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Episode 245: Company Of Thieves (SG-1 10.09) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Hey, Get into Gates episode two hundred and forty five. Take your word
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for that. You did the math checks out. The math checks it.
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No, I was just letting it was like a I'm not sure oping was
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that how you flirted back in the day? Like, hey, well,
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I mean I was going to cut that out, but how are you referencing?
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It's like one of those edits where I have to leave it in.
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Yeah, that's okay. Hey, welcome to Get into Gates. The Stargate
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podcast is a clean opening. Thank you so much, mitcheer. That's Maddie
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cackling his way through the inn trow hacking. Well, is this pay back
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last chuckle? Is this back from last week? Whatever? Last week me
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just being like trying to give you compliments and you're like, I'm nervous now.
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Oh yeah, No, I spent the last week like because there are
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moments where I'm like, oh, you know something, I'm like oh sorry,
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but like, hey man, that doesn't even bother me, And I'm
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like, sounds like it does? They like, what do you hate me?
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We're not like full gen z about it. Yeah. Every night just
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like your wife having just like cradle you to sleep. Why don't you put
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a full stop in that text messages to me. I just felt like that
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was really aggressive of you use lots of capitals. Yeah, oh god freaking
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Jene just going off a millennial ramp about you know, you can't even capitalize
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like the start of a sentence anymore. Whether people think you're upset with really,
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Yeah, TikTok. By default, when you start typing a comment,
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doesn't put in a capital at the start. I have to put it in
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stop it. I just don't comment. And I think the Chinese like stop
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us writing English. He's Singaporean, mate, it's Chinese. Did you see
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that that clip the other week of him getting grilled by an American something or
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other. Yeah, he's got the TikTok ceo and he's like from He's like,
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I'm Singaporean. He's like, do you own a Chinese passport? He's
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like, I'm from Singapore. He's like, do you have an affiliations with
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the Chinese government? He goes, I'm from Singapore. Have you ever served
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in the Chinese in the Chinese Army? Sir, I'm Singaporean from Taiwan,
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aren't you? He kept coming. This guy's looking a run on. He
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does know all of us Asians are not from the same place, right,
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Like, have you have you ever heard of square? Not joking, He's
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not joking. He literally asked him if he knows about Wow. This guy's
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like, I'll get him eventually. Have you driven a tank? And he
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starts naming dishes from Chinese? Have you ever read? He's like, yes,
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I gotcha, Lock him up, take him away. Clearly went not
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on TikTok TikTok and Chinese food UK Chinese food be wilden. The core element
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of the Chinese takeaway is hot chips with curry sauce. Off British people.
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That's enough curry because they do do good Indian food curry they create, but
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a chicken or tick missal. The chicken ticken missile is the national dish of
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Britain because it's not actually a technically and ethnically Indian dishes with HP sauce.
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You know who you are. Oh, here's here's my Chinese takeaway with some
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chili chips, and it's hot chips with like onions and Chilian stuff on it.
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And then they just have this tub of like yellow curry that they just
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pour all over the top. And then she had this one chick hat sorry,
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has a big thing of like the just the grayest fried rice you've ever
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seen, and then sprinkles like a full tablespoon of table salt over the whole
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thing. It was made with water out of Thames. Disgusting. I saw
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on last week and they said, we don't have capital punishment here in Australia,
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but there is an argument for it. Dot dot dot. And it
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was a video of someone cooking some type of steak, a really big thick
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piece of meat. They'd cut a circle out of the middle of the of
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the meat. They then put in an egg, right, I didn't watch
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the end of it was a man who ends his own smoker. So we
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came, oh, well, okay, so maybe you've done it. Maybe
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this is your video. Now maybe you watch the meat good stuff. Was
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it a raw egg they put in or they previously boiled that egg? Of
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course it'd be raw, but just making sure. So then they put the
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egg there and I'm like, oh, what are they doing with the egg.
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Then they then they pull out the squeezy vegemite and start squeezing like I
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love that, like jet black that toast, Like I know it's not actually
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black you know what I mean, just like smash it on there, real
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thick and then they start using the little the little brush right you start,
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you know over there. And that was where I stopped because I had to
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go. I to leave anywhere to try basting a steak and vegemar. No,
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apparently it's good on a roast chicken if you put vegemite between the like
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under the skin, between the meat and the skin of the roast chicken,
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because it is just like salted New Mammians, you know, Like I said,
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I love and not crazy, I love vegemite. I would still not
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go and buy like a vegemite and cheese like scroll from the bakery. I'm
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just like, like even the hot, hot vegemo of any type, I'm
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like, no, thank you on a bit of toast, but don't like
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cook it. Don't cook the vegimite. So the idea of cooking a steak,
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and we're probably making a lot of our American listen to throw up.
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And I know it's such a cliche, cheesy thing when we have people out
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here cheese, you mite, cheese, egg and vegmar. If you do
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a vegeman and toast and then just like smash it like a boiled egg on
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top. That can be good people do with avocada, but oh no vegimont
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avocados. Look, I will report back. I'm going to try some vegi
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on do it live mate video others didn't happen. I want to see your
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honest reaction. Okay, I'll tag Mitch in it. What are we here
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for? Cooking side stags? Here? We are back in the Milky Way
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galaxy. What's this one called again? Maddie Thieves, Company of Thief,
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Company of Thieves? Yeah, I mean we did the Trust two weeks ago
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or the last episode of s G one and what have we got? Here?
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Are the Lucier Lions Brendan's other favorite one ever. I think Brennan even
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threatens like he was obviously due to be back this week, and we said,
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when we're doing at the lootion lines? He goes, I'm actually I
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can't. I can't do it. He couldn't make the Trust the other week.
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This one he's like, I'm not doing the loose. He didn't even
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pull the wreath and come in, do a rant and leave. Actually I
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was lucky enough to get the call third week in a row. Yeah,
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well, I mean you're hiding under the desk this whole time. I just
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like, yeah, like that's what my radio show thought. You were the
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cleaner. By the way, like when you hear the other day, like
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three days into your week long stay here, they actually thought you were the
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cleaner, which is hilarious. I said, Craig, and they're like,
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how do you know the cleaner by name? And I'm like, we just
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know each other. Susie and I were talking. Yeah, the the unwarranted
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foot mastages were a bit weird though. Well we are okay, yep,
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Loucian Alliance, Cam going undercover, all that sort of stuff. Let's go
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back through the old synopsis and see what it's all about before we tear into
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it. Cameron Mitchell must go undercover inside the Lucian Alliance to find the location
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of the Hijacked Odyssey. That's obviously from IMDb, so it's very short,
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it's very compressed. You're going the hijacked obysly you like get hijack. Oh
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mate, you're absolutely right now. And this is fresh too, because I
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watched this. I mean, like I said, last week, I did
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our last SG one and last week's Atlantis back to back and then my self
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three starch caca no no no. I then went to watch this episode back
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then as well, and it was the wrong file, I mean, DVD's
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wrong disking player, and I'm like, oh God, okay, I'm going
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to have to find the right disc and didn't until literally today, and I
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watched it until I watched it right up until I left time to come into
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record, and by the end of it, I was like, well,
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it come up with the credits and I actually said out loud, I don't
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know what the just happened. And I thought, you know, I know
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Reese ison here anymore, It's never really happened to me, and if it
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did happen to me, it should really happen in Atlantis. But I thought,
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it's episodes like this where I'm glad that Brendan and Maddie don't do it.
