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UK Column News — 10th June 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the tenth of June twenty twenty sixth,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Colin News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Robinson. Joining me by videoing today
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Speaker 1: are Charles Mallett and Vanessa Billy. Now later in the program,
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Speaker 1: Charles is going to be reporting on the proposed plan
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Speaker 1: to cull the wild ponies of Dartmore and reporting on
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Speaker 1: the recent High Court kiss on gene editing. Vanessa will
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Speaker 1: have the list on Jared Kushimer's plans for Albinia and
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Speaker 1: strange property deals in London. And I'm going to be
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Speaker 1: covering more on the Syrian chemical weapons narrative, which the
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Speaker 1: British government clearly doesn't want to drop. But we're going
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Speaker 1: to begin today with Belfast because, of course, as everyone
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Speaker 1: will know, overnight on Monday, what was described as a
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Speaker 1: knife attack took place in North Belfast in Northern Ireland.
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Speaker 1: It was then described as a beheading. I'm not entirely
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Speaker 1: convinced that that was what was going on there, because
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Speaker 1: there was plenty of opportunity to do a lot more
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Speaker 1: damage than was done to the poor victim of this,
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Speaker 1: But anyway, it didn't take long for the usual voices
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Speaker 1: to post the likes of this on x so. This
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Speaker 1: was Tommy Robson saying horrific scenes in North Belfast tonight.
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Speaker 1: This was Monday night, of course, as an invader was
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Speaker 1: called trying to behead a man in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the street. Rupert Lowe wasn't far behind Tommy in issuing
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Speaker 1: this verdict, which is basically kill them all. If a
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Speaker 1: migrant comes to our country and attempts to saw a
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Speaker 1: man's head off in the street or Restore Britain government
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Speaker 1: will not deport with the British people's approval, that savage
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Speaker 1: will be put to death, he said. He went on
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Speaker 1: to say immigration will end from countries that are proven
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Speaker 1: to supply us with these monsters. Third world migrants who
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Speaker 1: hit our way of life will be rembooved from our country.
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Speaker 1: Restore Britain will deport millions. I've had enough, The British
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Speaker 1: people have had enough. We do not have to.
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Speaker 2: Live like this.
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Speaker 1: There is another way, death penalty, mass deportations and mass immigration.
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Speaker 1: That is what Restore Britain will do well. By mid
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Speaker 1: morning yesterday, it was clear that last night was going
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Speaker 1: to be very tense at the very least. This was
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Speaker 1: the type of thing that was going out on social media.
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Speaker 1: If we zoom on zim in on this, we'll see
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Speaker 1: lots of places around the country that we're going to
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Speaker 1: be occupied by people protesting. But also the clear message
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Speaker 1: that all businesses were to close by five thirty pm,
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Speaker 1: no excuses. And while all this rhetoric was spreading on
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Speaker 1: social media, there was very little coming from the authorities.
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Speaker 1: Hillary Benn, the Northern Iland Secretary, was not willing to
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Speaker 1: confirm anything, at least yesterday morning in the House of Commons.
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Speaker 1: Let's just have a listened to what he had to say.
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Speaker 3: The British people have had enough of or anyone from
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Speaker 3: wherever they come, whatever their background, who seeks to commit
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Speaker 3: violence on citizens of the United Kingdom. That is what
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Speaker 3: we together are strongly opposed to. There is a proper
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Speaker 3: procedure that needs to be followed in relation to the
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Speaker 3: release of information. It is a live investigation. I think
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Speaker 3: it is right and proper that the police lead on that,
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Speaker 3: and that is why it is the police who have
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Speaker 3: been in touch with the Home Office and will provide
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Speaker 3: further information And as soon as I am also able
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Speaker 3: to update the House, I will do so. I am
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Speaker 3: also in favor of as much information as possible being
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Speaker 3: provided once process has been followed, to make sure that
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Speaker 3: it can be confirmed.
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Speaker 1: And because they took that position that was fitting the
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Speaker 1: social media rhetoric. And it has to be said that
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Speaker 1: zach zach Polanski sorry, was no better than Tommy Robson
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Speaker 1: and Rubert Lowe. Quite a bit of hypocrisy here, I
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Speaker 1: would suggest he criticizes politicians for fueling a far right
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Speaker 1: narrative while he fuels a left right left versus right
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Speaker 1: narrative in this tweet. That's my emphasis there by the way. Then,
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Speaker 1: last evening, the first signs of violence that we saw
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Speaker 1: was the burning of a bus on the Newton Art
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Speaker 1: Road in East Belfast. Cars and vans suspected of being
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Speaker 1: belonging to migrants were targeted. Cars were being stopped at
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Speaker 1: roundabouts by mass men and searched for migrants. Homes were
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Speaker 1: being burnt out, and well let's just have a look
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Speaker 1: at well we've got another clip here of the homes
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Speaker 1: being burnt out. But let's just have a look at
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Speaker 1: this video clip just to give an idea of the
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Speaker 1: kind of motivation behind some of this. Yeah, foreigners, so
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Speaker 1: you know that was that was the kind of motivation.
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Speaker 1: But by this morning then confirmation came that the man
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Speaker 1: arrested and not Church, charged with attempted murder and threats
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Speaker 1: to kill an NHS radiographer. And he has, by the way,
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Speaker 1: been remanded in custory custody for four weeks. He was
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Speaker 1: named then as Haddie Alidid and he's been confirmed to
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Speaker 1: have come from Sudan and not from Somalia, if we
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Speaker 1: can put yeah, put that on screen. So it was
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Speaker 1: originally reported he was from Somalia. And then we start
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Speaker 1: seeing the likes of this on x So this is
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Speaker 1: Dan Wooden saying the daily Murror is the enemy of
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Speaker 1: the people, because they were pushing this out highlighting that
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Speaker 1: a refuge a referee was being refused entry to the
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Speaker 1: United States because he was coming from Somalia. And also
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Speaker 1: then we start seeing this type of thing on social media.
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Speaker 1: Unite the clans. This isn't going to happen, by the way,
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Speaker 1: because the Republican side is in Northern Ireland. They may
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Speaker 1: be Republicans and loyalists in Northern and maybe carrying on
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Speaker 1: the same opinions at this particular point in time, but
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Speaker 1: that's not going to last. And just as at Tommy's
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Speaker 1: recent rally in London, the crusader rhetoric is also doing
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Speaker 1: the runs on social media as well, and also just
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Speaker 1: in time. Then we have the BBC publishing this article
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Speaker 1: entitled illegal mini marks to shut up to shut up
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Speaker 1: for twelve months under law change prompted by the BBC.
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Speaker 1: So if they were illegal, the question is why only
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Speaker 1: twelve months? And so this is helping to drive the
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Speaker 1: feelings of unfairness in the population. I'm going to say
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Speaker 1: that this has all the hot hallmarks of a classic
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Speaker 1: gangs encounter gangs operation. An event happens and it's jumped
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Speaker 1: on by in the most insightful way possible in by
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Speaker 1: many many people, including MPs. And the first question we
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Speaker 1: should be asking ourselves, I think, is why are these
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Speaker 1: people here in the first place? And the question is
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Speaker 1: could it be because of the wars this country has
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Speaker 1: supported over the years. And for anyone thinking about the numbers,
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Speaker 1: thinking you know, what about the numbers of Albanians, for example,
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Speaker 1: we're top of the immigration immigration statistics for a couple
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Speaker 1: of years, I suggest people take a look at what
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Speaker 1: Tony Blair and she read Blair we're up to in
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Speaker 1: that country that might have been driving that to some degree,
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Speaker 1: but just the map on screen a number of the
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Speaker 1: countries that where British money British arms have been going
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Speaker 1: to support conflict in those countries. And then the next
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Speaker 1: question is why are people being burned out of their homes?
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Speaker 1: Because like it or not, in many, if not all cases,
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Speaker 1: the people affected by that last night were victims of
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Speaker 1: the wars that written created and they are on the
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Speaker 1: receiving end of much more of the same kind of
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Speaker 1: brutality now. And my question would be wise to focus
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Speaker 1: not on the political and the Epstein class which has
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Speaker 1: and is profiting from the situation. Now understand what I
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Speaker 1: mean by gangs and counter gangs operation. Once again, will
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Speaker 1: recommend people read these two books. And it's a bit
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Speaker 1: ironic that this is all kicking off in Belfast because
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Speaker 1: of the author of these books, Frank Kitson, was a
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Speaker 1: significant contributor to the so called Troubles, which was also
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Speaker 1: a gang kind of gang operation. And I just want
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Speaker 1: to make it clear that none of what I've said
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Speaker 1: here should be taken as an effort to minimize anybody's concerns.
