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This Week In Track & Field: Yomif Kejelcha’s Half Marathon WR; Ethan Strand Wins Big In Silesia, Ingebrigtsen vs. Kerr Set For Budapest; Femke Bol Is Closing The 800m Gap + A Robot Goes 9.32 For 100m · The CITIUS MAG Podcast | A Running + Track and Field Show

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  It is August 24th. Welcome back to the City's Back
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  podcast. I'm Chris Chavez.
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  I'm Carl Merber. And I'm preet Majestia.
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  And this week, in track and field, we had a world record get
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  set. Yomuf Kajalja runs 5651 in
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  Buenos Aires to take the half marathon world record back from
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  Jacob Kaplimo. Then in Celestia.
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  Ethan Strand went from 11th to 1st by the time he hit the
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  finish line to win his first Diamond League 1500 meter beats.
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  Cole Hacker and Jacob Ingebritsen.
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  World Athletics then also decided Budapest needed both
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  Jacob and Josh Kerr so badly that they broke their own invite
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  rule and expanded the field to 13 in the men's 1500.
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  Then we had Rye Benjamin finally getting under 44 seconds in the
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  403. Americans broke 13 in Lausanne
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  and none of them won the race, but still a great showing.
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  We got another Audrey Weiro versus Femko bull clash and a
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  robot in Beijing ran 932. So lots to unpack here.
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  Pre you successfully did the Lausanne to Celestia double but
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  it very funny turn of events to get you from one meet to the
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  next. Why don't you share with the
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  listeners how everything unfolded?
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  Yeah. So yeah, obviously it's a very
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  tight turn around. La Zam's Friday night, Celestia
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  was on Sunday, the there was a city meet with a bunch of field
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  defence on Saturday afternoon. The press conference was in fact
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  Saturday morning. I had a flight booked and it's a
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  quite small town in Poland. It's not, it's not a big, big
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  town, so the airport's quite small.
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  There isn't that much demand for Geneva to Katawiche as a flight,
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  so it was all in direct flights. I booked a flight back in March
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  or April and I at midnight last night.
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  I went to midnight on the Friday night.
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  After the meet I went to check into my flight and I couldn't
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  find any messages about it. And then I discovered an e-mail
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  that had been sent at the end of April saying your flight details
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  have changed and normally that means oh the timings changed by
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  about 5 minutes or something. In this case I opened up the
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  e-mail your flight has been cancelled.
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  Here are your options, get a refund.
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  And this is obviously I'm due to fly 10 AM Friday morning, so
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  it's 10 hours before I'm due to fly.
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  And I'm like, what on earth do I do now?
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  And I tried to look for it for other flights and some of the
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  other guys who were there with me were going on another flight
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  via Warsaw. But then again, I think the
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  flight to Katowice was booked out from Warsaw to Katowice.
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  So I'd have had to take a late flight.
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  I probably wouldn't have got there till late evening or
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  something. It'd be an absolute nightmare.
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  And then we were in the Meat Hotel having this drink.
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  And so I went out to the kind of, they had a transportation
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  desk in the thing and there's no one there.
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  It was past midnight, there was no one there, but there was a
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  board with a list of all the athletes going on the flight.
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  Though they, what they've done is because there were a lot of
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  athletes and coaches going from Lausanne to Celestia, they put
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  on a chartered flight. So, and they had a list of all
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  the athletes going on this flight.
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  And then they had if you have any questions or you know, any,
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  any changes or anything, message this guy on, on this number.
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  So I literally WhatsApp this guy at midnight and he responds with
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  about 5, you know, ask him, is there a, this is what's
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  happened. Is there any chance I can get on
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  this flight? And he was like, yeah, sure, no
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  problem. And I was like, all right, then
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  here we go. And so I ended up on a charter
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  flight with all the athletes, coaches, agents going from going
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  from Lausanne to Celestia, which was incredible.
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  And. Who'd you sit next to you?
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  Yeah, it's like that meme, you know, where you have all the
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  seat options, like who you want to sit next.
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  To I So it was a 55 people on this flight.
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  It was 180 seater plates. Everyone got their own row so
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  sadly there was no sitting next to anyone.
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  But you're like, you're like, you pick still like.
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  Everyone in every. Entire row and you're like,
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  well, obviously I want to talk to somebody.
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  Yeah, so, well, nonetheless, the the funniest thing that happens
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  is the Diamond League media team were there and then when we got
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  off the plane, they were trying to capture these glamorous shots
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  of athletes coming off the plane.
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  And I was kind of behind Lika Klava.
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  And so they, they had all these photos of Lika Klava coming off
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  the plane. And then we're in the bus on the
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  way to the on the way to the to the hotel.
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  And I can see the guy trying to edit the photos.
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  And basically there I am in the background of all these photos
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  and he desperately tried to edit me out or find an angle that
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  doesn't include me. You.
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  Should have been as dishevelled as possible.
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  I was pretty dishevelled. I mean, yeah, this was, I'd not
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  had much sleep and. If they can hear this I want I
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  want to see those photos. I love the idea Preet of like a
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  few years ago to now this trajectory your career has been
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  on in athletics of like now you're on private jets with the
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  best athletes in the world like. This was not the private jets.
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  It was it was a very normal plane.
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  The the, the, the there was like a safety card and a menu card in
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  the seat back pocket that were stuck together by a piece of
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  chewing gum. So I won't say it was the most
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  fancy of accommodations, but obviously get a direct flight
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  with the whole race to yourself is nothing to complain about.
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  You never thought that showing up to the Sidious Mag group run
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  in Budapest three years ago would get you here?
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  Absolutely not. Pre I did this double a couple
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  years ago when I I went from Los Angeles to Celestia as well.
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  And they didn't do a chartered plane, but it was, I remember
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  being like, I wonder, like of all these athletes, who's going
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  to get the front seat? Like everyone probably had the
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  highest level of status. And I do remember Mondo that he
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  had. It was, I think it was 1A, which
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  made sense. Yeah, very cool.
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  Yeah. And then I wandered into the
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  hotel actually, and I went up and basically there were two
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  meat hotels as well. And so there's one meat hotel,
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  which looked a lot fancier. And then there's a second one
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  which was a Novotel. And obviously there was a
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  limited number of athletes plus all the officials and agents and
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  Diamond League people staying in the, the fancier hotel.
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  And then I, I went in there and they kind of, I, they said, I
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  asked where the toilet was. I went up to the first floor,
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  which was kind of an athlete floor, as in they had like the
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  massage centre and the kind of whatever.
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  You're like, don't mind if I do. And then there was Jacob and
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  Mondo having a nice little chat, walking out and well, don't say
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  they had an espresso bar for the athletes.
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  And to be honest, like they were really not like the the
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  Celestia. I have to give them a lot of
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  credit like as a Diamond League in terms of how much effort they
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  go to for everyone, not just athletes, but for media and
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  everyone. Like I spoke to there and also
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  my personal experience of it. They were just so accommodating,
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  like nothing was too much trouble.
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  I needed to leave my bags there to go to the city event in the
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  hotel I was not staying in. They literally they took them
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  like the Porter took them. And then when I came back, the
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  lady recognised me straight away was like, oh, you come to
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  collect your bags, here you go. Like, and it was very they were,
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  they were amazing, like the level of service and you know
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  that I think that they got into a lot of effort and it yeah, I
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  have to give them a lot of credit for that.
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  And the meat as a whole, you know, in that sense, was just.
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  Was was really good in? A lot of ways.
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  The rise of the Celestia Diamond League needs to be studied
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  because it is just like not that it's a pretty normal sized city
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  and it's a great meet and it's. 38,000 people.
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  I saw that that was like the attendance.
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  And they made, I mean it's a massive stadium, it's like
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  60,000 seater stadium. But it made it, it felt full.
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  And the cunning thing is they had the hammer throws 2 hours
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  before the main meet so the stadium was full from like 2
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  hours before the main meat. Oh, and the the best race of the
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  entire day was a BMX bike doing the 400 metre handles against a
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  Polish All Star team which include included Marston
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  Levandowski, who's one of the meat directors long, you know
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  few years retired, putting on a speed St. brave move to run this
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  mix 4 by 1 against the the bike but.
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  It was, I didn't think that pitch meeting went when they
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  were like let's let's do a legends relay.
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  And then some other guy said I want to see a BMX guy do a 400
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  hurdles race. So they actually did it.
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  So he did. When Mondo broke the world
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  record 2 years ago at that meet, they did.
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  He actually they did a ramp. They set up a ramp and had him
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  go over the 6:32. Polvo, Really.
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  Yeah. There's a video on YouTube of
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  it. It's brilliant, absolutely
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  brilliant. So yeah, yeah, they're, they're,
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  they're obviously doing lots of cool stuff in Poland and like
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  the way they integrate their legends into the meat and, and
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  they had stands for all their top athletes.
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  They had a Bukuyeka stand and a Swaboda stand and stuff like
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  that for all the top athletes. So that was cool.
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  And then after each of their races, they went and spent time
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  in their stands, like greeting the fans and signing autographs
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  or whatever they were doing. So it's a really like, I think
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  they, they set it up really well to take advantage of, of
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  everything they had there. And, and yeah, I'm very
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  impressed. So of the Europe diamond
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  leagues, how many have you checked off and when do we get
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  the pre power rankings of what your favourites are?
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  I mean, it sounds like Celestia's out there for.
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  You. I think I have done all of them
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  now. I think I've done all the
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  European ones now. Because Les are Monaco.
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  No, sorry. Monaco is the only one sorry
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  that I have not done. Yes, that is the only one I have
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  done. I've done all the others now.
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  And so who's at the top right now?
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  Well, depends. On actually you don't.
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  Don't spoil it. Maybe you?
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  Yeah, we'll do it. Yeah, we can.
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  No, I mean it also it depends what perspective you take,
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  right? Is it from a media perspective
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  or from a kind of we? Need you to come up with like
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  your criteria of like all the different things same way
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  Simmons had all this criteria for ranking you know sports for
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  parents. You're going to have to take
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  into account the food, the mix zone, the Media Tribune access
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  from I. Will tell.
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  I will tell you that Masai Russell has not forgiven Satya's
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  mag for her place in the power rankings because she mentioned
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  it very specifically in the interview I did with her in
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  Lausanne was like, you better be putting me somewhere higher on
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  those power rankings now all. Right.
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  Well, round two of Kyle's power rankings.
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  Don't say Kyle's power rankings. It was my idea to do the power
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  rankings. It was it was by committee and
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  maybe this time I'll actually vote.
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  I was the one who didn't submit about the first time around.
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  But yeah, all right, Preet, start thinking about your
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  Diamond League power rankings now that you've been to all of
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  them but Monaco. Next year, we'll put Monaco on
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  your on your agenda. All right, let's get into the
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  action that took place over the last week.
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  And I guess we should start off with a world record.
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  Yomi Kagelchi goes 5651 at the Medio Marathon de Ciudad de
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  Buenos Aires on Sunday, cutting 29 seconds off of Jacob
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  Piupulimo's 5720 from Lisbon in March, which has not been
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  ratified yet. Right, Preet?
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  Like that one, the Lisbon half hasn't been yet.
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  I, I heard something about that, but then I did see World
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  Athletics kind of posting. So I I was a little confused
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  because it didn't say whether it was or not, but I hadn't I
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  haven't seen that one also have been ratified yet either.
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  Could you? I mean, could Blimmo not getting
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  half marathon world records ratified 2 times would be pretty
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  ridiculous. But so this isn't the fastest
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  half marathon ever. Cause in the first go round when
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  Kaplima had the car in front of him, he did go a little faster
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  than Kajalja did this past weekend.
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  But if we're going by the official records, then this is
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  the second time that Kajalja's going to hold the record 'cause
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  he ran 5730 back in 2024. The splits are pretty funny here
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  because he goes 1345 through 5 K, 2719 at 10K and at that point
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  he's 19 seconds off of the world record pace.
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  And then he turns it on and he goes 1322 for the 10K to 15K
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  segment and then he hits 15K and 4041.
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  Eleven seconds up on Kiplimo 20K and 54 O 4 and then 2645 for the
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  that second 10K. So he closed the final K in 232.
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  And if you watch the video that I tweeted out, it's blown up.
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  It's gotten I think like 5 million views or something like
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  that. He was kicking and then at the
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  end does like in his celebration was just jumping for joy.
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  So now he's sitting fourth all time in the five K, 7th in the
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  10K, first in the half, second in the marathon, the greatest
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  range I think we've ever seen in track and field.
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  And so the big take away from this is I think like at this
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  point you're just setting up the expectation that sub 2IN
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  Valencia will happen 15930. It all depends on the weather,
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  but that's just sort of like what a performance like this is
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  is doing. Kyle, what did you think of this
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  one? I mean.
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  What can't he do? And I wish that he was racing
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  before Valencia because he's obviously so big right now.
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  And I mean, ultimately, you're probably not even really in your
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  marathon training block yet. If you're a Kajalka.
