Latest / DISGRACELAND / AC/DC Pt. 2 (Rewind): Dirty Deeds, Dead Friends, and Murder for Hire
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- 0:00Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're dipping into the archive again, into
- 0:02Speaker 1: our ACDC story. This is part two. This was released
- 0:05Speaker 1: about a year ago, November of 2025, a couple of
- 0:09Speaker 1: years after part one. I decided that there was more
- 0:12Speaker 1: left on the ACDC bone. ACDC is one of my
- 0:14Speaker 1: favorite bands of all time. And I really wanted to
- 0:17Speaker 1: tell the story of Phil Rudd, their drummer, and the
- 0:20Speaker 1: murder for hire saga that was going on. And I
- 0:23Speaker 1: wanted to get more into Malcolm Young as well, who
- 0:26Speaker 1: was really the engine behind ACDC, who passed away some
- 0:30Speaker 1: years ago. Just one of the greatest, greatest rock and
- 0:33Speaker 1: roll guitarists of all time. Angus gets a lot of
- 0:36Speaker 1: the attention, but Malcolm was the engine. Anyways, this story
- 0:39Speaker 1: is crazy, as is the story of ACDC's manager and
- 0:43Speaker 1: his murder. And of course, the whole Phil Rudd of
- 0:46Speaker 1: it all. ACDC, still out there touring. Still out there
- 0:49Speaker 1: doing it. You ever seen ACDC? What do you think?
- 0:52Speaker 1: You seen him lately? Let me know. Let me know
- 0:54Speaker 1: what you think of the episode. Here's ACDC part two.
- 0:58Speaker 1: In Disgraceland. Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This
- 1:13Speaker 1: is a story about contract killings, death threats, drinking with ghosts, rock,
- 1:20Speaker 1: and roll. And a part two continuation of our story
- 1:23Speaker 1: on one of the greatest bands of all time, ACDC.
- 1:27Speaker 1: A band that made great music. Yes, some of the
- 1:31Speaker 1: greatest rock and roll music these years have ever heard.
- 1:34Speaker 1: Unlike that music I played for you at the top
- 1:36Speaker 1: of the show. That wasn't great music. That was a
- 1:39Speaker 1: preset loop from my Mellotron called Jack and Bloke MK1.
- 1:45Speaker 1: I played you that loop because I can't afford the
- 1:48Speaker 1: rights to Shake It Off by Taylor Swift. Then why
- 1:51Speaker 1: would I play you that specific slice of pre-Kelsey cheese?
- 1:55Speaker 1: Could I afford it? Because that was the number one
- 1:59Speaker 1: song in America on November 16th, 2014. And that was
- 2:05Speaker 1: the day ACDC's Phil Rudd was arrested on charges that
- 2:09Speaker 1: would make the musician seem strangely alike one of the
- 2:12Speaker 1: murderous characters in one of the band's best songs, Dirty
- 2:16Speaker 1: Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. On this episode, Concrete Shoes, Cyanide, Neckties, Contracts,
- 2:25Speaker 1: High Voltage, and Part 2 ACBC's story. I'm Jake Brennan,
- 2:31Speaker 1: and this is Disgraceland. Chapter 1. Do anything you want
- 3:00Speaker 1: me to. To transmitters in Queensland and the Northern Territory,
- 3:07Speaker 1: this is ABC.
- 3:08Speaker 2: Meet this honest John, the villain of the year. A
- 3:12Speaker 2: crummy crumb, a no-good bum who sports a sneaky sneer.
- 3:17Speaker 1: Watch the birdie.
- 3:19Speaker 2: You think I was kidding when I said I'd be
- 3:21Speaker 2: glad to knock you off? I have some gorgonzola for
- 3:26Speaker 2: his little schnozola.
- 3:30Speaker 1: Shazmat. No, no, no, no. Angus and Malcolm Young of
- 3:38Speaker 1: ACDC never forgot where they came from. The working class.
- 3:43Speaker 1: The kind of home where the television babysat the kids
- 3:46Speaker 1: because there was no other option. And they never forgot
- 3:49Speaker 1: what made them. Family. The two brothers launched their band
- 3:53Speaker 1: in the early 70s under the guidance of their older brother, George, who,
- 3:57Speaker 1: along with his friend Harry Vanda, had already achieved pop
- 4:00Speaker 1: chart success with his band, The Easy Beats. The Easy
- 4:04Speaker 1: Beats single, Friday on My Mind, reached number 16 on
- 4:07Speaker 1: the Billboard Hot 100 in America in 1966 and was
- 4:11Speaker 1: covered by David Bowie on his album, Pin Ups, in 73.
