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Ep. 137 Icon Worship - Joan Rivers! · Notable Nostalgia

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  Speaker 1: I remember when I wrote that, I was like, this
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  Speaker 1: is good. You could be a star. I was sixteen
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  Speaker 1: at the time or fifteen and uh and then hook
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  Speaker 1: it up with a witch episode a smile. Apparently, did
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  Speaker 1: she tell you what she's doing?
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't always mean that she receives a call
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  Speaker 2: from what I can only assume is the future winner
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  Speaker 2: of every acting award ever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jennyman is a star. Her look looks weren't a
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  Speaker 1: part of the issue.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I had to sell my last top.
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  Speaker 1: Hat for Jennas. Maybe this is not appropriate either, but
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  Speaker 1: let's see. It's like that kind of thing. Can we
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  Speaker 1: talk listeners, The answer is yes, and this week we
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  Speaker 1: are bringing you another installment of icon worship. This icon
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  Speaker 1: Worship we will be celebrating the life of the comedian
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  Speaker 1: trailblazer dot dot dot Joan Rivers. Yeah, I am super
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  Speaker 1: I we did our first oh I mean I'm Jeff
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  Speaker 1: by the way, hey, and we did our first icon
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  Speaker 1: worship of Irene White, So go back and listen to that.
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  Speaker 1: She played Carol from one of my favorite shows of
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  Speaker 1: all time, Superstore. So we wanted to bring back icon
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  Speaker 1: worship and that's not limited to people that are alive. Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of icons out there. So John Rivers
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  Speaker 1: is one of mine. Another icon who's still alive, but
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  Speaker 1: like barely. Uh, I need to think before I talked.
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  Speaker 1: Tim Curry is definitely an icon.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Who are some icons that you'd want to do in.
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  Speaker 2: The future, John Candy, John Candy's great one. Mel Brooks,
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  Speaker 2: I think icon mel Brooks gangster.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I was really excited about that because
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  Speaker 1: Ali mcfel was like my jam growing up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I never I just first in the top
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  Speaker 2: of my head or kill.
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  Speaker 1: Bill uh, Charlie's Angels. Charlie's Angels full throttle.
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  Speaker 2: I think she was in the Lieutenant if I remember
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  Speaker 2: correctly with Harvey Kayitel and you see harveytail's wiener and
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  Speaker 2: I think you see her moves.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, so we should do an episode
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  Speaker 1: where like we rate our top five like penises and
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  Speaker 1: movies and titties. Yeah, and I don't know if they
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  Speaker 1: show U vaginas very often alarming, like that's just a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Like in Back Door Slut's three.
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  Speaker 1: The cinematography was amazing, the lighting, you know what, shout
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  Speaker 1: out to cinematography of pornos because there is like there's
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  Speaker 1: probably discussions about the right lighting to like for buttholes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably for sure. Yeah, there has to be
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  Speaker 2: I mean guaranteed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So speaking of buttholes, so joan reverse For listeners
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  Speaker 1: that are a little bit younger, you might not understand
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  Speaker 1: fully like the impact that this person has had on
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  Speaker 1: pop culture and particularly like female comics. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that there's like I'm not trying not to get too
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  Speaker 1: off track with this, but as like a gay guy
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  Speaker 1: like growing up in like the nineties and stuff like
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  Speaker 1: watching any type of like hero woman, like either like
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  Speaker 1: a powerful woman with on the stage for comedy or
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  Speaker 1: hero like in like movies like I always talk about
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  Speaker 1: Nev Campbell because there wasn't representation of really that much
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  Speaker 1: of gay men that weren't stereotyped. A lot of gay
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  Speaker 1: men do kind of attach themselves to divas or iconic
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  Speaker 1: women because they are just badass, they're glamorous, they're unabashedfuly themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sure, So I think that's how where that connection
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  Speaker 1: might come from of like gay men to like superstar women.
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  Speaker 1: And I just remember, I don't know what channel it
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  Speaker 1: was because back in the nineties. We were very limited
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  Speaker 1: on cable, but I remember watching clips or like retro episodes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was like at night time on like
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  Speaker 1: the Weekend of like old episodes of The Tonight Show
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  Speaker 1: when she hosted exists before internet days and the Tonight
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  Speaker 1: Show right now is Jimmy Fallon, and then before that
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  Speaker 1: was Jay Leno Barf and then before that was Johnny Carson,
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  Speaker 1: who I did. I do appreciate him what he brought
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  Speaker 1: to pop culture, and he was he has the reputation
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  Speaker 1: of being besides a woman abuser, he was also like
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  Speaker 1: the most I think the one of the best straight
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  Speaker 1: men of all time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like if you go back and watch this
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  Speaker 2: old stuff, he knew when to make a joke and
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  Speaker 2: when to like go back and just let the other person,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Like he was really good at reading people
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  Speaker 2: and like reading the room and knew what was going
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  Speaker 2: to be funny. But I do have to correct you
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. Okay, it was Jimmy Fallon, Oh yes,
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  Speaker 2: and Miss Conan for yeah, not very many, like one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and forty episodes or not even that. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was like sixty episodes or something like that. And
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  Speaker 2: he got fucked over by Jay Leno.
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  Speaker 1: J Leno is the least funny person of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Like I've had, I've I've I've seen, uh if I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't say that, I've seen documentaries interviewing Auschwitz survivors that
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  Speaker 1: are funnier than him, Like, he's not funny with you,
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  Speaker 1: But I like, I think like stand up comedians, like
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  Speaker 1: the hit the kind of the career trajectory is kind
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  Speaker 1: of seems to be getting into like having your own
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  Speaker 1: talk show, or being a feature guest, or being a guest,
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  Speaker 1: like a guest the guest host of the of the
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  Speaker 1: Tonight Show, where you know, that's kind of like the goal.
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  Speaker 1: And still to this day there's not been a late
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  Speaker 1: night host on on network television. I know that there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of controversy with like, you know, Trump administration,
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  Speaker 1: with the current landscape of like the Late Show and
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmelive and stuff, But in the night in the
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  Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, she was the permanent guest host of
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  Speaker 1: The Tonight Show. That was super important for feminism and
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  Speaker 1: for our pop our culture in general. It was amazing
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  Speaker 1: and she got better ratings than he did, which I
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  Speaker 1: thought was so great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did I think twenty four episodes.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot. That's a lot of episodes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she got I know, so this episode
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  Speaker 1: is icon of Worship. We're gonna kind of be all
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  Speaker 1: over the place a little bit because that's our brand.
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  Speaker 1: But the backdrop of this episode is one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite documentaries of all time, and I've seen so many times.
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  Speaker 1: It's called a piece of work. It's free on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: You can find out another streaming platforms if you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be interrupted with you know, commercials here and there,
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  Speaker 1: but free on YouTube. A piece of work. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of framed in the like a year in the life
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  Speaker 1: of and it is the director I forget her name,
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  Speaker 1: but she also did a documentary on like DAR four.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so then she then she got hired on to
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  Speaker 1: do this. So I don't know which one sad her.
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  Speaker 2: But the way they did this because they bring in
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  Speaker 2: her background, like her history of growing up and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: While she's like during this documentary, she's there's a part
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  Speaker 2: it's not the entire part of it, but there's a
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  Speaker 2: part where she's doing like a play about her life. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and they're incorporating her on stage, like and then it'll
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  Speaker 2: like shoot right back to her being like a child
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  Speaker 2: and everything. I thought it was really cool, Like, what
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  Speaker 2: a great time to do a documentary about her life
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  Speaker 2: while she's kind of doing a play about her life,
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  Speaker 2: and that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they really wind up really well for her, for
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  Speaker 1: the for the producers of it. So another kind of
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  Speaker 1: milestone in my relationship with her was I was a
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  Speaker 1: big fan of red carpet stuff when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 1: I love like the tensil town kind of vibe, and
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  Speaker 1: she brought because she was a part of Hollywood but
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  Speaker 1: also was the outsider as well. So her and her
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  Speaker 1: daughter Melissa would like kind of made the red carpet
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  Speaker 1: appointment television like who are you Wearing? Like that was
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  Speaker 1: a like coined by them. Let's give credit where credits due.