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  It's not like, oh, you're going to ride this fitness into
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  December. I don't think we're 20 weeks out
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  yet or anything. I don't 16 Yeah, I don't I don't
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  know if Kajalka is like a two week off guy, but this might
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  have been circled on his calendar as like the race in the
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  build up, but like take some time and then get into it.
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  But it's like, man, what what is he going to do in Valencia?
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  And I like it's a long time now to be getting excited from it,
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  but it's that's the battle of him versus John career.
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  And we know London's a fast course, but like, we seriously
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  know that Valencia is a fast course.
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  And now with, like, the experience of having been there
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  before, I hate, like, putting that expectation out that like,
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  oh, yeah. Like, he of course has to break
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  marathon world record, but like, all signs are pointing to him
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  destroying it. Yeah.
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  So it's really exciting. I don't know.
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  I love it. Great, good to finally see
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  Kajalcher win a race. Absolutely.
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  I mean, yeah, I, I didn't get much chance to absorb this or
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  even say anything about it because I was literally arrived
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  in the stadium when when the tweet came in and I saw, I saw
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  it happened and I was like, what on earth?
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  And then, yeah, I had to kind of turn my attention to my many
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  interviews that afternoon, but. Congrats on the PR by the way.
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  So you and the Gelter said PR's this weekend.
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  You said a PR for most interviews it recorded at a
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  single Diamond League. Maybe some are saying world
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  best. The funniest thing, Oh, I should
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  have taken a photo. They had literally all the world
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  record and world best signs right near the mix.
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  So they had a world best sign. I don't know what it was for,
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  but they had a world best sign so.
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  It was. You know I should have.
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  Taken the usual subject to the usual ratification process
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  though for you go on and jump the gun and assume that you got
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  the world best, yes? We need pre to pee in a cup yeah
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  all right so I mean Kojelcha running 5651 incredible
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  performance and I just yeah to Kyle's point wish we will see
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  him way before December feels like a long way off He he he's
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  just so well loved in these Spanish speaking countries in
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  Spain. He works really closely with
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  Santa Madre who produces like the gels and all that stuff that
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  his his fueling company. And so immediately after London,
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  I think they took him to the Adidas headquarters.
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  And then from there he went to Spain and he did a lot of, he
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  was on Spanish like late night television.
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  And then this time around he goes to Argentina.
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  They were treating him to a soccer game.
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  His jersey had 5651 on the back of it.
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  So yeah, I mean, Kajalcha Global Superstar at this point.
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  And so I'm honestly waiting, I guess, for when the US will get
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  a chance to have him race here again 'cause it feels like it's
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  been since probably like a Milrose Games or BU the last
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  time that he raced on US soil. But yeah, tremendous talent and
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  super excited, super excited for him.
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  All right, let's get into the diamond leagues.
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  We had two of them. We'll work our way backwards.
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  I want to start with Celestia and we're going to go to the
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  men's 1500 because it was billed as Hawker versus Ingebritsen,
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  their first 1500 meeting in nearly two years.
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  But it was Ethan Strand who steals the show wins in 330
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  going from 11th at 800 meters all the way to winning by the
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  time the finish line hitting the finish line.
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  Fanwell Kovich was second three 3114 Cole Hacker 3rd 331 in his
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  first race in a while. Was it has it been like what, 7
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  weeks or something like that since Cole raced and then Yaka
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  Binga Brits in fourth and 331.19 the split for the nerds 150.4
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  last 854.3 last lap, 26 four last 200 which you can split
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  down to 13 two and 13 two. For Ethan Strand, so it was it
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  was a really, really fun race to watch and Ethan just kind of
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  took the option of running a little bit more distance in lane
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  2 and giving himself extra room to run because you could have
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  ended up in the situation where you did what Cole Hawker did,
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  which was run from the front for most of it.
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  Then he did kind of move back because other guys like Jacob
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  and Isaac Nader pressed to the front with a lap to go and then
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  Hawker gets a little boxed in. But Ethan just had I think a bit
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  more room running from the outside and was able to avoid
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  any sort of trouble and close hard.
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  So what impressed you from this one, Kyle, in terms of Ethan's
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  race execution and in a way, like Cole and Jacob getting
• 21:07
  boxed in kind of disrupted their final 200?
• 21:12
  Yeah, Ethan just kind of felt invisible for much of the race,
• 21:16
  which is what you want. He was able to avoid some
• 21:19
  trouble, right? Like we saw a couple guys go
• 21:21
  down, but then that last hundred, it was just like all
• 21:26
  the strength that we've seen before, like that 3K strength
• 21:30
  that we know he has just, he just had a clear line and I just
• 21:34
  think he, he just executed perfectly.
• 21:38
  I I was joking that he's undefeated since he became the
• 21:41
  2025 US champion. So the guy in the comment
• 21:43
  section didn't get the joke. Didn't get the joke, yeah, but
• 21:47
  the thing that I kind of. Loved is it's like.
• 21:50
  I don't feel like he was that surprised, right?
• 21:53
  Like, I don't know, I feel like he he he starting to feel like
• 21:57
  he deserves to be in these conversations a little bit more.
• 22:02
  And I think he's right. Obviously it wasn't a 327 race.
• 22:09
  And you know what, I'd love to see him do that eventually.
• 22:13
  But at this point, like if you're like, look at the field,
• 22:19
  this was arguably the best 1500 field we've seen the entire
• 22:22
  year. And it wasn't the guys that we
• 22:25
  thought were going to do it. So I hope he sticks in the 1500
• 22:29
  a little bit longer because he's got some serious wheels as we've
• 22:32
  seen that last 100 he's. Yeah, I guess the biggest
• 22:35
  storyline looking at the names in this field, it was like this
• 22:38
  is the second-half of the season bunch right, Like which for for
• 22:42
  so many guys. Jakob hadn't raced at 1500 up
• 22:45
  until today this race. Cole had this big long layoff
• 22:49
  since the pre classic Fanwell Kovic is kind of easing his way
• 22:52
  back into training and he made some some moves as well.
• 22:56
  It was anyone's race I think going into to that final lap and
• 23:00
  I think that that that's the state of the 1500 right now.
• 23:04
  There's obviously Josh Kerr who's hell of fit as we've seen
• 23:08
  in London and at the Commonwealth Games.
• 23:10
  But how does that translate into a Diamond League race where you
• 23:16
  have, what was this? This was like 15 different
• 23:19
  competitors around you. Huge field.
• 23:22
  What we're going to find out in just a couple weeks with
• 23:25
  actually, there's no pacemaker at the World Ultimate
• 23:27
  Championships. But again, last year we were
• 23:31
  treated to so many people running under 330 and this year
• 23:35
  we've just been treated to more consistently thrilling races
• 23:40
  across the board where the time, forget the time like anyone is
• 23:44
  going into these races thinking they can win.
• 23:46
  There's a moment where I'm thinking, oh, that's the world
• 23:49
  champion that we saw last year. Isaac Nader was it was in it and
• 23:52
  then he fades badly, ends up in in 9th place.
• 23:54
  But for the most part, people are coming around at the right
• 23:58
  time. Pre What did what stood out to
• 24:00
  you from your conversation with Ethan Strand afterwards?
• 24:03
  Well, it was interesting. He was actually disappointed in
• 24:06
  his positioning, Right? He was.
• 24:08
  He was thinking that, you know, he left his move a little bit
• 24:11
  too late. He wasn't engaged further up the
• 24:14
  field. But what is interesting is you
• 24:16
  had Jacob and Cole, who both then got boxed at the wrong
• 24:22
  moment because Yakob went to the front after, you know, at around
• 24:26
  9900. And Cole kind of got shuffled
• 24:29
  back between sort of 400 and 300 to go.
• 24:34
  And, and both of them were kind of like, you know, it wasn't,
• 24:36
  you know, they, they did get boxed in a little bit, but
• 24:39
  Ethan, obviously, because he was at the back, he was able to get
• 24:42
  himself out, move out into lane whatever lane 2, lane 3 and,
• 24:47
  and, and go for it. And we know his kick kick is
• 24:49
  devastating. They were close enough together
• 24:51
  for that to be effective in in this race.
• 24:54
  And he's shown that through his NCAA years and he's shown that
• 24:59
  it works on the on the professional stage as well in
• 25:03
  the right race. So, yes, you might say he might
• 25:07
  need to be a bit further up in kind of more championship races
• 25:11
  that are, you know, at the sharp end of the season.
• 25:14
  But this was this was very impressive and people are going
• 25:18
  to look out for him now. All right, Ethan Strand, Diamond
• 25:22
  League winner. How's it feel?
• 25:24
  Feels good, especially after the indoor season.
• 25:27
  I had to come out and actually make this outdoor season
• 25:30
  memorable. Is is really cool?
• 25:32
  Yeah, obviously beating the field that was there was
• 25:34
  incredible field, you know, all two of the world medallists from
• 25:38
  last year and then obviously Jakob and Cole and you know
• 25:41
  that. How does it feel to kind of
• 25:43
  just, you know? Yeah, I mean, like, I think I, I
• 25:47
  ran that way. I ran it the hard way.
• 25:49
  I really had to do a lot of work the second-half of the race.
• 25:52
  And I mean, honestly, it's I'm so comfortable in the back of
• 25:56
  those races and that's, that's one thing I really got so got to
• 25:59
  work on is, you know, maybe being comfortable up further.
• 26:03
  So I, I feel like in a race like that, if I'm up, you know, a bit
• 26:06
  further halfway through without using any more energy, it's like
• 26:10
  I might be able to pull away from some people, but it's like
• 26:13
  it's a skill to practice is getting stuck back there and not
• 26:17
  panicking and staying relaxed and still having somewhere to
• 26:20
  go. Yeah, obviously.
• 26:21
  I mean, to be fair, I speaking to Colin Jakob, they both kind
• 26:24
  of got a little boxed in. So actually in a way, like the
• 26:27
  way you came through in the race that the way it played out
• 26:30
  seemed to work pretty well in your favour in the end.
• 26:32
  Yeah, I mean, I feel, I feel like I found myself right behind
• 26:35
  Jakob. And once he moved up, I was
• 26:37
  like, all right, it's time, it's time to go because I I know he's
• 26:39
  going to put himself in a win in a winning position.
• 26:42
  And so the moment I saw him move was the the moment I realized it
• 26:45
  was time to go. And you know, the last 500
• 26:47
  meters, I ran a lot of it in the outside lanes and maybe fix that
• 26:51
  in the future. But like how I finished today
• 26:54
  was I'm really, really proud of that.
• 26:56
  And how how hard and the effort I put out, I'm really, really
• 26:58
  proud of as well. Brilliant.
• 27:00
  And, you know, like just winning a Diamond League.
• 27:02
  Obviously Americans don't do it very often.
• 27:04
  Colin's been an Olympic champion.
• 27:05
  He's not won a Diamond League yet.
• 27:07
  You know, does that kind of factor into you like as being
• 27:11
  something that's quite meaningful?
• 27:12
  Obviously you've got this lovely little trophy just here.
• 27:14
  So, you know, must feel feel good at that sense.
• 27:16
  Yeah, it means I'm doing something right.
• 27:18
  And also, you know, I guess you know, World Championships and
• 27:22
  Diamond League finals and world ultimates are, it's not today.
• 27:25
  And so winning, winning these meets, you know, they mean a
• 27:28
  lot. They're, they're a big milestone
• 27:30
  and a big part of my journey. But, you know, ultimately I need
• 27:32
  to set myself up where I'm at my best on those days.
• 27:36
  And that matters a little bit more than it does today.
• 27:37
  But this is certainly a step in the right direction.
• 27:40
  Yeah. And I think this also gets you
• 27:41
  safely into the quota for world Ultimates, I'd assume.
• 27:44
  Is it definitely. Definitely the Diamond League
• 27:45
  final, World ultimates. I'm not sure.
• 27:47
  We'll have to see. Yeah, but definitely I should be
• 27:49
  in the Diamond League final for sure.
• 27:51
  Brilliant. And obviously we also had the
• 27:53
  slightly unfortunate news about lot of Jonah Co action and last
• 27:56
  year's. There must be some complicated
• 27:58
  feelings about that. Any any sort of thoughts you'd
• 28:00
  like to share on that? Yeah.
• 28:02
  I mean, I think for me. It's like a, it really sucks,
• 28:04
  you know, it's, it takes away some of the satisfaction of like
• 28:08
  AUS championships last year, but you know, I, I accomplished what
• 28:12
  I wanted to last year. Like I, I got a chance to
• 28:15
  represent Team USA in Tokyo, Like I didn't have any
• 28:19
  opportunities taken away from me from that.
• 28:21
  So like my situation, yes, it sucks.
• 28:23
  Yes, I would have loved to have crossed the line first in that
• 28:25
  race. But I really feel for someone
• 28:28
  like Hobbs who actually had an opportunity taken away from him,
• 28:31
  that's not fair. And yeah, it's disappointing for
• 28:34
  me, but I I still got to represent my country last last
• 28:36
  year and that was the main goal. Of the year.