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Speaker 1: But if we are really to resist what's being done this,
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Speaker 1: you know, by the policy that we are witnessing. The
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Speaker 1: first thing we've got to know is when those concerns
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Speaker 1: are being weaponized, who's weaponizing them and for what reason? Charles,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got any thoughts on that.
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Speaker 1: Do you do you agree with what I've said here
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Speaker 1: or do you think I've missed the mark?
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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Mike, Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you very much. No,
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Speaker 4: I think I would agree. I certainly agree with the
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Speaker 4: questions that you ask and what it is you point
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Speaker 4: to with regard to why migration or indeed seeking of
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Speaker 4: asylum is happening in the first place. Of course, I
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Speaker 4: should say absolutely at the outset that what has happened
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Speaker 4: wardless of intent or anything else, is absolutely horrific and
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Speaker 4: should not happen to anybody anywhere. I think that's a
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Speaker 4: point that must be made. It does expose the asylum
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Speaker 4: system for what it is now. There are many many
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Speaker 4: faults with it, and I'm not suggesting that bad faith
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Speaker 4: should be assumed in all instances, but it does exhibit
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Speaker 4: the difficulties with regard to screening and knowing anything about anybody,
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Speaker 4: and when one considers the way in which the privacy
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Speaker 4: of the individual of the already established British citizen is
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Speaker 4: being treated at the minute. There is a very obvious
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Speaker 4: discrepancy there. However, I think it is also important to
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Speaker 4: say that for anybody that does believe that the migration
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Speaker 4: policy is a deliberate effort to destabilize and divide the population,
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Speaker 4: then the response to that is also part of that
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Speaker 4: same agenda. And I think this demonstrates the degree to
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Speaker 4: which people have been primed to react like this. And
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Speaker 4: I have to ask the question, what help is that
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Speaker 4: to fight amongst each other and to fight against the police.
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Speaker 4: That surely has to be a better way.
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Speaker 1: Pierce, maybe I could ask you to comment on this,
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Speaker 1: because of course your expertise is propaganda. What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 5: Okay, well, I'm not looking at this issue club see
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Speaker 5: myself at the moment. But the scenario you describe, I mean,
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Speaker 5: this is a standard tactic in terms of divide and
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Speaker 5: rule and trying to control populations. So I think it's
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Speaker 5: entirely plausible the scenario that you're describing. And yeah, I
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Speaker 5: think these are always the first go to tactics for
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Speaker 5: elite groups and authorities. When trying to control populations, you
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Speaker 5: need to get people believing in certain things and then
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Speaker 5: you play them off against each other. So this is
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Speaker 5: something which we've seen over many, many decades, and it's
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Speaker 5: and possible of elite power group control over populations.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Let's leave out there for noithern
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Speaker 1: and Charles love me come to you, and let's move
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Speaker 1: to Dartmoor. And of course the government has recently a
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Speaker 1: nine that we need to be eating a lot less
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Speaker 1: meat and having a lot fewer animals in the country,
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Speaker 1: and one of the targets for this seems to be
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Speaker 1: the wild ponies on the mirrors.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I think that's quite the point to make
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Speaker 4: in so far as this is part of a wider agenda.
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Speaker 4: But yes, I'm going to start with what appears to
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Speaker 4: be a story with a sort of local interest, that
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Speaker 4: that is the plight of the Dartmoor Hill pony and
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Speaker 4: particularly under fire from policy to reduce overall livestock in
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Speaker 4: terms of grazing on Dartmoor. And just to show a
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Speaker 4: sort of montage of the particular pony, of course, very
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Speaker 4: important to point out that it's a semi wild native
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Speaker 4: pony and has lived in these conditions in this country
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Speaker 4: for thousands of years, and yet the push, of course
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Speaker 4: now is to do away with it. This has quite
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Speaker 4: rightly provoked a significant response, backlash and campaign against it,
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Speaker 4: and I'm very pleased to say that we're joined on
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Speaker 4: the program by Joe Lovemore, who's a volunteer with the
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Speaker 4: Friends of the Dartmoor Hill Pony. Joe, thanks for joining
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Speaker 4: me and just I think as an initial question, what
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Speaker 4: is your take on what Natural England says they're trying
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Speaker 4: to do and the likely consequences of that.
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Speaker 6: Well, Natural England are rolling out a sort of blanket
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Speaker 6: one size fits all are environment policy across Dartmoor, which
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Speaker 6: is not fit for purpose. On the more so, they're
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Speaker 6: grazing according for a grazing reduction of up to sixty
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Speaker 6: sixty percent of livestock overall, and unlike with pastagre environment schemes,
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Speaker 6: the ponies are now included within that total livestock number,
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Speaker 6: so we're going to see potentially significant reductions. Best case
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Speaker 6: scenario of sixty seven percent of the ponies will be
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Speaker 6: lost up to potentially ninety two percent, which would be
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Speaker 6: catastrophic for a population of ponies. That is now only
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Speaker 6: around one thousand, down from six thery twenty five years ago.
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Speaker 6: So the thousand that remain genetically very vulnerable, losing even
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Speaker 6: one more pony would be catastrophic for that population. But
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Speaker 6: you know, ninety percent, that's the end of the line. Really,
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Speaker 6: they play such a crucial role for maintaining biodiversity. These
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Speaker 6: ponies have evolved alongside Dartmoor. Dartmore has shaped them and
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Speaker 6: they have shaped dart Moore in turn, so they have
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Speaker 6: this unique genetic capacity to survive and thrive on the
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Speaker 6: more and they're literally sort of part of the tapestry
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Speaker 6: of the ecosystem. So the way that they graze keeps
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Speaker 6: invasive species in check maintains the biodiversity. So Natural England's
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Speaker 6: claim that reducing the grazing pressure on Dartmoor and particularly
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Speaker 6: of the ponies, will enhance biodiversity, it's just based on
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Speaker 6: flawed science.
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Speaker 4: To be frank, Yeah, I think you've absolutely hit the
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Speaker 4: nail on the head and that is precisely the point
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Speaker 4: to make. And of course this is also being done
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Speaker 4: in the name of the environment, which really couldn't be
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Speaker 4: more ironic. I just want to put on screen the
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Speaker 4: petition that you've started, which has now attracted over one
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Speaker 4: hundred and thirty thousand and signatures, and then also to
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Speaker 4: say that with pressure like this there is a response,
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Speaker 4: and I think it's heartening to see that Natural England
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Speaker 4: have felt pressurized enough to put out a clarification. So
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Speaker 4: they say, and just a quote from that, Natural England
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Speaker 4: has not recommended a color of Dartmore ponies. We do
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Speaker 4: not have the power to order a cul and we
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Speaker 4: have not advised one. Now that, as we discussed earlier
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Speaker 4: off off screen, is effectively all well in double speak,
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Speaker 4: what should we take from a statement like that? I mean,
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Speaker 4: they will know what the effect is going to be,
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Speaker 4: surely absolutely.
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Speaker 6: I mean, yes, okay, they haven't been in writing with
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Speaker 6: MNDY a color of ponies, but there is only one
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Speaker 6: inevitable consequence of bringing that volume of ponies off. The
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Speaker 6: more ponies that have lived a wild, you know, semi wild,
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Speaker 6: undomesticated life for many years, they can't be homed. They
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Speaker 6: can't be you know, that's not an option for them.
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Speaker 6: There'll just be too many coming off the more at
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Speaker 6: the time. So you know, essentially they're statement that they've
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Speaker 6: put out offers no reassurance, offers no denial that the
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Speaker 6: pony number is included in that livestock total livestock quota.
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Speaker 6: They refer to payments for their you know, to incentivize
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Speaker 6: the keeping of the ponies related to their endangered and
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Speaker 6: threatened status. Those payments are already in place and they
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Speaker 6: only come into effect after the fact of the removal
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Speaker 6: of the majority anyway, So it's to remove the majority,
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Speaker 6: protect the few and claim to be looking after and
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Speaker 6: valuing the ponies, which it's just sort of contradictory to me.
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Speaker 6: We would welcome a discussion with Natural England, with DEFRA.
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Speaker 6: The Dartmoor Hill Pony Association, the organization that represents pony
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Speaker 6: keepers on the moor, has reached out to DEPHOR, has
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Speaker 6: reached out to Natural England to invite collaboration, to invite
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Speaker 6: a conversation on this, and it's falling on deaf ears
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Speaker 6: to date. So all we have is this this statement
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Speaker 6: that's just been put out in the public space.
