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The Vampire With No Name Season 1 Q&A · Dubious Creatures Presents

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  Hello and welcome to the Devious Creatures round table.
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  Fuck you, we. Hear it?
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  Justin the way I was like bad pod voice, bad pod voice.
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  Let's go. Now we're leaving that end.
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  We're leaving that end. That's how we.
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  Start. That's that's how fuck you like
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  if. Nobody's jumping off this
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  grenade. Fuck.
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  I host the podcast for this reason.
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  I'm feeling it for your sacrifice.
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  We. We.
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  We really are just teamed, teamed up, breathing in real
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  life. Like holy shit we're.
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  Fucking unhinged y'all. Yeah, imagine how I feel.
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  You love it. Shut up.
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  Yes, I'm also a masochist. We all.
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  No, I'm not OK. I'm a little bit liar.
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  Misfit, I know enough about you to know that is a blatant lie.
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  I'm not really a masochist, I just.
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  Welcome to the Q&A, Kindred. As you can see, we're all very
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  timely and organized professionals about it.
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  It's one time to be unhinged. It's like our one time where
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  we're not in character and we get to talk about this.
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  Which is which? Is fascinating.
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  Is your one time you get to be in character?
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  I draw the line at you all not being unhinged.
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  Or something. So.
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  I mean, you've seen me close to peak unhinged, but you weren't
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  there for the alchemized recording.
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  Yes, might I say thank Kane anyway.
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  So this is as season one has visually drawn to a close.
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  We have taken the time to assemble some queries,
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  questions, and extremely viable concerns from our lovely
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  audience. So what we're going to do
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  essentially is we're going to go down the list and we are going
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  to. I can't promise we won't go off
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  on tangents. I can only promise that we will
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  try to keep it within the realms of World of Darkness and the
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  Vampire with No name. That is.
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  That's the most I can do for you.
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  I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna suggest because this is like the
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  first time we like this is a non episode recording.
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  Can we have everybody introduce themselves?
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  Yes, we should probably do that too.
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  Who are you people? How did you get in my house?
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  I broke in. I came in through the air ducts.
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  Sorry. That's impressive considering I
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  live on the 11th floor. I'm the possum that hides under
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  your porch. I don't have a porch, so that's
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  also very impressive that you constructed a porch to hide
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  under. I'm not telling you where I am.
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  I know where you are. You're in the bushes quietly
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  masturbating. Who's more on hedge to me or
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  velvet? I mean, I guess Sawyer, if we're
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  going through the 1st 150 seconds of this recording is 9.
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  AM in Hong Kong Standard Time. I do not want to be awake and
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  yet here I am. 911 and already thinking about me masturbating.
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  Shame on you. We should do some introductions.
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  We should. Probably do that.
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  Yeah, I'm. Going to say I'll jump on the
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  grenade. Why not?
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  I'm great at this. Hi, my name is Katie.
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  I'm completely new to the actual play space.
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  This is my first time so super excited and happy to be with all
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  these amazing people. I am from Socal and yeah I I
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  don't know, I'm fucking weird and bad at these things.
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  And you play crow. Oh yeah, I do play crow.
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  Yes. I guess I can.
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  I'll go next. I guess I was just jumping on
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  that grenade. Unless you want it.
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  My God, what is with everybody wanting to die at an action
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  movie today? Listen.
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  Not me. Fuck that, I did that last.
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  Week I want the satisfying my masculine urge to bleed out
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  while giving you guys a crucial piece of information.
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  Hi my name is Kevin. I play Jeremy Reid here on the
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  man fire with no name. I'm also new to the actual play
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  scene, but I also stream, I do Blarp, I do SEAI, currently sell
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  construction supplies. That's a weird one.
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  Yeah, and I'm in the top 20 Archers in my community for the
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  SCA, so I'm going to brag. Yay.
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  And I'm unhinged. So very unhinged.
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  Yeah, I'll go next. Hi, I'm Aubrey.
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  I play Raleigh and I also edit the show.
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  And yeah, I've been in the actual play scene for a while
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  and yeah, it's very interested to sit down and discuss this
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  show with everybody. Aubrey's also a St. and don't
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  let her convince you otherwise. She is the she is the least
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  resembling A sliding screen door in this little menagerie.
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  And that should tell you what you're in for.
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  I guess I'll go next. Hi Misfit.
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  Misfit play land literally everywhere on the Internet and I
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  play Astor. Everyone's favorite disaster.
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  And a weird fact about me is I don't.
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  I don't have one. I love Hexus from Fern Gully.
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  Shocking absolutely nobody I. Was going to say I just came up.
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  As. Tim Curry.
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  Man, yeah. That's weird fact.
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  That's expected. Yeah, that's I just anyway.
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  So, yeah, hi. So we're at the point in the
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  recording where people are making those noises, OK.
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  Just me. It's just.
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  Me. Hi I have anything to moan about
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  it. Hi I'm Justin, I use the heap
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  pronouns. I am a former published author.
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  I also Co host the Babylon project which is a science
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  fiction television series science fiction rewatch podcast.
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  I play Ash and I. I've done actual play stuff in
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  the past but this is my first long term project.
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  Hi, I'm Velvet. I'm also here.
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  I play Maria. I'm she heard it.
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  It's pronouns. I've been actual playing for
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  next year it'll be a decade. Go listen to athroplay.
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  God, I've been at this for a while.
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  Hi, I'm Sawyer AKA Tyrodes AKA the ringmaster of this open air
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  insane asylum. I am the I I write.
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  I do most of the actual storytelling slash just general
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  writing for doobies creatures. I also am Aristides on the last
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  of Eden's devices and Levi in the Windy Chronicle, as well as
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  a few other miscellaneous actual play bits here and there on the
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  far corners of the Internet. I'm tired, man.
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  It it's already too early for this and we've been doing this
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  for about 20. Minutes.
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  Oh, OK. Oh yes, I'm also Tobias in the
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  in Aubrey's Multiverse of Madness, because that fucker,
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  that fucker appears in everything you touch now.
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  Yeah, can't keep a good Delft down.
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  I need you to stop. Unseen these issues to unpack
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  here. You need to be stopped.
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  I'm I'm going to stop. No, I encourage this completely.
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  Full send. Keep going.
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  And yes, I'm also I'm also Tobias in in the road, the road
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  to Hell, as well as technically I'm not Tobias anywhere else but
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  God, the alternate timelines that this character has been
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  involved in anyway. Anyway, there's actually a
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  question there with no name. Yeah, we should probably talk
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  about that thing that I've all gathered you here for.
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  Exactly. So do we want to just go, do you
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  want to just go in order operations or?
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  Any of that works for me. Start at the top.
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  All right, cool. So.
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  But you know what's funny is that the question at the top of
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  the list is from Velvets, of all people.
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  Yeah? She asks.
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  Has any part of the podcast so far genuinely frightened you?
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  I can be trusted with this information?
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  No, You. Fucking can't first.
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  Off No I I. I mean, I'll, I'll say.
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  I'll. I'll say the laundromat was
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  genuinely terrifying. I think the one for me and it's
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  kind of fun to talk about because it was the solo episode
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  with the the solo episode for Crow that and pretty much that
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  entire like once the confrontation kind of kicked off
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  between everybody. It I definitely there was a
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  point where I had kind of started like processing in my
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  head of like the mechanicals of what if cast eyes, But then
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  there was also like that just emotional thing of like, fuck,
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  what if cast eyes. So that was genuinely terrifying
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  because it, it was literally a, a coin flip on a, on a die roll
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  as to whether or not cast was the one to be shot.
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  And that was genuinely terrifying for me as a player.
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  And it's it, it was so fun to just like get to sit back on
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  that for the longest time between actually playing the
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  session and then when it got released and everybody got to
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  hear it. What was cool for me about that
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  was when I was listening for it, listening through it for time
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  stamps is like when it really kicks off.
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  You can actually hear your voice go up an octave and you can
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  actually hear how like freaked out you are.
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  Just very much I was, I was, I was, yeah, very, very, very
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  feeling it. I was, I was very much so.
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  And that's, I think that's one of the reasons why when this
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  whole thing like even came up like the idea of like playing a
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  game as especially like I've I've been playing with with
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  Sawyer now for years. And that's just one of my things
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  as always, those moments of just like really getting into it and
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  feeling it. It's it's kind of one of those
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  times where you really get that good bleed, like where it's just
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  like, oh, that was, that was that was nice, that, that, that
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  was nice. That kind of blurred the lines
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  there for a second. That was that felt cathartic,
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  you know, and that's kind of how it that that really felt was was
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  really cathartic like by the end.
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  Of it, you were working through a surprising number of issues in
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  this chronicle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Oh no, the the personal the personal life between the start
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  of the chronicle to release is to now is kind of crazy, but.
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  Yeah, it look, some of the wackiest shit has happened to I
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  think almost every member of the cast since we originally started
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  recording for Season 1 all the way back in.
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  It was September of it was September of 2024, because I
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  don't. Want to think about that?
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  I constantly think about it, mostly because I'm I started
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  this podcast in one hemisphere and I am I ended the season in
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  another. She was wild.
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  My, my, my frightening thing was I, I realize I, I didn't listen
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  to the prologues until they were released just because it was
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  just I, I, I, they were sort of like the one thing that I wanted
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  to save for myself because it was like, I wasn't Privy to
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  those. And I, I kind of like like I
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  didn't know about the terrorism until listening to Ash prologue,
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  but I didn't realize that I had like a medical horror phobia
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  until listening to rallies. I really do get in that medical
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  horror and that prologue. Like I was like at one point
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  physically sick while listening to it.
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  Yeah, I, I just want to say I hate hospitals.
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  I say I respect, Let me, let me clear something.
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  I respect the hell of anybody who devotes so much of their
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  time and energy to, you know, actually saving lives, but
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  actually being in hospitals. Nothing pleasant has ever
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  happened to me in a hospital. So.
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  And then imagine you're being used as a juice box by a
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  vampire, and nobody's believing you, and you're slowly getting
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  worse and slowly dying and, you know, slowly being drained of
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  blood. And everybody is just being
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  like, well, we can't figure out what's happening to you.
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  Yeah, the POV of not just like the brief bit of amnesia that
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  the kiss induces, but also like somebody who's even mildly
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  competent would dominate I in Vampire, you know, at a certain
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  point you get a little, you get a little, you know, all the
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  horrifying alterations of other people's mental states become a
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  little bit of an offhand thing. And one of the things I want to
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  do in this chronicle especially is be like, no, this is fucked.
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  Yes, I honestly thought Raleigh was going to die in the hospital
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  and that was going to be the end of my parole.
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  Look. Yeah, this is this is bad like.
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  Fairy. Like the actual mental after
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  effects are just like prolonged use of dominate alone.
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  Well, we've seen actually what that looks like in real time in
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  this chronicle. And I'm not even talking about
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  like any of the really scary shit.
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  I just mean like removing bits of somebody's memory, even with
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  just a few seconds repeatedly, that has a that it that piles up
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  in the psyche. The human brain is quite
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  fragile. Yes, it is.
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  Yeah. I was going to say, one of mine
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  was actually in Jeremy's prologue, and it hit me in a
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  special way because I used to be an alcoholic and like, so that
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  touched on like my absolute worst nightmare.
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  Putting down a drink and always finding its way back in your
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  hand and when you keep saying no.
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  Yeah, like that. That shit fucked me up.
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  That was truly terrifying for me.
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  Yeah, Jeremy's prologue hit a lot of buttons for me.
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  So it's like, weirdly enough, so like, I can't talk about like
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  how I felt about Jeremy's solo scene in solo thing in Season 2.
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  But spoilers, I'm I'm not going to yeah, I'm not going to do it.
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  I I can't talk about that because that was one of the ones
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  that really had some moments for me.
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  But the prologue for Jeremy was probably one of the worst ones.
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  And it was just the what triggered.
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  Well, like, I'm not going to sure if frightened is the right
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  word, but it really hit me hard emotionally.