• 28:38
  Yeah, absolutely. Well, we look forward to seeing
• 28:40
  the rest of the season from you. I'll see you in in Brussels.
• 28:42
  Well, are you? You're not in Zurich, are you?
• 28:44
  I'm not in Zurich, So. All right.
• 28:45
  Yeah, I'll see you. See you in Brussels.
• 28:46
  And hopefully many passed. Thank you.
• 28:48
  All right. Yeah.
• 28:49
  It was kind of a classic Cole Hawker third lap there that
• 28:53
  boxed him in and it just, you know, I don't know if he truly
• 28:59
  gave himself a chance the way that he ran it to potentially
• 29:03
  win. But I will say Cole is coming
• 29:07
  like it's right there and we know he peaks very well and you
• 29:12
  know, he must have had a good training block the way that he
• 29:15
  ran the 1st 2 laps. Chris, I don't know if you want
• 29:18
  to share your ridiculous conspiracy theory about Cole
• 29:22
  Hawker's time trial, but. Yeah, sure.
• 29:25
  I think is coming. Cole is coming, I'm telling you,
• 29:28
  by World Ultimates, Cole is first or second.
• 29:32
  What? Was his 2K time in that?
• 29:35
  Or 50. 2. 3. Something like that.
• 29:41
  But we looked at just sort of like, oh, like where's that
• 29:44
  stack him up against? You know, Jakob has run so much
• 29:47
  faster in a legit 2K race. Those very rarely run.
• 29:51
  The coal is close to the American record.
• 29:54
  But how much can you extrapolate from the 2K than it?
• 29:56
  And then seeing it, I was just like, you know what conspiracy
• 29:58
  theories it it was an edited video.
• 30:01
  It wasn't like the Josh Kerr time trial where there's one
• 30:05
  continuous shot. I was like he's putting out a
• 30:09
  fake time to bluff and that he's actually fitter than the time
• 30:13
  that he was reporting on YouTube and he just wants people to
• 30:16
  think that he's not as fit. Conspiracy theory would be wild.
• 30:21
  Make yourself look bad. It was interesting, like
• 30:25
  speaking to him, he didn't like come across as he was like, it's
• 30:29
  OK, things have gone well. But it didn't feel like he was
• 30:33
  like, oh, I should have won that race.
• 30:34
  I could have won that race. He that wasn't the the sentiment
• 30:37
  I got from him in that interview.
• 30:38
  He was like, that was fine, that was a good start, first race in
• 30:41
  Europe, whatever. But it wasn't the kind of, oh,
• 30:44
  I'm in shape to have won that race.
• 30:47
  So it was. But then he's always quite mad
• 30:49
  manners, so it's hard to tell whether that just means he's
• 30:54
  yeah, how he actually feels. 3rd place in that one.
• 31:01
  How you feeling after that? OK, I'm still chasing the first
• 31:05
  time in league win, which seems to be kind of the monkey on my
• 31:08
  back. But at the same time I have to
• 31:12
  realize that the position I'm in and although I feel really fit,
• 31:17
  like maybe the fittest I've ever been, right now, it's coming
• 31:20
  back and getting that race feeling which as much as I hate
• 31:24
  it, like a rust Buster, but I'll just do for one.
• 31:27
  But I can't be too mad with second or third.
• 31:30
  But yeah, I just really wanted to win.
• 31:33
  I know I could win. But with that being said, I'm
• 31:36
  super excited for Zurich. Just here in a few days.
• 31:38
  And then Brussels, I think, yeah, trying to run really fast
• 31:41
  and really good at Brussels, but one race at a time, so.
• 31:45
  Moving on Zurich, Absolutely. So you're fully recovered from
• 31:47
  everything and you kind of got that full training block in that
• 31:49
  you wanted from, you know, earlier in the year when you
• 31:52
  were saying, you know, you have a little break.
• 31:54
  Yeah, Yep. Yeah, like, yeah, fully done
• 31:58
  with the injury as of now and training's been going really
• 32:02
  well. But coming to Europe, mix it up
• 32:04
  with the best in the world, it's always going to be a challenge
• 32:06
  and kind of off the off the jump today I felt just a little flat,
• 32:10
  but I made a deal with myself that I go with the pacer.
• 32:12
  So maybe paid for it a little bit and then got a little dice
• 32:16
  in the last lap. I don't know what some dude,
• 32:19
  some dudes getting. And physical out there I.
• 32:21
  Don't know his name but. Yeah.
• 32:23
  And you obviously, yeah, you got to shuffle back a little bit
• 32:25
  just coming into that last lap, right?
• 32:26
  So, yeah, how was that kind of, you know, working out because I
• 32:30
  guess that does happen like a couple of times that has
• 32:32
  happened to you a couple of times with other races as well.
• 32:34
  Yeah, no, I have no one to blame but myself for that position I
• 32:36
  was in. But yeah, I don't know.
• 32:40
  It's a fast pace and anything that happens like that that that
• 32:43
  pace, it's that much harder to get around.
• 32:45
  But I say Strand played it just a little bit smarter than me
• 32:48
  today. And then you, you got the
• 32:50
  benefit of that. But like I said, you got to be
• 32:53
  on your A game no matter what. And I feel like today, of
• 32:58
  course, I prepped. I prepped and I feel like I
• 32:59
  brought my A game but for whatever reason just felt a
• 33:02
  little flat and tactically not so sound.
• 33:06
  So did you know that you were dipping on the line to get
• 33:08
  Jakob? Because you're literally 3
• 33:11
  hundredths. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:13
  No, I don't. I just wondered whatever spot
• 33:15
  was best. I was going to dip regardless,
• 33:17
  but yeah, no, I'm I knew he was in good in good shape, but
• 33:22
  respect for him mixing it up, making a first.
• 33:25
  All right, brilliant. Well, well done today.
• 33:27
  We look forward to seeing the next ones.
• 33:30
  After every race, I'd be like, you know what, it's OK, I'm
• 33:33
  still the Olympic champion. Well.
• 33:36
  I just like put in context, I don't believe Kohl has ever won
• 33:40
  a Diamond League. No, he hasn't.
• 33:42
  So there's seven Americans who have won a Diamond League middle
• 33:46
  distance race this year across 815105K, and Cole is not one of
• 33:52
  them, and neither was Centro. So would you rather win a
• 33:55
  Diamond League or the Olympic gold medal?
• 33:58
  I think most people would take the Olympic gold medal.
• 34:00
  But it's it's, I mean, this is America's year in the men's
• 34:05
  middle distance races, like between Cooper, Leckenhouse, all
• 34:09
  the way to you, we'll get to the 5K that took place in Lausanne.
• 34:13
  Like Americans are in contention to win at every middle distance
• 34:20
  and long distance. Can I tell you I'm going to
• 34:24
  preet if you have something relevant to this before I bring
• 34:27
  us to left? Field I was just going to add to
• 34:29
  that stat about Americans winning diamond leagues.
• 34:31
  So I think John Gold's tweet. So Leo Manzano has won one Miles
• 34:35
  Slash 1500 on the Diamond League yard has won six, and the only
• 34:38
  other person who's won one now in somewhat dubious
• 34:41
  circumstances is Janekovich. So.
• 34:44
  And Ethan Strand now, yeah. And now it's Ethan Strand, but
• 34:47
  no Co Hawker and so it's literally 2/3 guys until Ethan
• 34:51
  Strand comes along. So that is pretty elite company
• 34:55
  to be in. And I mean again, emphasizes how
• 34:57
  good the Arid is that he's done league races.
• 34:59
  But yeah, it will be good to see Cole win one at some point.
• 35:04
  Where are you taking us, Kyle? So for about 3 miles worth of my
• 35:09
  run this morning, I was thinking about Century Wits fans.
• 35:13
  So we just had like the 10 year anniversary.
• 35:15
  I was listening to Central Pod on Let's Run, which I thought
• 35:17
  was really good. And so I was thinking about like
• 35:21
  Century Wits fans from 10 years ago.
• 35:24
  Where are they today? As in, are you if you were a big
• 35:29
  Sentro head in 2016, are you a Josh?
• 35:33
  A Jacob? We're a Cole Hawker fan today.
• 35:37
  I think a lot of them moved to Cole after the 21 trials.
• 35:44
  Really. It's like you dethrone.
• 35:46
  You jump. You jump from like the Yankees
• 35:50
  to the Red Sox. No way.
• 35:52
  No, actually you didn't jump then, but you jumped in by the,
• 35:54
  they jumped by 2024. OK, I.
• 35:57
  Don't think it was an immediate jump, but by 2024 all those
• 36:03
  people who rooted for maybe not all a majority of the people who
• 36:07
  rooted for Centro now root for coal.
• 36:09
  I mean there's the ducks element obviously, but like then you
• 36:12
  have the. Cockiness.
• 36:15
  The bravado I kind of give to Josh in a way of like talking a
• 36:20
  big game, like the old Lions being posted on Instagram and
• 36:25
  but then the running nerds like Yaakov is for the running nerds.
• 36:31
  Yeah, and Centro is a nerd. Did I show it?
• 36:35
  But he's a he's. His brain was always wired like
• 36:37
  a nerd. So it's like, where did they did
• 36:40
  they fully spread out? Like or who has the majority?
• 36:45
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 36:46
  That would be like, I want that Instagram graphic like Centro
• 36:49
  fans, where are you today? I mean, you could, you could
• 36:53
  have try and convince him to put up a poll on his Instagram
• 36:57
  story. Like if you rooted for me back
• 36:58
  in the day, who are you rooting for now and then?
• 37:01
  That's AI will ask him to do that for sure.
• 37:03
  Yeah. All right.
• 37:04
  And we'll get the full results. Yeah, that's a good one.
• 37:08
  All right, so Speaking of Yaakov, we got a touch on his
• 37:12
  return to the 1500s. So 331 we Kyle, you and I texted
• 37:18
  that we didn't expect him to be this good at the 1500 like this
• 37:24
  this quickly coming off of the injury.
• 37:27
  We thought that the speed would take a while to get back the
• 37:30
  engine is there he proved it at European Championships.
• 37:35
  He closed this thing in 13 three, which is fine by his
• 37:38
  standards. He's just missing the specific
• 37:42
  1500 meter sharpness, I think to win these races, but or, or to
• 37:48
  get back to the point where he used to string out these fields
• 37:52
  and then punish everybody over the final lap and he's not there
• 37:56
  yet. So what he was forced to do this
• 37:58
  time around in Celestia was he was running other people's race.
• 38:03
  And like, that's not how we've been accustomed to seeing him
• 38:07
  race in the past, but he's getting there.
• 38:09
  I think he said give me 4. More days?
• 38:12
  Yeah, four more days is not even allowed.
• 38:14
  It is. I like that he corrected Preet
• 38:17
  when Preet said that it's been 2 weeks since Europeans.
• 38:18
  He's like, no, no, no, 10 days. I yeah, I just tipped my hat to
• 38:25
  Jakob. Like I thought that I'm probably
• 38:29
  on record saying this six months ago where I was like, yeah, I
• 38:33
  think he could be good again in the 5K10K, but I don't know if
• 38:35
  he'll be competitive in the 1500, just having dealt with
• 38:39
  Achilles issues. I just don't know.
• 38:40
  And I have no doubt that in four days, like he's right.
• 38:46
  So yeah, it's incredible. It's I, I, I look, it's we're
• 38:52
  not at 326 yet, but you're mixing it up with everyone right
• 38:57
  now. And what do we have?
• 38:59
  How many date we got three weeks or so until Budapest.
• 39:04
  Yeah. Couple, couple, 2 hundreds.
• 39:07
  In practice, who knows what happens?
• 39:10
  It's so I I the ultimate champs timing is great for so many
• 39:15
  reasons, but we're going to have this convergence of everyone's
• 39:18
  fitness coming together at the at a very interesting point
• 39:21
  because Josh is coming from a pier and it's sort of like how
• 39:23
  much has he come down since the mile took so much from, you
• 39:29
  know, it took a lot to get to that level.
• 39:31
  Can you sustain that for the whole entire time until you get
• 39:33
  to September? Maybe, maybe not, but if you
• 39:35
  come down even just a little bit, you still might be better
• 39:37
  than everyone else. Cole, you know, was here.
• 39:41
  Now he's coming back up and then Jakob has just been steadily
• 39:46
  going up where people kind of get confused is like they think
• 39:49
  that he's been, he's only been training for like 3 weeks.
• 39:51
  I think the important caveat in the way that he's talked about
• 39:55
  and his brothers talked about it is like uninterrupted training.
• 39:58
  So it's like there was I think that spell where he was sick for
• 40:01
  a bit, had to miss some sort of training.