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  Speaker 1: It was really like, you know the data of Leatherface,
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  Speaker 1: who are you wearing? Oh? I thought about that earlier
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  Speaker 1: today and I was like, that's kind of funny and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like the inappropriate. Like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: her material has not super aged very well because not
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  Speaker 1: very politically correct, but her type of humor was very
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  Speaker 1: topical on the pop culture of the time, so that
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  Speaker 1: the pop culture of the time was not politically and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, given you know, excuses, but if
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  Speaker 1: the pop culture and society was not politically correct in
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  Speaker 1: her commentary, her comedy is commentary on the pop culture.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously it's not gonna be politically correct as well.
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  Speaker 2: But I do feel like a lot of the stuff
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  Speaker 2: that she said it wasn't with intent to be mean.
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  Speaker 2: It was you could like, there's different like some people
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  Speaker 2: like I fucking I've hated this kill Tony shit in years.
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  Speaker 2: I can't it's not I don't know, they're just being
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  Speaker 2: mean and going, oh, it's just a joke. Know, you're
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  Speaker 2: you're masking being mean as a joke to like be
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  Speaker 2: oh it's cool, it's just a joke. But like she
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  Speaker 2: would say, inappropriate shit, but it was you could tell
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  Speaker 2: it was a joke. It's different, like it wasn't intentionally
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't. So I think a perfect example, yeah, is
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  Speaker 2: on this one when she does the Michelle Obama thing,
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  Speaker 2: oh instead of Jackie O black yo, and she goes, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just seeing just seeing if anybody be offunded by that.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of funny and it is kind of funny,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And it's nothing super I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it was like mean or anything. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's just a funny play on words, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and like so you don't think so she
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  Speaker 1: shot up to superstardom in the eighties nineties when she
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  Speaker 1: probably the eighties when she really targeted Elizabeth Taylor, who
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  Speaker 1: was the you know, most beautiful woman at like back
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  Speaker 1: in the day, like superstar you know, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: Also homewrecker and I've talked about that before because she
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  Speaker 1: like fucked around with Debbie Reynolds, uh husband anyways, so
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  Speaker 1: she had so you don't I want to way One
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  Speaker 1: of John Rivers jokes is, uh, Elizabeth Taylor was walking
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  Speaker 1: down the street wearing a I'm butchering this but walking
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  Speaker 1: down the street wearing a yellow sweater and like school
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  Speaker 1: kids tried to board her. Damn like a joke, like
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  Speaker 1: what is Elizabeth Taylor? Like she takes her ivy profen
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  Speaker 1: with mayonnaise like that kind of like she targeted. And
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  Speaker 1: then she was interviewed because I loved listening to like
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  Speaker 1: the in depth interviews on Howard Stern with celebrities and
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  Speaker 1: he was talking to her about Elizabeth Taylor and that
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  Speaker 1: fame and like of the you know, putting Elizabeth Taylor down,
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  Speaker 1: which I'll circle back to that, Okay, So because Joan
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  Speaker 1: Rivers did a lot of like the early AIDS work,
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  Speaker 1: Like her hairdresser was a gay man obviously, and he
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  Speaker 1: died of AIDS, and like she was with him when
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  Speaker 1: he died. So she did a lot of like the
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  Speaker 1: early AIDS work. And then Elizabeth Taylor she made a
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  Speaker 1: joke like kind of swooped in and took that away
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  Speaker 1: from her, and she made a joke about giving Elizabeth
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  Speaker 1: Beth Taylor AIDS. I thought that was funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the joke.
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  Speaker 1: Ye yeah, I butchered it. But anyways, but I guess, uh,
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  Speaker 1: she talked to who's that guy that's like kind of
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  Speaker 1: gruff comedian that hey man, it is all respect. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So she asked him did I go too far? Blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah, and apparently he was. He asked Elizabeth Taylor
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  Speaker 1: and she said she never got me where I live.
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  Speaker 1: So like when she was like at her fattest and
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  Speaker 1: super depressed, she still could take a joke. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's like you know, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Also the whole thing about like punching up and punching down.
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  Speaker 2: So she's punching up to one of the you know,
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  Speaker 2: Elizabeth Taylor for hundreds of years is going to be
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  Speaker 2: known as one of the queens of Cinnamon, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's It's not like Joan Rivers was making
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  Speaker 1: fun of like the the butler to Elizabeth Taylor that
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  Speaker 1: had to change her diaper, like you know what I
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  Speaker 1: mean after she like ate a bunch of sloppy jokes.
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  Speaker 1: So so I think a lot of my ye, she's
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  Speaker 1: like more she doesn't anyways, So I think I got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of my type of humor
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  Speaker 1: is kind of more insult humor. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's like really humor what I'm just saying, Like I
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  Speaker 1: think Anna Kendricks a dumb slut. But but a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my humor comes from that punching up. Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna diss Anna Kendrick's mom because
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  Speaker 1: she already has to deal with that ship.
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  Speaker 2: That sells like sense and ship.
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  Speaker 1: Is that punching down. I mean they're a business, business owner,
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  Speaker 1: but no, for listeners, that don't understand. I think that
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  Speaker 1: the most disgusting thing you could do is be a
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  Speaker 1: sincy salesperson. Okay, So I want to talk about a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about her history and a couple of anecdotes
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  Speaker 1: that I'm sure I've shared with this on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But so I find it so interesting by watching this
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  Speaker 1: when they started talking about the play, that her dream
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  Speaker 1: was always to be an actress. Yeah for sure, and
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  Speaker 1: be like a serious one. And I know that there's
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  Speaker 1: like a story she would take a picture of her
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  Speaker 1: as a kid in the frame and like mail the
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  Speaker 1: framed picture of herself, like she take off the piano
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  Speaker 1: to like major like movie studios, and how like endearing
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  Speaker 1: that was. But she just wasn't never caught her break
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  Speaker 1: with that kind of serious acting. But she knew that
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  Speaker 1: she could always rely on comedy to make a living.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's so cool that her fallback career
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  Speaker 1: was being a comedian. That's awesome, Like that's badass.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the dad from Boyman's World. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I with so much names, Rusty something I can't remember,
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  Speaker 2: but you played the dad and Boyman anyways said the
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  Speaker 2: one reason he took he goes because you know, when
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  Speaker 2: you're an actor and you're really you know, I want
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  Speaker 2: to be in these big movies and you know, the
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  Speaker 2: door keeps shutting on you, and he goes. You just
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  Speaker 2: have to kind of accept doors that are open. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with that, you know, he was
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  Speaker 2: on a show for seven years, just that he needed
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  Speaker 2: other stuff too, but yeah, I mean, if the door
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  Speaker 2: is open, go through it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I really appreciate that. And then she was
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  Speaker 1: a writer, and she also appeared several times on fuck
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  Speaker 1: what was that variety show? Like the I can't think
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  Speaker 1: of it at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Had her own variety show for a while too.
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  Speaker 1: Well sorry, no, wait, hold on, what was the I'll
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  Speaker 1: circle back to it. But she was a writer, and
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  Speaker 1: she the comedy writer. And that's how she got on
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  Speaker 1: Tonight's show. Was Bill Cosby Crazy Crazy was like, hey, like,
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  Speaker 1: try out this female writer because they always haid writer
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  Speaker 1: not comedian. She can't be any worse than these other
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  Speaker 1: people you got. And that's how she got her spot
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  Speaker 1: on the Tonight Show. And and it still it gives
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  Speaker 1: me a little chills when she says in the in
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  Speaker 1: the documentary that the first time because if Johnny Carson
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  Speaker 1: liked you as a comedian or whatever. He'd invite you
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  Speaker 1: over to the to the couch and he like looked
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  Speaker 1: at her and was like, you're going to be a star.
