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SPOIL ALERT* Are You Not Entertained Though?!? ( Netflix Top Model Documentary breakdown) · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I'm a homegrown that knows a little bit about everything
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you don't lie about that, right, Lauren
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  Speaker 3: Hey, y'all, what's up.
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  Speaker 1: It's Lauren Rosa and this is the latest with Lauren Rosa.
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  Speaker 1: This is your deadly dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news,
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  Speaker 1: and all of the conversations that shake the room. Baby,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in here looking like a little boy today. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so comfortable though. I just wonder where my trucker had
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I need to swag it.
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  Speaker 3: Taylor made it okay.
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  Speaker 1: So checking in behind the scenes of the ground. I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to get to the conversation. So the check in,
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  Speaker 1: shall we brief? So checking it behind the scenes of
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  Speaker 1: the grind. How would your Valentine's say.
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  Speaker 3: You guys wark with me?
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  Speaker 2: My VALENTI was really good. We went to the steakhouse
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  Speaker 2: I cannot remember the name, but it's a steakhouse in
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  Speaker 2: Jersey or New York, l New York, Okay Kyo or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. And the food was so good. And
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  Speaker 2: you know why it's good because we didn't feel any
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  Speaker 2: items afterwards, like we felt still energized with all that meat, and.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have to put steak sauce on the stick?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good steak. That's a good steak right there.
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  Speaker 1: We gotta put no stick sauce on it. I'm supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be laying off of red meat. That was my
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  Speaker 1: first thing I was supposed to be doing. And then
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  Speaker 1: now I just challenged myself to thirty days with no
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  Speaker 1: juice and no soda, supposed to be just water for
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  Speaker 1: thirty days because I want to see, like if it
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  Speaker 1: helps me not be tired. No, it really does. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm tired right now. I'm tired right now. But Valentine,
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  Speaker 1: My Valentine's Day was good. I had to reroute or
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  Speaker 1: we had to reroute our plans, and we stayed close
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  Speaker 1: to Delaware because my mom got sick, so I just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I was close to the home
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  Speaker 1: for her. But it was good though, I think so
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  Speaker 1: Friday it was like rush home, figure out everything with mom.
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  Speaker 1: Saturday we went to Baltimore. We went to the New
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  Speaker 1: Audition concert. It's New Audition, Boyce to Men and Tony
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  Speaker 1: Braxton the like on every time I go to concerts,
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  Speaker 1: with people from like a certain era. I always feel like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've be telling me, like you made me
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  Speaker 1: feel like I'm not doing nothing when I watch them perform,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not a singer or anything like that. When
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  Speaker 1: I watch them perform though, especially at this age, and
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  Speaker 1: like just the effort and the showmanship that they put
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  Speaker 1: into it, I'm like, yo, I'm lazy.
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  Speaker 3: I am lazy.
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  Speaker 1: Like, how dare I wake up the morning of and
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  Speaker 1: do my notes for the show or decide on my
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  Speaker 1: way to the podcast what we're going to talk about?
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  Speaker 3: Like you them pairing your.
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  Speaker 2: Work network gets crazy?
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  Speaker 3: They are the great.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be one of the great, like I
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  Speaker 1: want yo, Like I promise you this. It was full,
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  Speaker 1: like we were at the It was an arena. It
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  Speaker 1: was full, and everybody was like up and dancing and
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  Speaker 1: single all of the songs. Bobby Brown came out. I
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  Speaker 1: was so excited. I kept saying, I love you bye, babe.
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  Speaker 1: But Bobby Brown came out, and I was so excited.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the celebrity of them, it's so big. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like that when it came to the Breakfast Club too,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I can't believe this is new addition
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  Speaker 1: and voice of men sitting right here in front of me,
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  Speaker 1: but seeing the crowd react to their songs, but just
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  Speaker 1: really react to them like they're just I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: they're just so good at what they do.
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  Speaker 2: Any No songs back then were something that I feel
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  Speaker 2: bad for this New Journey should come out. That's missing it, Like.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know what real songs and real vocals are,
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  Speaker 2: for real, for.
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  Speaker 1: Real, even listening we were listening to the music on
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  Speaker 1: the way to the concert and like just listening because
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  Speaker 1: some of the songs were so old, they were so young,
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  Speaker 1: so their voices sound so different, and we were listening
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  Speaker 1: to it and we were like, yo, they've been doing
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  Speaker 1: this for so long successfully, Like listen to their voices,
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  Speaker 1: they sound like babies. And then to see them on stage,
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  Speaker 1: and not only are they on stage, but they do
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  Speaker 1: outfit changes like they look like a Everything is quality.