• 40:02
  But the the his. Training has been going on for a
• 40:07
  little bit longer than people think and it's, I mean, I don't
• 40:13
  know. He's also someone who peaks well
• 40:15
  at the right moment. So I'm excited to to see what he
• 40:18
  puts together. What did you think pre after
• 40:20
  talking to him? He's his interviews, which is
• 40:23
  always so funny. They're always really good and
• 40:25
  you know, you have to give him a lot of credit.
• 40:27
  I think he he's, he's so good with, with interviews and I
• 40:30
  didn't have to say much and he gave me all the information I
• 40:34
  needed to know. So I didn't really have much
• 40:36
  else to ask him after I asked him that one kind of starter
• 40:40
  question. As long as you don't ask a
• 40:42
  stupid question to start off with.
• 40:44
  If you ask him, how did it feel, then he'll probably give, he'll
• 40:47
  be like, oh, good, right. But if you ask him like an
• 40:50
  actual question about his trade, which is why I said, you know,
• 40:53
  you mentioned like that. I said couple of weeks.
• 40:55
  I was being a little vague and he corrected me to 10 days.
• 40:57
  But it's like he had said in the interview, Europeans that give
• 41:00
  me an an extra 2 weeks and I will be, you know, better in the
• 41:04
  1500 as well and. Exceptionally better, is what he
• 41:08
  said. So, yeah, I think and that
• 41:11
  that's it, right? So he then immediately kind of
• 41:14
  talked about, you know, what he'd been doing and where he
• 41:17
  thought he was and how he felt the race went.
• 41:19
  And the fact that he had this choice at 600 to go, whether to
• 41:24
  go to the front and push it or continue sitting at the back and
• 41:27
  try and kick. And obviously being him, he was
• 41:29
  going to go to the front and try and push.
• 41:31
  It was, you know, he he literally said that, you know,
• 41:34
  that's obviously what if he was given that choice?
• 41:36
  That's always the choice he's going to take.
• 41:38
  So and he ran A137 in that kind of 800 to 900 sort of or yeah.
• 41:48
  So he was running, yeah, he's running pretty quick.
• 41:50
  Like he accelerated quite sharply, you know, after
• 41:54
  somewhere after, you know, around 606 fifty to go to to get
• 41:59
  up to the front and yeah, and he closed closed well, and I I was
• 42:04
  surprised he closed. So what he did not close that
• 42:06
  much faster than Ethan Strat right.
• 42:07
  So that was you know, that was slower.
• 42:10
  Sorry. So it's it's it's there.
• 42:12
  I I don't think it which is dangerous, I think for everyone
• 42:15
  else right. It really is it it does it's
• 42:19
  scary. And so I yeah, I love to see it.
• 42:21
  It makes it all the more intriguing if calls was on the
• 42:23
  upswing, which it looks like again, I think Jakob also got
• 42:26
  boxed. What I found was funny is
• 42:29
  obviously Cole out dipped Jakob by .03 of a second.
• 42:33
  So that was fantastic and it literally was on the dip.
• 42:35
  So it was brilliant to kind of have that kind of happened as
• 42:40
  well for the storyline. Jakob, couple more weeks
• 42:44
  training in the bank. How's that data point for you in
• 42:47
  the 1500 today? 10 days. 10 days.
• 42:49
  Yeah. Not two weeks, but there no, I
• 42:51
  think it's. I was forced to do a little bit
• 42:55
  more 5K specific going into Birmingham.
• 42:58
  I think I'm well served right now having trained a little bit
• 43:04
  at a lower price, creating a little bit of volume.
• 43:06
  I had a couple of good 1500 specific sessions last 10 days.
• 43:10
  Of course pace is a little bit hot from the from the start
• 43:14
  feels a little bit rusty, but then as soon as I start, you
• 43:18
  know, picking up the pace feels a little bit better, just not
• 43:22
  strong enough to to defend my position into the last turn.
• 43:26
  Yeah, you got boxed a little bit then, didn't you?
• 43:28
  And then it was, it was a struggle for you to kind of
• 43:30
  they. Gave me a chance and gave me a
• 43:32
  choice with five 600 meters to go, either I can go to the front
• 43:38
  and push from from the front or I can stay in the in the lane 2
• 43:43
  and the same powers. Of course I'm going to go to the
• 43:44
  front push from first position. It's a little bit tough and.
• 43:51
  Just not strong enough to defend my.
• 43:52
  Position. So race is a little bit messy
• 43:56
  from there on, but I think All in all it's, it's a good, good
• 44:00
  start. Get some momentum, get a little
• 44:03
  bit of rust out of the machinery.
• 44:05
  Give me 4 days and I think I I have it.
• 44:09
  So you think there's definitely more to come in Zurich then?
• 44:11
  I think, yeah, I have a tendency to respond quite well to, you
• 44:16
  know, a little bit getting a race, you know, pushing myself a
• 44:20
  little bit and getting use some energy.
• 44:24
  So I think I'll respond quite a lot to this and just have to
• 44:28
  recover and save a little bit of energy until Zurich and I think
• 44:31
  it's a little bit better. Yeah.
• 44:33
  And are you thinking like thinking ahead to the rest of
• 44:35
  the season, are you thinking about the possible double in
• 44:37
  Budapest or is that right now it?
• 44:40
  I was focusing on to this race. Now it's all about making every
• 44:45
  day count until Zurich. Hopefully a little bit better
• 44:49
  there, but because of the last couple years just have to take
• 44:53
  one race at a time, do everything as good as I can, and
• 44:56
  hopefully use the momentum as good as I can.
• 45:00
  Absolutely. All right.
• 45:01
  Well, thank you very much. Best of luck.
• 45:02
  See you in Zurich. It's kind of fun just how again,
• 45:06
  with the sort of like the way the season works and who chooses
• 45:08
  to be at what me it's, it's like we've forgotten about Cam Myers
• 45:12
  for a bit. Like he'll be back in about a
• 45:15
  couple weeks. Niels Lara's out for the season,
• 45:18
  but like to think about just the names who aren't here but will
• 45:23
  show up next year or even just in Budapest.
• 45:26
  It's so exciting. All right, we'll we'll attach
• 45:31
  Jakob's interview with Preet right after the segment.
• 45:34
  But I also want to talk about World Athletics confirming the
• 45:38
  Sebco super invites for the ultimate champs.
• 45:42
  So both Josh and Jacob have been added to the 1500.
• 45:48
  So the field has expanded from 12 to 13, and they're adding
• 45:53
  another extra $5000 for 13th place just so that it's in line
• 45:58
  with all the other events. The exceptional invites were
• 46:04
  capped at one per event up until they were just like, you know
• 46:08
  what, this is too good of a match up for us to keep from the
• 46:11
  fans. And so they broke their own rule
• 46:13
  and like, hey, it was, it was the right call.
• 46:16
  All things considered. We want this.
• 46:18
  I don't think there's anyone who's upset from this news, and
• 46:23
  instead it saves us from having to do all of the crunching after
• 46:28
  the Diamond League final to determine whether or not or
• 46:32
  explain to a fan. Oh yeah, actually, Jakob would
• 46:34
  have been fine no matter what. So it cuts that whole part out.
• 46:38
  And now we're getting Josh versus Jakob for the fourth time
• 46:43
  since Budapest. Josh is 2 and one against Jakob
• 46:47
  since the last time that they raced on this track.
• 46:51
  And yeah, it I mean, like we said before, their fitness is
• 46:54
  just coming together at a very interesting point.
• 46:57
  Do you have give the edge to one over the other right now, Kyle?
• 47:01
  Josh what? Do you mean?
• 47:04
  I I think you're over rating the like dip in fitness.
• 47:09
  Like I'm sure he took like a week or two relatively easy and
• 47:12
  is right back into it. And like, if he needed any
• 47:14
  motivation, this is some good motivation for sure.
• 47:19
  But I, I like when I saw this news, I laughed.
• 47:23
  That was just so funny because they were, they were writing the
• 47:25
  rules. They definitely were like, all
• 47:27
  right. And just just in case, we'll
• 47:29
  like make up the Sebco rule and we'll just say we can do
• 47:32
  whatever we want. And then immediately, like year
• 47:35
  one, there's already a situation that they're like, man, I guess
• 47:38
  we have to like make an even crazier rule that says it's just
• 47:43
  legitimately we can do whatever we want.
• 47:46
  But to your point, this is just what we want, like everyone.
• 47:50
  So it's kind of nice for World Athletics to be outside of the
• 47:56
  parameters of the IOC where it's just like, yeah, it's just an
• 48:01
  entertainment product. Like what's the most
• 48:03
  entertaining thing if it's like UFCUFC doesn't have like a big
• 48:07
  qualification. And so I I've poured many words
• 48:11
  about the idea of comparing track to other sports.
• 48:17
  And like, at the end of the day, it's just about entertainment.
• 48:22
  And maybe it's not about rules. It's just about who do you want
• 48:26
  to see race each other and just throw out the rule book.
• 48:30
  Put everyone on the track that matters.
• 48:32
  Play God, play sports are give people what they want.
• 48:36
  I'm not upset. It's probably is a relatively
• 48:38
  dangerous precedent. Maybe, but by like the next time
• 48:42
  we have a World Ultimates, everyone will have moved on and
• 48:44
  forgotten. Jim Mocker Tanberry gets the
• 48:46
  other one in the high jump. And then they gave a few others
• 48:50
  for Hungarian athletes to compete.
• 48:53
  I was looking at the events that they added the Hungarian
• 48:55
  athletes and I was like, all right, they're not adding
• 48:57
  someone who could disrupt like the 1500 or anything like that.
• 49:00
  It was like, all right, we're going to throw one in 101 in the
• 49:04
  because there's prelims. So they added Hungarian athletes
• 49:08
  to the ones where there's rounds so that people have a home
• 49:13
  hometown hero to root for, at least, like in the first round.
• 49:17
  Yeah, No, it should be good. All right.
• 49:19
  Moving back to Celestia action, Siga Deguma won the 1500 on
• 49:25
  women's side, went from 5th to 1st over the final 100 meters,
• 49:30
  clocked a personal best and a world lead of 355.
• 49:33
  Jess Hall, second. Claudia Kasmirska, Polish
• 49:36
  National Record 35559, got rewarded because she went to the
• 49:41
  front early and you know, it's not easy to run from there.
• 49:48
  And so it was good to see her deliver for all the fans that
• 49:51
  were out in attendance for her. There were three lead changes in
• 49:56
  that final lap. He had Dorcas Ewoi at the front
• 49:58
  with 200 to go. Jess Hall took over and then
• 50:02
  none of them could hold off Siga Deguma closing it.
• 50:07
  It's funny because as much as we want Emmanuel Agnoni to like
• 50:12
  make the move from the 800 to the 1500, we're seeing it on the
• 50:16
  women's side. You have Siga Deguma making that
• 50:20
  transition. I guess like it's still TBD if
• 50:22
  she's 100% into this event. Preach.
• 50:25
  She's in for the Zurich 800 that everyone else is running as
• 50:28
  well. I don't know.
• 50:32
  There was some talk of that. Let me see, I've got the the
• 50:35
  announced athletes here. She's not in the list of
• 50:39
  confirmed athletes for that at the moment.
• 50:42
  It's just the five kind of big names.
• 50:44
  So I don't think she is. But regardless, like Deguma
• 50:52
  probably did it an assessment of how things are going in the 800
• 50:56
  right now. You see Audrey Guerrero is
• 51:00
  clicking off, you know, 150 threes, 150 fours.
• 51:04
  And then you've got Femka, you've got Keely, you've got
• 51:08
  Georgia. Then last week also, you also
• 51:11
  have faith to big on announcing that she's done for the track
• 51:14
  season. We might see her in a road race
• 51:16
  later on, but with that being an opening and you still don't know
• 51:22
  what Georgia is gonna do for ultimate champs.
• 51:26
  Like a performance like this tells you the king of move up is
• 51:31
  on this. Podcast right here.
• 51:33
  That's me and Andres Almgren. All right, King of Move Up.
• 51:36
  But yeah, you're seeing this and you're like, she listens to Kyle
• 51:40
  Murphy. More people should Deguma,
• 51:43
  though, does need another 1500 to qualify.
• 51:46
  She only has four performances so far.
• 51:48
  Presume the Diamond League final.
• 51:50
  Yeah, so. But just if you're wondering
• 51:52
  maybe why she wouldn't run an 800, it's like you got to go run
• 51:56
  another 15. Yeah, it works.
• 51:59
  You know what I'm just going to like I want to give like you're
• 52:03
  a good person. A ward out to Jess Hall, who got
• 52:06
  like hawked down the last second and within like a moment of
• 52:09
  cross the finish line was like so pumped for Takuma.
• 52:12
  And it's just like, I don't know, you're a better person
• 52:14
  than me. I would have been upset that
• 52:17
  like an 800 runner has moved up and like just beating me at the
• 52:21
  last second and. This is a good showing for Jess,
• 52:24
  like because she's had so many of these Hawk Downs this year
• 52:27
  that I think like, it's a step forward, I think for where she
• 52:30
  wants to be in the season. Yeah, I mean, it's a season's
• 52:32
  best. She ran really strong and
• 52:34
  everything. I think like there, it's just
• 52:40
  she's had a lot of seconds and she was it was right there.
