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Excuse My Grandma's Palm Beach Season Finale and Recession Dating · Excuse My Grandma

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Excuse My Grandma. It's Kim and my cohosts.
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  Speaker 2: Grandma Gail.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Grandma, it is our final week of the Palm Beach Season. It's our Palm Beach Finale episode. Boo hoo. What will you miss about being together?
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll still be together. True. In Florida. I think I'll miss the sunshine. I'm hoping that when we get back together in New York City that the sun will be out and it'll be a little bit warmer than it's been.
• 0:46
  They had a very bad winter, but I think spring is there. I can't wait to see the tulips and the daffodils in the park. So I'm ready to go back. I've had a wonderful, wonderful season here this year.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I feel it changes your mood a lot when you're in sun versus But cold for I also feel like the humidity is not great for hair. So I've been in a slick back every single day of being in Florida. But older people don't do slick back buns.
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I think nobody even, they don't care anymore when you get to a certain But
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  Speaker 1: your hair is not frizzy, you
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  Speaker 2: just well
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  Speaker 1: I have fly such a hair
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  Speaker 2: straight hair. Florida doesn't affect me and neither does New York. Worse hair for me is when I go to the beach. If I go to the beach, then there's no hair left. But that's the least of my worries down here.
• 1:34
  I don't sit in the sun that much. So I actually just got a report from my doctor, take more vitamin D, which I said, Oh, are you kidding me? And he said, No, you have to. Because I guess I used to be in the sun a lot when I played a lot of golf and I'm not doing that now. So you do need a certain amount of sunlight, but not good for the skin.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll definitely miss the easy access to your closet. Because even in New York or the Hamptons, I'm not like in your apartment where I can just walk in, double the options.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: It's all right, I moved all this stuff out of the apartment here. Of Yeah, it going we're packed up and ready to go back next week. Well There
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  Speaker 1: were so many, like as we were packing up, like vintage items you didn't even real, not that you didn't know you had it, but you really don't wear a lot of
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: No, no, I don't. What I've decided to do was a strategy is to leave those items like my dressy, very dressy clothes down here because New York and the Hamptons lifestyle is very casual, much more so than here. So a lot of white pants, a lot of beige pants and black pants
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: Even are like going some of your vintage jewelry or bags or sweaters that are 30 years old, a lot of people now, they want all this vintage And there's pop ups around the city with vintage items or everybody's so into thrifting now, but I just have to go into your closet, which is
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: I also really think the prices went crazy on most of these items that are regular, the designer clothes. And even in stores that are knocking them off, I think that's why Amazon was so popular at Walmart with their knockoffs because people do see They're called dupes.
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  Speaker 1: That's how the young people
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  Speaker 2: call Yeah, well, I think people want these items because they see influencers wearing them, but they're certainly not going to pay the money. And in this economy, everybody should sort of scale back. And they're very good copies. So you know what? Good luck to everybody.
• 3:29
  I go into my closet and find things I haven't worn, and everything is lightly used. I never really kill anything. Sort of like put them away carefully. Stuff them. I put them in bags.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one really talks about the treatment of those items. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you should. No, I saw something recently with the prices going up, people are going to have to learn to treat and Even their maintain
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: you're always so annoyed when you come to my apartment because I don't like stuff my bags or keep them in dust bags because I like to see everything displayed. Yeah, but you
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  Speaker 2: know what's in there or leave the handle out. I really do believe that the bags protect them and they're so costly. And you know what? People have to take care of their good things.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. Another thing that I guess I'll miss about being here, even though we have lunch and dinner with our family all the time in New York and the Hamptons too, I have more friends in New York than in Florida. So like most nights I'm seeing friends. So it's nice here to, if I don't have a plan, I'll just come along with you guys or with mom and dad. But also I'm excited to go back and like have a little bit of a social
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: Of course. You're young. You should be going and doing things in New York.
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: Do you think that I could live here full time?
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: I think you could live if you had a partner that you wanted to live with here. Actually, the economy is bursting down here in Florida, wherever you live, whether it be up north or south. I mean, they're really gaining on the North. I think the economy is booming down here, I think young couples can move down here, live for much less money than they do in the Northeast, especially. The difference is the amount of schools and the quality of the schools.
• 5:13
  But of course, I think that's getting better here too. So I think it's a great place to start out. It's a wonderful lifestyle. You just have to find the partner who lives down here Your and who wants to be
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: grandparents never came to Florida, did they? Yes, they did. They used
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: to stay at the hotel. They never lived here full time. Poppy's parents lived here full time.
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, so then when they were here No, but those are your parents.
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Those were parents? Grandmother There lived was a spa down here and they lived here six months a year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Okay. So then when you were here, did you also do dinners with them all the time?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely. We're a close family. We're a very close family. So it didn't really matter.
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  And I have to tell you, my husband's grandparents, one of the reasons I married him, because I thought they were the most fabulous, wonderful couple together. They were a couple I actually admired. And she was so much fun to be with. I would go to the ballet in New York with her and to the Radio City Music Hall. I mean, did everything.