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  Speaker 1: The look, the fabrics, I mean, the lighting is hitting
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  Speaker 1: the certain jackets, even their placement was on point. They're
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  Speaker 1: doing the dances like I felt like I was literally
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  Speaker 1: watching the New Edition movie. And then when Tony Braxton
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  Speaker 1: came on stage, I was like, this is not real.
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  Speaker 1: Like she is not a real person. She sounds just
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  Speaker 1: like she sounds when you press play on like Apple's Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was. I love boys to men.
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  Speaker 1: They looked amazing too, like same thing, ensemble together, they
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  Speaker 1: look amazing. I just wish I could hear them. I
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  Speaker 1: was really looking forward because I think when you think
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  Speaker 1: about boys to men, you think about harmony. I was
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to hearing them tear it down go a
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  Speaker 1: cappella at some points and were they first No, So well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I missed the very very opening because we went to
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  Speaker 1: the front entrance and then we had to go back
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  Speaker 1: around the side to meet the.
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  Speaker 3: Girl from the Black Promoter's Collective.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Black Promoters Collective who it was so
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  Speaker 1: last minute us figuring out going to this tour, just
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  Speaker 1: because I had to be home with my mom, and
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  Speaker 1: they figured it out, like so they came and grabbed
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  Speaker 1: us from like the side entrance. When we came in,
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  Speaker 1: I saw Birdman and that I mean, that's it's like
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  Speaker 1: all these legends just like in here, just chilling. So
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  Speaker 1: it's Birdman and then he's walking it's like a hood
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  Speaker 1: on full gray Beard.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like yes, and he could grow a beard.
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  Speaker 1: It threw me off It threw me off guard too,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know, like, just to see them aging
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  Speaker 1: when you've always known them to they're kind of like
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  Speaker 1: fairy tale characters to me, like Birdman and master P
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  Speaker 1: and new addition, Bobby Brown Boys, the Men, Tony Braxton,
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  Speaker 1: like these are all people that are timeless to me
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  Speaker 1: because of the big iconic careers that they've had across
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  Speaker 1: various genres of music or whatever. But yeah, we were
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  Speaker 1: literally walking in and he walked by. He had his
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  Speaker 1: hood on, but I saw the gray beard and he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he always has the glasses on.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, is that Berdman?
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  Speaker 1: And the girl that was walking us in from the
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  Speaker 1: Black Promoter's Collective, she like laughed a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: She was like, yeah, that's him. I'm like, oh like it.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't get it wasn't even like a starstruck.
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  Speaker 1: It just was like y'all just all in here, chilling,
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  Speaker 1: like y'all got all of this iconism in.
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  Speaker 3: Here, just chilling like this. Like so yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: just good to see.
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  Speaker 1: But it was so good to see them and show
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  Speaker 1: It just makes you want I mean, it made me
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  Speaker 1: untightened up. I'm like, Okay, I gotta care about my presentation,
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  Speaker 1: not just my physical presentation, but the presentation.
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  Speaker 3: Of my work.
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  Speaker 1: Because you could tell even with Boys the Men, even
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  Speaker 1: though I wish I could hear them better, and I
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  Speaker 1: wish that it's weird because like you could hear them singing.
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  Speaker 1: I have a clip we'll play. You could hear them singing.
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  Speaker 1: But it just wasn't the live performance I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna get from Bois Men.
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  Speaker 3: I can't describe it, but I get you're saying, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I would give it another shot, but I want I
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  Speaker 1: go there listening to their like music and preparation, and
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  Speaker 1: then when you hear them, the track is louder than
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  Speaker 1: they are in my opinion, So that was my only critique.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know, like just the way that they
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  Speaker 1: are about their craft and how they present it, and
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  Speaker 1: you can tell, yo, you could tell them boys be practicing,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean the dance steps is on point.
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  Speaker 1: Even Bobby Brown, like I know that there's a video
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  Speaker 1: going viral of him talking about like he don't dance,
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  Speaker 1: and I do have that clip he did that moment
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  Speaker 1: in the show. But even Bobby Brown, like he has
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  Speaker 1: like a solo some solo parts because he comes on
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  Speaker 1: stage and then goes off stage. And I'm not mad
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  Speaker 1: at him for knowing when it's time for him to
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  Speaker 1: take a chill pill.
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  Speaker 3: Not mad at him at all, because we want our
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  Speaker 3: legend here.
