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Women Around the World: Queer People We Admire · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samitha. I don't Stephane never
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Speaker 1: told your protection of iHeart radio and welcome and is June,
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Speaker 1: which means Happy Pride Month. Annie, thank you to you
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Speaker 1: as well. So we have been doing women around the
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Speaker 1: World for a while now. I still trying to think
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Speaker 1: of a new title. Still trying to get there. Um,
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Speaker 1: so let's stay celebrating great people around the world. That's
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Speaker 1: not a good backgronym, I will say that, but I
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Speaker 1: thought it would be interesting, since this is Pride Month,
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Speaker 1: taking it on a personal level, um, especially about people's
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Speaker 1: journeys and and You've talked a little bit about your
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Speaker 1: own journey between discovering for yourself your identity and coming
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Speaker 1: out to people around you, And I thought it would
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Speaker 1: be interesting to hear of the people you and myr
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Speaker 1: or look up to as you are processing your journey.
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Speaker 1: So I'm putting you on the spot you are. And
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Speaker 1: because of that, I do have a couple of caveats
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Speaker 1: before I get into this is okay, So number one,
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Speaker 1: this is far from an exhaustive list. Um. And I'm
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Speaker 1: sure like probably an hour from now, I'll be kicking
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Speaker 1: myself for people that I've forgotten I wish I had
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Speaker 1: mentioned because there are a lot of people, um, and
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Speaker 1: also I didn't have time to vet the folks that
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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about and make sure they haven't
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Speaker 1: done something really terrible or problematic recently. So please give
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Speaker 1: me a pass on that or let me know either way,
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Speaker 1: but just put that out there. Yeah, I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: good to know because sometimes we don't we don't know
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Speaker 1: some of the issues that have happened. It's always kind
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Speaker 1: of a fear of ours trying to be uh inclusive
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Speaker 1: and also trying to be aware of problematic people and
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Speaker 1: why we should call them out. Like there's so many
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Speaker 1: times that I have researched for the specific segment and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, this one bad thing which I
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Speaker 1: can't be ignored. But it makes you sad because you
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Speaker 1: don't want to negate the good things that they have done.
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Speaker 1: But it does make you pause and I have to
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Speaker 1: really rethink what you're talking about and whether it's worth
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Speaker 1: um bringing it out or celebrating which is a good
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Speaker 1: and bed there's so many things when it comes to
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Speaker 1: try to celebrate people. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm taking this
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Speaker 1: from a very personal level, so it's coming from how
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Speaker 1: they impacted me and inspired me specifically. So that's also
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Speaker 1: something about this UM. I will say so many women
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Speaker 1: we talk about, our people we talked about on this
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Speaker 1: segment have been inspirations when I hear what they're doing.
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Speaker 1: UM books we've chosen, and one that came to mind
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Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this was Charlene A Carothers Unapologetic.
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Speaker 1: That was great. Roxanne Gay is a big one for me.
