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Ep.277 'How AI is Revolutionizing MSK Rehabilitation’ with Tim Allardyce · The STA Clinician Podcast

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You're listening to the STA Clinician Podcast, connecting clinicians across healthcare.
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Known for the last five years or so as the Sports Therapy Association podcast.
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My name is Matt Phillips, creative1checklive.com. And as always,
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this episode is being recorded live on the Sports Therapy Association YouTube
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channel and Facebook page at eight o'clock UK time on a Tuesday.
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So in this episode entitled How Artificial Intelligence, AI,
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is Revolutioning MSK Rehabilitation, I'll be joined in a very few moments by
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Tim Allardyce, founder of Rehab My Patient, who will be discussing integration of AI into MSK Rehab,
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including some exciting developments in Rehab My Patient Exercise Prescription software.
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Before that, I must, as always, give a huge thanks to my guests in last week's
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episode 276, Physio-Athology, A New Lens.
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Mr. Matt Lowe and Anna-Maria Matsieri joined me to dissect the July 2025 paper,
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Physio-Athology, a Post-Humanist Perspective on Physiotherapy.
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Matt Lowe was an author, along with Roger Kerry, Fiona Moffat and David Nichols.
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The paper and the episode, which as always is available on YouTube and all popular
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podcast apps, looks at how MSK clinicians should shift from a narrow focus on
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correcting structural issues to supporting how bodies function within their lived environments.
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It emphasizes the importance of understanding patients, habitual context,
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their surroundings, relationships and interactions with both human and non-human
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elements and how these shape movement and recovery.
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The word philosophy does appear a few times in it, but please don't be put off by that.
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If anything, you'll understand how our philosophical biases are really important
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in understanding how we approach things in healthcare.
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And Matlow does an amazing job, as always, in talking us through how that makes
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sense. It's a really enlightening episode.
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As always, I'm biased, but hey, I would encourage you all to have a little listen
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with a nice cup of tea or coffee.
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And as I say, if you want to watch the video, it's on the YouTube channel,
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Sports Therapy Association, or you can listen to it on all popular podcast apps, including Spotify.
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Right then, back to tonight's episode 277, How Artificial Intelligence is Revolutionising,
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MSK Rehabilitation, with my special guest, the wonderful Tim Allardyce,
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founder of Rehab My Patient. Let's bring him up.
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Hey Tim, how are you doing? I'm good, Matt. How are you? Okay.
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I mean, it's like we're just chatting off air. It's been two and a half years.
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I feel like we've got a lot of catching up to do, but we'll do that.
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Where's two and a half years gone it feels like five months ago i was on the
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show you know it's weird oh yeah i just have to forget about that just park
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that for a side but um i mean it's great to see you again yeah you do and you
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haven't you don't change i know that i won't say it too many times but you are
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very familiar you can get away with using i'm getting more wrinkles look
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at these either no that's because you're frowning frowning you're
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frowning very exciting and and you know what the
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subject we're talking about when once i got over the fact that we're getting
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older it made me think wow look how ai has
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gone in two and a half years now everybody's just chat gpting
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it and like the kids and everybody and it's definitely changed a lot
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since we were talking about the expo 2023 so that's
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that's really exciting which we're going to get into and also with particular
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focus on rehab my patient for people who aren't aware from you which i always
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hope that out of our 3 000 or so downloads there's people who don't know you
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could you give us a little summary about who you are and how you got involved
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with rehab my patient yeah sure so
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i'm physiotherapist and osteopath and my name is tim and i created rehab my
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patient in originally 2005 one of my patients actually built it for me and it
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didn't really work very well you had to download it and then broadband came
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along and we rebuilt in 2011 relaunched in 2011 and just.
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Therapists that we worked with and contacts that we
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had people we met we just shared it about amongst them and
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feedback was always really really good and oh hi
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nicky that's a nice thing thanks it's lovely to to
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see thanks for joining and feedback was great and so
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we sort of commercialized it in about sort of sort of
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between 2011 and 2015 brilliant exercise software
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it's been rebuilt about five times now i
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think and this is the final iteration and it's oh
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he said that with confidence it's the final one is
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it no it's not no sorry it's not a final it's never final software is
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never final you're constantly constantly rebuilding it
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redeveloping it there's always new technology that
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comes in and actually there is new technology that's coming
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and we're utilizing that new technology and the new
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technology is ai and it's what's
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on everybody's minds and on the tip of everybody's
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tongues certainly is and i'm looking forward to
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hearing about how you've implemented that it's for people who
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have joined us thank you everyone just to remind you if you are watching us.
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For the first time on youtube or facebook if you have got a
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question or comment for tim or just a sharing of maybe
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your own use of ai in clinic then do feel free
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to leave a comment i will bring it up on the screen so it's a nice chance
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for you to share your logo and network a
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little bit so yeah that's the advantage of joining us live and feel
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free to do that right then before we
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get into ai and we have my patient then i
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think we should mention that you're off to do a little bit of climbing in april aren't you
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yeah just some small some small you know hills and you know a bit like snowden
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and uh you know and and and some some you know some small small mountains in
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nepal so yes i'm leaving for nepal on april the 10th for a big seven-week expedition and your goal.
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Goal summit three mountains island peak 6200 meters then off to everest 8848
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meters hopefully all the way to the top then back down and up to lotsy summit
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lotsy 8400 400 meters i think 8400.
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8400 meters that's the plan then back
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down and then hopefully you know my body
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won't be too decimated it'll be you know so i'll
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still be walking and presumably we'll be able to follow this
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on your facebook or linkedin there'll be photos all the way right
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there i'll do jb video logs i'll
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put on my newly set up youtube channel which is
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struggling and i'm very happy to to share you know i'll sort of post it and
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i'll let you know uh but yeah so you can google my name i've just set up an
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instagram account so you know i'm actually not very good at social media the
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business always had social media but but personally i wasn't very good at it
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so um i've had to set this stuff up and try and learn it myself,
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That's not surprising. That's because you're out training to do things like
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climbing Mount Everest.