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Has Mitch been paying attention, because I haven't heard that for a long
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time. The names, the ships, the places, the groups of people
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that I would have had to who like Cam was trying to pretend that the
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other alien that shows like oh my My Friend, and the main the episode
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obviously anat Yeah, that pivotal character did not give a ship about anything that
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happened here. If you had have read the Prime video synopsis that you know
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what Brendan said the other week when when I would let me down, he
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said, you need to go over to Prime like it says. A power
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struggle within the ranks of the Deadly Lucian Alliance spells danger for SG one.
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With Carter, Vala and Daniel held captive, Mitchell made me their only hope
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of survival. Can he infiltrate the Alliance posing as elusive criminal Kflin and mounted
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daring escape attempt. I'm very wordy. It's still much better than yes,
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I said, like a muppet. Obviously, hitch muppet? Who am I?
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If I'm a Muppet? I feel like spiritually I'm Beaker cookie Monster.
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He's not a Muppet. He's a lower case muppet. He's not a he's
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not a capital M Muppet. So muppets on Sesame Street are muppets because there
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are this is a hole ten uh. They are muppets lowercase because they're from
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the Jim Henson Muppet studio. However, capital m muppets are you miss Piggy
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from the Muppet Show. They are Capital m Muppets. Is it a all
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Sesme Street Muppets and muppets, not all muppets, Sesme Street Muppets. Yeah,
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Mitch, I want to give you a job so bad right now.
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You can't just be a FISTU surest. I feel like spiritually I'm a Beaker,
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you know, like Bunson and Beaker. You know the guy that goes
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me, I don't. I didn't mess with the muppets so much. Aliens.
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No, they're just scientists. Just because they have different colored skin doesn't
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make them aliens. Craig, So there's that guy in this episode who oh,
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jump jump, that's the one you bring. I bought it back.
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Hero was trying to take us away from stargeting, bringing us back to this
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episode. Al Right, here we go. Let's go h problem number one.
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Oh, we're sitting with problems. I have a checklist. If the
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Odyssey traveled to the place expecting to find a supergate, that's the whole premise
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of this episode. Yep, they had some intel they went there. Why
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did they only take CARTERA Why didn't they take all of st want Why just
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Carter? Aside from the fact that they needed her to be taken captive and
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then the other the rest of the team be available to perform a rescue.
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I mean, well, dun, dun, Okay, yeah, no,
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you're right, you're right, hang on, sorry, Yeah, I think
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logistically they should only take her, But what this show has always done is
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take the entire team. Yeah, no one else, Like, uh,
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Cam didn't need to be there in Pegasus Project when Carter and McKay were on
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the on the Daedalus blowing up the thing with the gates, and like I
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said, but he's still there because he's the leader of the team. But
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Carli was the one that was taking the tech. Yeah, so yeah,
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she's the only one that's needed. But you still said the And they don't
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even establish that the rest of the team was doing something else. We just
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cut back to them in the conference room, spinning on their chairs, waiting
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for something to do. We don't always need a mission to go on,
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I guess, except the show is called SG one. Well look, this
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episode was SG Carter. Well no, because then she got captured, and
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then we had to follow the rest of the team doing going and doing all
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their stuff, and then it became a Mitchell episode pretending to be Wolverine sorry,
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that was a deep cut. The actor that he was pretending to be
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is the guy who played Wolverine in X Men Evolution. He was the Wolverine
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to Chris Judges Magneto, I'm so glad you explained that. I was like,
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how is this how show you work? And I'm glad you did.
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He was also Piccolo in Dragon Ball z mm hmm, and then in Transformers
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Beast Wars, remember that I love he was rat Trap, he was Dino
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Butt, he was Waspernada, I'm like cheat Or and we had all those
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Yeah, I loved cheat Or. Yeah. Yeah, no, I wish
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he'd got a little more U screen time. But it was all just kind
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of like cam and then suddenly not him, and then him and they put
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back the spiky ring, didn't they in this episode? Yeah? And the
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real with the real with the invisible people with Charlie two point, weren't they
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were the real the retoot too, So I was r YEA said, the
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real were the ones, the fifth the Fifth Man with the special Yeah,
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the drug from Summer and Last Stand. It was funny, like the fact
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that I had the wrong DVD when I first went to watch this episode,
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and then when I found the right DVD disc and I pressed Planet, knowing
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that it said, what's the totally episode again, Company of Thieves, Company
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of Thieves? So I just kept going to see thieves and thieves, Company
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of Thieves and I've hit play on Company of Thieves and and was you know
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previously on SG one and it was the Hey, this thing, this will
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make you, you know, the other person think that you or whoever you
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say there, and I'm like, we haven't well, that wasn't what that
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was not recent? And then the alien looking bloke that comes in towards the
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end of this episode Jump comes in and I'm like, old Shepherd from a
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couple of weeks ago, we've seen before, haven't we Yeah? Or was
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it his people we've seen before Jump internat where they were in Space Race?
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No, they were in Prometheus on Brown the first time we introduced a Vala.
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She has to steal a ship to meet with them, and that's when
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Daniel Jackson goes down the plane. He's like, call me Hans, Yeah,
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that's right. Yeah, So it's been a minute right up into that,
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been a minute since we're saying all of a sudden, it's like in
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the previously on and hey, look, of course the previously on ca re
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referencing something from episode five or season one, right, But that made me
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think like I was still watching the wrong episode and that I'd missed one where
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this stuff happened. So and then when they even bring it in, and
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I'm like, it doesn't matter. I'm learning everything I need to learn right
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now for the rest of the app Also, they bring up the minefield that
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they draw the Odyssey into. If you look very closely at those minds,
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that is a reuse of the minds from the serpents, the serpent not go
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old mines, if you remember, the entire premise on the episode was Daniel
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had to translate those mines and to the left three, to the blue five,
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to the green or whatever, not goold at all. Where did they
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come from, why did the Lucian Alliance have them, how did they manage
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to get them where they needed to be, and how did the Odyssey run
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into them? Necessity necessity a lot problem exactly, which, by the way,
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the writer himself agrees with I believe this is recurring, referring to the
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part where Vala and Daniel show up to like the chop shop and they find
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the the black box recorder of the of the Odyssey. It's hard to navigate
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the where the Odyssey was and where he was. And you know that because
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they've you mean the uh well, just in terms of when I was a
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geography, yeah, when I was. When I was writing it, it's
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like they they brought the plan was to bring the box here, so they'd
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come here, so they'd all be captureds they could go back to the ship,
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and you know, ultimately it all it all worked out. But that
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was I remember one of the challenges in writing. It sounds like nothing now,
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but you're sitting there trying to figure out, well, wait a second,
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couldn't they track the locator? Wouldn't they have seen the locator beacon flight
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at hyperspace speed to this planet, and you know all those things that you
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know, you can't look too closely that from the riding school of Mountain Giro.