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  Speaker 1: And I just thought that was so cool that like
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  Speaker 1: that was one good thing that Johnny Carson did. Well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean think a like David David Spade, Dana Carvey,
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  Speaker 2: any stand up comedian from the eighties, probably to like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a seventies, eighties any sandum comedian, and if
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  Speaker 2: you got, if you got called over all of them
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  Speaker 2: at Johnny Carson, every single one of them said your
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  Speaker 2: life is going to change the next day. Because back
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  Speaker 2: then there were only three main stations. So let's say
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  Speaker 2: a hundred million people are watching TV that night, even
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  Speaker 2: and let's say just for Stitts and Gigs all it's
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  Speaker 2: all separated perfectly between the three stations. That's thirty three
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  Speaker 2: million people watching you. But Johnny Carson was so big
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  Speaker 2: it is probably like I don't know the number of people.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just yea the numbers fifty million people watching a night.
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  Speaker 2: So if Jarney's like, hey, you're gonna be funny, and
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  Speaker 2: you're funny, then the next day I bet your phone's
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  Speaker 2: blowing up. Yeah, that's fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was bugging me. It was the Ed Sullivan Show.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so Ed Sullivan. I think she says in
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  Speaker 1: the documentary, like Johnny Carson gave you the coast, Ed
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  Speaker 1: Sullivan gave you the country. So Massip like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one one moment, there's like a puppet one moment, there's
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like America's got talent, Like it's just
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  Speaker 1: like that kind of variety show. So she was right
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  Speaker 1: around there. She performed I think it was like twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven times or something like that. The way that Ed
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  Speaker 1: Sullivan would do this was like he would put you
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  Speaker 1: in these like gorgeous gowns or dresses, and if he
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  Speaker 1: thought you did good, his assistant would come up after
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  Speaker 1: when she would be like changing, put up her dress
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  Speaker 1: on the on the coat rack, and the system would say,
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  Speaker 1: Mistress Sullivan wants you to keep the gown.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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  Speaker 1: And she always kept every gown. But even like I
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  Speaker 1: think they talk about this in the documentary as well,
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  Speaker 1: like back when she was on The Ed Sullivan Show,
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  Speaker 1: she couldn't even say that she was pregnant because of
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  Speaker 1: the time. That time you couldn't say it pregnancy. She
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  Speaker 1: also made jokes about abortion and you like it was
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  Speaker 1: so taboo. And she says in the documentary that, like
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  Speaker 1: she was edgy for the time. I think she was
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  Speaker 1: edging until she died, But she was very, very edgy
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  Speaker 1: because before her was Phyllis Diller and then Mom's Maybeley,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: who was kind of like a character, like a young
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: African American woman who almost like golden girls like Sophia
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: like made herself look older, and then as like the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: decades went on, she kind of became herself. So she
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: was playing an old woman for most of her life. Yeah, yeah, ageless.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: So then she, like we talked about she guest co
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: hosted for so long, had some controversy on that show
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: when she guest co hosts guest hosted, particularly with Oprah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: She made a lot of jokes about Oprah, Like she
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: was very focused on Oprah's weight, and this has been
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Oprah before, long before Oprah's like syndicated talk show Obra
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: came on and she's kind of going on the circuit
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: right now and she's talking about her experience on there. Yes,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Joan Rivers was very critical about weight and like women's weight,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: but that not again. I feel like I'm an apologetic
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: person for John Rivers. But at the time, like she
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: was scrutinized herself and she had like has in her
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: books and everything has gone over, like her battle with
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Bolimia and her exia and that kind of thing, And
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I think she took that pain of eating disc like
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: when she found out what skipped before when she found
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: out that her husband killed himself. She was getting liposeection.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, Like that's that's the kind of like mind
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: space that this woman was in.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Well that's one thing I was thinking when I was
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: watching it, because like, I think she's pretty. She was
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: pretty when she was younger, but I wonder if she
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: was like bombshell pretty. I wonder if the people would
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: have given her the same amount of Like I don't know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: like I just feel like, especially back then, if someone
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: if you were too pretty and you're like a female comic,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: they'd be like, they wouldn't pay attention to your das
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: you know. I wonder, but she wasn't ugly by any means.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: She was pretty, but she wasn't bomb show pretty, but
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: she was pretty enough to her Like I think she's
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: really you know, she was when she was younger, So
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I wonder if there was some kind of you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't live back then side.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It's interesting, Well that makes me think of is the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: similar time Barbara Walters was coming up, and before Barbara
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Walters started co host to The Today Show, any type
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of news person that was a woman was called the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Today Show girl. Like how demeaning that is and everything,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: and but she came in she was like, I want,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you know, fifty percent of the hard hitting news stories.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I don't wanted to be doing like the cooking segment,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And Barbara Walters, you know, had
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a speech impediment and also wasn't conventionally like golgieous, and
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: so I think it's a similar thing. Like Joan Rivers
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: was very glamorous and over the top, but she didn't
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: lean into like the kind of uglifying herself like philistillar Dick,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: because Philistiller was very waspy and stuff. But she kind
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of put on a character a little bit more of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: kind of slumpy. And then Mom's Abily obviously was more
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of a character as well. So she in nineteen seventy eight,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: she and they talk about this too on the obviously
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: on the documentary she did her directorial debut Rabbit Test,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: which had Billy Crystal in that movie very the absurd
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: kind of movie, kind of like Airplane, and she made
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: kind of a reverent, slastic humor. Okay, so she has
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: been in interviews and stuff. If that would have came
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: out after Airplane, then it could have possibly been more
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of not been panned. But I think Airplane was one
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of the beginning of that kind of absurd you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: modern times. Yeah, like how in our generation scary movie
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of Dwayne's brothers. And yeah, because this was like what
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: two or three years after like SNL came on, ye,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: so like the comedy scene was so different like pre SNL.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: So true. Yeah, and if you think about it, yeah,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: SML really kind of started that whole parody thing and
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it was it was a hit, but it was still
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the beginning to where it wasn't like, yeah, oh a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: weird neck.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen eighty six, she became the first woman
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to host a late night talk show, The Late Show
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: starring Joan Rivers. So she obviously, in my opinion, was
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: not set up for success because, according to Joan Rivers,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: her first call that she made when she was offered
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the job was to Johnny Carson. He hung up the phone,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: she called him back, he hung up again. But I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if they talk about this at the documentary
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: or not, but the reason that she took the job
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was number one. I think she was at the Tonight
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Show for like twenty years or something like that, like
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a fucked long a time, and there was a list
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: going around of like the top ten people that could
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: replace Johnny Carson when he retires, and she was not
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: on the list, So I mean, why, Yeah, so of
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: course she's gonna take her own late night show, Like
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: who wouldn't do that? And the first episode had share
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Elton John and Pee Wee Herman, and I'm like, that's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a list right there. But I think that since he
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: was pitted against, like he blacklisted a lot of celebrities
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: from going on her show, and she was on Fox,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: which was a new cable channel, she wasn't really set
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: up for success. And then Larry Diller, who was like
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the head mancho and what's the fact, Wow, wow wow,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: who's the head guy? Rupert Murdoch. They were so against
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Edgar who is Joan Rivers's husband at the time that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it was like they were fighting over things like what
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: kind of what color of skittles? Like bullshit, shit like that,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and of ad I think one of them said to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: her the doesn't wag the dog? Tell your husband?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were like, yeah, I can fire him.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not doing that, and they basically fired her
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: because of that.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they fire that's horrible. And then and then she
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: talks about how she ran into hell some one of
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the producers years later and they said to her, we
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: never lost a dollar on you, and she said, like
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that made it so much worse that it was personal
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: because she could comprehend because she's a business woman, like, oh,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: they fired me because they were losing money, but it
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: was all personal. And then Edgar ends up going to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: like a Pennsylvania or something like that and killing himself.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: In the four Seasons, well.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: She even said that he was really hard to work with,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I wonder how Yeah, that's weird, but
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: like I feel like just based on you just corporations
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: and you know, being heartless and everything, I wonder how
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: shitty he must have been, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: for them, like let's say they were making you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: fifty million a year, Like, yeah, I don't know, that's weird.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Like those producers, like I give them props for sure,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: for like going against Johnny Carson, who was like pop