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Speaker 4: I think you very indeed, and there'll be a link
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Speaker 4: to your petition in the notes you've just referred to
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Speaker 4: the associations or but a slide on screen, because of
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Speaker 4: course they are also applying pressure, and we wish you
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Speaker 4: luck in presenting your petition, which I think is going
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Speaker 4: to happen in September.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to sort of draw a line there.
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Speaker 4: Because what I say next is absolutely not with any
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Speaker 4: way an inference that these are Joe's views. But this
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Speaker 4: is in a way the way that UK Colum would
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Speaker 4: sort of look back to where this comes from and
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Speaker 4: what else, what other ramifications there are, because as I say,
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Speaker 4: this is not just one local item. This has much
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Speaker 4: wider ramifications. And so I would just point to the
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Speaker 4: Dartmore Preservation Association and just to see how this sort
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Speaker 4: of policy invades local action. Of course, here they are
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Speaker 4: boasting about their races zero race and net zero, and
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Speaker 4: again the contradiction there is, of course that they are
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Speaker 4: absolutely supporting a very destructive agenda. Now, in terms of
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Speaker 4: where this comes from, the Government has just last week
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Speaker 4: the UK's plans and progress to reach net zero by
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Speaker 4: twenty fifty a summary they're not going to make it.
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Speaker 4: But the important point is that this refers to advice,
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Speaker 4: so called advice received from the Climate Change Committee. And
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Speaker 4: I'm going to point back to June twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 4: which is when they released the document or at least
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Speaker 4: a commentary on the government's then food strategy, which they
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Speaker 4: described as a missed opportunity for the climate. Now, in
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Speaker 4: terms of what they actually said, they recommended a twenty
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Speaker 4: percent reduction in meat and dairy by twenty thirty, going
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Speaker 4: up to thirty five percent reduction by twenty fifty. Also
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Speaker 4: highlighted in bold my highlighting, the Climate Change Committee advises
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Speaker 4: societal level shifts. Now, what they mean by this is
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Speaker 4: applied behavioral psychology or nudge, which we've been seen used
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Speaker 4: in such a divisive and invidious way over the last
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Speaker 4: few years. And of course what I must point out
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Speaker 4: is that Climate Change Committee is funded by DEFRA and
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Speaker 4: the Department for Energy Security and net zero, so entirely
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Speaker 4: the closed loop there and you get out what you
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Speaker 4: put in. Now with regard to UK column content, I
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Speaker 4: should point you towards the tail end of an interview
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Speaker 4: that I conducted a couple of years ago with then
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Speaker 4: Chair of the Climate Change Committee, Lord Deebon, a career
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Speaker 4: politician who struggled to keep his cool towards the end
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Speaker 4: of the interview when asked about climate change, but also
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Speaker 4: to the response from the Agricultural and Horticultural Development Board,
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Speaker 4: which responded at the time to the statements put out
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Speaker 4: by the Climate Change Committee, and in particular on the
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Speaker 4: element of replacements for meat, they say that whilst plant
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Speaker 4: based proteins are often marketed as more sustainable than animal
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Speaker 4: based products, the reality is more complex. The sustainability of
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Speaker 4: plant based alternatives is often evaluated through short term models
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Speaker 4: that do not fully account for long term land use
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Speaker 4: changes or impact on soul health, and many plant based
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Speaker 4: meat and dairy alternatives undergo extensive processing, requiring significant energy
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Speaker 4: input and long supply chains. So the point to be
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Speaker 4: made there is that exactly like Joe's articulating, there is
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Speaker 4: an enormous contradiction that there is an obfuscation of the
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Speaker 4: real agenda at play, or indeed of the true stage affairs.
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Speaker 4: But I think the overall sense of irony is that
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Speaker 4: apparently in the name of protecting the environment, it is
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Speaker 4: being destroyed, as is the culture and the history that
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Speaker 4: sits on top of that environment. Vanessa, I know that
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Speaker 4: you and I had a word or at least exchange
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Speaker 4: sort of notes about this earlier, because I think one
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Speaker 4: of your big points is always how you know environmental
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Speaker 4: destruction is just absolutely disregarded because so many other things
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Speaker 4: get in the way. And I just wondered, especially having
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Speaker 4: heard what Joe has said, whether you've just had something
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Speaker 4: that you wanted to say about this.
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Speaker 7: No.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I just find it appalling because it's not
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Speaker 8: only an environmental issue, it's also an issue of heritage,
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Speaker 8: of British heritage, whether it's the ponies in the New
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Speaker 8: Forest or the ponies in the Dartmoor. I mean, as
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Speaker 8: a child, I grew up seeing them, being with them,
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Speaker 8: interacting with them and so on, and this is something
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Speaker 8: part of our very important and very valuable history that
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Speaker 8: is also being undermined in a very detrimental way. And
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Speaker 8: I would like to understand how these ponies, what happens
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Speaker 8: to this ninety percent of the pony population, because I
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Speaker 8: think that is also perhaps not being made clear to
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Speaker 8: people and could be quite devastating.
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Speaker 4: I think that's exactly it. Vanessa, thanks very much, and
20:31
Speaker 4: many thanks to Joe for coming on. And I really
20:34
Speaker 4: would encourage people to at least take a look at
20:35
Speaker 4: the petition and to take a look at what Joe
20:38
Speaker 4: and her team are doing, but also the association as well,
20:41
Speaker 4: because I think this is effectively a microcosm of a
20:44
Speaker 4: much bigger issue which can and should be foroughed.
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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, Charles, thank you, Joe Vanessa, let's come
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Speaker 1: to you then. No, last week we were talking about
20:55
Speaker 1: what Jared Kushner was up to, and I'll be in
20:58
Speaker 1: here and we over down on Wednesday and a little
21:01
Speaker 1: bit more on Friday. What's the latest.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a bit of an ongoing saga which seems
21:07
Speaker 8: to be extending into much of the Balkans and even
21:12
Speaker 8: into Italy. But an update on Albania, there have been
21:15
Speaker 8: mass protests. Eddie Rama, the Prime Minister, has found to
21:20
Speaker 8: push on with the Kushner linked luxury resort despite protests,
21:24
Speaker 8: as you can see in this report from yesterday. He
21:28
Speaker 8: also did an interview with your Own News and this
21:32
Speaker 8: is just one section of that report which refers to Israel.
21:38
Speaker 7: Is being weaponized big time, not as real estate confiding
21:41
Speaker 7: pro is weaponized by the enemies of Albania and of Israel,
21:49
Speaker 7: because there is a narrative in the in the whole thing,
21:53
Speaker 7: that this is about a hidden deal between me and
21:58
Speaker 7: Bibi NATANIAO Rujared Kushner bring the Palestinians in that part
22:02
Speaker 7: of Albania, which is a total fantasy.
22:09
Speaker 8: So of course he effectively dismisses the protests as being
22:13
Speaker 8: part of a hybrid war against Albania. He's actually saying
22:17
Speaker 8: that the protests are being managed externally to destabilize Albania. Now,
22:23
Speaker 8: at the same time, Israeli flags were put up in
22:27
Speaker 8: relation to the Israeli Culture Week in Tirana, the capital.
22:30
Speaker 8: From June the ninth to the twelfth, the Embassy of Israel,
22:34
Speaker 8: in collaboration with the Ministry of Economy, Culture and Innovation
22:37
Speaker 8: and the Municipality of Tirana, organized the Israeli Culture Week
22:41
Speaker 8: as part of the International Culture Weeks. Now, the protests
22:44
Speaker 8: actually pulled down those flags and many of them were
22:48
Speaker 8: burned in protests against the Israeli influence in Albania, particularly
22:54
Speaker 8: of course through Jared Kushna and the buying up of
22:58
Speaker 8: the coastline of albert On May the twelfth this year,
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Speaker 8: there was also an Albania Israel's Summit to strengthen cooperation
23:07
Speaker 8: and innovation, Technology and Cybersecurity, and from the blurb in
23:12
Speaker 8: that report, they basically say forty innovative Israeli companies with
23:17
Speaker 8: a focus on strengthening cybersecurity, advancing modern technology, and creating
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Speaker 8: new partnerships for the economic development of Albania and the region,
23:26
Speaker 8: also with a focus on AI and of course, as
23:30
Speaker 8: I mentioned last week, Israel's first AI or rather their
23:34
Speaker 8: first AI AI data center is to be established in
23:38
Speaker 8: Albania in the near future. But then I also wanted
23:41
Speaker 8: to highlight what Eddie Rama said also in the same
23:44
Speaker 8: interview with your Own News. He was very clear about
23:47
Speaker 8: who owned Sazan Island and the coastline territory.
