13:42
  into
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  street.
• 13:44
  And
• 13:44
  as
• 13:44
  I'm
• 13:45
  walking
• 13:45
  into
• 13:45
  the
• 13:46
  street,
• 13:47
  those
• 13:47
  street
• 13:47
  manifest
• 13:48
  in
• 13:48
  front
• 13:49
  of
• 13:49
  Me
• 13:49
  being
• 13:49
  created
• 13:50
  as
• 13:51
  I
• 13:51
  walk
• 13:51
  into
• 13:51
  it.
• 13:52
  I
• 13:52
  walk
• 13:52
  into
• 13:53
  my
• 13:53
  room,
• 13:53
  and
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  room
• 13:54
  is
• 13:54
  being
• 13:55
  manifesting
• 13:57
  as
• 13:57
  I
• 13:58
  manifest
• 13:58
  as
• 13:59
  an
• 13:59
  individual
• 13:59
  body
• 14:00
  within
• 14:00
  it.
• 14:01
  It's
• 14:02
  an
• 14:02
  interesting
• 14:02
  perception
• 14:03
  that
• 14:03
  happened
• 14:04
  like
• 14:04
  that.
• 14:04
  I
• 14:04
  mean,
• 14:05
  amazing.
• 14:05
  Magical.
• 14:06
  Yes.
• 14:06
  Like
• 14:08
  we're
• 14:08
  living
• 14:08
  in
• 14:09
  some
• 14:09
  other
• 14:10
  reality.
• 14:10
  You
• 14:10
  know,
• 14:12
  science
• 14:12
  fiction.
• 14:12
  Can't
• 14:13
  get
• 14:13
  there
• 14:14
  now.
• 14:15
  Yeah.
• 14:15
  Magical
• 14:16
  was
• 14:16
  the
• 14:16
  word
• 14:17
  that
• 14:17
  came
• 14:17
  to
• 14:17
  me.
• 14:18
  Yeah.
• 14:18
  Yeah.
• 14:19
  That's
• 14:19
  beautiful.
• 14:19
  As
• 14:19
  you.
• 14:20
  As
• 14:20
  you
• 14:21
  communicate
• 14:21
  that
• 14:22
  amid.
• 14:22
  It's
• 14:23
  also
• 14:23
  a
• 14:23
  transmission
• 14:24
  in
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  sense
• 14:24
  of.
• 14:25
  Obviously,
• 14:26
  my
• 14:26
  own
• 14:26
  experience
• 14:27
  is
• 14:27
  only
• 14:28
  an
• 14:28
  intimation
• 14:29
  and
• 14:29
  not.
• 14:29
  Not
• 14:29
  the
• 14:30
  fullness
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  what
• 14:30
  you're
• 14:31
  describing.
• 14:31
  It's
• 14:31
  like,
• 14:32
  oh,
• 14:32
  yeah,
• 14:34
  wow,
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  have.
• 14:35
  A
• 14:36
  sense
• 14:36
  of
• 14:36
  that.
• 14:36
  That's
• 14:37
  good.
• 14:37
  Yeah.
• 14:37
  Yeah.
• 14:38
  I'm
• 14:39
  trying
• 14:39
  to.
• 14:39
  I'm
• 14:39
  trying
• 14:39
  to
• 14:40
  hold
• 14:40
  back
• 14:40
  on
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  wows
• 14:41
  just
• 14:41
  because.
• 14:41
  I
• 14:41
  don't
• 14:41
  know.
• 14:42
  Just
• 14:42
  feels
• 14:42
  kind
• 14:43
  of
• 14:43
  silly.
• 14:43
  But.
• 14:43
  Yeah,
• 14:44
  Hameed.
• 14:45
  But
• 14:45
  you
• 14:45
  point
• 14:46
  out
• 14:46
  there's
• 14:46
  a.
• 14:47
  There's
• 14:48
  an
• 14:48
  initial
• 14:49
  challenge
• 14:50
  that
• 14:50
  comes
• 14:50
  with
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  descent,
• 14:52
  and
• 14:52
  that
• 14:52
  is
• 14:53
  you
• 14:54
  pointed
• 14:54
  out
• 14:54
  that
• 14:55
  your
• 14:55
  own
• 14:56
  understanding
• 14:56
  of
• 14:57
  what
• 14:57
  was
• 14:57
  going
• 14:57
  on
• 14:58
  emerged
• 14:58
  over
• 14:59
  time.
• 15:00
  And
• 15:00
  you
• 15:00
  point
• 15:01
  out
• 15:01
  that,
• 15:02
  you
• 15:02
  know,
• 15:02
  the
• 15:03
  soul
• 15:03
  is.
• 15:04
  The
• 15:04
  soul,
• 15:04
  of
• 15:05
  course,
• 15:05
  has
• 15:05
  dissolved
• 15:06
  into
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  Absolute.
• 15:07
  That's
• 15:08
  absolutely
• 15:09
  fulfilled.
• 15:11
  And
• 15:12
  there's
• 15:12
  this
• 15:13
  emergence
• 15:13
  of
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  sense
• 15:14
  of
• 15:15
  constriction
• 15:16
  being
• 15:16
  pulled
• 15:17
  to
• 15:17
  something
• 15:17
  that
• 15:18
  isn't
• 15:19
  understood
• 15:19
  but
• 15:20
  feels.
• 15:20
  Is
• 15:21
  interpreted
• 15:22
  initially
• 15:23
  as
• 15:23
  a
• 15:23
  loss
• 15:24
  of
• 15:25
  the
• 15:25
  Absolute.
• 15:27
  And
• 15:27
  you
• 15:27
  make
• 15:28
  a
• 15:28
  very
• 15:29
  important
• 15:29
  generalization
• 15:30
  that
• 15:30
  the
• 15:31
  dramatic
• 15:32
  jumps
• 15:32
  in.
• 15:33
  I
• 15:34
  guess
• 15:34
  both
• 15:34
  psychological
• 15:35
  and
• 15:36
  spiritual
• 15:36
  growth
• 15:37
  usually
• 15:38
  feel
• 15:38
  like
• 15:38
  a
• 15:38
  loss
• 15:38
  at
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  beginning.
• 15:40
  Until
• 15:40
  you.
• 15:40
  Until
• 15:41
  you
• 15:41
  go
• 15:41
  through
• 15:41
  it
• 15:41
  and
• 15:41
  then
• 15:41
  you
• 15:42
  realize
• 15:42
  you
• 15:42
  didn't.
• 15:42
  It
• 15:43
  wasn't
• 15:43
  a
• 15:43
  loss.
• 15:44
  Yeah.
• 15:44
  Maybe
• 15:45
  you
• 15:45
  could
• 15:45
  speak
• 15:45
  to
• 15:45
  that.
• 15:46
  Yeah.
• 15:46
  So
• 15:46
  that's.
• 15:47
  This
• 15:47
  happens
• 15:47
  as
• 15:48
  many
• 15:48
  transition
• 15:48
  and
• 15:49
  the
• 15:49
  spiritual
• 15:49
  journey
• 15:50
  that
• 15:51
  going
• 15:51
  from
• 15:52
  one
• 15:52
  thing
• 15:52
  to
• 15:52
  another
• 15:52
  feels
• 15:53
  like,
• 15:53
  especially
• 15:54
  if
• 15:54
  you're
• 15:54
  going
• 15:54
  from
• 15:54
  something
• 15:55
  wonderful
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  another
• 15:57
  wonderful
• 15:57
  thing,
• 15:58
  you
• 15:58
  don't
• 15:58
  know
• 15:58
  the
• 15:59
  next
• 15:59
  thing
• 15:59
  is
• 15:59
  going
• 16:00
  to
• 16:00
  be
• 16:00
  wonderful
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  be
• 16:02
  feeling,
• 16:03
  leaving
• 16:03
  something
• 16:04
  you
• 16:04
  like
• 16:05
  that
• 16:05
  satisfying,
• 16:06
  is
• 16:06
  it?
• 16:08
  So
• 16:08
  I'm
• 16:09
  talking
• 16:09
  about
• 16:09
  the
• 16:09
  journey
• 16:09
  of
• 16:10
  descent.
• 16:10
  Here
• 16:12
  we
• 16:12
  have
• 16:12
  ascent
• 16:13
  and
• 16:13
  descent,
• 16:15
  and
• 16:15
  it
• 16:15
  is
• 16:16
  schemata.
• 16:17
  Schema
• 16:17
  that
• 16:17
  is
• 16:18
  used
• 16:18
  by
• 16:18
  many
• 16:18
  teaching.
• 16:19
  But
• 16:19
  Ascent
• 16:20
  of
• 16:20
  Descent,
• 16:20
  it's
• 16:20
  a
• 16:21
  classic
• 16:22
  that
• 16:22
  every
• 16:23
  journey
• 16:23
  has
• 16:23
  an
• 16:23
  ascent
• 16:24
  and
• 16:24
  descent.
• 16:25
  But
• 16:25
  many
• 16:26
  teaching,
• 16:26
  they
• 16:27
  make
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  descent
• 16:28
  as
• 16:28
  if
• 16:28
  the
• 16:29
  individual
• 16:29
  descents
• 16:30
  and
• 16:31
  to
• 16:31
  the
• 16:31
  world.
• 16:32
  Here
• 16:32
  I
• 16:32
  make
• 16:33
  it
• 16:33
  very.
• 16:33
  It
• 16:33
  became
• 16:34
  very
• 16:34
  clear
• 16:34
  to
• 16:34
  me
• 16:35
  when
• 16:35
  I
• 16:35
  first
• 16:36
  I
• 16:36
  thought
• 16:37
  that
• 16:37
  myself
• 16:38
  too,
• 16:38
  I
• 16:39
  didn't
• 16:39
  know
• 16:40
  what
• 16:41
  descent
• 16:41
  meant.
• 16:42
  I
• 16:42
  thought,
• 16:43
  felt
• 16:44
  like
• 16:44
  I'm
• 16:44
  going
• 16:45
  to
• 16:45
  be
• 16:45
  losing
• 16:45
  the
• 16:46
  vastness
• 16:46
  of
• 16:47
  the
• 16:47
  Absolute
• 16:48
  and
• 16:48
  become
• 16:49
  this
• 16:49
  individual
• 16:50
  who
• 16:50
  sort
• 16:51
  of
• 16:51
  knows
• 16:52
  or
• 16:52
  experiences
• 16:53
  absolute
• 16:53
  and
• 16:53
  going
• 16:53
  to
• 16:53
  come
• 16:54
  back
• 16:54
  into
• 16:55
  human
• 16:56
  life
• 16:56
  as
• 16:56
  a
• 16:58
  individual
• 16:58
  human
• 16:59
  being.