• 52:46
  So all that to say is, again, like how quickly she was able to
• 52:50
  turn around and be excited for someone else, I don't know.
• 52:54
  They don't they don't make them like that in America.
• 52:57
  That's not how we operate, but I shout out Claudia for just
• 53:04
  making this just an intentional like from the very beginning, it
• 53:08
  just decided we're we're having it ourselves a day and then like
• 53:14
  remember when sub four got you something?
• 53:18
  Yeah, 357 gets you 9th now in an average Diamond League.
• 53:22
  It's. Good news for them is that the
• 53:24
  Championship qualifying window for 2027 is now open and so I
• 53:27
  think nine women in this field have already checked the box and
• 53:31
  they're good to go for Beijing next year.
• 53:34
  There's going to be yeah, there's going to be some really
• 53:37
  fast women left out of this 1500 Yeah, ultimate.
• 53:41
  Who's on the bubble or on the outside looking in right now if
• 53:43
  you have the Rose? Solomee Afonso, Linden Hall,
• 53:47
  Claudia Hollingsworth, Patricia Silva, Gabbija Galvidet.
• 53:51
  Working as Michelle A Gabriella Dubois.
• 53:55
  Both Stafford sisters actually are They're next to each other.
• 53:59
  I like that. Sinclair, Sarah Healy.
• 54:02
  Like it's really, but I don't believe the road to tool updates
• 54:09
  until Wednesday. Yeah.
• 54:11
  Yeah, they've removed a couple of people who've who've rejected
• 54:15
  their invites, but they haven't updated for the for, for yet for
• 54:19
  this weekend's races. And the other thing to note is
• 54:22
  the qualifying window is until Monday, so it's the 31st of
• 54:28
  August. So any meetings that, sorry
• 54:30
  until the 1st of September. So any meetings that happen,
• 54:33
  obviously Zurich, but then anything that happens over the
• 54:35
  weekend, there's quite a few meetings on sort of Sunday
• 54:40
  around Europe that will potentially impact things.
• 54:45
  But yeah, that the the window then closes.
• 54:48
  It doesn't include the Diamond League final other than for the
• 54:51
  Diamond League wild card. Oh.
• 54:55
  That's an. That's an interesting caveat
• 54:57
  that I hadn't realized in terms of the dates.
• 55:00
  Yes, yeah. So and the Diamond League wild
• 55:03
  card is a little bit of a funny one because it's effectively
• 55:05
  whoever comes, we talked about the last week, whoever comes
• 55:08
  highest in the Diamond League that isn't already in the
• 55:10
  ultimates, which is not in, in general, it's actually nobody.
• 55:14
  But in in a couple of cases there might be someone.
• 55:17
  We have to find the field where it's like all right, eight out
• 55:20
  of the 9 competitors are already qualified and this person just
• 55:23
  showing up is going to be assured a spot at Ultimates.
• 55:26
  Yeah, Yeah. I think, I think it might be, it
• 55:30
  might well happen. I think it might be in some of
• 55:32
  the in like the 5K or the it's either going to be the 5K or the
• 55:37
  fifteens where that could happen to someone.
• 55:42
  Yeah, it's, I mean, so back to the this field.
• 55:46
  Quick kudos to Emily Mackay who was running towards the front of
• 55:52
  the pack. And then there was a moment
• 55:54
  where like she almost hit the ground because Burka Hylam like
• 55:58
  lost her balance or something like that and nearly took both
• 56:02
  of them out. But Emily kept her composure and
• 56:07
  ends up running 35624. That's her fastest performance
• 56:11
  since the 35590 that she had at the 2024 US Olympic Trials
• 56:18
  runner up finish and already a whole second faster than she ran
• 56:22
  last year. So when we start to think of the
• 56:25
  US 1500 picture, Nikki, you know, had been on a tear at the
• 56:30
  US Championships at the Pre Classic, had a little bit of a
• 56:35
  rough showing in this one. But you know, I think that
• 56:38
  they're I think you can always give a lot of these American
• 56:42
  athletes the first race in Europe after travelling a little
• 56:47
  bit of grace. But for some others, they they
• 56:50
  hit a home run like Emily did. So this was, I mean, the US
• 56:55
  having Emily and Nikki in Budapest is gonna be, that's a
• 56:59
  strong one too for sure. But yeah, no, seven of the 9
• 57:04
  athletes in this field ran a world lead or seasons best or
• 57:07
  national record. So that was a really, really fun
• 57:09
  race. Want to touch on the sprints
• 57:13
  really quick before we go over to Lausanne. 400 hurdles.
• 57:16
  Allison Dossantos improved his own world lead to 4643, Beat
• 57:20
  Carson Moorholm for the fourth time this season.
• 57:22
  Those two guys plus Rye will be in the 400 hurdles in Budapest.
• 57:28
  Rye. Benjamin confirming that he's
• 57:29
  going to be going after the Double after running a personal
• 57:34
  best of 4383 for 2nd place behind Colin Kevin A Shippy in
• 57:40
  the men's 400. Rye now I think he puts him at
• 57:45
  90 seconds combined for his PRS between the two and I'm like got
• 57:49
  to break 90 at some point. That'd be really cool to see to
• 57:52
  combine both of those, both of those PRS.
• 57:56
  But Ryze double, it's a tough one because I think it's what
• 58:01
  it's 400 first on day one, then the 400 final on day 2 with the
• 58:07
  400 hurdles semi final like 90 minutes later and then the next
• 58:13
  day you have the 400 hurdles final.
• 58:17
  So he's so Dos Santos and Warholm will not get a fresh
• 58:21
  Rye. I'm already making the excuse
• 58:23
  for why Rye may not win, but if he does, that's $300,000.
• 58:29
  Pretty great showing. If you come away with both
• 58:32
  victories, kind of makes up for the fact that there's no medals
• 58:35
  at the Ultimate Championships. I think many of these people are
• 58:38
  are content with the payday that they're going to get.
• 58:41
  Which would you rather? Yeah, I love that he's doubling.
• 58:44
  I just I, I like hell yeah. US taking every spot we can.
• 58:52
  It's going to be. I was trying to think like,
• 58:55
  which countries? Who's like the most competitive
• 58:58
  country that is just not going to be represented at all?
• 59:02
  Oh, good question. What do you think?
• 59:05
  Preet, Italy. No, they'll have.
• 59:09
  No, but no, she's not running. And Tanberry.
• 59:13
  But they do have Tanberry, yeah. Yeah, but you won't have like
• 59:16
  Marcel Jacobs. I think Jacobs is in because
• 59:19
  he's 1616, Yeah. So he is.
• 59:22
  I don't know if he's injured and he won't be running, but he he
• 59:25
  is in. But Tanberry will be there, so
• 59:27
  they'll. So that I'm going to look into
• 59:29
  seeing like which like huge country just doesn't have
• 59:33
  anyone. And I think it will, like Spain
• 59:40
  is going to have like a few Germany, there's no
• 59:43
  steeplechase. They'll have like a few
• 59:46
  athletes. I guess you have field events to
• 59:49
  fill in the blanks. But like sometimes some of these
• 59:50
  countries that have like massive track and field programs, Yeah,
• 59:59
  we'll figure out. We'll do.
• 1:00:00
  We'll crunch the numbers. When we gave kudos to Kajalchi's
• 1:00:05
  range, I think you got to do the same thing with Rye in the
• 1:00:09
  sprints. Rye's now run 10 O three in the
• 1:00:12
  100, which I feel like you get him in the right race at the
• 1:00:14
  right time of the year. He's a sub ten guy. 1999 for
• 1:00:18
  200-4383 for 400-4617 for 400 hurdles.
• 1:00:23
  He's the Yomi Kagelcho of the sprints.
• 1:00:26
  Gotta do an 8. Oh yeah, that would be fun to
• 1:00:29
  see. I, I, I did, I did hear him say
• 1:00:33
  he will never do an 8 hundreds because he doesn't.
• 1:00:37
  He's seen people train for the 800 and he is not doing that.
• 1:00:42
  All right, who would you take in an 800 right, or Vernon Norwood?
• 1:00:50
  I think Vernon was actually thinking about doing it.
• 1:00:52
  Yeah, I know. That's why I'm like Vernon, just
• 1:00:55
  having a little bit more of a commitment to the event.
• 1:00:57
  That might be a different. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:00
  If you want it, you got to. You got to want it 600 meters
• 1:01:03
  in. Yeah.
• 1:01:05
  Women's 400. Marlady Paulino won 4887 fifth
• 1:01:09
  Diamond League win of the season.
• 1:01:11
  Oblique. Seville won the men's hundred
• 1:01:14
  983 against over Kenny Benaric. That one actually was pretty fun
• 1:01:19
  to watch. All nine athletes in that field
• 1:01:22
  broke 10 seconds. That's a record for the most
• 1:01:24
  depth in a single race. Men's won 10.
• 1:01:28
  Hurdles probably will never be surpassed, although one of the
• 1:01:35
  Chinese diamond leagues I think has a 10 lane 100m.
• 1:01:39
  But it's so early in the season, no one's breaking 10.
• 1:01:41
  It's too early and they always put someone who's not going sub
• 1:01:45
  10 in the 10th lane. Hey, they could do it with 10
• 1:01:48
  robots. All right, do the robot segment.
• 1:01:57
  All right let's just briefly talk about this robot.
• 1:02:00
  It was a humanoid robot named lightning built by smartphone
• 1:02:05
  maker honor. It ran 932 at this test event.
• 1:02:11
  The world humanoid robot games and it hit hit a peak speed of
• 1:02:15
  14 five bolts world record 958 from Berlin was broken 'cause
• 1:02:21
  this robot goes 932 the day before there was another clip of
• 1:02:24
  another robot going and it absolutely just like exploded
• 1:02:28
  when it hit the wall. But this then they came back
• 1:02:33
  another day later and it this one got the job done.
• 1:02:37
  But there were 2000 robots at this event, 51 events, 1000
• 1:02:42
  competitions across five days. But yeah, it's, it's making the
• 1:02:48
  rounds on social media. It it's kind of stupid, but I
• 1:02:54
  enjoy watching all of them. I mean the if you combine the
• 1:02:59
  acceleration of the red one with the closing speed of lightning
• 1:03:04
  we got sub 9. Yeah, maybe.
• 1:03:09
  Well, I just found. What are the rules of what
• 1:03:12
  qualifies as a robot? Like, is it the idea?
• 1:03:17
  It's like you have to have two legs, can't have?
• 1:03:21
  Someone have like 4? Obviously have wheels, then it's
• 1:03:24
  going to like obviously things they have like the the wheeled
• 1:03:28
  robot that does the video for each of the 100 meter races that
• 1:03:31
  has to go faster than 100m runners.
• 1:03:33
  Yeah. Is that a robot?
• 1:03:35
  Like no I think. This is a different category.
• 1:03:37
  Is that a robot? These are humanoids.
• 1:03:40
  I guess there's there's like a whole different category for
• 1:03:42
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• 1:03:45
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  This guy can do anything lightning.
• 1:04:02
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• 1:04:05
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• 1:04:08
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  All right, let's go to Lazanne. Actually wait, the women's
• 1:05:58
  hundred in Celestia. This one was pretty hyped up
• 1:06:02
  because you had Shakira Richardson, Melissa Jefferson
• 1:06:06
  Wooden and Julian Offord going head to head.
• 1:06:08
  And I guess the state of track Twitter right now is there's a
• 1:06:14
  10 second clip of Shakari and Melissa Jefferson doing block
• 1:06:19
  starts. And people will take that and
• 1:06:22
  then just talk like, oh, this person looked better than this
• 1:06:25
  person. This is what you can expect to
• 1:06:27
  see in the race and you get to actual race day.
• 1:06:32
  And Shakari actually on social media pretty open about the fact
• 1:06:36
  that she didn't have a good race.
• 1:06:38
  And so get that one out of the way.
• 1:06:39
  She finishes third. Julian Alfred versus Melissa
• 1:06:42
  Jefferson is I think what a lot of people have been, you know,
• 1:06:46
  kind of clamoring over. And with a little bit of more
• 1:06:49
  time between races since the last time the the two of them
• 1:06:53
  faced off, maybe some people would lean towards picking
• 1:06:56
  Julian. But MJW just reasserted herself
• 1:07:00
  as like no, she's still the one another victory and took
• 1:07:05
  extended her winning streak. 1078 Julian Alfred did clock a
• 1:07:09
  season's best of 1083 and then Shakira was third in 1096.
• 1:07:13
  Is if we were to do the Sidious power rankings, does this race
• 1:07:19
  me and Melissa's number one overall?
• 1:07:23
  What is Messiah still going to be upset at us is the question.
• 1:07:29
  You can't let athletes opinions influence your vote.