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  And they were awfully nice and they were wonderful to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to pass down that value. It's like that's something you appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: But it was very unusual to have that, especially on a grandparent level.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they
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  Speaker 1: were But your relationship with your grandparents,
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  Speaker 2: how was that different than with Poppy's? Well, my grandparents were terrific, but they didn't include Poppy in their activities, whereas Poppy's grandparents did. Were included in everything because she wanted to be with me. And she loved sharing and she would buy stuff
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: for I guess because he never had a sister. So they never had a girl.
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  Speaker 2: There was never another girl. And they all doted on that and they liked it. She would go to a place and buy me dishes and give me stuff that I didn't even need at 23, 20 What four years great problem to have. But she just loved to do it and she was a collector. So she would give it to me rather than
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: give You gave it to top?
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, of course. Have all the dishes and things that she gave. They were gorgeous, but no one entertains like that anymore. That's a big problem. I tried to give some to your mom and I gave some to Jeffrey, my son.
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  But they don't even want it. They want white dishes and stuff that's very contemporary. And these were very, very much not bigger.
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  Speaker 1: So as I'm finding my own personal aesthetic, I've decided that I want to lean really heavily into those vintage inspired items for home and clothing and whatever. So it's kind of a fun project to find that all again because it's sort of hard
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: to But don't buy any dishes because I'm loaded with dishes to get you.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: The thing is, I can't really have a dinner party in my apartment because I have one chair.
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you have two chairs. Two chairs. The one you use for your makeup.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That's like I
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  Speaker 2: do And they rearranged your apartment for work and makeup.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: Or a desk chair and then I have like my what's it called? Not dressing
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  Speaker 2: A dressing you put a dressing table
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  Speaker 1: in your No, what is that called? A vanity. Vanity. And with a little stool. So like that's not conducive to a dinner party.
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  But I could use mom and dad's house
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  Speaker 2: In in the the country. Yeah. And you've done that. You've had a lot of parties out had one party. Right.
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  And it was a success.
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  Speaker 1: But I gotta do it again. And I've made all these Pinterest boards. You know Pinterest? No. It's like, I'll show you, but I save just photos of inspiration.
• 8:41
  It's different than Instagram because you can create your own boards, mood boards almost. And I've saved all these hosting things. We'll see if I actually do any
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  Speaker 2: of Well, problem with you is you have the ideas, but then you want someone to do it for you. That is the
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: problem of Well, my can happen. No, it kind of can. I mean,
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: can if you're Martha Stewart and have 400 staff to help you out. But if you're doing it, then you have to have the ability to put it all together or recruit a couple of friends who are very good at it. You do have a
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: couple of girlfriends. But even with the party that I did in the Hamptons last summer, I had two girls staying with me and they did like the dirty work.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: Well, so that's And
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  Speaker 1: the same with the fall party. Barely touched it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's fair. I like you like
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: the idea.
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  Speaker 2: I think you like the idea more of than executing.
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: I like the act of hosting during the event.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: So we'll
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: figure out what happens. Do you remember me ever, when I was younger, begging to stay in Florida longer since I would really only come for vacation? Was I like, I don't want to leave or not for vacation?
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think I did that with anything in life. Like with camp, I always wanted to Well,
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: you hated camp. We know that.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: College, I was ready to go by the end of the year. I was never like, I need to stay longer.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I had had it only with camp. I really loved camp. My camp was very different than yours. And I loved, I used to cry at the end of every summer. And I think I was there till I, well, I know I was there till I was 15.
• 10:13
  But that was the only time. College, I was ready to leave after my freshman year. I I left after my sophomore year and went to a different university to finish off. But yeah, I wasn't that attached to anything either. Family is the only thing I really
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, got attached that's fair. The only thing I would say is not wanting to leave the weather, like being like, Oh,
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: well that's later on. I never minded the cold weather when I was young. I used to dress up in a warm coat, a spark and some gloves, and it was great. There was so much to do in the city, much more than down here. Now, of course, you've got Pravess, you have the ballet, you have so much more here now for young families.
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: But I feel like when I was only here for like, let's say Christmas vacation, would want to spend every single day at the beach versus now I'm like, I'm here enough time that it's it's okay to do something other than sit out. You're sort
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  Speaker 2: of a semi snowbird. You're not really a complete Yes, self they go out for it. Right, you're not here over six months.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if there's like another bird that I can be.
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  Speaker 2: I hope it's not a dead bird. Same. Could be those big birds that are on your mother's terrace, those turkey vultures. Those are so odd. I know.
