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Bengals Booth Podcast: Time Of Your Life · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi, gain everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I hope you had the
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  Speaker 1: time of your life. Addition, as we look back at
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  Speaker 1: one of the most memorable seasons in Bengals history. Coming up,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be joined by my broadcast partner Dave Lapham, as
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  Speaker 1: well as Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson, and in
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  Speaker 1: addition to discussing our favorite moments from the Bengal Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl season, we'll answer many of the ask lap questions
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  Speaker 1: that you submitted on Twitter. The Bengals Booth Podcast is
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  Speaker 1: presented by Ultimate Bengals, the free to play Next Level
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  Speaker 1: your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since my dad, My father,
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  Speaker 1: Larry Horde, passed away two nights before the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: at the age of eighty five. I wrote about my
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  Speaker 1: dad on Facebook and I hope you don't mind if
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  Speaker 1: I read part of that post to begin this podcast
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  Speaker 1: as a tribute to a great role model. My parents
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  Speaker 1: divorced when I was young, so I don't remember living
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  Speaker 1: with my dad. But fortunately my folks did a wonderful
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  Speaker 1: job of remaining civil for the sake of me and
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  Speaker 1: my sisters. I never heard either of them say a
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  Speaker 1: bad word about the other. And although we lived with
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  Speaker 1: my mom, we spent a lot of time with my
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  Speaker 1: dad Sunday afternoons at my grandmother's house, camping trips in
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  Speaker 1: the old school bus that he converted into an RV,
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  Speaker 1: and summer vacations to historical places like Washington, d c.
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  Speaker 1: And Plymouth Rock. My very first memory of my dad
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  Speaker 1: is calling him at work and asking for stuff. It
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  Speaker 1: was basically, Hi, Daddy, can you bring me whatever. I
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  Speaker 1: was probably four or five years old, and what I
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  Speaker 1: remember is that he always came through. Now, maybe he
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  Speaker 1: didn't bring me the thing that I asked for, but
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  Speaker 1: if I made that phone call, he would come by
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  Speaker 1: the house after work to see me. In retrospect, I
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  Speaker 1: suppose that's really why I made the call. Anybody that
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  Speaker 1: knew my dad can relate to that story because he
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  Speaker 1: loved to help people. Maybe it was a ride to
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  Speaker 1: or from church, maybe it was help with a handyman
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  Speaker 1: project where he showed up with his toolbox and fixed
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  Speaker 1: what needed to be fixed. Maybe it was just being
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  Speaker 1: there in a time of need when a friend needed
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  Speaker 1: a shoulder to lean on. If he was able to,
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  Speaker 1: my dad always came through. Another early memory of my
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  Speaker 1: dad involved a ship in a glass bottle. He had
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  Speaker 1: a very detailed and elaborate version of one of those.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he built it or bought it,
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  Speaker 1: but I remember thinking it was the most amazing thing
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  Speaker 1: I had ever seen until I dropped it and broke
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  Speaker 1: it into a billion pieces. The guilt was overwhelming, and
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  Speaker 1: I was terrified by how mad my dad would be.
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  Speaker 1: But he wasn't, or at least he didn't let it show.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of being angry, he comforted me, assured me that
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  Speaker 1: it was an accident and that he could easily get
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  Speaker 1: another one. Anybody that knew my dad can relate to
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  Speaker 1: that story too. My dad was kind, My dad was caring.
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  Speaker 1: My dad was forgiving. The best job I ever had
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  Speaker 1: was working for my dad after my freshman year of
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  Speaker 1: college when he owned the upholsters of Jamestown. My job
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  Speaker 1: that summer, along with my friend Jim, was to remove
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  Speaker 1: car seats so that the upholstery could be redone. Once
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  Speaker 1: the work was finished, Jim and I had to put
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  Speaker 1: the seats back into the car. The job itself kind
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  Speaker 1: of sucked, but I loved it because I got to
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  Speaker 1: be around my dad every day that summer. I got
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  Speaker 1: to see him at work, interacting with employees and customers,
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  Speaker 1: and I got to observe his craftsmanship first hand. There
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  Speaker 1: are two things I clearly did not get from my dad,
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  Speaker 1: his hair or his ability to fix and build things.
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  Speaker 1: He was a very skilled man who paid tremendous attention
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  Speaker 1: to detail to the things he worked on, and built furniture,
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  Speaker 1: antique cars, model trainsets, model airplanes. As I mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: the man actually turned an old school bus into an
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  Speaker 1: r V. My dad was especially proud of two things,
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  Speaker 1: his service in the Marine Corps and his family. He
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  Speaker 1: loved God, he loved his country, and he loved his
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  Speaker 1: friends and family. One of the most meaningful things he
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  Speaker 1: ever said to me occurred when my son was born.
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  Speaker 1: He said, now you'll truly know how much you mean
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  Speaker 1: to me. My dad was a very loving man. A
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  Speaker 1: few weeks ago, there was a story about me in
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  Speaker 1: my hometown newspaper describing how I would have the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to broadcast the Super Bowl as the radio voice of
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. A few days before he died, my
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  Speaker 1: step sister read that story to my dad, and he
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  Speaker 1: was smiling and responsive. I'd like to think it was
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  Speaker 1: a final happy moment before he passed away. I do
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  Speaker 1: know this, he didn't need a radio or the Internet
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  Speaker 1: to listen to my broadcast. He caught every word. I
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  Speaker 1: cherished those memories, and I'm grateful to have had as
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  Speaker 1: many years with my dad as we did. He was
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful man. Now time for my conversation with Dave
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  Speaker 1: Lapham and Jeff Butch Hobson. Well, we can't say it
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  Speaker 1: was the best team enfranchise history, since the eighty one
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  Speaker 1: and eighty eight teams also made it that far, but
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  Speaker 1: it might be the most remarkable team in franchise history,
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  Speaker 1: considering six twenty five and won the previous two years
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  Speaker 1: and a quarterback coming act from major surgery. Lap what
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  Speaker 1: will you remember most about the twenty twenty one Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: I think their resiliency and never give up attitude. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they were behind double digit scores in multiple games, big games,
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  Speaker 1: you know, against good teams that clinched the division title,
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  Speaker 1: clinched the conference championship. I mean, that's that's some pretty
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  Speaker 1: powerful stuff, you know. And when you feel like, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what, no matter what the circumstance, we have confidence
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  Speaker 1: we can come back, you know, get things right, square
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  Speaker 1: it away and win this football game. And it became
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  Speaker 1: like a self fulfilling prophecy, you know. I mean, once
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  Speaker 1: they did it once, it was like, we're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: it again. We're gonna do it again, and it just
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that stuff becomes powerful, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's almost like, don't even question it. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's part of our makeup. It's part of our DNA.