• 17:00
  It
• 17:00
  took
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  while
• 17:01
  as
• 17:02
  what
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  call
• 17:03
  the
• 17:04
  dimension
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  descent
• 17:05
  began
• 17:05
  to
• 17:05
  emerge
• 17:06
  and
• 17:07
  recognize
• 17:07
  that
• 17:08
  no,
• 17:08
  it's
• 17:09
  not
• 17:09
  the
• 17:09
  soul
• 17:09
  that
• 17:10
  descends,
• 17:10
  it's
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  Absolute
• 17:11
  that
• 17:12
  descends.
• 17:12
  The
• 17:13
  Absolute
• 17:13
  comes
• 17:14
  into.
• 17:16
  Manifest
• 17:17
  into
• 17:17
  the
• 17:18
  world
• 17:18
  into
• 17:19
  different
• 17:20
  dimensions.
• 17:22
  That
• 17:23
  shows
• 17:24
  how
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  Absolute
• 17:25
  is
• 17:25
  integrated
• 17:27
  into
• 17:27
  everything
• 17:28
  else
• 17:29
  and
• 17:29
  different
• 17:30
  relationship
• 17:31
  the
• 17:31
  Absolute
• 17:32
  has
• 17:32
  to
• 17:33
  manifestation
• 17:34
  or
• 17:34
  to
• 17:34
  life.
• 17:35
  And
• 17:36
  in
• 17:36
  dimension,
• 17:37
  each
• 17:37
  one
• 17:37
  of
• 17:37
  them
• 17:37
  shows
• 17:38
  a
• 17:38
  different
• 17:38
  relationship.
• 17:40
  The
• 17:40
  absolute
• 17:41
  home,
• 17:41
  the
• 17:41
  absolute
• 17:42
  source,
• 17:42
  the
• 17:43
  absolute
• 17:44
  ground.
• 17:45
  How
• 17:46
  is
• 17:46
  it
• 17:46
  related
• 17:46
  to
• 17:47
  those
• 17:47
  others
• 17:48
  of
• 17:49
  the
• 17:49
  descent,
• 17:50
  which
• 17:51
  means
• 17:51
  relationship
• 17:52
  to
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  world
• 17:53
  as
• 17:54
  it's.
• 17:54
  It's
• 17:55
  very
• 17:55
  similar
• 17:55
  to
• 17:55
  the
• 17:56
  story
• 17:56
  of
• 17:56
  Jesus
• 17:57
  in
• 17:57
  the
• 17:57
  Gospels,
• 17:58
  where
• 17:58
  he
• 17:59
  has
• 18:00
  this
• 18:00
  goes
• 18:01
  in
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  desert.
• 18:01
  Finally
• 18:01
  he
• 18:02
  realizes
• 18:03
  apparently
• 18:03
  who
• 18:03
  and
• 18:03
  what
• 18:04
  he
• 18:04
  is.
• 18:04
  Or
• 18:04
  when
• 18:05
  John
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  Baptist
• 18:05
  baptized
• 18:06
  him
• 18:06
  as
• 18:06
  the
• 18:06
  different
• 18:07
  Gospels
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  same.
• 18:08
  But
• 18:08
  then
• 18:09
  he
• 18:09
  incarnates.
• 18:11
  The
• 18:11
  Word
• 18:11
  becomes
• 18:12
  flesh.
• 18:12
  It
• 18:12
  says
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  Logos
• 18:13
  become
• 18:14
  flesh.
• 18:14
  The
• 18:14
  Logos
• 18:15
  was
• 18:15
  God,
• 18:15
  the
• 18:16
  Logos
• 18:16
  with
• 18:16
  God,
• 18:17
  all
• 18:17
  things
• 18:17
  were
• 18:17
  made
• 18:18
  by
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  Logos.
• 18:19
  And
• 18:19
  he
• 18:20
  came
• 18:20
  into
• 18:20
  the
• 18:21
  world
• 18:21
  and
• 18:21
  held
• 18:22
  that.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:23
  then
• 18:24
  he
• 18:24
  had.
• 18:24
  And
• 18:24
  you,
• 18:24
  you
• 18:25
  said
• 18:25
  this
• 18:25
  is
• 18:25
  one
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  most
• 18:26
  difficult
• 18:26
  things.
• 18:27
  Even
• 18:28
  more
• 18:28
  difficult
• 18:29
  than
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  journey
• 18:29
  of
• 18:30
  ascent
• 18:31
  is
• 18:31
  when
• 18:31
  you
• 18:32
  have
• 18:32
  to
• 18:32
  surrender
• 18:34
  to
• 18:34
  the
• 18:34
  flow
• 18:35
  or
• 18:35
  to
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  will
• 18:35
  of
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  Logos.
• 18:36
  In
• 18:37
  other
• 18:37
  words,
• 18:37
  no
• 18:37
  longer
• 18:38
  your
• 18:39
  little
• 18:39
  thing
• 18:39
  or
• 18:39
  to
• 18:39
  God's
• 18:40
  will,
• 18:40
  if
• 18:40
  you
• 18:40
  will.
• 18:41
  And
• 18:41
  that
• 18:42
  can
• 18:42
  be
• 18:42
  challenging.
• 18:43
  And
• 18:44
  that's
• 18:45
  really
• 18:45
  the.
• 18:46
  The
• 18:46
  grist
• 18:46
  where
• 18:47
  the
• 18:47
  story
• 18:47
  really
• 18:47
  unfolds.
• 18:48
  Yeah,
• 18:49
  that's
• 18:50
  true.
• 18:50
  It's
• 18:50
  not.
• 18:52
  I
• 18:52
  mean,
• 18:53
  I
• 18:53
  discovered
• 18:54
  a
• 18:54
  while
• 18:54
  ago
• 18:54
  that's
• 18:55
  not
• 18:55
  my
• 18:55
  will
• 18:55
  that
• 18:56
  doing
• 18:56
  it
• 18:56
  anyway
• 18:58
  moment
• 18:58
  you
• 18:58
  get
• 18:58
  in
• 18:59
  the
• 18:59
  bond
• 18:59
  of
• 18:59
  dimension.
• 19:00
  There's
• 19:00
  no
• 19:00
  individual
• 19:01
  will,
• 19:01
  it's
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  ogres.
• 19:03
  But
• 19:04
  there
• 19:05
  is
• 19:05
  a
• 19:05
  distinction
• 19:06
  between
• 19:06
  the
• 19:07
  genitive
• 19:07
  ascent
• 19:07
  and
• 19:08
  decent.
• 19:08
  And
• 19:09
  that
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  decent
• 19:10
  feels
• 19:10
  like
• 19:12
  the
• 19:14
  ground.
• 19:14
  The
• 19:15
  mystery
• 19:15
  itself
• 19:17
  comes
• 19:17
  into
• 19:18
  the
• 19:18
  world.
• 19:19
  And
• 19:19
  of
• 19:20
  course
• 19:20
  through
• 19:21
  an
• 19:21
  individual
• 19:22
  parting
• 19:23
  individual.
• 19:23
  Because
• 19:23
  it's
• 19:24
  not
• 19:24
  happening
• 19:24
  through
• 19:24
  everybody
• 19:25
  else.
• 19:25
  I
• 19:26
  know
• 19:26
  that.
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  know
• 19:27
  some
• 19:27
  people,
• 19:28
  maybe
• 19:28
  that
• 19:29
  is
• 19:29
  happening
• 19:29
  through
• 19:30
  this
• 19:30
  individual
• 19:30
  body,
• 19:31
  this
• 19:31
  individual
• 19:32
  soul.
• 19:33
  And
• 19:33
  also,
• 19:34
  as
• 19:34
  I
• 19:34
  said,
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  was
• 19:35
  differentiating
• 19:36
  from
• 19:36
  the
• 19:36
  Eastern
• 19:37
  path,
• 19:37
  where
• 19:38
  the
• 19:38
  idea
• 19:38
  is
• 19:39
  to
• 19:39
  get
• 19:39
  to
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  ascent
• 19:40
  to
• 19:40
  the
• 19:41
  transcendent
• 19:41
  and
• 19:42
  just
• 19:42
  live
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  transcendence
• 19:43
  transcended.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:44
  then
• 19:44
  living
• 19:45
  in
• 19:45
  their
• 19:45
  life
• 19:46
  is
• 19:46
  not
• 19:46
  important,
• 19:47
  insignificant.
• 19:49
  And
• 19:50
  many
• 19:50
  gurus,
• 19:51
  as
• 19:51
  we
• 19:51
  know,
• 19:53
  they
• 19:53
  don't
• 19:53
  live
• 19:54
  much
• 19:54
  of
• 19:55
  their
• 19:55
  life.
• 19:55
  They're
• 19:56
  taking
• 19:56
  care
• 19:56
  of
• 19:57
  Manamaharishi,
• 19:58
  for
• 19:58
  instance,
• 19:59
  you
• 19:59
  know,
• 20:00
  he
• 20:00
  was
• 20:00
  taken
• 20:00
  care
• 20:00
  of.
• 20:01
  He
• 20:01
  was
• 20:01
  basically
• 20:02
  teaching,
• 20:03
  wasn't
• 20:03
  doing
• 20:04
  anything.
• 20:04
  That
• 20:05
  is
• 20:05
  more
• 20:05
  the
• 20:06
  classics.
• 20:07
  Others
• 20:07
  of
• 20:07
  course
• 20:08
  did
• 20:08
  live
• 20:09
  like
• 20:09
  in
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  second
• 20:09
  day
• 20:10
  Maharaj,
• 20:11
  I
• 20:11
  was
• 20:12
  a
• 20:12
  shopkeeper.
• 20:13
  He
• 20:14
  didn't.
• 20:16
  So
• 20:16
  some
• 20:17
  of
• 20:17
  them
• 20:17
  did
• 20:17
  it.
• 20:18
  But
• 20:18
  in
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  Western
• 20:19
  tradition,
• 20:19
  it's
• 20:20
  more
• 20:21
  than
• 20:22
  the
• 20:22
  central
• 20:22
  Thing
• 20:23
  that
• 20:23
  to
• 20:23
  live
• 20:24
  in
• 20:24
  the
• 20:24
  world,
• 20:26
  to
• 20:26
  be
• 20:26
  embodied
• 20:27
  in
• 20:27
  the
• 20:27
  world
• 20:27
  regardless
• 20:28
  of
• 20:29
  the
• 20:29
  depth
• 20:30
  we
• 20:30
  know.