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  I've never seen them except in Florida. They are really one of the ugliest birds and their wingspan goes up to like four or five feet. And I think there's certain times of the year when they're mating, I guess. Very aggressive when they come over to you.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: I can't even think of the turkey vultures mating. I haven't thought about that, and I don't want to think about it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I must say they are scary.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: The puppy gets scared though.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, gets scared of those birds.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. And then I don't know how to get rid of those.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can. They're in their natural habitat. They don't know why we're here.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of full time Florida residents, I was scrolling on social earlier and Bethany Frankel said she is moving
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  Speaker 2: to Florida full time. Miami. I think she's in Miami. I see her constantly posting she said
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  Speaker 1: she decided that she's going to be there full time both for
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: Well, daughter's going to college. And I think that was the reason she's an empty nester now. Since I'm just watching all these things on my Instagram. So I do know that.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: She said like for personal professional reasons, like it makes more sense to be in Florida, which is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: But she's keeping probably the duet down here. I mean, there's not a lack of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But she's like really relevant in the
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Well, can be really relevant here. There's the
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: same. Decided that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big city. Miami where she is, is certainly a big Right. And then,
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, Alex Earl is literally from Miami and started her whole career there. She's like arguably the biggest TikToker, but she also is constantly in LA and New York. So I guess you still to travel, but it's interesting that that's her home base. And she said she's keeping the city in the Hamptons.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well she'll keep it because she's gonna keep it for her daughter.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: Anything else you're excited to do when we get back to New York? I mean, have your birthday, Poppy's birthday and mom's birthday that
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: We have a couple of big birthdays coming up, big birthdays. Mine isn't a big birthday, but I love birthdays because the alternative is not very good. Now we're gonna go to fun places, I hope. And no, I'm not really, I'm looking forward to going back to the theater, which I love. And I didn't do much of that down here because my husband had a knee operation and he couldn't sit.
• 13:39
  And I didn't really feel like leaving him during that period of time. So his ability to sit was about an hour. So it didn't work when we went to Kravis or the ballet. But that I'm going to do, and I'll do it with my girlfriends in the city. It's just fine.
• 13:53
  He's now able to walk around the place, so he's independent.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: For your birthday, we didn't really make a plan, though. Yeah, but I think I want to go to your new club. Right, for lunch. We're going to do that For
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  Speaker 2: lunch, for I know we're having a big dinner. In our family, for those who don't know, my birthday is one day, the next I had my daughter, my oldest child, the next day and my husband's birthday was the following day. So we have three birthdays in between. We sort of made a deal. We can't celebrate three big nights in a row With at the the same group.
• 14:26
  Well, we can't find new people. There are no new people coming into the So I think that I'm going to just do lunch with you and mom. Think that Just a little lunch.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: A downtown day.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: A downtown fine. Maybe we'll go over to the Whitney and see what show is over there. I just got my card, my renewal card in the mail. So I'm excited about that. We'll do that whole West Village and meat packing area.
• 14:51
  Okay. What do you want for your birthday? Absolutely nothing. Peace on earth. Okay.
• 14:57
  I don't want a thing. I don't want anything. First of all, if the economy keeps going down like this, I'm going to have to sell my vintage stuff So very no, I don't want anything material. I just want everybody to be together and have fun.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: What about if you could have like an experience or a trip or something?
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm still hoping that I go to Israel in June. We're working on that. So we'll see. That's the only place I really want to go.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: For birthday celebrations, I feel like a question we get a lot for like more mature places to have birthday dinners.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Well, there's so many. First of all, there's so many new restaurants. L'Avaux d'Or was written up today in the paper, which is one of the new was an old restaurant, an old really restaurant that was in New York forever. And it has been reinvented by two wonderful chefs. And the review was fabulous in the paper.
• 15:54
  Again, very costly, again for a bistro. This is what's going on and this is what makes it sad. All these restaurants are so out of the sight for just a normal dinner. You have to almost make it for a special occasion because dinner alone could be well over $300 for two people without an expensive wine.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: By the way, I haven't been to that restaurant, but do you know what that means in French? Le Vaudor? Yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Le Vaudor is a calf, I believe.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Is it a new calf? I've got touch UBT because someone had mentioned The golden calf, but I think it actually means worshiping money, like the biblical Oh really?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Goes back to sacrificial? Yeah, think so. Oh, I don't know. I don't know if they have that in mind. They just adapted from, and it's in the same location where it always was on 16th I've never heard of this place until Yeah, well it reopened.
• 16:47
  Had been closed for about ten years. There's also L'etetador that I've heard of. L'etetador downtown.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: The Belouvreche.
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  Speaker 2: Right, which is where I was hoping that Poppy would have his birthday, Cause he's got a big birthday really?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, thought it was the other place.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: No, that's where I think he wants to go.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. Zach's parents just had their anniversary dinner there. Did they like loved
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: it. Good. Well, the problem is that they don't want to take big parties unless you go into a private room.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: This is the big issue.
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  Speaker 2: Because we're so So we're still working on it.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What if you're younger, any fun places? I feel like we always used to go to like Dylan's candy bar and all
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: those But I don't even think those, well serendipity is still around. Know somebody recently that took the grandchildren there. That's still the way we went recently, you and I, this fall.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Great hot dog.
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  Speaker 2: And the hot dog was great and the hot chocolate, the frozen hot chocolate is still terrific.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Will you miss the hot dog at the Breakers?