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  Was the part in Jeremy's prologue where he's basically
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  dying and everyone's just laughing at him that that one
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  hit me really hard. I've, I've so I've been the
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  person at a party who's been sick and no one has helped.
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  And like that's, that's a real fear.
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  That's a real thing that happens all the time.
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  Abandoned thing that that was one of like, I'm not like I
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  watch a lot of horror and suspense recreationally.
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  The some of the other stuff didn't hit me as much as that
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  that scene did. And yeah.
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  It is a game of personal horror. And again, it was just sort of
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  like, OK, if we're doing, if we're doing character prologues,
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  I what is personally horrifying based on what I know about these
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  players and these characters that they're playing, was a big
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  like, I need to hit something during the course of that.
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  That I remember, I think it was when we finished Raleigh's
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  prologue, we we both like looked back at it and realized like how
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  much the the attack from by Henry, like mirrored like an
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  assault. Yeah.
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  And that was because, OK, look, there's an argument we've made
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  that vampires like as as a concept are kind of walking
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  sexual assault metaphors, which I don't agree with necessarily,
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  but I do understand why. And with Henry, especially given
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  that, and I want to make it clear, there was a lot of talk
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  about lines and veils going into all this.
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  Like we were, I mean, you know, obviously it's a game.
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  It's a game set in the World of Darkness.
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  There was just for safety reasons going to be a lot of
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  like safety tools before anything got started.
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  But there were a couple of moments throughout the
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  prologues. And also I think like in the
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  latter part of the season where I was like, Hey, so we good
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  because like I want to make, I want to, we are putting on this
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  is a bit different than the usual chronicle.
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  You know, we are putting on a performance in a lot of aspects,
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  but there's also just like, hey, you're still having fun, right?
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  Because I I've always maintained that Vampire is still a game.
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  At the end of the day, games are designed to be fun and not
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  necessarily re traumatizing. Or they're re traumatizing, at
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  least re traumatizing in a way that's cathartic.
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  Yeah, I remember everyone's reactions to as like the final
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  epilogue was ending with all of like Raleigh stuff and then just
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  everyone's fucking reactions in chats as essentially you watch
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  Raleigh walk to her death. Basically what I'm trying to say
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  is that it's actually it's not the hardest thing in the world
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  to have emotionally hard hitting scenes in VTM.
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  The key has always is communication.
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  Exactly. Oh yeah, there's definitely some
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  scenes throughout the season, like both one and two, where
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  like, I don't think I can do them if I didn't trust everyone
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  at this table. Yeah, it's it's it's literally
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  all about just knowing where everybody's comfortable.
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  And once you get a gauge of that, you see threats Season 1,
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  you'd be surprised what you can do.
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  Exactly all. Right.
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  Anybody else have any favorite genuinely frightening bits they
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  want to share? Am I allowed to answer my own
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  question? I I don't know, Velvet, are you?
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  I'd say so. I mean it's not so much a a
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  scene specifically, but Crow's whole blood bond deal with
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  Sebastian is genuinely horrifying to me.
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  Oh my God, yes. In general.
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  The blood bond is just scary like that, but also the
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  particular dynamic and like, denial of, you know, sexuality
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  is like, it tapped into some actual trauma for me.
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  So that was really terrifying. Yeah, and.
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  Like. So here's The funny thing,
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  right, is when I went into this to specifically take the blood
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  leach predator type, it wasn't because like it was like, oh,
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  like I definitely want to do a character and have a blood bond.
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  And I was really what it was was that I wanted a dot of protein
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  and the only two there, there's three predator types that you
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  get protein from. And that's I think it's
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  trapdoor, which I just felt was not crow like at all.
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  Like personality wise, I was just like, that just doesn't
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  feel right. And her being a farmer would, in
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  my opinion, go against her convictions.
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  So it was kind of like, well shit, the only option I have is
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  blood leach. Well, I guess we can see if we
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  can make this work. And then it really played out in
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  a way that was like way more like in depth and way more
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  involved emotionally than I expected from just something
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  that was basically just like, I want to dotted protein.
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  Yeah, you wanted a dot of protein and I made you pay for
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  it. Yeah, absolutely have.
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  But it's been, it's been great. Yes, God, Sebastian is.
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  I don't like Sebastian. I like him as a character but
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  like as. I hate, fucking hate him.
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  But everything about him is bad. Y'all like yeah I cannot stress
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  this enough. I as it forever GM especially
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  for World of Darkness games. I find myself playing a bunch of
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  very problematic characters just as a matter of course.
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  I mean, on the other hand, you finally wind up Camden Lange.
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  Honestly, we do not need to talk about Camden Lange here.
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  We will be. We we have so many more
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  questions to get to. Yeah.
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  There's no time. There's no time.
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  I do agree with. The descriptor of Sebastian in a
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  like an essay, like terminology, like he reads as a serial abuser
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  of people No, he's. He's a genuinely awful person.
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  And honestly the yeah, because like we were going into Crow's
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  back story and obviously the blood leach thing came up and
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  there's basically part was like, OK, there's a world where you
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  end up blood bound to your sire from the get go.
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  Are you sure you want to do with that?
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  But we talked about it and, well, it it made for a pretty
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  compelling story, especially when the subject of a
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  particularly toxic relationships sort of echoed throughout the
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  whole season. I've met Sebastian's in my life.
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  Dated Sebastian's in my life. Dated.
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  Sebastian. Yeah, I think everybody's either
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  met or dated a Sebastian at least once in the life, like,
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  and yeah, I think the whole thing with Sebastian was just
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  like, he's really a character you can only really do again if
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  you know where everybody's hard lines are.
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  Yeah. I would agree.
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  Welcome. But shall but shall we move on
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  to the next question? Yeah, Next question.
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  Next question, OK, this one is from Bats.
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  OK, well Bats has a few questions, so in order they are,
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  what's a scene featuring one of the other PCs that you really
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  love? I mean, I'm just going to
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  immediately go to Astor's crash out in the epilogues.
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  That's. Amazing.
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  Amazing, one of my favorite things just to have been a
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  family on the wall for. Oh yeah, I joke.
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  Fantastic. I joke a lot about Bizfit acting
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  circles around me in that scene. But legitimately, it was like,
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  we got to a certain point. I'm like, you know, I'm just,
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  I'm just going to let her take it from here.
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  Yeah, there was a point where the rage cropped up and I was
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  like, you know what, I'm going to run with this.
• 26:47
  Yeah, it was a good scene. It was really good that.
• 26:50
  Was that was a really good scene.
• 26:54
  I I mean, not a scene in general, but the the entire
• 26:57
  through line of season 1 with with Raleigh's personal life is
• 27:04
  just it it it's just as a thread for the season.
• 27:07
  It was just Aubrey. You're so fucking good at this
• 27:11
  shit. Thank.
• 27:13
  You. She's the closest thing to a
• 27:16
  professional have in this cast so.
• 27:21
  The 15 years of theatre. Yeah, poor Taylor.
• 27:31
  I just that poor boy. That poor boy.
• 27:36
  Like, the thing about Taylor is that there's nothing wrong with
• 27:39
  Taylor. He is exactly what he appears to
• 27:43
  be, which is a loving, supportive partner to Raleigh in
• 27:47
  all things. Which means we can't.
• 27:50
  Have any bad? Yeah, but this is vampire so.
• 27:54
  So we got to give him trauma. He's got to watch his girlfriend
• 27:57
  die in his arms. Yeah, no, because no, no
• 28:05
  relationship survives contact with vampirism.
• 28:09
  Which you did to that poor boy, his anxiety.
• 28:16
  I mean, yeah, in it got. I remember when we were doing
• 28:23
  the epilogues we were talking about.
• 28:29
  Let me confirm it here. I did not tell Aubrey this was
• 28:35
  going to happen. Aubrey knew that something was
• 28:38
  going to happen, she just didn't know what.
• 28:41
  I, I knew there was a, an event that was going to happen that I,
• 28:47
  I think you mentioned it would, you know, it would involve like,
• 28:50
  it means Raleigh is stuck in San Arroyo and I think mentioned
• 28:54
  something about her death being faked.
• 28:56
  I don't remember. I'd have to scroll through our
• 28:58
  DMS, but I knew something was going to happen.
• 29:01
  Specifically, I was specifically like, OK, as we stand right now,
• 29:06
  at the end of Season 1, Raleigh has no reason to stick around in
• 29:10
  San Arroyo. But obviously we want Raleigh to
• 29:13
  be there for Season 2. So we had to figure out a way to
• 29:18
  do that. And it's just like, OK, I've got
• 29:20
  an idea. How much detail do you want?
• 29:24
  And you were like, you know what just hit me?
• 29:29
  Pretty much I knew it was going to involve Olivia and I knew it
• 29:32
  was it was going to be, it was going to be a lot.
• 29:34
  I didn't know. Like other than that, I really
• 29:36
  didn't know. I, I throw it like I was just
• 29:39
  like, are you going to hit me with this at the beginning of
• 29:41
  the epilogues or the end of the epilogues?
• 29:43
  It could have been either either.
• 29:46
  That's the fun part of the app. Epilogues.
• 29:48
  I had to operate specifically on like Tenderhooks the entire
• 29:50
  time. Thinking is, is this where it
• 29:52
  happens? Is this where it happens?
• 29:54
  Pretty much it was like it was, it was either beginning or end,
• 29:57
  like in the middle, but like beginning or end would have been
• 30:01
  like a great either opening to the epilogues or ending the
• 30:03
  epilogues. All right, any other scenes?
• 30:10
  I really liked Ash's scenes with Emily getting to see like Ash
• 30:17
  like outside the coterie, being honest with someone and like
• 30:21
  being very personal was was really cool and I really liked
• 30:24
  the through line of Ash supporting his family or their
• 30:27
  family. Sorry I'm.
• 30:31
  It. My favorite moments in the
• 30:36
  coterie are always, I was just going to say my favorite moments
• 30:39
  are always when we get to see those moments of vulnerability
• 30:41
  in the characters. So it's like everybody in their
• 30:43
  touchstones. Like those tend to be my
• 30:44
  favorite scenes. I.
• 30:46
  Will say I will say just a quick note on Ash's pronouns.
• 30:51
  Me and Justin have talked a lot about this of it.
• 30:54
  I believe Ash identifies as they any.
• 30:57
  Well, OK, so to clarify this, because I because I'm the final
• 31:01
  arbiter of this. Yeah, if you if if there's a
• 31:06
  screw, if if there is a screw up in the production of it Ash in
• 31:10
  character uses they any you if you are if you're talking about
• 31:14
  it out of character, it's they though, So that's just to be
• 31:16
  clear. Yeah, just.
• 31:18
  To be clear about that. Because because they're, because
• 31:21
  I'm not going to sweat it in the middle of a recording.
• 31:24
  But that's any who back to the original thing, usually.
• 31:29
  Pretty good about like cutting out like when we I will.
• 31:35
  Say this is partially my fault. When we first when we first did
• 31:39
  the prologue for Ash, I fucked up more than a few times.
• 31:45
  And. We ended up making Ash a lot
• 31:47
  more, well, gender that I think either of us initially intended.
• 31:53
  I mean, I had a like, I had a very specific idea of it and I,
• 31:57
  I think the sort of the slip UPS there, I had to put it into a
• 32:02
  thing. Ash's entire thing is about
• 32:04
  returning home to a place you love that hates you, or at least
• 32:11
  that in some part hates you, but you still love it.
• 32:14
  But to to bring it back to a place of Emily.
• 32:17
  I have three siblings. I like them all and so like
• 32:24
  being very close to my siblings is a huge thing.
• 32:26
  Like legitimately it's one of it's one of the things I
• 32:32
  treasure the most. And so I always like having
• 32:36
  strong sibling relationships that aren't traditional because
• 32:43
  I think if you have a relationship with your siblings,
• 32:47
  it's never traditional because there there are averages, but
• 32:53
  each one is particularly unique. And so getting to do, especially
• 32:57
  with like huge age gap between siblings, there's interesting
• 33:02
  dynamics and nobody asks about the fucking timeline.