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If I ask you why Mount Everest, are you just going to give me that classic because
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it's there? Or is there another kind of reason you chose that?
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Is it because it is the most famous kind of? It's the most famous.
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It's the biggest in the world. It's the biggest challenge.
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There's harder mountains to climb. I mean, K2 is harder. Annapurna is harder.
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But it's so famous. And it's just a pinnacle of mountaineering.
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So I'm planning to do it. I've been training very hard for 18 months.
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And I've done a number of mountains leading up to this.
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I had a great time in the Alps last summer and summited the Matterhorn and Mont Blanc.
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And the Matterhorn was incredible. i mean it's you know
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it's it's very very steep and um
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so yeah i mean i have a crazy time and if i was not talking
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to you right now matt i would be on my
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oxygen machine my hypoxic oxygen machine with this on i've got a machine down
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here i'll just switch it on it makes a very loud noise and uh this pumps low
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levels of oxygen so i've got this set up now about 6 500 meters so this It's
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pumped low oxygen into me. I keep this on for an hour.
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I do this once a day. And then I sleep in an altitude tent.
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So this is part of my altitude training to get your blood used to,
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you know, used to having very low levels of oxygen.
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So I have a pulse oximeter and I sit here with this thing on my finger and then
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I monitor my saturated oxygen.
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That's crazy. This is a whole episode on another side now, isn't it?
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And you've been kind of gradually increasing what you're exerting your body
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to using this equipment to bring yourself peak in April the 10th or whatever it is.
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Year i've been sleeping in the altitude tent since october oh
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wow so i've been very very very very very etching
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it up and up and up and up because it takes a lot of getting used to
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sleeping at altitude i mean like you pee all night you
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have headaches you wake up with headaches you don't sleep properly it
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gets very very hot in the tent there's no circulating air
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so you're constantly like breathing in your own carbon dioxide so
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it does mess you up so you have to really acclimatized
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i mean you're sleeping and you know i'll be sleeping tonight
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i'll be sleeping at about 10.5 percent oxygen so
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normal atmospheric oxygen is 20.9
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percent so it's around half and you
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can just imagine your body does not like half oxygen
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you know nothing recovers you know
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your body doesn't heal very well it must be a fantastic husband
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and father at the moment i'm sure it's uh you know it's
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uh k k is very patient
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um so but she's got a double bed on her own right she's very patient while i
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sleep uh nikki mansfield has asked the obvious question so the kids joining
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you on this trip i would love them to but no they're at school so not be uh
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not be not be uh not be the youngest kids in the world to climb everest they're
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gonna be staying at school.
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Amazing yeah right well look we're
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well there's definitely a show they're waiting for when you come back i'm
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sure yeah that'd be absolutely incredible and and
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look forward to tracking on the way and following and stuff on search
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yeah that'd be absolutely incredible and you're raising some money for some courses
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that are very close to your heart you want to give them a shout out yes so i'm
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raising quarter of funds will go to the osteopathic foundation
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i was a board member on there for seven or eight years a quarter
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of funds to guys in st thomas's that support my wife who had
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a kidney transplant a quarter of funds were
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going to an education group and a quarter of funds would be going
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to the team the sherpa team that are going to support me so the
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sherpas rely on donations and gifts and you know and tips and stuff so that'll
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be going towards the sherpas that's fantastic if you're joining us live or watching
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the video then there is a just giving which makes me think there's only 26 people
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who have like ever had a just giving page for ever Chris,
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because you are the normal justgiving.com forward slash crowdfunding forward slash.
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And then it's just Everest 26. I'm thinking, what are you? Number 26 has done this or?
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Yeah it's just 2026 so um
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oh is that what it is um i didn't originally have everest
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2026 but i did it and it
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got deactivated so i then had to reset up with everest
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26 26 so that's quite easy if you people listening
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you just want to go to it quick then just google justgiving.com crowdfunding
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everest 26 and you should find tim's familiar face but
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yeah um i think you set a target 7 500 and
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you're on about six and a half or something or so it's not far to go far off
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yeah and you're leaving in about what a month in
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it one month today okay okay come on man is this man
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is sleeping in 10 oxygen so to help
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him along the way then that'd be great wonderful we'll make sure that link goes
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in the show notes yeah absolutely incredible brilliant testimony to you i think
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it's we were talking off air apart from i mean a lot of our members in sta and
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a lot of our listeners are familiar with rehab and my patient but i think i
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don't want to say this without kind of,
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romancing you too much but it's always nice to know the guy
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behind a company and behind a bit of software and
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you know and and people i think people admire you for that they
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know about these sort of things you do in your private life and and um
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yeah and it just shows that energy which you've got and that passion goes into
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the product you produce and i think rehab my patient brims with that so it's
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really cool that listeners know a little bit about you so thank you for that
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sharing all that right talking of which then so tonight we're talking about
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yeah ai as you say it's just.
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Increase its use across the board. Even now, we don't even need it.
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Once upon a time, we'd say, what do we mean by AI?
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Now, everyone's familiar with it. It's like having a candle, isn't it?
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Yeah. And people aren't quite so scared of it, I don't think anymore.
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But I think as soon as you put healthcare in the equation and people kind of
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see these reports and AI are placing
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GPs and all that sort of stuff and AI doing a better job of empathy,
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I think it'd be interesting if we did go through some of the potential worries
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and fears of allowing AI too much into healthcare.
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And then, not start on a negative, but just address them and see if you face
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them, if you think them and what you think about them.
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And then we'll have a little look at the actual, we have my patient in action,
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if that's right. Does that sound okay?
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Yeah. We could. So this goes for people who are listening and joining us as
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well. If you have joined us live, then fantastic.
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Do take its advantage if you wish to ask us a question.
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Have you got any reservations about getting AI involved in healthcare and MSK healthcare?
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Then if you have, than do leave something in the comments. I'm going to fire
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a few which I'm familiar with.
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It's not necessarily me who's got this, but I know they're kind of common things.