• 1:07:32
  I think, I think so. I think Melissa's number one
• 1:07:36
  because she's undefeated still. And like you have to, I don't
• 1:07:40
  know, I feel like we did this the first time where you take
• 1:07:42
  into account the depth or like the prestige of an event.
• 1:07:46
  Like the 100 is track and field everyone.
• 1:07:49
  I don't know, is that controversial to say like is the
• 1:07:52
  most important event in track field, men's and women's
• 1:07:55
  hundred. So being the being dominant, can
• 1:08:01
  you say dominant? I'd say dominant, yes.
• 1:08:03
  In like the premier event of track and fields, I feel like
• 1:08:07
  that puts you at #1. Yeah, pre would you disagree?
• 1:08:11
  Would you put Lightning the robot at #1?
• 1:08:14
  Wait, are we doing combined men and women or just?
• 1:08:17
  Women, this is. The power rankings of like that
• 1:08:19
  we did with the 25. Best just track.
• 1:08:21
  Athletes. Track athletes, yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Just track probably, but I, yeah, I, yeah, I think it's
• 1:08:31
  still yeah. Or is it Josh?
• 1:08:34
  No, Josh is only two for two. Think about the number of times
• 1:08:38
  Melissa has gone out there and the if you're assessing quality
• 1:08:42
  of of the fields like. Josh beat everyone ever.
• 1:08:49
  In history, he beat Elgar Rouge. Yeah, And I, I, it's hard to win
• 1:09:00
  that much over 100 and she obviously has lost over 200 this
• 1:09:05
  year. But which I think in a way
• 1:09:12
  unfortunately like that almost takes away from it a little bit.
• 1:09:16
  Maybe maybe that that kind of then gives someone else an
• 1:09:20
  opportunity. I don't know whether it's enough
• 1:09:22
  of a window, but. Oh, Paulino could have a case.
• 1:09:30
  Paulino would have a case. When I first did this, I was
• 1:09:34
  very high on Colin and everyone was like Kyle, you can't put
• 1:09:38
  Kevin a chippy. Like I think I was like top
• 1:09:40
  three or something. And now?
• 1:09:43
  Now I think so 'cause he, yeah, he's a.
• 1:09:47
  Pretty strong argument. Audrey Werro where OK Guerra's
• 1:09:54
  at least top three. I can think of seven people who
• 1:09:58
  are at least top three. Well, The thing is, is, yeah,
• 1:10:04
  Melissa's unbeaten in the 100 and the number of times that
• 1:10:07
  she's gone out there, when you look at just sort of like who
• 1:10:10
  else is the and the world leader in their respective events, not
• 1:10:14
  everyone is undefeated, even when Yoni's got a blemish on his
• 1:10:19
  record with like, Yeah. When Yoni's not had the same
• 1:10:23
  kind of season that he's no kind of had in previous years.
• 1:10:26
  So I don't think, I don't think he's up there, but.
• 1:10:29
  Yeah, in the Manuma kind of building a case for herself.
• 1:10:33
  Not, not, not. That far up though.
• 1:10:34
  No, not that far up, but maybe top 15.
• 1:10:39
  No anyway. But yeah, All right, so let's
• 1:10:41
  move over to Lausanne then. Americans go 234 in the 5K.
• 1:10:47
  Burhanu Ballewoo won in 1257, holding off Parker Wolf, Nico
• 1:10:53
  Young, Graham Blanks, Grant Fisher, who might still be
• 1:10:57
  dealing with a little bit of that foot injury post Usas ended
• 1:10:59
  up 11th in 13 O 7. Although did you see that?
• 1:11:03
  Upon further review, he did step in on the inside of the rail at
• 1:11:07
  one point in the race and probably enough grounds for a
• 1:11:12
  DQ. So if you want this expunged
• 1:11:14
  from your record, you could just self report yourself and be
• 1:11:16
  like, you know what? I don't want this one on my
• 1:11:18
  record. But anyways, still 1113 O 7.
• 1:11:22
  But this one, it's funny to try and dub.
• 1:11:26
  This is like a preview of the 2028 US Olympic Trials in the
• 1:11:30
  5K, because I think everyone is forgetting the fact that the
• 1:11:35
  reigning world champion in in this event is not in the race.
• 1:11:39
  But still three of three of the best three of the guys who
• 1:11:44
  skipped Usas to specifically target this part of the European
• 1:11:49
  track season. And by the time we got to like a
• 1:11:52
  mile into this race, they were 1234 and they for the most part
• 1:12:00
  held on strong. For Parker Wolf like this is his
• 1:12:05
  first full pro season and his best Diamond League finish, Nico
• 1:12:09
  Young racing for the first time in about like 3 months puts
• 1:12:14
  together this showing. Another very encouraging sign.
• 1:12:17
  And then Grand Blancs is right there.
• 1:12:20
  I think he's 6th, 6th, 2nd, 4th in his four Diamond League
• 1:12:26
  appearances, all sub 13. I think I pulled the stat on
• 1:12:30
  Twitter that he's the first American to go sub 13 outdoors
• 1:12:35
  four times in a single season. Previously, I think Chris
• 1:12:38
  Zelensky had done it in 2010 three times.
• 1:12:40
  But Graham I think has an opportunity to go to do this at
• 1:12:44
  least like two more times with the Diamond League final.
• 1:12:47
  And then if the ultimate champs is a sub 13 team race, which we
• 1:12:50
  haven't seen at championships in a while, but yeah, for this one,
• 1:12:57
  it was winnable. I would say for Parker Wolf, he
• 1:13:00
  just like last the last lap just kind of didn't he was didn't
• 1:13:06
  have it. He was boxed on the final turn,
• 1:13:08
  couldn't respond. But All in all, I think you can
• 1:13:12
  be pretty happy with how this race turned out.
• 1:13:15
  What do you seem like in the Knicks zone pre?
• 1:13:19
  Yeah, I think he was, he was pretty happy with it.
• 1:13:21
  Yeah, he, I think he said the same like he, he was a little
• 1:13:23
  booked. So he didn't actually get out to
• 1:13:25
  actually respond to to Baloo's move.
• 1:13:27
  But I think he was, he was pretty pleased with with where
• 1:13:31
  things were at. Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  But yeah, he didn't, didn't say a huge amount.
• 1:13:35
  But yeah, I think, I think pleased to, to have done what
• 1:13:37
  he's done. And, and you know, he didn't, I,
• 1:13:40
  I sort of asked him about the 5K10K kind of Olympic trials
• 1:13:43
  thing and he didn't, he wasn't as kind of clear cut about it as
• 1:13:48
  as I think Grant Fisher was. All right, Parker, great race
• 1:13:54
  for you there. Sub 13 kicked in second place.
• 1:13:57
  How did it feel? Yeah, it felt pretty tough.
• 1:14:00
  At the beginning, like it felt hot, felt like it was a long way
• 1:14:02
  to go, but we we stayed tough, especially in those middle laps
• 1:14:06
  and I closed really well. I was just boxed in a little
• 1:14:08
  bit. So, you know, tactical things to
• 1:14:10
  work on, but. Can't be too mad about second.
• 1:14:12
  We're we're moving up. Yeah, and, and obviously you
• 1:14:15
  beat all the Americans, which is probably a probably a good thing
• 1:14:18
  looking ahead to making teams and stuff.
• 1:14:20
  So how? How did that feel?
• 1:14:22
  No, I felt. Great, like it's it's great to
• 1:14:23
  compete against my country mates and really I came here to get
• 1:14:26
  the international feel like, you know, race the guys I've never
• 1:14:29
  raced before and so I think I did that pretty well.
• 1:14:32
  Couple things to work on here and there.
• 1:14:33
  But you know, we get we get some racing now to fix it.
• 1:14:35
  So I'm really excited. Yeah, obviously it slowed a
• 1:14:37
  little bit in the middle laps, but which, you know, does or
• 1:14:40
  doesn't happen at a Diamond League.
• 1:14:42
  It's a bit unusual. But yeah, I mean, how did it
• 1:14:44
  kind of feel like? Obviously a little chilly here
• 1:14:46
  in low sand as well today. Little bit of wind on the back
• 1:14:48
  straight again. Yeah.
• 1:14:49
  It definitely was windy. I felt bad for my training
• 1:14:51
  partner Nico taking the brunt of it, so I knew he's going to slow
• 1:14:56
  down a little bit in those middle laps and really I just
• 1:14:58
  was able to regain. I know it was tough with the
• 1:15:01
  wind and just get ready for a big kick and it was just kind of
• 1:15:03
  a long drawn out and then a good punch with 200 to go and wheels
• 1:15:07
  are there, that's for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:15:09
  And and obviously one question because I was trying to grind
• 1:15:11
  about it beforehand, Olympic trial schedules out, 10K is
• 1:15:14
  going to be separate, 5K is going to be a straight final.
• 1:15:17
  How you feeling about all of that?
• 1:15:19
  Yeah, I mean, I haven't looked too much into it.
• 1:15:21
  I I always love rounds in the 5K.
• 1:15:23
  It shows like the strongest guys.
• 1:15:24
  Will be there. But, you know, I'm just, I'm
• 1:15:27
  just excited to race, you know, I, I think next year it's going
• 1:15:29
  to be a lot of. Fun I know in.
• 1:15:30
  Two years from now, it's going to be even more fun with the
• 1:15:32
  home Olympics, so this is all just getting ready for those
• 1:15:35
  getting ready to go. And what have you got planned
• 1:15:37
  for the rest of the season now? I think maybe one more,
• 1:15:40
  hopefully Zurich Diamond League in a few days and then hopefully
• 1:15:43
  try to get into a Diamond League final slash World Ultimates.
• 1:15:46
  And kind of see. Where we go from there?
• 1:15:48
  Brilliant bro. Well done on today Question C in
• 1:15:50
  Zurich. Yeah, Grant was not a fan of
• 1:15:53
  separating the 10K and 5K from a trials because, I mean, he's
• 1:15:57
  been successful in 2024. He pulled off making both teams
• 1:16:01
  at those at those trials. But I don't know, I think you're
• 1:16:06
  going to see these faces plus maybe one or two guys who are
• 1:16:11
  maybe not quite on our radar. A A Rocky Hanson, if he stays
• 1:16:15
  healthy, could insert himself into this conversation pretty
• 1:16:19
  quickly. But Kyle, I guess like, what did
• 1:16:23
  you think of Parker's execution in this one?
• 1:16:27
  Yeah, I mean, I was, I think we were debating afterwards, like
• 1:16:31
  is Parker the top 5K guy in the US now?
• 1:16:35
  Like for 2026, I guess you have Cole, but he hasn't raced.
• 1:16:41
  But versus Nico, Graham and Grant, no one's beaten him this
• 1:16:45
  year. It's sort of similar to the
• 1:16:47
  thinking which is I meant to bring up before, is Ethan Strand
• 1:16:50
  the top US 1500 guy? He's beaten Cole the last three
• 1:16:54
  times that they've gone head to head in 1500.
• 1:16:56
  Yeah, but he hasn't raced yared, has he?
• 1:16:59
  No. So, but yeah, I mean, look, you
• 1:17:05
  and C Mike Smith. Mike Smith, what a coach, kind
• 1:17:16
  of like my grandfather coach, if you think about it, got a coach
• 1:17:23
  at me. But yeah, I mean, just like go
• 1:17:30
  back in time and show people what the US is doing in the 1500
• 1:17:34
  and 5K right now. It just still seems surreal.
• 1:17:37
  And I'll just say it every week. It's so cool.
• 1:17:41
  Like I, I, the only thing was Parker never made a move to
• 1:17:47
  swing wide. I said afterwards I was like, we
• 1:17:49
  got to get Parker in a few more 1500s to just work on navigating
• 1:17:52
  through these fields at fast paces because it's not even like
• 1:17:56
  it was that crowded to be boxed in.
• 1:17:59
  It wasn't like there was like 8 guys on top of him like and I,
• 1:18:03
  I, I don't know if he had enough to to beat Balu, but like he had
• 1:18:09
  enough to run him a little closer.
• 1:18:11
  He just got caught so. Look 55, not that crazy.
• 1:18:16
  He probably had a little bit more.
• 1:18:18
  Yeah, he had a little bit more. I don't know.
• 1:18:20
  I don't know if he could have got him, but he didn't set
• 1:18:22
  himself up to do it. But you know what?
• 1:18:24
  You you finish a close second in Lusan and next time out you go,
• 1:18:28
  all right, I gotta win this. And maybe you take that risk and
• 1:18:31
  get outside a little bit earlier before the last 100 meters.
• 1:18:36
  So it's awesome. It was great, good momentum.
• 1:18:40
  I think he's the best 5K guy in the US right now just based off
• 1:18:43
  of no one has beaten him but it changes every week.
• 1:18:48
  And Preet, correct me if I'm wrong, he's not in the Road to
• 1:18:51
  the World Ultimates because he needs one more 5K performance
• 1:18:54
  for now. Yes, I think that's right.