23:55
Speaker 9: Lead on land that belongs to the Albanian people.
23:58
Speaker 7: The land below longs to the investors. They have voted
24:02
Speaker 7: from the.
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Speaker 2: Privates and that's part of the number worship number.
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Speaker 8: So he's being very clear there. He's saying basically, the
24:12
Speaker 8: land now belongs to Jared Kushner and those that have
24:17
Speaker 8: put the money into the Affinity Partners Fund, which of
24:20
Speaker 8: course is predominantly Saudi Arabia, Katar and UAE, all of
24:23
Speaker 8: which are extensions of Israeli power globally. But also I
24:29
Speaker 8: wanted to bring people's attention to this article. I think
24:31
Speaker 8: we did mention it at the time it was in
24:33
Speaker 8: the New York Times back in April twenty twenty six,
24:37
Speaker 8: and it talks about the involvement of the Syrian then
24:41
Speaker 8: Katari naturalized brothers, the Syrian billionaires, the al Chayats, and
24:47
Speaker 8: how they effectively are very much invested in the Sasan
24:52
Speaker 8: Island project. Now, the al Jayats, they have a very
24:56
Speaker 8: extensive history. The family began to grow their wealth in
25:00
Speaker 8: the nineteen eighties under former president half Azalasa. But they
25:05
Speaker 8: were also in twenty seventeen a court case was brought
25:07
Speaker 8: against them, in fact, two court cases accusing them of
25:11
Speaker 8: funneling funds to al Qaeda in Syria through the Dohoa Bank.
25:16
Speaker 8: Now that prosecution, the two prosecutions fell apart because of apparently,
25:22
Speaker 8: according to many reports, witness intimidation and threatening and harassing.
25:28
Speaker 8: But I want to just bring your attention to the
25:30
Speaker 8: timeline here of the Al Kayat funding. So, as I said,
25:35
Speaker 8: Affinity Partners, Kushner's investment vehicle is largely funded by Saudi Arabia,
25:41
Speaker 8: UAE and KATA. Of course, as I said, they are
25:44
Speaker 8: extensions of Israeli power. In twenty twenty two, the Trump
25:50
Speaker 8: and Krayat families came together at an Italian restaurant in Doha,
25:54
Speaker 8: which happened to be owned by the Hayat family. The
25:58
Speaker 8: Trumps were Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump. March twenty twenty four,
26:03
Speaker 8: the Sassen Island project entered the portfolio of Affinity Partners,
26:09
Speaker 8: and of course this was just prior to Trump's election
26:12
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty four. Trump was then elected. December twenty
26:16
Speaker 8: twenty four, Syria fell to al Qaeda under the leadership
26:21
Speaker 8: of now known as ahmedal Shada, but of course better
26:24
Speaker 8: known as Mohammad al Jolani. The al Jayat basically at
26:31
Speaker 8: that time were lobbying to invest back into Syria twelve
26:35
Speaker 8: billion luxury project on the Syrian coast. The Syrian coast where,
26:39
Speaker 8: of course Juolani was basically ethnically cleansing the Alowhite Sact
26:45
Speaker 8: since his rise to power, but their assets were effectively
26:50
Speaker 8: frozen by the Caesar sanctions and the sanctions on Syria
26:53
Speaker 8: that had been in place since pre twenty eleven. So
26:58
Speaker 8: after lobbying through Tom Barrick and through Joe Wilson, a
27:01
Speaker 8: Republican congressman, in December twenty twenty five, Trump repealed the
27:06
Speaker 8: Caesar sanctions with some conditions and almost immediately in April
27:10
Speaker 8: twenty twenty six, Susan operations registered in Albania and corporate
27:15
Speaker 8: filings reviewed by vox News show control through a network
27:19
Speaker 8: of six foreign companies linked to the Hyatt brothers. Now
27:23
Speaker 8: there is more to that timeline, but I just broke
27:25
Speaker 8: it down to make it as clear as possible. And
27:29
Speaker 8: now this is where I get to kind of the
27:31
Speaker 8: interesting part, I guess, which is this map which I'm
27:34
Speaker 8: going to talk through the points that I've marked on there.
27:38
Speaker 8: So if we go over to Italy, they're the heel
27:41
Speaker 8: of Italy, which is in a place called Salento. Now,
27:45
Speaker 8: back in twenty twenty five, there was an Italian real
27:49
Speaker 8: estate agency, Coral thirty seven, founded by Israeli or at
27:53
Speaker 8: Lev Marom, who had a proposal on their website in
27:58
Speaker 8: twenty twenty five title the Israeli Colony in Solento, effectively
28:04
Speaker 8: a settlement colony, was abandoned after intense legal, political, popular
28:10
Speaker 8: and media scrutiny. If we go over to Greece, which
28:14
Speaker 8: is in the larger circle that I've shown there, which
28:16
Speaker 8: incorporates also the Albania property bid by Jared Kushner on
28:22
Speaker 8: behalf of Israel and the Gulf States. But if we
28:25
Speaker 8: go to Greece, there has been a recent trilateral military
28:28
Speaker 8: plan in Greece, Israel and Greek Cypriot administration three billion
28:34
Speaker 8: to integrate systems Barrack MX, David Sling and Spider as
28:38
Speaker 8: a comprehensive defensive umbrella across the Aegean and around the
28:42
Speaker 8: Greek Islands. It's a joint action plan, joint exercises, intel sharing,
28:47
Speaker 8: operational coordination, and it's framed as regional stability. In twenty
28:52
Speaker 8: twenty two, it's interesting to note that there was a
28:55
Speaker 8: faction within Israel that we're pushing to use the Jewish
28:58
Speaker 8: National Funds Greek Islands as a safe haven for Israelis
29:03
Speaker 8: in the case of war. So Greek Greece is obviously
29:07
Speaker 8: very much in the cross says. Then if we move
29:10
Speaker 8: up to Montenegro, this is an area where nat Rothschild,
29:14
Speaker 8: who of course facilitated the project for Kushna, met with
29:22
Speaker 8: Russian aluminium oligarch Oleg Deripaska and they created a marina
29:28
Speaker 8: in the Gulf of Kotov, former Yugoslav naval base. So
29:31
Speaker 8: here we come back to the military perspective of all
29:34
Speaker 8: of these projects. And in Serbia, so this was in
29:38
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four. Using Saudi money, Kushna began a project
29:43
Speaker 8: which was backed by President Alexander Vutchch. He tried to
29:47
Speaker 8: buy the former Yugoslav Army HQ and Belgrade, which funnily
29:52
Speaker 8: enough sits above a network of Cold War tunnels and bunkers.
29:56
Speaker 8: This bid basically collapsed under corruption, scan and mass protests. Then,
30:02
Speaker 8: of course we already have Cyprus. We have the Zionist
30:05
Speaker 8: expansion into Cyprus Lebanon. We have Israel attempting to effectively
30:12
Speaker 8: secure occupation of southern Lebanon, but also pushing President Allen
30:17
Speaker 8: to normalize or rather formalize the maritime marcation with Cyprus,
30:23
Speaker 8: which of course is of benefit to Israel with the
30:26
Speaker 8: gas reserves in that area and with the fall of Syria.
30:30
Speaker 8: What we see here is the formation of a potential
30:34
Speaker 8: of what I would call a Zionist straight leading up
30:37
Speaker 8: into Europe, but also worth paying attention to encircling Turkey,
30:44
Speaker 8: which in the future is considered to be a target
30:48
Speaker 8: for Israel to prevent a Turkish expansion that might threaten
30:52
Speaker 8: Israeli expansion.
30:55
Speaker 1: Vanessa, thank you very much for that. Big moves there
30:59
Speaker 1: and undoubtedly be covering much more of that in the future.