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I'll miss the hot dog there, but we have a very good hot dog out in the Hamptons too I eat at the golf club where go from lunch. It's very delicious. I actually think their hot dogs are the best. I don't know where they get it from.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: The most processed one because I feel like you like what it's Well, like, hot dogs
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: are hot dogs. Nothing in it is natural. It's full of sulfites and everything you can imagine.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll be excited to go back to New York to record in our studio.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I like this room better than the studio. You know, like the studio, but you know, my problem is to get there takes me forty minutes. You're a little closer. So I'll be looking forward to being back in New York. I'm not sure.
• 18:28
  I'm 100% looking forward to that ride downtown on 9th Avenue. I have to figure the right time of day and the traffic. But you're seeing the traffic got much better, and I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, we'll see. See.
• 18:41
  When we go back. It'll be
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: just as bad, I'm sure. Probably. Okay, let's move on to the drama club. This week we're gonna talk about Coachella. I wanted to first ask about what music festivals were like back in the day.
• 18:56
  I know you never went to like Woodstock or anything like that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: No, my brother went. No, was too old already to go to those. They might have been ones, but really the big one in the sixties was Woodstock. And I was already married, so.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Because that was like 70s flower power.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Was in the 60s, but it was in the 60s. It was a rebellion against Vietnam and it was actually the emergence of the Beatles and all that stuff. You know, we've had controversies in every generation. You know, young people will always, you know, stand up to different people in power and it always ends up fizzling out and everybody ends up getting along. But at that particular moment, think it's the end of the world.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: It's also interesting that Woodstock has the context of rebellion. Like Coachella is not about that at all. It's purely just
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: music a think the stars are bigger now. Yeah, the people who went up to Woodstock were big names, but not the humongous names that now Lady Gaga goes to Coachella and those kind of people. You know, they are they paid for that or is this going to charity or how does Coachella work? Is it for profit? I don't
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: know, but they definitely get paid. For profit.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. So they get parts of the ticket sales, I gather.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I guess so. How many concert works,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. But they don't do it for charity. They're not doing it for like Live Aid or like Michael Jackson did. No, no, no. It's for profit.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is like They
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: should really.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So now it's basically in the last few years become really relevant again because all the influencers are going and all of the brands bring them out and have them come to their And it's really an in person community moment for these brands and their influencers. But there was a stat that I found that 60% of the general admission ticket buyers at Coachella actually use the festival's payment plan because it's so expensive to go. So they're like paying in increments just to like go to this festival. Well, know, I'm not for this.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I'm very much against this. Going to music festivals? No, no, going to music festivals. The cost of these music festivals. And especially now that you tell me it's for profit only, think it's outrageous.
• 21:17
  Think that- I think so. Well, I'm sure you know. I'm sure that's correct. And I think that a portion of these big performances should go to some kind of charity somewhere. There's so many hungry people and starving people.
• 21:32
  These people don't need any more billions in their pocketbook. I feel that way about a lot of things. I think Taylor Swift should be giving a part of her donor, those billions of dollars she got to some kind of charity that she's involved So
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: if you're successful, you have to give your I
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: think a percentage. Yeah, I think a percentage, we do it, and we're not in that big league. We give a percentage of ours to charity, and we work hard for the charities and we always mention it. I don't hear any of those big names talking about it. And I think they should stand up and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: talk. Also, like there's different levels of tickets a lot of but them sell I was thinking, was like if I ever were to go, I think I'd really only wanna go like I don't love being in the crowds and all of that and there's like artist pass and VIP pass. Guess how much those are? I have Kimberly, I know. Of $12,000 a ticket.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Well, think that's obscene. Really do. Is paying that to Well, people go look. Look at a ticket to a Broadway show now can be almost $300 Some of Hamilton is $800 Well, it's just you know, it's it's going to stop because a bubble will burst as it does all the time if they will come down. And for those look at the sporting events that happened and people that went to the Masters, you know, in Augusta You last
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: can't buy a ticket to that.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: No, not. You have to be invited. You have to be a patron and know somebody who's either involved or you live in Georgia and Augusta. You know, I think those things are fun and they kept the prices of the food to one point dollars five the way it was in the, you know, when the funding And, you know, I think some of that is wonderful. I just think ticket gouging and the profits that these people make are just out of, and out of sight.
• 23:16
  And people, ordinary people, I'm not talking about the thousand people that might have gone to this Coachella, but ordinary people can't even get a grip on what this costs. And I just, I think it's too much. I think that we've gone a little over the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: edge now. I think young people like just want to like dance and have fun and go to these concerts.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: They could do that at a lower price.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Probably. But also I don't even know how fun it is because like Alex Earl, obviously I was like following her the whole, like she was posting so much Coachella content and she was at Lady Gaga and she's like scanned the crowd. She's like, why am I the only one dancing? Everyone was just standing there like videotaping
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I know, her and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: but how do you not like dance? I don't know. So it's also like how fun really is it? Also, I feel like everyone went that first weekend and there's enough like this weekend or we're recording it. So it'll be a few days ago, but there is weekend too.
• 24:11
  Like I wonder who goes, I bet that's cheaper.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think people go the whole time. It's probably just a difference in ticket price. Right. Do you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: think there's like an age cutoff of when it's acceptable to go to Coachella?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I think it could go in
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: any age.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: If you're into music and you love it and if you can afford it, go. Wouldn't go if they gave it to me for nothing. So don't worry, nobody has to send me a ticket. I'm not going. I think I would go.