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: culture king to like give her this, this young woman
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like a chance to run her do something that no
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: one out, no other woman has ever done like that
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: takes that takes the balls.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: We gotta think on her and too, like I just
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: so he was you said eighty six when it started.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so that means he ended in ninety three,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: so there was only six ish years left. So she
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: probably knew, hey, this is coming to an end soon.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not on that list to you know, to follow him.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: And whoever they choose, are they gonna still have me
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: guest hosts? Probably yeah, that'd be weird. So she had
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to look for herself to like try to keep surviving.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and learning how horrible Johnny Carson was to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like his women, like his wives and like women that
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: he was with. He allegedly like hit women, so he
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: couldn't necessarily hit Joan Rivers, so this was like his
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: way of hitting her, like how dare you betray me?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: But like Bill Cosby left got his own show got
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to come back promoted all the time people will let
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: but like they say, like women don't wea like he
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: was so misogynistic in my opinion that he couldn't tolerate
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a woman, leaving him to be better or even equal.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel too, just like Johnny Carson, because I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: think his show started in sixty four, sixty two, sixty three,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: right around there. I don't know, so to be the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: king for those thirty years, you probably have to be
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a piece of shit, you know what I mean. So
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I could definitely see him going like, oh, you're gonna
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm assuming the shows are probably on a right
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: around the same time. Do you ever take a half hour?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So I can definitely see him just being like anybody
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that goes against me needs to go down, you know
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like just fuck them, you know.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: So it makes sense too that I don't know what
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Johnny Carson thought. Maybe I need to look this up
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: thought of jay Line, But from everything I her, jay
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Leno was kind of like he was like hiding closets
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: right well, it was like, yeah, yeah, it was supposed
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: to be Letterman, Yeah, but then Leno starts getting people's
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: ears and you know, doing shady ship and then he
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: got it and that's why Letterman went to CBS or whatever.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Jesus men just like piece of ship men, protect piece
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of ship men. And I think a Letterman is so
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: much funnier than uh Jay Leno.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Every Letterman is kind of a piece of shit too,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: but I think his comedy is way better than Leno
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's not on the air very long.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: He is one hundred and fifty episodes. Yeah, that's a
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: lot or something like that.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he ends up. Edgar ends up taking his life
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and I think I did share this either with you
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: or with the listener too. So he kills himself and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: then or it takes us, you know, the suicide in
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: another state. And there's all of this because Joan Rivers
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: is super popular at this time, and then there is
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: like all this fanfare like, oh, we need to do
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: an autopsy. We can't ship his body back or like
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: mailis or whatever, like fly his body back, we have
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to do it was getting all held up. So Joan
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Rivers had a connection with Nancy Reagan at the time,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: So she calls the White House in the middle of
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the night because she's in California, the White House is
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: over on the other side of the country and somehow
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: gets connected to Nancy Reagan, and Nancy Reagan says, I'll
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: see what I can She's like, I gotta get the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: body back. I have to get the body back for Melissa.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I have to get the body back, and Nancy Reagan says,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I'll see what I can do. The body was back
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the next day. That's crazy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane. I didn't know that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Wow, I thought that was so interesting and neat.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I do want to watch that movie that they do, though,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: like and during the Oh my god, I don't know, like,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: so is it like bad?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So no, okay, not bad, but okay so out uh.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Pretty much within a year or so after Edgar Edgar's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: suicide the way that Joan and Melissa rivers, Melissa is
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: like a a late teenager at this time. Probably they
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: do like a made for TV movie where they play
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: themselves dealing with edgar suicide.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I want to watch it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never I've never seen it because it's always
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: been so cringe to think about. But I need to.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it's like because it's it's a made
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: for TV movie so automatically I feel like the production
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: isn't gonna be the best, and she's really funny, so
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I wonder if I don't know, I like, in my head,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, are they gonna try? I know that it's
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: not gonna be like a full on like comedy, yeah,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: but I wonder if there's gonna be like comedic elements
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: in it or if it's gonna be just more of
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: a drama. But I was thinking we should do that movie,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Would be so yeah, I'm really surprised. I've never I've
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: never seen it, but but I appreciate how they do
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: talk about Edgar suicide and they do like the work
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that Melissa and Joan did to help survive her, like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: family of people that have died of suicide was so beautiful.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And then the way that they talk about it too,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I know, in every situation so different. But like in
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the documentary, Joan is like I'm still angry, Like you're
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: like pretty much like you're a piece of shit. Like
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I looked by his picture and I'm like, you left
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: me in this like he was a bad businessman, left
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: her with nothing. Yeah, just her life was going bananas
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: at this point.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: The little thing she says too. I think is really
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: important because when they talk about it, she goes, like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the next week or the next day we started, probably
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: not the next day, but yeah, the next week we
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: started therapy and we went and then we did a
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: couple or not couples, but we went therapy together and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: we did it. And that's really important, especially back then.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: You know, even twenty ten when the documentary came out,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I feel like therapy was still it's getting better now,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: like a lot better now than it was, but even
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, people were still like, oh, therapy. So
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: for her just say like, hey, we went to therapy.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: It helped us out a lot. I think it's really important.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was not just like with her humor, but
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: like with yeah, how she conducted herself personally was very progressive.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: She does talk about how she was blacklisted definitely after
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the Fox show was over, like she was back to
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: going to like the village and getting like a number
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: for like open mics kind of things. Like she was
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: down to like nothing, but like that's all she could
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: do is her When people have a passion like I'm
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: going to be a comedian or I'm gonna be a whatever,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be a into people that are really
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: into sports. You can't function. It's like it's like air
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, like how you like if you couldn't
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: play an instrument or even like playing the drums a
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: little bit, and you you probably go stir crazy.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's like one thing Conan says, well that
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: John John Candy said to Conan when Conan met him
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: when he was young. He was like, you know a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: thing about kind of trying this comedy thing, and John
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Candy's like, you don't try comedy. You do comedy. And
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that's like, you know, if you want to do it,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: that's you. You do comedy, and so that's what you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and that's what she did. Like what else she gonna do?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Like if I couldn't, like I'm definitely no level of comedian,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: but like if I couldn't make a joke or space
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: like a horrible situation into something good, if I couldn't say,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: like what a piece of shit Anna Kendrick is, I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: would go crazy. Like That's like that's how I kind
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of compartmentalize trauma. And I probably should talk my shrink
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: about this. But like, if you can make something funny,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: then you can get.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Through it, Yeah, for sure.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: So I love that. So she stumbled, you know, climbed,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: not stumbled, stumbled a lot, and then climbed back and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: she got offered a daytime talk show. And I think
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: that was like at the time. I think that was
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the sometime in like the mid nineties. It went from
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: ninety or eighty nine. So she was down for about
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: three years.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Especially the way she lived those three years of not
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: making the money she's used to, I mean that was
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: fucking hard.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Because in the documentary there's that scene
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: where the guy brings in like my persisses brings into
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the check. She's just like yeah, She's like, if if
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you work for me, your your kids are going to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: private school, like she pays for everything like that. It's
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: all about the next generation for her.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: She's like when you see, somebody told her when she's
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: younger that when you make it big, you're like an industry. Yeah,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: She's like, I'm like an industry. I have all these
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: people working for me that like, if I don't make money,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: they're not gonna make money. And let's say it's fifteen people.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Those fifteen people have families, so then those fifteen people.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Let's say each person has I don't know three people,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: that's forty five people that you're that if you don't