• 20:31
  And
• 20:31
  the
• 20:32
  anonymous
• 20:33
  one
• 20:33
  dimension
• 20:33
  after
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  another
• 20:34
  shows
• 20:35
  what's
• 20:36
  that
• 20:36
  mean
• 20:37
  in
• 20:37
  what
• 20:37
  kind
• 20:37
  of
• 20:38
  integration?
• 20:39
  How
• 20:39
  is
• 20:39
  the
• 20:39
  transcendent
• 20:40
  is
• 20:40
  integrated
• 20:41
  into
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  manifest,
• 20:43
  the
• 20:43
  concrete?
• 20:44
  Are
• 20:45
  there
• 20:45
  any
• 20:45
  obstacles
• 20:47
  for
• 20:47
  people
• 20:47
  who
• 20:48
  have
• 20:48
  had
• 20:48
  the
• 20:48
  self
• 20:48
  realization
• 20:49
  and
• 20:50
  the
• 20:50
  descent?
• 20:51
  Are
• 20:51
  there
• 20:52
  there
• 20:52
  trapdoors?
• 20:53
  Are
• 20:53
  there
• 20:53
  ways
• 20:53
  that
• 20:54
  you
• 20:54
  can
• 20:55
  mess
• 20:55
  up
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  journey
• 20:56
  of
• 20:57
  coming
• 20:57
  back
• 20:57
  into
• 20:57
  the
• 20:58
  world?
• 20:58
  And
• 20:59
  yeah,
• 20:59
  are
• 20:59
  there
• 21:00
  any
• 21:00
  things
• 21:01
  we
• 21:01
  should
• 21:01
  look
• 21:01
  out
• 21:01
  for?
• 21:02
  In
• 21:02
  my
• 21:02
  experience
• 21:03
  it
• 21:03
  wasn't
• 21:04
  like
• 21:04
  obstacles
• 21:05
  to
• 21:05
  it.
• 21:05
  It's
• 21:05
  more
• 21:05
  like
• 21:06
  there
• 21:07
  are
• 21:07
  things
• 21:07
  that
• 21:07
  arise,
• 21:08
  concerns,
• 21:09
  loss,
• 21:10
  you
• 21:11
  know,
• 21:11
  not
• 21:11
  understanding,
• 21:12
  confusion,
• 21:13
  things
• 21:13
  like
• 21:13
  that.
• 21:14
  Because
• 21:14
  things
• 21:14
  are
• 21:15
  changing.
• 21:15
  You
• 21:16
  thought,
• 21:16
  well
• 21:16
  you
• 21:16
  got
• 21:17
  it,
• 21:17
  you're
• 21:17
  living
• 21:17
  there,
• 21:17
  that's
• 21:18
  it.
• 21:18
  You
• 21:18
  know,
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  was
• 21:19
  like
• 21:19
  that
• 21:19
  for
• 21:20
  years.
• 21:20
  And
• 21:21
  then
• 21:22
  something
• 21:23
  happens
• 21:24
  and
• 21:24
  things
• 21:24
  start
• 21:25
  changing
• 21:25
  and
• 21:25
  I
• 21:26
  say,
• 21:26
  well
• 21:26
  what's
• 21:26
  in
• 21:26
  the
• 21:27
  hell
• 21:27
  going
• 21:27
  on?
• 21:29
  So
• 21:29
  there's
• 21:30
  confusion,
• 21:30
  there's
• 21:30
  concern
• 21:31
  and
• 21:31
  not
• 21:31
  count
• 21:32
  things.
• 21:33
  And
• 21:33
  then
• 21:33
  however,
• 21:34
  as
• 21:34
  the
• 21:34
  dimension
• 21:35
  manifests
• 21:36
  become
• 21:36
  clear
• 21:37
  what's
• 21:37
  going
• 21:38
  on
• 21:38
  and
• 21:38
  there
• 21:38
  is
• 21:39
  a
• 21:39
  surrender
• 21:40
  to
• 21:40
  it,
• 21:41
  a
• 21:41
  surrender
• 21:42
  to
• 21:42
  what's
• 21:42
  happening
• 21:43
  that
• 21:44
  is
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  will
• 21:45
  of
• 21:46
  the
• 21:46
  absolute,
• 21:47
  the
• 21:47
  will
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  the
• 21:47
  divine
• 21:48
  happening
• 21:49
  and
• 21:50
  just
• 21:51
  for
• 21:51
  me
• 21:51
  to
• 21:51
  see.
• 21:54
  And
• 21:54
  that
• 21:55
  was
• 21:55
  a
• 21:55
  moment
• 21:55
  I
• 21:55
  imagine
• 21:56
  of
• 21:56
  peace.
• 21:58
  Like
• 21:58
  it's
• 21:58
  okay,
• 21:59
  this
• 21:59
  is
• 21:59
  what's
• 21:59
  supposed
• 22:00
  to
• 22:00
  be
• 22:00
  happening.
• 22:01
  Yeah,
• 22:01
  that's
• 22:01
  the
• 22:01
  interesting
• 22:02
  thing
• 22:02
  because
• 22:03
  arriving
• 22:03
  in
• 22:03
  the
• 22:03
  absolute
• 22:04
  is
• 22:04
  absolute
• 22:05
  peace
• 22:06
  and
• 22:06
  contentment.
• 22:08
  Then
• 22:08
  you
• 22:09
  think
• 22:09
  you're
• 22:09
  losing
• 22:10
  it
• 22:10
  by
• 22:10
  descent.
• 22:11
  While
• 22:12
  it
• 22:12
  turns
• 22:13
  out
• 22:13
  took
• 22:14
  a
• 22:14
  while
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  recognize,
• 22:14
  no,
• 22:15
  I'm
• 22:15
  not
• 22:15
  losing
• 22:15
  anything,
• 22:16
  it's
• 22:16
  just
• 22:17
  integrating
• 22:18
  other
• 22:18
  dimension
• 22:19
  back.
• 22:20
  Things
• 22:20
  that
• 22:20
  pass
• 22:20
  through,
• 22:21
  they're
• 22:22
  coming
• 22:22
  back,
• 22:22
  but
• 22:23
  they're
• 22:23
  coming
• 22:23
  back
• 22:24
  as
• 22:24
  external
• 22:25
  to
• 22:25
  me.
• 22:27
  Yeah.
• 22:27
  And
• 22:28
  Amit,
• 22:28
  it
• 22:28
  feels
• 22:29
  like
• 22:29
  you've
• 22:29
  identified
• 22:30
  another
• 22:31
  kind
• 22:31
  of
• 22:32
  using
• 22:32
  the
• 22:32
  metaphor,
• 22:33
  another
• 22:33
  kind
• 22:33
  of
• 22:34
  dark
• 22:34
  night.
• 22:35
  Traditionally,
• 22:36
  particularly
• 22:37
  in
• 22:37
  Christianity,
• 22:39
  there's
• 22:39
  the
• 22:39
  idea
• 22:40
  coming
• 22:40
  from
• 22:40
  St.
• 22:40
  John
• 22:41
  of
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  Cross
• 22:41
  of
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  idea
• 22:43
  of
• 22:43
  a
• 22:43
  dark
• 22:43
  night
• 22:43
  of
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  senses.
• 22:44
  A
• 22:44
  kind
• 22:45
  of
• 22:46
  painful
• 22:46
  relinquishment
• 22:47
  of
• 22:47
  satisfaction,
• 22:48
  physical
• 22:49
  satisfactions,
• 22:50
  even
• 22:50
  spiritual
• 22:51
  consolations.
• 22:52
  And
• 22:52
  then
• 22:52
  there's
• 22:53
  a
• 22:53
  so
• 22:53
  called
• 22:53
  dark
• 22:53
  night
• 22:54
  of
• 22:54
  the
• 22:54
  soul,
• 22:55
  which
• 22:56
  was
• 22:56
  originally
• 22:57
  thought
• 22:57
  of
• 22:57
  as
• 22:57
  a
• 22:57
  further
• 22:58
  purgation,
• 22:59
  but
• 22:59
  now
• 23:00
  people
• 23:00
  like
• 23:01
  Cynthia
• 23:01
  Bourgeau
• 23:02
  reinterpreting
• 23:03
  it
• 23:04
  as
• 23:04
  a
• 23:04
  dramatic
• 23:05
  reconfiguration
• 23:06
  of
• 23:06
  identity.
• 23:07
  It
• 23:08
  sounds
• 23:09
  like
• 23:09
  as
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  described,
• 23:11
  the
• 23:11
  beginning
• 23:11
  of
• 23:11
  the
• 23:11
  journey
• 23:12
  of
• 23:12
  descent.
• 23:12
  It
• 23:13
  feels
• 23:13
  like
• 23:14
  another
• 23:14
  kind
• 23:14
  of
• 23:15
  dark
• 23:15
  night,
• 23:15
  a
• 23:15
  kind
• 23:15
  of
• 23:16
  dark
• 23:16
  night
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  absolute
• 23:17
  of
• 23:18
  feeling
• 23:18
  or
• 23:18
  fearing
• 23:19
  that
• 23:19
  one
• 23:19
  is
• 23:19
  losing
• 23:20
  this
• 23:20
  ultimate
• 23:21
  constellation.
• 23:22
  I'm
• 23:22
  not
• 23:22
  sure
• 23:23
  I
• 23:23
  want
• 23:23
  to
• 23:23
  do
• 23:23
  this
• 23:23
  sort
• 23:24
  of
• 23:24
  thing.
• 23:24
  I
• 23:25
  think
• 23:25
  I'll
• 23:25
  stay
• 23:25
  up
• 23:26
  here.
• 23:26
  Yeah,
• 23:26
  I
• 23:26
  mean
• 23:26
  the
• 23:27
  Dark
• 23:27
  night
• 23:27
  is
• 23:28
  usually
• 23:29
  is
• 23:29
  on
• 23:29
  the
• 23:29
  way
• 23:30
  to
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  Absolute.
• 23:31
  Dark
• 23:32
  is
• 23:32
  letting
• 23:33
  go
• 23:33
  of
• 23:33
  our
• 23:34
  attachment,
• 23:34
  desire
• 23:35
  what
• 23:36
  we
• 23:36
  think
• 23:36
  is
• 23:36
  valuable
• 23:37
  so
• 23:38
  that
• 23:38
  we
• 23:38
  purely
• 23:39
  love
• 23:40
  only
• 23:40
  with
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  Absolute.
• 23:42
  We
• 23:43
  give
• 23:43
  up
• 23:43
  all
• 23:43
  loves,
• 23:44
  all
• 23:44
  other
• 23:44
  loves,
• 23:45
  whether
• 23:46
  evil
• 23:46
  or
• 23:47
  object
• 23:48
  or
• 23:48
  activities,
• 23:49
  until
• 23:49
  it
• 23:49
  becomes
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  central
• 23:51
  and
• 23:51
  overriding
• 23:52
  love.