• 33:07
  Nobody asks about the timeline because you'll just make the way
• 33:09
  you're more confused and will add more ages will get added on
• 33:12
  somewhere. Just just roll with that.
• 33:14
  Look, I know what the timeline is.
• 33:17
  I don't. See the important part.
• 33:19
  I know what the timeline is and I could it.
• 33:22
  It's fucked y'all. The history the the Crawford
• 33:26
  family tree has been attacked by temporal weed whackers on more
• 33:30
  than one occasion, but we got there eventually.
• 33:34
  Yeah, answer is always is don't think about it.
• 33:37
  It's mostly vibes related, yeah. There is, believe it or not, I
• 33:43
  there is a cogent. I've talked to Justin about
• 33:45
  this. There is a cogent family
• 33:48
  structure in this mess, but the more you learn about it, the
• 33:51
  more you realize the House of Crawford is.
• 33:59
  It's not good y'all. Yeah, I, I, I've jokingly, I've
• 34:06
  jokingly said that my basis for the Crawfords is the Kennedys,
• 34:13
  which in some ways was done, but that's, yeah, that the, the
• 34:20
  Crawfords are more cursed than the Kennedys, y'all?
• 34:22
  I believe you. I believe the exact words you
• 34:24
  used were the Kennedys if they were used car salesman.
• 34:28
  Yeah. See, see, here's the thing.
• 34:31
  And I know that there will be a very small, small batch of
• 34:35
  listeners that are going to understand, like understand what
• 34:38
  I say when I say this. They're Langdales.
• 34:40
  This is the family that I grew up with back home.
• 34:43
  They're they're they're, they're the family that owns the fucking
• 34:46
  city. And yeah, they're the Kennedys,
• 34:47
  but they're used car salesman. I find that in especially a
• 34:51
  smaller community, and granted San Arroyo, San Arroyo is like,
• 34:57
  I think on a population basis and a size basis, I think the
• 35:01
  closest real world comparison would be something like Portland
• 35:06
  and that it feels trigger than it actually is.
• 35:10
  But yeah, in a small community especially, there's always that
• 35:12
  one group of like that counts as old money and they're making it
• 35:17
  everybody else's problem. And granted, San Arroyo, we
• 35:20
  don't just have one of those families.
• 35:21
  We technically have 3, but we'll that's not really relevant to
• 35:28
  the question and. If you want if you want a
• 35:31
  tangent, I could ask the the obvious question, which is which
• 35:35
  member of the coterie has the worst family.
• 35:40
  That's like, I think it's dealer's choice and it's so.
• 35:47
  It's such a. That's so.
• 35:49
  That's so I think. It's really.
• 35:51
  In the high of the beholder. Yeah.
• 35:54
  Here's the thing, Raleigh and. Crow are seeing from this
• 35:56
  question yeah and it's also like might get a spoiler territory
• 36:00
  yeah this. Might be spoilers.
• 36:02
  We're going to move on. We're going to move on.
• 36:04
  So again, any other scenes or can we move on to the next
• 36:07
  question? I, I really enjoyed Crow's
• 36:11
  scenes with Cass because I've had, I've had like friendships
• 36:17
  like that before and you know, it's always very nice to see and
• 36:23
  it's. My, my best friend, I, I have a
• 36:27
  relationship like that with my best friend where back when we
• 36:32
  were in high school, we tried dating and it lasted like all of
• 36:36
  a weekend. And we were like, this is weird,
• 36:38
  right? Yeah, this is weird.
• 36:40
  And and then we just, there was always that like vibe in between
• 36:44
  us of just like, she's my best friend, but also like, you know,
• 36:49
  it's just like, why did you guys say we're date?
• 36:51
  Well, it's just we're better friends.
• 36:53
  And I think that's a lot of what it is with Casas.
• 36:55
  It's just we're just better friends.
• 36:58
  Exactly. Yeah, I still talk to a lot of
• 37:01
  my exes, funnily enough, like every time in California,
• 37:05
  there's this one person. I'm not going to out them on the
• 37:08
  Internet, obviously, but there's one person that like I make sure
• 37:11
  to visit whenever I'm there. And like, I get that in a weird
• 37:15
  way. I get that dynamic of like,
• 37:16
  we're just better friends than we are partners.
• 37:20
  Yeah. So that wasn't Cass's fun,
• 37:26
  honestly, because Cass just, he's just here for the ride,
• 37:29
  y'all? That's just a guy, Cass, Just
• 37:32
  here. Cass just literally the best
• 37:35
  definition of just a little guy like.
• 37:37
  He's. He's.
• 37:38
  Just. Here for the fucking ride.
• 37:40
  And holy shit, the ride that that the ride that Crow has
• 37:45
  taken him on. Yeah, he's.
• 37:48
  Going to get off the ride. You probably should get off the
• 37:52
  roller coaster at some point, but you know.
• 37:55
  Might be difficult season 2. We'll see.
• 38:02
  Yeah, Next question. All right, next question.
• 38:05
  What motivated you to make the show?
• 38:09
  I'll. Come back in 20 minutes when the
• 38:11
  story is still talking. How many of us, how many of us
• 38:15
  from different angles, were were harassing Sawyer about his St.
• 38:20
  abilities and saying that it needed to be brought to an
• 38:22
  actual play? How many of us were doing that
• 38:25
  'cause I feel like it was all of us, All of us.
• 38:28
  I. Didn't know I got I got brought
• 38:30
  it later. I I.
• 38:30
  Know not. That's.
• 38:32
  Fair the deep floor. The Deep.
• 38:34
  Floor I'm gonna jump on Kenny's bandwagon here and say the
• 38:38
  reason I and I'm made the show, the reason I'm part of this
• 38:41
  project is because I wanted to support Sawyer and I always
• 38:45
  thought he'd do great at this and there was probably never a
• 38:51
  world where anybody else would have gotten me to do something
• 38:53
  like this. So to that, you know, I'm going
• 38:55
  to say thank you. But also, it's like at the end
• 38:58
  of the day, like I think I speak for most of us and I say like,
• 39:00
  we're all here for you. I can't go saying shit like that
• 39:05
  man. People are going to start
• 39:06
  thinking I have feelings. As the person with a different
• 39:10
  perspective, I originally came because Aubrey slipped up into
• 39:14
  my DMS one night and was like, hey, do you want to play some
• 39:16
  vampire? And I was like, fuck yeah, I do.
• 39:20
  I guess if we're in a game with you, done.
• 39:22
  It was that easy. And now I'm here for everybody,
• 39:26
  but I recently came for Aubrey. Yeah, we were.
• 39:29
  We were in a horrible show like. A.
• 39:32
  Year ago and and then it was just like we got to play a like
• 39:36
  an actual good game together. It was a really good thing for
• 39:45
  me because it came out of like a kind of like a really heavy dark
• 39:47
  time in my life. So like, this gave me something
• 39:51
  to you folks. It gave me something to focus on
• 39:54
  actually, and that was really positive.
• 39:56
  It was actually a really, really good thing.
• 40:03
  Why did I make the show? Because bullying works.
• 40:07
  It does, yes. Daddy.
• 40:12
  I invited you on to to guest on an AP once and then I gave him
• 40:16
  the bug. Always takes once.
• 40:20
  So I I got to, I got to dress up and you know, that was fun.
• 40:29
  OK, Why did I make the show? There are three answers.
• 40:33
  The 1st is obviously because peer pressure is 1 hell of a
• 40:37
  drug. The second is honestly just
• 40:41
  because I just wanted to do it honestly that there's a sort of,
• 40:48
  you know, like I'm this D at a certain point I was like, OK,
• 40:52
  I've been on start playing, which is why I met pretty much
• 40:55
  everyone here. By the way, I was a professional
• 40:57
  GM on start playing for about 2 1/2 three years.
• 41:07
  And you know, I met, obviously you meet a lot of people, a lot
• 41:11
  of very talented people in just the actual play space through
• 41:15
  that. And I, you know, I'm, I, I'm not
• 41:23
  the youngest fucker here, but I am one of the youngest fuckers
• 41:26
  here. So, you know, I, I grew up
• 41:29
  watching like critical role in LA by night and like all the
• 41:33
  classics and I, I'd always wanted to do something like
• 41:38
  that. And at a certain point, it was
• 41:43
  just like, you know, why not like just check that off the
• 41:46
  bucket list? Watching Critical Role.
• 41:53
  Yes, I turn 27 in a couple of months, OK.
• 42:00
  And. That's not even that much
• 42:02
  younger than me. Look, look, there are only two
• 42:07
  people. It's a Tiger server who are
• 42:09
  younger than me. Meanwhile, I'm counting my graze
• 42:14
  in this luscious mane. Now I feel you.
• 42:17
  Can pull on the existential dread real quick.
• 42:20
  We could. Just yeah look look, I'm baby OK
• 42:29
  part do not fucking understand. You're baby.
• 42:33
  Listen, I might be older than you, but I am actually baby.
• 42:38
  Not everyone let me. Clear.
• 42:40
  Look, there's a. Difference between that they
• 42:41
  find personally appealing. I there is a difference between
• 42:45
  being baby and being baby girl OK and I'm definitely not being.
• 42:49
  I will argue. I will argue that I am the most
• 42:53
  baby out of everyone here. So.
• 42:59
  You can have. Baby as a baby as a state of
• 43:02
  mind. It is, it is.
• 43:04
  It is absolutely a state of mind.
• 43:06
  And look, the 3rd and the 3rd and I guess most poignant answer
• 43:14
  to that question is I had listened to a lot of just not
• 43:22
  just Vampire, but like a lot of actual play stuff.
• 43:25
  You know, I'd listened and watched and just been a part of
• 43:28
  that community for a hot minute. And one of the things I noticed,
• 43:32
  especially with especially with vampires, with World Darkness,
• 43:37
  it can be a lot to get into. The lore is dense, to put it
• 43:43
  mildly. And I wanted to do something
• 43:47
  where I basically created, maybe not babies first Vampire, but I
• 43:55
  wanted to create something where you could watch it if you're a
• 43:58
  long time fan of, you know, White Wolf and World Darkness
• 44:03
  and all that good stuff. Or you could just come into it
• 44:08
  with virtually no knowledge other than, you know, an
• 44:12
  appreciation for urban fantasy and also enjoy it.
• 44:18
  I wanted it to essentially be the gateway drug of actual
• 44:22
  place. You know, because if I you know,
• 44:24
  because if various podcasts and actual plays seduced me to the
• 44:30
  dark side, then clearly I must continue the cycle of abuse.
• 44:33
  Exactly. I, I, I definitely started doing
• 44:37
  this because it was like, Oh yes, I get to be a player as
• 44:41
  usual, someone who's quite often forever GM.
• 44:44
  Yeah. And then also I wanted to like
• 44:46
  actually like push myself in my editing skills and create
• 44:49
  something that's more it's somewhere between audio drama
• 44:55
  and actual play because it's, it's fun and I, I feel like it,
• 45:00
  it works really well, especially with vampire and World of
• 45:03
  Darkness for the way it tells its story to like cut out the
• 45:07
  chaff, cut out the the rules talk, cut out the the above
• 45:12
  table talk and just focus on the story.
• 45:14
  I'm. Going to go off on your editing
• 45:17
  for five seconds. Every year when I sit down to
• 45:23
  work for the award show that I do, I sit and inevitably listen
• 45:29
  to Aubrey edits. And every year I will go up in
• 45:33
  your DMS and be like God damn it, your editing is so fucking
• 45:36
  good. No, this this would not be
• 45:40
  nearly. I suspect this would not be
• 45:41
  nearly as popular if not for Aubrey toiling away in the
• 45:45
  editing minds day after day. Every every person I introduced
• 45:49
  the podcast to loves the. Editing.
• 45:52
  First thing they say is the editing is amazing.