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So the first one, I'll get this going. If you have got something,
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just add them in the comments.
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I think one of the ones that raises its head quite a lot is the whole idea of
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data privacy and risks like that.
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So is that something which you've come across and you're aware that unless a
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job's done properly when it comes to software, it could lead people to problems?
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Or are we now at a stage where.
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It's far less dangerous the idea of
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kind of potential breaches or sensitive data
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getting out there in the wrong hands yeah so so
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i mean it depends because some there's
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a number of risks a number of concerns with ai
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is what you put in to the
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ai could potentially you know
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either teach the ai or it could be shared or
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it could be public and then that's that's a big concern so
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that data you input into it what happens to that
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data where does it go and so we we
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actually luckily don't have that issue because the ai links
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to our data and everything stays within we have my patient
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so it doesn't have any clinician information doesn't have
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any names it simply uses our database so so
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we're in quite a good position i think there's definitely there's
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definitely a concern a privacy concern when
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ai listens to people's conversations so
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you'll be familiar with names like heidi patient notes
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mode ticks and others but i don't worry about
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that i was at a an nhs clinic entrepreneur event
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about three or four weeks ago and actually the government are pushing
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big time pushing the use of ai and gp practices so they're pushing the use of
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of listening to patient conversations i think you know i i think that the models
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are probably very very safe so i think the risk is very small but but for us
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there's there's zero risk that's cool yeah Yeah, that makes sense.
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All you're doing is using the database you've got already and it's all stored.
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Exactly. We use database. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's cool.
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That's good for people to know. Wonderful. Okay.
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What else? What about the general idea that AI is never going to be as...
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Specific enough for a human being it could just generate standard three by ten
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programs or kind of progressions and and that's it's never going to be as good
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as a human being thinking it up.
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Yeah i mean it's it's compared to
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which human being because we all describe differently don't
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we we've all got our own exercises in favor we've all
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got our own style we've all got our own perception you
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know i mean some physios just want to prescribe exercises 10
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reps and three sets you know and others want
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to go into much more detail so i think you know what the
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thing about ai is it doesn't replace a
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clinician right you have control right and we're not going down that road where
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you don't need tim anymore you don't need matt you don't need john and jeff
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and and simon because the ai does the job for you this is a big worry with physiotherapy
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especially nhs physio therapy, right?
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Because AI is a real risk for NHS physio. It's not for manual therapists.
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And for manual therapists, it's a support tool. All it does is it helps you with decision making.
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You choose whether to accept it or not. You can edit it or accept it or not accept it.
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And it speeds up your exercise prescription. So it's a huge win for therapists.
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And if you don't want to use it, you don't need to. So it's your choice.
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I mean, I can tell you now, there's about a thousand prompts a day right now
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being used on Rehab My Patient.
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So it's being used quite a lot, much more than we thought it would be.
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That's interesting to know. So, and is it, and forgive my ignorance here,
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but is it a case of the more prompts that are put in, the more superior the
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system gets because it can start
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helping and suggesting prompts or understanding what you're putting in?
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So, no, we are not using a system where the AI learns from the exercise plans
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that are created because that does create an additional privacy issue.
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Okay. That's what you're saying about AI listening.
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Yeah. so the ai can't learn from
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the exercise plans that people put in okay and
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so we deliberately make it like that so now
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we can train the model so we if we
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notice let's say we create an exercise plan and we have this is
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an exact problem we have we put and create a knee
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plate pain program and the first four exercises were
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all icing the knee in different positions right so
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it's exercise one icing it supine exercise two icing it
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sitting exercise three icing your knee sitting within leg elevated
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but obviously this is not going to
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work so we then train the model and say no only
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one ice exercise per plan okay so we so that's how we train it we don't train
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it on using it's not it's not a machine learning there's no machine learning
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from from people's plans that's quite interesting though isn't it and i'm glad
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you answered that because it almost like you say one, it can make it safer.
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And two, it kind of gets rid of this idea that the AI eventually is going to.
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Produce programs without any form of reasoning or or
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some kind of like you know that it's that it's going to start
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working things out for itself that's not the case here all it's
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doing is speeding up things which would take you maybe an
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hour to put together and then send out and all that yeah or
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it may take you two minutes and now it takes you 20 seconds yeah yeah
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yeah yeah and you choose to reject it or like i mean
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you you might like it i mean it will make plans and you'll you'll
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say actually i don't agree with that exercise why would it put a why
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would it put a double knee hug for a back pain
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you know the patient's got a disc problem i don't want to i don't
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want that exercise so you just delete it and
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you say no but the others actually are quite like oh that's a good idea
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and also it's a brilliant tool for students because students
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are like actually i'm not really sure about what exercises to
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prescribe what the ai gives you a a good
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idea so it's it's a support it's an amazing support
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tool it it doesn't it doesn't do
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the it doesn't make you benign it doesn't
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you don't become redundant in the process it
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literally is an add-on that you can add on to your treatment
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you do the therapy you do the manual treatment
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you do the the exercises at the end of a session and
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it just speeds it up fantastic so
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that kind of answers the next thing i had put down as a possible barrier
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for people are thinking that this sort of thing the more we.
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Use ai the more we're going to actually reduce clinical
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skills that the clinician is not going think of themselves but from
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what you just said that's not the case not in this case
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no there will be cases where that
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will happen and i this
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is not a you know we've got to think in the future what's going to happen i
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mean jobs will go people's roles will be made redundant will be replaced by
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ai that's not going to happen in sports therapy sports massage therapy osteopathy chiropractic
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Like, hands-on, fair beat.
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That's not going to happen. But it will happen.
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Potentially in jobs where you are purely
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an exercise prescriber or you're purely a diagnostic
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or examining clinician very interesting
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so and also again i saw you go ahead so you know this is this is a very much
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changes on the horizon and it will be interesting how this develops because
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i think that a certain proportion of hospital physiotherapists might have to redefine their job Mmh.
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Yeah, no, it's good to think ahead though. I mean, with my, I've got students
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who on, by some teachers, they're told, don't use chat GPT, don't want to use any AI.