• 24:38
  Unless Frank Sinatra was back singing. Yeah. I don't know if that's his I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: But I think I would go. I just think it does seem overwhelming. I don't know. But like, it was funny also because Alex Earle, she went to speak at Harvard the next day. So she went from this party weekend and then got on a plane and went straight to speak at Harvard.
• 25:04
  Okay, for the Grandma Report. Our article this week is from time.com and it's talking about the silver lining of dating in a recession. We're not in a recession yet. Okay. They're threatening one.
• 25:22
  Right. So with economic downturns, like the potential recession, I think dating habits are being shaped differently with these rising costs. The article said that dates average $168 So a lot of people are moving away from expensive outings and toward budget friendly activities. And like in the two thousand and eight recession, people historical patterns show there was increased creativity in dating. People were cooking at home.
• 25:56
  They were going to free events. So actually what they're saying is the silver lining is that it could create more meaningful experiences over just lavish spending?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think, first of all, the economy affects everyone's life, not only people who are dating. Nobody wants to go out to a restaurant where they're going to spend half of their salary on one dinner. So I think that affects everyone. I think, unfortunately, we don't know how the whole thing with tariffs is going to go six months from now.
• 26:30
  We don't know if there's going to be a recession. We don't know all that stuff. It's very much up in the sky for the next ninety days.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: So you just live normally?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I think no, I don't think you should live normally. I think, and I said this to you personally the other day, I think now's the time to put a little bit away for a rainy day. I think people can take, you know, instead of spending every part of their salary that they're getting on themselves, I would take a third of it that isn't being spent on rent and on just normal everyday activities. I would put it into a little bank account and let the interest grow because you don't know what's going to happen in a year. And, you know, if China does some things that are going to cause issues here, we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
• 27:16
  So I think, you know, my mother was right. You always have to put something away for a rainy day. And that's a very good philosophy no matter where you are in your life, no matter what age you are in your life, you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow for anybody. Everyone has a four zero one ks, and we don't know how that's going to get affected if the market goes down terribly. So this is the time to be a little conservative.
• 27:39
  You don't need that extra sweater. You don't need those truffles from the market to put on your pasta. Control yourself. Put a little bit into your savings account. I really think that's an important lesson.
• 27:52
  I don't know if I've
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: done that yet, but I will say.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I told you a couple of weeks ago, everybody has to start doing it. It's something that people should do.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I also think with the dating lens, like people want to go to a trendy restaurant and things like that. So obviously Or go
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: to a pizza place. Like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: maybe out to this often, but you're going to those trendy restaurants. Obviously it depends on your situation. But I wonder if like people, especially who aren't in relationships and who are dating for the like, you know, first dates and stuff, if somebody chose a date that was like a free event, I feel like it would seem low effort.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know if it's low effort. You have to be truthful. I think now dating, first of all, dating when you're older is a whole different story. Are we talking about 20 year olds? 20 year olds can't afford these places.
• 28:43
  So they have to either go to a pizza place, which is still not cheap anymore and have a soda or a little upscale pizza Italian restaurant or Which Chinese is restaurant.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Necessary. Like, you can't just walk into like
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: a grab a slice, like you have to sit down at a table. Yes. But but there are places that you can still go that are reasonable. I don't think you have to go to the name brands. And that's fine.
• 29:06
  There's so much, especially in a big city. If you're in a small town and you only have two restaurants, then you have to decide, you know, where am I going to save? Should I go to the diner or should I go to the more lavish one and how much can I spend in each place? So I think you have to sit down and think about it. You only, you have a pocketbook, you have a salary, or even if you're working on your own, you know how much you can afford and you have to be realistic because, you know, we've been living in a time where people have not been realistic.
• 29:36
  Young people are very much into themselves and into self gratification much more than they used to be because they're not really getting married as young as they used to. So now when you're thinking about yourselves and what you're spending, you have to think about maybe putting a little bit away for tomorrow. Okay, let's move on to the rewind.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: What are we watching on TV? Oh gosh. I just finished Love Is Blind.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Did you? I saw that. That was on Netflix.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on Netflix. It's when they like date through a wall and the whole question is like, can you make an emotional connection without ever seeing somebody? And then they have like four weeks if they decide to propose in the pods to then date in the real world and then they do a wedding.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Did anything actually come out of that?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: One couple went through with the wedding, said yes at the altar. The other three at
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the altar said no. Well that's very much like The Bachelorette and The Bachelor.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: It's similar dating show but it's a little different. I'm always like Makes good TV. Yeah, it does make good TV. It gets addicting. So that was fun, that's Then there's these two shows that I started but I don't know if I wanna finish them.