• 45:54
  You make me sound like fluent like not a jumble of not a
• 45:59
  jumble of human garbling, so you know.
• 46:05
  One one hour episode is usually like 9-10 hours worth of work.
• 46:12
  Oh. All this to say, pay your
• 46:15
  fucking additors, yo. Yeah, I mean, I don't pay
• 46:21
  anybody, but that's also because I'm broke.
• 46:23
  So. It's worth it because I, I enjoy
• 46:26
  the show and I've, I've had a lot.
• 46:27
  I've It's been a really good learning experience for me as an
• 46:30
  actor. Joke.
• 46:32
  People like to joke. Like, yeah, you know, I have a
• 46:34
  liberal arts degree, so I got a degree in working at Starbucks.
• 46:38
  I don't even have that. I'm very appreciative of
• 46:43
  everybody here sacrificing their time and energy for my
• 46:48
  collective delusion. I just want to say.
• 46:52
  I think we all signed up for the collective delusion though.
• 46:55
  Yeah, I'm, I look this, it takes a village.
• 47:00
  I just happened to look out and get a very talented village.
• 47:08
  All right. And the final question in this
• 47:12
  series of questions, what are some strengths your fellow
• 47:18
  players bring to the table? They just talked about that for
• 47:22
  a while. Just.
• 47:25
  Really good at crying, yes? So here's ability to push
• 47:29
  people's buttons. So is I think one of the things
• 47:33
  that makes the like the overall story work really well is every
• 47:37
  character in the coterie. And so a lot of the MPCS as well
• 47:42
  have buttons that are really that you get really interest,
• 47:45
  interesting interactions out of getting pressed.
• 47:49
  And I think my one of my favorite things about Sawyer as
• 47:52
  a as an St. is repeatedly pushing people's buttons and
• 47:56
  then like grinding the like his thumb into him, like it's a
• 47:59
  pressure point going ha, ha, I can make you sperm.
• 48:01
  I think that's what gives us so much really fun like scenes.
• 48:07
  And thank you. You like to torture us, It's OK.
• 48:12
  So for me, mostly everybody with the exclusion of Kevin and
• 48:20
  Sawyer were completely new to me going into this project.
• 48:23
  And for one, I want to like, I want to go and just be like
• 48:28
  right off the bat. The strength that Kevin brings
• 48:30
  to the table is fat fucking dice pools.
• 48:37
  It's true. You fat dice.
• 48:39
  Let me let me rephrase. A fat dice pool, a singular pool
• 48:43
  that that you are, you are built for.
• 48:45
  And when the time comes and that pool gets hit, you know that's
• 48:48
  just going to be crazy. I don't, I don't think we ever
• 48:51
  rolled that the dice pool you're talking about at all in Season 1
• 48:54
  other than I think. No, I'm pretty sure you did.
• 49:00
  Oh shoot, was that that was The Lion King episode.
• 49:03
  Yeah, that was the yes, that was The Lion King.
• 49:10
  What a way to refer to that, Oh my.
• 49:13
  From this, I'm making a storyteller's mandate.
• 49:16
  From this day forward, we will only we will only refer to that
• 49:20
  particular instance as The Lion King episode.
• 49:22
  OK this. Is.
• 49:24
  This is how. Can you feel the love tonight?
• 49:29
  Hakuna matata. It's like on top of that, like.
• 49:32
  From Troy. One of my favorite things is
• 49:35
  like with Justin, they I've felt like being able to like roll
• 49:45
  into a scene. Like with Justin was like very
• 49:48
  easy, like being able to kind of adapt and like work on the fly
• 49:54
  because there weren't many moments.
• 49:56
  I don't know if there were any moments to be 100% honest in
• 49:59
  season 1 of just Ash and Crow in the room together.
• 50:03
  Because Ash and and trust Crow for season 1 of like, yeah, I
• 50:09
  don't think I don't. I don't think, I don't think
• 50:13
  Crow trusted Crow, but I even and so like once they get like
• 50:18
  not getting into spoilers or anything like that, just the
• 50:20
  ability to kind of improv and sort of like bounce off of each
• 50:25
  other on a scene is really nice. I one of my biggest strength
• 50:32
  favorites from from Misfit is it's hard to say that it's a
• 50:37
  it's a strength that that that she brings to the table more the
• 50:40
  strength that she brings outside the table.
• 50:44
  I think the the genuine feeling of like friendship and like the
• 50:49
  check insurance and things like that, like just being a like, I
• 50:54
  don't know, kind of an amazing person overall, I think is an
• 50:58
  amazing strength that this it brings to the table and probably
• 51:03
  no offense to anybody else here, probably one of my favorite
• 51:05
  people at the table. Shut up, I'm going to cry.
• 51:08
  OK, we can cry together. We can cry together and how dare
• 51:16
  you Aubrey's ability to to just Van just really make you feel
• 51:22
  shit in a scene. It just it hits different, but
• 51:26
  it's that it's that theater kid thing.
• 51:27
  Like I totally understand. I I was I was abducted into the
• 51:31
  lesbians in high school as well. So I I I totally understand that
• 51:35
  like you just. Fucking Chronicle I was.
• 51:42
  Or how I learned to stop worrying and love being abducted
• 51:45
  by lesbians. Yeah, pretty much.
• 51:48
  But it's just the ability to just kind of just like dive head
• 51:50
  first into things. And because like realistically,
• 51:55
  no clue going into the the epilogue of like what happened
• 52:02
  with Raleigh. But the way that you sort of
• 52:05
  dove into that scene, I would have believed that you had been
• 52:08
  prepped for that beforehand to know exactly what was happening.
• 52:12
  And I just appreciate the shit out of that.
• 52:15
  For you to be able to take improv and make it feel
• 52:17
  rehearsed in a good way. Love it.
• 52:22
  And now I'll shut up and let other people talk.
• 52:25
  One of my I'm going to jump right on in here.
• 52:28
  So I've I've actually messaged Aubrey and Katie very recently
• 52:36
  about these things. One of my favorite things that
• 52:39
  Aubrey is able to do is when she is GM ING the way she like
• 52:47
  approaches an accent action sequence is masterful and you
• 52:55
  feel like you were listening to a novel or something like that.
• 52:59
  And when she's doing an action scene as Raleigh, it feels like
• 53:05
  a Marvel moment. Every, every action sequence
• 53:09
  that she does feel like a fucking Marvel moment.
• 53:11
  Like she feels like a badass. She feels so practiced.
• 53:15
  And that is really hard to do because sometimes action
• 53:20
  sequences tend to get like bogged down.
• 53:23
  So you bring like this lovely fluidness to it that makes you
• 53:27
  want to like get up and throw shit.
• 53:33
  If only the dye pools would cooperate.
• 53:39
  And I really like, I adore Katie's ability to long form
• 53:48
  pull character threads. So like, it's easy to get
• 53:53
  wrapped up in like one season of your character and then but like
• 53:59
  Katie has been able to do it and stretch out those moments over
• 54:03
  two seasons and she has had such a cool story growth because of
• 54:08
  it. It is honestly inspiring to
• 54:12
  watch. Thank you.
• 54:15
  Now I'm going to cry. We can cry together.
• 54:19
  Yeah, OK, Everybody's getting emotional.
• 54:21
  That's great. Hey, we're giving love to each
• 54:25
  other. I know, but my poor my my poor
• 54:29
  carbon rich heart can't take any more of this.
• 54:33
  I know you can only make me cry in sad, awful, tragic ways.
• 54:37
  Joking I'm. Joking.
• 54:38
  I I, I mean, I mean. Well, I.
• 54:43
  Mean well to borrow to borrow stem from faster.
• 54:55
  Something I will say for the the entire group here is something
• 55:00
  that I really love about the TNB is every constellation.
• 55:08
  I I I think one of my favorite things honestly was how much the
• 55:12
  everybody split up and look for clues thinking season 1 went
• 55:15
  because it created so many like little interesting
• 55:18
  constellations of interactions that are all like very unique.
• 55:27
  I I really like it's fun because it's like whenever you have two
• 55:33
  or three of us in the same room, it's completely different We.
• 55:38
  Share a brain cell when more than like two of us are
• 55:41
  together. As your storyteller, I'm just
• 55:44
  going to say it. Y'all need to stop splitting the
• 55:46
  party. It has never once worked out for
• 55:49
  you. Mechanically no, but but story
• 55:54
  wise it is fun because I I think that's something that I like.
• 55:58
  It's one of my favorite parts of the show is seeing these
• 56:00
  interactions between everyone every.
• 56:04
  Time you put one of us Like to piggyback off of what Justin's
• 56:09
  saying here, anytime you put two members of Teen Knob Breathing
• 56:12
  in a room and the entire coterie isn't there, you're going to get
• 56:15
  some really interesting. Interactions about it and it's
• 56:17
  always my favorite party. I've played and run so many
• 56:20
  games where people refuse to split up and refuse to like
• 56:25
  they're always just like, no, we always go everywhere together
• 56:28
  all the time. And it's just like, that's not
• 56:30
  realistic. That's not really especially
• 56:32
  what we like our characters dealt with in Season 1 where we
• 56:35
  had so much shit to do. It's just like, no, we have to
• 56:38
  split up. We have to split up because we
• 56:40
  have all of these things that we have to get done, of course.
• 56:43
  I will look. I love it.
• 56:46
  I love. Honestly, if I had my way, this
• 56:50
  chronicle would be like 90% just interesting pairings just
• 56:54
  talking to each other. But the plot still needs to
• 56:57
  happen, so. Balls deep in that plot.
• 57:01
  What do you want from me? No you have again not going to
• 57:05
  spoil anything but Misfit has out of character put together a
• 57:11
  few things that now Aster in character has put together and
• 57:14
  the end result has been. Catastrophic.
• 57:18
  It's vampire. What did you a?
• 57:22
  Daisies, sunshine, rainbows, sprinkles.
• 57:25
  On my blood. I got to.
• 57:26
  I got to and to make sure plotting vampire throw some love
• 57:31
  as well to to velvet for betrayal of Maria is fabulous.
• 57:36
  And yeah, the kind of slow, deliberate way that Maria talks
• 57:42
  is always been interesting. And I am so impressed that Maria
• 57:46
  didn't murder Jeremy on the first time named.
• 57:50
  That took much, just taken so much restraint.
• 57:52
  I'm part. Of it was close.
• 57:55
  Yeah, but thank you. And folks are going to see a lot
• 57:59
  more of Maria Winters in Final Girl, our Hunter the Reckoning
• 58:04
  Side Story for the vampire No name.
• 58:07
  I'm excited because. TuneIn next one you'll see.
• 58:14
  Yeah, we're again, not going to say anything more, but I will
• 58:17
  say you want to talk about can't fucking character work?
• 58:20
  Holy shit. Can can I?
• 58:25
  Can I throw some praise out at the cast?
• 58:28
  Yeah, sure. Absolutely.
• 58:29
  Yeah, Jeremy, I read Kevin. Your name is Jeremy, so it's in
• 58:36
  my mind. I Kevin, I really appreciate
• 58:40
  your ability to think outside the box.
• 58:45
  Usually when you do something, the podcast is going to go in an
• 58:48
  interesting direction and that's kind of the magic of
• 58:51
  role-playing right there. Esther and Misfit and Justin, I
• 59:00
  really appreciate y'all's ability to jump in feet first.
• 59:05
  There's never a dull moment really.
• 59:08
  And Aubrey, I appreciate your ability to embrace tragedy to an
• 59:16
  extent. Like whenever Raleigh suffers,
• 59:24
  you convey it so well and you get this little gremlin energy
• 59:29
  about you to pile more suffering on, and it really hits.
• 59:34
  And Katie, I appreciate your ability to be vulnerable.
• 59:42
  And I guess I'm also here. You're also here.
• 59:47
  That was a delivery loss, by the way.
• 59:49
  What are some stranger fellow players bring to the table?
• 59:54
  Oh, I see how it is. I see how it is.