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  Speaker 1: We wouldn't want him working and you know, burn hisself
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  Speaker 1: out all of them, to be honest with you, But
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  Speaker 1: when they were like doing their like ensemble dances, and
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  Speaker 1: like say, for instance, if Bobby Brown was in the front,
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  Speaker 1: he would just look back real quick and then get
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  Speaker 1: in lockstep with them with the dances, and then they
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  Speaker 1: would switch and maybe Bobby would go like off to
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  Speaker 1: the back to the side, and then another member of
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  Speaker 1: New Audition would come up.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was just good. It was a show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna see them next month, so you're.
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  Speaker 3: Going to love New Edition, Like I'm pro. Everybody was great.
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  Speaker 1: I love Tony, I love boys submit, but a new
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  Speaker 1: addition made me feel like it was a hug. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe because I thought about the movie or something,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know. They just made me feel like
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  Speaker 1: it was like I was literally being hugged by like
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  Speaker 1: my grandma or like my mom or something. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I was being hugged by my men because it was
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  Speaker 1: Valentine's Day and it was it was great. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we went out to eat afterwards. We went to a
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  Speaker 1: spot called Angie's Seafood. Actually went there twice. I had
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  Speaker 1: such good crabs. The night after the concert, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: can we go back before we leave? So we did
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  Speaker 1: that and then we dipped. So it was It was
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  Speaker 1: a great time, and I got the Sea family unexpectedly
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  Speaker 1: this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but you know what else happened this weekend?
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  Speaker 2: The Top Model documentary Girl. Oh wait, wait, let's take
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  Speaker 2: a commercial break and then let's get back into it.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta pause me a little bit when I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about that, because Okay, so I'm a huge Top Model fan.
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  Speaker 1: I auditioned for Top Model probably like six times, like
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  Speaker 1: one to be on the show. I just knew that
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  Speaker 1: Tyra Banks and s'mising was gonna be my claim to everything.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, that's how y'all was gonna meet me. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not even gonna lie.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be on America's X
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  Speaker 1: Time Model. The last year I auditioned was twenty ten,
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  Speaker 1: which was the year that I went to college, and
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  Speaker 1: I made it to I got like one callback.
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  Speaker 3: I made it to like the they called.
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  Speaker 1: You back and you're in this room for the models
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  Speaker 1: in New York and they ain't never called me back
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  Speaker 1: again after that.
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  Speaker 3: But that was the furthest I made it. What's the
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  Speaker 3: audition though?
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  Speaker 2: You have to walk?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you come in, you walk, so there's like
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  Speaker 1: a huge audition and I have like photos, wait.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, I think I'm gonna post that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I have photos my cousin from one year I went.
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  Speaker 3: I think this, how many how many time did you audition?
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  Speaker 1: I auditioned a good like I used to, so every
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  Speaker 1: year from the time I turned it, cause I think
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  Speaker 1: you had to be eighteen to go by yourself. So
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  Speaker 1: from the time I could go by myself up until
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  Speaker 1: my freshman year of college, I auditioned every time they
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  Speaker 1: had an audition, so it probably was like five or
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  Speaker 1: six times. I was so serious about getting on that
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  Speaker 1: show because I thought getting on Top Model would be
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  Speaker 1: like a platform and then like once I got on,
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  Speaker 1: I could like figure everything else out because I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to model, I wanted to act, I wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: the talk show things. So I was like, I'll get
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  Speaker 1: on there, you know, Tyren's a megastar, will figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: Met somebody who was like, you know, working with the
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  Speaker 1: team in another instance, not at the audition, and she
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  Speaker 1: changed the trajectory in my life. I text her last
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  Speaker 1: night and said thank you, Like God knew I needed
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  Speaker 1: to meet you. You literally saved my life. Kind of
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  Speaker 1: maybe not that I think, you know anything would have
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  Speaker 1: happened to me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what my experience on the Shade would have been.
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  Speaker 1: But she was When I met her and told her, like,
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  Speaker 1: you need to cast me for Top Model, she was like.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't. And I'm like, yes, you do. Why
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  Speaker 3: are you telling me that?
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  Speaker 1: And she was like, if you really want to be
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  Speaker 1: in this industry, let's talk about what you want to do.
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  Speaker 1: You don't need this. This does not need to be
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  Speaker 1: your entry. And I was like what. But watching the show,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Because Eva has had a
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  Speaker 1: great career to car we talked about we talked to
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  Speaker 1: to Carr here on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We did research before the show, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the girls seemed to have some success.
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  Speaker 1: They're still doing things that are modeling, like right, like
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  Speaker 1: whether they're like teaching classes or modeling themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll say the winners. I don't know about everyone
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  Speaker 2: that was actually.
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  Speaker 3: On this see but Takara didn't win her season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that season in general was what
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  Speaker 2: season was that season three six? I don't remember, but
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that season stuff because they that's when
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  Speaker 2: they had Eva, ya Ya Takara, and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it was just.