• 1:18:57
  Let's have a look. So run the DL final and you
• 1:19:01
  should be good, especially if everyone else in the field is
• 1:19:05
  already qualified. Yes, yeah, that's right.
• 1:19:09
  Cool. All right, 800 when Yoni wins in
• 1:19:13
  Lausanne. And I mean, with 150 meters to
• 1:19:17
  go, you're kind of just looking all over the place being like,
• 1:19:21
  all right, looks like Marco Arope is going backwards because
• 1:19:25
  he did go through 400 in an aggressive.
• 1:19:27
  Was it 49 one? Yeah, 49 one.
• 1:19:31
  Yeah, I, I mean, so fast. The pacer was a little bit ahead
• 1:19:35
  of him, but it was such an assertive move that it did end
• 1:19:39
  up costing him. But you had a challenge from
• 1:19:43
  when Yoni, from Sajadi, from Brandon Miller, everyone, every
• 1:19:48
  heavy hitter was in it. And it was when Yoni, who I, I
• 1:19:54
  guess like kind of weird that it took all the way until end of
• 1:19:57
  August for him to get his first Diamond League 800 victory of
• 1:20:00
  the year. But he wins in 142 And yeah,
• 1:20:07
  first 800 Diamond League victory of the year because he did have
• 1:20:10
  that one K earlier. But Zejati looks like he's
• 1:20:15
  turning a corner in terms. Of Zejati looked so good. 13 one
• 1:20:20
  for his final 100 versus when he was 13.
• 1:20:22
  Three. I know he he struggles with some
• 1:20:25
  injuries every now and then, but like, man, as he bounced back,
• 1:20:30
  it does not take him very long to get in shape.
• 1:20:32
  I thought he was going to steal it the way he kind of swung wide
• 1:20:35
  there. Yeah, that was look, and if you
• 1:20:40
  don't follow Marco out at 49 one, it does kind of make you
• 1:20:45
  look like you're flying the end of the race as people come back
• 1:20:49
  to you and. I think the the cool thing that
• 1:20:52
  we appreciate about Marco is that he uses these Diamond
• 1:20:55
  League races as regular season races where he's open to trying
• 1:21:00
  shit like this to learn from it. He's like, all right, I guess I
• 1:21:03
  can't really go out in 49 one and hold on.
• 1:21:07
  Although the way he soloed the Canadian championships was very
• 1:21:11
  impressive. It all just kind of depends on
• 1:21:13
  the day. And he's not in Zurich, right
• 1:21:18
  Pre? I don't believe so.
• 1:21:20
  He was originally on the list, but he's disappeared.
• 1:21:22
  There's two lists, he's disappeared from one of them, so
• 1:21:25
  it's a bit unclear, but I don't think he is.
• 1:21:27
  And what he said was he'd had a little procedure after that race
• 1:21:30
  in Canada, which is why we didn't see him after that for a
• 1:21:33
  little while. I'm watching that first lap
• 1:21:36
  being like that. Whatever this procedure was, it
• 1:21:38
  must have been like so cool because like he, he looked
• 1:21:42
  incredible. But that was only the first lap.
• 1:21:45
  Well, no, he said he was in the shape of his life now.
• 1:21:47
  They went through him 49 one and that is because he wanted to go
• 1:21:50
  for the he was trying to go for the world record and to get the
• 1:21:53
  world record. Rhodesia split was 49 two in his
• 1:21:57
  in his world record race. So I think the assumption I
• 1:22:02
  think is it has to be that hot in the first lap to actually get
• 1:22:05
  the world record. You know, they can go through in
• 1:22:08
  49549 seven and run a 141, but to actually get a 140, I think
• 1:22:15
  that's the thinking to actually push on to a 140, they will need
• 1:22:18
  to run a faction faster in the first half and that's what
• 1:22:24
  that's what kills you not unfortunately.
• 1:22:27
  A run like this kind of only makes me appreciate just a bit
• 1:22:29
  more and more just how good Cooper's run was back in in Oslo
• 1:22:34
  when he ran 142 O 8. I mean, yeah, I still think
• 1:22:39
  about that one. It might be my Roman Empire of
• 1:22:41
  the 2026 season. All right, then on the women's
• 1:22:45
  800 side, you had Audrey Wearo winning in one 5533 in front of
• 1:22:51
  a home crowd, holding off Fem Kabul by .18, slightly smaller
• 1:22:57
  margin than the European Championships.
• 1:22:59
  I put out this tweet that and I'm getting a lot of discussion.
• 1:23:03
  And then when we made the graphic on Instagram, Kyle, you
• 1:23:06
  were instantly like, that's going to be a controversial
• 1:23:08
  graphic, but the comment section is going to be great when we
• 1:23:10
  posted it. And it was because the thing
• 1:23:14
  that people take away from it is femka is getting faster.
• 1:23:18
  Audrey Werro, I'm not going to say it's getting slower.
• 1:23:21
  She's just still winning the races, just not as fast as she
• 1:23:25
  did earlier in the season. And honestly, like, I think back
• 1:23:27
  to our podcast right after that meet and Preet, you may have
• 1:23:31
  been the one who was like, could this have been it?
• 1:23:33
  Like for the season, the fastest you go like there's no
• 1:23:35
  guarantees you like she and so far, like she hasn't gone faster
• 1:23:39
  than that than that race. Maybe in certain cases like the
• 1:23:43
  pacer and all that stuff doesn't dictate it, but for this one, I
• 1:23:47
  think my takeaways are Audrey Guerra.
• 1:23:51
  Still incredible. The Femka Bowl is making these
• 1:23:56
  leaps in fitness and in, you know, race tactics and knowledge
• 1:24:02
  that it's just kind of making it more and more enticing like this
• 1:24:06
  learning curve. I don't think anyone has been
• 1:24:07
  able to clear it as fast as as Femka has.
• 1:24:10
  And so she ends up running 15541 gets the Dutch national record
• 1:24:15
  after having tied it at the European Championships.
• 1:24:18
  It was a 55 three for the first lap, 60 seconds for the second,
• 1:24:22
  second one. But yeah, coming off of three
• 1:24:26
  races in four days, the British listeners will put an asterisk
• 1:24:31
  to Audrey's three races in four days because they're still upset
• 1:24:37
  about the semi final home crowd pressure for Audrey hanging on
• 1:24:44
  and winning things. This thing like she, she got the
• 1:24:47
  job done and now it's on to Zurich where you're up against
• 1:24:51
  an even tougher field. Well, so two things from this
• 1:24:54
  one, what killed it? 13 flat 2nd 100 and literally we
• 1:25:00
  were standing there and as soon as we saw them go out and the
• 1:25:04
  pacer was ahead of the lights, they were miles ahead of the
• 1:25:07
  lights. And it was basically we were
• 1:25:09
  like, this is this is a kamikaze effort.
• 1:25:11
  And she did amazingly well to hold on because she went through
• 1:25:14
  in whatever it was 5055 three, but it was just way, I don't
• 1:25:20
  think that split is right, but it was yeah, 55 three.
• 1:25:23
  But it was just, it was just that second hundred that was so
• 1:25:27
  quick that it just kills your legs.
• 1:25:29
  And so that's why she was slowing in the final hundred.
• 1:25:33
  But she still had the second fastest close of anyone in the
• 1:25:35
  field. It was just that Femka closed in
• 1:25:38
  14.8, so she was .6 faster than Audrey.
• 1:25:43
  Femka closed. What was that?
• 1:25:46
  1.3 seconds quicker than anyone else in the race in that last
• 1:25:52
  100, which is wild. And that's the new thing.
• 1:25:56
  That's the new thing from Femka. That's what she's done.
• 1:25:59
  That's new, that's different. And the fact that who's able to
• 1:26:02
  do that in the quickest race that she has run isn't like
• 1:26:07
  that's what we've been waiting for in all of the experiment.
• 1:26:11
  We're like, Femka is so fast that when she can use her speed
• 1:26:15
  at the end of a race, she's going to be deadly.
• 1:26:17
  And this is a sign that it's starting to happen now that
• 1:26:23
  national record is finally all yours, all to yourself.
• 1:26:26
  You only shared it for a week. How's it feel?
• 1:26:29
  I'm so happy. I mean, to run a national record
• 1:26:32
  and a dispatch race, winning a week of the championship also
• 1:26:35
  together with the relay, it's just very promising, very nice.
• 1:26:39
  I would have loved to get the national record when Ellen
• 1:26:41
  Bolongo was there, she said. Most of the time big meets, but
• 1:26:44
  unfortunately not at this one. But I will celebrate with her in
• 1:26:47
  Syria when it's here. Brilliant.
• 1:26:50
  And I mean, obviously I think I think we did see those arms
• 1:26:52
  pumping a little bit in that last 50 meters you.
• 1:26:55
  Should have felt a bit earlier with that, no?
• 1:26:58
  Yeah, it's a work in progress. Well, no, I think you you feel
• 1:27:01
  like it did feel like you were closing quite, quite hard on
• 1:27:04
  Audrey in that last 50. So that must have felt good to
• 1:27:07
  be able to do that. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:27:10
  I mean, I think I knew myself on.
• 1:27:11
  The floor for girls to be a very fast finisher and it's been
• 1:27:14
  quite a minor change to be in the 8 of it.
• 1:27:17
  Let's put the last 50 and haven't brought the first garden
• 1:27:20
  to see this. Though it's.
• 1:27:22
  Very nice, especially the TV racial.
• 1:27:27
  Yeah. And and obviously like that
• 1:27:29
  first, like when it went out, it went out a little fast and it
• 1:27:32
  looked like you kind of ended up just behind the pacer instead of
• 1:27:36
  Audrey and then she sort of came round you.
• 1:27:38
  So how was that Like for a moment?
• 1:27:39
  You you might have been at the front of that.
• 1:27:43
  Like when I talk with my coach now through the race, we talk
• 1:27:46
  for every scenario, we talk about my favorite one, but also
• 1:27:49
  general points. And I always know I have to be
• 1:27:51
  ready to be also from. I'm a fast starter.
• 1:27:53
  I want a good position. But I also felt Audrey next to
• 1:27:57
  me that she wanted it. So there was also.
• 1:27:59
  It worked perfectly. I think I need to learn these
• 1:28:01
  kind of things on the end, getting together with everyone.
• 1:28:04
  Yeah. And then I think the Ethiopian
• 1:28:06
  athlete sort of came round and maybe, you know, 5600.
• 1:28:09
  So how was that then? And then you had to kind of pass
• 1:28:12
  her again. Yeah, new, different.
• 1:28:15
  I didn't have it before and I think it was a really good
• 1:28:18
  experience. It really pushed me a lot, so it
• 1:28:21
  was nice. Thanks.
• 1:28:24
  In 1984, the Soviet Union set the 4 by 800 world record of
• 1:28:31
  750. Now, in this race, a really cool
• 1:28:36
  thing is that besides Audrey, we saw 2158 out of Switzerland and
• 1:28:42
  they've got a couple other women under 2 flat.
• 1:28:46
  It's a shame the World Relays got rid of the four by 800.
• 1:28:50
  Because imagine, I would say the favorites would probably be
• 1:28:55
  Great Britain. But like, Can you imagine a
• 1:28:58
  world in which like, Keely got the baton like a second ahead of
• 1:29:04
  Audrey? And just like Audrey just goes
• 1:29:07
  out at like 54 O and just like, holds on, maybe ends up losing.
• 1:29:12
  But like splits like 1:50 to 8:00 or I don't know.
• 1:29:15
  Like Australia also has crazy depth in the women's 800 right
• 1:29:21
  now. I don't think the US is
• 1:29:23
  necessarily super competitive based off of this season.
• 1:29:29
  Kenya wouldn't be too bad either.
• 1:29:31
  Pena wouldn't be too bad. Day.
• 1:29:33
  Ethiopia wouldn't be too. Bad hot or cold?
• 1:29:36
  Yeah. But I think you'd you'd have to
• 1:29:38
  give it to GB as the favorites. But like Switzerland with Audrey
• 1:29:44
  on anchor would be so cool. Yeah, I guess pre they end of
• 1:29:50
  the Lausanne Diamond League on a relay, right?
• 1:29:52
  Yes, yeah, I do. 4 by 1. Yeah, that was a four by one,
• 1:29:55
  yeah. So I guess it's for the.
• 1:29:57
  Stupid. Yeah, stupid didn't.
• 1:30:00
  Mean anything? Yeah.
• 1:30:02
  I shut it off. Then there's a firework show,
• 1:30:06
  right? Yeah, the firework show is
• 1:30:08
  pretty cool. But yeah, and the light show and
• 1:30:10
  like, they turned off the lights and yeah, it was, it was your
• 1:30:13
  whole trophy presentation, everything.
• 1:30:15
  I mean, unfortunately it meant that we didn't get an interview
• 1:30:17
  with Audrey and stuff like that, but it was pretty cool.