• 59:57
  Didn't we, like literally start off this thread by we talking
• 59:59
  about you pushing people's buttons, Sawyer?
• 1:00:01
  Yeah. No, but if there's anything
• 1:00:03
  bigger than my ego out there, I want it caught and shot
• 1:00:05
  immediately. You're.
• 1:00:06
  Well. Yeah, no, I, Sawyer, I, I
• 1:00:09
  really, I really appreciate your NPC work.
• 1:00:13
  A lot of the time you make some very neurotic characters.
• 1:00:19
  Welcome to Vampire the Massacre. I.
• 1:00:25
  Oops, sorry. No, it's all good.
• 1:00:28
  I was just going to ask like as a personal question for me, like
• 1:00:32
  who's everyone's favorite pairing?
• 1:00:34
  Because like my favorite pairings are always like the
• 1:00:39
  girl squad or just Raleigh and Astor.
• 1:00:43
  We kick ass. Yeah, I like the girl squad.
• 1:00:48
  My like just going off of like Ash, both Ash and Jeremy and Ash
• 1:00:55
  and Raleigh are are are my favorite are like my personal
• 1:00:58
  like just because they've sort of kind of they're they're sort
• 1:01:01
  of kind of in similar vibes. There's a, there's a very fun
• 1:01:07
  scene in Season 2 where there's a like, I've been wanting to do
• 1:01:13
  that scene forever and there's a very fun, like little weird
• 1:01:16
  thing that they bond over in a very depressing way.
• 1:01:20
  But again. Spoilers.
• 1:01:23
  I think I said there was a scene.
• 1:01:25
  I didn't say I think it was just it's a.
• 1:01:28
  Big guy, we promise. I, I had to, I've I've, I've
• 1:01:34
  kept worse spoilers. You know, I had to, I had to
• 1:01:36
  keep character deaths from one of my Co hosts for like 2 years
• 1:01:40
  of recording a podcast. You're a monster.
• 1:01:48
  I will say I personally really love the obviously I'm I'm going
• 1:01:55
  to say I, I, I love the Ash and Jeremy scenes.
• 1:01:59
  So those, those are some of my favorite scenes out of season 1.
• 1:02:01
  Beat the three line of them going out to smoke has been
• 1:02:03
  fabulous. But I, I really do have to say I
• 1:02:07
  love, especially in season 1, how supportive Astor is.
• 1:02:10
  Every single time you put Astor alone with any of the coderie
• 1:02:13
  members, there's always something supportive or helpful
• 1:02:16
  to say or to do and it like, it's really heartwarming.
• 1:02:20
  She's the strong friend. Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  We love you, Esther. I'm a big fan of the polycule
• 1:02:31
  personally. Which one?
• 1:02:33
  Oh God. We're not going to get any more
• 1:02:35
  context because you're just going to have to watch Season 2.
• 1:02:42
  The polycule is fun. The.
• 1:02:47
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:49
  So. I'm gonna I'm gonna do us a
• 1:02:51
  favor and say another question from VATS.
• 1:02:54
  Who is the Vampire with no name? Oh God damn.
• 1:03:00
  I actually thought it was the SOB for the longest time.
• 1:03:03
  It it is kind of. Kind of I have.
• 1:03:09
  I have a weird crack theory but I won't say it because it's
• 1:03:12
  spoiler. Again, because all of my answers
• 1:03:15
  are multiple choice. So originally I came up with the
• 1:03:20
  name because, as you might have noticed, this series takes a lot
• 1:03:28
  of inspiration from like the old spaghetti western genre.
• 1:03:33
  And one of the classics of that genre is the Dollars series,
• 1:03:36
  specifically starring Clint Eastwood's iconic character who
• 1:03:40
  was literally the man with no name.
• 1:03:43
  So when I first came up with this chronicle, it was kind of
• 1:03:47
  just like a fun, like tongue in cheek, you know, sort of not
• 1:03:51
  even a play on words, you know, just sort of like, yes, you and.
• 1:03:59
  That's why I put in chat so as to.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah, no, I can see, I you don't get.
• 1:04:03
  Yes, you pretentious bastard. I know he has several names, but
• 1:04:07
  I mean, in the in the fucking diegesis of the story, you
• 1:04:13
  asshole, he is technically the man with no name because that's
• 1:04:17
  part of the you know, you know, you know something, Justin, You
• 1:04:27
  don't always have to say what's on your mind.
• 1:04:29
  I'm just doing keel work here. Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  So for those of you at home. Great Nor Cal SoCal rivalry at
• 1:04:39
  work. Yeah, you might, you might be
• 1:04:40
  asking yourself it's, is this a bit, do you want it to be?
• 1:04:44
  It's a bit, I mean, it's seriously, I don't do this with
• 1:04:47
  anybody else. And it's just you're, you're
• 1:04:50
  really fun because you're like the only person I can do this
• 1:04:52
  to. Because you know.
• 1:04:55
  Because you take everything I do as like, you know?
• 1:04:58
  A personal affront? Yes.
• 1:04:59
  Yes, I get like Shakespearean reactions out of you.
• 1:05:04
  I am from. San Diego, you cannot kill me in
• 1:05:08
  any way that matters. I mean, why would I?
• 1:05:10
  You were from San Diego. You're already.
• 1:05:12
  Dead side. Oh wow.
• 1:05:15
  Exactly. Now, is that before or after he
• 1:05:18
  moved to Portland? Yes, I thought that I would.
• 1:05:24
  I thought that clearly the city to rehabilitate me would be
• 1:05:28
  Portland, OR Circle the 20s. Yeah, I've I've bounced around
• 1:05:35
  from one dumpster fire of a municipality for most of my
• 1:05:38
  life. But again, that's neither here
• 1:05:41
  nor there. Lightning round time.
• 1:05:44
  Real quick. Yeah, hold on.
• 1:05:47
  Is that question actually from Bats?
• 1:05:51
  Yeah, it is actually from bats, Yeah.
• 1:05:52
  It. Has.
• 1:05:54
  No name listed the last game I assume.
• 1:05:56
  It was bats because of the above thing.
• 1:05:59
  So who is the? Who is the?
• 1:06:00
  I just wanted to appreciate it that that question came from
• 1:06:04
  someone with no name. No, no, there's.
• 1:06:08
  No. There's a person who can commit
• 1:06:10
  to the bit. But and the other answer to that
• 1:06:16
  question is the vampire with her name is kind of everybody,
• 1:06:21
  because at a certain point in the story, everybody in the
• 1:06:26
  chronicle is either not who they want to be or is literally going
• 1:06:31
  by a different identity. Yeah, either probably had her
• 1:06:35
  name taken from her. Yeah, so that is the broader
• 1:06:40
  thematic reason why it's called the Vampire with no Name.
• 1:06:44
  So, and as to whether or not Masaf is the vampire, no, no
• 1:06:49
  name yes, because he also, in a sense, falls into the category
• 1:06:55
  of somebody who has had irrecoverable changes made to
• 1:07:01
  his personal identity because of, you know, vampirism.
• 1:07:08
  But I can't say more on the subjects other than yeah
• 1:07:12
  fuckers, he's still alive. It's going to.
• 1:07:17
  Be everyone's problem. We did skip a question Bats did
• 1:07:22
  ask. What is each character's karaoke
• 1:07:24
  song? Oh shit.
• 1:07:26
  Astor has no karaoke song. She is the drunk friend in the
• 1:07:29
  background screaming entirely too loud.
• 1:07:33
  Totally clips of the heart. Run around every now and OK I
• 1:07:39
  cannot sing like Jeremy so I will save you the thing.
• 1:07:44
  Jeremy's is probably either Don't Stop Believing with a
• 1:07:49
  group or if he's with a bunch of other people who sang The
• 1:07:52
  Longest Time by Billy Joel the acapella thing.
• 1:07:59
  I feel like Raleigh's is something Broadway related, like
• 1:08:03
  probably from like either like Wicked or Phantom or something
• 1:08:10
  like that. And.
• 1:08:11
  My immediate thought was defying gravity.
• 1:08:14
  Yeah, defying gravity as well, I think.
• 1:08:16
  It's a beggar. Yeah, it's a beggar of a solid.
• 1:08:19
  Yeah, do I get to answer this question?
• 1:08:24
  Yes. Yeah, you.
• 1:08:26
  Could absolutely answer this question.
• 1:08:29
  OK, I mean. What is Token's favorite song?
• 1:08:34
  Uptown Girl by Billy Joel. I knew Toad and Jeremy were
• 1:08:40
  bored to get along. Yeah, yeah, I can't confirm.
• 1:08:46
  Toad is a big Billy Joel fan. Let's see who else Handsome.
• 1:08:54
  I think Handsome's go to karaoke song probably like cigarettes
• 1:08:58
  and chocolate milk. I feel like this is this is a
• 1:09:04
  hard one for me honestly. Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  And then Sebastian. Interesting.
• 1:09:16
  Yeah, all of my all of my ash answers are joke answers.
• 1:09:20
  We can just see the. Table that's that's that's part
• 1:09:23
  of like my thing is like because there is for me, there is a
• 1:09:27
  certain question of what's Crow's go to song?
• 1:09:32
  What what would be Crow's go to karaoke song?
• 1:09:37
  Ashley's go to karaoke song because they're two different
• 1:09:40
  songs. How would I, how would I do us a
• 1:09:42
  favor And I expand the question because that's, you know,
• 1:09:45
  Jeremy's thing is listening to music.
• 1:09:47
  What is their go to karaoke song?
• 1:09:48
  And then what is their actual soundtrack display?
• 1:09:51
  Oh, I know Ash's song. It's more than a feeling.
• 1:09:55
  Oh my God, I can see that 100%. This is going to be This is
• 1:10:02
  going to be an absolutely unhinged answer, but it's true.
• 1:10:06
  Crow's song is Blackbird by Alter Bridge and Ashley's go to
• 1:10:12
  karaoke song is 2 Trucks by Lemon Demon.
• 1:10:16
  Very different people, very different.
• 1:10:18
  People. I yeah, I think going back to
• 1:10:24
  marriage relaxer. So Bruhariya, that's Sebastian's
• 1:10:27
  go to karaoke. I think the song playing in the
• 1:10:31
  background is Dr. Sunshine is Dead by Will Wood.
• 1:10:38
  Yeah. Yeah, just like jot that down in
• 1:10:41
  my notes somewhere. Yeah, Sebastian, I mean, we're
• 1:10:45
  probably going to get into Sebastian's holstick this
• 1:10:47
  recording session, but yeah, they're, I'm not saying he's a
• 1:10:49
  sympathetic character per SE, but there's a reason he is the
• 1:10:53
  way he is. I'd say as as of right now,
• 1:10:59
  Raleigh's like song like her theme song is The Hunter by
• 1:11:06
  Paris Paloma I. Don't know am I allowed to keep?
• 1:11:14
  I know I've got a lot of SPCS. Let's do, let's do build it.
• 1:11:18
  What's What's Marius? Oh, it was total cups of the
• 1:11:21
  heart. Yeah, but what's the background
• 1:11:23
  song? The background song.
• 1:11:26
  So like what? There's the soundtracks.
• 1:11:29
  Yeah. What would Jeremy hear if he was
• 1:11:30
  listening to Maria's life? Oh, this is.
• 1:11:37
  Definitely not me doing field research for season 2.
• 1:11:40
  I'll get back to you on that one, Kevin.
• 1:11:44
  Is Aster's overarching like theme song?
• 1:11:46
  Background song is How villains are made by Madeline Duke.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, that tracks. Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
• 1:11:55
  We've already got, we've already got Ashes canonically, I
• 1:11:57
  suppose, though, though there are some, though there, there
• 1:12:03
  are some moments when it switches from Fleetwood Mac to,
• 1:12:06
  like, hardcore. Is that when ash locks in?
• 1:12:11
  Yeah, when Ash locks in like like Ash has like a workout set
• 1:12:16
  and there's like it is the most like it is the most like like
• 1:12:23
  very hardcore shed. It's you need.