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I don't know, I just I don't. I don't even know that
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there was any one story one that I cared about, maybe maybe Cam just
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because of the undercover nature of it, Like he's going in as himself,
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He's not trying to disguise himself. It's all to do with that little little
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needle, but also in a rewatch, are you gonna if you want to
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see that kind of stuff? Are you going to go back to watch someone
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at Last Stand or you're gonna watch this episode? Oh like oh yeah,
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you know what I mean, Like if you're gonna if you're going to do
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it doing better not worse. So it's like you know you're going to go
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back and watch someone at Last Stand one hundred times. It's just a lot
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of random stuff happening and none of it makes any sense. And I guess
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like when we've had Loution Alliance before, we've also had maybe the gould in
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an episode or like we've been talking enough about the or either they're maybe coming
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up at the end or or we've seen them at the start and the reaction
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to them at the start in the pre credits is something to do with the
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Loutional lines or whatever. The fact of it was like, yeah, exactly,
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the fact that there's like different layers of the Loution Alliance here and like
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their own in fighting like the trust In fight and you know, the jeni
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In fight, the gauld In fight like the or I don't That's why they're
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guys. I have an inbuilt hatred and you know the Mitchell for any of
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those like mob movies, anything, Mob like Sopranos, never watched it because
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I just can't get into that kind of any of those kind of like organized
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crime movies anything where it's just like a bunch of insecure, emotional men,
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like just throwing tantrums and pretending they're tough. And that was literally annatao at
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that like dinner with all like the mob bosses, just a petulant child,
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and I'm just like, he's not even a good villain. I don't fear
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him. If I wasn't that rumb we'ld have laughed at him and told him
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he needs to go and sit in the noaughty corner and have a nap.
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He's not an intimidating bad guy, No, not at all. And the
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actor himself seem smart. The actor himself, I think could be because the
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actor has this naturalness and growl in his voice. It's like, if you
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give him something proper to do, I reckon he could just destroy a roll.
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Who's the other blake that was sitting beside him with the sort of the
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hair hanging over his face and he had this really a far deeper voice in
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a while. The star. Yeah, yeah, I thought you didn't like
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to show your feace. I was, and I'll happily take it. That's
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one for this. I was one hundred percent sure I was going to look
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at his OMDB and find that he played a cling on it some He does
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kind of have that look about him, doesn't he. I'm like he could.
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He could have been from the one we Walks on Trial, the one
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We're I'm not going to reference the next generation. Come on, now,
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don't fight about which star Treking reference over conversation with d S nine. We're
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Wolves on Trial and there's like the klingon and make it longer. He feels
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everywhere. Now you know how I feel when you guys start talking about either
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high school or Lord of the Rings engaged, rules of engage, rules of
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engage. I thought it might be that guy. It's not. It looks
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similar though they according to order coming to your they flew him he was an
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LA based actor. He's not a local Canadian. He was an LA based
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actor that they flew up for this role. Did not tell him that he
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was going to die in the episode. Wasn't a huge fan of that when
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he found it. When they started Okay, We're gonna was expecting it have
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like a five episode contracy, like a supporting character role that he thought he
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was going to think. He's one of those actors you know that when you
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get to a certain point, you're not going to take a role if you
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know you're going to die, because you don't want to be the Sean Bean.
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Fifteen dollars, gotting dolls Canadian, but then he converts that to American.
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Though he's last week or the week before, and you mentioned the Mister
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Sheffield episode. That guy had how many seasons of The Nanny behind him?
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He still showed out for one episode Stargate. You know he understood what he
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was being offered. He's like, yep, cool, I can't do that
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opportunity to be recurring. Sure that's true. Yeah, you're right, but
20:52
in sci fi Nerd, nobody ever really dies. It could have brought him
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back. Yep. Katie Hewlett got twenty dollars, but again that works better
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in her favor because they would have paid her American, and then when you
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convert that to Canadian, she got killing it way more money. I'll just
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play some of this dinner scene using a debate of trap for SG one,
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he has lost his mind. Tower will declare all our war on us.
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You should have consulted with us, naketime with anyone godin, but he knew
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he was gonna die. Then has there anyone else who wants to challenge me?
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Does he need to nappy changed? And a little nut and a tale
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betrayed us all and he will pay. And that's for the Tory. You
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were already at war with us and us with them. And I will not
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cower in fear spreading the word sent all available ships. Yeah, like that
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scene. Here's a reaction from that guy being threatened or questioned. He so
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much more frightening when he's calm now having said that, even we're talking about
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mobs. But when you said that, and I'm like one great, you
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know crime lord guy that I love on TV. And we'll soon see more
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of Kingpin. Right. He does everything to sit there whispering behind a desk,
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but then occasionally has that outburst and he throws a desk over or he
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crushes a guy's skull with a car door. And I can deal with that
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because it's like he spent a long Te goes from you know, not one
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hundred and fifty straight away like that guy goes to build and comes back then
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and goes back up, and it's like and then he gets really emotional.
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Do you really want to do this? And this is what I'm like,
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Mate, you've lost it all because you had the little outburst like Matt he
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said, you've had the child at childish outburst. That guy was clearly no
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great threat to you. I as a viewer didn't think, oh this guy,
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this guy's a bit sketchy. I'm like, he's been brought in for
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one scene. He's the cater and go put a wig on Will three in
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the show for fifteen seconds if you I actually did grab some audio from that
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from that same thing, but we won't play because you know you played that
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bit. Towards the end of that, Natan because someone said to Natan,
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then the Tari will declare war on us if we do this, And then
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Natan says, the Tari have already declared war with or we're already at war
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with the Tari. But then what's the tagline at the very very end of
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the episode is Cam says to Kata, oh, you better let them.
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Know, we've just declared war on the on the Loution Alliance, which is
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like I did. As far as the Loution Alliance have been concerned this whole
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time, they've already been at war. So now it's us telling Landry that
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we're at war. That zero steaks, zero steaks were had at that That
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was one of the weakest endings of any stargeted episode I've ever seen. But
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even like including season five of Atlantis, US coming into this rewatch and you
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guys kept talking about the Lootion Alliance. I know the idea what you were
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talking about. Like, I carried no memory of the Lution Alliance into the
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last ten years, maybe since I did my last watch through of this show
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all ten years ago from now, so for you know, years before we
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started the podcast. I don't care about them now, even even while I
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am watching the idea that they've had this little infight, we've rescued people from
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them, Oh we're at war it with them, and I'm like, cool,
24:17
what are they one more ship? Like I don't know how big Delution
24:18
Alliance is at this stage. I haven't and maybe that's a three star cake
24:22
and maybe that's me not taking it in over the last season's worth of stargame.
24:27
They don't specify. I never really specify, but at points you do
24:32
see they have got a lot of ships. Oh yeah, absolutely a lot.