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  Speaker 1: That's what this football team was all about. It. It
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  Speaker 1: was very impressive. There's there's no two ways about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I agree. I think I think this team might
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  Speaker 1: have been as as impressive a turnaround deserves in franchise history,
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  Speaker 1: never mind our NFL history, I should say, never mind
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  Speaker 1: franchise history. I mean, it was crazy. How about you,
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  Speaker 1: But I was thinking I wasn't thinking about me when
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  Speaker 1: you floated that question out, Hardy. I was thinking about
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  Speaker 1: the kids who are eight nine, ten years old now
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  Speaker 1: because I think this team, this will be their team
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  Speaker 1: for all time, just for all the things that lap
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  Speaker 1: Lap talked about, all the comebacks, how surprising it was,
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  Speaker 1: and the Bengals will be their team. I you know.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe it's because kind of a romantic lush when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the sixty seven Red Sox, but to me,
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  Speaker 1: there's some there's some similarities. Finished a game and a
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  Speaker 1: half out of last place in sixty six, nobody gave
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  Speaker 1: him a shot. They came out of nowhere in sixty seven,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the year I started. I was eight years old.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know who the Red Sox were in sixty six,
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  Speaker 1: but I sure did in sixty seven, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: I fell in love with a Red Sox. And the
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  Speaker 1: sixty seven team will always be my team. So there's
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  Speaker 1: eight nine year old kids and Anderson and Cheviot and Covington,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be their team. This is going
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  Speaker 1: to be their sixty seven Red Sox, the twenty one Bengals,
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  Speaker 1: and when they go to their grave and eighty five,
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  Speaker 1: when they're eighty five, you know they'll be they'll they'll
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  Speaker 1: probably be the kids will be talking about that twenty
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  Speaker 1: one Bengals team. It's it was that I think. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I'm overdoing it to say it was that
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  Speaker 1: kind of team. Yeah, I'm with you there. I think
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  Speaker 1: the energy created by the team of the fan base
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  Speaker 1: really stands out to me as well. We always hear
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  Speaker 1: coaches and executives at various points refer to their fans
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  Speaker 1: as we've got the greatest fans in the world. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember Rick Minter doing that when the UC football
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  Speaker 1: team played in the Humanitarian Ball, the first Bowl game
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  Speaker 1: in more than forty years, and he's on that blue
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  Speaker 1: turf in Boise, Idaho, after they beat Utah State. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go BEARCAF fans. We got the greatest fans in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And at that point it was a very small I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there might have been twenty Cincinnati fans that made the
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  Speaker 1: trip out to Boise, and the UC football fan base
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  Speaker 1: was just growing at that point. It's awesome now, but
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  Speaker 1: back then it was small but loyal. But people always
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  Speaker 1: say that. But I really do think the Bengals might
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  Speaker 1: have the greatest fans in the world. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: way that this city rallied around this team this year,
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  Speaker 1: the scene when they got back from the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: the fans channing who Day in Tennessee and at Kansas
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  Speaker 1: City and big numbers. It was incredible to me. And
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  Speaker 1: as we do this podcast, I'm recording it from Orlando.
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  Speaker 1: I went for a run this morning in a Bengal
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  Speaker 1: shirt and I'm getting stopped on the UCF campus by
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  Speaker 1: people just going like, hey, Bengals are you Bengals fan?
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  Speaker 1: We love the Bengals. So for whatever reason, uh, this
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  Speaker 1: team has really captured the imagination not only of Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: but football fans all over the country. It's incredible. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, Dan h Joe Barrow is
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  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, if you do the Q what
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  Speaker 1: do they call it, the Q rating or the Q
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  Speaker 1: score or whatever on Joe Barrow, he may be as
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  Speaker 1: high as her as in the world. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not kidding you. This this this Uh. You know, everybody
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  Speaker 1: loves the underdog, and the Bengals were the underdog. I
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  Speaker 1: mean they were the team, like you said, six twenty
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  Speaker 1: five and one the last two seasons, and then they
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  Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. There's that's not There's not
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  Speaker 1: any bigger underdog than that. I mean, that's that's just
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  Speaker 1: an incredible, h incredible situation. And I mean we all
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  Speaker 1: have friends all over the all over the country, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you everybody that I've reached out to me
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  Speaker 1: and I've reached out to it's like, man, everybody loves
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  Speaker 1: this Cincinnati Bengal football team. I mean, it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: story that that all human beings want to relate to.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It mays there, whatever their goals and dreams
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  Speaker 1: are in life, it makes them more plausible, more more achievable,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's it's something everybody just can
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  Speaker 1: jump on and grab a hold of, and I can
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  Speaker 1: go for a ride with and and and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: amazing how it's it's caught fire. I think on a
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  Speaker 1: and like you say, on an international basis, because uh
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing NFL Europe games for a few years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the NFL is bigger than people realize, particularly
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  Speaker 1: in Germany and play certain certain hotspots in Europe. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty it's big now. And uh so internationally it's
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  Speaker 1: the NFL is a powerful, powerful machine. I'm telling you
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a nine hundred pound gorilla. And there's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt and the Bengals have the modern Joe names. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's not the playboy the Joe Namath was, but he
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  Speaker 1: is the most effortlessly cool star athlete out there right now.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a wonderful thing when you add a great
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  Speaker 1: of a player that he is all right. Next topic,
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  Speaker 1: what was your favorite game and or moment this season?
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  Speaker 1: But you go first. I think it had to be
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  Speaker 1: the Well, there were two of them, the playoff game
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  Speaker 1: at home, and I was thinking, I'm thinking of my
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  Speaker 1: daughter Carrie, who was no doubt going to listen to
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  Speaker 1: this podcast because she listened to them all big fans
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  Speaker 1: of Hording and Lap. But I know she was in
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  Speaker 1: the stands. I knew while she was there, and I
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  Speaker 1: saw her before the game, and I know that she
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  Speaker 1: was probably like everybody else in the building, she was
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  Speaker 1: crying when Jermaine Pratt picked that ball off. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you it was you know what you talked about this
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  Speaker 1: the moment when Ted picked the ball off in fifteen. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Pratt picked the ball off, and Carry and Kevin were
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  Speaker 1: in the stands. They were crying, and it would perfect
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  Speaker 1: this time. They were able to keep crying because the
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  Speaker 1: interception held up and the other moment I remember was
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  Speaker 1: just being on the field in Kansas City after they
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  Speaker 1: won the a C Championship and the day's look on
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  Speaker 1: a couple of NFL radio reporters and producers and watching
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  Speaker 1: Boomer's size and getting pictures taken with some of his
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  Speaker 1: old teammates Ikey Woods, Joe Kelly, and Bob Boomer, the
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  Speaker 1: poster boy of that eighty eight team, reveling in it,
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  Speaker 1: loving the moment. I was. That was great, too, Lap.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the first game that really impressed me
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  Speaker 1: about this football team was when they went to Baltimore
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  Speaker 1: and took him apart, you know, and Harbaugh's worst defeat
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  Speaker 1: in Baltimore as a head coach came at the hands
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  Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals football team, and I'm like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, man, this might be a better team. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was going to be, and that that was
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  Speaker 1: kind of the with me. It was like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they to come from behind. Stuff started right away. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even the opener, you know against Minnesota, they they touched
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  Speaker 1: the from the jaws of defeat. You know, they clutched
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  Speaker 1: his victory on a very amazing in a very amazing way.