• 23:53
  Not
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  dark
• 23:54
  night.
• 23:55
  Classic
• 23:55
  dark
• 23:55
  night.
• 23:56
  Here
• 23:57
  you
• 23:57
  could
• 23:57
  say,
• 23:58
  you
• 23:58
  know,
• 24:00
  mentioned
• 24:01
  Raja,
• 24:01
  that
• 24:01
  it's
• 24:02
  like
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  dark
• 24:02
  night.
• 24:03
  It's
• 24:04
  not
• 24:04
  as
• 24:04
  intense
• 24:05
  or
• 24:05
  as
• 24:06
  consuming
• 24:07
  as
• 24:07
  the
• 24:08
  dark
• 24:08
  night.
• 24:09
  It's
• 24:09
  more
• 24:10
  like
• 24:10
  moments
• 24:10
  of
• 24:11
  puzzlement
• 24:12
  and
• 24:13
  not
• 24:13
  understanding
• 24:14
  what's
• 24:14
  happening.
• 24:15
  And
• 24:15
  then
• 24:15
  things
• 24:16
  become
• 24:16
  clearer,
• 24:17
  not
• 24:17
  as
• 24:18
  dramatic.
• 24:18
  Dragonite
• 24:19
  is
• 24:19
  very
• 24:20
  dramatic
• 24:21
  and
• 24:22
  very
• 24:22
  intense.
• 24:23
  Can
• 24:23
  be
• 24:23
  painful
• 24:25
  long.
• 24:25
  For
• 24:26
  some
• 24:26
  people
• 24:27
  these
• 24:28
  were
• 24:28
  happening,
• 24:29
  you
• 24:29
  know,
• 24:30
  fast
• 24:31
  Succession.
• 24:31
  Succession
• 24:32
  of
• 24:33
  dimensions
• 24:34
  and
• 24:34
  aneed.
• 24:35
  As
• 24:35
  you
• 24:36
  took
• 24:36
  us
• 24:36
  through
• 24:36
  the
• 24:37
  journey
• 24:37
  of
• 24:37
  ascent
• 24:37
  in
• 24:38
  previous
• 24:38
  chapters,
• 24:39
  culminating
• 24:39
  in
• 24:40
  the
• 24:40
  realization
• 24:41
  of
• 24:41
  the
• 24:41
  Absolute,
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  fundamental
• 24:43
  ground
• 24:43
  and
• 24:43
  nature
• 24:44
  of
• 24:46
  both
• 24:46
  our
• 24:46
  fundamental
• 24:47
  ground
• 24:47
  and
• 24:48
  the
• 24:48
  fundamental
• 24:49
  ground
• 24:49
  of
• 24:49
  reality.
• 24:50
  You
• 24:51
  describe
• 24:52
  the
• 24:53
  Absolute,
• 24:54
  but
• 24:54
  here
• 24:55
  you
• 24:55
  go
• 24:56
  into
• 24:56
  a
• 24:56
  further
• 24:56
  description,
• 24:57
  talking
• 24:57
  about
• 24:57
  the
• 24:58
  absolute
• 24:58
  dimension
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  the
• 25:00
  realization
• 25:00
  which
• 25:01
  you
• 25:01
  briefly
• 25:01
  alluded
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  before,
• 25:03
  that
• 25:04
  as
• 25:04
  part
• 25:04
  of
• 25:05
  the
• 25:05
  descent,
• 25:05
  there's
• 25:05
  this
• 25:06
  recognition
• 25:06
  that
• 25:07
  the
• 25:07
  all
• 25:08
  manifestation
• 25:09
  is
• 25:09
  just
• 25:09
  the.
• 25:10
  You
• 25:10
  call
• 25:10
  it
• 25:10
  the
• 25:11
  forms
• 25:12
  of
• 25:12
  subtle
• 25:13
  radiance.
• 25:14
  And
• 25:14
  there's
• 25:14
  only
• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
  mysterious
• 25:15
  darkness
• 25:16
  of
• 25:16
  the
• 25:16
  Absolute
• 25:17
  with
• 25:18
  these
• 25:18
  very
• 25:19
  subtle
• 25:19
  shimmerings.
• 25:20
  It's
• 25:20
  a
• 25:20
  beautiful
• 25:21
  description
• 25:21
  you
• 25:22
  give,
• 25:22
  but
• 25:22
  those
• 25:23
  subtle
• 25:23
  shimmerings
• 25:24
  are
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  entire
• 25:25
  universe.
• 25:27
  That's
• 25:28
  pretty
• 25:28
  dramatic.
• 25:29
  Yeah.
• 25:30
  Remind
• 25:30
  me
• 25:31
  in
• 25:31
  science
• 25:32
  about
• 25:32
  quantum
• 25:33
  field
• 25:33
  theory.
• 25:34
  Discuss
• 25:34
  everything
• 25:35
  is
• 25:35
  just
• 25:36
  waves
• 25:37
  and
• 25:38
  only
• 25:39
  we
• 25:39
  see
• 25:39
  matter
• 25:40
  because
• 25:40
  we
• 25:40
  don't
• 25:40
  see
• 25:41
  things,
• 25:41
  you
• 25:41
  know,
• 25:42
  exactly.
• 25:44
  Sort
• 25:44
  of
• 25:44
  like.
• 25:44
  But
• 25:45
  that
• 25:45
  is
• 25:45
  really
• 25:45
  true.
• 25:46
  There's
• 25:46
  like
• 25:47
  subtle
• 25:48
  everything
• 25:48
  from
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  Absolute.
• 25:50
  That's
• 25:50
  what
• 25:50
  they
• 25:50
  call
• 25:51
  the
• 25:51
  absolute
• 25:51
  dimension.
• 25:52
  Like
• 25:52
  the
• 25:52
  whole
• 25:53
  world,
• 25:54
  all
• 25:54
  of
• 25:54
  manifestation
• 25:56
  is
• 25:56
  just
• 25:56
  the
• 25:58
  glorious
• 25:58
  robe
• 25:59
  of
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  Absolute,
• 26:00
  made
• 26:00
  out
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  light,
• 26:01
  variegated
• 26:02
  lights
• 26:03
  and
• 26:03
  jewels.
• 26:04
  So
• 26:04
  you
• 26:06
  see
• 26:06
  the,
• 26:07
  like
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  mountain
• 26:08
  and
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  tree
• 26:09
  and
• 26:09
  they
• 26:10
  glitter
• 26:11
  with
• 26:11
  light.
• 26:11
  They're
• 26:11
  transparent.
• 26:12
  They
• 26:12
  don't
• 26:12
  look
• 26:13
  opaque
• 26:13
  or
• 26:14
  thick
• 26:14
  or
• 26:15
  dense.
• 26:16
  It's
• 26:16
  really
• 26:17
  from
• 26:17
  that
• 26:17
  perspective
• 26:18
  you
• 26:19
  see
• 26:19
  how
• 26:19
  from
• 26:20
  its
• 26:20
  perspective,
• 26:21
  everything
• 26:21
  is
• 26:21
  pure
• 26:23
  light
• 26:23
  and
• 26:24
  not
• 26:24
  only
• 26:24
  light.
• 26:25
  It's
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  radius
• 26:26
  of
• 26:26
  this
• 26:27
  mystery.
• 26:29
  Because
• 26:30
  light
• 26:30
  seemed
• 26:31
  like
• 26:32
  worldly
• 26:33
  light.
• 26:33
  There's
• 26:33
  not
• 26:33
  a
• 26:33
  worldly
• 26:34
  light.
• 26:34
  It
• 26:35
  is
• 26:35
  spiritual
• 26:36
  light,
• 26:37
  which
• 26:37
  is
• 26:37
  nothing
• 26:38
  but
• 26:39
  the
• 26:39
  radiance
• 26:41
  of
• 26:42
  the
• 26:42
  mystery.
• 26:43
  It's
• 26:44
  kind
• 26:44
  of
• 26:44
  mystery
• 26:45
  in
• 26:45
  some
• 26:45
  sense.
• 26:45
  You
• 26:46
  can
• 26:46
  say
• 26:46
  completely
• 26:47
  black,
• 26:47
  completely
• 26:48
  nothing
• 26:48
  there.
• 26:49
  However,
• 26:49
  it
• 26:50
  is
• 26:50
  so
• 26:50
  black
• 26:51
  that
• 26:52
  it
• 26:52
  shines.
• 26:53
  That
• 26:54
  blackness
• 26:54
  is
• 26:54
  so
• 26:55
  extreme
• 26:56
  that
• 26:56
  it
• 26:57
  has
• 26:57
  sheen.
• 27:00
  And
• 27:00
  that
• 27:01
  sheen
• 27:01
  is
• 27:01
  the
• 27:02
  world.
• 27:03
  That's
• 27:03
  quite
• 27:03
  a
• 27:03
  reframe,
• 27:04
  Hameed.
• 27:06
  And
• 27:06
  Hameed,
• 27:06
  you
• 27:07
  also
• 27:08
  talked
• 27:08
  about
• 27:09
  when
• 27:09
  you're.
• 27:10
  You're
• 27:10
  coming
• 27:10
  back
• 27:11
  into
• 27:11
  being
• 27:12
  a
• 27:12
  human
• 27:12
  Being
• 27:13
  that
• 27:13
  all
• 27:14
  the
• 27:14
  things
• 27:14
  of
• 27:15
  human
• 27:15
  life,
• 27:15
  such
• 27:15
  as
• 27:16
  relationships
• 27:17
  and
• 27:18
  business
• 27:18
  and
• 27:19
  trees
• 27:20
  and
• 27:20
  all
• 27:20
  of
• 27:20
  this
• 27:22
  sexuality,
• 27:23
  it
• 27:23
  all
• 27:23
  it's.
• 27:24
  It's
• 27:24
  no
• 27:24
  longer
• 27:25
  seen
• 27:25
  as
• 27:25
  an
• 27:25
  obstacle
• 27:26
  or
• 27:27
  something
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  be
• 27:27
  avoided
• 27:28
  or
• 27:30
  forsaken,
• 27:30
  if
• 27:30
  you
• 27:31
  will,
• 27:31
  using
• 27:32
  the
• 27:32
  Christian
• 27:32
  word.
• 27:33
  But
• 27:33
  it
• 27:33
  becomes
• 27:34
  a
• 27:34
  vehicle
• 27:35
  for
• 27:35
  the
• 27:35
  expression
• 27:36
  of
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  absolute.