24:36
Well, I just feel like whenever we run into them, we destroy
24:38
a ship or we kill one of their leaders, like it's not like they
24:42
keep you know, they keep getting away with it and they keep building.
24:45
I feel like they're not even like a hydra situation, right, We're not
24:48
sort of chopping one off and two more grow out of it or anything out
24:52
of retaliation, Like we're kind of cutting them down. Just in those early,
24:56
like first five seasons, it's like as we destroyed a system and another
24:59
one would come in take over their territories and gain more ships. That's got
25:03
that in Serpents Venom got that massive cough ship there was like thirty times the
25:07
size of a normal attack. In this it's like, well, every time
25:10
a member of the Lucian Alliance gets killed, it's like, well, no
25:14
one else is taking over, and there's no a massing of ships because they're
25:18
all just it's just all the leftover her tucks that the GUA would left behind
25:22
when they're basically made up of like old ghould slaves and stuff really aren't well
25:26
yeh, there's no Jafar. They're all like humans, you know, human
25:30
slaves and stuff like that. If you want to get really petty, which
25:33
you know I love to do. It's like something I noticed in this episode
25:36
is they keep referring to the Odyssey as the Odyssey. How would they know?
25:41
Wouldn't they just call it the tari ship? Like do her tucks have
25:45
individual names? Like wouldn't wouldn't the idea of naming a ship something other than
25:49
what type of ship it is be so alien to them? Why would they
25:53
call it the Odyssey? I just find a really weird concept that's true,
25:59
the attacking or you know here attacks? Is it the only one of our
26:04
earthships that they've come across? Even so probably goes Moremat's point, just got
26:10
the tower ship? Yeah, well, I mean Emerson comes. Oh I'm
26:11
Colonel Emerson of the airship Odyssey. Oh great, boom bullet to the head.
26:17
You know, are they even gonna yeah? Oh mate, Emerson.
26:19
He was terrible. It's one of my face. He was one of my
26:22
favorites of the Odyssey commanders. It does suck that another one bites the dust
26:29
for no reason. And this is Brennan's gonna love this. I wish he
26:33
was here for this. This is another cooperism. So the writer was told,
26:41
no melodramatics, no, just he's dead and he's done. Have a
26:45
listen to this. Don't do it, sam oh, I suggest you should
26:52
do it, sad oh, here comes the fun. Oh yeah, killing
26:56
poor Macleaver, poor Emerson, Coomber rubs is to be weird. Not to
27:00
make it too big an issue. Right, he gets shot, he's done.
27:04
Not to make it too melodramatic. It activates automatically and stays on.
27:07
Then remove it. Don't help them, colonel, that's in order. And
27:14
then at the end of the episode, damn you cam Mitchell and again that's
27:22
a that's rob It's an extremely corny line that but felt it was earned.
27:34
Yeah. No, I took note of that when he said it too,
27:37
because damn you cam Mitchell to nobody. Yeah, exactly, God, And
27:41
that shoots me to tears when they I'll say stuff out loud to myself like
27:47
that too. But that it might have been the guy's performance, So I
27:51
don't know who the actor was behind the mask. That's that's old old shepherd,
27:55
all right, yeah, and the other guy, yeah, yeah,
27:57
I don't know whether. And then look, I've said this podcast before.
28:00
I also hate when you have someone who looks alien all of a sudden you
28:04
have to get this big, growing voice because you can't possibly have someone who
28:08
just sounds more human normal once they're a little bit hairyer, a bit muscly,
28:15
or a bit more scaly, whatever it might be, they have to
28:18
have this gravelly, deep bass voice this guy, and he was esthetically like,
28:25
we don't have enough of that in Stargate. Everyone's a human. I
28:27
get the idea that humans have been taken and spread across the galaxy and all
28:30
that sort of stuff, but still the galaxy is a big place, Like
28:33
there's got to be even humanoid looking lizards out there, human looking fish or
28:38
something. Right, So it's nice to see someone it's nice to see this
28:42
bloypop up pop up the way that he looks, But he sounded way too
28:48
human. So I'm like, I'm that clip you just played was called contradiction.
28:52
I'm contradicting myself here because I couldn't buy the character because of the performance,
28:57
because of how human he was, soe fing that contradicted his look,
29:03
and so then at the end you get that corny line and it just made
29:06
everything come together and I'm just like that that stinks. Yeah, and then
29:11
the other problem I had is, yeah, they you know, they shot
29:15
killed Emerson for no reason. Really. Then there was that really fantastic moment
29:19
with Carter where she goes back and old mates, you know, the second
29:23
in command go whatever it is, like what happened? And Carter just kind
29:26
of she's all teared up and she she just kind of shakes her head and
29:30
can't even deal with it. Ten minutes later, Daniel Jackson's on the bridge
29:36
of the Odyssey sitting in the chair making jokes and you are going, well,
29:41
for the record, I'm always ready. And then Cam, who is
29:47
I think at this point doesn't know that Emerson is dead, or maybe maybe
29:52
does, beams back on at the end and he goes, what are you
29:55
doing in that chair and he's like, oh, I was empty. Emerson's
30:00
body isn't even cold yet, and they're making jokes about them him, like
30:04
Daniel being in the chair when he shouldn't be. Dude, That's like what
30:08
we do. It's how we deal with grief. We make jokes about it,
30:14
but they weren't grieving. Carter was the only one that Greed was grieving.
30:18
Didn't make any jokes. Well that was enough for everyone. Nah.
30:22
I just think tonally for a television in forty minutes of television, I didn't
30:26
like that. That felt icky. That felt icky to me. Okay,
30:30
either either don't have the Carter thing and do those jokes, or have the
30:34
Carter thing and don't do those jokes. It just felt super insensitive when you're
30:37
trying to build the drama of this dude goting executed, not just died in
30:44
service, being executed in front of people. Yeah, it just it just
30:48
felt icky to me. I just did because the tone of this episode was
30:52
all over the place. I was just like, what am I? What
30:55
am I supposed to be feeling at the end of this? Like? Am
30:59
I supposed to feel bad about Emerson's death but then ten minutes later be laughing
31:02
at jokes about him when his body's not even cold yet? Like I don't
31:07
know, Yeah, especially when it is as like just cold as as that.
31:12
I I It's it never happens in TV because if you've got someone who's
31:17
recurring enough or not that the actor is you know, insanely famous or anything,
31:22
but like, you know, when he first popped up on the show,
31:23
and I'm like, ah, it's Coolia from the wedding singer or something.
31:26
Yeah. Yeah, And you don't just off someone like that. You
31:30
know, very rarely do you have a character in a TV show that's got
31:33
any kind of relevance not get some kind of goodbye. So whenever someone gets
31:38
into like a threatening situation or it looks like they're gonna have a car accident
31:42
the way they're shooting the car, and I'm like, well, they're not
31:44
going to die here because they haven't had that closure with character B, character
31:48
D or whatever it might be. So the idea that he's holding this gun
31:52
out and she's like yeah, I'm looking to it. He's like yeah,
31:52
he shouldn't do that either, and the other's bank, So yeah, Bank,
31:56
he's dead. Like he falls to the floor. That actor didn't even
31:59
get much of a role in this episode, let alone a goodbye to his
32:02
time on the show all together. And then they like don't show him.