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  Speaker 1: But but I'd have to say, having played in an
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  Speaker 1: ASC championship game and understanding the pressures of that to
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  Speaker 1: be down by fourteen points three different times and keep
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  Speaker 1: coming back and then ultimately win the football game. To me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you get down early, and you know now
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  Speaker 1: you're starting to try to mount to come back, and
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  Speaker 1: they still the kind of okay, I'm gonna, I'm answering,
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  Speaker 1: I'm keeping that fourteen point lead, and you don't. You
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  Speaker 1: don't say, huneez, well we gave it a shot. Man.
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  Speaker 1: You keep rolling, man, you keep slugging and punching. And
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  Speaker 1: then to do what they did to an offense, an
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  Speaker 1: offense of structure like Kansas City has coordinated and put
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  Speaker 1: together by Andy Reid, one of the best all time,
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  Speaker 1: and executed by a quarterback that's amongst the greatest. And
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  Speaker 1: for the Bengals defensively to do what they did in
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  Speaker 1: the second half to that that triumvirate there, that trio
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable to me. Unbelievable. I mean they shut Hill out,
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  Speaker 1: they hold the homes to fifty yards passing. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they made they made it look like a Pop Warner
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  Speaker 1: football team, like they didn't know what they were looking at.
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  Speaker 1: It just totally was mind boggling to see what that
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  Speaker 1: defense did in the second half of the Kansas City
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs in such a big game on the road. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that fan base was stunned, stunned, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: uh that that was that was memorable to me. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that had an impact on me because in those
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  Speaker 1: in those big games, to be able to pull that
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  Speaker 1: off the way they pulled it off, I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's that's strong right there. The game for me
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  Speaker 1: was the home playoff win over the Raiders just because
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  Speaker 1: it was so cathartic. We don't have to hear about
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  Speaker 1: the playoff droute again now for the next hopefully you know, right,
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  Speaker 1: long long time. Uh. And then moment it was Kansas
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  Speaker 1: City getting stopped on the past to Tyree Hill just
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  Speaker 1: before halftime of that AFC Championship game. Those are the
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  Speaker 1: types of moments, unfortunately, that have gone against the Bengals
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  Speaker 1: in recent history, over the last ten, twenty years, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it might be. It was about time that one of
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  Speaker 1: those signature moments went their way to help them get
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  Speaker 1: over the hump and win a game of that magnitude.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the Super Bowl when your
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  Speaker 1: team loses. Everybody's second guesses, decisions that didn't work out, fans, media,
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  Speaker 1: even the coaches that made those decisions. That's just the
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  Speaker 1: way it goes. So here's the question. If you could
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  Speaker 1: put yourself in Zach Taylor's shoes and do one thing
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  Speaker 1: differently in the Super Bowl, what would that thing be?
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  Speaker 1: Lap you go first, I would have blocked with as
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  Speaker 1: many people as it took to protect Joe Burrow a
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  Speaker 1: little bit longer. I mean, I would have gone with
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  Speaker 1: seven man protections if I had to, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: get that done on an every snap basis. I would
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  Speaker 1: have tripled team Daron Donald if I had to, because
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you look at it, it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: well it's a numbers game. Lead more than five people
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  Speaker 1: block in you know they've got they're only rushing four.
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  Speaker 1: You have five block and four. Or you know a
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  Speaker 1: scenario where they won five on five and got one
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  Speaker 1: on ones, which was a big factor. They want five
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  Speaker 1: man rush and got their one on one matchups, and
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  Speaker 1: things couldn't hold up one on one. So in that case,
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  Speaker 1: put more guys in there to help them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: go with six, go with seven man protections. Whatever the
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  Speaker 1: case may be you were running it well enough, you
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  Speaker 1: would established Joe Mixon a little bit where the trickeration
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  Speaker 1: play the half back touchdown pass work because they had
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  Speaker 1: respected the run well enough. Where guys get sucked up
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  Speaker 1: trying to stop the run. So play acts nets max protection.