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Speaker 1: Bad feminist, Like the first episode I did on this
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Speaker 1: show was about that and that whole idea, and that
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Speaker 1: really informed how I thought about me as a feminist
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Speaker 1: and how I could be a feminist and be a
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Speaker 1: better feminist, but still have these things where I like
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Speaker 1: things that aren't the best feminist entertainment of the most
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Speaker 1: feminist entertainment. Tanya Israel, who was on our show once
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Speaker 1: her by coups she does WHI should bisexual high kus
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Speaker 1: so good. Yes, Yes, I have many co workers and
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Speaker 1: friends that I would include as influences and inspirations. Many
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Speaker 1: of you listeners who have written in have been so
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Speaker 1: open and honest, and then a lot of people we've
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Speaker 1: talked about on this show that I really I'm glad
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Speaker 1: that I encountered and encountered in college for a lot
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Speaker 1: of them, but I hadn't heard of them or didn't
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Speaker 1: know a lot about them. Polly Murray was a big
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Speaker 1: one because they just represented so many intersectional identities. Also
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Speaker 1: religious Presbyterian, which is how I was raised. Uh, And
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Speaker 1: I love learning about Polly Murray. Billy Jean King, Yes,
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Speaker 1: I so, I love that the impact Billy Jean King
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Speaker 1: has had and continues to have. I keeping headlines about
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Speaker 1: what she's doing now. So I love that Sally rides
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Speaker 1: Um first, I believe, first American woman into space. Definitely
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Speaker 1: up there. Oh. I loved hearing her story and all
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Speaker 1: the like both questions she had to answer about like
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Speaker 1: bras and space and we'll stick in space, all this
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Speaker 1: stuff and just she was so the way she handled
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Speaker 1: herself in those questions I loved. And then like more
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Speaker 1: currently there's Megan rampino Um and also Abby one buck Um,
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Speaker 1: and I kind of this is sort of like I
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Speaker 1: love We've talked about. I enjoy soccer, but I have
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Speaker 1: some friends who love it and to see the impact
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Speaker 1: that those two people have had on them has been
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Speaker 1: really powerful for me. And how open they are. Laverne Cox,
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Speaker 1: just because I hadn't honestly, I hadn't seen a transgender
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Speaker 1: person like that in such popular media before. Laverne Cox
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Speaker 1: and also continue used to do amazing things. Linda Carter,
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Speaker 1: who played wonder Woman you might have seen recently made
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Speaker 1: some headlines because she tweeted this very beautiful artwork from
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Speaker 1: Paulina Gone, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. Um. That
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Speaker 1: was like happy Pride everybody. It was just beautiful, like
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Speaker 1: wonder Woman with rainbows and stars behind her, and said like,
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Speaker 1: if you don't think Wonder Woman was queer, you haven't
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Speaker 1: been paying attention. She's buying trans and I just loved it.
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Speaker 1: It was so great. Um. And of course, like through
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Speaker 1: fiction fictional women around the world, I do have a lot,
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Speaker 1: although I kind of, as I mentioned in that episode,
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Speaker 1: we did bridget on Dana Scully, who is one for me,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of fan work that I'm doing for
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Speaker 1: all these because they never were like fully confirmed it
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Speaker 1: was queer. So Danna Scully, yeah, like she wasn't ever confirmed.
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Speaker 1: But for me, for some reason, I was like, it's
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Speaker 1: a queer woman. Uh. I will say. Tara and Willow
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Speaker 1: from Buffy the Vampire Slayer was just problematic for a
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Speaker 1: lot of reasons, not just because John Sweden stuff, but
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Speaker 1: also just the way it kind of handled it. But
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Speaker 1: it was the first time I saw two women kiss
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Speaker 1: on network TV and that was a big impact on me.
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Speaker 1: Zeno Warrior Princess Um who I had a friend who
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Speaker 1: loved to get a lot of these. I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: got to see it through a friend and the impact
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Speaker 1: they had on a friend, and through that it had
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Speaker 1: an impact on me as well. Um dr Afra, who
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Speaker 1: we talked about in our Fictional Women Around the World,
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Speaker 1: who is sort of the Star Wars version of Indiana Jones.
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Speaker 1: This was recent, but it had an impact on me
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Speaker 1: because I wasn't expecting in a comic Star Wars comic
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Speaker 1: to see two women together like physically and not no
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Speaker 1: like I mean, they were clearly had had relations but
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Speaker 1: it wasn't like gratuitous or like, oh you're hot boobs
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Speaker 1: or whatever it was. You know, they were under the
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Speaker 1: covers together and they had a relationship. I have just shocked. Shocked.
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Speaker 1: Ellie from the Last of Us. Of course I found
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Speaker 1: out thanks to a listener who let me know this.
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Speaker 1: Yelena from Black Widow is the first confirmed ace character
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Speaker 1: in Marvel Really yeah, okay, so that's cool. I do
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Speaker 1: love Yelena. And then I, if you will forgive me,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to include two men. Um, thank you Smith.