• 30:51
  Dying for Sex with Michelle Williams.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And Your Friends and Neighbors with John Hamm. Oh, love Yeah, that one's actually good. I'm gonna finish that one. Basically the concept is like, gets fired and he lives in like a really fancy suburb and he decides to like steal from his neighbors.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh. This is like the people stealing people's UPS packages off their front porch. I was thinking we should talk about the women that went up space in thing for seven minutes and came down. I mean, I'm not sure if that's really space travel. It's just going Yes, up is.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I guess. Yes, it there was so much controversy Yes, around
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty silly to be very truthful. I watched it. I watched the whole thing. I watched them land. I thought it was not exactly a cross section of women in America, which a little annoying.
• 31:54
  Have to say, why wasn't it an
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: women flight?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: He made an all women flight, but it was all friends. It was a friend group. Was like if you took Well, eight like
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: just A list celebrities. Yeah. Like Gale King and Katy Perry.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen somebody from Wisconsin, from Florida, Did
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the celebrities pay for it?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: No, nobody paid for
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it. Oh, thought they paid
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: for No, Bezos paid for it. No, I don't think any of them paid for it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. People were like Who cared? Not who cares, but I think they were like, why are these wealthy? Yeah, agree. I didn't like how some of the brands were really mean.
• 32:34
  Like Wendy's was like, can we just leave Katy Perry in space?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I think because she made a comment when she got off that people got annoyed with. This is what I've been saying. And you know, it's grandma's platform, so I can say it. They're not getting who people identify with. I don't can identify with Katy Perry.
• 32:52
  Mean Well, obviously enough, Put in Sam Oklahoma on that space thing. Put me on there. Put girlfriend on Put you on there. Well, Baser's girlfriend's going on. There's no question.
• 33:05
  That was justifiable. It's his girlfriend. It's his ship. He's paying for it. But the other girls, who cares about them?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Makes for a TV moment.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Well, that's it, Oprah, watching. But I thought there was a backlash. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: agree I with, I wonder if like, I'm sure a lot of other big companies are going to take
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Well, Well, too many companies have spaceships.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: No, their big launches are, maybe they'll think differently.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, they'll think differently. Get an ordinary person up there. That's why so many people identified with the two astronauts who were up there. It was a father, a mother. I mean, they are astronauts and they were professionals, but they were likable people.
• 33:45
  Emily Ratajkowski was like, It's disgusting these celebrities would support- The celebrities. Would support- Bezos? Bezos. Oh, well, then they don't like Amazon. They're not We like love Amazon.
• 33:55
  We really love Amazon. That's why I think he should have called me up and had me on the space shuttle.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe. You would go? I would have gone. To space?
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: It's only seven miles up. They didn't go that far. Wasn't like they went to the station. Well, it could have blown up, but I don't think not if his girlfriend was on it. It wasn't going to blow up.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I guess that's funny. Okay, let's do Grandma Gail's voicemail. We have an email someone wrote in and then a voice message. So let's do the email first. Also remember guys you can always email us at teamexcusemygrandma dot com or send us a voice memo on our hotline.
• 34:36
  We have it linked on our Instagram all the time. Okay. Or DM us. The email says, hey, Kim. I hope you and your family had a nice Passover.
• 34:46
  I wanna know grandma's thoughts on this one. I've been dating the same guy about two months, 11 dates. Yes, keep notes. We don't talk and text that much between dates, but we usually have our next date on the calendar. A lot of my friends who have no kids think he's not that interested.
• 35:03
  If he was he would be texting and calling more often. He's 51. I'm 46. And we aren't in a rush to get married or move in together. I wish he showed more interest but my mother who's 74 and almost as opinionated as grandma thinks I'm being a baby and I should be happy.
• 35:20
  We can spend time together when we can. And according to my mom who looked through my dating apps, he's the best match for me by far. Thoughts?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I actually agree with the mother. I mean, you know, 11 dates is a lot in a couple of months. It's in two months. So that's five dates or five and a half days.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Wait, but I've been on like 11 dates and you were like, that's not that much. Like you're just getting to know someone.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I was going to say, I think it's all right. I think that it's part of learning. You're adults, you're not kids. You're both mature adults. And I think that the idea that he doesn't text is fine with me, but he could also, he could pick up his cell.
• 36:03
  He's on his phone, I'm sure during the day. It wouldn't be so terrible if he called a couple of times.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: What are 51 year olds texters?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. There were no texting when I was 51. There are certainly no We all text now. Yeah. But I don't think we have to text when we brush our hair, when we Like you guys do.
• 36:22
  And you put on
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: a new But they talk at all between dates.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I think that's a little strange. Yeah. But I wouldn't push it. It's only two months. Give the guy some space.
• 36:30
  He's mature. Maybe he's feeling his way through. He's evidently still interested. And then I think by the third month, if there are no calls in between dates, I would start to get a little nervous.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Also can't she text him and be like, how's your day going?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Well, that almost looks like you're starting.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: After 11 dates, you can text someone how's your day going? I don't think you all
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: But have I to also think that sounds very needy.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: She thought it was your day, whatever. At the end of the day, like if you go on a than dates
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: with someone. If she feels like it,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with it. I think the bottom line is like, if other people are telling you that it's weird, but you don't think it's weird, who cares? But if you want to be talking to him more than you are, like try initiating it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: You know, this goes back and I think about this very often. We had a matchmaker on when we first did this podcast. Was it? I don't remember. She was very smart.
