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Ep 17: She Lived With a Narcissist for 15 Years and Called Him Her Savior | Gloria Battini · Making Miracles Happen Masterclass

• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: What's the most interesting thing about you?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna give you the hard one straight out the gate.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: What is the most interesting thing about me?
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um I feel like I'm still learning how to use this body.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I'm still learning how to use this body.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I came into this earth and even though I feel like I've I've experienced many lives, my body, I don't know what is but what body I was in the other times because I'm so clumsy.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: But it's so clumsy.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: It is insane.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: It is insane.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so I feel like I'm I feel like at a soul level, I'm kind of like I I know myself like as you know, and I hear it from other people as well, you know, you're you're so wise, you know, you're so you know, it's so much depth, so much emotional depth.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: But when it comes to my body, I'm like, no, it's not happening.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like I'm still kind of like toddler-ish in that in that respect.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's funny.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's very funny.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Fascinating.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's so fascinating.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, give us an example of what do you mean by clumsy?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, like I cannot hold things in my hand, like I I am constantly like dropping things, I am constantly banging into things.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like a door frame is a door frame, and I live in my house, and I've go through the same doors every day, and yet again, here we go.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: I constantly I bump into them.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like, yeah, it's just and my boyfriend, you know, it's he's like, it's very entertaining to just see you move around.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's like very the whole thing, it's fascinating, you know.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you've experienced this your whole life?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, always been.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, my mom, my mom said something really funny to me.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: She goes, you know, one day she goes, you know what I was thinking?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: That when you were three, you were not like this.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: When you were three, you were so smooth moving around.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like you would think, you know, you were absolutely fine.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, she goes, I really do not know what happened.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: At some point, something changed, and here we are.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, okay.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you were to say what changed, do you have any idea what changed?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: Do I have any idea what changed?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know what?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, maybe now that you made me think you made me properly think about this.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that I I have a very internal experience of life.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_02: I have a very, very internal experience of life.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: Very emotional, very like everything is is inside for me.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so maybe that's what it is.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe growing up, instead of focusing on the you know, taking care of the outside, I feel like I had so much inside going on that kind of like the maybe the outside was not that important, perhaps, you know, maybe, but it's the only answer, honestly, the only thing that I I can think, uh, because also that's also another thing that I know very well of myself, is that I have a very, very internal experience of life.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: I you know, this is we're always talking about spirituality and and everything that's attached to that.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, is it possible that your former past life is now integrated with this lifetime and you were having issues in the past lifetime?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's like we have so much fun with this.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, oh, absolutely, but also consider that it's not that I mean, if you consider that we don't even just have one past life, like we it everything is happening all at once, right?
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I could maybe that's what's going on.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: I have multiple lives filtering through at the moment.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, multiple lives that are trying to figure it out and filtering through at the moment, and it's all like culminating in this very clumsy experience in 2026.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: It could be too much, it could be too much all at once for this body.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: That is so cool.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing that.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us, yeah, how you got into the work that you're doing now.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness, I uh uh you know what?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: Through through astrology, if you can believe it, because I um I've always felt this really deep connection to spirit, always felt like even one of the things that I love the most um of of like that I love doing the most is mediumship.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because I never felt like when when you know somebody passed in my life, I never felt like they'd gone anywhere, like I felt like they've always been around and stuff.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: But um, and even like tarot, like all loads of loads of all these things have always been resonating with my soul so much, but growing up I was never really fully allowed to explore them because they were very hush-hush.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was raised in a Catholic family, so there was only so much that you could explore.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: I went to Sunday school, so raised, you know, that way.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: But Sunday school, you know, the whole Catholic thing did not make sense to me whatsoever.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I did connect with the idea of something bigger with an energy that made sense to me, but everything else, like I did, I genuinely didn't get it, so I did not um keep going.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I did, you know, uh I I think I stopped when I was like 12, I think, 12 or 13, something like that.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I was never fully free to explore these things because of judgment, because of whatever other reason.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then I my life changed quite a lot um a few years ago, and I was on this like soul searching kind of journey, and I was getting back to astrology, which was another thing that I was very curious about when I was little, but not really fully allowed to explore.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so I was like, you know what?