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: make money, forty five people are gonna be How that's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. That's so much fucking stress.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Like you remember Behind the Music on VH one, there
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: was such a powerful episode, the TLC episode, and they
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: break down, like Left Eye breaks down, like how the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: most popular girl group at the time goes bankrupt and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: it's so short. Like Taraji Pansen recently came out and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: told about that, Like, yeah, if you get ten million
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: dollars immediately, like a lot of that's going to Uncle Sam,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and then you have to pay your publicist, your agent,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: your stilist, your manager, all these people that work for you.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: You're that ten million dollars is very limited and that
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: ten million dollars Also, what you're left with has to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: last to you until hopefully there's something next.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: For you, especially with the music industry, because then they
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: would be like, uh, okay, you know you're gonna record
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: a CD, but out of that ten million, we'll just
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: say you have to pay for that recording session, you
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: have to pay for the instruments, you have to pay
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: for like everything, so just such that music and issue
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: was such a fucking scam. It's getting a little bit
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: better now because people can do themselves, but god damn.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And then like the difference between like then because she
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: came up with and I talk about him all the time,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: but Woody Allen barf. She came up with Barbara streisand
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: they did a play together where they played lesbians. It
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: was like off off off Broadway. But I guess they
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: liked a had a kiss on stage. It was like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: in the sixties or seven or before she popped off.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: But I was gonna say so. She around the nineties
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: when she had the Jones Rivers she won her first
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and only Emmy off for the daytime talk show. And
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that speech is so amazing. She's in tears, she's, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: just talking about it. It was a triumphant moment, like
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it was the most important thing to her to like
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: come back, like be reaccepted to an extent by the industry.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: It was amazing.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Here two years ago, I couldn't get a job in
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: this business. I could not get a job. My income
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: dropped to one sixteenth of what it was before I
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: was fired. And people said I wouldn't work again, and
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: my husband, as you know, had to break down. It's
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: so sad that he's not here because it was my husband,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Edgar Rosenberg. What we said, you can turn things around.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: And except for one terrible moment in a hotel of
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia when he forgot that this is really him because
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: he was with me from the beginning. And I'm so sorry.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so amazing. And I think there was fires,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you know, last year, and Melissa was like their house
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: didn't burn down or anything, but she was like, what's
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the one thing? Like she would save the Emmy like
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Melissa would because that means everything to her family. Also,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in the nineties, she got the partnership that really helped her,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and that was with QVC. Also like completely she revolutionized
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: home shopping and that was so amazing like that because
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: now we just everything is Amazon and blah blah blah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: But back then, listeners that are a little younger you
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: watch live TV and they would be.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, somebody, it's wild.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Like if there's like a like a vacuum cleaner, there
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: would be somebody talking like me and Andy talking. Andy
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: would like, oh, this one's going to pick up and
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: he like dump grape juice all over and then I
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: would show him with the vacuum how he I can
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: clean up.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: It's so quiet. I can't even hear that it's on
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: It was so and she liked that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: But then you would call in and then you'd give
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: them your credit card number or send the check and
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: then six to eight weeks later you would get it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: But it was like but at the time, that was like, uh,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like that was revolutionary and that was like amazing. Oh,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I could order back in the day two magazines and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: people don't know that. That's like websites, which people don't
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: know what that is. So instagram posts used to come
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and book like like little books that were sold at
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the grocery store, which you don't know what that is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: because there's like door dash for food.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Sears start by they were the first one to do
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: the magazine order. You could order stuff on the magazine
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: in like the thirties or forties, but that's what started seis.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: But seers are not of business. Yeah, so even just
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: saying seriers, the younger people like what that's crazy.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She then she got into like jewelry designing and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: to stay on brand of her over like ompion. I'm
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: trying to use word like bigger words, so it's not
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: my brand over the top glamour. She would do like
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: these very elaborate costume jewelry that really just like sustained
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: her over these career highs and lows. But the part, again,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: like I talked about the beginning, that I really like
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: fucked around with her was the Red Carpets. It was
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: so amazing, Like I loved like knowing the deep because
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: back then the stars would not be you know, paid
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to wear jewelry or paid to wear They'd be just
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: styling themselves pretty much because nobody gave a fuck. So
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: like we had b York with her, you know, Goose
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: thing or whatever, and we had like just fashion, like
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow that dump truck she wore that like Ballerina
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: dress when Harvey Weinstein bought her an oscar.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, I uh well the thing too. That's why
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: it's so important because just I know we're sounding old here,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: but now, like celebrities are on Instagram, so you get
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: you get to see what they're doing every day. But
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: you know, in the seventies, eighties, and nineties, you'd only
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: see them in a magazine or on TV. So for
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: her to show the you know, viewer, what this person's wearing,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: people are like really in there is a huge fucking
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: thing Like yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: So much of my childhood was like getting magazines and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: like looking at their outfits, looking at the celebrity gossip
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and like, remember, this is gonna date us for sure.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Remember when Angelina Jolie went to I Love Oh my gosh,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: she's so messy in the nineties when she Billy Bob
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: they're wearing each other's blood. They said that they just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: fucked in the limo. But then also when in Julie
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: went with her brother and they had that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Kiss weird, Yeah you.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: So, and then Joan Rivers is us being like what
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the fuck is going on over here? Like that's what
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: we were doing. Like she was the voice for the voiceless,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like yeah, she got if someone looked like a hot
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: like hot mess, she was the one to be like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you look like a dump truck.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Well, like the thing with Joan Rivers for me is
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: she was just someone that was always there. Yeah, from
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: like I don't remember a time in my life when
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: she well I guess you know, recently, but yeah, you
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: know because she passed away. But yeah, growing up, you
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: would just see her like in cartoons like uh, you
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: know she Simpsons would make a joke, you know, or
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Looney Tunes or whatever. But she was always in like
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: in the in the entertainment, but also like you said earlier,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: like but also on the outside.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: She was like the periphial version of it, always there,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and she did I'm gonna mess up the name, but
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: she played in Spaceballs John Candy. Oh no, that's a connection,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: John Canden, and she played the C three po thing.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And then but back to the kind of the documentary,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I a few parts that just really was like fuck,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: when I first watched it and when I rewatch it,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: when Melissa's talking about like comedians have this innate like
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: insecurity because you're going on stage pretty much, like just
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: laugh with me, laugh at me, just laugh, I need
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you to laugh. And then the other really astute point
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that she said was because she was the only child,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: but there was another sibling, and that was the industry,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: because her parents were so career driven and like, yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I'm the daughter, but I also had a sibling and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: it was the industry.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I thought that was amazing and then another part of
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the kind of storyline was her relationship with that manager
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of hers.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me a little bit sad. But then
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: when the second time I watched it, I guess this
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: happened a few years ago too, So the first time
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I watched it, I almost wanted to start crying. The
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: second time I watched it, it was still sad, but
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: but then I kind of focused more on him because
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: it affected me so much the first time. And at
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: one point he goes, they keep asking me to like
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: pull rabbits out of my hat. I only have so
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: many rabbits, like you know, And so the second time
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: didn't make me as sad, but it's still really sad,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: just as a friend, not like as of like a
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: business thing. But just like when she was like talking
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: about like I don't have anybody to say, like, hey,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: do you remember this?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, yeah, that hit. That's so relatable,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: especially when you're a person of a particular age or
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: whatever your situation is like some pointless thing like hey
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: do you remember when so and so had that hair?