• 37:19
  She wrote a book she used to say- To Virgil Hoffman? Maybe that was her name. You know, she came from an Orthodox community. So it's a very different kind of dating. They don't date for two months.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Did mean that woman got married? She
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: No, no, long time ago. She was an older woman. It doesn't matter who it was, but she said it's very traditional roles. Men like to be the chasers, the initiators of dating. It's the old roles that men really still like.
• 37:51
  So 11 dates.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: three But there are still men that like to do it themselves and not have a woman hound them. I So think there's a fine line here.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And I also think there's a difference between hounding someone
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: and texting once, How was your day? That's not hounding someone. Well, okay. But let's see what comes out in the third month. Wait a little bit.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Now we're going to do Grandma Gail's hotline. Here's the voicemail someone sent in.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Hi there. My daughter and I are listening to the episode from March 27. Great episode, so thank you for that. At the very end, when there are questions with Grandma Gail, Grandma Gail mentions that she does not believe in therapy. And we're just curious as to why not.
• 38:38
  We find her opinions and her insight very helpful. And we'd love to know what it is about therapy that maybe Grandma Gail doesn't necessarily agree with. Thank you so much. Bye bye.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So they want to know why you aren't a proponent of therapy because they listen to all
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: of your advice. No, and I should clarify that. I am for therapy if you really have serious issues. I myself went through therapy after I had an illness. There are times if you're going through traumatic times in your life that I do believe going to a very legitimate therapist can be very helpful.
• 39:20
  On the other hand, I know that young people today, they're in therapy from the time they're 16 years old. I don't like my exam wasn't good. I didn't have a date for the prom. All of a sudden there's a therapist on the line. I believe therapy in moderation, if you really have a problem, is very, very helpful.
• 39:39
  I do not believe therapy to carry on your everyday life and your relationships is good. If you're having so much trouble in your private life, in your relationships, then there's something really basically wrong with that relationship. And I would move on from it if you can. If you're in a marriage where you need a therapist all the time to deal with this, then you've got issues and then it's fine. But to call a therapist to say, I can't figure out if I should go to this place or that place, and he's driving me crazy with reservations.
• 40:17
  I don't know if I want to go to the South Of France or I want to go to Miami. Some people, they're abusing the use of a therapist. Every week therapy is not necessary for people who are in good mental awareness. If you're having some serious issues, absolutely go to either psychiatrist or a therapist. But I'm not for everyday life living through a therapist.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: So I completely disagree on every single level for so many reasons. One, sometimes you want to talk to someone who doesn't have their own agenda or bias. So someone who really is like helping you figure out your best interest, who isn't your mom who you might have the problem with, a friend who might be selfish for some other reason, whatever it is. Second thing is it's not always I have a problem, can I fix it? Sometimes it's this is something I wanna do, this is a conversation I wanna have.
• 41:12
  What's the best way to go about this in a way that I don't know, won't make the other person aggressive, won't get my point across. Like there's so many things I can't
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: even Well this think is what your generation does.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And we're like arguably healthier, right?
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think at all. I don't think you're healthy at all.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: If you're in therapy, I think you are like in a healthier mental state than like suffering, not suffering.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Well, you're suffering, no question. You should be not even in therapy. You should be seeing your natural psychiatrist to figure out why you're suffering. But just to get on with everyday life and making decisions, you shouldn't have to use a therapist. So, but that's, you know, everybody has their own decision.
• 41:53
  She's asking me what I feel. That's my opinion. Certainly don't cancel your appointment because of Grandma Gail. Yeah. I mean, that's for sure.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, let's play Should We Bring It Back? Palm Beach Edition. So these are things we like used to do in Florida. Was trying to think of more.
• 42:14
  I'm wondering if we should do it still. The breakers brunch in the rotunda room.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I never did that, but you and your dad did it because it's too much food all out at once. It's also so expensive. I think it's very, very nice if you feel like having a really, you know what, it's perfect for Easter Sunday.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Right. They probably upcharge it even more for Easter.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I have no idea how much they charge because I never would go. I don't really like that kind of breakfast to me. I should read them a cup of coffee and I know you did. So you know what, save up and go once in your lifetime. And if you feel like going back, there's nothing wrong with it.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: What about like Lion Country Safari and those kinds of things?
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: But I have to go with a child. Nobody my age wants to go for an hour from where I live to go to Lion Country. But it's wonderful.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Also used to go to like Disney and Universal all the time in Orlando.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: But we've been a million times.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess I just went to Disney in LA, but like I bring that back. Yeah, well,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: you love that. You always liked that. I don't want to bring it back.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: What about, I know the Chesterfield Hotel.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: The old Chesterfield, it's down to Veneta.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Right. Should we bring that back once it's reopening, right?
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. I don't want to bring back the old one. I'm looking forward to the new one,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: which is good.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: The old one was an old hotel that I think had been past its prime, but they had a great bar downstairs that was a leopard bar. And it was very exclusive, very dark and very British looking. It was a nice place to go for a drink. I didn't have friends that used to stay there and we to go, but it certainly needed a revamp. So I'm looking forward to the new one.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. What about like the society section of the paper?