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32:01
Speaker 4: interviewed again just recently. I'm going to play a clip
32:04
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Speaker 10: But now everybody is obsessed because of the programming that
32:11
Speaker 10: they've been exposed to on this catastrophic change which is
32:14
Speaker 10: supposed to be going on in the world while they're
32:17
Speaker 10: taxings to the blooming eyeballs and using it as an excuse,
32:21
Speaker 10: but people aren't seeing what's actually around them. It amazes me,
32:26
Speaker 10: and I'm sure it amazes you to many of your
32:27
Speaker 10: listeners and followers will be in my camp, if you
32:31
Speaker 10: know what I mean. I'm astounded how people believe propaganda
32:39
Speaker 10: and rather than looking for themselves and seeing, I'm looking
32:43
Speaker 10: outside my window. Now there's foxgloves growing. There was wild
32:48
Speaker 10: garlic a few weeks ago, there was bluebells a few
32:50
Speaker 10: weeks ago. In a couple of weeks time, something else
32:53
Speaker 10: will come out. It's all happening like it's always happened.
32:57
Speaker 10: So it's very, very obvious to me that the media
33:01
Speaker 10: and the AI and computer world is completely to odds
33:06
Speaker 10: with reality. But unfortunately it's so influential that it's dragging
33:10
Speaker 10: a whole portion of society with it who can't see
33:13
Speaker 10: the truth. And it's very sad. Now you just said,
33:17
Speaker 10: how do you jolt them back into reality? This is
33:19
Speaker 10: how you jolt them back in the interviews. You show
33:22
Speaker 10: them something that's been going on for centuries that they
33:25
Speaker 10: have no connection to because their life, and they go wow.
33:30
Speaker 10: And one of the things, it's the most important thing
33:32
Speaker 10: actually is I try to address the children. You'll have
33:35
Speaker 10: seen this, I know you have in my grad in
33:38
Speaker 10: the audience. I try and talk to the children. I say,
33:40
Speaker 10: put your phones away for today, turn your phone off,
33:44
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33:47
Speaker 10: go and collect some tadpoles, make a tree house, go
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Speaker 1: Did you want to say, Anthony else, Charles.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean just that you know, Jonathan's a great inspiration.
34:03
Speaker 4: But he's also very kind man because he has donated
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34:11
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34:14
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Speaker 4: Spirit's going to be a great interview.
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Speaker 1: Yes, So there it is on screen one o'clock tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Join us for that tonight at seven pm, Jerem is
34:26
Speaker 1: speaking to James Patrick. The suggestion is world War three
34:30
Speaker 1: has begun. Well you can find out what they think
34:32
Speaker 1: about that then, and then sil can steal everything they
34:36
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34:38
Speaker 1: pm tonight and Charles, just to finish off, Sonia Poulton
34:43
Speaker 1: has an event.
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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed this is going to be effectively hosted by
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Speaker 4: Common Knowledge Edinburgh and this is taking place this Saturday.
34:51
Speaker 4: Diane Rasmussen or UK column will be in effect sharing
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Speaker 4: it and Sonya will be speaking about Jeffrey Epstein, How Deep?
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35:05
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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Charles back to you then. And
35:15
Speaker 1: some changes military wise in the UK here.
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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed there are a very small change, but I
35:23
Speaker 4: think it's absolutely one worth mentioning because it sounds like
35:26
Speaker 4: it's fallen out of a box of corn flakes. A
35:28
Speaker 4: new era begins as three Commando Brigade, to be officially
35:33
Speaker 4: known as the UK Commando Force. I'm afraid this is
35:38
Speaker 4: not Hollywood fiction. This is actually the truth of it.
35:41
Speaker 4: And to follow remarks or at least a critique of
35:43
Speaker 4: the way in which the First Sea Lord was describing
35:46
Speaker 4: his hybrid Navy, Jenkins has said about this, this is
35:51
Speaker 4: more than a name change. It reflects a decade of transformation.
35:55
Speaker 4: I leave it to you to interpret exactly whether that
35:57
Speaker 4: change is for good or ill and what significance of
36:00
Speaker 4: this may be. But to help you with that, I
36:02
Speaker 4: would point you towards episode seven of Military Matters, which
36:05
Speaker 4: came out recently and involves Brian Gerrish in particular, giving
36:08
Speaker 4: his analysis on the way in which the Navy's gone
36:10
Speaker 4: and what that says about wider society.
36:12
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for that. Now let's come on to
36:15
Speaker 1: the chemical weapons issue.
36:16
Speaker 11: Now.
36:16
Speaker 1: Three weeks ago the Minister of Justice for the Syrian
36:20
Speaker 1: Arab Arabic, sorry, the Syrian Arab Republic, who a terrorist
36:25
Speaker 1: at least up until October twenty twenty five, when the
36:27
Speaker 1: British government suddenly decided that HTS should be removed from
36:30
Speaker 1: his list of prescribed terrorist organizations, met with the Director
36:34
Speaker 1: General of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.
36:39
Speaker 1: And of course this is all as the UK, the US,
36:42
Speaker 1: EU and the OPCW attempt to shore up the narrative
36:45
Speaker 1: of shar Alasad carried out chemical attacks on his own people.
36:49
Speaker 1: Right on q last week, undeclared chemical weapons were found
36:53
Speaker 1: in Syria by chemical weapons inspectors after the OPCW just
36:58
Speaker 1: deployed a team to Syria and this year and at
37:01
Speaker 1: the same time, the UK announced to the United Nations
37:04
Speaker 1: Security Council that they remain steadfast in their commitment to
37:08
Speaker 1: the complete elimination of chemical weapons in Syria. Discuss this.
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Speaker 1: We're joined today by doctor Pierce Robinson, a co director
37:16
Speaker 1: of the Organization for Propaganda Studies and a finder of
37:19
Speaker 1: the Working Group on Syria Propaganda and Media and Peers.
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Speaker 1: This is a topic that we have been talking about
37:25
Speaker 1: for quite some time, multiple articles on the UK column
37:29
Speaker 1: website if anybody would like to go and read them.
37:33
Speaker 1: But I mean, what is your take on this latest
37:37
Speaker 1: so called find of chemical weapons in Syria.
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Speaker 5: Well, we knew as soon as the Syrian government fell
37:45
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four. The question opened up is do
37:49
Speaker 5: what is the OPCW and its sponsors and the states
37:53
Speaker 5: who are essentially back it, what is it going to
37:55
Speaker 5: do in the coming year two years in Syria, and
38:00
Speaker 5: I suspected, and some of the people I work with
38:03
Speaker 5: on this issue.
38:03
Speaker 12: Suspected that they're going to be.
38:06
Speaker 5: Very determined to find something which is going to legitimate
38:09
Speaker 5: the claims that should been made over many years. And
38:12
Speaker 5: of course the backdrop to all of this, and of
38:14
Speaker 5: course the articles on your website described this, but the
38:16
Speaker 5: broader backdropp is that there's been a longstanding critique of
38:21
Speaker 5: both the OPCW investigations and also the claims that the
38:24
Speaker 5: Syrian government that has had had been using chemical weapons.
38:28
Speaker 5: And there's a well documented list of what I would
38:32
Speaker 5: describe as corrupted or manipulated investigations, some of which I
38:35
Speaker 5: summarized in the series I produced for UK column, but
38:38
Speaker 5: which really came to the fore with the Dooma incident
38:42
Speaker 5: in twenty eighteen, when the Syrian government was accused of
38:45
Speaker 5: carrying out a chlorine gas attack. The French, British and
38:48
Speaker 5: Americans bomb Syria in response, and at that point whistleblower
38:53
Speaker 5: scientist from within the OPCW emerged and essentially confirmed or
38:57
Speaker 5: testifying to the fact that the investigation had manipulated in
39:01
Speaker 5: order to blame the Syrian government. And at that point
39:04
Speaker 5: you know, it became an international issue in terms of
39:08
Speaker 5: the OPCW investigations being corrupted, being influenced by the Americans,
39:12
Speaker 5: of Brits and the French in order to essentially point
39:16
Speaker 5: the finger at the Syrian government as for carrying out
39:20
Speaker 5: these attacks.
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Speaker 12: So that's the backdrop to this.
39:22
Speaker 5: So it was always going to be on the cards
39:24
Speaker 5: that there was going to be a big sort of institutional,
39:27
Speaker 5: sort of imperative to legitimate the OPCW claims which have
39:31
Speaker 5: been made over the last ten years. And of course,
39:34
Speaker 5: you know, the big picture here is that the actors
39:39
Speaker 5: and the entities involved in what I would argue at
39:42
Speaker 5: the staged and the false flag events you've seen over
39:44
Speaker 5: the last ten years, those people are all in positions
39:47
Speaker 5: of power and control now. So obviously Jilani I assist
39:52
Speaker 5: that Al Qaieda effectively take over the Syrian government. You
39:57
Speaker 5: then have Katub who was a advocate for Syrian American
40:01
Speaker 5: Medical Society, which is a regime change operation which was
40:04
Speaker 5: involved in promoting some of the alleged chemical attacks. He's
40:07
Speaker 5: the ambassador to the OPCW representing the Syrian government. And
40:12
Speaker 5: then you have former inspectors who were involved in some
40:16
Speaker 5: of the dubious investigations are now advising the Syrian government.