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  Speaker 1: A play action game is extra blockers to me. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, all right, well, you only have two or
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  Speaker 1: three guys on out in a route, and you get
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  Speaker 1: all these guys in coverage. Well, you only attack with
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  Speaker 1: the passwords they have. You only attack one area of
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  Speaker 1: the field anyway. Quarterback doesn't stand back there and survey
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  Speaker 1: the whole field and oh yeah, well, I think I'll
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  Speaker 1: take this one against that pass rush. All you're doing
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  Speaker 1: is hoping to get enough where you can scheme something
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  Speaker 1: up on one area of the field where you can
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  Speaker 1: beat them, you know, and forget the other areas. They
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  Speaker 1: know they don't have anybody even carb or worry about.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But if you don't have time to survey the whole
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: field and scan, I would have concentrated more on protecting
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Burrow because you know, there were there were multiple instances
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: of if he had a little bit more time, just
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: another half a beat, including the last play of the game.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jamar Chase, Jalen Ramsey falls down, Jamar Chase
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: has a stand up touchdown. If Joe Burrow has time
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to look, look at him, look for him. But again,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that's what I would have done. I would have made
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: particularly in the second half when they were overwhelmed by
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: that pass rush, I would have taken. I would have
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: kept as many bodies as I possibly could end to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: give Joe Burrow a puncher's chance to at least look
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: for a couple of vers, you know, not the whole field,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: but just two looks, you know, and if it's not there,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: broad away. If it's not there, if you have an
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: area that scram will get back to the line of
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: spermag or whatever, go ahead. But I mean to just
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to take the beating at beating after beating they took
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: in the pass rush like that, I would have tried
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: to change that a little bit. What y how about you? Yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I just would have taken the last drive of overtime
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City and just try to replicate that every
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: time out in so far, would not have left the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: would have made a vow not to leave the building
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: without giving you know, Joe Moore, Joe Mixing twenty three,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: four twenty five, carries um and gone under center. You know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: just kind of try to take the playbook from Las
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Vegas and Denver and try to muddy it up a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: little bit. But that said, that's easy. The second guess
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: is the big brother of hindsight. Uh. And I sent
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: my hat to Zach Taylor. I know he's getting grilled.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I still think you ought to be Coach of the Year.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: He did a hell of a job. I mean, we
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: can all sit back there and do it. And of
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: course I'll be the first one to rave about the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: running game, but I thought, you know, I think Zach
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: should still be Coach of the Year. I'm sure Zach
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: is second guessing all of this stuff, just like we are.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That's what happens when you lose a game of this magnitude,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: and lose it in a close fashion, with a game
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: winning touchdown being scored with less than a minute and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a half to go. I will zone in on a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: very specific thing, final drive of the game. I'm not running.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to put it in Joe Burrow's hands, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to let him try to pass his way
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: down the field. That's me. Now, they only ran one
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: so I'm only really talking about one snap, But even
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that one snap, when you run the ball, clock's going
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to run. If you don't get it, makes it that
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: much more difficult. So for me, very minor thing. I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: don't even have an issue with some JP Ryan being
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: out there. To me, I'm just I'm letting Burrow try
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to get you far enough to get within the range
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of Evan McPherson to tie it or possibly to take
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you all the way down the field to win it. All. Right,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: next topic, after the game, I think I've seen approximately
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: eight thousand, seven hundred and twenty six stories that have
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: basically followed this theme. Sure, Joe Burrow is great, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Dan Marino never got back to a super Bowl after
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: going in his second year. Aaron Rodgers has only been once,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees has only been once. It's going to be
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: very hard for the Bengals to make it back. And
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff is true. But here's my counter.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: The Bengals were ahead of schedule. The roster should get better.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: They've got cap space, they've got all of their draft picks,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: most of their best young players are signed for several
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: more years. Now, getting better doesn't mean that you make
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it back to the Super Bowl next year. You need
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: injury luck, you need luck in general. But am I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: crazy z to be confident that the Bengals are going
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to make it back to a Super Bowl sometime in
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the next three or four years, assuming that Joe Burrows healthy. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know, when Marino didn't make
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: it back, that was that was before free agency, you know,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so you got more ways to help yourself right away
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: than you did back in the day. And I you know, uh,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: look at how young they are. I don't know how
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, that's that's the thing that is
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: striking to me. I don't think any of their key
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: players were are over twenty seven years old and they're
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: under contract, you know. So yeah, I'm with you, Dan,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean, you know, either of the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: head I mean, the two things you have to avoid.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: It seems like a penalties and injuries. They were the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: least penalized team in the league. And really their injuries
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: they didn't you know, compared to the last couple of years,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: they had really no significant injuries. So I mean, I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I can they do that again? And I just think
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the standards gonna be, but they're
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: gonna have a shot every year. To mean, that's all
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you want with a guy like Borrow. When they're gonna
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: have a shot, and if you get if you get
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: beat in like the first round because of a flag
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: or if you get beat in the second round because
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know you're maybe down to guys, I don't think
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I mean just suck. I mean, I think that's part
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of living. I mean, I think you're in it. So
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I think they can go back to the Super Bowl
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: just because of Burrow. But if they don't, I don't
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: think that means that we'll get the Hindenburg here lap. Yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I mean I think I think they can as well.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I think they have a special guy at quarterback. Even
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: even the pressure that he was under in the second
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: half of that Super Bowl, they could have won that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: football game. I mean, the guy is he's a He's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: a special player. There's no question about it. But you
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: look at the teams. I mean New England Patriots the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: most obvious example of it. They go a million times
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: with Brady and Belichick because the rest of the division sucked.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't even have to get out of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: bed to win the NFC East. No competition, so you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: all year long, I mean, they're sweeping their division and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: they got a leg up on it, and they're gonna
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: get They're gonna get a high seed. You know. They
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be Provision winners. They're gonna be one of
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the four. They never were gonna be a wild card.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: They're gonna get a high seat and potentially home field
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: advantage through the playoffs because the rest of the division
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: just did not compete. This division who this division is brutal.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Winning the AFC North there's a much different dynamic. I mean,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that's the first goal, and that's as tough a goal
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: as there is in my opinion. I mean, I really
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: think the Bengals from one to fifty three were about
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: as solid football team as there was around the league.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You know. I mean, now, the La Rams, they had
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: their Hollywood superstars, and they obviously made plays and won
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but they're I take the Bengals roster
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: one to fifty three depth wise over the over the Rams,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and I'll tell you. I'll tell you another team that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: has a hell of a roster one to fifty three
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: is to Cleveland Browns. You know, they had some injuries,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: particularly a quarterback. What's the common denominator? They both they
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: both quarterbacks were in their rookie contracts. So you know
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: they can they can really build a roster, you know.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And so there's a window there for the Bengals and uh,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you know Baltimore, the Baltimore Ravens finis the year with
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: twenty four guys on injury reserve, ten starters on injury reserve.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: That football team. If they come back healthy and stay healthy,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that's the son of a gun too. I mean, you're
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and if Pittsburgh gets a quarterback, we know what they
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: have defensively, we know they got a running game. They're
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: gonna have to work on their offensive line like the Bengals,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: but I mean they've got some pieces now. So I mean,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the AFC North is top a tough division. You know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, you know, Cake walks through the regular season