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  Speaker 1: I've reached out to ya Ya. I've reached out to Takara.
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  Speaker 1: We had her on the podcast Go checked out that episode.
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  Speaker 1: We did an interview with her prior to the documentary dropping,
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  Speaker 1: and I told her I was going to circle back
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  Speaker 1: once it came out.
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  Speaker 3: Did circle back behalf and her back?
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  Speaker 1: I also reached out to Eva's team, and I reached
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  Speaker 1: out to ya Ya's team as well.
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  Speaker 3: Bree was on the documentary. She was another one of
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  Speaker 3: my favorites.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wanted to hear from like, uh the
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  Speaker 2: girl Jade. I wanted to hear definitely from Tiffany.
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  Speaker 1: The Girl No Baby, I don't think we had enough
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  Speaker 1: time to hear from Tiffany. Tiffany is currently online right
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  Speaker 1: now airing The Girls Out. I want to read for
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  Speaker 1: you hearing the Girls out Aaron Tyra Bank.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's say liked.
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  Speaker 1: So for those of you guys who do not remember
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  Speaker 1: Tiffany or her season of Top Model, might remember from
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  Speaker 1: this clip. Yes, from this moment undeniably one of the
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  Speaker 1: biggest moments in Top Model history.
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  Speaker 3: And they were very honest about that in uh.
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  Speaker 1: The documentary itself, just talking about how big this moment was,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, Tyra got vulnerable as heck, but it
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  Speaker 1: was a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of that's on.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only time I felt like she was vulnerable
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  Speaker 2: during the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like Tyra was vulnerable throughout the Top Model
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  Speaker 1: seasons when she would be fighting.
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  Speaker 2: For like the documentary. In the documentary, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think she was vulnerable, tyber Banks, you don't think she
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  Speaker 2: was vulnerable. I feel like she was one of those
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  Speaker 2: things where it was just like she was talking about it,
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  Speaker 2: but she didn't have any empathy.
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  Speaker 3: We're sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think she not necessarily weren't sorry, but just
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of just like, yeah, I said that,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean the producers were like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it was just like it wasn't her taking accountability of it,
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  Speaker 2: and it's and I think Jess felt the same way.
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  Speaker 1: Just hilarious because when I mentioned earlier on the Breakfast Club,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this there too. I was like, Tyber
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  Speaker 1: was taking accountability bit. She was like really, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what a little bit? I just think so
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  Speaker 1: the name of the documentary, go ahead. The name of
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  Speaker 1: the documentary is Reality Check Inside America's Next Top Model.
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  Speaker 1: So it's three episodes. So the first episode is on Top.
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  Speaker 1: How do you know you want to be on Top?
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  Speaker 1: I still remember the theme song TV so good?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, TV used to be so good.
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  Speaker 1: Like the fact that I remember the theme song, I
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  Speaker 1: remember like sitting and watching upn No. Because watching this
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  Speaker 1: documentary really makes you whether you were a Top Model
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  Speaker 1: fan or not. I think it reminds you of an
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  Speaker 1: era where like reality TV and storytelling was in a
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  Speaker 1: whole different place.
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  Speaker 3: A completely different place.