40:21
Speaker 12: And then on top of that you have the.
40:22
Speaker 5: White Helmets who are in positions of power in Syria
40:26
Speaker 5: and who are also involved in these efforts to find
40:30
Speaker 5: evidence of chemical weapons. So all of the entities, all
40:33
Speaker 5: of the actors who are involved in essentially for staging
40:36
Speaker 5: and the fraud which has gone over the last ten years,
40:39
Speaker 5: are in a position to soda holding up and to
40:42
Speaker 5: find the evidence which they need in order to vindicate,
40:46
Speaker 5: so to speak, the position of the OPCW and all
40:50
Speaker 5: of the Western mainstream media and all of the actors
40:52
Speaker 5: who promoted this narrative. And so I think that's what
40:56
Speaker 5: we have going on Hereactly how far they're going to
41:01
Speaker 5: push this is going to be interesting to see, because
41:03
Speaker 5: what they have supposedly discovered are some M four thousand casings,
41:10
Speaker 5: some empty rockets which were allegedly of the same type
41:13
Speaker 5: which we used in the Gutu twenty thirteen attack, which
41:18
Speaker 5: was a false flag.
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Speaker 12: And then some chemicals.
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Speaker 5: Now, all of this is probably formally investigated by the
41:24
Speaker 5: OPCW and written up in a report, but they seem
41:27
Speaker 5: to move very quickly two weeks ago to inserting this claim,
41:31
Speaker 5: which was then reiterated in the U N Security Council
41:33
Speaker 5: last Thursday, that they had found evidence of a SAD
41:38
Speaker 5: chemical weapons.
41:39
Speaker 12: Now you know all of.
41:42
Speaker 5: That, obviously the chain of custody issue is entirely broken.
41:45
Speaker 5: You know, the Syrian government has been out of power
41:47
Speaker 5: for a year and a half, so anybody could have
41:49
Speaker 5: planted that material. I think it's extremely likely that probably's
41:52
Speaker 5: most likely case scenario here that you have planting of evidence,
41:56
Speaker 5: fabrication of evidence going on. If they're going to push
41:59
Speaker 5: this any further, will have to wait and see whether
42:02
Speaker 5: they start to push more evidence. They say they've arrested people.
42:06
Speaker 5: But again, the kind of the broad picture from a
42:08
Speaker 5: chemical weapons convention point of view is that the chain
42:11
Speaker 5: of custody is broken, and you have obviously authorities and
42:14
Speaker 5: control in Syria who are able to coerce and cajole
42:17
Speaker 5: people to say things. So, you know, I'm wondering how
42:22
Speaker 5: far they will risk pushing fabricated evidence in the coming months.
42:26
Speaker 5: They might push it further, or they might just leave
42:28
Speaker 5: it with this sort of small number of munitions which
42:31
Speaker 5: were found in chemical weapons, which as I say, were
42:34
Speaker 5: most probably planted there. But we'll see. What I would
42:38
Speaker 5: say is I think they rush to make these claims
42:41
Speaker 5: because really in the month preceding this claim by the OPCW,
42:46
Speaker 5: and it's very unusual for them to start to actually
42:50
Speaker 5: state the outcome of an investigation before the report's even
42:54
Speaker 5: been written up, because that's what's happened in this case.
42:56
Speaker 5: They said that they've quickly moved to make this announcement
42:58
Speaker 5: that we've found some things and there'll be a full
43:01
Speaker 5: report forthcoming. But in the week's running up to this,
43:04
Speaker 5: there was considerable attention was being paid to the OPCW
43:08
Speaker 5: whistle blower, Brendan Wheeler, who had blown a whistle on
43:11
Speaker 5: espectively on the DUMA investigation in twenty eighteen, and he
43:16
Speaker 5: won in the International Labor Organization a case against the OPCW,
43:21
Speaker 5: and the outcome of that case, and that was in
43:23
Speaker 5: January this year. But the outcome of that case was
43:25
Speaker 5: that not only was the OPCW found to have mistreated him,
43:29
Speaker 5: made false allegations against him, essentially as part of a
43:32
Speaker 5: smear campaign to shut down the inspectors, but it had
43:36
Speaker 5: also confirmed that a critical toxicology advice from German chemical
43:42
Speaker 5: weapons experts that the civilians killed in Duma were not
43:46
Speaker 5: killed by chlawing gas, which of course was the official
43:48
Speaker 5: claim that OPCW inadvertently admitted that as part of air
43:52
Speaker 5: sort of the legal process with Brendan Wheelan, so that
43:54
Speaker 5: that came out. And then also confirmation that in fact
43:57
Speaker 5: the inspectors who were asking the question during the Doom
44:01
Speaker 5: investigation were sidelined. So all of this was essentially confirmation
44:05
Speaker 5: of what we have been talking about for the last
44:08
Speaker 5: six years after the Duma incident.
44:11
Speaker 12: And I work alongside.
44:12
Speaker 5: Jose Pistani, who was the first Director General of the OPCW,
44:15
Speaker 5: and Handspan Schaponnik, who's a former Assistant Secretary General UN
44:19
Speaker 5: and we've been representing the scientists who blew the whistle
44:21
Speaker 5: on the Doumer investigation. So essentially confirmation all that had
44:26
Speaker 5: come to like through this I loat legal action by
44:29
Speaker 5: Brendan Wheelan, and I think they've moved very quickly to
44:33
Speaker 5: try and squash that confirmation in terms of the public
44:36
Speaker 5: sphere by releasing these these claims of what their inspection
44:40
Speaker 5: team have found. So I mean to summarize all of that.
44:44
Speaker 5: I think you know they've been engaging in a deception
44:47
Speaker 5: for many years I think the evidence is very clear,
44:49
Speaker 5: and I think this was confirmed with the Doomer case
44:51
Speaker 5: and with his scientists or blows who came out in
44:54
Speaker 5: regard to that. And they've obviously made a calculation. They
44:57
Speaker 5: need to maintain the deception and they need to carry
44:59
Speaker 5: it on. Think you know, when you think about it,
45:02
Speaker 5: there are a number of sort of factors working together here.
45:05
Speaker 5: You have the OPCW has to shore up its reputation
45:08
Speaker 5: after what happened. You also have Julani in Assyrian government
45:12
Speaker 5: having to create this foundational myth to shore up their
45:16
Speaker 5: power that they are. This is a government that liberated
45:19
Speaker 5: the Syrian people from this dictator who used chemical weapons.
45:23
Speaker 5: So it's important from that kind of nation building propaganda
45:25
Speaker 5: point of view to maintain this lie. And then finally,
45:29
Speaker 5: and you know, these incidents and it goes back to
45:32
Speaker 5: go to twenty thirteen. The evidence are that these are
45:34
Speaker 5: false flag events, the false flag or stage events. They
45:37
Speaker 5: involve the intelligence services of Turkey, probably Israel, certainly UK
45:42
Speaker 5: and France, and some of these incidents, as we go
45:45
Speaker 5: to twenty thirteen, and as with Duma, involved the murder
45:49
Speaker 5: of civilians for the purposes of these events. So this
45:52
Speaker 5: is a very dark secret which I think the intelligence
45:56
Speaker 5: services of both with Turkey in relation to go to
46:00
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen through to Duma and the British MI six
46:03
Speaker 5: intelligence services are extremely keen to make sure that this
46:07
Speaker 5: stay is absolutely buried in time in the history, and
46:12
Speaker 5: so that's why they're doing all of this. Russians, I see,
46:15
Speaker 5: my time is running out. Russians kicked up a fuss
46:18
Speaker 5: about this UN Security Council saying chain of custoders, no
46:21
Speaker 5: way you can trust these findings. The Chinese made the
46:24
Speaker 5: very important point that we must return the OPCW to
46:28
Speaker 5: operating within the Chemical Weapons Convention, and they made the
46:31
Speaker 5: point that all of the Syria operations and all of
46:33
Speaker 5: the Syrian investigations have become a hallmark of a politicized
46:37
Speaker 5: OPCW operating outside of the Chemical Weapons Convention, and they
46:41
Speaker 5: insist that it must be returned to operating within the
46:45
Speaker 5: CWC once this Syria phase has ended. So clear condemnation
46:49
Speaker 5: there from certainly from China that these operations, these investigations
46:53
Speaker 5: are not scientific, they're not objective, and they're essentially there
46:57
Speaker 5: to serve up or support the narrative which has been
47:00
Speaker 5: pushed for a long time, a narrative designed to enable
47:04
Speaker 5: the regime change war against Syria, which as we all know,
47:08
Speaker 5: was successful in twenty twenty four.