• 1:12:25
  To answer, you need to answer a question for me and I need you
• 1:12:28
  to be as honest as possible, Justin.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah. As Ash, at any point before
• 1:12:35
  going into a fight, cocked their biceps like Henry Kefle.
• 1:12:39
  I was totally thinking that exact same question.
• 1:12:42
  I don't, I don't, I don't think they, I don't think they cock
• 1:12:44
  their biceps. They they they do the shoulder
• 1:12:47
  roll OK and it's not as cool, but because I don't think
• 1:12:52
  because I don't think. He for sure has.
• 1:12:55
  For sure, because I don't think has like me.
• 1:12:59
  OK, there we go. Yeah, OK, OK.
• 1:13:06
  All right. The next.
• 1:13:07
  Oh, fuck sake. So this this question is from
• 1:13:11
  Sebastian, not. Our Sebastian.
• 1:13:15
  Did. You write it that yourself.
• 1:13:17
  This is it's more unhinged once you actually read the question,
• 1:13:20
  so go for it. Oh God, do it.
• 1:13:23
  Should I do this in Sebastian's voice just to fuck with people?
• 1:13:25
  Please, please do. Please do.
• 1:13:29
  Hey Lex, if there was a single truth inherent teach your
• 1:13:34
  characters, would it be? Obviously the person to answer
• 1:13:39
  first should be Ashley's player. I will when I can breathe.
• 1:13:49
  The single inherent truth. The single inherent truth.
• 1:13:53
  Ashley's a sucker for a baritone.
• 1:13:56
  No. No, I think genuinely a single
• 1:14:04
  inherent truth. If you need time, we can come
• 1:14:08
  back to. You I'm trying to think of
• 1:14:10
  necessarily how to phrase it. I think that a single inherent
• 1:14:14
  truth is that she still has faith in something beyond
• 1:14:22
  mortality. Like I, I have a firm belief
• 1:14:27
  that if I were to play Ashley as a hunter as opposed to Crow, she
• 1:14:33
  would absolutely be like a faith-based hunter.
• 1:14:37
  So as a it air truth that when she sat there in the desert and
• 1:14:40
  said I like listening to her, I there's a very genuine faith in
• 1:14:48
  her that even still has not been shaken by her time as a vampire.
• 1:14:56
  And definitely tracks Raleigh's is one of her convictions on her
• 1:15:01
  sheet and I feel like it is the guiding principle of her life
• 1:15:06
  and especially her own life. It's through love, all is
• 1:15:11
  possible. Jeremy is like single truth is
• 1:15:18
  probably something akin to self sabotage.
• 1:15:23
  He's so much smarter than he lets himself be, and a lot of
• 1:15:26
  times his biggest problem is getting in his own way.
• 1:15:31
  For Ash, and I think this is this will be a theme in season
• 1:15:35
  2, but it's that they are the only one who gets that.
• 1:15:42
  They are the only one who gets to define themselves.
• 1:15:46
  I think Astor's is she, there's some some, some part of her deep
• 1:15:52
  down that believes that everything's still going to turn
• 1:15:54
  out OK. Maria's is just that a painful
• 1:15:59
  truth is better than than a comfortable lie.
• 1:16:01
  It's. A good one.
• 1:16:06
  We, we, I, I don't have time. I, I don't have time.
• 1:16:13
  Look, I could, I could talk about my SPC's all damn day, but
• 1:16:16
  we don't have time. So let's move on to the next
• 1:16:18
  one. This one is from the Fatty
• 1:16:22
  Atomic Mutant, which is a very fun name.
• 1:16:28
  They ask is there a possibility the characters in the future
• 1:16:32
  plot episodes may encounter other splats such as
• 1:16:35
  changelings, mages or mummies? Mummy, mummy.
• 1:16:41
  Can I finally have my yandere chainsaw wielding black spiral
• 1:16:45
  dancer girlfriend? Next.
• 1:16:50
  Question that question. It's OK, Kevin.
• 1:16:55
  I appreciate it. I know you would.
• 1:16:57
  I know you would. OK, so to be blunt, I'm it's not
• 1:17:03
  that I'm against cross play, it's just that when I was
• 1:17:06
  writing the overarching story I wanted for this chronicle
• 1:17:10
  specifically, I have definitely included elements.
• 1:17:16
  So, like the broader supernatural shenanigans of the
• 1:17:21
  World of Darkness. Or at least my take on them.
• 1:17:23
  But As for actual other varieties of supernaturals, No,
• 1:17:30
  probably not if you. If you want to read about demons
• 1:17:33
  in San Arroyo, you could read my smutfic Coffin Butter, which
• 1:17:40
  chapter 2 will involve infertilism.
• 1:17:42
  Yeah. Yeah, There was a world in which
• 1:17:48
  I was thinking about there being guru at some point, but then
• 1:17:53
  after I went back through my notes and I was actually like,
• 1:17:56
  you know, it just really doesn't work with what I'm going for.
• 1:18:01
  There is, I will say there is some crossover with the broader
• 1:18:07
  universe of world, the apocalypse.
• 1:18:08
  We've got Pentex to get a lot of Pentex subsidiaries that candy
• 1:18:13
  viewers are definitely going to clock and you know, obviously
• 1:18:19
  Hunter, but Hunter and V5 especially so interconnected,
• 1:18:23
  especially with the, you know, the second inquisition stuff.
• 1:18:27
  So that's not really that's is that really cross play at a
• 1:18:29
  certain point the. Real question for you Sawyer is
• 1:18:34
  the most important like cross flag question.
• 1:18:37
  Is there a Danny's? And is it a good or a bad
• 1:18:42
  Denny's? Yes, the appendix is a non
• 1:18:49
  denominate, you know, copyright compliance, 24 hour spin off.
• 1:18:59
  But no, there are two Denny's in Santa Roy.
• 1:19:02
  There's a good Denny's and a bad Denny's.
• 1:19:04
  We get into this in Season 2. Yeah.
• 1:19:07
  I'm really surprised Santa Arroyo has enough life in it to
• 1:19:10
  have a good Denny's. No, you don't understand.
• 1:19:13
  Denny's shows up after the signs of place and vanish.
• 1:19:17
  I see. Like a fungus.
• 1:19:21
  It feeds on decay. Just don't read into it.
• 1:19:28
  Oh, man, yeah, I look, I'm. Look, tell you what, I'll
• 1:19:32
  introduce a mummy when I find somebody who's actually played
• 1:19:35
  Mummy. The Resurrection.
• 1:19:36
  How's that final answer is? There is stuff, but in terms of
• 1:19:41
  like actual crossover or like guest characters who are playing
• 1:19:46
  a distinctly different form of supernatural now?
• 1:19:52
  Not in this one. It's not a dig at anybody who
• 1:19:55
  likes doing that sort of thing in the World Darkness game.
• 1:19:58
  It's just more me personally. There's already so much stuff
• 1:20:02
  going on with a vampire. Yeah, we're going to add mummies
• 1:20:06
  to it. Yeah, we're.
• 1:20:07
  Busy what is their 9 foot tall and can RIP us all in half of
• 1:20:10
  their bare hands. Did that wrong, Mummy.
• 1:20:18
  Oh, OK. Justin, Justin, Justin, Justin,
• 1:20:24
  Justin, Justin. I need you to go to so much hell
• 1:20:28
  it's not even funny. I do find it charming that you
• 1:20:38
  call that cross play, because to me cross play has always meant
• 1:20:42
  playing a character of a gender you aren't.
• 1:20:47
  Well, they call it. It's called cross play It.
• 1:20:50
  It's also called look man, look man.
• 1:20:56
  I don't. I do plenty of cross play.
• 1:21:01
  All right. And that was before you started
• 1:21:03
  threatening me with the gender hammer.
• 1:21:05
  Yeah, I know you don't believe me, but that was not a force
• 1:21:08
  femme joke this time. But that was just a gender for.
• 1:21:11
  Once this time, for once you want to do the last question.
• 1:21:19
  I've got some questions. OK, OK, sure.
• 1:21:25
  These are more just like rapid rapid fire things.
• 1:21:28
  OK, we we have one more question on that the the list.
• 1:21:32
  Yeah, We have one more question. So let's do the rapid fire and
• 1:21:35
  then we'll end it off with the last question.
• 1:21:38
  Sounds good. What's something that surprised
• 1:21:40
  you between conceiving your character and how it played out
• 1:21:42
  in Season 1? Honestly, I expected everything.
• 1:21:49
  I built Raleigh to talk first, punch second.
• 1:21:55
  She has done everything the opposite way.
• 1:21:57
  She has punched first to talk 2nd every single time.
• 1:22:02
  We love you. She did.
• 1:22:04
  Try to talk to Toad. Yeah, a little.
• 1:22:09
  Bit. Negotiations broke down real
• 1:22:14
  fast. You should have.
• 1:22:16
  Realized it wasn't going to go anywhere.
• 1:22:20
  You had one job and you showed up anyway.
• 1:22:23
  Which? Was ballsy.
• 1:22:26
  I wish, I wish we had more time in Season 1 because there's a
• 1:22:32
  lot of stuff I wanted to do with Jeremy that we never really got
• 1:22:35
  a chance to do that. That was kind of one of the ones
• 1:22:39
  that like, that was one of the ones that like surprised me the
• 1:22:42
  most, was just like how quickly time got away from us.
• 1:22:47
  Place of the course of like 4 days.
• 1:22:49
  Yeah, the entirety of season 1 takes place it barely a week.
• 1:22:57
  Yeah. Like I didn't realize until like
• 1:23:00
  most of the way into season 2 that we never actually did
• 1:23:02
  Jeremy's epilogoc scene. What is a piece of media that
• 1:23:10
  was for that was maybe formatted in your conceptual development
• 1:23:14
  of your character? Rocket Man, the movie, that
• 1:23:20
  that's it. That's literally, that was
• 1:23:22
  literally one of my inspirations.
• 1:23:24
  Jurassic Park, believe it or not.
• 1:23:27
  Oh, really? The dragon?
• 1:23:28
  Really. No.
• 1:23:30
  Yeah, I mean also just like the digging things up and being
• 1:23:33
  excited about it part. Raleigh is a strange mixture of
• 1:23:39
  Black Widow Kimberly for the Power Rangers and Clary Frey
• 1:23:45
  from Shadowhunters. I mean, I guess to clarify, my
• 1:23:50
  original inspiration for Jeremy was a mix of Elton John and
• 1:23:53
  Britney Spears. I think literally that was the
• 1:23:56
  express like pitch. Well.
• 1:24:02
  I actually had no thought. Literally.
• 1:24:06
  Yes, you went in with 0 disciplines.
• 1:24:10
  I had nothing. I literally was brought in and
• 1:24:15
  we had a meeting and they were like, So what did you do to end
• 1:24:18
  up in fucking San Arroyo? And I was like, I don't know, I
• 1:24:20
  blew up a building. And I'm like, well, I can run
• 1:24:23
  with that like. Yeah, no, that's how.
• 1:24:28
  Master came about. What is a Nemer joke from the
• 1:24:33
  cast recording from season 1 that just sticks out to you?
• 1:24:38
  Fuck it, we ball is not a plan. You know, you know what it is.
• 1:24:43
  It's 2 words that will haunt me for the rest of my fucking life.
• 1:24:46
  Good. Girl.
• 1:24:49
  Excuse me? Fuckers, it's pronounced good
• 1:24:53
  girl. There it is.
• 1:24:55
  Isn't, isn't, isn't it when I tell?
• 1:24:59
  You how quickly I just ripped my headphones off my head knowing
• 1:25:02
  that that was incoming. That answers your question.
• 1:25:07
  I'm just happy that I stopped one of my triggers so we're
• 1:25:09
  good. Yeah, you.
• 1:25:10
  With great baritone comes great willingness for shenanigans.