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And then they come to my class. I'm like, use AI, but learn how to use it properly
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and sensibly where you're not just copying and pasting stuff,
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you know, because you're going to need as an adult working in the future to
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be able to use AI and get to know it and know how to use it properly.
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So there's an interesting conversation that goes on. If you're not using it,
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you're definitely going to get left behind.
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You are going to get left behind. you really are and
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and you know and and this is it is going
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to engulf our lives it's there it's staying it's a
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huge deal so i think we need to
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embrace it and use it to support whatever is
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whatever aspect it could be running business it could be marketing it could
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be reading contracts it could be legal work it could be complaints but we need
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to utilize it to support our decision making very interesting people who i've
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got the impression that people who are watching is just scribbling things down madly on paper.
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We'd love to hear from you. If you've joined us live, then remember you can
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leave questions and just to share experiences of whether you've used it and
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it's gone wrong or whether you've just suddenly stumbled upon something which
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has saved you loads of time.
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Because I think time is one of the biggest things that AI can positively help,
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you know, those kind of jobs where you're not giving as good a service,
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you know, and that sort of stuff.
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So, and this is an example of that, isn't it? It's just kind of back on the
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time. It just saved time. Yeah.
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Very cool. Okay. Last question, just preparing for what people might think. What about costs?
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Is AI still relatively expensive as an add-on when you're using it in clinic
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or has the price come down now?
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The price has come down. It's not as expensive as it used to be.
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And it does cost us money to integrate AI. So every time a prompt is made, it does cost pennies.
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So we charge a small additional subscription.
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We charge two pounds per month per practitioner.
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It's not much, two pounds per month. You know, it's,
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You know, it's a small amount, it's a fraction of price of a consultation,
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but it just helps cover our costs for the prompts and the development time and stuff like that.
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So it's affordable. So people who, because quite a few people,
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I'm happy to say, are probably already using Rehab My Patients.
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So people who are listening to this the first time and thinking,
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oh, how much is it going to cost though? Here we go.
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We're looking at, is that like a start price of £2 a month, depending on what
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you do? Or is that what it is?
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No, that's what it is. it is two pounds per month
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and that's the extra price so we've gone from 11 pounds
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42 to 13 pounds 42 so that's the
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price that's that's the price very cool yeah
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okay okay so if you are out there and you're already using it
23:22
then let us know about things like integration or or other
23:26
things we might not have mentioned then and these days i mean 13 quid
23:29
a month you know 13 quid 42 a month two cups of coffee
23:32
it's not that much you know we always i
23:35
always wanted it to be affordable i never wanted to be so
23:38
crazy that we price people out it's it's it's not designed
23:41
to be that sort of product i want people to use it to enjoy it and for it to
23:45
be affordable and so and and i really stand by that and it always has been affordable
23:49
and it still is affordable you know we've never put our prices up other than
23:53
this additional model it's always remained our base price was 1142 and that
23:58
was since 2011 so it's a small small amount.
24:02
Very cool. Okay, right then. Okay, so we've talked about possible barriers.
24:07
I think we've covered them very cool.
24:08
We're not talking about the same sort of AI that's listening and maybe collecting
24:12
your data or being stored somewhere.
24:14
It's not that at all. It purely is AI to speed up stuff, which normally take
24:19
you long, so that's great.
24:20
Let's have a look at, yeah, in progress.
24:23
What we're talking about then is just a little screenshot there of AI plan generator.
24:27
There is videos out there. If you go to Rehab My Patient on Facebook,
24:31
i think in on linkedin in linkedin instagram
24:35
instagram now as well instagram uh just
24:38
at rehab my patient and and youtube.com forward
24:41
slash rehab my patient that'd be a good one yeah we'll
24:44
make sure we've got 90 000 subscribers now on
24:47
on youtube brilliant that's probably best place to see
24:49
this in action when it's the kind of issue you want to see i'm going
24:52
to play a video now which you've already shared but without your voice
24:56
commenting over the top because i thought what we'd do is we'd just let it play
24:58
and then yeah pause it at places when we see what's going on so as we're watching
25:03
people i can pause it whenever so if you ever got a question you want to jump
25:05
in then feel free and this will look familiar to people who've already got we
25:09
have my patient otherwise it'll give you a little look at what it involves so
25:13
i will change over that now.
25:15
So it's a normal logging in thing we have my patient the ultimate
25:19
tool for exercise prescription subscribe to youtube channel
25:22
so to get
25:26
this upgrade people with we have
25:28
my patient what do they do is they're like just a bus on there where they
25:31
just yeah so they get they get five free prompts a day at the moment we might
25:35
reduce to three free prompts today so you get five free prompts every day as
25:38
part of the end of part of subscription if you want more you go to the settings
25:42
you've toggled a little toggle to pro plan and it costs you two pounds per practitioner
25:48
per month okay and how many prompts is that for.
25:51
Unlimited i kind of thought that was
25:54
gonna be the answer but i was kind of thinking if it was everyone else it would be 100 and
25:57
then if you go to a platinum yeah it'll be 200 yeah
26:00
it's unlimited very cool yeah okay so far so
26:03
good so if you're listening to podcasts you can't see this but basically
26:06
we're just logging into if you imagine a piece of software kit
26:08
logging it as always and once you've done that your patient list
26:11
will come up as normal yeah you select your clinic and then
26:14
your patient list is there fantastic um so
26:17
that's something in theory you've already populated um you're not yes yes
26:20
you can you can import your patient list or you add it manually and then
26:24
this is a familiar page you'll be familiar it's like
26:26
that chat gbt prompt it says hello tim hello matt how can i help you today and
26:32
then you're going to put in can you create me an exercise plan for a patient
26:35
with low back pain or for this problem or shoulder impingement or rotator cuff
26:41
tear or you know any number of diagnoses or you could be more specific you could to say,
26:46
create me a plan for a 70-year-old patient with...