- 4:16Speaker 1: In the environment that Angus and Malcolm were raised in,
- 4:20Speaker 1: hard work and disciplines were of utmost importance. It didn't
- 4:24Speaker 1: matter if you were mixing cement, as their father had done,
- 4:27Speaker 1: or playing guitar in a band with your brother on
- 4:29Speaker 1: stage and your other brother behind the board. Concrete shoes, cyanide, neckties,
- 4:36Speaker 1: contract killings, this kind of work, the dirty deeds, the
- 4:40Speaker 1: kind that Dishonest John promised to deliver dirt cheap. Dishonest
- 4:44Speaker 1: John was a character from Angus' favorite cartoon growing up,
- 4:48Speaker 1: The Beanie and Cecil Show. Even this type of work
- 4:52Speaker 1: required discipline. But for Angus and Malcolm, who in 1975
- 4:58Speaker 1: were putting together the lyrics with ACDC singer Bon Scott
- 5:01Speaker 1: for their third album, contract killings and the like were
- 5:05Speaker 1: just violent fantasy. Typical of the type of transgressions demonstrated
- 5:10Speaker 1: by the characters dreamed up by Bon. Men on the
- 5:14Speaker 1: outer edge of society, thieves, broke-down dreamers, schemers, stalkers, and yes,
- 5:19Speaker 1: even killers. Men on the Fringe, like the main character
- 5:23Speaker 1: in the title track from their forthcoming album, Dirty Deeds
- 5:27Speaker 1: Done Dirt Cheap. A song inspired partly by Bond's vivid imagination,
- 5:32Speaker 1: partly from Angus' childhood infatuation with the Dishonest John cartoon character,
- 5:37Speaker 1: and partly from those bad, bad men Humphrey Bogart portrayed
- 5:41Speaker 1: in his early films. The song, Dirty Deeds, was great,
- 5:46Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Beneath the story of Bond's bad,
- 5:50Speaker 1: bad man hiring himself out to solve his customers' problems
- 5:54Speaker 1: with all manner of criminal violence and in typical Bond
- 5:57Speaker 1: humor to do so cheaply, beneath all of that, there
- 6:00Speaker 1: was a killer riff and a rhythm that swung. ACDC
- 6:07Speaker 1: is often categorized as being a hard rock band, but
- 6:11Speaker 1: that couldn't be more untrue. ACDC is a rock and
- 6:16Speaker 1: roll band. The rock part of the equation is the
- 6:20Speaker 1: part that sounds hard, and the roll part is the
- 6:23Speaker 1: part that's hard to do. It's the part that swings.
- 6:27Speaker 1: Think of the Rolling Stones. Hard riffs from Keith, but
- 6:30Speaker 1: songs that feel good and make you want to dance
- 6:32Speaker 1: because of Charlie. Because Charlie Watts knew how to swing.
- 6:36Speaker 1: The swing is subtle. Most rock bands get it wrong.
- 6:40Speaker 1: And well, they're not rock and roll bands. They're just
- 6:44Speaker 1: rock bands. Malcolm Young was... hell-bent on being a rock
- 6:50Speaker 1: and roll band. Being just a rock band wasn't good enough.
- 6:54Speaker 1: You might as well be hauling concrete or watching cartoons.
- 6:57Speaker 1: Being in a great rock and roll band was something
- 6:59Speaker 1: that would last. And finally, on this album, on Dirty Deeds,
- 7:04Speaker 1: Malcolm had what he wanted. That's because now, after a
- 7:08Speaker 1: series of early releases with different bandmates, inconsistent repertoire and
- 7:13Speaker 1: distribution issues, ACDC seemed to finally be putting it all
- 7:17Speaker 1: together on one great full-length album that was bound to
- 7:22Speaker 1: break the band in America. Malcolm knew what anyone who
- 7:26Speaker 1: saw ACDC back in the 70s quickly learned. ACDC was
- 7:30Speaker 1: the greatest rock and roll band on the planet. Pete
- 7:33Speaker 1: Townshend from The Who saw them live and loved them.
- 7:36Speaker 1: Cheap Trick found other brothers from Down Under. Kiss was
- 7:40Speaker 1: intimidated by them. And Van Halen was afraid to follow
- 7:43Speaker 1: them on stage. ACDC was that good. And a big
- 7:48Speaker 1: reason why was because in addition to Angus' schoolboy guitar
- 7:52Speaker 1: hero antics and Bond's bad boy soul strip and Malcolm's
- 7:56Speaker 1: iron fist behind it all, ACDC had a drummer who
- 8:00Speaker 1: could swing. Phil Rudd. With Phil now behind the kit,
- 8:06Speaker 1: Malcolm Young was on his way to building a band
- 8:08Speaker 1: that was the rock and roll representation of raw, working-class power.
- 8:13Speaker 1: A machine that could withstand fame, addiction, death, and even murder.
- 8:22Speaker 1: But Atlantic Records didn't hear a single. And Dirty Deeds
- 8:25Speaker 1: Done Dirt Cheap was shelved in America. It disappeared into limbo, unreleased.
- 8:32Speaker 1: Not until years later did American audiences get to hear it.
- 8:35Speaker 1: For the time being, partly to prevent being dropped by
- 8:38Speaker 1: their label, and partly as a giant fuck you to
- 8:41Speaker 1: the label that clearly didn't believe in his band, Malcolm
- 8:44Speaker 1: Young took ACDC back into the studio and created a masterpiece,
- 8:51Speaker 1: 1977's Let There Be Rock. Let the label try to
- 8:53Speaker 1: ignore this. They couldn't. Neither could audiences. The band toured
- 8:59Speaker 1: relentlessly through Europe and America. ACDC quickly followed Let There
- 9:03Speaker 1: Be Rock with 1978's Powerage, quite literally the greatest rock
- 9:08Speaker 1: and roll album of all time, by the way, but
- 9:11Speaker 1: I'm not here to start arguments you can't win. I'm
- 9:13Speaker 1: here to tell you a story about dirty deeds, so
- 9:16Speaker 1: I'll just keep going. With Power Ridge came more touring
- 9:20Speaker 1: and plans for another record, this one to hopefully do
- 9:23Speaker 1: what others hadn't, break the band in America. But touring
- 9:28Speaker 1: was taking its toll, as touring does. People think that
- 9:32Speaker 1: the lives of touring musicians are glamorous, and to some extent,
- 9:37Speaker 1: It is dancing girls and champagne on ice, as Bon
- 9:40Speaker 1: Scott once sang, but it's also incredibly taxing physically and mentally.
- 9:46Speaker 1: It'll drive even the best of them crazy. And people
- 9:49Speaker 1: also think that being in a band is being part
- 9:51Speaker 1: of a brotherhood, and it most definitely is. But the
- 9:55Speaker 1: part that often gets left out is, what if one
- 9:57Speaker 1: of your brothers goes shithouse nuts every now and again?