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna I'm gonna do it now.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so I started reading about, you know, studying my chart a little bit, and then I became, you know, studying a lot more.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: And now I do work with astrology, you know, with my clients and stuff as well.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: And what I discovered in my chart was that actually all the things that I was attracted to were actually very much part of who I am, you know, even like the connecting with the other side, if we want to call it the other side, which is not the other side, I believe it's all the same side, but if we want to call it that, you know, being a bridge and being this like translator for the scene, you know, between the unseen and the and the scene, between the spiritual and the physical.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: And it was through that.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: And and when I did that, uh when I learned that that was in my blueprint, I was something gave me it, it gave me that validation, like, oh, you're allowed to be yourself.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's how I felt.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, all of a sudden I was allowed to be myself.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: I was allowed to explore all these things that I'm super interested in because they are actually part of me.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's how I that's how I began.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was like, okay, so let me just go for it then.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so I needed to find um somebody to train me.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: I needed to, because I felt all these energies around me, and I've always did.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: I just didn't know how to interact with them, I just didn't know you know what to do.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: And so it was a New Year's Eve.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I did my uh wishes for the for the next year, and I and I said, This this next year, I wish to find a mentor to help me with understanding this work and understanding how to do this.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: And in February, I found her completely like by chance, completely randomly.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, I did like one-to-one training with her for months, and then I started doing this work, and uh it's it's yeah, it it it now feels really like home.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like I feel like how did I ever do anything else in my life, you know?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: You said you weren't really allowed to explore astrology when you were younger.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, tell us more about that.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because it was seen as something just silly, like something that was not um uh credible, something that wasn't really, you know, it was interesting, but um again, hush hush, you can't really, you know, rely on anything like that.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's all um, you know, fabricated, it's all you know, lies, it's all so that to sell things, you know, so that to steal your money, to sell things, you know, all this sort of stuff.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it was very uh disregarded, yeah.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: And where were you hearing this from?
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: I was hearing that very much from my uh you know, grandmother, my my my immediate family.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh my mom was the only one that was a little bit more into it, but she wouldn't allow herself.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: She would also be like, no, we can't.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, she would be like, no, we can't, we can't go there.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, she would read like her horoscope, uh, you know, on the back of like a magazine or something.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: But that's that would be as much as you know, that would be as far as she would go.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's safe.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: That that's yeah, exactly, right?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's safe, yeah.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's safe.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: But otherwise she wouldn't, you know.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: I remember once she did call a psychic when I was little, but she hid it.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: She hid it.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: She she chose, you know, she went and had the call in the bedroom.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't say to anybody, you know, who she was calling.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so like she was a very, very secret thing to do.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: So none of that was allowed because of um because of the very, you know, religious and everything.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what religion?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: Catholic.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: So your mom was interested, but she hid it.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: How did you feel safe enough to even explore it?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because I uh had changed my life at that point.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: So I was already when I started doing these things and started exploring I was already 35.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of broke away.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, 34.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: 34.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: So you really broke away and started experiencing life for yourself.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Is that hard to do?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: To break away.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I spent 15 years with a narcissist.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I spent 15 years in a in a in a very you know toxic um emotionally and mentally abusive relationship, which I feel like I fell into that relationship because of a lot of the stuff that was coming from my past and a lot of the people that I had experienced, and so in a way it was what I knew, right?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but then you know, and I I I got married to this person as well, and I um then got to a point inside of myself where I was basically only anxiety, only anxiety inside of me.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh OCD.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: I had OCD for years, um, and I got to a point.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, this was 2016.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: I got to a point where I was like, I've gotta do something about it because I genuinely do not know what's gonna happen to me or how I'm gonna live my life.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: I like I don't see a future for like for me, like like with this, like this is impossible.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, with OCD, I had about um OCD is obsessive-compulsive disorder, in case anybody you know listening doesn't know, and it's basically this anxiety disorder where you have um compulsions to do repetitive behaviors uh throughout the day, and you have to do things uh in a certain way, a certain amount of time, and if you mess anything up, you have to go back and start again.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's a horrible thing to live with, and it was really affecting my life, and it was I had about 40 different things that I had to do throughout the day to just get by, and so it was horrible.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I I got to that point where I couldn't see where I was going from there, it was it was just black, and so I was like, okay, I gotta do something about it, and so I started working with a coach who specialized in anxiety disorders, and um, and that's all I was I was interested in addressing, but obviously, obviously, once you open, once you open the can, oh my goodness, oh my goodness, then there's so much more there is so much more, so much more.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I remember very vividly the first session I ever had with her.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: She it was like an intake session, so she asked me loads of questions about my childhood, my parents, and all of that.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then at the end, she's like, So tell me about your husband.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I still remember this.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Oh my god, thank god for him.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Thank god for him, he saved me.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Thank God for him, he saved me, he took me away from that oppressive reality.