26:50
A disk problem you know and so it will then look and
26:53
create a plan using our database that's really
26:56
cool in like 2026 because most people i think maybe
26:59
not everyone if you're not this is an opportunity to go for
27:02
it because you're missing out promise you but people are familiar with chat
27:05
gpt maybe copilot as part of microsoft it's kind
27:08
of in there now isn't it and a lot of people are just familiar with this putting a
27:10
prompt yes it's a prompt thing yeah people are scared
27:13
by prompts i think people think i'm gonna have to learn code or something but
27:16
you soon pick up donnie what the program will
27:19
understand and what sort of information you need put in have you got any tips
27:22
when it comes to prompts as in what will give you better information be
27:25
specific be specific and you can always go back and edit
27:28
the prompt if you don't like the output so what you
27:31
put in often determines what comes out okay so
27:35
that's cool to know as well it's not like you've got 100 to use if you make
27:37
a mistake then you've used one um you can learn as you say it's good for students
27:40
you can learn as you go yeah so i think on the screen what we've got is on this
27:44
video you put in uh create an exercise plan for acute lower back pain that's
27:48
going to happen a lot and then you added a bit more information which i think
27:50
was focused on mobility exercises.
27:53
That was your prompt and then when you press it yeah in absolutely
27:56
no time at all it comes up with your yeah
27:59
so it's created a mobility program for back pain yeah and
28:03
and so i'm looking at that and actually you know i don't
28:05
quite like the foam roller one it might be a bit early for a
28:08
foam roller exercise so i could actually delete that if i wanted to
28:11
and we've actually added a little delete icon it
28:14
wasn't on this video but you select your patient so
28:17
it's create the plan you select patient and there's the plan then you
28:20
email it and print it and it's it's gone it's there
28:22
but like here's a you know here's a sort of edit if i don't like it i can edit
28:27
it i can remove the exercise i might not like the sets and reps so so i can
28:31
change the exercise very quickly so it's it's it's it's speeding up the the
28:36
process but you still have control you're not it's not automated fully through.
28:42
You get to press the go button. You get to press the send button.
28:45
And you decide. Very clever. And for people unfamiliar with Viet My Patient,
28:49
then obviously you've already got such a massive library of photos and exercises.
28:53
I think the last time I spoke to you, which again was like two and a half years
28:58
ago or something, I think that is when you'd added, what do you added to it? Something new?
29:02
The S&C section. Was it the S&C section? Yeah, with the strength conditioning.
29:06
Yeah, about a thousand strength conditioning. That was a whole load of exercises,
29:08
wasn't it? Yeah, big dump.
29:10
Yeah, that's a nice way of putting it. This makes me think of you on Everest again.
29:14
But is there anything else been added since then or was that
29:17
now everything you could possibly want in there yeah we have we've had added
29:20
a few few things a lymphatic group program and a and if you are a bit space
29:24
horses as well yeah so a few categories and one of the things for people listen
29:30
to podcast again which you can't appreciate is i mean this may well be the case
29:35
with other programs but with rehab my patient i'm not doing a like a.
29:39
Demo sales thing here i'm not getting a commission but it kind of
29:41
looks pucker it's like it's which is so important with
29:44
patients paying you decent money you need to give them something back
29:47
in the day i thought i'll just draw a stick man give it on
29:50
a bit of paper and it's fine but you know what
29:53
some clients might enjoy that if they know you and they're not expecting any
29:56
more but if you really are trying to appeal to everybody it's the
29:59
detail isn't it it's the profession it's the detail and it's
30:02
got your logo on it's got your address on it's it's branded
30:05
your clinic and that's really important it's
30:09
very cool that's good yeah the branding support especially in
30:12
these days when the chances are like you demonstrate on this that you
30:16
are going to email them it or even like i think i saw on
30:19
the video you can whatsapp it these days because a lot of people are like that
30:22
which is really important rather than because a lot of people want something
30:26
there and then don't they it's the other thing with population these days we've
30:29
all grown out all of us of wanting things now now now swipe get receive we're
30:33
not waiting for something in a few days time So, very cool.
30:37
I think on the video now, what you do is you go and put in another prompt.
30:40
I think this was the one where you were, this was for the age 70, hip osteoarthritis.
30:45
Yeah. So, you can be specific with the age because we've got different age groups
30:49
of patients in Rehab My Patient, which is quite cool.
30:52
So, if an older patient comes in, you probably want to choose an older model.
30:59
And so, we just demonstrated that.
31:00
That's very clever. And it shows also how you can just choose the exercise yourself
31:04
if you want to. if you want to put in something which you feel will be better.
31:07
Yeah. So here's Reet, who's, you know, when she shot this, she was in her 80s.
31:12
And she's doing some, you know, mobilizations for her and some strengthening exercises and whatnot.
31:18
That's such a great detail. So just to repeat that, an older client,
31:22
you're not going to give them some kind of videos or pictures of people who
31:26
are younger out of their context.
31:29
You're putting something which they can feel with.
31:31
Yeah, exactly. It's very clever. It is really clever. And this is where,
31:36
again, we train the model to make sure it picks age-appropriate exercises.
31:40
That's really good. Yeah, that's a big tick. Very cool.
31:44
And we know that, like we were talking last week with the physiothology and that,
31:48
the context and the sensory input which
31:51
patients are receiving apart from the exercise if they walk
31:53
out of your clinic feeling listened to and looked after and and
31:56
the following exercise which they can relate to as opposed to some
31:59
you know young person who is totally out of
32:02
their environment and they can't relate to it and that's gonna make a big difference
32:04
on adherence and belief and all these things which can affect the pain and everything
32:09
so very really cool very good when did this get rolled out about a month ago
32:15
and this is quite cool so what we've got is this If you want to select your own exercises,
32:21
if you click that turquoise button, it will then input the plan name and the sets and reps.
32:26
So you pick the exercises, you decide a program.
32:29
It's just going to save you typing a plan name.
32:32
So it's figured out what the exercises are doing. So this one's shoulder mobility
32:37
and pain relief. I think that says.