• 27:38
  And
• 27:38
  I
• 27:38
  find
• 27:38
  that
• 27:39
  very
• 27:39
  powerful
• 27:40
  and
• 27:40
  quite
• 27:40
  beautiful.
• 27:41
  Yeah,
• 27:41
  I
• 27:41
  mean
• 27:42
  think
• 27:42
  about
• 27:42
  it.
• 27:43
  Everything
• 27:44
  is
• 27:44
  a
• 27:44
  creation.
• 27:45
  The
• 27:45
  manifestation
• 27:46
  of
• 27:46
  the
• 27:46
  absolute
• 27:47
  is
• 27:48
  absolutely
• 27:48
  going
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  create
• 27:49
  something
• 27:50
  God
• 27:51
  doesn't
• 27:51
  want
• 27:51
  there.
• 27:53
  And
• 27:54
  manifesting
• 27:55
  it
• 27:55
  for
• 27:55
  it
• 27:55
  to
• 27:56
  live
• 27:56
  through
• 27:56
  it.
• 27:59
  Because
• 28:00
  it
• 28:00
  is
• 28:00
  a
• 28:00
  vehicle
• 28:02
  for
• 28:03
  this
• 28:05
  non
• 28:05
  existent
• 28:06
  vastness
• 28:07
  to
• 28:08
  become
• 28:09
  flesh,
• 28:10
  become
• 28:10
  body,
• 28:10
  become
• 28:11
  matter.
• 28:12
  And
• 28:14
  to
• 28:14
  live
• 28:14
  without
• 28:14
  forgetting
• 28:16
  that
• 28:16
  one
• 28:17
  is
• 28:18
  so
• 28:19
  subtle
• 28:19
  is
• 28:20
  unfindable
• 28:21
  the
• 28:21
  same
• 28:22
  time
• 28:23
  living
• 28:23
  everyday
• 28:24
  life.
• 28:25
  You
• 28:26
  said
• 28:26
  work,
• 28:28
  relationship,
• 28:29
  friendship,
• 28:31
  driving
• 28:31
  your
• 28:31
  car,
• 28:32
  taking
• 28:32
  a
• 28:32
  shower,
• 28:33
  all
• 28:33
  of
• 28:33
  that.
• 28:34
  I
• 28:35
  mean
• 28:36
  paradoxical
• 28:37
  kind
• 28:37
  of
• 28:38
  experiences
• 28:38
  that
• 28:39
  happen
• 28:39
  our
• 28:39
  perception,
• 28:40
  a
• 28:40
  way
• 28:41
  of
• 28:41
  living
• 28:42
  that
• 28:43
  what
• 28:44
  lives
• 28:44
  is
• 28:44
  not
• 28:45
  the
• 28:45
  individual.
• 28:45
  What
• 28:46
  lives
• 28:46
  is
• 28:47
  something
• 28:47
  transcendent,
• 28:48
  but
• 28:48
  lived
• 28:48
  through
• 28:49
  the
• 28:49
  individual.
• 28:50
  The
• 28:50
  individual
• 28:51
  is
• 28:51
  the
• 28:51
  organ
• 28:52
  of
• 28:52
  its
• 28:53
  living,
• 28:56
  the
• 28:56
  organ
• 28:56
  of
• 28:57
  perception
• 28:57
  and
• 28:57
  action.
• 28:59
  And
• 28:59
  that
• 29:00
  goes
• 29:01
  through
• 29:01
  many
• 29:01
  dimensions.
• 29:02
  It
• 29:02
  doesn't
• 29:03
  happen
• 29:04
  from
• 29:04
  one
• 29:04
  to
• 29:04
  the
• 29:04
  other.
• 29:05
  I
• 29:05
  describe
• 29:06
  in
• 29:06
  this
• 29:06
  chapter
• 29:07
  many
• 29:07
  dimensions
• 29:07
  of
• 29:08
  descent
• 29:09
  which
• 29:09
  are
• 29:10
  different
• 29:10
  degrees,
• 29:11
  different
• 29:12
  kinds
• 29:12
  of
• 29:13
  integration
• 29:14
  within
• 29:14
  this
• 29:15
  manifest
• 29:15
  world.
• 29:17
  And
• 29:17
  coming
• 29:17
  back
• 29:18
  into
• 29:18
  the
• 29:18
  descent
• 29:20
  as
• 29:21
  that
• 29:21
  went
• 29:21
  on,
• 29:21
  did.
• 29:22
  Did
• 29:22
  that
• 29:23
  feel
• 29:23
  like
• 29:23
  coming
• 29:24
  to
• 29:24
  the
• 29:24
  meaning
• 29:24
  and
• 29:24
  the
• 29:25
  purpose
• 29:25
  of
• 29:25
  your
• 29:25
  life?
• 29:25
  Why
• 29:26
  was
• 29:26
  I
• 29:26
  given
• 29:26
  this?
• 29:26
  You
• 29:27
  know,
• 29:27
  why
• 29:27
  did
• 29:27
  I
• 29:27
  wake
• 29:28
  up?
• 29:28
  You
• 29:28
  said
• 29:28
  a
• 29:28
  lot
• 29:28
  of
• 29:28
  most
• 29:29
  people
• 29:29
  don't.
• 29:30
  Why
• 29:30
  did
• 29:30
  I
• 29:30
  experience
• 29:31
  that?
• 29:31
  And
• 29:31
  then
• 29:32
  you
• 29:32
  start
• 29:32
  coming
• 29:32
  back
• 29:33
  in
• 29:33
  and
• 29:33
  then
• 29:34
  you're
• 29:34
  going
• 29:34
  oh
• 29:34
  I.
• 29:35
  That
• 29:35
  happened
• 29:35
  because
• 29:36
  I'm
• 29:36
  supposed
• 29:37
  to
• 29:37
  share
• 29:37
  this
• 29:37
  with
• 29:37
  the
• 29:37
  world.
• 29:38
  And
• 29:39
  you
• 29:39
  find
• 29:39
  your
• 29:39
  individual
• 29:40
  purpose
• 29:41
  that
• 29:41
  comes
• 29:41
  from
• 29:41
  the
• 29:42
  source.
• 29:43
  Well,
• 29:43
  I
• 29:43
  was,
• 29:45
  I
• 29:45
  knew
• 29:45
  I
• 29:46
  was
• 29:46
  going
• 29:46
  to
• 29:46
  share
• 29:46
  this
• 29:47
  before
• 29:47
  then
• 29:49
  in
• 29:49
  the
• 29:49
  genuine
• 29:50
  ascent.
• 29:51
  Just
• 29:51
  recognizing
• 29:52
  I
• 29:52
  am
• 29:53
  presence,
• 29:55
  essential
• 29:56
  presence
• 29:56
  that
• 29:57
  beyond
• 29:57
  going,
• 29:58
  even
• 29:58
  the
• 29:58
  boundless
• 29:59
  dimensions
• 30:00
  just
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  am
• 30:01
  presence
• 30:01
  of
• 30:01
  two
• 30:01
  natures.
• 30:02
  Spiritual
• 30:02
  presence,
• 30:03
  spiritual
• 30:03
  life.
• 30:05
  That's
• 30:05
  not
• 30:05
  just
• 30:06
  for
• 30:06
  me,
• 30:06
  I
• 30:06
  need
• 30:06
  to
• 30:07
  share
• 30:08
  it.
• 30:09
  So
• 30:09
  the
• 30:09
  sharing
• 30:10
  was
• 30:10
  happening
• 30:11
  before
• 30:11
  that?
• 30:12
  Well,
• 30:12
  in
• 30:13
  the
• 30:13
  middle.
• 30:13
  I
• 30:14
  don't
• 30:14
  remember
• 30:14
  exactly.
• 30:15
  I
• 30:15
  mean
• 30:15
  that
• 30:15
  was
• 30:16
  happening
• 30:16
  in
• 30:16
  fast
• 30:17
  succession.
• 30:18
  So
• 30:18
  the
• 30:18
  journey
• 30:18
  of
• 30:19
  descent
• 30:19
  is
• 30:19
  not
• 30:19
  matter
• 30:20
  of
• 30:20
  sharing
• 30:20
  this.
• 30:21
  It's
• 30:21
  not
• 30:21
  like
• 30:22
  I
• 30:22
  don't
• 30:22
  share
• 30:23
  until
• 30:23
  a
• 30:23
  journey
• 30:24
  of
• 30:24
  decent.
• 30:25
  No,
• 30:25
  I
• 30:25
  was
• 30:26
  sharing
• 30:26
  the
• 30:26
  journey
• 30:27
  of
• 30:27
  ascent
• 30:27
  as
• 30:27
  it
• 30:28
  was
• 30:28
  happening.
• 30:29
  You
• 30:29
  were
• 30:29
  already
• 30:29
  a
• 30:30
  teacher
• 30:30
  before
• 30:30
  that?
• 30:31
  Yeah,
• 30:31
  I
• 30:31
  didn't
• 30:31
  know
• 30:32
  there
• 30:32
  was
• 30:32
  anything
• 30:32
  about
• 30:33
  journey
• 30:33
  after
• 30:34
  that.
• 30:36
  I
• 30:37
  didn't
• 30:37
  know.
• 30:37
  I
• 30:37
  thought
• 30:38
  I
• 30:38
  was
• 30:38
  feeling
• 30:39
  free
• 30:39
  and
• 30:40
  contented
• 30:40
  and
• 30:40
  happy
• 30:41
  and
• 30:41
  I
• 30:41
  thought,
• 30:42
  you
• 30:42
  know,
• 30:43
  I
• 30:43
  want
• 30:43
  others
• 30:44
  to
• 30:44
  feel
• 30:44
  the
• 30:44
  same
• 30:44
  thing.
• 30:45
  I
• 30:46
  wasn't
• 30:46
  given
• 30:47
  a
• 30:47
  permission
• 30:48
  by,
• 30:48
  you
• 30:49
  know,
• 30:49
  lineage
• 30:49
  hold.
• 30:50
  I
• 30:50
  didn't
• 30:50
  have
• 30:52
  the
• 30:52
  permission
• 30:52
  come
• 30:53
  from
• 30:53
  true
• 30:53
  nature
• 30:53
  itself.
• 30:55
  No,
• 30:56
  here
• 30:56
  I
• 30:56
  am.
• 30:57
  You
• 30:57
  are
• 30:57
  presented
• 30:58
  with
• 30:58
  this.
• 30:58
  Not
• 30:59
  just
• 30:59
  for
• 30:59
  you.
• 31:00
  It's
• 31:01
  beautiful.
• 31:03
  Many
• 31:04
  places
• 31:04
  to
• 31:04
  go
• 31:05
  here.