- 10:00Speaker 1: What then? Every band knows what I'm talking about. Bon
- 10:04Speaker 1: Scott definitely knew about this. So much so that in 1978,
- 10:08Speaker 1: he took some time off from partying on the road
- 10:11Speaker 1: to write a letter to his sister. Valerie, Bon wrote
- 10:17Speaker 1: on Hilton Stationery. Well, as you can see, Bond's in
- 10:21Speaker 1: downtown Pittsburgh today. I've just come over from the West
- 10:24Speaker 1: Coast where I spent a couple of days in L.A.
- 10:26Speaker 1: doing Midnight Special. Bond goes on, and you can feel
- 10:30Speaker 1: the natural charm in his words and the sweetness he
- 10:33Speaker 1: has in reserve for his sibling. You can also instantly
- 10:36Speaker 1: feel his concern for a friend. Bond is telling Valerie
- 10:41Speaker 1: that he's scouting drummers to fill in for ACDC's Phil Rudd, saying, quote,
- 10:46Speaker 1: Phil had a bit of a nervous breakdown. And Bond
- 10:49Speaker 1: goes on to say that Phil had to spend a
- 10:51Speaker 1: lot of time with the shrink, and that it was
- 10:54Speaker 1: real bad, but luckily he got over it quickly enough
- 10:57Speaker 1: not to upset the band. And we had to treat
- 10:59Speaker 1: him with kid gloves for a bit, but he's okay now.
- 11:05Speaker 1: According to Bond Scott, Phil Rudd had gone a bit
- 11:08Speaker 1: off the rails. A loose cannon drummer was exactly the
- 11:12Speaker 1: type of drummer a musician as serious-minded as Malcolm Young
- 11:15Speaker 1: could not abide. Yet Malcolm needed Phil. Malcolm had played
- 11:20Speaker 1: with other drummers, and other drummers were a dead end.
- 11:23Speaker 1: Phil swung in a special way, and Malcolm couldn't go
- 11:27Speaker 1: back to the way it was, to being just a
- 11:29Speaker 1: rock band. So Malcolm closed ranks, dealt with Phil's problem internally,
- 11:34Speaker 1: and kept trudging toward success in America with Phil behind
- 11:37Speaker 1: the kit for the recording of the band's next album, again,
- 11:41Speaker 1: the one they hoped would break them in the States.
- 11:44Speaker 1: But now the label was interfering once more, and for
- 11:47Speaker 1: this next record, ACDC would need to part ways with
- 11:50Speaker 1: their longtime producer, their brother, George Young, and work with
- 11:54Speaker 1: someone who better understood what American audiences were looking for.
- 11:58Speaker 1: The meddling stung. Being forced to break the bond with
- 12:02Speaker 1: their older brother stung even worse. Atlantic suggested legendary producer
- 12:08Speaker 1: Eddie Kramer, he of Jimi Hendrix fame. Eddie Kramer suggested
- 12:12Speaker 1: Malcolm and Angus record the young rascals Good Lovin' as
- 12:16Speaker 1: their first single. Malcolm called his manager and told him
- 12:19Speaker 1: to get Eddie Kramer the fuck out of the studio
- 12:21Speaker 1: and on the first thing smoking back to wherever the
- 12:23Speaker 1: hell he came from. Atlantic then shipped in Mutt Lang,
- 12:27Speaker 1: fresh off crafting a number one hit for the Boomtown Rats.
- 12:31Speaker 1: Mutt told Malcolm and Bond that the backing vocals on
- 12:34Speaker 1: the demos needed to be sung in a certain way.
- 12:37Speaker 1: Malcolm told Mutt he wasn't no dirty Boomtown Rat singing
- 12:41Speaker 1: for the charts. Mutt then went in and sang the
- 12:44Speaker 1: suggested vocal part perfectly. Malcolm took the note, and so
- 12:49Speaker 1: did Bon. Mutt was on another level, and he understood
- 12:53Speaker 1: what made ACDC work. For the most part, he just
- 12:56Speaker 1: got out of the way and let them cook. What
- 12:59Speaker 1: emerged was a masterpiece, Highway to Hell. The album did
- 13:04Speaker 1: for the band what It and Atlantic had long hoped
- 13:06Speaker 1: to achieve. It broke them in America. To date, the
- 13:10Speaker 1: album has sold almost 8 million copies in the United
- 13:13Speaker 1: States and more than 15 million worldwide. But if ACDC
- 13:18Speaker 1: was going to be built to last, there was another
- 13:20Speaker 1: mile marker on the highway to pass. Even greater success.
- 13:25Speaker 1: International success. Malcolm was relentless, a workhorse. He and Angus
- 13:31Speaker 1: wrote tirelessly for what they were certain would be an
- 13:35Speaker 1: album that would blow the rest of the world wide
- 13:37Speaker 1: open for ACDC. As 1980 progressed and high school kids
- 13:41Speaker 1: across the United States dug into the massive riffs on
- 13:44Speaker 1: Highway to Hell, The band was already set to record
- 13:48Speaker 1: a follow-up. Now it was Bon's turn. He looked up
- 13:53Speaker 1: from the notebook he was writing in and closed it.
- 13:56Speaker 1: It was February in London. Cold and dreary. But Bon
- 14:00Speaker 1: was feeling celebratory. He'd done it. He'd finished writing the
- 14:05Speaker 1: lyrics for ACDC's next album. Finally. And so, it was
- 14:10Speaker 1: time to get drunk. There are no handbooks in rock
- 14:45Speaker 1: and roll. There's no index you can leaf through. No
- 14:49Speaker 1: dead singer section filed under D. Therefore, there were no
- 14:54Speaker 1: instructions for ACDC when they learned in February 1980 that
- 14:58Speaker 1: their singer, the inimitable and seemingly irreplaceable Bon Scott, had died.