32:39
So it's because there's a nice exercise and it's putting all the sets and reps.
32:43
So it's a bit of a hassle in putting sets and reps. So it just does it for you now.
32:48
And will it change the sets and reps depending on criteria you give it or? Not that one.
32:52
You'd have to specify that in the first version.
32:56
This one will just input sets and reps, which it feels are right for that. Fantastic.
33:02
Very cool. Yeah, very cool. So it just saves your time.
33:06
It's just, okay, I don't want to keep typing three sets of 10 reps,
33:11
you know, five times a week.
33:12
It will just do it for you. Yeah, very good.
33:16
Right so people can see all about that on youtube which we'll make sure goes into the notes as well,
33:22
wonderful as we i mean this is not just for sta members
33:25
this podcast whatsoever and we're absolutely thrilled that we've
33:28
got our listenership has gone up or downloads
33:31
has gone up massively like by a thousand over the over the last
33:34
month so we welcome everybody who's listening to us but if
33:37
you are an sta member and you can be an sta member
33:40
then there's a discount isn't there for sta members which i think
33:43
they go along to the membership group don't they yeah so
33:46
if you log into the sta website and go to the members section there'll be a
33:50
you know a link you can use which which gets you three months free and 10 discount
33:54
which is cool and do join the sta because it's brilliant it's such a well-run
33:59
friendly warm organization you know gary does an incredible job,
34:04
that'll be a lovely sandbite we'll use that thank you very much tim yeah no
34:08
worries right i'm I mean, it's a fantastic kit, and it's everything I expected.
34:13
It fits in so nicely with the ethos and the look of rehab our patient already.
34:17
I'm interested, if we can, for the next day. We've got about 20 minutes left. You are busy.
34:21
We didn't mention in the beginning, but how many clinics have you got running,
34:24
or have you had running? I think it's six.
34:28
It's hard to get track, because we're in GP practice as well.
34:32
But actual standalone main clinics, I think, six.
34:35
So Sutton, Mitchum, Ballum, West Wimbledon now is a new one.
34:40
Croydon, as I say, Croydon, and Farnborough. I think six, yeah.
34:44
Right. And are they multidisciplinary, or does it depend on the clinic?
34:47
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're multidisciplinary. So we've got massage therapists at several clinics.
34:51
We've got physios, osteopaths, and we've got podiatrists at one clinic.
34:56
We're really open to, you know, other experts and professions.
35:01
Fantastic. Which one, out of interest, I think I knew the answer to this once,
35:04
but which one did you do first, physiotherapy or osteopathy?
35:07
First of all, trains an osteopath, and then retrains as a physio. and out
35:10
of interest because i think of interest to our listeners what made you do
35:13
the physiotherapy afterwards oh once i felt too
35:16
many barriers as an osteopath getting into sport i wanted to
35:19
be involved in sport and and since i've now
35:21
been to just got back from my eighth olympic games
35:24
in milano cortina and that was a big help for that was was to do this right
35:31
now actually those barriers have narrowed and actually there's loads of osteopaths
35:34
and chiropractors involved in sport but back 23 years ago that wasn't the case
35:40
and there was a lot of you know people didn't really
35:42
know osteopathy it wasn't it just wasn't so well
35:45
known as it is now and even now physio is more well known yeah it's interesting
35:49
we've had a few people on the show about that and even i can't remember who
35:51
we had last time even sports therapy now are being brought along and yeah they're
35:57
all very much in there aren't they as part of the team yeah yeah yeah right
36:00
we've got a question here Stuart, let me just amplify this so I can see it.
36:04
Stuart Sahan says, AI can help streamline exercise prescription and save clinicians time.
36:08
Given that poor rehab adherence is often the biggest barrier in MSK rehabilitation,
36:13
could AI have a bigger role in supporting adherence to rehab programs?
36:18
Good question i think ai supports clinicians
36:21
prescribing more regularly because this is making it much
36:24
quicker to prescribe because it's a bit of a hassle isn't it like you know you've
36:27
got to find a minute two minutes at the end of each session to do something
36:30
i think it will improve adherence because it will encourage more prescribing
36:35
which we know is good for patients we know i mean there's so much evidence behind
36:39
doing exercises positive evidence we know it helps patients.
36:44
We know getting a mobile helps them mentally and physically.
36:47
So the more exercise plans are prescribed, I think that the better for patients.
36:52
Good answer. Stuart, I'm interested whether what you think the answer to your
36:55
own question is, if you'd like to follow up and see, yeah, hear what you do as well.
37:00
And yeah, what do you think the answer to your own question is? It'd be interesting.
37:02
Gary Benson has said, I'd better donate after that soundbite.
37:07
There you go. Told you that again. Thank you, Gary.
37:09
Oh, I couldn't resist it. There you go, Gary. I put in a hundred,
37:12
Gary. It's up to you. You don't have to match it, but it's totally up to you.
37:16
I do, Gary, just in case that's a joke. hundred thousand thanks i didn't see
37:21
the just given paper thank you.
37:24
Wonderful yeah so i'm interested you've got six clinics multidisciplinary so
37:28
lots of different you know needs and stuff in there have you how
37:30
much do you use ai in different ways just something our listeners might
37:33
be interested in what your experience has helped your clinics run well it's
37:36
really interesting because i've been really battling with ai
37:39
and the reason i've been battling because everyone talks
37:43
about ai in healthcare but actually very few
37:47
people are actually using it for clinical
37:50
support so so actually most
37:53
people talk about ai are simply using chat gpt as a
37:56
prompt service as an information service there's only
37:59
two real use cases that i can
38:02
see by manual therapists and clinicians right now and
38:05
that's the heidi style note-taking and we
38:09
have my patient exercise prescription i don't see any other
38:12
good use cases of ai other than administrative and
38:15
clinical but i mean clinical decision making
38:18
that's the only ones i can see so we do use ai
38:21
we use it so for example we have an ai complaint
38:24
um gpt okay so we log every single complaint and the ai responds to the complaint
38:32
and then we copy the response to the patient and that's excellent because the
38:37
problem with complaints and
38:38
we all get them we we get a you know we don't get a lot but we get them,
38:44
is that you get emotional.