• 31:05
  That's
• 31:06
  one
• 31:06
  thing
• 31:06
  that
• 31:07
  comes
• 31:07
  to
• 31:07
  mind
• 31:07
  here.
• 31:08
  Amit
• 31:08
  is,
• 31:09
  as
• 31:09
  I
• 31:09
  was
• 31:09
  reading
• 31:10
  about
• 31:11
  the
• 31:13
  ongoing
• 31:14
  recognition
• 31:15
  of
• 31:16
  the
• 31:16
  Absolute
• 31:18
  as
• 31:18
  the
• 31:18
  ground
• 31:19
  of
• 31:19
  all
• 31:20
  experience
• 31:21
  and
• 31:21
  activity.
• 31:22
  It's
• 31:22
  like,
• 31:22
  okay,
• 31:23
  for
• 31:23
  those
• 31:23
  of
• 31:23
  us
• 31:23
  who
• 31:24
  don't
• 31:24
  have
• 31:24
  an
• 31:24
  ongoing
• 31:26
  realization
• 31:26
  of
• 31:27
  this
• 31:27
  or
• 31:27
  even
• 31:28
  an
• 31:28
  initial
• 31:28
  realization
• 31:29
  of
• 31:29
  it,
• 31:30
  of
• 31:30
  course
• 31:30
  you
• 31:31
  laid
• 31:31
  out
• 31:32
  the
• 31:32
  fullness
• 31:33
  of
• 31:33
  the
• 31:33
  path
• 31:34
  in
• 31:34
  the
• 31:34
  journey
• 31:35
  of
• 31:35
  ascent.
• 31:35
  But
• 31:36
  one
• 31:36
  question
• 31:37
  is
• 31:37
  that.
• 31:39
  Let
• 31:39
  me
• 31:39
  back
• 31:39
  up
• 31:40
  and
• 31:40
  give
• 31:40
  an
• 31:41
  analogy
• 31:41
  here.
• 31:42
  Arnold
• 31:42
  Toynbee
• 31:43
  described
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  cycle
• 31:45
  withdrawal
• 31:45
  and
• 31:46
  return.
• 31:46
  That
• 31:46
  is
• 31:47
  the
• 31:47
  great
• 31:47
  sages
• 31:48
  have
• 31:48
  tended
• 31:48
  to
• 31:49
  withdraw
• 31:50
  from
• 31:50
  the
• 31:50
  world
• 31:50
  and,
• 31:51
  and
• 31:52
  do
• 31:52
  their
• 31:52
  inner
• 31:52
  work,
• 31:53
  have
• 31:53
  a
• 31:53
  realization
• 31:54
  and
• 31:54
  come
• 31:54
  back.
• 31:55
  But
• 31:55
  there's
• 31:55
  also
• 31:56
  an
• 31:57
  understanding
• 31:57
  that
• 31:58
  it
• 31:58
  can
• 31:58
  be
• 31:58
  multiple
• 31:59
  cycles
• 31:59
  of
• 32:00
  withdrawal
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  return.
• 32:01
  Is
• 32:02
  there
• 32:02
  in
• 32:02
  your
• 32:03
  experience
• 32:03
  and
• 32:04
  in
• 32:04
  the
• 32:04
  people
• 32:05
  you
• 32:05
  work
• 32:05
  with,
• 32:06
  is
• 32:06
  it
• 32:07
  always
• 32:07
  one
• 32:08
  cycle
• 32:09
  of
• 32:09
  ascent
• 32:09
  and
• 32:10
  descent
• 32:10
  or
• 32:11
  is
• 32:11
  it
• 32:12
  a
• 32:12
  series
• 32:12
  of
• 32:12
  cycles?
• 32:13
  Can
• 32:13
  it
• 32:14
  be
• 32:14
  series
• 32:14
  of
• 32:15
  cycles?
• 32:15
  Well,
• 32:16
  in
• 32:16
  terms
• 32:16
  of.
• 32:18
  In
• 32:18
  this
• 32:18
  book
• 32:18
  I'm
• 32:19
  discussing
• 32:21
  the
• 32:21
  ascent
• 32:22
  into
• 32:23
  the
• 32:23
  non
• 32:23
  dual
• 32:26
  dimensional
• 32:26
  reality.
• 32:28
  This
• 32:28
  is
• 32:29
  one
• 32:29
  cycle.
• 32:29
  You
• 32:30
  go,
• 32:30
  you
• 32:30
  descend.
• 32:32
  I
• 32:32
  mean
• 32:32
  one
• 32:33
  can,
• 32:33
  you
• 32:34
  know,
• 32:34
  have
• 32:34
  ascent,
• 32:35
  what
• 32:36
  I
• 32:36
  call
• 32:36
  mini
• 32:36
  ascent
• 32:37
  or
• 32:37
  descent
• 32:37
  in
• 32:38
  each
• 32:38
  one
• 32:38
  of
• 32:38
  the
• 32:38
  dimensions
• 32:39
  we
• 32:39
  discussed,
• 32:39
  like
• 32:40
  a
• 32:40
  presence,
• 32:40
  love,
• 32:41
  whatever
• 32:42
  that,
• 32:42
  and
• 32:42
  then
• 32:43
  live
• 32:43
  that
• 32:43
  in
• 32:43
  the
• 32:44
  world
• 32:45
  that
• 32:45
  you
• 32:45
  could
• 32:45
  call
• 32:45
  that
• 32:45
  the
• 32:46
  descent.
• 32:46
  But
• 32:47
  here
• 32:47
  I'm
• 32:47
  talking
• 32:48
  about
• 32:48
  overarching,
• 32:49
  not
• 32:50
  the
• 32:50
  descent,
• 32:50
  because
• 32:51
  it's
• 32:51
  the
• 32:51
  descent
• 32:52
  of
• 32:52
  the
• 32:52
  Absolute
• 32:53
  itself.
• 32:54
  You're
• 32:54
  talking
• 32:54
  about
• 32:54
  the
• 32:55
  descent
• 32:55
  of
• 32:56
  the
• 32:56
  individual,
• 32:57
  how
• 32:57
  they
• 32:57
  experience
• 32:58
  something,
• 32:59
  they
• 32:59
  come
• 32:59
  back
• 32:59
  to
• 32:59
  life
• 33:00
  and
• 33:01
  share
• 33:01
  it
• 33:01
  or
• 33:02
  live
• 33:02
  it,
• 33:02
  whatever
• 33:03
  that
• 33:03
  happens.
• 33:04
  True,
• 33:05
  regularly.
• 33:05
  Each
• 33:06
  dimension
• 33:06
  that's
• 33:06
  integrated
• 33:07
  need
• 33:08
  to
• 33:08
  be
• 33:09
  integrated
• 33:10
  back
• 33:10
  into
• 33:10
  the
• 33:10
  world
• 33:11
  and
• 33:12
  become
• 33:12
  lived.
• 33:13
  But
• 33:14
  the
• 33:14
  interesting
• 33:14
  thing
• 33:15
  here
• 33:15
  in
• 33:16
  this
• 33:16
  chapter
• 33:17
  we're
• 33:17
  talking
• 33:17
  about
• 33:17
  the
• 33:17
  descent
• 33:18
  of
• 33:18
  the
• 33:18
  Absolute
• 33:18
  itself
• 33:19
  or
• 33:20
  the
• 33:21
  Christian
• 33:22
  language.
• 33:23
  The
• 33:23
  Father
• 33:25
  comes
• 33:25
  into
• 33:26
  this
• 33:26
  world,
• 33:27
  doesn't
• 33:27
  send
• 33:27
  his
• 33:28
  Son.
• 33:30
  He
• 33:30
  comes
• 33:30
  into
• 33:31
  this
• 33:31
  world
• 33:32
  and
• 33:32
  appears
• 33:33
  as
• 33:33
  the
• 33:33
  Son.
• 33:35
  I
• 33:35
  think
• 33:35
  that
• 33:35
  gives
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  Cancer
• 33:37
  Trinity
• 33:37
  a
• 33:38
  different
• 33:38
  twist.
• 33:40
  Yes,
• 33:40
  and
• 33:41
  not
• 33:41
  really
• 33:41
  three.
• 33:41
  There
• 33:42
  are
• 33:42
  several
• 33:43
  sides
• 33:43
  of
• 33:44
  the
• 33:44
  same
• 33:44
  thing.
• 33:46
  Oh,
• 33:46
  Jesus
• 33:47
  said,
• 33:47
  I
• 33:47
  and
• 33:47
  my
• 33:47
  Father
• 33:48
  are
• 33:48
  one.
• 33:49
  Just
• 33:49
  what
• 33:49
  you
• 33:49
  said.
• 33:50
  Exactly.
• 33:51
  Yeah.
• 33:52
  And
• 33:52
  so
• 33:53
  really
• 33:54
  we
• 33:54
  haven't
• 33:55
  discussed
• 33:55
  the
• 33:56
  different
• 33:56
  dimension
• 33:57
  of
• 33:57
  descent
• 33:58
  in
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  book
• 33:58
  is
• 33:58
  basically
• 33:59
  goes
• 33:59
  over
• 34:00
  each
• 34:00
  dimension
• 34:01
  of
• 34:01
  descent.
• 34:02
  And
• 34:02
  what
• 34:02
  kind
• 34:03
  of
• 34:03
  relationship
• 34:04
  shows
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  Absolute
• 34:05
  has
• 34:06
  to
• 34:07
  other
• 34:07
  dimensions.
• 34:08
  The
• 34:08
  dimension
• 34:09
  we
• 34:09
  discussed
• 34:10
  before
• 34:11
  we
• 34:11
  spent
• 34:12
  a
• 34:12
  meeting,
• 34:12
  at
• 34:12
  least
• 34:13
  in
• 34:13
  each
• 34:13
  one
• 34:13
  of
• 34:13
  the
• 34:14
  dimension.
• 34:15
  Here
• 34:15
  we
• 34:15
  go.
• 34:16
  They're
• 34:17
  all
• 34:17
  integrated
• 34:18
  back
• 34:18
  because
• 34:19
  we
• 34:19
  have
• 34:19
  left
• 34:19
  them
• 34:20
  as
• 34:20
  we
• 34:20
  go
• 34:20
  to
• 34:20
  the
• 34:21
  Absolute
• 34:21
  and
• 34:21
  Here
• 34:22
  they
• 34:22
  come
• 34:22
  back.
• 34:23
  They
• 34:23
  come
• 34:23
  back
• 34:24
  as
• 34:24
  the
• 34:24
  outer
• 34:25
  garment
• 34:26
  of
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  absolute
• 34:27
  mystery
• 34:29
  and
• 34:29
  amid.