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Speaker 1: So one is Todd Chavez from BoJack Horsemen. Was the
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Speaker 1: first time I've ever seen an a sexual character that
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Speaker 1: I know of on TV, and I was like, oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, this this is me, this is what I feel.
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Speaker 1: And then also I just had to include Luke Skywalker
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Speaker 1: because I found a whole section of the Internet that
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Speaker 1: is very tongue in cheek that is called Luke Skywalker
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Speaker 1: Gay Fashion Icon and it gave me the most joy
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Speaker 1: of like had in a long time, and it was hilarious.
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Speaker 1: But also I found this thing that I didn't know where. Um,
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Speaker 1: a woman was speaking about how she Luke Skywalker is gay.
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Speaker 1: Think she just said LuSE Howard's gay. Now I believe it,
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Speaker 1: but he's gay, and she got booed and heckled, and
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Speaker 1: then like Mark Hamill stopped in the back and said, no,
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Speaker 1: she's right. I don't know. I just gave you a
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Speaker 1: lot of joy. Uh. And I think it does make
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Speaker 1: me sad that it's kind of this, like I have
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Speaker 1: to search and like squint and convinced myself to see
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Speaker 1: this representation. But when I can, when I find a
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Speaker 1: beautiful section of the Internet, the Luke Skywalker's gay Fashion gun,
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Speaker 1: and I laugh and laugh and it brings me joy.
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Speaker 1: I'll take it for now. I'm right, Brian, you joy
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Speaker 1: is not a bad thing. As we're talking about more
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Speaker 1: icons and people coming out, there's also that conversation of
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Speaker 1: your heroes who you have put on a pedestal when
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Speaker 1: they fall, what do you do? What is the reaction?
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Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of problematic things own the world.
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Speaker 1: We know it. J k Rowling and her her what
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Speaker 1: seemingly came out with like we were so excited that
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Speaker 1: maybe yes she is an ally and she's exhibiting all
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Speaker 1: this in the book, and yes, look she's uh confirming
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Speaker 1: that Dumbledore was gay, and you know all of these things.
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Speaker 1: But then you find out her stances are very turfy
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Speaker 1: and that she is exclusionary of trans because she fears
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Speaker 1: trans women, which is a whole different conversation in itself,
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Speaker 1: And then what do you do about that? What do
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Speaker 1: you do when you have someone on such high esteem,
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Speaker 1: and how do you pick yourself back up of that,
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Speaker 1: and then how do you enjoy it. One of the
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Speaker 1: things about that is Glee, the show, which is problematic
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Speaker 1: in itself, please don't get me wrong, but there was
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Speaker 1: a lot of good representation and in a l g
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Speaker 1: bt Q relationships that made it normalized instead of being
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Speaker 1: overly tongue in cheek and or so sexualized to a
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Speaker 1: certain degree, Like there was moments like if do you
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Speaker 1: have to do that? But there's so many problems within
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Speaker 1: that show, including the actual people in the show, that
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, now, it's kind of disturbing to watch,
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Speaker 1: whether it's uh, the death of your favorite actor or
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Speaker 1: the death or the arrest of possibility of pedophile and
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Speaker 1: all of these things that happened within that show. You're like,
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Speaker 1: as a person who I really love musicals, I love songs,
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Speaker 1: and to see it being accelebrated for the first time
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Speaker 1: with like this and people loving it made me feel
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Speaker 1: less nerdy. You're like, oh yeah, and then it kind
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Speaker 1: of goes away because of a lot of problems that
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Speaker 1: happened within it. Harry Potter the same things, like I
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Speaker 1: love the movies, but I wasn't the deep fan that
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Speaker 1: so many people have been where they just embraced it
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Speaker 1: and took onto a part of their personality and loved
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Speaker 1: it and used it as a comfort in their trauma.
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Speaker 1: To come back to, oh what do I do now?