32:07
Oh what's that? Another three or four bullets into your chest and like yeah,
32:09
shit, and that's what what was the payoff? What did what did
32:14
killing him accomplish? Like like, yeah, we need a loose alliance.
32:21
You don't mess with them, and we know that they do even till later
32:23
in the episode is like, I'm sick of being tortured by these and wales
32:28
on that guy. So it's like, what just killing him achieved to me?
32:31
It's smacks of either like either you know, the actor was becoming unavailable,
32:37
maybe he got a gig elsewhere like they did with Scara. The reason
32:39
they you know, took Corell out of Scars because that actor got a gig
32:43
on a Redcurr and gig on another show. They didn't have access to him.
32:45
It's like, okay, we need to wrap up the scar A storyline.
32:47
So either they've done that or like Emerson's done enough episodes of this show
32:52
where he's like due for a pay bump and they're like, nah, we'll
32:54
just get another. We'll just get another command and put two in the back
32:58
of his head so we can save a little bit of honey. I just
33:00
yeah, I didn't like it. Yeah. Well, on a separate note
33:06
to the to the death but a threat of death situation, you know Cam
33:12
sitting there pretending to torture Tilk. But then by the end of it are
33:15
like in the big scuffle and Til ends up like grabbing Cam and he's like,
33:20
hey, it's me. He's like, I am really sick of this.
33:22
Yeah, this needs to stop. And I'm like, oh you po.
33:25
That was a judge note, Yeah, that was a chrisch judge note.
33:28
Cool, this is like the third time I've been tortured by the motional
33:31
lion. Yeah. Yeah. Even when he shows up, the blokes like
33:34
I'm beginning to think you like getting tortured by me, and it's like shit.
33:37
Man Like Till doesn't lose his cool very much. We've seen that a
33:42
handful of times in ten seasons. So this episode mark Stargate SG one surpassing
33:49
The X Files as the longest running North and science fiction series at the time
33:53
until it will until it was passed by Smallville and then X Files when it
33:59
came past them again. Yeow, what's small Well ten seasons? Yeah,
34:05
but they were doing like twenty two four episode seasons, whereas for the last
34:08
like five years, one has been stopping at twenty. So just the episode
34:13
count per season was because what did x Foles come back? They did nine
34:15
and then they came back and did another Do they get two out of that
34:20
or something like that? I've got rid. I think it was two thirteen.
34:24
I think was SG one when it was all said and done, and
34:29
then small villain x Foles got to seventeen. Wow, you'll love this one,
34:31
Maddie. Lieutenant Colonel Samantha Carter's escape plan. No, no, no,
34:36
well, actually, if you read it, I don't get it.
34:37
That's one. So that's fine. I had I had, I had this
34:39
written down, okay. Lieutenant Colonel Samantha Carter's escape plan with doctor Daniel Jackson
34:43
Varla Maldorana, similar to that of Jane Way Torres and Chakota in Star Trek
34:46
Voyager episode Waking Moments. Both involved the crew retaking the ship by causing a
34:52
diversion so that the crew members can use the service corridors to move about unnoticed.
34:57
Man, I will give this to whoever wrote that that's a that one,
35:00
that's one for them, because it's completely and I would never draw those
35:05
in paris between that. They are also people that had to escape a situation.
35:10
Yeah, I could see that. It was like that. It was
35:14
like that the Atlantis episode a few weeks ago where it was just like,
35:16
oh, Woolsey didn't like being teleported and like his character in Star Trek who
35:22
was a doctor, the other doctor. I was like, come on,
35:25
guys, the line must be drawn here this far fu Yeah. Another another
35:32
little cameo was Anatao, one of the many LOOTIONI A Lines people we had
35:37
to keep track of. He was one that got beamed into space and then
35:40
somehow managed to fire a gun in the vacuum of space. Craig, is
35:44
that do you think that's the possibility firing a gun in space? Yeah,
35:46
and the vacuum space. You could fire a gun in space because all of
35:52
the chemical compound to actually make it fire is held within the primer and the
35:57
powder. Yes, it doesn't need oxygen for the explosion, doesn't cured it
36:00
because it's already contained within the prime or and the powder. Yeah. The
36:04
recoll would be funny though, that'd be amazing. Yeah, he didn't really
36:06
have I think that was something the mentioned in the audio commentary is. Yeah,
36:08
he kind of. He fired at the glass, which should have caused
36:13
record for him to be pushed away from the ship. He ended up getting
36:15
closer to the ship. Yeah, Annato should have been forced back by people
36:19
amount of force. Yeah, but that's because he was actually Dracula in Buffy
36:27
and then the same year was in like Dracula, I'm told or something like
36:30
that, so he played like Dracula twice in the same year. I do
36:32
think it was weird though, that it's like they beamed him out and then
36:37
like the rest of the crew is completely under like lockdown with like I think
36:40
they mentioned fifteen other Loution Alliance guys who all just surrendered at that point.
36:46
They still had control of the ship, but I'm assuming they kind of glossed
36:50
over. But I'm like, and maybe it was a time constraint, but
36:52
like maybe just under the threat of what will beam you out next? They
37:00
they surrendered, but it was just very quickly. It's like we'd be men
37:01
a tire way out and we're all in control of the ship again. Yeah,
37:05
yeah, yeah, Well that's what I mean. There's so many instances
37:10
in this episode, but I'm like, I don't know why should care about
37:13
these guys. It almost feels like this episode could have been fleshed out into
37:17
more of a two parta potentially. Well, it's funny you say that stop
37:22
it really no, not a two PARTA just this was a tough script.
37:27
I you know, I mentioned in the Dominion DVD commentary, which Will and
37:31
I did just forty five minutes ago. It's the same day we just did
37:35
this one second. Some scripts are tougher than others. And while Dominion was
37:37
a very easy script to write, this one, for whatever reason, I
37:40
struggled with. And I know my first draft, I walked into the room.
37:45
Well, I deliver a first draft and everybody sits around and gives notes
37:47
on it. And I walked into the room and there were some pretty dour
37:50
looks on the faces of some of the other writers, and I knew I
37:53
was in for a treat. So they wrote the first draft, and then
37:57
of course did a second draft, and then some squently, Rob also did
38:00
a pass on the script, and I'm going to point out some moments in
38:05
the script that he added that are really it turned into a great episode.
38:08
After all, I have to give a lot of the credit to Rob passing
38:13
the buck, you know, like there was a lot of it was done
38:15
by Rock, Like they knew it was a stinker going in and they just
38:19
went, oh, okay, it didn't it didn't really feel completed. Yeah.