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Well, down here, the whole paper is about what went on the night before. And what I like about it is that most of it is around charity. So it's fine. And I think we should always bring it back. And they do so much good and raise so much money for so many different causes.
• 44:15
  So that I don't want to It's not actual news. It's just how somebody looked and the contributions they made.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's do a quick round of Ask Grandma Anything. Everyone wrote these in on Instagram. So if you want your question answered, remember to always respond to those Instagram stories. Okay, first one. Have you ever been ghosted?
• 44:40
  I guess this is for me. How did you handle it? For sure. It wasn't all the time. But there were times where I was like, why after date, I guess he didn't want to go out again because he never followed up or like But that always happens.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You just have a term for it now in your society. People didn't respond and call for an extra day.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: They're just not calling back. Right. I think the proper use of ghosted is like, if I then said to someone, Hi, how are you? And they didn't They even even answer. It's rude.
• 45:12
  I don't know if that's happened. Because I think I stopped myself before even getting to that point. But how I handled it, I probably told all my friends, told you and was like, What should I do? They don't like me. We then have to move on.
• 45:28
  Grandma's favorite travel destinations? Probably still Paris. Yeah, me too. How old were you when your mom passed and how did that change your life?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: It changed my life drastically. And I was about 67 years old and it changed my life because my mom and I would talk or probably see each other every day of our lives. We lived across the street from each other. So we would do our own activities, but we would see each other either prior to our going our separate ways during the day, or we would talk later in the day and we would have dinner several times a week. I still, of course, I still look up at her from my apartment and still look at her window and think that she's gonna call me.
• 46:18
  So it did alter my life. You never forget your mother or your father. I still think about my father all the time. I guess People you love are not with you anymore, but you certainly don't forget them especially if you love them.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah and I think spending time with your own kids and grandkids It's
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: still not the same. A mother is a mother. My mother never saw anything bad in the way I did things. So I was very lucky. Some are very, I guess, judgmental.
• 46:48
  Mine was not. Do you like matzah? I love it. You might have a crazy thing.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Eat
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: matzah twelve months out of the year. Yeah. The two weeks during Passover, I don't like matzah.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, how come I haven't seen you eat matzah? I do, like, this week. Had it
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: for breakfast. I do eat it in the morning. You know what? I've been trying to cut out bread anyway, So I don't really eat bread. But if somebody offers me a sandwich, I probably would take it.
• 47:16
  But you
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: eat sandwiches all the time for lunch. Only eat sandwiches.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I sort of stopped it. Only like soup for lunch. I have like egg salad or tuna.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: On bread, right? No. Oh, really?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: No. Just the way. I'm trying to cut out some of those carbs. It's hard because I love pasta. I can I limit love pasta?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Wait, why this change?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Because I noticed all of a sudden my pants are getting a little tight. So before I go back to New York and have to look really good, here everything is pull up pants and a loose shirt. I don't dress like that in New York. So I got to cut back a little bit on the pasta bit.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, last one. How do you focus time and energy towards dating as a 30 year old woman? If it's a priority to you and it's something you really want to be doing and you want be in a relationship, then I think maybe making a promise to yourself, like at least every other week or once a week to go on one date. Would say it's for you
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: do more. Oh, you mean she's dating no one in particular in other
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, you know what? She's definitely working. So during the week, if she doesn't have the time or she's exhausted, weekends come about and you should make a plan, either make a plan with friends or make a plan to meet, you know, to go someplace where you might meet people, go to your church, go to your local church for services. You can go to a synagogue on Friday night.
• 48:51
  There are all kinds of go to take dance lessons, do something that you enjoy where you might meet other people your age.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, just to close out, what did we learn this winter season?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Stay out of the cold. You're happy with your decision. I'm very happy with my decision. I needed a little more fix going back to the city, which I didn't do at all this year, but I think I was very happy.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I was trying to think of what was different this year than the past. And I guess like it was the first year I wasn't single during my Palm Beach time. So I guess like my priorities were less like, okay, how can I fit dates in and more like, yep, we can get work done and I can do family stuff, which felt nice? Plus though juggling having to go back and forth more between three locations and like more travel.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you had a lot of frequent flyer things.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you would think like Zach, my boyfriend, he uses one airline so that he gets upgraded on that airline. Yes, of course. But I never use the same airline.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, we always do. That's how we do it all the time. We don't travel that much now, but we still always usually go on Delta because Delta then, you you build up points. I mean, that's how to travel well.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I got to do that because I
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: You did JetBlue a lot this year.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I had bad experiences.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: All right, let's not talk about that because you might want to use that airline again.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, it was a great season. Thank you all for listening and following
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: our Yeah, but come back. We're going to be on and we'll
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: It'll just be coming from New be coming from New York City, be coming from the Hamptons. And obviously follow us on social media at excuse my grandma and mine is kimmerstein and we'll see you
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: soon. Bye.