38:46
And what AI does is it takes the emotion out of the complaint.
38:49
And it's incredibly polite.
38:52
So it's a brilliant complaint manager. So if you ever get a complaint, stick it into ChatGPT.
38:58
Actually, we have it that integrates directly into our software.
39:01
And it gives a response. And we've got an API that connects it.
39:06
And we have a GPT that's set up, which specifically is trained on our clinics.
39:11
So we use a complaint manager. and we
39:14
use it for marketing and social media so it's
39:18
brilliant for creating graphics they do look a
39:21
bit ai generated so they're not like you've
39:24
taken a photo with a professional photographer but they're
39:28
quite good for social media and i'll tell you the other thing i use ai for is
39:32
absolutely brilliant so we recently took over a clinic in west wimbledon and
39:36
we had to take a new lease on the premises i got a 40 page lease document and
39:44
this thing you know these contractual,
39:47
things they they blow your mind and before you'd
39:50
have to have a 2 000 pound lawyer to
39:53
handle that now i put the document into chat gpt it gives me feedback on all
39:59
the points that it doesn't like or does like or whatever it gives you feedback
40:03
and i went backwards and forwards with the other party solicitor who they paid
40:08
three grand for and i did it all myself without solicitor.
40:13
And it's all gone through and I got the stuff changed that I didn't like.
40:16
And the chat GPT said it wasn't very good.
40:18
So for contracts, and we all come across contracts for room rentals,
40:22
room leases, premises, staff contracts. It's brilliant.
40:28
So that's been really positive for us. Just drag and drop a document,
40:33
any document. It could be a letter from the council.
40:35
It could be a lease. It could be a letter from a lawyer.
40:38
It could be, you know, some sort of legal thing. drop
40:42
it into chat gpt brilliant that's good
40:45
advice like you say that is the sort of thing which can take up a
40:48
lot of time a lot of stress you imagine a
40:51
40 page lease document it's stressful
40:55
and a half of it don't understand chat gpt
40:59
goes through it in seconds and it's
41:02
read the whole document seconds and then it'll print
41:04
you out a whole list of things it likes things it doesn't like
41:07
things that you should question things that seem unfair things
41:10
that seem heavy towards the landlord whatever that's an example we
41:13
did the whole clinic purchase without a lawyer on
41:17
our end just using chat gpc what you mentioned clinical note-taking heidi example
41:25
we kind of want to get on the show we'll have to try and get heidi on the show
41:28
we're in contact with them but because a lot of people have they've done very
41:31
well in getting the name out there because i think there's a few of them isn't
41:33
there with yes women's names not quite sure what that's all about it's.
41:37
Yeah. Gain as well. Yeah. What's that one about? Yeah, I mean, it's going to be loads.
41:41
I mean, there's actually, right now, speaking to the NHS, there's 20 clinical
41:46
note-taking softwares. Do you know how many female names?
41:49
Sorry? Do you know how many female names?
41:51
I don't know. I think I'm in covering something here. I know.
41:55
I think this is a little bit of a step. Yeah.
41:58
We need a Jonathan out there, somebody. Let's get a little bit of stereotypes, please.
42:03
Anyway, and we digress. Yeah, we had an interesting chat a little bit off air.
42:06
You so you don't is it just you personally or do
42:08
other people in your clinics use note taking or yeah so a
42:11
couple of our fcps are using the free version of heidi and
42:15
i think that there's it's good when there's a language barrier with the clinician
42:19
so that's that's a factor i don't think it will be so widely adopted in sports
42:24
therapy i think that clinical note taking is less and and there's i think most
42:30
people probably just type or write their notes so but but it's going to get very, very big.
42:34
And I think we'll see all GPs having some form of clinical listening device
42:40
in their consultation, which I think will be really, really good.
42:43
And the reason I think it will be really good is because I'd like to see a case
42:47
where all clinical consultations are recorded.
42:50
And the reason why I'd like to see that is because sometimes there is a discrepancy
42:55
when you get a complaint between what the clinician said and what the patient heard.
43:00
And if it's recorded that discrepancy goes away and there are cases where things
43:07
go wrong in consultation rooms and we wish that consultation was recorded so
43:13
I'm really really pro and I think this will be very important in GP and primary care.
43:18
Good point. You raise a very interesting point. On my communication course,
43:23
we talk a lot about it and the potential advantages of just,
43:26
if you are with a patient who wants that eye contact.
43:29
That mirroring of body image, that not turning away and not wondering what have you written down there?
43:34
Because you know what it's like if you have got a patient in pain and every
43:36
time they give an answer and you're kind of going, it's kind of like,
43:40
what have they written? Oh God, what have I said? Does that mean I'm broken?
43:41
So I think there are advantages with some patients of being
43:44
able to just give them everything and just have it recorded with
43:47
their permission everything but um yeah it will depend i
43:50
know it will get rid of that horrible situation which i think sadly
43:53
gps a lot of gps because
43:56
they're forced into it just that 50 minutes of not even
43:59
looking at the patient and typing and that that's just a real
44:02
empathy breaker isn't it so it's how you use it again isn't it
44:04
yeah yeah interesting i'm sure when you
44:07
are because you're a great typer i'm sure when you're typing away you're
44:10
maintaining that kind of interest and and you
44:13
know yeah that that environment they need in
44:16
order to talk so yeah so i i mean i'm
44:19
really waiting for ai to develop that it's it the
44:21
listening picks up really accurately what is
44:25
said because there are some issues where it doesn't quite
44:28
pick up exactly what the patient says and then the notes have
44:31
to be edited at the end and it gets a bit of
44:33
a hassle so so you know and and they
44:36
do vary between different software as people say so
44:40
so you know i i think that as the technology develops
44:43
and eai gets smarter i think it will be a better use case i still think it's
44:48
reasonably early with patient note-taking but a lot of people are using it successfully
44:52
and heidi's very very big now it's just had a massive multi multi-million pound
44:57
tens of million pound fundraiser i think they just raised something like 50
45:00
million dollars or something.