38:23
I wonder if it was just like obviously they're leading up to like their
38:27
mid season break. Maybe it was just some fatigue. They're just like,
38:30
you know, they're running two shows at this point. You know, there
38:32
was only so much budget, only so much you know, time to do
38:36
stuff. Yeah, I feel like this episode was just a lot of weird
38:38
things just mushed together and didn't really overall create a really cohesive story. There
38:45
were great little moments in it, like the Tilk moment, the card moment.
38:47
You had bits and pieces here and there, but yeah, the one
38:52
moment I will not forgive. And again I wish Brennan was here for this
38:57
because if this was weird, he would just go in so hard. But
39:04
I feel like Landry he would let get away with us if this was where
39:07
he would go in so hard. I wonder how we would with ASSPM,
39:10
as we know she likes to do. Each division Ablution Alliance territory is controlled
39:15
by one of Natan's lieutenants or seconds as they're called. They are about twenty
39:19
such individuals overseeing operations including smuggling, extortion, racketeering, and of course trafficking
39:23
and KASA is there anything new coming, because this feels like a rerun to
39:28
me, excuse your mouth, excuse your mouth. Did he sound like he
39:34
was done? He had a whole whiteboard presentation there, probably nervous because there's
39:38
Tilka and Mitchell sitting there as well. He did the mistake I've met in
39:43
this room. We talk about sorry, I shouldn't have taken a breath.
39:45
He's a general. They like the sound of their own voice. Believe me,
39:49
I work with one of I'm subscribing to the thought. But that's what
39:52
I was gonna say. If Brendan was here, his argument might be Landry
39:57
is a general. Hen't get time of that shit. It's like, hurry
40:00
up, get to the point, give me something, give me a point
40:02
a difference maybe, whereas if we did it, it's like whether a general
40:06
is right or wrong, it doesn't matter. Once they've spoken, it's like
40:09
okay, but it's like I'm not disagreeing with it. Bro has like a
40:14
whole presentation. Go, He's just going, here's some context, and then
40:20
he took a breath to make go. And now what we found, and
40:22
he's like a rerun to me, excuse your Yeah, yeah, there's there's
40:28
a different way you can say that. General, You know, like,
40:31
this is why I could have been in the military, because the I was
40:35
dealing with something like the very same sort of thing today, the side eye
40:40
he would have gotten from me if I was in that position. Sweet baby
40:45
Jesus, I was just like Maddie goes to military prison. Yeah, I
40:51
was like, Landry, I think your zipper needs to be at a tend
40:54
to let everyone know that you're like not handling any bullshit today because it's just
40:58
like what the actual like and just such a sassy comment. Just like it
41:04
didn't need to be that descriptive. No, you could you could have just
41:09
said, move it along, Okay, what else? What what have you
41:14
learned? What? What else? What else have you what? What else
41:19
have you learned? Do you have any new intel? Yea quicker than the
41:23
sassy bullshit he gave. Oh furious, furious, Oh general laundry. Just
41:44
this is why we're at war with Alution Alliance. We've got people like this
41:45
in charge. And like the line we referenced it before the you know where
41:52
it wore within there war with us, whatever it might be. That's I
41:54
think that's what I was kind of referencing. With that knowing about it was
41:58
last week week be from the podcast the Idea that No One knows it was
42:01
last week. No one knows about like Earth, the people don't know about
42:05
aliens, let alone the Stargate, you know program. So when Thelution Allions
42:10
said the Ti have already declared war in us. The Towery are already you
42:15
know, doing this, They've already made their decision, I'm like, get
42:17
like, but like a handful of people like they don't don't don't represent us
42:22
all by going on the war that you know, the people of Earth have
42:24
decided. The Loution Alliance you know, don't represent them. It's like it's
42:29
not exactly an entire army that's fighting against Thelution Alliance either. It's like a
42:34
handful of people with one ship. It's one ship, but who if you
42:38
count the Daedalus, But it's a very powerful at It's got some sweet toys
42:45
in that ship. They would be nice to have that, like the US
42:47
aircraft carrier can actually start a war against an entire country. But also they
42:52
have you know, how many attacks and how many alkesh and all that kind
42:55
of stuff. So I thought like with that one and I actually appreciate the
43:00
idea even though it was because you know, a dodgy guy gave them to
43:01
order. But the idea that they got that ship and it's a bit rickety
43:07
the shields don't whether the cloaking doesn't work stuff like, because otherwise, unless
43:13
a ship gets damaged, it's like they're either there is no ship or they're
43:16
at one hundred percent, you know. So the idea that you can have
43:20
one that's a bit of a lemon or that has you need to needs to
43:22
go to the mechanic or something like that. I did actually appreciate that point
43:27
of difference, but at the same time thinking well, at the end,
43:29
are you taking this back to Earth or are you taking this to the beta
43:34
side or something like that where you can just build up your your arsenal that
43:38
you know, you're all your vehicles, weaponry, whatever, anything you find
43:44
should be taken on. Just because this is a bit dodgy, No take
43:45
it somewhere, get someone to fix the cloaking, Like sure you're not going
43:47
to just use this and then leave it because the cargo ships are uster traded
43:52
in for cashia. Yeah, just a couple of ms like I like consistency,
43:59
I like continuity with designs and stuff, and it's really cool and we
44:00
saw that you know, big fight against Anubis over Antarctica and stuff that all
44:05
our ships look the same and all their ships look the same. But like,
44:07
if we have to, you know, you want to get to like
44:08
the end of Rise of Skywalker, It's like we've got ten thousand chips here,
44:12
No two are the same because we're just hijacked them from all over the
44:15
you know, the cross the galaxy, to fight against the guld, to
44:17
fight against the Oro, like keep everything that we can get. Guys,
44:21
you know what happened to that ship at the end of it, you know,
44:22
like till got taken. But then can we just every time we get
44:27
something cool, it gets destroyed? Yeah, just a couple of I do
44:29
you like that moment on the Moon where it's like, yeah, the alarm
44:31
goes off in the cargo ship and she's like, oh the such and such
44:36
as failing, It goes over and presses and buttons like, oh so you
44:37
fix it, No, just turn the alarm. That's yeah, great stuff,
44:40
great, Varla, that's my great, that's great, that's funny,
44:43
that's great, Vla. Yeah, they kind of pushed it a little bit
44:45
at the end with her and Carter trying to get the Odyssey up and running
44:49
again, and Carla's like, that's not where that goes. She's like,
44:52
prove it and puts it in and then something it works. It works.
44:54
That's almost never works, like yeah, or when she's you know, trying
44:59
to fix the the beamer and and he's like, is it going to work?
45:04
She's like, I don't know, yeah, and so she beams at
45:06
the bad guy. She's I just took a shot that maybe it was going
45:08
to work. But if it didn't, where is it? He's just floating
45:10
into space. Yeah, that's one way to go. I did like her
45:14
and Carter work into it, because you don't get a lot of little Carter
45:15
and Varla moments together. Did they park it past the Bechdel test because they
45:21
were trying to fix the problem, but they never spoke about a man?
45:23
Yeah, they There is a very problematic Carter and Vala moment in one of
45:29
the later episodes fighting over a man. No, they go shopping together.