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  Speaker 1: The second episode is called still in the Running, which
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  Speaker 1: is what Tyra would say at the end of each
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  Speaker 1: episode when she would like be voting some of the
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  Speaker 1: models off based on who did well on the photo
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  Speaker 1: shoot challenges, She'd be like, still in the running, and
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  Speaker 1: that means that you weren't being voted off and in
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  Speaker 1: rooting for you that goes back to the moment with
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  Speaker 1: the model of Tiffany that we were talking about. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so Top Model early two thousand show dominated the airwaves
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  Speaker 1: and now this documentary jobs in what Taylor was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to Tyra and accountability, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people for a very long time have always criticized Tyra
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  Speaker 1: Banks for some of the decisions she made as the
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  Speaker 1: EP and one of the creators of America's Next Top Model,
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  Speaker 1: everything from you know, the things that she allowed the
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  Speaker 1: women to en were when it came to like there
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: were you know, we talked it to Car here on
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Make sure y'all check that episode out about
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: an incident where you know, her weight came into question.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: They were.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: And they were literally like grabbing at her waist and
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: didn't have clothes for her. And then you know, we
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: got to hear from one of the girls and I
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: believe it was episode one. Was it episode one where
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: we talked about, I don't know, we got to hear
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: from Brie. Not Brie, We got there from Danny.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Danny who you know, there was a whole the black
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: the black girl had to get her gap closed up,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: but then the white girl came in there.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Like this and she this will.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: That's what bothered me about it because in that moment,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Tyra was like.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: She blamed. Yeah, she panted that she goes.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I mean they were told me one air like she
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: would never make it, so you know, I just went
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: with it. But it's like, Terry, you're going against what
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: you were trying to.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Do with the show.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing I think for Tyra Banks to be,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: you know, iconic, right, she's a icon supermodel. I saw
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: somebody saying threads, Tyra Banks was never on top because
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have as many Vogue covers as like a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Naoma Campbell, And I'm like, girl, do you understand how
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: hard it was for a black supermodel period.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Let's not count volt covers movies.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Tyra Banks was one of the biggest models in the
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: world and one of the.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Not even just black models.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: She was one of the biggest models in the world,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: biggest Black models in the world, right. But her thing
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: was the fact that they called her plusize and she
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: was a black woman. So for you to come in
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: this and there are some episodes that they showed throughout
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: this where she's like fighting back, you know her and
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Jane and Dickinson used to get into it over like
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: the weight conversation and Jane is telling the girls to
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: lose weight. In Tarbra, it's like, you know, but then
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: you have things like she's calling you know, there's one
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: model that was a seasons early on and they called
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: her ashy and talked about how rough her skin.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Was, and and the girl they were talking about, Ebony.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what they were talking about.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Her skin looks smooth.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: But that was the thing. I think. I think what
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: it was was that you have.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It goes back to what you said about Tyra not
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: sticking to what she the purpose in some of it,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: but I think some of it she had to do
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: for the plot that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Because that's the thing that's the problem.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that girl, Ebony's skin was flawless, she was beautiful.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: That is why Tyra chose her.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: We could all look at Ebony and see what Tyra
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: was trying to do with Ebone as a model, right,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: And then when they shave her hair and they're talking
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: about the texture of her hair.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Look at who's shaving her hair. They don't look like us.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And then you're talking about the retouching and how the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: photos aren't coming out correctly. But that has always been
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a thing in the industry of like not only like
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: makeup shades and stuff like that not matching, but like
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: who's your art department, who's shooting the girls, who's lighting them?
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Do they understand our skin? Do they understand our tones?
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: And and I think you know she felt through to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the wayside and with Ebonie when they talked about the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: fact that she was a lesbian. Oh yeah, and she
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: was like, she didn't have a chance to. You could
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: never do that today. You could never like basically put
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a person in a position where they have to out
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: themselves in order to participate in something.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I thought I heard it wrong. I thought she was
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: like she didn't care.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So they knew she put it on her application, But
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: she said a lot of her family in the world,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: her the world, like that was her car. Her calling
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: card was She's a lesbian black girl, you know what
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I mean. But then she said her family for the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: most part found out from the show, and she was
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: saying that she wished that they had kind of given
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: her the option to build out her story a little
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: bit more before leaning into like, oh, you're gay and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of because a lot of the women in
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the house weren't comfortable with they had, like the super
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: white Christian girls who were like, oh my god, you're gay.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: What the hell ain't you black? And I do understand.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a show at the end of the days.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing too when it comes to that thing.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Also entertainment wise, in this business, I do feel like
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Tyra got too did to like, oh, this is gonna
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: be great for the show, regardless of what it was like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: and that's why the challenges were so kind of crazy
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: But I think if I'm and I'm not defending Tyra, right, don't.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel either way. It's like
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I understand people's upset, but I also understand the industry
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: at the time. I you know, as a person that,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: like I told y'all like modeling, I thought that was
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: going to be the thing that I was doing. The
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: only reason I ended up over here on the entertainment
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: side is because in the couture space, which is what
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: she was grumin these girls for, I was literally told, girl,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you have too much personality. You are darker skinned in
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: your boobs, are big in your lips are big.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Where are you going? What couature, runaway or magazine is
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: ever going to have you.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that means.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: That means that I'm not white and coke thin. That
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: was the industry standard for a very long time. So
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I think you know she and not just the fact
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that she focused on bringing black women in, because she
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: was bringing in girls of white, black, yellow, and different
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: who all had something to get over, whether it was weight,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: whether it was self confidence, whether it was there like
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: their their religious backgrounds which would prevent them from work,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: like different things that would prevent them from working.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Because there was so.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Much to be up against, and that was Tyra's story,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So I understand what she was trying to do. I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: just think there's no way Tyra is never not going