• 34:30
  You
• 34:30
  talk
• 34:30
  about
• 34:31
  authenticity
• 34:32
  here
• 34:32
  and
• 34:32
  give
• 34:33
  it
• 34:33
  a
• 34:33
  different
• 34:33
  twist
• 34:34
  from
• 34:34
  the
• 34:34
  way,
• 34:34
  for
• 34:35
  example,
• 34:35
  the
• 34:35
  existentialists
• 34:36
  do.
• 34:37
  And
• 34:37
  you
• 34:37
  say,
• 34:37
  and
• 34:38
  I'll
• 34:38
  quote,
• 34:39
  to
• 34:39
  authentically
• 34:40
  be
• 34:40
  oneself
• 34:41
  is
• 34:41
  to
• 34:42
  abide
• 34:42
  in
• 34:42
  what
• 34:43
  the
• 34:43
  logos,
• 34:44
  dynamism
• 34:44
  of
• 34:45
  being
• 34:45
  happens
• 34:46
  to
• 34:46
  be
• 34:46
  manifesting
• 34:47
  at
• 34:47
  that
• 34:47
  moment.
• 34:48
  You
• 34:48
  say
• 34:48
  one
• 34:48
  needs
• 34:49
  only
• 34:49
  to
• 34:49
  recognize
• 34:50
  what
• 34:50
  is
• 34:51
  manifesting
• 34:51
  in
• 34:51
  experience
• 34:53
  and
• 34:53
  realizing
• 34:54
  that
• 34:54
  that
• 34:54
  experience
• 34:55
  is
• 34:55
  the
• 34:56
  dynamism
• 34:57
  of
• 34:57
  the
• 34:57
  Absolute.
• 34:58
  And
• 34:59
  you
• 34:59
  may
• 34:59
  point
• 35:00
  out
• 35:00
  some
• 35:00
  implications
• 35:01
  that
• 35:01
  all
• 35:01
  we
• 35:01
  are
• 35:01
  called
• 35:02
  to
• 35:02
  do
• 35:02
  is
• 35:02
  simply
• 35:02
  to
• 35:03
  abide
• 35:03
  in
• 35:04
  as.
• 35:04
  To
• 35:05
  recognize
• 35:05
  and
• 35:05
  abide
• 35:06
  as,
• 35:06
  and
• 35:06
  allow
• 35:07
  whatever
• 35:08
  experience
• 35:09
  is
• 35:09
  emerging.
• 35:10
  Yeah.
• 35:11
  That
• 35:11
  has
• 35:11
  become
• 35:12
  the
• 35:12
  modus
• 35:13
  operandi
• 35:14
  of
• 35:14
  this
• 35:14
  path,
• 35:15
  which
• 35:15
  is
• 35:16
  the
• 35:16
  practice
• 35:17
  is
• 35:17
  to
• 35:18
  be
• 35:18
  where
• 35:19
  we
• 35:19
  find
• 35:20
  ourself.
• 35:21
  Let
• 35:22
  it
• 35:22
  be
• 35:22
  completely
• 35:23
  abide
• 35:24
  in
• 35:24
  it
• 35:24
  and
• 35:24
  let
• 35:24
  it
• 35:24
  reveal
• 35:25
  its
• 35:25
  truth
• 35:26
  instead
• 35:26
  of
• 35:27
  trying
• 35:27
  to
• 35:27
  do
• 35:27
  something
• 35:28
  to
• 35:28
  it.
• 35:29
  And
• 35:30
  you're
• 35:30
  no
• 35:30
  longer
• 35:30
  trying
• 35:31
  to
• 35:31
  achieve
• 35:31
  this
• 35:31
  state
• 35:32
  of
• 35:33
  Nirvana
• 35:34
  or
• 35:34
  bliss
• 35:34
  or
• 35:35
  oneness.
• 35:36
  You
• 35:36
  go
• 35:37
  with
• 35:37
  the
• 35:37
  flow
• 35:38
  and
• 35:38
  you
• 35:38
  surrender
• 35:39
  to
• 35:39
  already
• 35:40
  being
• 35:40
  achieved.
• 35:41
  Right.
• 35:42
  But
• 35:42
  you
• 35:43
  don't
• 35:43
  want
• 35:43
  to
• 35:43
  go
• 35:43
  back
• 35:43
  there.
• 35:44
  You.
• 35:44
  You
• 35:44
  just.
• 35:45
  No,
• 35:45
  it's
• 35:46
  not
• 35:46
  a
• 35:46
  matter
• 35:46
  of
• 35:46
  going
• 35:46
  back
• 35:47
  or
• 35:47
  not.
• 35:47
  And
• 35:48
  you
• 35:48
  know,
• 35:48
  you
• 35:48
  realize
• 35:49
  you
• 35:49
  don't
• 35:50
  leave
• 35:50
  it,
• 35:50
  really.
• 35:52
  And
• 35:52
  then
• 35:52
  Nirvana
• 35:53
  comes
• 35:53
  into
• 35:54
  Samsara
• 35:55
  and
• 35:55
  becomes
• 35:56
  one
• 35:56
  with
• 35:56
  it.
• 35:57
  And
• 35:57
  the
• 35:57
  Buddha
• 35:58
  saying,
• 35:58
  samsara
• 35:59
  and
• 35:59
  Nirvana
• 35:59
  are
• 35:59
  actually
• 36:00
  two
• 36:00
  sides
• 36:00
  of
• 36:00
  the
• 36:00
  same
• 36:01
  thing.
• 36:02
  And
• 36:03
  that's
• 36:03
  what
• 36:04
  realization
• 36:05
  that
• 36:05
  shows
• 36:05
  that
• 36:06
  to
• 36:06
  be
• 36:06
  the
• 36:06
  case,
• 36:06
  that
• 36:07
  Nirvana
• 36:07
  comes
• 36:08
  into
• 36:08
  the
• 36:09
  world
• 36:09
  of
• 36:09
  Samsara
• 36:10
  and
• 36:10
  fills
• 36:11
  it.
• 36:12
  Yes.
• 36:12
  In
• 36:13
  this
• 36:13
  chapter
• 36:13
  you
• 36:13
  call
• 36:13
  it
• 36:14
  Quintessence,
• 36:15
  where
• 36:15
  the
• 36:15
  transcendent
• 36:16
  and
• 36:16
  the
• 36:16
  imminent
• 36:18
  are
• 36:18
  one.
• 36:19
  Yeah.
• 36:20
  And
• 36:20
  this
• 36:21
  part
• 36:22
  of
• 36:22
  the
• 36:22
  journey
• 36:22
  of
• 36:23
  descent.
• 36:24
  I
• 36:24
  discuss
• 36:25
  several
• 36:26
  dimensions
• 36:27
  that
• 36:28
  arise
• 36:29
  after
• 36:30
  the
• 36:30
  Absolute,
• 36:30
  where
• 36:31
  each
• 36:31
  one
• 36:31
  of
• 36:31
  them
• 36:32
  is
• 36:32
  an
• 36:32
  integration
• 36:33
  into
• 36:33
  the
• 36:33
  Absolute
• 36:34
  appears
• 36:35
  integrated
• 36:35
  with
• 36:35
  another
• 36:36
  dimension
• 36:37
  of
• 36:38
  two
• 36:38
  names,
• 36:38
  and
• 36:39
  in
• 36:39
  a
• 36:39
  dimension
• 36:39
  of
• 36:39
  its
• 36:40
  own
• 36:40
  manifestation.
• 36:41
  Now,
• 36:41
  we
• 36:41
  have
• 36:42
  discovered
• 36:42
  before
• 36:42
  at
• 36:43
  the
• 36:43
  ultimate,
• 36:43
  now,
• 36:44
  as
• 36:44
  you
• 36:44
  know,
• 36:45
  one
• 36:45
  surface,
• 36:46
  one
• 36:46
  layer
• 36:47
  out
• 36:47
  of
• 36:47
  the
• 36:47
  Absolute.
• 36:48
  And
• 36:49
  so
• 36:49
  there's
• 36:50
  integration,
• 36:51
  different
• 36:51
  dimensions
• 36:51
  that
• 36:52
  arise.
• 36:53
  That's
• 36:53
  why
• 36:53
  I
• 36:53
  call
• 36:54
  them.
• 36:54
  I
• 36:55
  talk
• 36:55
  about
• 36:56
  the
• 36:56
  core
• 36:57
  dimension,
• 36:57
  the
• 36:58
  integrated
• 36:58
  dimension,
• 36:59
  and
• 37:00
  I
• 37:00
  get
• 37:00
  to
• 37:01
  what
• 37:01
  I
• 37:01
  call
• 37:01
  the
• 37:01
  quintessential
• 37:02
  dimension,
• 37:03
  which
• 37:04
  is
• 37:04
  the
• 37:05
  full
• 37:06
  integration,
• 37:08
  the
• 37:08
  full
• 37:08
  complete
• 37:09
  integration
• 37:10
  of
• 37:10
  all
• 37:10
  dimensions
• 37:12
  into
• 37:12
  the
• 37:12
  Absolute.
• 37:14
  And
• 37:14
  that
• 37:14
  is
• 37:15
  what
• 37:15
  I
• 37:15
  call
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  quintessence.
• 37:17
  The
• 37:18
  quintessence
• 37:18
  is,
• 37:18
  but
• 37:19
  interestingly
• 37:20
  is
• 37:20
  what
• 37:21
  some
• 37:21
  of
• 37:21
  the
• 37:21
  Eastern
• 37:22
  teaching
• 37:22
  take
• 37:22
  to
• 37:23
  be
• 37:23
  the
• 37:23
  true
• 37:24
  nature,
• 37:24
  the
• 37:24
  ultimate
• 37:25
  nature.
• 37:26
  I
• 37:26
  think,
• 37:26
  for
• 37:26
  instance,
• 37:27
  I
• 37:28
  won't
• 37:29
  be
• 37:29
  surprised
• 37:29
  of
• 37:30
  Dzogchen
• 37:31
  or
• 37:31
  Mahamudra
• 37:32
  think
• 37:33
  of
• 37:33
  the
• 37:33
  quintessence
• 37:34
  as
• 37:35
  the
• 37:36
  ultimate,
• 37:36
  or
• 37:36
  what
• 37:36
  they
• 37:36
  call
• 37:37
  the
• 37:37
  dharmakaya,
• 37:38
  because
• 37:39
  it
• 37:39
  is
• 37:40
  the
• 37:40
  absolute,
• 37:40
  as
• 37:41
  is
• 37:41
  not
• 37:41
  separate
• 37:42
  from
• 37:42
  awareness,
• 37:43
  from
• 37:44
  presence.