- 15:04Speaker 1: One of Bon's girlfriends at the time, Silver Smith, claims
- 15:08Speaker 1: that Bond finished writing the lyrics for ACDC's next album
- 15:11Speaker 1: in the London flat that he was renting and went
- 15:13Speaker 1: out afterward to celebrate with his friends from the band
- 15:16Speaker 1: UFO at a club called The Music Machine. Bond then
- 15:19Speaker 1: blacked out drunk in the back of a Renault 5,
- 15:22Speaker 1: choked on his own vomit, and died senselessly. And now, Malcolm, Angus,
- 15:30Speaker 1: and everyone else in the ACDC camp was trying to
- 15:32Speaker 1: figure out how to get their dead singer back to Australia.
- 15:36Speaker 1: From first class on the plane while they waited to
- 15:39Speaker 1: fly out, you could see Bond's coffin coming down the
- 15:42Speaker 1: baggage conveyor belt, mixed in with the rest of the luggage.
- 15:46Speaker 1: Fuck this. Angus wouldn't have it. He wasn't flying home
- 15:50Speaker 1: first class with his friend being hauled underneath the plane
- 15:53Speaker 1: with the rest of the cargo. The band moved back
- 15:56Speaker 1: to coach and back to Australia. And Bond Scott was buried.
- 16:04Speaker 1: And then the band moved on through their grief. Each
- 16:07Speaker 1: band member, Malcolm, Angus, Phil, and bassist Cliff Williams worked tirelessly.
- 16:13Speaker 1: The first order of business was to find a replacement
- 16:16Speaker 1: for Bond, a task that seemed impossible, but somehow was
- 16:20Speaker 1: accomplished when they found Brian Johnson, a singer who once
- 16:24Speaker 1: impressed Bond and a singer who, as it's long been rumored,
- 16:28Speaker 1: was recommended to ACDC by a fan. Next up, they
- 16:32Speaker 1: needed to complete the album they started putting together before
- 16:34Speaker 1: Bond's death. When they emerged from the studio, they were
- 16:37Speaker 1: wielding a tribute to Bond called Back in Black, an
- 16:40Speaker 1: album that would sell ungodly amounts of records, largely on
- 16:44Speaker 1: the strength of the band's new songs, songs that fit
- 16:48Speaker 1: their new singer perfectly, and also on the strength of
- 16:51Speaker 1: the group's relentless touring. When all was said and done,
- 16:55Speaker 1: Back in Black did what Malcolm intended it to do,
- 16:58Speaker 1: broke the band beyond America, throughout the rest of the world.
- 17:02Speaker 1: It was a global smash. one that would go on
- 17:05Speaker 1: to sell 50 million copies and become the second biggest
- 17:08Speaker 1: selling full-length album of all time, behind only Michael Jackson's Thriller.
- 17:13Speaker 1: Back in Black's follow-up, For Those About to Rock, We
- 17:16Speaker 1: Salute You, sold incredibly well also, deepening ACDC's connection with
- 17:20Speaker 1: American gearheads and FM radio listeners. They continued to tour
- 17:25Speaker 1: and became, quite literally, the biggest band on the planet
- 17:28Speaker 1: before hunkering down to create their next album, Flick of
- 17:30Speaker 1: the Switch. And that's when the pressure of it all
- 17:33Speaker 1: started to grind the gears on Malcolm's well-oiled rock and
- 17:36Speaker 1: roll machine. Phil Rudd, ACDC's drummer, the man who rolled
- 17:49Speaker 1: and swung mightily, was coming apart again. He played nightly
- 17:54Speaker 1: to tens of thousands of adoring fans and did his
- 17:56Speaker 1: best to outrun the death of one of his best friends,
- 17:59Speaker 1: Bon Scott, all while enjoying the trappings of success Bond
- 18:02Speaker 1: always wanted but never achieved. It was a lot, and
- 18:06Speaker 1: the guilt was no doubt white hot. Phil cooled it
- 18:10Speaker 1: with alcohol, gallons and gallons of alcohol. Of course, in
- 18:15Speaker 1: rock and roll, drinking is not only tolerated, it's encouraged.
- 18:19Speaker 1: But for a band leader like Malcolm Young, the only
- 18:22Speaker 1: thing that was sacred was your playing. If the drink
- 18:25Speaker 1: impacted the gig, then you could get fucked. Offstage in
- 18:30Speaker 1: a hotel room in Nebraska, Phil Rudd was drinking with ghosts.
- 18:35Speaker 1: They were right there at the edge of his bed.
- 18:37Speaker 1: Who were these people pulling from the same bottle that
- 18:40Speaker 1: he was? Groupies, fans. Some spoke in adoring, kiss-ass tones.
- 18:46Speaker 1: Some taunted Phil. They talked of ACDC songs and fast cars,
- 18:50Speaker 1: and all Phil heard was Bond's voice. When one of them,
- 18:56Speaker 1: just a high school head, asked Phil for a light,
- 18:59Speaker 1: Phil heard Bon ask for a light. When the lady
- 19:03Speaker 1: with the dude who was icing her got frustrated and
- 19:05Speaker 1: wanted to know where the coke was, Phil heard Bon
- 19:09Speaker 1: question him. When two guys near the bathroom nearly came
- 19:12Speaker 1: to blows over a girl sitting on Phil's bed, Phil
- 19:15Speaker 1: heard Bon arguing with himself. Phil had a thought. Was
- 19:20Speaker 1: this it? Were the distractions, the gigs, the sessions, the responsibilities,
- 19:26Speaker 1: were they no longer enough? Phil may have been pissed drunk,
- 19:30Speaker 1: but he knew what this was. Unresolved grief finally coming
- 19:34Speaker 1: to the surface, bleeding out all over the room in
- 19:37Speaker 1: ghostly white heat, filling the atmosphere within these four walls
- 19:41Speaker 1: with a pressure he'd never imagined. Manifest in the words
- 19:45Speaker 1: of the fans, his new fair-weather friends, speaking in Bon
- 19:49Speaker 1: Scott's voice. and now increasingly in tongues. The sound of
- 19:53Speaker 1: it filled his head with dense pressure. It was intense,
- 19:57Speaker 1: more intense than the pressure of being on stage in
- 20:00Speaker 1: front of tens of thousands, and more intense than staring
- 20:03Speaker 1: down Malcolm, stronger than the fear of letting Angus down.