45:34
They you just so a woman can't shop. No, it's just very cliche.
45:38
They're just walking back into the base in CIVS, just holding all their
45:42
bags from the little shopping vaginas, so they went shopping. I guess the
45:47
men went to went to the pub and had a few drinks. They put
45:51
a few pints and punts and the ponies and the steaks and went to the
45:54
gun range and shot some guns, flapped some women around you know, started
46:00
a fight. Yeah, yeap kissed some blokes. Girl friend, she started
46:04
it, so she deserved it back in you know, that was almost low
46:07
Pitch. Don't let him back in the door. Absolutely not. What happened
46:12
to him twenty twenty Me Too movement got him wait until many took a drink,
46:22
I mean fairtish. Absolutely. Actually, I don't think we've seen him
46:24
since the Me Too movement? No, when did that really? Like he's
46:29
probably in hiding. No, it was earlier than that. The podcast has
46:32
been going since twenty sixteen, Like twenty Low Pitcher was early. Yeah,
46:37
true, I felt like it was the seventeen it really stated kicking in.
46:42
Maybe eighteen by the time it was like all right, we're not fucking it
46:44
was in full swing by then. Yeah, yeah, lope, they got
46:47
him well, you know, couldn't have no better. Like he's in alf
46:52
somewhere yeah. I mean, in a week you'll go back to our back
46:54
catalog of podcast and you'll see that like seventeen random podcasts are missing. I
47:00
get from episode thirty one to thirty five, and then forty one's missing.
47:04
The donation has been made. Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know.
47:13
I just I didn't. I didn't. I felt bad because I just
47:15
did not give a shit about anything that happened in this episode. I didn't
47:20
feel like the Core four or five as it may be, they're under no
47:24
threat. I know they're okay, they're going to survive this. We're probably
47:29
this isn't the episode. This episode doesn't deserve to be the one that claims
47:32
the Odyssey. You know, we're not going to lose the Odyssey as a
47:36
ship now at this point of this of what becomes the final season at the
47:40
hands of the Lootion Alliance. They might have taken it, gotten to the
47:44
other side of the galaxy. We have to retrieve it. Sure, but
47:45
we're not gonna it's not going to get destroyed and everyone else around them.
47:50
Like as much as I love Gulia, I mean he got shot and like,
47:54
oh that sucks. You get added a lot to the overall correct,
48:00
and I think in the in the ten episodes we've got left, I can't
48:06
recall if there's any kind of resolution to the Lucian alliance. Hmm ah.
48:09
And that's why I feel like I don't remember them because there wasn't an end.
48:13
Well maybe that maybe there reason where both of us aren't really thinking about
48:15
it, but like I'm wondering, and that would make sense. I'm wondering
48:19
why I don't remember them, yeah at all, or I didn't up until
48:22
they started popping up again. But yeah, that's you summed it up really
48:27
well there, Craig. That I because I was watching this episode and I
48:30
was thinking about, Okay, if they go and make another Stargate series,
48:36
can they go back to, you know, visit mission of the weeks of
48:40
the stuff where they go and they sit with the people and they figure out
48:45
how they live and they don't need to necessarily go in there and americanize them
48:49
and change their way or anything like that, but just to you know,
48:52
both learn and Okay, yeah, that might be very star trekish, but
48:57
I mean, you know, that was a lot of the first three,
49:00
especially seasons of Stargut SG one, where there was those travels and I know
49:02
that that went on for ages and ages, but I just feel like where
49:06
we've had these episodes, even in the last season, they have felt very
49:10
much like filler episodes or trying to give Mitchell an episode too, so we
49:15
can get to know him, Like that's it was more a Mitchell episode than
49:17
it was about learning about the way that politics of a certain planet work and
49:22
how that reflects on us and how we can both learn from each other and
49:25
how we can maybe help these people and take away their oppressional or whatever it
49:30
may be. Because this episode felt like, well, yeah, we have
49:32
to start ticking some boxes, we have to start getting bad guys, take
49:37
them off the you know, off the chess board and all that sort of
49:38
thing. And I'm just like, if someone comes in, No one should
49:42
come in and start watching SG one midway through season ten. But if you
49:45
flick this on, I feel like, if you were a random person,
49:47
this happened to be the episode you flick on and go, I'll just get
49:50
a feel for what this show is. This would be one of the worst
49:52
episodes you could watch. No, it's not one of the worst episodes of
49:55
Star Got On. I mean, it might be but like, that's not
49:59
what I'm say. It's not one of the worst episodes of Stargate SG one.
50:01
I just think as far as trying to get an idea of what this
50:04
show is about, this is not what this show is about. You can
50:07
it on and there's like a squid faced guy walking around with a really weird
50:10
voice while there's you know, other just so much shit going on. As
50:15
your kids would say, it's mid as I would say, see, I
50:21
would say my throwback would be one of my favorite Stargate audio bites. And
50:24
I honestly I'm still trying to find the clip because I can't remember exactly.
50:30
It's either old blonde Weir or the amazing Tory Higgins and we are when she's
50:36
in charge of the SGC and Daniel walks up behind her in the observation room
50:39
where she's looking at the window, staring at the stargate, and he starts
50:43
talking to her, and he doesn't realize that she's got a little phone,
50:46
and she goes, she goes, I don't really care. That's right,
50:51
that's me. That's me watching this episode, her staring at the window,
50:54
going, I don't really care? Is me watching this episode? Because it
50:59
just like he said, it doesn't. It doesn't progress the story, you
51:04
know, really like could they have done without it in this whole season?
51:07
Yes? What do they do? They killed the like fifth guy to be
51:12
in charge of the Odisse, and you could kill him next week. You
51:14
could have killed him last week and would have had the same thing. And
51:15
they didn't kill in the Tarn, the head of the Lution Alliance. They
51:17
killed Anatao, the guy they introduced in this episode comes back later. That
51:24
doesn't mean yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I think there might be one.
51:28
Does loutionalize, because isn't there that I don't think we've seen it yet
51:31
the episode where there's like it's like a road train of a bunch of alkesh
51:36
like looking things that are all held together with like beams, and like the
51:40
team is like putting bombs on them or something like that up with them at
51:44
some point as well. God, I hope not. I'm sure. I'm
51:47
sure they help us out maybe like bounty or bad guys or something. I'm
51:51
sure it's like a pretty big sort of end of season sort of. I'm
51:55
pretty sure we do team up with them later on. Have a look,
52:00
but my batteryest out on my phone. Yeah, well, I mean I've
52:01
got to hear there. The Quest is coming up next. We've got line,
52:06
Line in the Sand, the Road Not Taken, the Shroud, Bounty,
52:10
bad guys, Italian family ties, and then Dominion and an ending.
52:19
So that's what I'm thinking. Maybe Bounty, I don't know, maybe,
52:22
but yeah, it just kind of correct overall. Not a bad episode,
52:29
but not a good episode. I have a feeling it's probably end up in
52:32
my bottom six or seven whatever for the season. Oh yeah, just because
52:37
there's a lot of really really good episodes this season that I really really enjoy.