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Speaker 1: Like there's this conversation of Okay, we have to squint
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Speaker 1: and really searched, but what do we do when our
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Speaker 1: heroes fall? And I know you were a big fan
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Speaker 1: of Harry Potter, how did you fill with all of
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Speaker 1: that kind of like negativity that seems to be placed
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Speaker 1: on it now? And and what are your thoughts on
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Speaker 1: enjoying it today? Yeah, again, I'm going to just caveaut
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Speaker 1: this with this is very personal take that I have.
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Speaker 1: I did love Harry Potter. I think it might shock
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Speaker 1: you to know this, but it was bigger than like
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Speaker 1: what's happening with Star Wars right now. Like I loved
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Speaker 1: it and it was something that got me through the
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Speaker 1: most traumatic time of my life, and all my friends
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Speaker 1: loved it. And I happened to be growing up at
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Speaker 1: the time when it was like perfect, Like we graduated
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Speaker 1: high school, when the seventh book came out, we graduated college,
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Speaker 1: and something movie came out, so it was like a
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Speaker 1: very timing was perfect. Um, and it just meant so
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Speaker 1: much to me, and it was a huge part of
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Speaker 1: my identity, and I think because I wasn't on social media,
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Speaker 1: I was able to avoid the knowledge of that she was.
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Speaker 1: Jake Eberlin was a turf for a long time, especially
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Speaker 1: because she had kind of that um reputation of being
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Speaker 1: like a good ally and like articles would come up
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Speaker 1: about how like Trump is Baltimore, you know, like all
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Speaker 1: that stuff. So she had like that going for her.
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Speaker 1: But then it just became like impossible to ignore, and
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Speaker 1: unfortunately for me, that has made it extremely difficult for
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Speaker 1: me to engage in it. And I also hate it too,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, obviously it's awful, but growing up when
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Speaker 1: I liked it, there was this idea that it was
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Speaker 1: silly to like, Um that's what I experienced, Like it
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Speaker 1: was childish and frivolous and silly, and so I always
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Speaker 1: felt like I had defend why it was good and
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Speaker 1: why I liked it and why it was valuable and worthwhile.
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Speaker 1: And so now it's like I feel a shame about
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Speaker 1: it because people know I loved it, Like there's no
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Speaker 1: way I can. If you've known me for any of
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Speaker 1: that time, you know that I loved it, and I
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Speaker 1: still have, like you know, posters up and I haven't
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Speaker 1: the heart to take him down. But so there's that
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Speaker 1: aspect of it as well. And then I hate this too.
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Speaker 1: I have friends who are still really into it and
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Speaker 1: I can't if they bring it up, it's like I
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Speaker 1: totally shut down, like oh um, But I do want
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Speaker 1: to say some of you listeners, um, some of you
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Speaker 1: trans listeners have written and said like it meant so
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Speaker 1: much to me and this is how I'm like, reclaiming
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Speaker 1: it and reshaping it are all that stuff. So I
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Speaker 1: don't want to get this is very personal to me
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to take that away from anybody.
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Speaker 1: And I know we had that one listener right and
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Speaker 1: once she was really standing her friend who wrote the
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Speaker 1: fan fix, and I still think about that and they
13:49
Speaker 1: did a better job. Yes, I love that too. Like
13:53
Speaker 1: so I don't want like for me, it's hard. But
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Speaker 1: if you can reclaim it in a way that doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel like totally gross and you could write fan fiction
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is, then yeah, and that's the thing.
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Speaker 1: It's like, if it helped you process that, then that
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Speaker 1: is a personal thing for you and it shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: taken away, But yeah, the bigger question is like what
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Speaker 1: happens when our heroes fault? You know, Ellen de Generes.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those things as well, because
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Speaker 1: she was iconic essentially coming out on national TV and
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Speaker 1: was one of the first, and she was successful, and
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Speaker 1: for so long she had been hiding that part of
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Speaker 1: her identity, never really speaking too much about it. If
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember the Ellen sitcom show
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Speaker 1: that existed way before, Okay, way before I remember a bit,
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Speaker 1: but playing the heteronormative role she did, and then finally,
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Speaker 1: I believe it was towards the end of the seasons,
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Speaker 1: she just finally just came out. It just happened, um
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Speaker 1: and it was earth shattering for so many, for the
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Speaker 1: conservatives and for the non conservatives, because it was a statement.