- 20:07Speaker 1: It was the pressure of admitting he was gone and
- 20:10Speaker 1: that there was nothing he or anyone else could do
- 20:13Speaker 1: about it. The bond was gone. And these fuckers in
- 20:18Speaker 1: the room had to go next. But Phil was helpless.
- 20:22Speaker 1: He called his road manager, Ian. Ian would know what
- 20:25Speaker 1: to do. Road managers always knew what to do. Ian
- 20:28Speaker 1: headed straight over to Phil's room to clear out the
- 20:30Speaker 1: groupies and the fans so that ACDC's drummer could get
- 20:33Speaker 1: some rest. But when Ian entered the room, It was empty.
- 20:39Speaker 1: Empty with the exception of Phil. And there were no groupies,
- 20:43Speaker 1: no fans, only a ghost. Phil Rudd had tripped beyond
- 20:49Speaker 1: some invisible line. And things would not get better. Phil
- 20:54Speaker 1: Rudd continued drinking with the ghost of Bon Scott. Until
- 20:57Speaker 1: on October 8th, 1983, Phil walked on stage in Uniondale,
- 21:02Speaker 1: New York, wasted, sat down behind his kit, and bashed
- 21:06Speaker 1: away until he fell off his stool in a piss-drunk stupor.
- 21:09Speaker 1: He recovered, sort of, and finished the set. Afterward, Malcolm
- 21:15Speaker 1: Young walked up to his drummer backstage and walloped him
- 21:18Speaker 1: in the face with his fist. That was it. Phil
- 21:21Speaker 1: could fuck off. He was out of the group, and
- 21:24Speaker 1: ACDC was now just another rock band. We'll be right
- 21:33Speaker 1: back after this word, word, word. Chapter four, the high
- 21:43Speaker 1: school head. Who said you needed a swing? Plenty of
- 21:49Speaker 1: bands who merely rocked had enjoyed massive success. It was
- 21:52Speaker 1: 1990 and the billboard charts were peppered with rock bands
- 21:56Speaker 1: turning on teenage heads all over the world. Jon Bon
- 22:00Speaker 1: Jovi made Jersey Girls swoon with Blaze of Glory, which
- 22:03Speaker 1: went to number one. Billy Idol rocked the Cradle of
- 22:06Speaker 1: Love all the way up to number two. Faith No
- 22:08Speaker 1: More soared into the top ten at number nine with
- 22:11Speaker 1: their single, Epic. And in the same year, Nelson, Heart,
- 22:15Speaker 1: and Skid Row all competed on the charts alongside ACDC's
- 22:19Speaker 1: single Thunderstruck, the band's biggest hit since You Shook Me
- 22:22Speaker 1: All Night Long, which drove their new album, The Razor's Edge,
- 22:26Speaker 1: to multi-platinum status. the band's best-selling record since Back in Black.
- 22:32Speaker 1: All of these songs were rock. Bon Jovi, Billy Idol, Nelson, Heart,
- 22:36Speaker 1: Skid Row, etc. They weren't rock and roll. Thunderstruck by
- 22:40Speaker 1: ACDC wasn't rock and roll either. It's about as meat
- 22:43Speaker 1: and potato as hard rock as you can get. It's great,
- 22:46Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but it isn't Highway to Hell
- 22:48Speaker 1: or Let There Be Rock. It doesn't come anywhere near
- 22:51Speaker 1: the greatness the band achieved creatively when Phil Rudd was
- 22:54Speaker 1: in the band. Neither were the full-length recordings that preceded
- 22:57Speaker 1: The Razor's Edge, or followed the last album to feature Phil,
- 23:01Speaker 1: which was Flick of the Switch. Those albums being Fly
- 23:04Speaker 1: on the Wall and Blow Up Your Video. Simon Wright
- 23:08Speaker 1: replaced Phil Rudd on those albums, and Chris Slade of
- 23:10Speaker 1: The Firm replaced Simon on The Razor's Edge. This was
- 23:15Speaker 1: a creative era of inconsistency for ACDC. Some fans, the purists,
- 23:21Speaker 1: blame Bon Scott's replacement, singer Brian Johnson, for the band's
- 23:25Speaker 1: lackluster recordings during this time. Specifically fly on the wall
- 23:29Speaker 1: and blow up your video. But Brian wasn't the issue.
- 23:32Speaker 1: The drumming was the issue. Sure, Malcolm made it work
- 23:36Speaker 1: with Thunderstruck, but deep down, I think he knew. They
- 23:40Speaker 1: weren't the same band without Phil Rudd. They weren't a
- 23:43Speaker 1: rock and roll band. And something needed to change. And
- 23:47Speaker 1: that something was brought on by the dirtiest of deeds. Murder.
- 23:57Speaker 1: Chapter 5. We'll get round him. We'll have ourselves a ball. Christmas, 1983.
- 24:05Speaker 1: ACDC is once again on top. One of the biggest
- 24:10Speaker 1: bands in the world. And their manager, Crispin Dye, had
- 24:13Speaker 1: many reasons to celebrate that evening in Sydney, Australia. There
- 24:17Speaker 1: was the success of the band he managed, and then
- 24:20Speaker 1: there was the joy he felt over releasing his own
- 24:22Speaker 1: debut album. So Crispin went out to hit the pubs.
- 24:27Speaker 1: Upon leaving one of those watering holes in the Darlinghurst neighborhood,
- 24:31Speaker 1: he was attacked. Three men, or was it just one?