47:11
Speaker 1: Pierce, thank you very much for that report. That is
47:14
Speaker 1: fantastic and I let's Charles move on from chemical weapons
47:17
Speaker 1: to biological weapons.
47:21
Speaker 2: I think that's when we're putting it. Thank you very much, Mike.
47:23
Speaker 4: Now we've obviously discussed with regard to the Dartmoor Hill pony,
47:26
Speaker 4: the reason or at least the UK columns analysis as
47:30
Speaker 4: to where this has come from, and the sort of
47:32
Speaker 4: pursuit of fake food. Now there's been a recent and
47:36
Speaker 4: significant decision in the High Court with regard to government
47:39
Speaker 4: policy on genetic modification, and I'm going to take from
47:43
Speaker 4: the press release of Beyond GM, who took the case
47:48
Speaker 4: to the High Court a few snippets. In particular, the
47:52
Speaker 4: court found that the Minister was wrongly advised about the
47:54
Speaker 4: scope of his legal powers by his advisors and so
47:57
Speaker 4: pressed ahead with the regime lacking transparency, based on incorrect
48:01
Speaker 4: understanding of the powers available under the legislation. And this
48:05
Speaker 4: is remarkable really, this was uncovered in documents that were
48:07
Speaker 4: only released as a result of Beyond GM's legal case.
48:11
Speaker 4: The decision made by the Minister's sorry by the Minister
48:14
Speaker 4: and based on this wrong advice were found to be
48:16
Speaker 4: irrational and unlawful and also another significant part, I think
48:20
Speaker 4: for the UK Column audience, the court also recognized for
48:23
Speaker 4: the first time in case law that organic farming is
48:26
Speaker 4: not merely a technical standard or certification scheme. For many,
48:29
Speaker 4: it represents a distinct and fundamental set of values, principles
48:32
Speaker 4: and professional commitments which the regulations make much more difficult
48:36
Speaker 4: to maintain. Now, the full press release is detailed and
48:40
Speaker 4: there is a link to it in the show notes,
48:41
Speaker 4: so I would commend it to you, but I'm pleased
48:43
Speaker 4: to say that we have Pat Thomas, the director of
48:45
Speaker 4: Beyond GM, on the program with us today. So Pat,
48:48
Speaker 4: you're very welcome to the UK Column. Thanks for joining us.
48:50
Speaker 4: And I think my question to you, given that we
48:53
Speaker 4: can all go and read the detail in the press release,
48:56
Speaker 4: is what is the significance for those have pats a
49:00
Speaker 4: limited understanding of the bigger picture, What is the significance
49:04
Speaker 4: of this decision.
49:06
Speaker 9: Well, let's start with a simple fact. Eight and ten
49:09
Speaker 9: people in the UK want to see genetically modified organisms
49:14
Speaker 9: labeled so that they can make the choice to avoid them.
49:18
Speaker 9: And the problem with these regulations is they've took out
49:21
Speaker 9: all the labeling provisions.
49:23
Speaker 12: So this is a.
49:24
Speaker 9: Really significant finding that now puts the government on warning
49:29
Speaker 9: that it must provide transparency for these sorts of GMOs.
49:34
Speaker 9: And this is really important moving forward because gene editing
49:38
Speaker 9: genetic modification is a sort of flagship technology for a
49:43
Speaker 9: government whose entire food plan for the nation is more
49:47
Speaker 9: about techno food than it is about food in a
49:50
Speaker 9: sort of traditionally farmed or bred way. So we are
49:56
Speaker 9: now looking at a situation where the government is ready
50:00
Speaker 9: to introduce regulations for gene edited farm animals, for the
50:03
Speaker 9: use of gene edited microorganisms that's bacteria and viruses to
50:08
Speaker 9: you and I, to be deployed in the open environment
50:12
Speaker 9: as soil improvers, and new kinds of biological pesticides. We're
50:18
Speaker 9: looking at nanotechnologies and sprays that can be sprayed onto
50:23
Speaker 9: crops in order to change their genetic function, in other words,
50:28
Speaker 9: to press delay or accelerate farming or ripening of fruits.
50:32
Speaker 9: So there's a lot going on, and in relation to
50:34
Speaker 9: the story earlier about the Dartmouth ponies, there is now
50:38
Speaker 9: a commitment to use these kind of genetic technologies in
50:42
Speaker 9: wild nature to control say, invasive species or to You've
50:47
Speaker 9: probably seen the stories about, you know, reviving the mammoth
50:51
Speaker 9: and things like that. So there's a lot coming down
50:54
Speaker 9: the pipe, and I don't think our parliamentarians are anywhere
50:58
Speaker 9: near up to speed on what's coming and what the
51:02
Speaker 9: implications are, and so this judgment is really a way
51:05
Speaker 9: of saying to them, stop.
51:07
Speaker 4: And think, yeah, I think that's very well put, extremely concise,
51:12
Speaker 4: and I think people will be wondering what does it
51:15
Speaker 4: mean for them. I mean the other thing to point to,
51:17
Speaker 4: of course, is the sort of sneaky language that's being used,
51:20
Speaker 4: because there are terms like precision breeding, when, as you
51:23
Speaker 4: quite rightly point out, we are talking about genetic modification
51:26
Speaker 4: dressed up in effect as something else. In so far
51:30
Speaker 4: as the consumer is concerned, what are the likely changes
51:34
Speaker 4: that they will see, if any.
51:37
Speaker 9: So you're absolutely right to point that up. And those
51:40
Speaker 9: name changes are really important because it helps keep the
51:44
Speaker 9: issue under the radar. Everybody knows probably what GMOs are,
51:47
Speaker 9: but then GMOs became gene editing. Gene editing became precision breeding,
51:51
Speaker 9: and before long it'll be called engineering biology, and every
51:55
Speaker 9: time there's a name changed as a reset in the debate,
51:57
Speaker 9: that keeps the public out of the debate. So what
52:00
Speaker 9: we are pushing for now is for the regulations to
52:03
Speaker 9: be quashed and for new regulations to be brought in
52:06
Speaker 9: that include labels, just basic labels, so that people know
52:11
Speaker 9: what they're buying and what they're eating and how their
52:14
Speaker 9: food is produced. We know increasingly people want to know
52:17
Speaker 9: how their food is produced. This is a very important
52:21
Speaker 9: aspect of consumer choice. So that's the next phase. The
52:26
Speaker 9: judgment has identified the problem. We now are in negotiation
52:29
Speaker 9: with the government about how to fix it. But beyond that,
52:33
Speaker 9: I think consumers also want to know that their farmers
52:36
Speaker 9: understand what they're planting, and that the businesses that make
52:39
Speaker 9: the foods that they buy understand the ingredients that they're using.
52:43
Speaker 9: And so this level of transparency which was taken away
52:45
Speaker 9: from these GMOs now must be restored so that we
52:48
Speaker 9: all know what we're eating.
52:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly it, And I think the all is
52:53
Speaker 4: the important part. This does apply to everybody, pat just quickly,
52:56
Speaker 4: because of course this does directly or indirectly effect pretty
52:59
Speaker 4: much everybody. How can people get behind what you're doing.
53:02
Speaker 4: Obviously there's a link to the press release and therefore
53:04
Speaker 4: to your website. But is there any way in which
53:05
Speaker 4: people can actively support.
53:07
Speaker 9: You, I think at this juncture, yes, absolutely. If you're
53:11
Speaker 9: visiting the press release, you'll also see at the top
53:13
Speaker 9: of our website a right to your MP initiative, which
53:17
Speaker 9: we really want everybody to get behind because if the
53:20
Speaker 9: more MPs that can put pressure on the Secretary of State,
53:23
Speaker 9: the more likely it is that we can sort this
53:25
Speaker 9: out quickly. And we've made that really easy for people
53:28
Speaker 9: to do. All you have to do is use our
53:29
Speaker 9: eplatform and tell your MP that this is an important
53:33
Speaker 9: issue to you and you want it sorted out. We
53:36
Speaker 9: need to get a public behind this now rather than
53:39
Speaker 9: kind of sitting under the radar and not knowing what's happening.