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Speaker 1: It was a bold move during that time when on
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Speaker 1: national TV that wasn't being represented like that, and especially
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Speaker 1: a family sitcom. And I remember people really loving what
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Speaker 1: she was doing coming out, um, from being on Time magazine,
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Speaker 1: being on all the other I'm coming out literally was
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Speaker 1: the headline of some of her magazines and seeing her
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Speaker 1: become that icon and that you really wanted to go
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Speaker 1: with because it seemed like she leveled up to this
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Speaker 1: like kindness, perspective and joy and giving and maybe it
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Speaker 1: was during a different time and during easier time, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. But then she kind of fell from grace
15:31
Speaker 1: because of a lot of the problematic things that came
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Speaker 1: up from her show, her own response to some of
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Speaker 1: the political conversations that were having, like we get it,
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Speaker 1: but maybe no, and and the fact that, yeah, at
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Speaker 1: the end of our season, I think it's finally done.
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Speaker 1: Everybody was criticizing the work ethic on her set, uh,
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Speaker 1: some of the things in questions and how she went
15:52
Speaker 1: after people and her guests, And again, I think this
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Speaker 1: doesn't have as big of a cultural impact today. Maybe
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, let me know, But for what
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Speaker 1: she did and in the beginning of her career was
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Speaker 1: huge and a huge risk at that point in time.
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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, she is still a white woman,
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Speaker 1: fairly rich, fairly successful, so she did have a padded
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Speaker 1: uh step up, but it still was a risk. And
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Speaker 1: we know this, and to see that type of level
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Speaker 1: of not necessarily like failure. It's not a failure, She's
16:27
Speaker 1: she made money, She made uh killing off her show
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Speaker 1: show all of that, and she has a lot of connections.
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Speaker 1: We know this, and she's not just gonna go away.
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Speaker 1: We know she's gonna come back. It's it's inevitable, but
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Speaker 1: it is. It was kind of hard to kind of
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Speaker 1: see that to this today, to her transition today, also
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Speaker 1: with the fact that just like that, she's human and
16:48
Speaker 1: and that's the problem is like we maybe we're putting
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Speaker 1: too much on those uh when we see that in
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Speaker 1: that are in the public eye. What is the responsibility
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Speaker 1: that they hold in being human versus what is a
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Speaker 1: response ability that they hold in being a public figure. Um,
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Speaker 1: So there's a whole different there's a whole level of conversation.
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Speaker 1: Of course, being the turf is a whole different, different
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Speaker 1: different conversation and it self, especially when you were writing
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Speaker 1: op eds about why you're a turf. But there's no
17:13
Speaker 1: many thoughts to that. Obviously, I want to come back
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Speaker 1: to it because it's a constant one might Please don't
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Speaker 1: put me on a pedistal, don't put people in a
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Speaker 1: higher reach because they're inevitably going to disappoint you. And
17:24
Speaker 1: here's what you need to do to pick yourself up
17:26
Speaker 1: after the point, like not to be the negative Nancy,
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Speaker 1: but to be the negative Nancy. Yeah. And also I
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Speaker 1: don't want to because I've heard a lot of people
17:38
Speaker 1: gay women specifically say how much Ellen de generous ments,
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Speaker 1: and I think that through that inspired them to either
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Speaker 1: come out or pursue things they thought they couldn't pursue.