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: in the NFC, just Cake walks through it, you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: when he was been with Green Bay. That's why one
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: reason I think he might consider it is, man, I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: go somewhere else. I go to Denver in the SEU
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: West as opposed to staying competing in the NSC North.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, man, so I think I think those are
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: all all big factors. But yeah, I mean can they
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: can they compete and can they win the division? Eh? Yeah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: but they have to. This was the perfect storm. They
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: stayed relatively healthy, other teams didn't in the division, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: they took full advantage of it, and then they started
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: playing their best football at the most opportune time in
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, particularly defensively. I mean they peaked defensively at
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the absolute best time. So you know when you have it,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: when you have a magical season like this one, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it was right there for the grab and you just
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: couldn't quite grab hold of it. Man, that's top. That's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: what's frustrating, because man, they got so close to finishing
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it off and it was just they could. They could
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: have finished the perfect storm with it with a big ride. Man,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: there's no question about it. But can it be repeated? Yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it can be. Is it gonna be easy? Hell no,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: not North. It ain't gonna be easy, There's no doubt
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: about it. So I assume Joe Burrow would be the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: team MVP if all of us had to vote on that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: So here's my next question, who are your top three? None,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Team MVPs LAP you go first. You know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I'd have to say, Um, Joe Mixon for for what
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: he what he provides, not just from a physicality standpoint,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in terms of you know, when Joe Mixon gets it gone,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: When Joe Mixon makes a big play, he lifts the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: entire football team, he lifts the entire you know, fan base.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: When he's at home. Um, he's he's kind of a
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: lightning rod that way, you know, So I'd have to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'd have to say that, you know that Joe's up there.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously it's so so much easier to pick
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: other guys offensively. Um, you know, the obvious connection between
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you know, Burrow and Chase is you know, that's MVP
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: A like two. But I mean, I think Joe gives, uh,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you know what, what he provides his teammates in the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: locker room and the intangibles, the leadership part of it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I'd uh, I'd have to. I'd have to lean on
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: on Joe as being an extremely important player to the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: success of the Cincinnati Bengals, Let's put it that way,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: on and off the field, which I couldn't couldn't agree
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: more about mixing lap I endorse everything you say about
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that he's on and off the field. I think I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: circled over time against Kansas City. He was just absolutely huge,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and he was huge in key parts. Uh, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they didn't give him the ball enough to string together
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: some dominant performances that you would think of. But you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: big red zone touchdown in Tennessee, you know, um and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and and and carrying him on their back. And Vegas
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and to me, the biggest game, the biggest regular season
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: game of the year, that win in Vegas coming out
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of the bye. You know, it was huge. So yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm mixing all the way the other two.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I think what Jodie gave us three I would I
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: would obviously go with Chase, and I think I go
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: with Hendrickson on defense. I think Hendrickson was You just can't,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, fourteen sacks, I mean that's just you know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that's t J watsh. You know, you just can't. You
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: can't write that off how important that is. I would
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: go Chase. It's hard to go against mixing. He's the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: heart and soul in many ways of the entire roster.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But Chase just transformed the offense so much. I mean
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: NFL networked at a top ten Bengals Plays of the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Year kind of thing a week or two ago, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: like the first six were Chase and they were just
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: such big momentum swinging plays. Those plays early in the year,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: at the end of the half and every game that
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: just swung the game in the Bengals favor. So I'd
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: have to say Chase. Defensively, I kind of fall on
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Mike Hilton, another heart and soul kind of guy. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: thought his leadership was off the charts. The kind of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: accountability he brought to that position group I thought was incredible.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And I got to throw an Evan McPherson. I know
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: he's a kicker, it's hard to include him in an
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: MVP discussion, but the fact that the Bengals needed to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: gain ten fewer yards on every drive to get points
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: because of his range, and then you throw in the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: clutch factor with five walk offs during the course of
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the year. If a kicker can be mentioned, is one
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of your top three most valuable players, then he deserved
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: being mentioned. Yeah, I agree, and I'll tell you Jill
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Mixon and Jamar Chase are the perfect example of all right,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: a running back that's going to pound and do the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: blue collar dirty be physical, pound you make you load
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the box up, and then Chase kills you all can't
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: load the box up. Gotta go defend Chase. Now, Joe
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Hurtschie and it's like pick your always. Do you want
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to die quickly? Do you want to die slowly? You're
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: gonna die somehow? Which way do you want to die?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: You know? It's one of those kinds of things. So
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: those guys are like the perfect cop kill of that
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: type thing. And you know, obviously Chase is the guy
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that's going to make the big explosives. But if it's
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: not for Joe Mixon pounding away, you know, and making
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that front step, that making defensive coordinators change the box,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and then now that trickles down to coverage changes and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: more holes in the secondary. The Chase to take example
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: advantage of. I mean, that's a one two punch that's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: as good as the original league in that regard. There's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: no question. I remember when they took a Chase. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: talked to Brian Callahan, the offensive coordinator, and he said,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you know, we just helped our running game and our
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: offensive line because now they can't put they can't put
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: eight or seven guys in the box, you know, so
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: we just you know, now these guys are gonna have
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to you guys are gonna have to back up, you know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: So I thought that was kind of interesting that they
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: felt like they were, you know, they were helping mixing
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: by drafting a left tackle, but by drafting an explosive
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: wide receiver. And guys, I'll tell you what the Chase
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Ramsey battle, Chase landslide, no context, Chase overpowered and physically
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the big physical Jalen Ramsey who intimidates wide receivers. Chase
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: treated him like his little brother, throwing t Higgins, tossing
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: him aside like a rag doll as well. Yeah, by
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the face mask detail details exactly. We're not going to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: let the facts get in the way of a good story.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So I pointed the Lap signal into the Cincinnati sky.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: This week, we have a bunch of asked Lap questions,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: or in this case, ask Lap, Butch and Dan questions.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to specifically start with one that was
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: intended for Lap. And these are actually two separate questions,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: one from somebody named John, another question from a guy
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: named Brian. John asked should the Bengals consider playing Jonah
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Williams at a different position? Brian asked, Lap, do you
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: still think Jonah williams best spot might be center? So
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: what do you think on that topic in general, the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: notion of moving Jonah Williams from left tackle and possibly
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: even having him wind up some day at center. Yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I mean I think he could be a good center.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: You know. I thought that from jump Street. I thought
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that he had all the all the physical and mental
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: qualities and capabilities that are necessary to play that position.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: You know really well. But I do want to I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: do want to take a second here to say, Trey
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Hopkins hell of a job, man. I mean, you talk
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: about coming back in a short period of time from
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: a reconstructed ACL are you kidding me? And to play
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: suck it up and play like you played. That's not
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: easy to do. It's not easy to do, believe me.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: And uh, and he did it, and he's a grinder, man.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for what Trey Hopkins
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: did and how he did it. It's and that is
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: not an easy accomplishment. And he pulled it off and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: tap tip my cap to him. But my mindset on
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: this is depending on what they get in free agency
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and in the draft, and you don't have to go
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: very far to find a model. Last year, the Kansas
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: City Chiefs, their offensive line get taken apart in the
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and Patrick Mahomes was serpentine and backwards the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: whole day, running around, you know, like a chicken with
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: his head cut off, and having to make fifty yard
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: throws just to get the ball back to the line
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: of scrimmages. Seemed like m and so they said, all right,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: we're going to rebuild. They signed to in free agency,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and they drafted too, and all of them end up starting.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: You know, they got they got Orlando Brown and Tuning