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: You know, people aren't gonna know that, And I thought
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that was so interesting. Another thing which I see a
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: lot of myself in her in the sense of like
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the insecurities, because I definitely use humor as a like
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: defense mechanism. But also, and I saw this today because
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I always I'm somebody that has like a physical day planner.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I have to even though I have my phone to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: put reminders on, I have my computer artwork to put
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: reminders on. I'm somebody that needs to write it down
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and like that kind of thing. So when she's like
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: looking through her day planner and she says like, this
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: is my biggest fear, she goes forward a little bit
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and it's all blank or like the manager's like, hey,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: get out the planner and she's like, I'll get my
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: sunglasses because all the white and then like, I know, listener,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I can't see it. Look at my day planner. Yeah,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Like I have this, Uh it's probably overshare, but I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: have this like and like feeling where I need to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: be busy. Maybe the listener, you're my shrink right now
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: that I need to be busy to feel like I'm somebody. Fuck,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I really need to my listener, my shrink to listen
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to this episode.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Well, the reason I started volunteering for the Elsinor is
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: because I was talking to my therapist last year and
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I saw him how the winner always actually upset and
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I get depressed really bad. And uh, I was like, well,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: you know, there's nothing to look forward to, and he goes, well,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe try to start looking forward to something.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, you know what, let me
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: start doing a little extra things. And I feel like
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that helps a lot with mental you know.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: But one thing I was gonna say about Joan Rivers
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: and it made me really sad the second time after
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I watched it the second time because the first time,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think she's trying to mask well I okay,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: so I don't know how if I'm gonna say this correctly.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: So she's talking about the whole industry thing and making money,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: she needs to keep working and stuff right, And I
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: feel like subconsciously she and I don't know, I never
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: met her, but I feel like she's using that basically
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: as a way because she won't admit to herself that
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: she's not she needs to keep doing this to prove
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: to herself that she's worthy.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know how to say it, but it
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: made me feel so sad because she's been around for like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you know, forty something years in the business and being
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest stars, and I feel like she
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: never gave herself any like flowers, no I am, even
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: though she does say like I'm an icon and she
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: makes jokes like that. I think she's doing that because
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: other people do that and it's expected of her. But
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like, just based on what I watched, I
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: feel like she never once gave herself like, hey, good job.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: And that's why I'm getting sad thinking about it. But
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: that's and it made me really sad, like just because
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: she's like, I need to keep doing this just to
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: prove that I'm worthy of just whatever.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I get, Like, it's just so fucked up, and like
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: thinking about it, she had no contemporaries. She had nobody.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: She had her daughter, and she definitely had a very
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: codependent relationship with her daughter and very toxic at some points,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: but she had no There was no other female comedians
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: at that time. A couple came before, a lot came,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a lot more came after, but really there was nobody
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: on her level. And she was so blacklisted. Her partner
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: in crime died, so what who did she have? And
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: she I don't think she ever got. She got her
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: flowers a little bit after she passed, because she did
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: win a Grammy for Best Recording a Book or whatever
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the titles called called for her last book, Diary of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: a Mad Diva, which is amazing. Sidebar some of her
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: other books men are stupid and love big boobs, so
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: it's like a a Z guide of plastic surgery, and
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: like the covers her with like a fake chest with
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like big old titties. And then my favorite book of
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: hers is I Hate everyone starting with me, And I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: think that's the thing that kind of saved her with
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: her comedy a little bit is yeah, she punched up,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: she punched down, but she also punched inWORD. Every joke
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: she made about her husband, people were like, oh, you're
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: dogging on him too much. It was it was at
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: her expense, Like he's like trying to unbiteen her blouse,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: but like she's like those are my nipples, like like
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: those kinds of things. And I think the comedian's job
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: back then, back the was she he called out, there's
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: a joke he called out his secretary's name in bed
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: was bad. What's worse is she called from underneath the bed.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: She was like hello, So yeah.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: That's one of the things I loved, all the jokes
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: she had, the way she and you told my god
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: until I could visualize it. Yeah, listener, you should go
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: watch the documentary because another thing that makes you sound old.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Libraries used to have this like system. This is crazy.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: It's so wild that how times have changed.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: They had these little cards and you could find books
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: based anyways. I don't know how to explain. It's weird,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: but there's these. She has a ton of jokes.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Even further, a library is a place where book you
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: can get them for free because you pay taxes. And
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: what a book is is like instagram post turned into
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: like a physical like hard copy. Yeah, they murdered her
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and then the books or something that is about environmental stuff.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: So yeah, she had this like file, like little fat
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: file cabinets with with she would write down every joke.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: If she thought of a joke, she'd write down on
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: a little cue card, a little card, index card, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: put it and file it away. I think the one
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: they read on there is like why should why should
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a woman learn how to bake so she so her
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: husband could tell some hooker my wife's a good cook,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know what I mean, like that kind
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: of thing.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't like it wasn't there was a ship
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: ton of these filing cats and they were like organized
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: like one I think, said Phyllis Diller, Like she must
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: have just had a shit ton of jokes about or.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: See the one that said Tony Danza.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I love that. I was like, that's so
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: fucking good. Yeah, that's great.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: So then she just like pull those and like when
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: she wrote, uh, Diary of a Mad Diva, it's set
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: up like she's writing every day in like a diary
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and and but she really, you know, just pulled cards
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and I kind of used as inspiration. But I thought
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that was so greatly because her jokes are like her
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: other child like they like, Wellsta talks about the documentary
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and to be able to hold that joke in her hand.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: What she just loved that really.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Quock about the jokes too. She always talks about how
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of hard work to make funny jokes,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: like and you know, when you watch a stand up comedian,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: it just seems so fluid. But you know, I'm kind
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: of like a I'm not like a stand up snob,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: but like a historian, like I've done a lot of
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: you know, readings about you know, sant comedy and anyways,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: they always do the same thing to where they talk
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: about how they'll do the same joke for like a
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: year and then they'll say, oh, you know what, maybe
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I'll say, I don't know, Uh, I'm trying to think
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: of something, uh beheaded instead of killed, you know, or whatever,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and they'll just do these little tweaks and then they'll
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: go in front of people and Okay, it didn't get it,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: you know. So it is a lot of hard work.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: And I love that she says that because I feel
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: like people don't realize how hard it is to be
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: a stand up comedian.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Because saying like cut someone, it's the head off, beheaded,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you can make a joke about getting head.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's all these little nuances that people don't
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: realize being a stand up comedian. She was one of
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: the best. So yeah, she worked really hard for it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And I think that, uh, for listeners that might not remember,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: like weren't around this time late night talk shows where
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: she got a lot of her notoriety from was like
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: appointment television, Like oh, Joan Riversus is hosting the Tonight Show.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Tonight we have to watch it, blah blah blah, or
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: like parents send their kids to bed and then they
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: watch the Tonight Show or Late Night or whatever it is,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and the kids kind of sneak out or if they're
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: like bath their eye. Okay, Jeff, you can come out
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: watch this. It was so and person it was so personal,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: and it was aired at the same time. It was
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of times h taped live, so everybody in
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: America is watching it at the same time. But like nowadays,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: if I don't think I've watched Late I've watched a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: lot of Late Night, but I watch it on YouTube
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: or on TikTok or little short clips. But that was
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: like appointment television.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when I watch SNL now most of the
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: time it's like the day or two after and I
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: watch them all on YouTube.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like right now, for example, if this was
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: thirty years ago, you and I wouldn't we would be
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: watching tgif probably like think good as you know on ABC,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: we've been watching Boy Meet's World full House because it's
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Friday evening. So now we can like if now that
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: that's the case, you just watch your little programs on
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: your phone. But another and I hate, I hate that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: this asshole makes a cameo in this in this movie.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: But when she wins a celebrity Apprentice, that was like
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: her big like third or fourth or fifth comeback and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: even though fuck Donald Trump, but that got her also
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: back on network TV get her Yeah. And also it
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: had to be emotional because it was on NBC.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: So and then that immediately she wins that and she's like,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I have this going on and this going on and
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: this going on, and then the other her resurgence. Right
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: before she passed, she had Joan and Melissa Joe Knows Best,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: which was like kind of tongue in cheek reality show
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: because they hosted Fashion Police. So Joan was a New Yorker,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: but Melissa lived in La so every week she Joan
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: would fly over and stay with Melissa. So they just
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: started recording it. And then on top of that, Joan
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: had a talk show on the Internet called in Bed
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: with Joan and she yeah remember that. Yeah, So she
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: had like you know, Christ Janner, like FLEs celebrity know,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Chris Jenner, ru, Paul Kathy Griffin, Aubrey Plaza like all
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: those people, and they just like lay in bed with
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: her and like chit chat, which was like so fun
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and campy. And then what was her other Do she
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: have another show?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Jackass?