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Speaker 1: So I don't want to take that away either. Hopefully,
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Speaker 1: you know, yes, we should definitely recognize problem back behavior,
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Speaker 1: not saying that at all, but hopefully you who took
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Speaker 1: inspiration from that will move on and be ben or
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Speaker 1: do better. And with that, Uh, there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: conversation about identity and being able to uh safely be
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Speaker 1: who you are and just the stigma that has played
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Speaker 1: so many from being able to be themselves and uh,
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Speaker 1: and we've been able to follow your journey in this
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've really gotten to see you grow
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Speaker 1: and really understand who you are. Just from our first
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Speaker 1: episode about being Ace and you having those conversations to
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Speaker 1: even reading the books and um, understanding a little more
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Speaker 1: about who you are. You're like, oh yeah, and again
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Speaker 1: you have done this very transparently for all of us. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And I've asked before, but I think it's always worth
18:50
Speaker 1: coming back to what advice would you give to others
18:54
Speaker 1: who are trying to understand their own journeys who. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I will say that everyone is different, um, and I
19:06
Speaker 1: always there's something lovely about that. And also it's kind
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Speaker 1: of scary about that because I'm sure all of us
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Speaker 1: feel this way. But I feel like my coming out
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Speaker 1: story is very I don't want to stay strange but
19:19
Speaker 1: kind of different because I did kind of do it
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Speaker 1: through a podcast. I came out on this podcast before
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Speaker 1: I came out to anybody, writ I knew like really, UM,
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Speaker 1: I would say, definitely find yourself a support group. Uh,
19:34
Speaker 1: and you can do that in multiple ways, and I
19:37
Speaker 1: think multiple ways is the best. Like if you can
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Speaker 1: find a close group of friends or you know who
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Speaker 1: have your back, if you can find there's plenty of
19:46
Speaker 1: really good online groups that you can find a lot
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Speaker 1: of cities have meetups and like not to tutor on horn,
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Speaker 1: but you could include us and that like a podcast
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Speaker 1: or something because for me, like starting on this show,
20:00
Speaker 1: I've said it before, but it was like, oh gosh,
20:02
Speaker 1: I'm not alone because I came from this small town
20:04
Speaker 1: and I just wasn't hearing this kind of stuff. And
20:07
Speaker 1: I would suggest ideally you do all of that before
20:13
Speaker 1: coming out. I just had like a reminder, you know,
20:16
Speaker 1: there's a bigger rold out there, have a self care
20:18
Speaker 1: plan in place. And I'm saying all of this as
20:21
Speaker 1: somebody who kind of didn't do it, so sort of
20:23
Speaker 1: like giving advice that I didn't really follow. But I
20:25
Speaker 1: just think like, ideally, luckily I had all that stuff
20:29
Speaker 1: and it worked out, but I think ideally you would
20:32
Speaker 1: kind of have that and be able to prepare yourself
20:36
Speaker 1: and so that you can anticipate that if there are
20:41
Speaker 1: these negative reactions from people are because it is hard
20:44
Speaker 1: and it is scary, you have this net, the safety net.
20:49
Speaker 1: UM just like to go ahead. So it's almost like
20:52
Speaker 1: thinking about it, planning it, making sure you're taking care
20:55
Speaker 1: of yourself, um, the whole way, because it's it's kind
20:59
Speaker 1: of shocking. I'm very insulated in a lot of ways
21:03
Speaker 1: because I am in a kind of liberals part of
21:05
Speaker 1: a kind of liberal city. But occasionally, like very recently,
21:09
Speaker 1: I got kind of a hateful thing said to me, UM,
21:15
Speaker 1: and it I was just so taken aback by it
21:18
Speaker 1: because to me, I'm just be and I'm not bothering you.