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: at garden tackle, and they got Humphrey and they got
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: another guard and as rookies, and that was four out
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of their five guys. In my mind, with the offensive
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: line right now, depending on what happens in free agency
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and the draft, I just I put everybody in a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: bag and I say, all right, who am my five
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: best blindmen and where can I put them? To get
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: my five best lineman on the football field. Identity in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: my opinion is still he's a better tackle. Than a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: guard because he has athleticism, he's got feet. He didn't
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: have enough leading his ass in my opinion to play guard.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I mean he got he got overpowered by bull rushers. Inside.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit better on the edge potentially,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: So you know, and Joe, okay, maybe take a look
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: at Joan at center depending on what you yet, who
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you're going to get in free agency, if you can
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: get a guarden tackling free agency like they did Kansas
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: City did, and then draft a center and a guard
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: or you know, draft to guard whatever it is, you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and say, Okay, it's a it's a competition. Nobody has
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: a job, and nobody should come back after this offseason
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: thinking they have a starting job. You got to come
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: back fighting your tail off just to get a starting
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: position with the Cincinnati Bengals offensive line. And may the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: best man win. And guys may be tried in different positions,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you know. Whoever, my five best guys are that I see,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of percolat and formulating out of that competition,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: find spots from to play. And there may be guys
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: playing different positions than they played last year. There maybe
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: four out of the five guys, maybe new guys, just
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: like what happened with the Kansas City Chiefs. Don't know.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: All I know is it's got to be open season.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Competition wise, get as many bodies as you can, good
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: bodies in there to compete as you possibly can. The
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: best man wins our Next question comes from Stephen. But
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you can tackle this. Do the Bengals need to draft
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: another receiver with real speed? I like Tred Taylor, but
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: assuming Odd and Tape moves on, there is no real depth.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Am I right? That's Steven's question. Yeah, he's right. I
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: mean they were lucky this year. There are three guys
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: didn't get hurt. I mean, I think they only lost
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: out of three guys. Out of a potential fifty one games,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: they got forty nine. They only lost two Higgins for two.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: They're lucky. So yeah, they got to finger takes gone.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: They're gonna have to draft somebody. I've looked, probably the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: middle of the draft. Probably, I think. I don't think
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I can't see him going out in free agency, but
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I could see them spend an earth a third or
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a fourth for a guy they think they can come
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: in and play. Next question, this is a combined question.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: From our friend Austin Elmore and also somebody named Chris Lap.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: You can tackle this. Why do you think the Bengals
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: have struggled with the draft and the development of offensive linemen. Yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I can say that they haven't for the entire history
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of the franchise. They got the best left tackle that
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: has ever played, and he's in the Hall of Fame,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and the best right tackle amongst the best ever in
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the history of the National Football League, and he'll be
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame shortly Williamerson. It's not like
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: they've never been able to uncover and develop, you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: talent Max Montoya the guard position. I mean, there's there's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of instances that you can you can go
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: back to, but that's going back aways obviously, and we're
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: talking about this football team. I know, people gonna throw
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Cedric away. He you know out there. Billy Price obviously
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: didn't work out, and at least they got some value
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: there with b J Hill with the Billy Price saying
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: they have a seventh round draft pick from the New
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: York Giants in this year's draft at eight picks and
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the extra pick is as a result of that trade.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of the gift that keeps on given.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But um yeah, hopefully they they identify the people they
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: identify in the draft, pan out and produce. But you know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you look, you look at it. It's not like they
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: didn't try last year, second fourth and sixth round. And
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I would not give up on any of them in
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the second, fourth and sixth round right now. It's you know, you,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I remember what it's like to be a rookie offensive
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: lineman and man, you don't know what you don't know.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: You're going against grown men. You're twenty two, twenty three
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: years old, and you're playing against guys you know, in
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of cases ten years older than you, that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: have old man strength and old man knowledge, and sometimes
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it takes a little a little bit to make an adjustment.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And you know, I really I think I think Deante
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Smith would have made some noise this year if he
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: stayed healthy. I think I think that kid has has
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: some some something to him, some fiber to him, and
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, work with him Hill. It was
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of times it was too big for him
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: as a rookie lineman. That doesn't mean it's always going
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: to be too big for him. From a mental standpoint,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you get overwhelmed mentally a little bit. But he's got
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: some physical traits. Now, so the guy the guys they
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: drafted in those three rounds, and then Jackson Carmen just
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: has to, you know, make football his number one priority
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and trust his technique more than he does. He won
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: one player he'll show like, wow, that's that's impressive, and
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: then the next place, what the hell was that? You know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So he's he's all over the board. Um, he needs
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: to be more consistent trusting his technique and football has
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to become, you know, his one and only. He's got
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of interest. Football has to be the paramount interest.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't give up on
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: developing those three guys. I was, okay if by asking stuff,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I mean needing to ask you this for for a
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: while and I'm just now this discussion has spurred it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: But do you think it's hotter in the last three,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: four or five years? Is it hot to for an
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman? They come into the league now, maybe more
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: so than earlier than maybe ten years ago, just because
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: of the style they play in college. They're playing seven
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: on seven in college, and it just seems like the lineman.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just seems like a different game now
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: when they come up here. I was wondering about that.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Do you think it takes longer now to get entrenched? Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that, uh necessarily in um
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in college football that they teach great pass protection technique,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's it's I look at a
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: lot of offensive linemen and the way they they're past protecting,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, it's it's it's not going to translate
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: very well in the National Football League. But I'll tell
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: you haven't played in an era where you couldn't use
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: your hands and then you know, you have to keep
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: your hands under your chest, and you were just a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: punching bag. I mean they could head slap that, they
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: could do anything they wanted to you, and you couldn't
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: even defend yourself. Pass protection past protection was like miserable.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I mean that's why you only threw a twenty twenty
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: five times a game, because it was like you couldn't
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you couldn't keep these great athletes away from your quarterback
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: long enough. I mean, you are a human punching bag,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: you know, for treating give the ground grudgingly and just
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: getting smacked around, and all you wanted to do is run,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: block and knock people off the line of scrimmage. And
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: if you've gotten third and eight, it was like, oh god,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: you know, here we go. It's going to be a
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: double head slap. Both my ears are going to be ringing,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and everything else. So it's it's much it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a much different game now. And when they liberalized, it
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh. I mean, it's like you
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: let out of prison when I was able to extend
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: your hands and arms and was like, oh man, this
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: is unbelievable. So I mean, there's there's yin and yang,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: there's given take to it. But I mean, obviously the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: athletes are getting bigger, faster, better or stronger all that stuff.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: But I think it's just all I'm not sure at
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the collegiate level that the technique that's being taught the
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: offensive linement from a past protection standpoint, and I don't
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: think they necessarily. All they say is, you know, keep them,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: keep them occupied for a couple of seconds. Guys, that's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: all we need. And I know you need a little
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: bit more than that. In the National Football League, you know, um,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I think, uh, there's still an adjustment, still
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a big time adjustment coming from college football and National
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Football League. For that reason, I think our next question
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: comes from a Woogie the Goats. How likely is it
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that the Bengals extend Eli Apple? What do you think?