52:39
Is it one that you could skip if it was on TV or you
52:43
picked up the discs? And we're like, eh, yes, I think
52:45
I just so in you know, in the event that we get a new
52:50
Stargate show and we start to revisit, I don't want to hear about Cussa
52:53
ever again. I don't want I don't want to hear that. Twenty years
52:57
later, we're still dealing with the Lucials and CASA crops and stuff like that,
53:02
like Save Earth and look, the thing is it makes sense that,
53:08
like in the Goulds Absence, you've got the Jafar trying to do their own
53:13
thing. But then you've got the Lutionerllions that are like, hey, this
53:15
is right for the pickings. We've got all these cool ships now right,
53:19
Yeah, they're rising up, they're doing their own thing. And then you
53:21
know all that like that makes sense, and it is a reaction to the
53:24
help that we have put to the galaxy to help free them from the rule
53:30
of the Jafar and all that sort of stuff. And so like by that
53:32
association, the LOUTIONI Lions are almost our responsibility in a sense. If we're
53:37
helping to free the galaxy from the Jafar world, then we should also do
53:42
it with the Lootion Alliance. But like the show itself as as a piece
53:45
of entertainment, is telling us the aria the bad guys. These are guys
53:47
you got to worry about, even though in here it's like we're not talking
53:51
about them, and I'm not saying we need to be talking to them all
53:52
day, every day, every single minute of every episode. But when they
53:57
are such a monumental threat, like I joke before, they're efficient because they're
54:00
all on the same page. No other bad guy that we seem to deal
54:04
with except for the replicators, and even then they started to have Okay,
54:07
we've got the human replicators, but they still they're just like esthetically different to
54:13
the rest, but they've all got the same agenda and the same motive and
54:15
the same ones and all that sort of stuff. Other than the replicators,
54:19
the or I seem to be the only ones that had the same ideas as
54:22
everybody, and that's probably what makes them more dangerous, not more appealing.
54:29
As a viewer, I'd rather the goold still be that. Like again,
54:31
listening to this episode's day and I'm just like, it seems like a bit
54:36
of a It still seems like a trying to think of what was happening in
54:40
the real world at the time, which they would have been using the story
54:45
to relate it to. I'm not sure, And I think that might be
54:49
where the failing is something you actually said, Mitchell, sort of clicks something
54:52
in my head. And I think one of the reasons why the Lucian Alliance
54:57
kind of failed as an idea is when we watch the world, we saw
55:01
the horrendous things we did, We saw the slaves, we saw the Jaffa
55:06
army, you know, being who were also slaves. What have we actually
55:10
seen the Lucian Alliance do to other people other than us that is bad.
55:17
We haven't. We're told that they're this you know, loose group of a
55:22
lot of people trying to control things we're told about. We don't see the
55:25
effects of anyone actually on Kassa and what that's doing to them, you know,
55:30
we don't see. All we see is that we see that one curmudgeon
55:32
guy in the field that time who was like stealing that one piece of Kasa.
55:38
He was fine, he was he's getting high in his own supply.
55:42
We actually haven't seen them like keep other people downpress any anybody their power over,
55:50
and like the did. The show doesn't have enough time for that.
55:53
They've they've got to they have to spend. Even if they didn't know that
55:58
this season at this stage when this in the can they didn't know still this
56:01
season was going to be its last. It's still going to get to somewhere
56:06
by the end of the season. They don't have enough time to establish the
56:07
Lootion Alliance as another threat to them. And it's probably the same thing as
56:15
the Jeni in Atlantis, where the Wraith a very much the valain of that
56:19
show. The Jenia there, and it's like they're not They're not anything until
56:24
they are forced down on us every seven or eight episodes, going what about
56:29
the fighting going on with the civil war, It's like, I don't care,
56:34
there's a coup, No one cares. The space vampires are coming to
56:38
kill us all we can't. But what about this guy? They live underground?
56:43
God, we can't afford to do any Wraith make up this week,
56:45
so let's do a Jeni look and will put him in a warehouse. Yet
56:51
it's like, and that's kind of what the what the Lootion Alliance is like?
56:53
And you the Jafar uniforms just like the right the far like when you
57:00
have miscast actors in it, like a couple of weeks ago. They're kind
57:05
of similar at the moment, but at least we've been around with them long
57:07
enough they've almost earned their place to be an annoying b plot at the moment,
57:13
because again, it's a reaction to what has happened over the first seven
57:17
or eight seasons of the show that you far and now all of a sudden
57:20
free, what do we do with this freedom? Delutional lines like hey,
57:23
we're like a little insect. We were bad, but no one ever really
57:28
cared. But now the big guys are gone, Well, we're going to
57:30
try and establish ourselves as the new mafia and out, hey, no one
57:35
cares about you, mate, Go home. Stop trying to make loutional lines.
57:37
A think there'll always be someone that tries to fill that power vacuum.
57:42
Yeah, yeah, and delution allions probably won't last long. Yeah, before
57:46
we wrap up, did what did you think of the big twist ending of
57:53
Cam being na Tarm as far as jomping you like, he was pretending to
57:59
be Kaflin the whole time, and then when Jupp was like, oh,
58:04
I know who you are, Cam Mitchell, and Cam like spiked him with
58:07
his ring, But they didn't tell him he was Natan until half an hour
58:13
later when they're on a different ship and he walked in and he's like,
58:15
I'm Natan and then Jump believed it. Do you think for that half hour
58:21
between them, Jeff was just believing everything everyone said to him, like I
58:25
was elongated sort of sequence of after you get neuralized in men and black lies,
58:30
as long as someone doesn't stop talking, that's all becomes the truth that
58:35
you believe. Honestly, by that stage, another name thrown in. I
58:38
didn't even remember that he was pretending to be, Like I just I couldn't
58:43
get to really pay attention to the show's credit. They were very detail orientated
58:47
in that if you look at Cam's uniform as Keflin, he had like three
58:52
little bars on his chest, and when he goes to chat with Ntao,
58:55
Ntao's got like four little bars on his chest because apparently if you in an
59:00
organized crime you need rank. Yeah, what happens all the time, right
59:06
of course? Yeah, like you know Tony Soprano, he had, he
59:09
had a crown, he had he had a hat with like five stars on
59:13
it because he was the boss. I don't know, I've never seen the
59:15
show. So when Cam as pretending to be Natan walks in, he's still
59:29
wearing his Kaflin uniform. So he walks in as Natan, but he only
59:35
has three little things on his chest instead of four little things on his chest,
59:38
which as a viewer, you're supposed to see that and go, oh,
59:40
that's not really Natana. There are four lights, right, That was
59:49
the starting reference. Richell, That's why Grinndon just moved on, Oh you,
59:58
what's happening next? Week, Mitch, going back to Pegasus. That's
1:00:01
all. Yeah, I guess, guess what's the episode? Just just tuck
1:00:06
tuck it back in, tuck it in your in your waistband for a second.
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