21:21
Speaker 1: So it's good to have. Like even though I did,
21:24
Speaker 1: I didn't really talk to anybody about it. I had
21:26
Speaker 1: people to go to and just sort of like, screw
21:30
Speaker 1: that guy, I'm just gonna talk you do I need
21:33
Speaker 1: to pull up on because what yeah, see, this is
21:38
Speaker 1: how you need you needed, Samantha. Let's go. I'll find you. Oh,
21:48
Speaker 1: I'll find you. Definitely not listening, but noted, I'll find
21:52
Speaker 1: you listen. You know, honestly, one of the reasons I
21:56
Speaker 1: wanted to put you on the spot as I am
21:58
Speaker 1: thinking about a month and we want to celebrate. We
22:02
Speaker 1: do it throughout the year, and we do it all
22:04
Speaker 1: the time. I know, like it's just constant that we
22:06
Speaker 1: want to talk about all the amazing people, whether the
22:09
Speaker 1: non binary, trans, uh, queer whatever. This is our constant
22:13
Speaker 1: and we want to keep it intersectional. But because it
22:15
Speaker 1: is a time that we are going to celebrate Pride months,
22:19
Speaker 1: I was trying to think who do I admire, who
22:21
Speaker 1: do I see and nothing. I don't admire more people.
22:24
Speaker 1: I just have this oddness to the fact that I
22:26
Speaker 1: don't uh look up to celebrities. That's not a thing
22:30
Speaker 1: for me. I don't know why I've never had idols
22:34
Speaker 1: or mentors in that way. Um, but people that I
22:37
Speaker 1: look up to, our people that I've seen their growth
22:39
Speaker 1: and experience, and I was like, Annie is truly one
22:42
Speaker 1: of those people that I queer people I admire because
22:45
Speaker 1: I've seen your journey and the joy and the pain
22:48
Speaker 1: that you've gone through, but also the way that you
22:50
Speaker 1: have really navigated a path for others, including our listeners,
22:55
Speaker 1: who have reached out constantly saying thank you so much
22:58
Speaker 1: for your openness about you coming out from about your
23:01
Speaker 1: trauma and understanding your trauma and how that does play
23:04
Speaker 1: into your identity as well, and just understanding even more
23:07
Speaker 1: of your queer identity beyond that and who you are.
23:13
Speaker 1: And so I was like, yeah, I'm gonna put any
23:15
Speaker 1: on the spot because you're the woman that I do admire.
23:19
Speaker 1: You're the queer person and like not just because you're
23:21
Speaker 1: queer obviously, but just seeing this journey has been fulfilling
23:26
Speaker 1: for me to watch you love yourself and that has
23:30
Speaker 1: been a glorious thing. So I wanted to take this time.
23:34
Speaker 1: I couldn't put it on the outline saying any which
23:39
Speaker 1: I was typically I'm not gonna put this on here
23:41
Speaker 1: and make it really really odd, um, but I love you,
23:44
Speaker 1: and I wanted you to know that as someone who
23:47
Speaker 1: wants to be an ally but honestly just someone who's
23:51
Speaker 1: watching someone they love find themselves. Has been amazing and
23:55
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have been part of this journey with you,
23:58
Speaker 1: very small, just listening honestly, this journey. I want to
24:01
Speaker 1: say a part of me listening with you, um and
24:04
Speaker 1: say that you're amazing, and uh, I'll hope you know that.
24:07
Speaker 1: I celebrate you all the time, every time, any time.
24:10
Speaker 1: But yes, to me, you are someone who should be
24:13
Speaker 1: looked up to as well. Thank you. I love you too,
24:17
Speaker 1: and you have been invaluable on this journey and listening
24:21
Speaker 1: is no small thing at all. So thank you, thank you,
24:25
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. All right we' when it ended
24:27
Speaker 1: on that happy note, that's it. Yes, yes, And also
24:34
Speaker 1: I'm loving seeing all of these pictures of people really
24:37
Speaker 1: joyously celebrating pride, so keep those coming, um. And we
24:43
Speaker 1: do have some more contents around this, because I know
24:45
Speaker 1: there's some a lot of negativity going on right now
24:48
Speaker 1: and that can get difficult to be bogged on in.
24:50
Speaker 1: But yes, find that joy where you can, and also
24:54
Speaker 1: you can always reach out to us are to me specifically,
24:57
Speaker 1: some of you have and some of you have to me,
25:00
Speaker 1: and I love that. So I'm I am here, and
25:03
Speaker 1: you can do that at our email, which is Steffanite,
25:05
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25:06
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25:08
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25:10
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25:15
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