- 24:37Speaker 1: It's doubtful Crispin ever saw the attack coming. The head
- 24:41Speaker 1: trauma likely came first from a blunt instrument, then the punches,
- 24:46Speaker 1: the kicks. When you fell, then your brain has been
- 24:49Speaker 1: so severely bashed that you can feel it loosening itself
- 24:52Speaker 1: from the inside of your skull. The hits to the
- 24:54Speaker 1: body don't really register. You're in shock, confused, and you
- 24:59Speaker 1: know something's happening to you, but you're not sure what.
- 25:03Speaker 1: There's fear, yes, but that fear isn't of your attackers.
- 25:07Speaker 1: It's deeper now. You can feel yourself slipping away. Holding
- 25:12Speaker 1: on is no longer a tangible challenge. It's metaphysical. and
- 25:16Speaker 1: you try to concentrate, but the hits keep on coming,
- 25:19Speaker 1: and your mind is pulling you into a darkness you've
- 25:22Speaker 1: never known. A darkness with a promise of peace so
- 25:25Speaker 1: real you can feel it wrap itself around you and
- 25:28Speaker 1: shield you from the pain being inflicted upon your body.
- 25:31Speaker 1: But there's a trade-off. Nothing's free. Slipping into that peace
- 25:36Speaker 1: means slipping into oblivion. So you fight. If not physically,
- 25:41Speaker 1: then mentally. You will yourself to survive. But when they
- 25:45Speaker 1: find you, You're unconscious, bloodied, broken, lying in the street
- 25:49Speaker 1: like a Christian thrown to the lions. And they gather
- 25:52Speaker 1: up what's left of you, because remarkably you're still breathing.
- 25:56Speaker 1: And they bring you to the hospital where you do
- 25:57Speaker 1: your best to hang on. But that pull towards something
- 26:00Speaker 1: better than what you've been given, it's too strong. So
- 26:04Speaker 1: you give in and succumb to your injuries the next day. Christmas,
- 26:10Speaker 1: the day you meet your maker at the age of
- 26:12Speaker 1: just 41. ACDC's manager, Crispin Dye, was murdered. They never
- 26:21Speaker 1: caught his killers. And this case is steeped in hate. First,
- 26:26Speaker 1: there was the supposed eyewitness accusation that three Pacific Islanders
- 26:29Speaker 1: were seen standing over Crispin's body, a lead that went nowhere.
- 26:33Speaker 1: And then there was the fact that Crispin was gay,
- 26:35Speaker 1: walking late at night in an area known for its
- 26:38Speaker 1: gay nightlife. But the death was investigated as a robbery,
- 26:42Speaker 1: not a hate crime. And nothing came of it. Until
- 26:45Speaker 1: in 2023, Thirty years later, it was revealed that the
- 26:50Speaker 1: forensic testing of Dye's bloodstained clothing had been botched by authorities.
- 26:54Speaker 1: And when the forensics were run again, a DNA match
- 26:57Speaker 1: linked the crime to a violent convicted felon with a
- 27:00Speaker 1: criminal history, including a 1993 assault with an iron bar,
- 27:07Speaker 1: a blunt instrument, and another attack of a tourist in Sydney.
- 27:11Speaker 1: That convicted felon killed himself in 2002. then the case
- 27:15Speaker 1: of the murder of ACDC's manager remains unsolved. What isn't
- 27:22Speaker 1: a mystery, however, is what this murder, this unfortunate event,
- 27:26Speaker 1: did for the band that Crispin Dye managed. At his funeral,
- 27:31Speaker 1: members of ACDC, past and present, were in attendance. And
- 27:35Speaker 1: this was where Malcolm Young ran into Phil Rudd for
- 27:38Speaker 1: the first time in years and was reminded of what
- 27:40Speaker 1: he'd been missing in ACDC. that dirty swing that only
- 27:44Speaker 1: Phil was capable of bringing. You would think that a
- 27:48Speaker 1: guy in Malcolm Young's position in 1994 would be content.
- 27:53Speaker 1: He was a guitarist in a massive band, a band
- 27:56Speaker 1: he built with his brothers. So it was more than
- 27:58Speaker 1: a band, it was a giant, successful family business. He'd
- 28:02Speaker 1: written and recorded iconic music that would outlive him for decades.
- 28:07Speaker 1: He had the respect of his peers and heroes, the
- 28:10Speaker 1: Rolling Stones... They famously offered ACDC millions of dollars to
- 28:14Speaker 1: open up for them for one show, and Malcolm said no,
- 28:17Speaker 1: because ACDC opened for no one, not even his heroes.
- 28:22Speaker 1: Malcolm's band made him more money than he'd ever be
- 28:25Speaker 1: able to spend, so why mess around with what was
- 28:29Speaker 1: clearly working? Because true artists never rest. There's always a
- 28:35Speaker 1: fear that if what you're making isn't great, then everything,
- 28:38Speaker 1: all of it, will disappear. Malcolm Young from his earliest
- 28:43Speaker 1: days in ACDC wanted a band that could last, that
- 28:45Speaker 1: could not be toppled by an outside force. And that
- 28:48Speaker 1: meant staying true to what he and his brother believed
- 28:51Speaker 1: was the best version of rock and roll they grew
- 28:53Speaker 1: up on and set out to make. Thunderstruck wasn't enough
- 28:57Speaker 1: because Malcolm knew there was a version of ACDC that
- 29:00Speaker 1: was better. And that version had to include the wild
- 29:03Speaker 1: card Phil Rudd on drums. The encounter at the funeral
- 29:09Speaker 1: set off a chain of events that would end with
- 29:11Speaker 1: Phil replacing Chris Slade and taking back his rightful seat
- 29:15Speaker 1: behind the kit in 1994, first with an informal jam
- 29:18Speaker 1: session with Angus and Malcolm, and then in rehearsals for
- 29:21Speaker 1: the band's next album, Ballbreaker, produced with Rick Rubin. The
- 29:26Speaker 1: idea was that, with Phil back, Rubin would shepherd the
- 29:29Speaker 1: band to its stripped-down 70s sound. But that didn't really
- 29:33Speaker 1: work out. Rick Rubin and Malcolm and Angus clashed creatively.