45:02
That's very cool. Heidi, we do want you on the show, Heidi, but we also want
45:05
a discount for STM members. So we'll just talk about that before you come on.
45:08
But we'd love to talk to you. Motix is another one.
45:11
Motix, I see what we're getting. Motix, yeah. And patient notes is another one
45:13
that seems to be sort of being banded around.
45:16
But Motix is good for, I mean, I had a demo of them a while ago.
45:23
That's good. It does seem that as far as the feedback I've got is quite a few
45:28
of them offer free trials as well.
45:29
So you can kind of get an experience of them because it is still early days.
45:32
You can understand why people are a little bit hesitant but you can test them
45:35
out before you actually commit to them but as you say yeah
45:39
i don't know whether some are better than others in terms of data and where
45:41
it's being stored and that sort of stuff i guess um a little
45:45
bit of research we go to that wonderful you're very
45:48
quiet today people listening there's quite a few out there but
45:50
you're not bringing any questions there so if you've
45:53
got anything finally you'd like to say i'll give you a few moments to get your heads together
45:56
um i particularly like to know if if what you
45:59
think how ai has improved your clinic and
46:02
management and client relation management all that sort of stuff and
46:05
let us know before we wrap things up i would
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ask you what you're up to in the next month but we know that you're going to
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be off of climbing the yeah yeah i'm going to be up a mountain so yeah yeah
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not sure how much communication i'm going to have so any rehab my patient users
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please avoid sending us too many support questions during.
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Yeah I'm kidding I'm kidding we've got we've got someone that handles it but,
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Um, yeah, I, I, I, I wish I had communications. I've actually got a new toy.
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I've not opened it yet, but it has just arrived, which is my new Starlink.
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So I'll be taking this. Um, I'll be taking this with me to Everest to maintain
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communications so I can actually work up there as well. Oh, wow.
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Gosh. So it really is going to be live updates. How exciting. Yeah.
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Uh, that'll be up to base camp. I can't take that hard in base camp because it's too heavy.
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Yeah. Yeah. So it just weighs you down too much and you're just going to be exhausted.
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It's going to be great. You sound pumped. I've seen your face.
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You really are taking this for obviously taking it seriously, sleeping in 10 seconds.
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Very exciting. Right. If people do want to, obviously we've got the website
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where people can find out more about this.
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So that's rehabmypatient.com.
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If people are existing members, then find the link on your website and you can
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look into it there. It seems very simple to do, two pound extra a week or something.
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And then if they want to follow a month, sorry that's important
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difference and if yeah if they want to follow then you've got rehab my patient
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now on instagram i noticed which is great like you said um and also facebook
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and then you on linkedin as well you're an interesting account to follow always
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yeah that's awesome yeah so please add me on on linkedin yeah that'd be great
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okay we have my patient source on linkedin.
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Marvelous yeah right then so wonderful next
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week before we wrap up just as we've got your attention people if
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you'd like to join us next week this is march the 17th and
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live again on the sports therapy association youtube channel or facebook page
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whatever you fancy we're going to be actually the last time i talked to tim
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was getting ready for therapy expo 2023 so now we're getting ready for therapy
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expo or the therapy show as has been rebranded now uh 2026 and my guests i'm
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very pleased It's going to be content director, Liam Richardson,
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and also show manager, Charlotte Spear.
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And they're going to be in the studio to give us an insight into why the rebrand
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occurred and what's the store for the 4,000 plus visitors in November in Birmingham.
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The STA is always going to be there. We're part of the 2026 Education Committee.
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So we're having a lot of input into what goes on there.
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I'll be speaking in the Clinical Skills Theatre on day two, I believe.
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So it's all very exciting. And it's wonderful that we have got these people
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in the studio to answer questions.
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So if you're umming and ahhing about Therapy Expo, formerly known as The Therapy Show, then join us live.
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Fire some questions directly at Liam and Charlotte. They're lovely people.
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They've always got a massive ear open.
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We've been there since the beginning, since it started in 2013.
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So Liam hasn't been around that long, but he'll join later on.
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But yeah, they're always very, very open to feedback.
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So if you want to join us live, do that. and then the week after then
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we're excited to say that we'll be giving a reflection on
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what they had to say and myself and Gary Benson founder of
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the STA will be joined by other key stakeholders in the industry we'll have
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somebody from the SST and the STO and maybe a couple other people we'll all
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be getting together which is what 2026 is all about isn't it year of collaboration
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and all that to continue what happened at Therapy Expo last year when we all
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got together and discussed the future sports therapy.
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So yeah, we'll be talking about that on the 24th. So that's another one for
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your diary. If you'd like to join us, that'd be a really interesting discussion.
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And that's it. But for now, I'd just like to say thank you once again.
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And good luck to special guest, Tim Allardyce. Fantastic. I'm so pumped for
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you. It's going to be amazing. Thanks. It's going to be really cool.
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Yeah, thanks. I'll stay in touch. Oh, it's going to be great. Yeah.
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Yeah, wonderful. And we'll chat once we sign off now. But anyway,
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all the people who joined us live, then thank you very much.
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I just want to see Nikki Mansfield.
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I'd like to have the last word. Let's put that in here. Nikki says,
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I haven't started using any IMI practice yet,
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but I was a very late doctor with clinic management software and
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of course now could not live without it so it's only a matter of
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time that's great i'm glad you're on board nikki it's it's
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got the stage now where it's just a no brain it can save you
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so much time it's still good to listen to people like tim
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and listen to some of the watch out for's but definitely if you're not using
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it at all then yeah you're you're banging your head against the tree it's there's
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so much it can do for you now to take some of the stress away so thanks nikki
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for that i appreciate that we'll be back next week like i say eight o'clock If you do enjoy the show,
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Until then, take care of yourselves and more importantly, take care of each other.