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: He did this and he did that.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Fast forward 18 months.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, I'm getting a divorce.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: This is not this is not what I thought this was.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so it was it really completely changed my life.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like the the addressing the immediate issue that was the anxiety, like created so much space inside of myself that I could actually see, I could actually see who I was married to, I could see the stuff that had happened in my life, I could see the patterns, I could see the people, like it was so vivid just by creating space in my brain.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: So just by you know, addressing that.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then uh yeah, and then basically at the at the beginning of 2018, I left and I I completely like turned my life around, went to live on my own, and then that's when I decided I was working in corporate events, and then I decided, no, this isn't no, no, this is not what it is.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I loved it and I was good at it, but it it was I felt like it was disconnected from my soul, you know.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so I retrained, became a coach, and then a little bit after I graduated from my from my coaching qualification, and during the coaching qualification, I started opening myself up again to astrology and all these things that I was interested in, and then again, like like right after that, I was like, Oh, wait, maybe there's something here to do, and that's where where it all started there.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, you've had a fascinating life.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um so this is so interesting.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: You said you had OCD.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Is it gone?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: That see right there, that's a miracle to me, and that's like the hope that somebody else could have that like suffering from OCD is like go you just go work with the OCD coach.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Do you wanna do you wanna know the actual miracle?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I can tell you an actual miracle about that, actually.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, yeah.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: So um, so I did I said that I had these like 40 rituals, right?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: That I had to do.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the first things that this coach made me do is write down everything that I was compulsed to do during the day throughout 24 hours, and then write down what the thought behind it was, what I was afraid of, what the anxiety basically was telling me, right?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: So fast forward up until 2018, uh, sorry, so the year and a half, and I was able to get rid of 20.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I I had halved it, right?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: But when I decided to leave in 2018 to leave the marriage, I still had 20 to deal with, and I was still working on them, but the but just by halving them, I had just so much more space, right?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: So then I go and live.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um this is so cool.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna share this because you're gonna love it.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I did not know where to go live.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: I had no idea.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: I said to him that I was leaving, I had no idea, but I I came to that point where I'd I'd like I'd rather not know where I'm going than staying here.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like this is what it's gotten to.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I had no clue where I was going, and then something came like a flash came into like a like this like intuitive, you know, download or whatever it was, that said, call your old landlord from when you first moved to London.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I called him and I said, Anthony was his name, and I said, Anthony, I need a place to live.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: I would like to rent one of your studios.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have any studios available?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, Gloria, he goes, I've had one studio available for a month.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: I've not put it on the market because I still have to do a bit of work on it, but it's yours if you want it.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Oh my god, yes, please.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes, The only thing is I can't do the work, so could you could you have could you wait three weeks before you move in?
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: And at that point, I was like, Oh my god, yes, that's fine.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: I can live in this house for three weeks, I can, you know, endure, you know, trooper through this, and then I move out.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so I was like super grateful.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: I go my god, yes, thank you.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: The next day I go to work and I tell my boss what has happened, and I said to him, you know, and so in and he goes, So you basically have to be three weeks in this in the house with this man, and I said, Yes, and he goes, No way, you're not gonna do that.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, What do you mean?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: And and I used to work in hospitality, so I was event director for a leisure company, so we had loads of venues around London, and he goes, No way, there's no way you're gonna do that.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and I'm like, Okay, so what am I gonna do?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I can't, I have I have got nowhere to go.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes, Wait a minute, and then he goes, Let me make a phone call.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Okay, so he makes a phone call, and basically we had one venue in Soho.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know London at all?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: No, okay, Soho is uh so it's basically like a like a very central um central part of London, and we had a gay bar in Soho.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um and there were rooms upstairs for the staff, and he's like, There's one room free, you move out of the house, go and move in this room for three weeks, and then you can move into the other place.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, wow, I was so grateful.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: Had the best three weeks of my life living in a gay bar, are you kidding me?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was amazing, it was so much fun.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: I had the best time of my life, and then after these three, and all throughout this, I was still having the coaching, I was still having you know the therapy for the OCD, and I was still working on releasing these like 20 other things.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I the day I got the keys for the place where my old landlord for the studio flat, I got into the house and I was like, it ends here.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: I am never going to have from this day forward, I am never going to have any OCD ritual ever again.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is where my life starts.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is who I'm gonna be from now on, and from that day I have nothing.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: A choice, a choice, but it had I feel like it was a such a powerful, maybe it was because it was such an intense and powerful transformative time of my life that I was like, I got rid of 20 and it took me a year and a half.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have another year and a half.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: I want this to change now.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: I know I can do it, I've done it, I know I I am safe without the OCD.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: I know that what it was here for, I know what it was protecting me, I know the mechanism of it, I know how it works inside and out.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna choose now not to have it anymore.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: And that was that.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't that a miracle?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: It is a miracle.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: As a matter of fact, it just seems like the whole part of your life was training for safety, for deciding to break some patterns in the family.