- 29:37Speaker 1: and the album suffered as a result. ACDC's real return
- 29:42Speaker 1: to form didn't come until the next album, 2000's Stiff
- 29:46Speaker 1: Upper Lip, produced by Malcolm and Angus' brother, George Young.
- 29:51Speaker 1: After Atlantic Records forced George out before Highway to Hell,
- 29:54Speaker 1: his reunion with the band was a reset Malcolm had
- 29:57Speaker 1: been waiting for. With Phil Rudd anchoring the rhythm and
- 30:01Speaker 1: George behind the board, ACDC once again sounded exactly as
- 30:05Speaker 1: Malcolm always knew the band should. Stiff Upper Lip may
- 30:09Speaker 1: be an overlooked record from ACDC's catalog, but it's the
- 30:12Speaker 1: band's best record with Brian Johnson that's not named Back
- 30:15Speaker 1: in Black. And after nearly two decades of creative inconsistency,
- 30:20Speaker 1: the band was ready to charge into the new millennium
- 30:22Speaker 1: with the same white-hot intensity they'd owned in the 70s.
- 30:26Speaker 1: But along the way, Malcolm would face challenges to that vision.
- 30:31Speaker 1: And none of those challenges was more shocking than when
- 30:34Speaker 1: Phil Rudd once again stopped drumming for ACDC and became
- 30:38Speaker 1: a real-life character ripped from the lyrics of Dirty Deeds
- 30:41Speaker 1: Done Dirty. A true dishonest John. Time to do my
- 30:48Speaker 1: bad deeds for the day. We'll get back into this
- 31:08Speaker 1: story in a couple seconds, guys. But I wanted to
- 31:09Speaker 1: bring up what you may have heard me mention in
- 31:11Speaker 1: the last block. The fact that Bon Scott's girlfriend claimed
- 31:15Speaker 1: that he actually finished the lyrics for ACDC's next album
- 31:18Speaker 1: before he died. That would be the Back in Black album.
- 31:23Speaker 1: But Bon Scott isn't credited as a lyricist or songwriter
- 31:27Speaker 1: on Back in Black. This controversy has been debated by
- 31:30Speaker 1: ACDC fans for years. Did Bon Scott actually write some
- 31:35Speaker 1: of the lyrics and for the massively successful Back in
- 31:38Speaker 1: Black album. And was Brian Johnson credited instead? There's too
- 31:43Speaker 1: much to get into about the story in this full
- 31:44Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland, but we do dive in more fully
- 31:48Speaker 1: in this week's accompanying mini episode, which Disgraceland All Access
- 31:53Speaker 1: members can hear in their Apple Podcasts or Patreon apps.
- 31:56Speaker 1: Go to disgracelandpod.com slash membership to become a member today
- 32:00Speaker 1: for just $ 5. 99. And we're going to get back to
- 32:02Speaker 1: our full ACDC story right now. Chapter 6. Just ring 362436. Hey,
- 32:11Speaker 1: I lead a life of crime. On April 16, 2014,
- 32:17Speaker 1: ACDC issued a statement that read in part, After 40
- 32:22Speaker 1: years of life dedicated to ACDC, guitarist and founding member
- 32:27Speaker 1: Malcolm Young is taking a break from the band due
- 32:30Speaker 1: to ill health. ACDC asked that Malcolm and his family's
- 32:34Speaker 1: privacy be respected during this time. The band will continue
- 32:37Speaker 1: to make music. ACDC will get together in May in
- 32:40Speaker 1: Vancouver to record. It seemed that not even Malcolm Young's
- 32:45Speaker 1: own sickness, which was revealed six months later in September
- 32:49Speaker 1: of 2014 to be dementia, could deny him of his
- 32:53Speaker 1: goal to keep ACDC moving forward. So it was no
- 32:57Speaker 1: surprise when a few months later, on November 6, 2014,
- 33:00Speaker 1: that the band would pledge to continue on in the
- 33:03Speaker 1: face of even more unbelievable news from the ACDC camp.
- 33:07Speaker 2: The drummer of the rock band ACDC is accused in
- 33:10Speaker 2: an alleged murder plot. Phil Rudd was charged in a
- 33:13Speaker 2: New Zealand court with attempting to hire a hitman to
- 33:17Speaker 2: kill two people. If convicted, Rudd could face 10 years
- 33:20Speaker 2: behind bars.
- 33:22Speaker 1: Drummer Phil Rudd. had just been arrested for offering a
- 33:26Speaker 1: hitman large amounts of cash to have two men taken out, murdered,
- 33:31Speaker 1: a contract killing, by a real-life dishonest John. Phil was
- 33:36Speaker 1: also charged with possessing large amounts of methamphetamine and cannabis.
- 33:41Speaker 1: The victims, the men the police were charging Phil Rudd
- 33:44Speaker 1: for threatening to kill, were supposed business associates. These men,
- 33:49Speaker 1: the identity of the victims has never been disclosed, were
- 33:52Speaker 1: allegedly responsible for the existence, and from Phil's point of view,
- 33:55Speaker 1: the failure of his solo album, Head Job. The record bombed,
- 34:00Speaker 1: and Phil was pissed, and most likely way high on meth,
- 34:04Speaker 1: and that drug-induced thinking caused Phil Rudd to threaten to
- 34:07Speaker 1: kill the two men who had worked for him. On
- 34:11Speaker 1: the day of Phil Rudd's arrest, ACDC wasted no time.