• 37:46
  Like
• 37:46
  absence
• 37:47
  and
• 37:47
  presence
• 37:48
  are
• 37:48
  two
• 37:49
  sides
• 37:49
  of
• 37:49
  the
• 37:50
  same
• 37:50
  thing.
• 37:50
  They're
• 37:51
  completely
• 37:51
  inseparable,
• 37:52
  absolute,
• 37:53
  which
• 37:53
  is
• 37:53
  complete,
• 37:54
  non
• 37:54
  existence.
• 37:55
  Nothing
• 37:56
  really
• 37:57
  and
• 37:58
  nothing
• 37:59
  can
• 37:59
  be
• 37:59
  found.
• 38:00
  It's
• 38:01
  a
• 38:01
  mysterious
• 38:02
  something.
• 38:02
  Nothing
• 38:03
  can
• 38:03
  be
• 38:03
  found.
• 38:03
  It
• 38:04
  has
• 38:04
  such
• 38:04
  power,
• 38:06
  most
• 38:06
  power
• 38:06
  there
• 38:06
  is,
• 38:07
  for
• 38:08
  nothing
• 38:08
  at
• 38:08
  all.
• 38:11
  It
• 38:11
  is
• 38:11
  very
• 38:11
  paradoxical
• 38:12
  how
• 38:12
  that
• 38:13
  happens
• 38:13
  actually,
• 38:13
  because
• 38:14
  there's
• 38:15
  nothing.
• 38:16
  It
• 38:16
  erases
• 38:17
  everything
• 38:18
  in
• 38:18
  its
• 38:18
  way,
• 38:18
  it's
• 38:19
  that
• 38:19
  powerful.
• 38:21
  But
• 38:22
  most
• 38:22
  people
• 38:22
  think
• 38:23
  for
• 38:23
  something
• 38:23
  to
• 38:23
  have
• 38:23
  power,
• 38:24
  it
• 38:24
  has
• 38:24
  to
• 38:24
  be
• 38:24
  something.
• 38:25
  It
• 38:25
  has
• 38:25
  to
• 38:25
  have
• 38:25
  substance.
• 38:27
  The
• 38:27
  absence
• 38:28
  of
• 38:28
  substance
• 38:28
  is
• 38:28
  what
• 38:29
  gives
• 38:29
  us
• 38:29
  its
• 38:29
  power.
• 38:30
  Absence
• 38:31
  of
• 38:31
  substance
• 38:31
  make
• 38:32
  everything
• 38:32
  lose
• 38:32
  its
• 38:33
  substance
• 38:33
  as
• 38:33
  it
• 38:33
  touches.
• 38:35
  And
• 38:35
  here,
• 38:36
  however,
• 38:36
  this
• 38:37
  absence
• 38:37
  of
• 38:38
  substance
• 38:38
  integrates
• 38:39
  substance,
• 38:40
  integrates
• 38:41
  awareness,
• 38:42
  integrates
• 38:42
  present,
• 38:42
  integrate
• 38:43
  love
• 38:43
  back
• 38:44
  into
• 38:44
  itself
• 38:45
  to
• 38:45
  make
• 38:45
  one
• 38:46
  whole
• 38:47
  and
• 38:47
  that
• 38:48
  then
• 38:48
  all
• 38:48
  of
• 38:49
  it
• 38:49
  together,
• 38:50
  completely
• 38:50
  co
• 38:51
  emerging,
• 38:51
  completely
• 38:52
  interpervading,
• 38:54
  without
• 38:56
  separation,
• 38:57
  without
• 38:57
  distinction
• 38:57
  in
• 38:58
  what
• 38:58
  I
• 38:58
  call
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  quintessence.
• 39:00
  Okay,
• 39:01
  I
• 39:01
  have
• 39:01
  a
• 39:01
  have
• 39:02
  a
• 39:02
  question.
• 39:02
  And
• 39:03
  part
• 39:03
  of
• 39:03
  this
• 39:03
  journey
• 39:03
  of
• 39:04
  dissent,
• 39:05
  when
• 39:05
  you're
• 39:06
  there,
• 39:08
  it
• 39:08
  calls
• 39:08
  on
• 39:08
  you
• 39:09
  to
• 39:10
  express
• 39:11
  this
• 39:11
  in
• 39:12
  relationships
• 39:13
  and
• 39:13
  action,
• 39:13
  in
• 39:14
  service
• 39:14
  and
• 39:14
  contribution.
• 39:16
  Again,
• 39:16
  we
• 39:16
  touched
• 39:17
  on
• 39:17
  it.
• 39:17
  You're
• 39:17
  sharing
• 39:18
  what
• 39:18
  you're
• 39:18
  teaching
• 39:19
  to
• 39:19
  the
• 39:19
  world.
• 39:19
  But
• 39:20
  people
• 39:20
  who
• 39:20
  are
• 39:20
  in
• 39:21
  this
• 39:21
  process
• 39:21
  are
• 39:21
  naturally
• 39:22
  going
• 39:22
  to
• 39:22
  be
• 39:23
  manifest
• 39:23
  certain
• 39:24
  traits
• 39:25
  such
• 39:25
  that
• 39:25
  being
• 39:25
  of
• 39:26
  service,
• 39:26
  being
• 39:26
  compassionate,
• 39:27
  being
• 39:27
  kind,
• 39:28
  this
• 39:28
  sort
• 39:29
  of
• 39:29
  thing.
• 39:29
  And
• 39:30
  is
• 39:30
  there
• 39:30
  such
• 39:31
  a
• 39:31
  thing
• 39:31
  as
• 39:31
  false
• 39:32
  dissent
• 39:32
  by
• 39:33
  someone
• 39:33
  who
• 39:33
  claims,
• 39:34
  you
• 39:34
  know,
• 39:35
  that
• 39:35
  they've
• 39:36
  reached
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  top
• 39:36
  of
• 39:37
  the
• 39:37
  mountain,
• 39:37
  but
• 39:38
  when
• 39:38
  they
• 39:38
  come
• 39:39
  back,
• 39:39
  they
• 39:39
  really
• 39:39
  haven't
• 39:40
  done
• 39:40
  the
• 39:41
  work
• 39:41
  or
• 39:41
  they're
• 39:42
  really
• 39:42
  not
• 39:42
  something's
• 39:43
  amiss.
• 39:44
  Stay
• 39:45
  tuned
• 39:45
  for
• 39:45
  part
• 39:46
  two
• 39:46
  of
• 39:46
  our
• 39:46
  17th
• 39:47
  dialogue
• 39:48
  with
• 39:48
  Hameed
• 39:48
  Ali,
• 39:49
  where
• 39:49
  we
• 39:49
  continue
• 39:50
  to
• 39:50
  explore
• 39:50
  the
• 39:51
  journey
• 39:51
  of
• 39:51
  dissent,
• 39:51
  the
• 39:52
  necessity
• 39:52
  of
• 39:53
  this
• 39:53
  journey
• 39:53
  and
• 39:54
  the
• 39:54
  challenges
• 39:54
  that
• 39:55
  arise.
• 39:56
  Thank
• 39:56
  you
• 39:56
  very
• 39:56
  much
• 39:57
  for
• 39:57
  being
• 39:57
  a
• 39:57
  part
• 39:58
  of
• 39:58
  this
• 39:58
  conversation.
• 39:59
  We
• 39:59
  hope
• 39:59
  that
• 39:59
  you
• 40:00
  were
• 40:00
  moved,
• 40:00
  as
• 40:01
  we
• 40:01
  are
• 40:01
  moved,
• 40:01
  being
• 40:02
  part
• 40:02
  of
• 40:02
  it
• 40:02
  ourselves.
• 40:03
  We'd
• 40:03
  also
• 40:04
  like
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  say
• 40:04
  that
• 40:04
  this
• 40:05
  is
• 40:05
  being
• 40:05
  funded
• 40:06
  by
• 40:06
  Roger
• 40:06
  and
• 40:07
  myself.
• 40:07
  It
• 40:07
  comes
• 40:07
  out
• 40:07
  of
• 40:07
  our
• 40:08
  pockets.
• 40:08
  So
• 40:08
  if
• 40:08
  you
• 40:08
  would
• 40:09
  like
• 40:09
  to
• 40:09
  help
• 40:09
  us
• 40:10
  to
• 40:10
  mainly
• 40:11
  to
• 40:11
  get
• 40:11
  this
• 40:11
  podcast
• 40:12
  out
• 40:12
  to
• 40:12
  more
• 40:12
  people
• 40:13
  because
• 40:13
  the
• 40:13
  bigger
• 40:13
  audience
• 40:14
  have,
• 40:14
  which
• 40:14
  is
• 40:14
  steadily
• 40:15
  growing,
• 40:15
  but
• 40:15
  the
• 40:15
  more
• 40:16
  people
• 40:16
  we
• 40:16
  can
• 40:16
  reach
• 40:16
  and
• 40:17
  the
• 40:17
  more
• 40:17
  marketing
• 40:17
  we
• 40:18
  can
• 40:18
  do,
• 40:18
  the
• 40:18
  more
• 40:19
  positive
• 40:19
  effect
• 40:19
  we
• 40:20
  can
• 40:20
  have
• 40:20
  on
• 40:20
  the
• 40:20
  world.
• 40:21
  So
• 40:21
  we've
• 40:21
  done
• 40:21
  that
• 40:21
  a
• 40:22
  couple
• 40:22
  of
• 40:22
  ways,
• 40:22
  but
• 40:22
  we'd
• 40:22
  like
• 40:23
  you
• 40:23
  to
• 40:23
  buy
• 40:23
  us
• 40:23
  a
• 40:24
  cup
• 40:24
  of
• 40:24
  coffee.
• 40:24
  Very
• 40:25
  simple.
• 40:25
  And
• 40:25
  I
• 40:25
  do
• 40:25
  that
• 40:26
  with
• 40:26
  podcasts
• 40:27
  that
• 40:27
  I
• 40:27
  support
• 40:28
  and
• 40:28
  I
• 40:28
  find
• 40:29
  it's
• 40:29
  very
• 40:29
  satisfying.
• 40:30
  So
• 40:30
  thank
• 40:30
  you
• 40:31
  for
• 40:31
  your
• 40:31
  help,
• 40:31
  thank
• 40:32
  you
• 40:32
  for
• 40:32
  your
• 40:32
  presence
• 40:32
  and
• 40:33
  thank
• 40:33
  you
• 40:33
  for
• 40:33
  all
• 40:33
  you
• 40:34
  are
• 40:34
  and
• 40:34
  all
• 40:34
  you
• 40:35
  do.
• 40:35
  We
• 40:35
  love
• 40:35
  you.