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm seeing all kinds of stuff happen here that that feel like miracles.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's really amazing.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: What a what an awesome story.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: I love this.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: So so how does the medium stuff play in?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: How long had you been really connecting with spirits?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: So now it's been a few years.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's been since 2000 and well, since just after COVID.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: So it's been what six years or so now.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: How did that how did that um come come about?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well that that's I meant my uh I met my mentor.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then I started Oh, the mediumship is when you met your mentor?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what I that's when I trained.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's when I trained.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: She had um she was trained to train other other people, and so I did that one-to-one with her.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: And now I teach it too.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, I'm fascinated because uh most mediums will be like, you know, when I was a child, spirits were coming to me, or you know, I had this awakening or a near death experience.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: You made another choice to train as a medium.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Is what it sounds like.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: But but this is the thing.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but this is the thing.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: I trained because I could feel them.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: I just didn't know how to interact with them.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: I just didn't know how to work with energy.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is this has actually been one The one of the things specific about my journey that I've always sensed a lot, but since I was really young, I was raised to not trust myself and my intuition.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: I was raised to put the trust outside.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: So even that if I was feeling them, I thought it was just me.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that that was just, you know, like I thought I was like, oh well, yeah, everybody must sorry, not just me.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like I thought it was normal to have that experience.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, everybody must feel like this is what it is, and there's nothing to say about it, you know?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then, but but then when I found that that was on my path, that was indeed part of my blueprint, and it was indeed part of uh being a bridge, uh, you know, and and and being I see myself as that actually a bridge translator, really, because I think that's what it really is, right?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: We are translating the language of energy at the end of the day.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so um, where was I going with this now?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: I lost it.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, it was it was simply to um I I needed to learn how to interact with it.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: I needed to learn how to read it and how to trust myself that that was valid, basically.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: I needed to learn to trust myself again, yeah.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Can you kind of explain what it's like to like how long had you been feeling the energies around you and what is it like to go through life feeling energy and not knowing what to do with that?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like not knowing how to interpret it or or interact with them.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's a new one for me.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, so I've felt like that since I was a child.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: I felt like that.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: I could I can see I can see, no, not necessarily, I can sense all sorts of energies around me.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: I can sense people's energies, I can sense energies in a certain uh you know space, I can sense people that have gone.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like that.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: That is just a normal, that's always been a normal day-to-day since I was very, very little.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um it just never occurred to me that it was something.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: That is so interesting.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've never talked to anybody who had that experience where they're like, yeah, I could feel it.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what to do with it, but I can feel it.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it's for you now, is it like you can sit with somebody and then just feel like there's somebody around you?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do you like right now?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel anything, or is there times where it's actually silent?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, so I again it's a very conscious choice now.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I I now treat my intuitive space in with a lot of boundaries.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I choose not to have that very overwhelming experience of walking through my daily life, feeling everything because I can't.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like too much.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: I already need a lot of alone time.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: I need to, you know, I I am not I'm not around a lot of people.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, obviously online and I work, you know, with clients and I host loads of online events with with all of audience and stuff, but at the same time, my physical life, it's very like I don't interact with many people because I choose to, you know, I choose to for it to be this way.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: I have a lot of boundaries with that.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: And so I do the same with with energy and with spirit, like it it's very intentional.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: When I go in, I go in and I choose to start the conversation, you know.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I feel some stuff around and I'm like, are you okay?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, is there anything that we needed that we need to know?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm just like, okay, yeah, I can sense that it's always um something really um uh like positive that there's you know, if they need help, uh I've it happened to me a few times that I had spirits around that really needed help and they called me through dreams and sleep.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so then the day after I was like, okay, let's go and connect.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: So then I did a proper setup meditation, opened the channel properly.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so it has happened that way.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but otherwise, I'm very solid boundaries, very solid boundaries.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Another lesson that you I'm sure you learned with the coach and dealing with the narcissists is your boundaries are so important, even when it comes to the spirit world, because I think that's something that most mediums have to learn.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I had to learn that one.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: They were coming in all the time, and I'd be in the grocery store getting information.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: And one day it was like, no, I'm actually gonna shut it off.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so I it's funny because you'll have people who don't really know you, they never worked with you before, and they'll be like, Are you sensing something with me right now?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: You understand what I'm feeling right now, don't you?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, No, actually, yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-uh.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because I can turn it on and turn it off, which is such it's it's just it's a really important to learn how to have your switch.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I love this.