- 34:15Speaker 1: A statement was issued. It read, We've only become aware
- 34:19Speaker 1: of Phil's arrest as the news was breaking. We have
- 34:21Speaker 1: no further comment. Phil's absence will not affect the release
- 34:25Speaker 1: of our new album Rock or Bust, an upcoming tour
- 34:28Speaker 1: next year. Rock or Bust, indeed. There was nothing, not
- 34:34Speaker 1: the sickness of their band's founding and most influential member,
- 34:38Speaker 1: not even the arrest of their drummer on a murder-for-hire charge,
- 34:41Speaker 1: that could stop ACDC from moving forward. The show, as
- 34:45Speaker 1: they say, must go on. Two weeks after Phil's arrest,
- 34:51Speaker 1: Rock or Bust, an album he played on alongside Angus,
- 34:54Speaker 1: Brian Cliff, and Malcolm and Angus' nephew, Stevie Young, was released.
- 34:59Speaker 1: Five months later, on April 10th, 2015, at Coachella, ACDC
- 35:04Speaker 1: kicked off the band's latest tour with Chris Slade back
- 35:07Speaker 1: behind the kit in place of Phil. Again, Rock or Bust,
- 35:12Speaker 1: not Rock and Roll or Bust. Ten days later, on
- 35:15Speaker 1: April 20th, halfway across the world in New Zealand, Phil
- 35:19Speaker 1: Rudd went before the judge, and by then the murder-for-hire
- 35:23Speaker 1: charge had been dropped due to insufficient evidence, but the
- 35:25Speaker 1: death threats and drug charges stuck, and Phil pleaded guilty.
- 35:30Speaker 1: He was released on bail to await sentencing, and the
- 35:33Speaker 1: judge noted Phil's fragile mental health and his drug addiction. Meanwhile,
- 35:39Speaker 1: ACDC tore a path across the United States and Europe.
- 35:43Speaker 1: On July 9, 2015, Phil Rudd went before the judge again,
- 35:47Speaker 1: this time for his sentencing. He was given just eight
- 35:51Speaker 1: months of home detention in order to abstain from drugs
- 35:54Speaker 1: and undergo rehab. The judge warned that a breach of
- 35:57Speaker 1: these orders could land the drummer in jail. But the
- 36:01Speaker 1: judge was apparently as softy. Because just days after Phil
- 36:05Speaker 1: was confined to house arrest, he was arrested for associating
- 36:09Speaker 1: with prostitutes at his house. And the judge let him
- 36:12Speaker 1: off with a warning. There was no getting around the
- 36:15Speaker 1: house arrest, though. The entire eight-month sentence would have to
- 36:19Speaker 1: be served. Phil's lawyer argued this would mean that Phil
- 36:22Speaker 1: would miss ACDC's Japanese tour. His attorney voiced Malcolm Young's
- 36:27Speaker 1: point of view. Phil's drummer was integral to the band's sound.
- 36:31Speaker 1: Why should the band suffer because of Phil's actions? The
- 36:36Speaker 1: judge disagreed and replied that Queen replaced Freddie Mercury. Apparently,
- 36:42Speaker 1: the judge wasn't aware that ACDC replaced Bon Scott. Everyone,
- 36:47Speaker 1: even Malcolm Young, was replaceable. So Phil Rudd was sentenced
- 36:52Speaker 1: and out of the band, where he remains to this day,
- 36:56Speaker 1: while the band continues to tour, even after Malcolm Young's
- 37:00Speaker 1: death in 2017. And of course, they're touring without their
- 37:05Speaker 1: best drummer, Phil Rudd, who lives out on the fringe.
- 37:08Speaker 1: Just like one of those characters his friend Bon Scott
- 37:11Speaker 1: used to write about in his songs, specifically in Dirty
- 37:15Speaker 1: Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. Like a real dishonest John, and
- 37:20Speaker 1: a true disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan, and this is Disgraceland. Alright,
- 37:42Speaker 1: thanks for listening to this episode of Disgraceland. If you
- 37:44Speaker 1: want to hear more about the controversy around Bon Scott
- 37:47Speaker 1: allegedly writing the lyrics for Back in Black, what? The
- 37:51Speaker 1: second biggest selling album of all time, you're going to
- 37:53Speaker 1: need to check out today's mini episode, okay? All access
- 37:56Speaker 1: and Apple subscribers already have it in their fees. Everyone else,
- 37:59Speaker 1: head to DisgracelandPod.com and sign up for all access to
- 38:02Speaker 1: unlock mini episodes. Ad-free listening and uncensored music history you
- 38:06Speaker 1: will not get anywhere else. Here's the kicker. Bon Scott's
- 38:10Speaker 1: friends and girlfriends swore he finished writing the lyrics for
- 38:13Speaker 1: Back in Black before he died. But the notebook he
- 38:16Speaker 1: wrote them in disappeared the night he was found dead.
- 38:18Speaker 1: So where did it go? And why hasn't it ever resurfaced?
- 38:21Speaker 1: That's what we're digging into in the mini episode. Now,
- 38:23Speaker 1: this week's question of the week. If Back in Black
- 38:26Speaker 1: is the greatest selling rock and roll record of all time,
- 38:28Speaker 1: what's the one record you'd put above it? You can
- 38:31Speaker 1: only pick one. Is it Exile on Main Street? London Calling?
- 38:34Speaker 1: Abbey Road? Something else? Maybe another ACDC record. Call me. 617-906-6638.
- 38:39Speaker 1: Let me know. Leave a voicemail. Send me a text.
- 38:42Speaker 1: You can also hit me on the socials at DisgracelandPod
- 38:45Speaker 1: or get me direct on the Patreon chat. Credits are
- 38:47Speaker 1: coming up right now. Disgraceland was created by yours truly
- 38:52Speaker 1: and is produced in partnership with Double Elvis. Credits for
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- 39:15Speaker 2: He's a bad, bad man.
- 39:19Speaker 1: All right, guys, that's ACDC part two. Let me know
- 39:20Speaker 1: what you think. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. Get at me
- 39:25Speaker 1: with your thoughts on this archive episode of Disgraceland.