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to be the villain in the America's except Model story
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: because she did what she had to do to produce
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a television show.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And I was telling you that earlier. I was like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day too, so many people
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: that's outraged. You still was watching the show, though, so
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: how outrage I know I was side like, I don't remember,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not really outraged.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Now, none of that average nothing surprised me.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I do think looking back though, it was the first
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: time where I felt like an adult.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, shoot, looking back, that was crazy.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: You're not like older people say that to you, like
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: many our day would do this and our day that
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I felt like, shoot, that was my day and I
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: didn't even know.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know. The shower stuff with Shandy.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was a girl from US Cycle two,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: season two who did so it's being labeled as a
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: sexual assault, but during the time the episode aired as
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: if she had just gotten too drunk, gotten a shower
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: with a guy, had sex, and she did on her boyfriend.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But she had said, you know, she says that she
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: had communicated that she was not coherent enough to make
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: certain decisions, and you know, all of that. But even if, right, like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: even if the words sexual assault were not being thrown
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: around or being brought up with Shandy's episode, I still
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: think it's crazy to record some of the.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Stuff that they were recording. And I don't know if
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I thought it was crazy then, because that's the start
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: telling you, like, because reality TV, that wasn't the first time. Yeah,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: that and maybe That's why I was like, Okay, sure.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I think we just had different limits. Like I was
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: surprised that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: The girls weren't able to keep the photos.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: That they shot during the show. I'm not surprised because
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I know when you do shows like that, like they
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: want everything and they want to own everything.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It sucks because then how they're gonna present themselves to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: other issues of the seas.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much you are able
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to like use almost like not licensed, because I'm sure
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: they didn't have to pay for it, but I'm sure
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that there were some stipulations in there of like you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: can use things in certain ways, so like to present
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: when you're going to go seas to agencies. Go seats
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: are like auditions to agencies, but like for them to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: take and potentially publish or do anything monetary to make
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: money off of it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Heck no, well no, I was.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I would think they're just using it to show their headshot,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: like just certainly.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't know they weren't allowed to do that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised, and that's I think when it comes
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: to that documentary. I was more surprised with certain things
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: then versus like.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Shop like like like outraged.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the gap thing took me. I didn't cause
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch the other seasons after I knew about
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the gap thing, I didn't know, and I was always
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: confused because I felt like Danny was so pretty with
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: her gap.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I felt like the gap.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's pretty without it or with it a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: little bit more closed. But I felt like her gap
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it gave her personality to her face, and I thought
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I always thought that mattered we're driving for afterwards. That's supid.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: But also the ultimatums that Tyra gave on the show
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: is not okay though, because she was like basically saying,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: if you don't get it closed and you're leaving, that's it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: But like the industry, the industry is that it's like crazy,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you hear you ready or you're not? So Tiffany uh,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And Tiffany is the model who got into it with Tyra,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: where Tyra was the whole.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I'm rooting, we were all rooting for you. I was
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: rooting for you, we were loading for you.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: So she posted and listen when Tyra let her go
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: from that season, I knew, I'm like, I wasn't mad
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: at Tyra for that I'm like, she not ready, Like
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: she's not in a position where she's really ready to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: do this, Like all you gotta do is read something
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: on a teleprompter.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but what I want why I step upsode over again?
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Because what was something else was going on with.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe there was something that was going on at the time.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the actual full episode. I just saw
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: it in the flashback on the documentary, but.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I felt like she wasn't in a space to like again,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: It's like it's now or never, like what you're gonna do? So,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Tiffany posted in response to the documentary, she said, hold up,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Tyra Banks, let's keep it cute. You are one lion,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: as tired as b You know how you treated me
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the whole time off and on camera. You were a bully.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You treated me like she's a lot of cousins there.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: You treated me like shi t and said the nastiest
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: things about me and my son. That is not how
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: argument went, but y'all edited it like to make it
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: look like you cared.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Also, f the Shade Room, I don't know what they did.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: If you're weird fans and fu Tyra Banks, I bet
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you won't sit down me face to face and talk
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: about it. Also, if my family too, Oh she's mad
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: at her family too. Y'all don't ever defend me. I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: got more money and helping more people than all are
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: many of the Top models. But that's the update y'all give.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: That's a dang Shane, it's giving y'all still hating on
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: little black ass me. Then she tagged Tyra Banks again.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: She called tyber Banks to hope. She said, just let
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: it go. It's been over twenty years.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: So she's basically saying, if all the things that y'all.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Could be talking about that I got going on right now,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: why is that what y'all give the update on? But
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, if she was in the dock,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the other girls got to talk about so but you
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: gotta talk about your storyline, and that was her storyline,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like you and the girl who left, They try to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: get you help from what they've seen, from what they
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: said allegedly, like they talked about anger management all that,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and then she came back on the show and it
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: didn't work out. Still, and in that moment, that moment
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: is one of the biggest moments from Top Model.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: She crazy y'all had a nonprofit. We were all rooting
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: That was probably humiliating for her though, Like so she's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: trying to not thinking positive to make it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: But my thing is, how is it humiliating for you?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: They gave you another chance?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about that moment that like, I'm sure
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: people will get help in her face, like we were reading.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: For you, and then I feel like, girl, Tyra got
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: so hood. You don't know my life, you don't know
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: what I've been through. I'm like, girl will tell us.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm actually surprised.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like, low key they edited some stuff out
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of because I'm surprised she didn't say nothing back they had.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Of course, they actually had to bring an attorneys to
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: set the next day.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Yo.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you only bringing attorneys where there are some things
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that said, were you you try and protect your talent?