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I I I love your story and what you've overcome, what you've experienced where you are now.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I do have a really important question for you because I like happy endings.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: So it sounds like you're in a really good relationship now.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: I am actually, yes.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: I really am.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: How did that happen?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because you went from the narcissistic relationship to we we gotta have the happy piece.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: I uh well, I asked for him.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: You just manifested left and right.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: You're just like, let me write down what I want and it's mine, y'all.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's mine.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know, uh, it's not it's not even about writing down.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: I uh I can't again like I feel like it came from that very deep intentional energy.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: I was in that little studio flat where I moved in after, you know, and I can say I I could understand after I I left that marriage, I could really understand that I like that that that that story, that relationship was finished way before, you know, like I was ready to move on way before, like I just didn't know it because I was so you know in that space, but my soul, myself, I was I was ready, like I was done with that.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, so I'm living in this little studio flat by myself, which by the way, all the walls in this place were pink.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I kid you not, it was like the cutest thing, and so um I uh I am there and I remember uh coming home and uh feeling ready.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: I just remember coming home, feeling ready, and I just sat down and I was like, I know exactly what I want.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: I said it out loud.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: I I actually said it out loud.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I know exactly who I want and what I want.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I want a man that is like this, this, this, this, this, this, this.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I want somebody who is creative, I want somebody who is kind, I want somebody who appreciates the freedom in the relationship, and and you know, it's not about uh being a half of anything, but it's about like bringing in, you know, the added value, like bringing being yourself, somebody authentic.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: I want somebody who is an artistic um uh part to them so that does something with art or music, and my boyfriend is both an artist and a musician.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like I was very specific.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I want the person to be this way.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: This is the person that it's gonna that my soul is going to resonate with.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: I remember saying that, and I think about like maybe like 10 days later or something like that, we met on Bumble on a dating app.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: 10?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, about 10 days later.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Do you teach this manifestation stuff to your your clients?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't necessarily teach this.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: What I teach is more to do with um because this is actually what happened to me and the way that I feel like so I I don't feel like any of this is a gift.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: I I've come across so many, maybe even in my upbringing, you know, like, oh, these people are are people with gifts.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: I really, I really am so far away from believing that.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't believe that any of this is a gift.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: I I believe that this is who we naturally are as human beings.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: I believe that we have a spiritual, sorry, a physical body that we go through life, but we also have a massive energetic and spiritual body about us that we are just not utilizing.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so none of this is a gift.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: This what this is is simply awareness.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Awareness and choosing to work and choosing what to do with that awareness, right?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: And choosing to utilize these many parts of us.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, what I teach is how to do this, like how to become aware of who you truly are as a human being, you know, aware of of all parts of you, how to use your your intuition, and that includes, you know, past lives, mediumship, like that includes all the things.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm not here to teach a technique, I'm here to help people discover how they experience it.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's also, and you would know this, it's such a personal thing, isn't it?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can't like it's not it's not the same for everyone, you know, it's not just about passing on techniques, it's more about trusting yourself and getting to know yourself and getting to know how you do it.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I um I have a masterclass on this, but you're the gift, that's what it is, essentially, right?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: You're the gift, yeah.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's what I help people do, help like understand that no, the gift is you, it's not about whether you have it or not, you do.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: So find out how you do it.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's what we're here for.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: So when you do this work full-time, is it full-time teaching, or do you do teaching and like readings, mediumship readings, like what both?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I do both.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: I do both.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I can just hear people listening to this going, oh, oh, what uh can I get a reading?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Can I learn to do this?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you are so awesome.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Can you share with us?
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: You already shared with us a miracle story, so I'm not even gonna ask you that again.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna ask you, what is a miracle to you?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean that word mean to you?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think a miracle is um I think that miracles are just normal things.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: We just we just don't believe in them enough.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: But I think miracles are just a part of life.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Miracles are who we are, miracles are things that happen every single day, and the only step between us and miracles is belief.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's all it is.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: And what's the last thing you would like the audience to know?
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: What is the wisdom that you or the spirit world would like to impart with?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's one thing that I want everyone to know, and whatever this I'm gonna say a word about whatever this word means to you.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's definitely most definitely to me is not a religious sense of the word, but whatever this word means to you, um, God is you.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I want everybody to know.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's not something that is outside, you know, whatever it's whether you want to call it God, universal energy, you know, whatever you want to call it.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: It is not outside, it is not something that you seek to connect to, it's something that is inside of your heart.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: You already have it, you already have it, you already are it.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: It is just the awareness that this energy is present in you and what to do with it.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's all.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: That is it.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's magnificent.