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: But I think it's I think it's a possibility. I
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: think they gotta make some Hay in some other places first.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I think they you know, I think they like what
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: he did. I mean, I I know he's getting h
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: he's getting grilled for what happened in the super Bowl.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: But I mean, Giez, you know, I mean, I I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you know, just think if you didn't have him, you know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he was a guy that really
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: really helped them. Clearly corners a position that they that
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: they have to look at. But yeah, I think they'll
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: take a look at bringing him back. But you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I think they gotta make I think they got to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: make Hay in some other places first, and then they'll
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: look at that safe to assume that Trey Waynes as
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: a cap casualty, yeah, you'd have to think. So, I
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: don't know, Lapp, what do you think I'm I'm I'm
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: thinking that that's that's a big number for a guy
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that I think what he played. How many snaps did
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: he play in his two years? Two hundred and fifty? Yeah,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I mean the there's a lot, as the old saying goes,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of abilities are necessary in the biggest availability,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and he certainly wasn't, you know. So Uh the fact
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that that he didn't, it just didn't pan out for
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: him physically. Uh. And it's sad because I think I
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: think if he'd stayed healthy, he could have contributed. He
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: could have contributed pretty darn well. I mean, they paid
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: him that money for a reason, and it was a
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: good reason. I agree with you with respect to Apple,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I think it's going to be.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: If he's looking to hit the lottery, think I'll resign him.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: But if he's reasonable, you gotta have somebody. You got
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: have bodies back there who the hell they got, you know?
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, if if if one becomes a cap casually
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta sign the other one until at
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: least you go into um, you know, the draft, or
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: if you don't get anybody else in free agency, you
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: have to. But I think it has to be a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: reasonable deal for him to be resigned. I don't think
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: you know, his his his agent, his people. Can you know,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: can can go to the Bengals trying to break the bank.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: So I agree, I think, you know, I I think
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the Beans will approach free its just like they always have.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: They're gonna sign the guys their own that they feel like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: you know, they need to bring back and keep the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: continuity and all that sort of thing. That's what they're
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: going to attack first and foremost. And he's one of them.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Let me follow up with that lap what happens with
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Jesse Bates in your opinion? You know, he may get
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: tagged initially, but that one's going to be interesting because
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: obviously during the regular season, I think you know, he'll
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: he'll he'll admit that he didn't play up to his standard,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: you know, the standard the heat stats for himself. I
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: think he kind of got in his head a little bit.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: But the playoffs, down the stretch, down the stretch when
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: they needed them, and in the playoffs he might have
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: been he might have been defensive MVP, you know, in
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the playoffs and down the stretch of the regular season,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: nobody played any better than him. And I'm hearing all
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: kinds of defensive backs, former safety's, former defensive back on
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: these shows, you know, doing wrap ups of the Super
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Bowls and then the season in general. The playoffs all
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: raven about Justin Bates, you know, and how well he played.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: So M yeah, I think I think eventually, hopefully they
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: can get it done. But it wouldn't be surprised. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked to see him tagged. And you know,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you can always remove it to sign him and remove
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: it to allow him to become a free agent. But
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I think wouldn't shock me to see him tag at
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: some point here. Next question comes from Jake. What you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: can tackle this one? Who would be the number one
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: free agent you would sign if you were the GM.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: We can all take a run at this question. Who
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: would be your number one free agent of choice? That's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: a good one. I mean, I guess the kid from
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: the Orleans, but the left tackle from the Walleans. But
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be twenty million a year, so I don't know.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I thank him. I think I might go,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you know, give him the price. I don't think there's
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I think they're too best options are to
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: resign Hill and Hill and Ogan Joby, And if I
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: was gonna go, if I was going to get a
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: player in free agency, I might go like the Connor
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Williams route from Dallas. A strong you know, a good
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: interior player that doesn't break the bank, that you know
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: that's going to come in and play still young, you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: like twenty five until May, right right, you know, I
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: could you know Jank you know, uh, the center in Tampa.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Jensen is interesting, but he's gonna be thirty one years
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna be thirty one years old, right,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't know. Uh. I think
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I'd rather go with a nice you know, kind of
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: what they did last year. They got those guys in
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the second contracts, you know, fresh twenty five, twenty six.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: If you get a guide like that, like Williams, I
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: think that's what I do. All right, Lap, you've got
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the unlimited check book? Who are you signing? I'm limited
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: check book? An Armstead. I trought them all, but you
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: know I could see Connor Williams. The only thing about
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: him is helly at thirteen penalties. Last year, Dallas led
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the National Football League and penalties he had thirteen of them.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Man that's that's a that's a that's a penalty machine
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: right there. He's got to, you know, do a better
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: job with keeping his hands inside the framework of a body.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: And that's not the only thing. It wasn't just holding penalties.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: He had some pre snap issues and things of that nature.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: That so that one, you know, would be a little
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: bit of concern to me. But again, like you guys
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: are saying, he's in a price range that's reasonable. But
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a guy who's he's not his spring chicken anymore either.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: But this kid played at Anderson High School, he went
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: to Ohio State, and he was an undrafted player, going
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: to the National Football League to Carolina, made the Pro Bowl,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: made All Pro. Now he's finishing up with the Jaguars.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Andrew Norwell is a guy that I think would be
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: in a situation, boy, you come back, you know, like
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: the State of Ohio deal Joe Joel Burrow, Sam Hubbard,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Andrew Norwell. Bring another guy that played his height, you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Kevin Hubert. Another guy that played his high school in
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: college football here in the state of Ohio and let
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: him have his last contract here. He's he's a guy
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that could solidify, you know, helps solidify things inside. He
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: wouldn't cost a fortune. He got a big He got
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a huge deal going from Carolina to Jacksonville. He was
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the highest paid lineman you know if I think it
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: was five years, sixty six million bucks, something like that.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: But you're not going to get any kind of deal
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: like that now. I think it would be a reasonable
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: situation if he's still playing at a high enough level.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of a lot of
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: factors there. And I know, you know, my understanding is
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: his uh you know, his parents are a little bit
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: not in great health, and for him to be close
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: by would be a factor. But who knows, who knows
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: if all those things can be worked out, But that
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: that guy would be somebody that i'd uh, you know,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: i'd potentially target. And I don't I don't know if
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: uh you know, if dolls make sense. I do know