• 1:25:16
  I will say one of my favorite memes that kind of stuck out to
• 1:25:19
  the point that my friends who listens to the podcast have
• 1:25:21
  called it out is any chair in any room that hasn't been
• 1:25:24
  checked for a Jeremy might contain a Jeremy, and with all
• 1:25:27
  connotations that involves. The cuck chair.
• 1:25:32
  I in fact get messages from people who would like travel a
• 1:25:36
  lot. I especially in like hotel rooms
• 1:25:39
  and stuff that they'll take a picture of the chair and be
• 1:25:41
  like, I don't know if Jeremy is in that or not.
• 1:25:43
  I mean, have they sat in it? It's.
• 1:25:46
  I didn't ask. I don't know if they, if they
• 1:25:48
  sit and then they feel something poking into the small.
• 1:25:50
  They're back then. Yeah, Jeremy's probably there.
• 1:25:53
  Hey, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, front desk.
• 1:25:57
  Can I get a less direct chair in my room?
• 1:26:01
  So I see. So So I went wine tasting this
• 1:26:03
  spring and the hotel I was staying at, like the room they
• 1:26:06
  got us in, I had four chairs in it and I was just like, the
• 1:26:11
  fuck? Is this a Belkavian summit?
• 1:26:16
  Not not legitimately like 2 weeks ago sent me a picture of
• 1:26:21
  what they called the cuck command chair.
• 1:26:23
  And it had like this like office desk with like a really plush
• 1:26:26
  chair sitting behind it facing the bed like 2 feet away from
• 1:26:30
  the bed and just like a bunch of like cushions and stuff around
• 1:26:33
  it. And it was just like that had to
• 1:26:34
  be intentional. I can't make that joke because
• 1:26:38
  that would be spoilers for season 2, so I'm just going to
• 1:26:41
  let it play out in my brain. Speaking of Season 2, everybody
• 1:26:46
  tell a lie about Season 2. Everything's fine.
• 1:26:51
  Aster and Zach work out all of their problems.
• 1:26:55
  It turns out you cannot defeat the power of the eternal
• 1:26:59
  struggle with the power of love. You would need to use the.
• 1:27:04
  Consequences for past actions. It's less lesbian than the first
• 1:27:10
  season. It's.
• 1:27:15
  Not really a high bar. I don't know, I feel like that
• 1:27:20
  one might be close. OK, whatever.
• 1:27:25
  Now you got another one, Justin. I mean, I've got I've got one
• 1:27:29
  that is that is a little bit more in depth.
• 1:27:30
  But are you guys familiar with the concept of personal play of
• 1:27:38
  like how do you interact with characters outside of like the
• 1:27:41
  actual session? Like do journal I I I know, I
• 1:27:45
  know misfit journals. I, I write, I drabble, I, you
• 1:27:51
  know, I have several like little short things that are like
• 1:27:56
  Raleigh. I think there's a few that are
• 1:27:59
  like mid season, there's a few that are between seasons.
• 1:28:05
  I take horrific amounts of notes and then I I walk every day and
• 1:28:12
  like, so on my walks I kind of replay the last session in my
• 1:28:16
  head that's close to verbatim as I can.
• 1:28:18
  And sometimes I re listen to them and just I kind of repeat
• 1:28:21
  everything to try to burn as much of it in my memory as I
• 1:28:24
  can. That's why a journal, I actually
• 1:28:28
  journal in Astor's voice, So and I journal it like as from her
• 1:28:33
  perspective because A, it helps me unwind from sessions and B,
• 1:28:38
  it helps me remember a lot of the details.
• 1:28:43
  And it's been quite fun going back and like rereading some of
• 1:28:47
  the stuff from Season 1 and being like, oh man, that's a
• 1:28:50
  quote that's good. I think for me, it's really, I
• 1:28:57
  was going to say for me it's a really interesting thing because
• 1:29:01
  prior to, you know, doing this and prior to my transition, I
• 1:29:07
  did pro wrestling. So the idea of kind of getting
• 1:29:10
  into character in a live setting was very much one of those
• 1:29:14
  things. Like I started to develop sort
• 1:29:17
  of pre show, pre match, post show, post match rituals to kind
• 1:29:23
  of help me separate a little bit.
• 1:29:29
  So for me, I do have like a kind of a pre show ritual and a post
• 1:29:35
  show ritual where like specifically my pre show ritual
• 1:29:38
  is I will be getting SoCal girly.
• 1:29:42
  I get to, you know, go out and go sit on my balcony and smoke a
• 1:29:46
  pre roll and I usually put on, I have a station on Spotify that's
• 1:29:53
  high lung and Oh my God, it's just it's a whole lot of just
• 1:30:00
  sort of like this sort of Peggy folk kind of music that just
• 1:30:04
  really helps me get into Crow's Head.
• 1:30:08
  And then at the end of the session I usually go out and
• 1:30:10
  we'll put on something that's more my playlist.
• 1:30:14
  So whether I'm feeling more in punk or country or something
• 1:30:17
  like that, to put on something that is very exclusively
• 1:30:20
  separate so that I can kind of wind down and sort of pull
• 1:30:23
  myself out of the Crow character.
• 1:30:27
  I have so many plates spinning, you know, generally I try to in
• 1:30:36
  an effort to make the world feel more dynamic whenever I go back
• 1:30:41
  and I'm trying to. So anyone to explain about my
• 1:30:45
  process is that I do not have exhaustive like flow charts or
• 1:30:49
  session notes. I my basic my basic gist for
• 1:30:55
  session prep is I know I figure out where we're beginning, I
• 1:30:58
  figure out where I want it to end, and then I see in the
• 1:31:02
  middle if the dice will allow that circumstance to form.
• 1:31:07
  And if it doesn't then I scrap the old plan and I make a new
• 1:31:10
  plan. And the only reason this works
• 1:31:12
  is because I'm constantly trying to figure out what all the other
• 1:31:15
  SPCS are doing while they are essentially off camera, which is
• 1:31:22
  exhausting. So I have a lot of SBCS.
• 1:31:28
  I had AII during when we were in season 1.
• 1:31:31
  I, I ended up writing a like podcast episode script about one
• 1:31:38
  of the Crawfords, which was like by sort of thing.
• 1:31:42
  And I've done that with a couple, I've done like a couple
• 1:31:44
  like random blurbs of like various Santa Arroyo figures of
• 1:31:51
  like my own personal head cannon.
• 1:31:52
  And then and then now that we're in Season 2, I'm writing a fix
• 1:31:57
  that's set between seasons, which doesn't really have any
• 1:32:00
  Season 2 spoilers. Also, what about Ash Bodes, one
• 1:32:04
  of the characters that Sawyer killed?
• 1:32:10
  Either way, it's necrophilia. Look, all I'm going to say is I
• 1:32:14
  my biggest regret and my build order for Jeremy is I didn't
• 1:32:17
  have the space to take Wingman so I could get more of the coda
• 1:32:20
  relayed. I don't know how they've been
• 1:32:25
  doing. Aston was doing all right for a
• 1:32:30
  while. Yeah, Aston was doing all right
• 1:32:32
  for a minute. Can you spell situation ship
• 1:32:37
  kids right And then our oh wait, Kevin, you have a question from
• 1:32:47
  your LARP server, apparently. Yeah, I told people I was
• 1:32:50
  recording this tonight and somebody messaged me one.
• 1:32:53
  So like one of the things that, like Mylar, for example, talks a
• 1:32:56
  lot about is bleed management. And I think we've kind of
• 1:32:59
  touched a little bit on that with what we've just talked
• 1:33:01
  about. But what are some good examples
• 1:33:05
  of bleed and bad examples of bleed through the lenses of each
• 1:33:09
  of the characters? That was the question I got.
• 1:33:13
  Like for for me, a, a good bleed, like as somebody who
• 1:33:20
  who's like I'm, I'm not like I'm not an actor capital a actor,
• 1:33:25
  but like I, I, I did theatre and like, you know, if I can, if I
• 1:33:32
  can get into a scene, like if I can feel something like, you
• 1:33:38
  know, and channel that and that's good bleed.
• 1:33:43
  Like that bad bleed would be like, you know, if there is a,
• 1:33:47
  if there's a real dissonance between like the story I wanted
• 1:33:52
  to tell and like, like if every, if everything was going against
• 1:34:01
  that, like mechanically that kind of can lead to a bad bleed
• 1:34:05
  situation, especially if it's just like there's a sort of like
• 1:34:11
  if there's sort of like a like helplessness to that.
• 1:34:15
  But I think like a good bleed is like, you know, I, I think I've
• 1:34:17
  had a couple good scenes where it's like, Oh, I'm feeling
• 1:34:21
  something and I can channel that back into app.
• 1:34:26
  Yeah, no, I totally agree with that.
• 1:34:28
  I in recording this show, I haven't had any bad bleed.
• 1:34:32
  There's been a few times where I'd say it's like good bleed
• 1:34:35
  where it's just like Bradley's feelings kind of like flow over
• 1:34:39
  into mine. Like there's there's like in my
• 1:34:42
  like actual play career. I would say there's only like
• 1:34:45
  been two times that I have had like bad character bleed just
• 1:34:52
  because the most part I've worked with a lot of groups that
• 1:34:54
  are really good with like cool down and like just, you know,
• 1:35:02
  sitting there talking with people and the hilariousness
• 1:35:06
  that one of the times was in the first game that Sawyer ever ran
• 1:35:10
  for me. But that that literally it was
• 1:35:13
  it was a very traumatic session for my character because her
• 1:35:16
  boyfriend died. But it was also, it was actually
• 1:35:18
  a lot of outside factors that caused bad bleed because my
• 1:35:24
  character's boyfriend died. And then the next morning, I got
• 1:35:27
  a call that my childhood cat had passed.
• 1:35:28
  It was just like, oh, I got a lot of feelings.
• 1:35:34
  Yeah. That's hard.
• 1:35:36
  That's hard to walk away from a session when you have because I
• 1:35:38
  already have feelings. Because I was already kind of
• 1:35:41
  emotional because it was a very, it was a fucking brutal scene.
• 1:35:46
  And that it was just like, Yep, Nope, you're you're the cat
• 1:35:48
  you've had for like 15 years. Passed away last night.
• 1:35:51
  I'm like, oh, no. And then the other one was like
• 1:35:57
  at the end of a Chronicle, 100 Chronicle I played where it
• 1:36:01
  essentially is like I didn't get an answer as to what happened to
• 1:36:06
  my character. Like it was just, I don't know.
• 1:36:10
  And it's just like everybody else got an answer.
• 1:36:14
  That's so frustrating. That would drive me nuts.
• 1:36:18
  It did for several days when I had to.
• 1:36:22
  I had to eventually start writing stuff on my own to give
• 1:36:24
  them an ending. Because if not, I was just going
• 1:36:27
  to obsess over it because I don't.
• 1:36:30
  Especially because, like, it's a, it's a chronicle that we're
• 1:36:32
  never going to revisit. It's a character that I'm
• 1:36:34
  probably never going to play again.
• 1:36:35
  I need to know how her story ends for me.
• 1:36:38
  But like, that's, that's like one of the ways also I manage
• 1:36:43
  manage bleed is like I start writing like I read stuff from
• 1:36:46
  the character's perspective, you know, anything to get those
• 1:36:51
  emotions out. I do art about it.
• 1:36:54
  There's been exactly specifically Ty Ty will will
• 1:37:00
  like like loop back around to. So you're being incredibly good
• 1:37:04
  at fucking, like, finding the hurt and just jabbing.
• 1:37:13
  They're like his grubby little fingers in it and like, spinning
• 1:37:16
  it around. Yeah, you're really good at
• 1:37:18
  hurting people in the emotional centers of them.
• 1:37:23
  Jabbing my fingers in, you say? You take that as you will, but
• 1:37:31
  this, this show specifically, there was I didn't I didn't have
• 1:37:37
  it as much after like the actual crash out, but that's because I
• 1:37:40
  let the emotions flow through me and I just kind of got them out.
• 1:37:45
  But after the branding, I was like, holy shit, I don't know
• 1:37:51
  what to do with any of this. I am squirming, crawling up a
• 1:37:56
  wall. I'm going to do art about it.