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: You're right, but like you know, Fashion Police was like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the biggest because back in the day, entertainment television you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: was super popular. And she just did such a great
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: job on that show too, just like raking these people
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: that are getting millions of dollars to wear a fucking
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: dress through the coals. But I just and then unfortunately,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: like this obviously is not covering the documentary happened later
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: she died. I feel bad saying that she died doing
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: what she loves best, getting medical work time she died
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: getting she had such a raspy voice, probably from talking
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: so much, and also like unfortunately blame me and stuff.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So she was getting like a procedure done not in
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a hospital, which really confuses me because she was so
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: rich and stuff, and they didn't There's a lot I
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: think they sued the Melissa sued them, but she died,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: but on a not positive note. But the night before
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: she did like an hour or something of stand up,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: so she like that's yeah, if you're gonna, I would
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: love to go like doing what I love the best.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: If you think about the last like probably twelve hours
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: of her life, she did stand up, she got work done.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, but uh, but that one, definitely
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: that was a celebrity death that like really hit. There's
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: been a few of them, like Robin Williams of course,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: died around the same time. I think that's a good
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: time to mention as mentioned Robin Williams and we talked
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: about Edgar. If you're listening and you need help or
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: you want to chat with somebody, you can text or
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: call nine and you could do like anonymously too. So
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: if you're going through a hard time or if you
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: know somebody, dial or text nine eight eight for help.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: So and if you have a friend that reaches out
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: to you and you know you don't you know, don't
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable to talk to them, but then also let
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: them know, like you know, if if it's ever a
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: film like too Much, you know, give them the info too,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: not just you know.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I love that. What how do you feel
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: like the comedy in pop uh, like in our society
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: right now, like in the current landscape, has it? Do
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: you see like traces of Joan Rivers? Or like, do
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: you think that we're in a slump? So I feel
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: like with every kind of fad or every part of
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: pop culture, there's like ups and downs, like, oh, like
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: SNL's booming right now, SML's going through a slump. How
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: do you feel about the current landscape of comedians and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: like how they're presented to us?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I've never been a huge fan of like, uh,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: crowd work, and just I know that so many comedians
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: are like just posting things a CrowdWork on there, and
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I get why because they'll get some views from it,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: and you can't really put up your what your your
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: actual written stuff because then people are gonna say on
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Instagram and they're not gonna see you live. So I
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: get why they're doing it, but I fucking hate it.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: So I don't like the crowd work aspect of it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: But overall, I think there's some great comedians out there,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: and I think it's and I feel like it's finally
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: stopping and not completely of course, but growing up is
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: always like and here's a female comedian that's just I
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: feel like now it's finally becoming more like and here
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: is Amy Miller, and I think she's hilarious, and I
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: don't say female comedian Amy Miller. Now it's just like, hey,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: guess what, she's funny too, you know. So that's good.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And if it wasn't for Joan, you know probably you.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Know, should we to to like show solidarity for that
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: we're male comedian, male podcasters. Hell yeah, I think that
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: we are in the like we're any more marginalized group.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: But I think it's so interesting because there was only
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: so like we talked about, like, only so many channels
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: back in the day. Now we have internet on our
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: phones and everything, and TV on our phones that I
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: love the accessibility of new comedians or new talent. If
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you're a musician, that kind of thing. You can get
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: your music out there. You can upload it yourself for
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: our podcast. Back in the day, this would not have
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: been a thinge for us. But we can like bullshit together,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: record it and then send it out to the universe
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: for it to be yours.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I could we could put this like we can have
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: this uploaded I'll say, five minutes after gune recording. Yeah,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: if we wanted to do, which is wild.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the heck out of that technology. But what
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I I don't I don't think I'm up to date
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: yet to feel like if it's a complete net positive
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: or a net negative yet. So I guess it's just
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: kind of is what it is. Almost.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I've always I've said this a bunch
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: of my life, but there's nothing inherently good or bad,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: you know, And so I don't know something that might
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: seem bad it can turn out good and vice versa.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: So it's hard to say. And there's a whole pendulum thing.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: So like with AI, you know, you know, every it's like, oh,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be really bad, and maybe it does get
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: really bad, but it'll probably come back a little bit
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: then it'll probably eventually even out. Yeah, So I think,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: like I don't know, everything's so everything is everything on it.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's like with everything being so intense right now,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: like I try to stay up to date, like on
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the news and what's going on, and I probably invest
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: way too much on my work, my waking and sleeping
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: time invested in what's going on in the in the world.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: But I think the most important job, or one of
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the most important jobs right now is if you do
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: have a sense of humor, if you are a comedian,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: even if you don't feel like you are, then the
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the comedian is the gesture. We're the ones that need
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: to be out there and obviously no level of this.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely better than Jerry Seinfeld in my opinion. Not
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Larry David though, so do that. I love him so much.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: We need to be we're the ones that are holding
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: the the ones running to account. And and I hate
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: right now that like, and I know we don't get
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: too political, but when the fascists go after the comedians,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: they're scared. It's it's it's a time where we need
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to laugh to everything's so serious.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, like a lot of people
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: are going like, well, you know, ten years ago people
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: were getting canceled. It's a difference between like the public
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: going like, hey, we don't want to back somebody that
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: says the N word. We think that's disgusting, and it's
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: different to where like the administration is going like, hey
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: we don't like this comedian, We're going to take them
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: off the air. And if you can't see the difference
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: between public opinion and the government telling you what you
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: can and can't say, it's called fucking fascism.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why people are confused by that. It
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: blows my It makes me so fucking mad. But anyways,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get too political.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, or do we need to? I think we
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: need to almost get I don't yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: because we are a mega mega podcast. Because we don't.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: We just want listeners.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, An, Yeah, we'll pityfuck all our listeners if you
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: want to, if you want to support us, we'll give
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: you hand jobs or blow jobs or finger jobs anyway.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: But until the robots, until I replace those that, we'll
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: horror out our sex robots to have sex with you.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: There we go. That's called management, uh delegation. There, there
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: we go. Look at those big words I'm trying to
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: whip out. I really hope that people will. I know
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: everything not to go on about technology is at our fingertips.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: But I appreciate about you, Andy, is that you are
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: such interested in You crave learning about things. And I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: think if you are a comedian or like comedic humor,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: do yourself a favoring go back or comedic history, go
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: back and like revisit some of Joan rivers and appreciate
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: like who paved the way, a little bit, you know,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: for for you.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Well in this this documentary, I don't know, I didn't
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: know that much about Joan Rivers before he did this.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: That documentary was a really easy watch. Yeah, hour forty,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: but it went by really quick. Even if you just
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: like documentaries, it's a really well done documentary. It's really
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: the pacing's wonderful, the jokes running, She's great to listen to,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: your interested the entire time. Overall, even if it wasn't
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: about Joan Rivers, I would still give that documentary like
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: an eight out of ten. It was a really good
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: documentary just just being documentary.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: So I think the only flaw that I have with it,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: and this is so not obviously controllable, is it? I Like,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I love that it was perfectly time with the play,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: but oh my gosh, like how great of a documentary
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: would have been like when her first week doing the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Tonight Show like guest co hosts or like later in life,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Just but I wonder if they couldn't because NBC owns
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: all that, and if oh yeah, yeah, she was probably
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: still i mean not fully black listed. But I think
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Conan once said that he wasn't supposed to have her