• 1:30:21
  And there was someone singing at the end as well, so yeah.
• 1:30:24
  There's. No, it was not Monday in Zurich.
• 1:30:28
  We're getting Delta Goodrem, which if you are British or
• 1:30:31
  Australian mean something. She used to be an actress on a
• 1:30:37
  television soap opera called neighbors.
• 1:30:39
  And so if you're of my generation or younger, she's
• 1:30:42
  kind of around my age, then she's quite iconic.
• 1:30:46
  And it's weirdly an Australian show that's more popular in in
• 1:30:50
  the UK than in Freet. 'S going to somehow find his way
• 1:30:54
  on the private jet with this actor.
• 1:30:56
  This this singer. No, I didn't.
• 1:31:00
  I didn't get on the the whatever the private flight to Zurich
• 1:31:03
  that's going from Poland. I've I've got my own flight but
• 1:31:07
  a regular regular flight sadly. This just brings to mind that
• 1:31:12
  you know how and so the Lausanne ends with a relay.
• 1:31:16
  If you're one of the China Diamond leagues, I think I know
• 1:31:18
  just the event you should have at the very end of your Diamond
• 1:31:22
  League next year. You have lightning out the Robot
• 1:31:27
  100. Although it did seem like what
• 1:31:30
  did Fred Curley put out some AI generated like poster of him
• 1:31:33
  facing like. Is that real?
• 1:31:35
  Or against the robot, I don't know, feels like a cash grab,
• 1:31:38
  which like seems to be the direction that he's going while
• 1:31:43
  he serves the suspension. But yeah, who knows?
• 1:31:47
  There used to be those shows where you'd have like athletes
• 1:31:50
  racing a horse and a camel and that kind of stuff.
• 1:31:54
  So we are due I think very soon for the first humanoid versus
• 1:32:00
  human race. But for now I think like this
• 1:32:05
  women's 800 is feeding families. Oh, another person from this
• 1:32:11
  race, Preet, who is Saida Teshe, the 18 year old Ethiopian who
• 1:32:16
  was like in this race, like got in Vemka's way at one point but
• 1:32:20
  held her own. She a month ago was not ran 201
• 1:32:26
  and now is all the way down to 156 fading.
• 1:32:30
  Yeah, yeah, she was incredible. Like she's supposedly 18 and she
• 1:32:35
  but we've never heard her and never seen never heard of her.
• 1:32:37
  Not really seen her before as far as I.
• 1:32:39
  Not IU 20s. She was not at you 20s, no.
• 1:32:43
  So, yeah, don't know much about her.
• 1:32:45
  But yeah, the the interesting thing was because Femka said
• 1:32:48
  afterwards, yeah, that that was something that was new to me, to
• 1:32:51
  someone like overtaking me and we having to like, overtake them
• 1:32:54
  back. And so she's also gaining
• 1:32:56
  experience and she still ran her fastest in this race despite
• 1:32:59
  having to do that, which was, again, an interesting and
• 1:33:03
  ominous sign. We we Speaking of young
• 1:33:07
  Ethiopians breaking on the scene, we kind of overlooked
• 1:33:10
  Gemechu Gadana. That's right, beating El Bakali.
• 1:33:13
  This dude came out of nowhere this year and now he's running
• 1:33:18
  802 and taking down one of the greatest steeple chasers of all
• 1:33:21
  time. I mean, what a trajectory.
• 1:33:25
  And he looked like El Bakali is a kick, like he is known for a
• 1:33:31
  kick. And Gadana made him look like he
• 1:33:35
  was standing still. So yeah, I don't know where
• 1:33:39
  Lameche is these days, but Ethiopia's got another great
• 1:33:42
  steeplechaser. And that, I guess, Diamond
• 1:33:45
  League final will be it in terms of being able to see these guys
• 1:33:50
  in action because it's not at the ultimate champs.
• 1:33:53
  And then reigning world champion George Beamish, I think, has
• 1:33:57
  called it a season. He's injured again.
• 1:34:01
  So yeah, I mean, we'll see. I mean, things are shaping up
• 1:34:05
  really nicely for Zurich and Brussels in the week in the
• 1:34:10
  weeks to come. Kyle, really quick.
• 1:34:13
  Do you want to give your coach a little bit of a shout out here?
• 1:34:17
  Galen Rut, 9th place, 6129 at the Antrim Coast Half Marathon
• 1:34:25
  on Sunday. Didn't win 9th place but that is
• 1:34:29
  the US 40 plus record. Yeah, let's go, Coach.
• 1:34:36
  I was texting with him last night at about 4:00 AM, three,
• 1:34:40
  4:00 AM because my son was awake.
• 1:34:42
  So I was just, you know. And he's awake.
• 1:34:43
  Teaching, but he was awake because he's flying back and he
• 1:34:49
  said thanks. Another positive step.
• 1:34:51
  Was hoping to run faster but it was a good race.
• 1:34:52
  That's the fastest I've run for half in six years.
• 1:34:55
  So he had said in our pod that he's training is going really
• 1:34:59
  well. This confirms it and just gives
• 1:35:03
  me confidence in what I'm doing. Most importantly says I'm.
• 1:35:07
  I'm working with the coach who's not just making things up as he
• 1:35:11
  goes. He's got experience behind him
• 1:35:13
  and yeah. All right, one more plug for
• 1:35:16
  that first podcast interview that the two of you did
• 1:35:18
  together. But what was it exactly that he
• 1:35:20
  said about the importance or how much stock he weighs into
• 1:35:23
  running half marathons in the build up?
• 1:35:25
  But he doesn't do them without much of A taper, right?
• 1:35:28
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, he highlights like
• 1:35:32
  racing is just the best way to prepare for a race.
• 1:35:37
  But yeah, I mean, I think like all marathoners, it's like a
• 1:35:41
  good indicator, but you're not going to put all your stock into
• 1:35:44
  it. He doesn't have me racing before
• 1:35:49
  Chicago, but we're planning in a quite the 20 mile tempo, so
• 1:35:54
  that's might as well be a race. Yeah.
• 1:35:58
  So as of right now, how do you feel Project 222 is going?
• 1:36:06
  I feel good. I ran 24 miles on Saturday.
• 1:36:10
  Just real some real rough shit. Yeah, that was the furthest I've
• 1:36:15
  run in quite some time. But yeah, feels like it's going
• 1:36:20
  well if you've got a lot of confidence.
• 1:36:21
  A big week of training on deck. I think we should do another
• 1:36:26
  check in maybe after this 20 mile tempo, maybe in September
• 1:36:32
  I'll I'll get him in for a little check in pot and we'll
• 1:36:35
  see what we're both doing. Pre I haven't forgotten about
• 1:36:38
  the fact that I think we said that you're going to do a park
• 1:36:40
  run before the end of the year. Yeah, I haven't got very far on
• 1:36:44
  that front because I did my back in a couple of months ago.
• 1:36:49
  So I have not run very far. Do you?
• 1:36:51
  Need a retired pro to also coach you?
• 1:36:55
  Or actually, Galen's. Not even.
• 1:36:56
  Retired. Yeah.
• 1:37:00
  What event? Pick the event.
• 1:37:06
  Come on, what we know. Or get me ready for the Media
• 1:37:11
  800 in Beijing next year. That's I think we could do that.
• 1:37:15
  I was, I was going to say, I thought you'd want Niraj Chopra
• 1:37:18
  to teach you how to throw a javelin.
• 1:37:25
  We've, we've, we've presented to Val Alman a few years ago that
• 1:37:28
  she would teach US how to throw disc, which maybe it will be a
• 1:37:32
  future segment. It was, yeah.
• 1:37:34
  And and The thing is, is like both Val and and and Coach Zeb
• 1:37:38
  were very much for the idea of like, yeah, just come on out,
• 1:37:41
  come move out to Austin for six months.
• 1:37:44
  We'll gladly teach it. I'm like, I'm 30.
• 1:37:47
  I can't, I just can't move to Austin for six months to pursue
• 1:37:54
  a dream in, in, in throwing shot put or discus.
• 1:38:00
  But if you if this would have been presented to me fresh out
• 1:38:02
  of college at 21, there's a good chance I would have taken up
• 1:38:05
  that offer. Preet, are you familiar with the
• 1:38:08
  show from MTV? It was called Maid.
• 1:38:13
  I am not. So basically the idea was like
• 1:38:16
  that someone would say they want to be made into something and
• 1:38:18
  then they would like, it'd be like, it'd be like, I want to
• 1:38:22
  learn how to skateboard. And it'd be someone who's, like,
• 1:38:24
  never touched a skateboard in their life.
• 1:38:26
  And the entire show would be like, Tony Hawk.
• 1:38:28
  Yeah. Like Tony Hawk coaches them how
• 1:38:30
  to, like, skateboard. And then, like, after doing this
• 1:38:33
  for three weeks, they, like, learned how to Ollie.
• 1:38:35
  And then there's like an emotional wrap up about how this
• 1:38:39
  has changed their life. And I do think that everyone on
• 1:38:43
  the serious team doing some version of this with different
• 1:38:46
  events would be the funniest so. There's actually a Belgian
• 1:38:50
  YouTube who does this with all the Belgian professional
• 1:38:54
  athletes. So he got Nappy TM to teach him
• 1:38:57
  how to high jump and like and stuff like that.
• 1:38:59
  Yeah, OK. It's really fun and it's really
• 1:39:02
  fun because he's he's not, he's built quite, you know, not like
• 1:39:07
  an athlete. And they also do these hilarious
• 1:39:11
  100m influencer relays in Brussels, which he's a part of.
• 1:39:14
  And he always dresses up in like comedy costumes and stuff.
• 1:39:17
  It's brilliant. But yes, there's definitely
• 1:39:22
  opportunities there in there. I think a long jump, like if we
• 1:39:25
  could get like a group long jump session, like bring five of us
• 1:39:30
  out and have just like a professional long jumper teaches
• 1:39:35
  all how to do it. Like, yeah, like targets can
• 1:39:37
  teach all of us collectively. There is a media day the day
• 1:39:42
  before Ultimate where we're supposed to do funky content.
• 1:39:46
  So that is, that is not like, yeah, yeah, no, it's literally
• 1:39:51
  as it like they want to do like imaginative, like unusual, like
• 1:39:55
  social media content, so. That Media 800 in Budapest seems
• 1:40:00
  like. I haven't seen anything yet.
• 1:40:03
  I don't think I'm in 800 shape right now, but it would have
• 1:40:07
  been nice to get revenge after a year out of missing that one
• 1:40:13
  race in Tokyo that I was really excited for.
• 1:40:16
  But alas, we'll have to wait till 2027, at least 28. 100 I
• 1:40:22
  have some breaking news. Keely Hodgkinson has just
• 1:40:26
  withdrawn from the Zurich Diamond League, so she has said
• 1:40:31
  unfortunately the body isn't quite ready to race again after
• 1:40:35
  the European Championships. We've made the decision to skip
• 1:40:38
  this race and get ready for the next one.
• 1:40:40
  Sad to miss it. Hopefully see you next year.
• 1:40:43
  I don't know. Next year.
• 1:40:45
  I think that's to Zurich, That's to Zurich.
• 1:40:47
  So that is in the Zurich press release because I got an e-mail
• 1:40:50
  from the Zurich Diamond League. So I think that is specific to
• 1:40:54
  Zurich. So I think she is still doing
• 1:40:57
  world ultimates. I don't think she's doing dumb
• 1:40:59
  league final. But yeah, unfortunately we
• 1:41:03
  don't. It's Georgia Hunter Bell.
• 1:41:06
  We still have Georgia Hunter Bell, Audrey Waro, Famke Bridges
• 1:41:09
  Bowl and Lillian Adira, who didn't really feature in the
• 1:41:13
  race in Lausanne. So maybe.
• 1:41:16
  Maybe. Maybe Siggidiguma?
• 1:41:19
  Maybe 62, but I think she's going to do the 1500.
• 1:41:22
  Yeah, so. She's good at both Double.
• 1:41:26
  Yes, but she's the Yeah, but remember her PR got.
• 1:41:30
  You of the women's middle tier. That's great.
• 1:41:31
  Well, she's her PR IS1566, right?
• 1:41:34
  And that is she's an Olympic silver medalist, but her PR is
• 1:41:36
  156. So I think she's realized like
• 1:41:38
  doing the fast 8 hundreds that they're currently doing, that's
• 1:41:43
  not her. Which is kind of funny because
• 1:41:45
  she came up from the 400 like her background was 400 back in
• 1:41:49
  the day. But the event is moving quickly.
• 1:41:53
  Yeah. All right well Zurich Diamond
• 1:41:55
  League coming up on Thursday, so should be an exciting one all
• 1:42:03
  right that does it for this episode of this week in track
• 1:42:06
  and field. We will catch you guys maybe
• 1:42:09
  next week. Well, definitely next week, but
• 1:42:12
  who knows? We're always on emergency
• 1:42:14
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• 1:42:17
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• 1:42:20
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