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: So definitely things were edited one hundred percent.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised, honestly that Jance Dickinson didn't get more backlash
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: like she's doing.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: She was just diary.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: She was miserable, yes, and I think a lot of
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: what she did was how she felt. But I think
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: there were parts of it that was just for the plot,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: like she loved to take Tyra Banks off.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: That shit was crazy to me how she acted, but
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But I think the documentary did a good I think
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the documentary was very fair in showing their dynamics, So
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the dynamic between Tyra and Janets, the dynamic between Miss
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: j and j Manuel and Nigel and Tyra Banks, and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: their dynamic without Tyra Banks as well too, and and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is because I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: feel like every time I've ever watched anything or watched
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the interview where like read anything that has to do
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: with Nigel who was the photographer, Miss Jay who was
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the runway coach you also judge, and then Jay Alexander
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: who would do like kind of like their creative direction
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and helped you know, the models on set.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: It always talked about.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Them in a way where they were just kind of
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: like Cyrus, like Cyrus Tyra's like sidekicks in a way.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think this documentary did a really good job of
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: showing their own aspirations, why they came into it, and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that these people had lives and work before Typer Binks,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like j Manuel was very successful at the point that he,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you know, was that's how we even knew Typer pinks,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: So was Miss j so was Nigel you.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Know how uh j Emanuel?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his face card is ridiculous, yo, still and I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: don't know where it's like. I feel like he got
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: like a like a like it's like a VIP limited
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: version of botox that don't nobody else get. But because
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he don't even look, he don't don't look. You know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: he did something to keep it that. Yeah, it's so
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: sharp and like, but they don't look over overdone.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm saying.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Like he just looks so soft and so like glowy
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: injury the chance, like, let me know. So I do
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: want to get into everything we found out about it's
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Jay and the stroke that he suffered that has now
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: left him paralyzed. But let's take a break and then
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: we'll come back and get into it. So one of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the final moments of the docuseries is a moment where
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: we find out some breaking news exclusively. So miss Jay,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: who is runway coach extraordinary Tyra Banks. Literally he's helped
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Tyra Banks learn how to walk on the runway when
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: she was in her prime. We found out that he
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: no longer can walk after suffering a major stroke. This
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: was so sad they opened it because the whole time
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: throughout the docuseries, Miss Jay is sitting down, So you
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: don't know, and I could tell. I mean, some of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the news had broke prior to me watching it, But
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: just in how he was talking, it wasn't the same
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: how he would talk on the show. It wasn't as sharp,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you know, some sentences and some words were more drawn out,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: which happens with stroke, Like you know, it can affect
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: your speech and things as well. But when he opened
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: up the scene where he's showing us the room that
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: he's been that he was staying in for some time,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and it's like a hospital bed in the room, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, because Miss j was always
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: so full of life. Yeah, in a coma and waking
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: up and not even knowing where he was or like
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: what happened. Miss j was so full of life. It
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: still is, you know, still is full of life. But
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I just can't imagine Miss Jay, you know, the vulgar,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the runway, like everything in the scene, and like just.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I for anyone.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Who I mean, you you didn't model, but you understand
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: But for us as models. Miss j was like, that's mother.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: She is on the listen up and down the runway, baby,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: giving it to you how it need to be served
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: up and the line where Miss Jay says I used
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to teach the models how to walk and on I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: can't even walk. I'm like, man, life hits you so hard.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Good people too, Good people get hit with the craziest things.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And the entireginy in one of his.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: That made me sig eye her. That made her because
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like when you man, when your people down
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: for you, they down for you, right. Like they rolled
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: with her through so much that show was new. Imagine
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: how much she had to figure out on the fly,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and they figured it out together.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And he's now in a position where like.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: He's physically disabled and going through so much and you
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: haven't even like, not even a FaceTime, he says.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: She text them.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm like, man, he's crazy situation where her and
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Jane Manuel like, cause you did you see on his
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: instagram he it seems like he was doing shade to
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: her too.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Oh he's been this shade between Like I knew that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: there were things between them, I just don't know if
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I knew how bad, like like what it was, you
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Like, but I knew we only heard in the documentary.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: You only hear one side of the story. And there's
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: no shame to j Manuel.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Sorry friend, but.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Because she was saying that he wanted to, you know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: pivot his career, and when he told Tyra that, she