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: on the show either when he did late and then
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: that's why when he left, Networks only had her on.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: But so I mean even up until like the ten
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: he wasn't supposed to.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: He even though I do not think I'm not the
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: biggest fan of Jimmy Fallon the first night that he
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: was the host of the Tonight Show, he did this
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: like gag about all these celebrities, like betting him that
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't get the job or something like that. Joan
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Rivers was the first one to break character in this
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: little skit they were doing. And then I think a
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: couple months later he had her on as a guest.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Of course, she like had to like, you know, I
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: want to say one of the jokes that she said,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: but she was like, oh, my vagina is so dry,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: and he was like, how how dry is it? And
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: like I went into bathtub and the water went whoosh.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: But then she makes another joke about her drive vagina
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: and she said like, if you know what happened to
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Whitney happened to me Whitney Houston, I wouldn't have drowned
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: because she drowned in a bathtub. Yeah, so that this
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: little little iffy on some of her jokes. Yeah, I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: mean yeah, yeah, oh sorry. I just remember the Aige
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: one to see if it was funny or not. So
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Howard Stern asked her, so you did a lot of
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: early AIDS work with with Elizabeth Taylor, Like what do
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: you mean? And then John Rivers says, I gave her aids,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: So that's what it was like.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I only like him because of the interviews that he
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: has been able to get because he's like that pop
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: culture kind of person. So I do appreciate that. And
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I am a big fan of the whack Pack. Eric
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: the actor the you know, we won't say the N word.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: I never watched it enough, but I know Beetlejuice just
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: from Instagram.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: So he was like, he's a scary movie too. When
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: they are parodying Hannibal and they take off shot no
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Marlon Wayne's head and beatle Juice. Yeah, so so, and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: they're coming out with a new one. It's so exciting.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: So there's starting it. They I just saw this today.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: They're starting it. They're starting like recording it. They're starting
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: it now. They already wrote it, but now they're actually
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: in production.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Then the trailers out.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's coming out in June.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: That's Regina the Trailers out. Yeah, it has the Waynes Brothers,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: it has the guy like the hand guy. Yeah, amazing
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: from Ship's Creek, it has it's it just looks fucking amazing,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Like I cannot wait for them to be a return.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go say in theaters.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be so good.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: All right, listener, Well before we go, I actually have
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: some uh ready, I'm pretty pumped. So since this is
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Joan Rivers, I thought, you know, I thought of some
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: good questions about well, I guess.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: We'll just start, yeah, yeah, start some trivia.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: So Rivers Cuomo is the lead singer of what band?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Green Day Weezer? Who Fighters? Or Marcy's Playground Wheezer? Yeah, alright, alright,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: one point because.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I took two of those away because I knew who
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: they were. Oh right, right, yeah, Villigio, I like that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: you knew which ones. That's awesome, that's awesome.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Rivers Phoenix A river Phoenix? Start in what movie the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Goonies et it? Where stand by me?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I fucking hate et you know that, right? I fucking
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: hate that monster? When Trump's like did the aliens out
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: of here. I'm like, yes, yes, but then I found
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: out Then I found that there's about humans. I'm like,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: what the fox? What the that's so in the humane Anyways,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: it was a stand by me, stand.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: By me two for two.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: The Nile River is the longest river in the world.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Where is it located?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Egypt, Sudan, Rwanda or Kenda.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Oh that's so funny that you mentioned Mirwanda because I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: mentioned that earlier. I mentioned dar Force. Okay, in my head,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, twe aren't they similar? Like there was
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of batshit going on. Yeah, I watched Hotel Wanda.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: That is sad.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: I've never seen it.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: No, no, well, yeah, like the movie was good.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I heard everything that happens in the movie is really funny.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Sheet is America treasure? Okay? The Egypt wrong?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: What it's actually in all of them and more? I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: didn't know that. I looked it up because I thought
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Egypt too, But it's in all those countries and more. Crazy.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: So I'll give you a quarter for point. So you're
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: two point two.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Five Who did you leave off?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch like I looked off like five Okay.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Those five are listening to like credit.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: For having the River Styx, you know, the one that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: separates the living to the dead and hell was made
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: popular in what book Dante's Inferno, Mine com The Art
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: of War or Harry Potters follows.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Is it that is that one?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah? You gotta it's Trivia.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Mine calm, No, it's Dante. Oh that's mine home the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Oh No, I just have known that I'm wearing my
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: shri like my conquer Damn it. It was upside down though,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: because I'm wearing it so like, oh, so you can
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: see it.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Good River in Oregon is known for what birthplace, birthplace
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: of legendary wrapper easy kitesurfing, home of America's third largest
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: dried food factory, or where George Bush Senior took a
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: ship in a bush.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I hope it's up. I really, I have no idea,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say it's probably not the George Bush wine.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I hope it's not the dried fruit because that's just pathetic.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Is it that wine? It's the dry fruit wine? Okay,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't think I think of the river. I think
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, you're a piece of ship plays so
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: like a dried fruit factory, like that's so fucking gay.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: It's right up their alley of just because I think
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: it's only like six thousand people or something like hey,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: river rhymes with what word fox? Shiver pop or frugal?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Oh shiver? Yeah, I had to, like Sam in my head.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: You will be blame if you jump into a river cold,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: a vengeful, stressed, or horny.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I'll do that. You know that was it? Because horny
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you might be. I might be fit, like mentally horny.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Actually I wouldn't wait me anybody. I guess I would
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: say the first three because I know I don't think jumping.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: In a vengeful. Oh you're gonna get me back?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Wait, what were the what were they? Cold?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Vengeful, stressed or horny?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so stressed makes sense like if if you're not
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  Speaker 1: enjoying the jump. Yeah, fuckers jumped into the like jumped
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  Speaker 1: off like a burning boat. That's true. Cold because it's
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be cold water, vengeful if you got like
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  Speaker 1: you had to jump.
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  Speaker 2: Or somebody liked a knife to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like horning, I don't see a situation unless
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  Speaker 1: there was like murder people.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely more people. There's murder people in this scenario. We
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  Speaker 2: love that Okay, how many rivers are there in the world? One, two, three,
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  Speaker 2: or more than four?
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  Speaker 1: I know that this answer is gonna be textbook wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say one more than four. Okay, what
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  Speaker 1: constitutes a river? You know?
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  Speaker 2: I was actually gonna look that up and one of
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  Speaker 2: my questions gonna be like, is this a lake or
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  Speaker 2: a river and give you the stuff?
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't because if I'm gonna draw this for
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  Speaker 1: you really quick, this is not important at all. If
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  Speaker 1: a river is like this and then this part of
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  Speaker 1: the river is like dry because of like a drought,
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  Speaker 1: is this still one river?
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  Speaker 2: I think so?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? No one, Well they're not every river connects in
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  Speaker 1: the world. Oh okay, Well that didn't where I really
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  Speaker 1: felt like I.
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  Speaker 2: Felt a vengeful. And last questions, all right, there's a
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  Speaker 2: casino in kus Bay called Three Rivers. Exactly how many
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  Speaker 2: gambling machines do they have?
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  Speaker 1: You give me a had like you have I guess
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  Speaker 1: exactly exact? Or shoot? Might you have a gun? A
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  Speaker 1: gunpoint at me? Okay, I'm gonna say eleven and sixty two.
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  Speaker 2: In a casino? Eleven thousand? Come on?
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  Speaker 1: No, okay, how big is a casino?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know I've never been.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so less okay, YEA thousand machines okay, average, Like I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, like what's a slot machine. It's probably what
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  Speaker 2: two feet that means it would like maybe twenty two
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  Speaker 2: thousand feet. I mean, if they're that's a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: Okay machine, but I'm thinking that it's like two or
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  Speaker 1: three floors.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm gonna guess, uh, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like two thousand, five hundred and sixty two.
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  Speaker 2: They said more than two fifty, so you could be correct.
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  Speaker 2: On the website it says there's more than two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty machines. Oh wow, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I don't understand. I've never thought about it.
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  Speaker 1: We need to go to the casino with like a
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  Speaker 1: measure and like start counting them too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah you one, thank you, Thank you, cheers, cheers.
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