• 1:37:59
  And I just sat and like, I literally worked on something
• 1:38:02
  for like 10 hours. And then I, I finally, as my
• 1:38:05
  partner calls it, I came up for air and I had painted this whole
• 1:38:11
  thing and he was like, do you feel better?
• 1:38:14
  And I was like, I do actually. So yeah, just got to get it out.
• 1:38:19
  Find something that you can focus on.
• 1:38:24
  Put those feelings into it. I was gonna say I, I mean there
• 1:38:28
  were definitely some like moments of like good bleed for,
• 1:38:32
  for me during season 1. I think I, I talked about them
• 1:38:35
  like with like with the solo stuff and the church like the
• 1:38:41
  actual like ritual ceremony with, with Crow like that was a
• 1:38:44
  lot of really good bleed. I can say the only time I've had
• 1:38:49
  any bad bleed and not going to drop any spoilers, there's a
• 1:38:54
  moment in Season 2 where a line is said between Sebastian to
• 1:38:58
  Crow. That was weirdly triggering for
• 1:39:06
  me. And it did put me in like a
• 1:39:08
  really bad bleed spot. And I think that's kind of like
• 1:39:11
  going back to, you know, one of the earlier questions about
• 1:39:13
  strengths from people at the table was like, for me, I'm not
• 1:39:18
  an artist in that way. So I don't put my stuff out and
• 1:39:21
  like writing and, and, and painting.
• 1:39:23
  I've just, that's not me. But being able to just go, oh,
• 1:39:27
  I'm feeling some type of way and like shoot out a message over to
• 1:39:31
  misfits, just be like, Hey, feeling a little rough after
• 1:39:35
  that session. We should hang out tomorrow.
• 1:39:37
  And then, you know, for me, that's just like, that's my
• 1:39:40
  thing on top of, you know, like I said, the rituals of just kind
• 1:39:43
  of separating myself from the character.
• 1:39:46
  But yeah, you got to get it out. Whether it's art or talking to
• 1:39:50
  somebody or something, man, it's good.
• 1:39:53
  It's good stuff. I don't know, bleed as a
• 1:39:58
  storyteller is weird because like I mean I have my favorite
• 1:40:05
  characters obviously. I would say the worst examples
• 1:40:09
  of bleed like from a game mass perspective is when
• 1:40:12
  storytellers, game masters, Dutch masters, whatever.
• 1:40:16
  Start to make it a competition, you know what I mean?
• 1:40:19
  Like you, you foil the best laid plans and then suddenly like
• 1:40:24
  they start taking it personally and they start ramping up the
• 1:40:27
  stakes or throwing curveballs just for the sake of like aha
• 1:40:31
  but you didn't see this one coming.
• 1:40:33
  And it at a certain point becomes less and less about
• 1:40:36
  storytelling or even just fun and more just about them re
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  establishing control over something.
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  And it gets a lot of, I've been in some groups that have
• 1:40:47
  dissolved because of that. And I won't deny I have felt
• 1:40:54
  that impulse before. Because, you know, you never
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  know what the zany fucks in your group are going to do.
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  Honestly, I get, I get frustrated, I get frustrated
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  easily and I work out because of it.
• 1:41:13
  I punch things. The reason I chose boxing is
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  like when my go to, I'm not a professional, I'm not even
• 1:41:22
  really an amateur boxer. I am the biggest martial arts
• 1:41:24
  hobbyist. But I find it very cathartic to
• 1:41:28
  engage in a form of exercise in which I can take out my
• 1:41:32
  frustrations on an inanimate object because.
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  Things I like about my things is so being able to hit something
• 1:41:44
  that isn't going to feel pain for it helps a lot.
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  Yeah. Like, because, you know, and
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  yeah, you probably get it, Kevin, because like, once you
• 1:41:53
  have gotten all that frustration out and like it, actually think
• 1:41:57
  rationally again, you're like, OK, it's not such a big deal.
• 1:42:03
  It's just the energy's got to go somewhere, you know?
• 1:42:06
  Yeah, no, there's, there's definitely a time after one of
• 1:42:09
  the episodes in Season 2 where I was like, I need to go to a rage
• 1:42:13
  room. I'm going to go break.
• 1:42:15
  Some shit the really bad so to be a spoiler light as possible,
• 1:42:22
  the recording sessions when my dad worked like right after my
• 1:42:26
  dad was in the hospital. Like those were really bad bleed
• 1:42:31
  situation for me where it's just a lot of things kind of like
• 1:42:34
  building up emotionally in my own head at the same time as bad
• 1:42:40
  things happening in game for like really rough to get through
• 1:42:43
  and kind of get out of. But there's definitely some like
• 1:42:47
  catharsis for some stuff as well, though, like when I kind
• 1:42:51
  of get my my catharsis out in game by a lot of my characters
• 1:42:55
  didn't have a martyr complex, which is I'm just going to keep
• 1:42:57
  throwing myself on the the sins of the coterie or the sins of
• 1:42:59
  the group, and I'm going to try to die for everyone's sins
• 1:43:02
  repeatedly. It's just because I don't know
• 1:43:05
  that that to me has always felt like the the way to get it out.
• 1:43:08
  I'm not sure that's another healthy way to do it, but that
• 1:43:10
  that's always the one that makes me feel better is I'm going to,
• 1:43:12
  I'd rather I get punished for something than my coterie or my
• 1:43:16
  group. So yeah, answer my own question
• 1:43:22
  there or answer my own pass along question there.
• 1:43:25
  All right. And because all right, so I'm
• 1:43:29
  going to hurry this along a little bit because we said we do
• 1:43:32
  the final question about 3 or 4 questions ago.
• 1:43:38
  So final question from Bo, did the rest of the cast know about
• 1:43:48
  the end of season reveal before it happened?
• 1:43:51
  No, fuck you, no. Nope, sure didn't.
• 1:43:54
  No. And we were.
• 1:43:55
  All. And we were all screaming while
• 1:43:59
  it was going on. We.
• 1:44:01
  Were. All.
• 1:44:02
  Silently, like as soon as it happened you could literally
• 1:44:05
  watch as everybody just went into mute because there was no
• 1:44:11
  way to hold back the voice of shock and surprise of what the
• 1:44:15
  fuck is happening. I think after that I my exact
• 1:44:20
  words were once we finished, like finally finished the
• 1:44:22
  recording was like what the. Fuck.
• 1:44:25
  Yeah, I mean, most, most often our recordings do end with a
• 1:44:28
  what the fuck? Or hey.
• 1:44:31
  Sawyer, what the fuck? But yeah, that was a, that was a
• 1:44:35
  particularly. Doozy.
• 1:44:37
  It was a doozy. Well, especially because we
• 1:44:40
  weren't waiting like we weren't waiting two weeks, you know,
• 1:44:43
  with like a recording schedule, you know, we were, we were
• 1:44:48
  waiting months between seasons. So we were just as like, what
• 1:44:52
  the fuck? So don't feel bad, everybody.
• 1:44:57
  We felt it too. I will say as like a like
• 1:45:03
  closing note, like thing, season 1 into recording season 2 was a
• 1:45:08
  lot of fun. And I, I can't imagine doing it
• 1:45:10
  with any other group of people than the people I've done it
• 1:45:13
  with. So to everybody here and to
• 1:45:15
  everybody's listened and everybody's giving us feedback.
• 1:45:18
  I love you all. You're you're the best.
• 1:45:22
  Yeah, you are. You are the thing that gets the
• 1:45:25
  world through the dark times, and we appreciate it.
• 1:45:31
  And I can't imagine doing a project like this with any other
• 1:45:34
  other croup than the people we're doing it with.
• 1:45:39
  OK, now he's going to make me cry.
• 1:45:45
  That includes you, Sawyer. I can't imagine doing this with
• 1:45:48
  anybody other than you. No.
• 1:45:52
  No feeling things, yeah, but look, you are.
• 1:46:03
  When the world increasingly begins to resemble the World of
• 1:46:07
  Darkness, you find your village and you hold on for dear life.
• 1:46:15
  And I'm happy to provide, if nothing else, a lifeline.
• 1:46:20
  Because I get it. Shit's tough.
• 1:46:23
  But that's why we play games. I'm here for some good old
• 1:46:29
  escapism. And this too shall pass.
• 1:46:35
  But just because just because the world outside is terrifying
• 1:46:43
  doesn't mean every single moment of your daily life should be.
• 1:46:46
  And if I have in any way managed to alleviate that, that I
• 1:46:51
  consider, I consider my purpose fulfilled, I just won't be able
• 1:46:57
  to have fun. You know, I just want, I just
• 1:47:03
  want the screaming to be purely consensual for just a couple
• 1:47:08
  hours. On that note.
• 1:47:14
  I want your recording episode. Yeah.
• 1:47:18
  You want to do that thing that we do typically on Wednesdays.
• 1:47:21
  Listeners, if you, your final girl will be coming out
• 1:47:26
  eventually, probably the next month.
• 1:47:28
  Soon, real soon, but. Get our pluggables.
• 1:47:30
  In. Because we never have to end a
• 1:47:31
  podcast, but Final Girls going to be coming out soon at that
• 1:47:38
  season 2. Got merch merch.
• 1:47:42
  They do indeed it. Looks fucking good.
• 1:47:45
  You can head over to doobiespeaches.com.
• 1:47:48
  I will totally do a stream where I'm drinking out of a teen up
• 1:47:53
  breathing of vermillo glass at some point.
• 1:47:57
  You too can. Well, I wouldn't recommend
• 1:48:01
  actually trying to make vermello at home, because real life
• 1:48:06
  datara is no joke. You will hallucinate until you
• 1:48:09
  die. But you can get about as close
• 1:48:12
  as you can by filling one of these lovely glasses with Malort
• 1:48:16
  or something similar. I feel like I feel like you
• 1:48:20
  could just take Malort and Jager like like do like a 1 to 1.
• 1:48:26
  Honestly, probably. What the fuck?
• 1:48:31
  Listeners, I'm sorry, that's now over.
• 1:48:32
  That's now what I'm calling a Vermelo and I'm going to make
• 1:48:35
  that I'm I'm going to go to the liquor store this weekend and
• 1:48:38
  I'm going to make. I am going to make Vermelo shot
• 1:48:43
  so. So what you're saying is if we
• 1:48:46
  all make it to pack some plug this year, hypothetically
• 1:48:50
  speaking, we should all know all do a shot of award?
• 1:48:53
  I. Won't because I don't drink
• 1:48:55
  anymore, but you all have fun with that.
• 1:48:57
  Seconded because I also don't drink anymore but you can
• 1:49:01
  torture your livers if you want to.
• 1:49:03
  I guess you'll do an attractive exologist.
• 1:49:05
  I'll I'll find I'll I'll I will make a a teetotaler A teetotaler
• 1:49:11
  drinkable mixed drink of a you described a virgin variety.
• 1:49:18
  Thank you, I will do AI will do a thing.
• 1:49:20
  At some point. Where I do, I will drink the
• 1:49:23
  most horrible concoction we can figure out the it's as close to
• 1:49:25
  vermillo as possible and drinking on string just for
• 1:49:27
  everyone. You can.
• 1:49:30
  I literally, as we are speaking, putting together a Bevmo cart of
• 1:49:34
  Malort and Jagger. This has happened.
• 1:49:36
  Why do you hate yourself? And that was how Katie died.
• 1:49:41
  You just did. You just ask, did you?
• 1:49:43
  Just ask me that question, are we?
• 1:49:44
  I feel like I thought we were wrapping up the Q&A because this
• 1:49:47
  is. The end of the hour on.
• 1:49:49
  Answering that question this. Is the official end of the Q and
• 1:49:52
  AI will fade out the audio right here you.
• 1:49:54
  All see. Yeah, bye.
• 1:49:56
  It's nice. To have to wrap a podcast
• 1:50:01
  before. Oh, fuck you, Justin.