53:42
Speaker 9: So it's very important.
53:45
Speaker 4: Terrific, Pat Thomas beyond Jim, thank you very much indeed
53:48
Speaker 4: for joining us, and Mike back to you.
53:50
Speaker 2: We'll skip over that last bit.
53:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, thank you for that, Charles. Now Vanessa, let's
53:57
Speaker 1: come back to you then, and what's going on with
54:01
Speaker 1: property in London?
54:05
Speaker 8: Right, So if we can just have this up on
54:08
Speaker 8: the screen, So this is from various pro Palestine organizations.
54:12
Speaker 8: The Home Secretary must block illegal Israeli settlement real estate
54:16
Speaker 8: event in London. What are they talking about? So it's
54:19
Speaker 8: Sunday the fourteenth, the Great Israeli which I find interesting
54:24
Speaker 8: rather than the Greater Israel The Great Israeli real Estate
54:27
Speaker 8: event in London twenty twenty six. Now, in previous years
54:31
Speaker 8: it's been held at Finchley Synagogue, Kinloss Gardens. There is
54:36
Speaker 8: there are no details as to the location this year,
54:39
Speaker 8: but if I've done searches, they've shown up this address.
54:45
Speaker 8: And this was a comment from Richard Bergen MP yesterday.
54:51
Speaker 11: Let's just imagine if this weekend in our capital city
54:56
Speaker 11: there were a Great Russian real a state event selling
55:02
Speaker 11: off Ukrainian land quite rightly without hesitation, the government would
55:08
Speaker 11: move to ban such an illegal event. This weekend in
55:13
Speaker 11: London there is the Great Israeli Realestate event openly advertising
55:21
Speaker 11: the illegal sale of land in illegally occupied Palestinian territories.
55:27
Speaker 11: The government has rightly recognized the state of Palestine. Surely
55:31
Speaker 11: given that we should now move to ban this event
55:36
Speaker 11: selling off land illegally in Palestine in our capital city
55:39
Speaker 11: this weekend here.
55:44
Speaker 8: And if we move on to Calum Miller, Liberal Democrat.
55:48
Speaker 8: He said, properties in illegal settlements in Gush Etzion are
55:52
Speaker 8: being marketed at the event. This is Palestinian land being advertised,
55:57
Speaker 8: boarded and sold on the streets of Capital. I would,
56:00
Speaker 8: of course argue that all of it is Palestinian land.
56:04
Speaker 8: And if we actually look at the advancement of settlement
56:07
Speaker 8: in what is left of the West Bank, so this
56:11
Speaker 8: is the fourth of June by peace. Now that keeps
56:14
Speaker 8: a record of all of the new settlement's advancement of
56:18
Speaker 8: two thousand, one hundred and sixty two housing units in
56:21
Speaker 8: the West Bank. And we also have to remember that
56:24
Speaker 8: this year Israel brought in new land regulation processes. Anyone
56:29
Speaker 8: with a claim to the land appropriated by the state.
56:32
Speaker 8: So the state will appropriate the land. The Palestinians must
56:35
Speaker 8: then produce documents proving ownership and if they don't, the
56:39
Speaker 8: land will keep them. Sorry, the state will keep the
56:42
Speaker 8: land and sell it off to the Israelis. Now, there
56:47
Speaker 8: is a number of petitions. I've just picked one out
56:51
Speaker 8: that you can go to. The link will be in
56:54
Speaker 8: the show notes, just basically saying tell the Home Secretary
56:58
Speaker 8: to stop the great Israeli real estate event, and as
57:01
Speaker 8: part of the letter they suggest you concern the event
57:04
Speaker 8: as a blatant attempt further Israeli land grabs within the
57:08
Speaker 8: West Bank by inviting new settlers to purchase stolen Palestinian land. Meanwhile,
57:13
Speaker 8: Palestinian refugees have been displaced by Israel since nineteen forty
57:17
Speaker 8: eight and their descendants had denied the ability to exercise
57:20
Speaker 8: their legally enshrined right of return. So, as I said,
57:25
Speaker 8: there are a number of petitions you can go and
57:28
Speaker 8: use them to put some pressure on the Home Secretary
57:31
Speaker 8: to stop the event. Now, while I was actually looking
57:35
Speaker 8: for information on how Yvette Cooper had responded, I thought, Mike,
57:40
Speaker 8: you might be interested in this. So this was back
57:42
Speaker 8: in August twenty twenty five. This was a freedom of
57:46
Speaker 8: information request at the time that Palestine Action were being prescribed.
57:51
Speaker 8: It is being said that Yvette Cooper received two hundred
57:54
Speaker 8: and fifteen thousand from the Israel lobby last year. Could
57:57
Speaker 8: you detail if this is correct, give all the information
58:01
Speaker 8: about it. They then go on to ask could you
58:03
Speaker 8: outline the rules on MP's receiving money, especially Home Secretaries, etc.
58:09
Speaker 12: Now you'll be.
58:09
Speaker 8: Interested to see that the reply that came in from
58:13
Speaker 8: the Home Office, thank you for your email, etcetera, etcetera.
58:16
Speaker 8: The Home Office does not hold the information which you
58:19
Speaker 8: have requested. It then goes on to tell you if
58:22
Speaker 8: you're dissatisfied with the response, you can of course email
58:25
Speaker 8: x y Z so Mike, very very familiar response from
58:31
Speaker 8: in response to an.
58:32
Speaker 1: FOI yeah, not no surprises there whatsoever. We'll talk more
58:38
Speaker 1: about that in extra have no diet Charles Let's and
58:41
Speaker 1: then with a bowler.
58:45
Speaker 4: Yes, well, in actual fact, this is really rather more
58:47
Speaker 4: about propaganda. So it's most apposite that appears is on
58:50
Speaker 4: the particular program with us, and I would point you
58:53
Speaker 4: towards the work of Clarissa Ward. We're just about to
58:55
Speaker 4: see her on screen. She describes herself as being the
58:59
Speaker 4: chief International Correspondent for CNN, and here she is reporting
59:03
Speaker 4: from the epicenter of the Ebola outbreaking DRC, making sure
59:06
Speaker 4: that everybody is very very scared about all the precautions
59:09
Speaker 4: that are necessary to take in order to get up
59:13
Speaker 4: close and personal with population there. But we'll just see
59:16
Speaker 4: how that did actually unfold. When she got out of
59:19
Speaker 4: her special suit and spoke to people.
59:24
Speaker 10: If you've got SIP, would you go to the hospital.
59:37
Speaker 2: Of course it's a Westerners medicines bringing.
59:45
Speaker 13: They give you injection, and that injections gives you.
59:57
Speaker 4: It's just kind of disturbing to you.
1:00:00
Speaker 5: Honestly, the number of people will believe this conspiracy theory that.
1:00:04
Speaker 2: Ebola comes from Western aid workers, that people.
1:00:08
Speaker 4: Shouldn't go to the hospital if.
1:00:10
Speaker 2: They get it, that they're better off seeking out traditional medicine.
1:00:16
Speaker 4: So it turns out some of those Africans know a
1:00:17
Speaker 4: little bit more than Clarissa was bargaining on. And just
1:00:21
Speaker 4: to illustrate with regard to the reference to propaganda, how
1:00:24
Speaker 4: a story may be used in such a way as
1:00:26
Speaker 4: to create the desired outcome, I thought it'd be interesting
1:00:28
Speaker 4: to point back to one of Clarissa's tweets from twenty fourteen.
1:00:32
Speaker 2: Here she is on Twitter. All views are my own.
1:00:35
Speaker 4: Thank goodness, one might say, because back in twenty fourteen
1:00:38
Speaker 4: she says, Dear God, please let this sexy Ebola nurse
1:00:42
Speaker 4: Halloween costume be for real. And indeed there it is
1:00:47
Speaker 4: on the Metro newspaper, with of course the all important
1:00:50
Speaker 4: caveat there. Please note this item is not suitable for
1:00:54
Speaker 4: protection against hazardous materials. Thank you very much, Jurissa Ward
1:00:58
Speaker 4: serious journalism.
1:00:59
Speaker 1: There, absolutely and what a way to end the program
1:01:03
Speaker 1: for today. So I'm going to say thank you very much,
1:01:06
Speaker 1: Charles and Vanessa, Piers, Joe and Pat thanks for joining
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