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: that he's got an agent that can be tough to
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: deal with. Through Rosenhouse, There's no no doubt about that.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: He can be difficult. Thing about Drew though, they'll make
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: a deal. They'll make a deal, you know. I kind
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of the thing about Rosenhouses. You know, he's tough, But
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: if he sees the fit. If he sees the fit
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: with Cincinnati and Nowell in the club, they'll make it happen.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: These other guys will, you know, they'll go on vacation,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: or they'll serve, or they'll he won't hear from him,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: but you know, Drew's working the phones. So my free
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: agent of choice is Brandon Schurf and hear me out here,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: hear me out here. So each of the last couple
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: of years, obviously the Bengals have spent a ton of
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: money in free agency, and they still, when possible, try
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: to find that guy who might be a little bit
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: less expensive, but they see something in that person that
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: they think, all right, we can get something out of
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: this guy that, for whatever reason and hasn't happened yet
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: should obey. A Woogier the perfect example of that. One
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: of the best corners in the NFL, and relatively speaking,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: they got him at a bargain basement price. But they've
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: also spent big on a guy each of the last
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: two years. They made Dj Reader the highest paid nose
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. When they got that deal done,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: they made Trey Hendrickson one of the highest paid edge
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: rusher's not at the very top of the scale, but
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: obviously making a ton of money. So for me, Brandon
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Shurf can be that guy this year. Now he's a guard,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: he's not a tackle, so he's not going to make
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year. He might make fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, something like that. But he's a five
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: time pro bowler, he's thirty years old, tremendous player. Let's
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: get one of the very best in the league into
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: the middle of that offensive line. And you know, I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: hate to take up a big chunk of my available
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: cap dollars on one guy, but if he can make
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: that much of a difference, I'm willing to I'm willing
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: to pay it. Now that people, you probably prevent you
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: from keeping both Ogan joeb By and b J. Hill.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: You probably have to pick one or the other or
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: moves like that. But that's that's where I'm feeling. As
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: of February the twenty third, I was gonna say he
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: didn't give up a sack last year. He didn't give
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: up one, So I mean, he's he's definitely the guy.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: But you're right, Dan, he's going to be He'll be
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: a you know, fifty million dollars a year fifty five
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: million dollars, not a year fifty five million dollar package,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: three years whatever. Yeah, and the one difference from this
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: year to those two other years when they paid a guy,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: the guy they've already paid is going to be Bates
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: at thirteen million if they tag him. Yeah, right, that
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: might be the chunk. Yep, all true, all true, but
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: a man can dream, all right. Our next question. Our
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: next question comes from Greg. I'll send this one a
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: you Lap. Would you trade the angles number one draft
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  Speaker 1: pick this year for Laramie Tunsil of the Texans? There
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: would there would be uh, I'd be I'd be intrigued potentially,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: But you know, because it's it's obviously the thirty first
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: pick in the in the in the first round, I
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: wonder if they would accept the trade. It would probably
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: take more than that, quite honestly, that's what I'm thinking.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure that I would. That's basically
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: a high two, you know, late one, high two or whatever.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I mean. I think I think you'd have to sweeten
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: the pot a little bit. I mean, if if we're
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: just that, i'd you know, i'd have to be that'd
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: be pretty tempting to do. Yeah, but I just I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: don't see that. Uh. You know, a trade has to
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: satisfy both parties, and I'm not sure that that would necessarily.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I think he makes you know, I think he makes
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: eighteen milk for two more years. Yeah, so you give
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: him eighteen milk per year. I mean it's like eighteen
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: milk per year, right, correct? Yeah? I mean so now
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: you're now you're knocking yourself out of Ogan Jovian Maybe Hill,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, twenty seven years old, two time
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: pro bowler, one of the best at his position. I
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: think if if they only wanted the thirty first pick
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: in the draft, I would do it, even despite the money.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: But I would think the Texans would want more than that.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: They paid a lot more to get up than that,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: so that's probably unlikely. All right, Let's get in a
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: couple more questions and then I'll let you go. Next
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: question comes from Raymond. Send this one you're way butch
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: forty eight seconds to go third down? And one why
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: not mixing? Probably asking the wrong guy, Raymond, did you
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: say did you send that in under the name Raymond?
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I can only you know what's your middle names?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Everybody does not love Raymond. But I think, but I
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I think third and one, you know, I think you
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: just have to go by what Zach said. I mean,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, he said he was faced with putting mixing
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: in the game. He didn't want to really screw with
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the package, the two minute drill, and you know, I mean, yeah,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: if it's me, I'm I'm you know, you know, you
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: know me, I'm I'm I got Borrow Wonders Center giving
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: it to mixing, and if not, on fourth one, I
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: got Borrow Wonders Center sneaking it. But you know, again,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Zach had his reasons. He was in a two minute mode.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: He's trying to score, he's trying to win the game,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: he's trying to win the Super Bowl. I can't fault
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: him by saying, Okay, I'm gonna stick with us. You know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I think what they thought and in the reason he sound,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I think they thought with p right in the game,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: they're thinking they're not going to run, right, and they didn't.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: You know, they didn't. It didn't happen. So I think
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: that's I think that's the answer. They they figured they
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: weren't going to run in that look, and they tried
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: to run well. And I'll say as a former alignment that, um,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be happy with what I did at the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I'm not sure Jerry Brown with a
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: running back would have been a first down. I mean,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you've got to get a little bit better movement and
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: finish the block a little bit better than than took place.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: You know, So I don't know. Um. You know, like
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I say, I'm not gonna second guess the guy. The
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: guy got him. You know, I'm not gonna second guess
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Zack because he got him into the super Bowl. So
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: who am I? You know, that's just what I would
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: have done, But I you know, who knows. Maybe you know,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: like Lap said, maybe maybe mix and would have get
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: stopped too. You don't know, all right. Our final question
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: comes from Tyler. This is for you Lap. Tyler's question is,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: please tell me that Lap is coming back next year.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Not to play. No, no, not to play. How much
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: do you want? I would just request that you two
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: guys speak at my funeral because if I came back,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: it would be a quick death. So uh yeah, no.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: My plan is to definitely uh join the Hall of
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Famer in the UH the four time Ohio broadcast of
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: the year being Hoard in the Booth. That's your lap.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: That's the best news I've heard all Day's exactly. My
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: day is made. My day is made, Fellas. This was fun.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Really appreciate your time. Look forward to doing more of
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: these as the as the months go on, before we
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: get back to training camp and can do it in person. Hey, Raymond,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: quit writing in Well, that's going to do it for
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