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: just goes back and says, I'm disappointed.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but okay, So here's sorry that came up again.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: But here's here's my thing about the whole, like Tyra
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and how she handled him once he told her that
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to work there anymore or work with
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: her anymore. Right, I understand as a person and as
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the person I am, I would never in something that
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: way unless there was like a really like to me,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: there was no real reason for her to do that.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: They there weren't arguments, They didn't dislike each other.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was weird that he emailed her.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Why aren't you just tell.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I think it had gotten to a point where they
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: were growing apart. Things were happening. He was becoming his
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: own star, his own name, his own celebrity, you know
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: what I mean? But still, you know, I don't I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: just if it were me, I just wouldn't want things
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to end that way and would have done everything I
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: could to not make it in that way. But it
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: seemed like it got to a point where for the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: both of them where business is business, and he did
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: what he needed to do to keep himself on this
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: show for as long as he needed to until he
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: decided to step off and pivot, and she did what
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: she needed to do to protect herself because at that point,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: when you were telling me you want to leave the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: show that I created, We're not friends anymore. Now I'm
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: your boss and HR has to deal with you.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Leaving the show. It was very clear she didn't produce it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: It was so clear.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like if she had produced it, there would
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: have been a lot more not added in.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: It was so clear to me that she didn't.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: That's why I was so surprised that she was so involved,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: because you could tell she didn't have creative control because
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff, I'm like, girl, you look crazy
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: as hell right now talking about season cycle twenty five.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: So there's things even when in the opening episode when
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tyra pitching this show, when it you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: people were not running to do reality.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I wonder how Tire's gonna do Cycle twenty five.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think Cycle twenty five is gonna be successful.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I think the girls nowadays are gonna be too soft.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: They're gonna need in this. Again, I'm totally here for
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: people being in tune with themselves, but you're gonna need
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: therapists onside.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: You're gonna need mental health days and mental health.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Breaks, especially agg you can't say certain words, and like,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I just don't think.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: It will work.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Not it can work, and we'll watch it, but I
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: don't know if it'll be as great because we tuned
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: in for a certain level of like, oh shoot, they
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: really doing it. It's gonna be like the Impact or
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: what's in the white world. That's like where like they
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: just grab a bunch of social media starts to put
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: them all together in the house. Uh yeah, so like
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the high House for the white people that listen, for
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the black people that listen. If you've ever watched Impact
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Atlanta or Impact New York where they grab all of
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the social the biggest people on social media and put
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: them in the house, I think they'll do that. Like
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that'll be because she was already kind of leaning into
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: like that in the later seasons. I think this time
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: around it'll be she grabs the biggest girls, Yeah, the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: biggest girls from Instagram, and then you're gonna have a
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: few girls sprinkled in who have like two thousand followers,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: who maybe have a look, but like need a big
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: transformation because you love a storyline, you love a beginning,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: middle end.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: You need to see the transformation.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And you're gonna throw them in the house together and
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: just see how it works and just and whatever the
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: challenges are today, like followers and still race in size,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: whatever the challenges are today, they'll just like spin it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: But I just think I think the world.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Itself is a little too woke for what was the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: best part of Top Model, because people pissed about it
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: right now, Like I probably they probably gonna be out
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of me for saying that those were the best parts
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of Top Model.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: That's why the drama and the craziness everything we just
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: talked about. I just don't I wouldn't want the headache
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: if I was her.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I think we got too, we got we
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: got filters.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Now it's nothing, it's the same. I would not want.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: That might be a a thing to watch, they'll do
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like a challenge with a filter, or it'll be like
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: girls showing up whose don't look like they're filters, or
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it'll be girls showing up that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: We get.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: We should crows out now, it's a different time. It's
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. We aren't closer. It's kind of close out.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: This has been another episode of the Latest with Lauren
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: La Rosa. I tell you, guys, every single episode, y'all
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: could be anywhere with anybody talking to talking about all
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: these things, but talk you to be right here with me,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: my low riding.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Make sure y'all go watch the doc, but make sure
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: you also go listen and watch our interview with Takara.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: We're talking.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Go for the doc.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Even drops, Okay,