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- m1 jeremie: Cooper, how are you? It's Friday. Welcome. What's up? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Gary Cooper, how are you? It's Friday. Welcome. What's up? riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Hallelujah. I'm good. How are you doing? m1 gary: Hallelujah! I'm good, all right, you done. m1 jeremie: I'm fabulous. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. It's great to hang out with you. It's been a whopping twenty one hours since we last spoke and I'm great it's good to hear your voice again. If I don't riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I'm fabulous. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. It's great to hang out with you. It's been a whopping twenty one hours since we last spoke and I'm great it's good to hear your voice again. If I don't m1 gary: Yes. Deliver your voice as well. to see you this time. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yes. Didn't hear your voice as well. Good to see you this time. m1 jeremie: It is nice. I know. Our call yesterday was a long one and a fun one about lots of cool stuff and some interesting companies. Hope we'll have some of those guys on the on the show one of these days. It'll be great. ⁓ but here we are, Boardroom Blitz. What's exciting is this is our first episode ever of this show, the Boardroom Blitz, that's presented by 1871. And interestingly enough, we figured what a better way to start our show than to have the CEO of 1871 with us. But we're not gonna introduce her yet. I want to hear from you really quickly. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: It is nice. I know. Our call yesterday was a long one and a fun one about lots of cool stuff and some interesting companies. Hope we'll have some of those guys on the on the show one of these days. It'll be great. ⁓ but here we are, Boardroom Blitz. What's exciting is this is our first episode ever of this show, the Boardroom Blitz, that's presented by 1871. And interestingly enough, we figured what a better way to start our show than to have the CEO of 1871 with us. But we're not gonna introduce her yet. I want to hear from you really quickly. ⁓ the coolest thing you read or heard this week that I probably should go read. m1 jeremie: ⁓ the coolest thing you read or heard this week that I probably should go read. m1 gary: Ooh, the coolest thing that I read this week that you should read. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Ooh the coolest thing that I read this week that you should read. I have an article right here that I just read about quantum biology. and ⁓ it turns out that you know quantal states can represent DNA. And so ⁓ m1 gary: have an article right here that I just read about quantum biology. ⁓ And it turns out that, ⁓ you know, quantum states can represent ⁓ DNA. And so... ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. Okay. m1 jeremie: Okay. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ that's super cool. So this so which is neat. So I have this theory that we've talked about this before, right? I mean, I I think that biology, life is quantum. Everything at the end of the day is quantum and quantum interactions. And so I gotta read this paper. I d does any of this get into the sort of the fuzzy math associated with the idea that like biological processes at the molecular level and subatomic level are really m1 jeremie: ⁓ that's super cool. So this so which is neat. So I have this theory that we've talked about this before, right? I mean, I I think that biology, life is quantum. Everything at the end of the day is quantum and quantum interactions. And so I gotta read this paper. I d does any of this get into the sort of the fuzzy math associated with the idea that like biological processes at the molecular level and subatomic level are really m1 gary: Thank you. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Okay. m1 gary: It's a review of our new friend riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: It's a it's a re it's a review of our friend V our new friend m1 gary: at Westons work where ⁓ showed that ⁓ DNA takes ⁓ shapes those shapes ⁓ exist in states. ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Vadim at where Northwestern's work where ⁓ they've showed that bio ⁓ DNA takes ⁓ shapes and those shapes ⁓ essentially in quantal states. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Sure. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: There they riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. m1 gary: so this is kind of review of that literature. And ⁓ if thought quantum was computing and computers on steroids, it turns out that nature riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: And so this is kind of a review of that literature. And ⁓ if if people thought quantum was just computing just computers on steroids, it turns out nature exist in causal states and now we're starting to figure out how that is and how we can manipulate that with the with that knowledge. m1 gary: exists in causal states and now we're starting to figure out how that is and how we can manipulate that with that knowledge. m1 jeremie: Yeah, man, awesome. Yeah, it really is turtles all the way down, where turtles equals quantum goodness. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, fun. Well, I I can't wait to read that one. So may ⁓ This week. You know, the thing that I just read, so I finished a book this morning that you should read. It's definitely it fits in with what you do, what I do, what we do in general. ⁓ it was written by John McNeil, the former CEO of Tesla. He just wrote this book and released it. It's called The Algorithm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, man, awesome. Yeah, it really is turtles all the way down, where turtles equals quantum goodness. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, fun. Well, I I can't wait to read that one. So may ⁓ This week. You know, the thing that I just read, so I finished a book this morning that you should read. It's definitely it fits in with what you do, what I do, what we do in general. ⁓ it was written by John McNeil, the former CEO of Tesla. He just wrote this book and released it. It's called The Algorithm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah, exactly right. Exactly right. Thank you right. m1 gary: Yes, exactly right. Exactly right. Thank you, Eddie. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: What about you? What about you? What have you read that I should know? m1 gary: What about you? What about you? What have you read that I should know? riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Okay. m1 gary: Thank riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, fuck it. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ it's basically the five phase or five step algorithm that ⁓ Elon Musk uses in all of his ventures. And a lot of what's in there for people who are founders, especially multi time founders, who've like gotten punched in the face a bunch of times. The the algorithm is is ⁓ instantly understandable and and you can easily recognize where some companies, maybe even your own, have have have used it or used parts of it. ⁓ but it's written really well. ⁓ and I it's it's one I definitely recommend that people read. ⁓ it's a good book. m1 jeremie: ⁓ it's basically the five phase or five step algorithm that Elon Musk uses in all of his ventures. And a lot of what's in there for people who are founders, especially multi time founders, who've like gotten punched in the face a bunch of times. The the algorithm is is ⁓ instantly understandable and and you can easily recognize where some companies, maybe even your own, have have have used it or used parts of it. ⁓ but it's written really well. ⁓ and I it's it's one I definitely recommend that people read. ⁓ it's a good book. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yes. m1 gary: Yes. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Th those those five things are something that I I think about all the time. So whether you're in hardware or whether you're in software or whether you're yeah yeah, yeah. m1 gary: Those five things are something that I think about all the time. Whether you're in hardware or whether you're in software or whether you're in API. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, yeah. And we I'm I'm like a hundred percent. Yeah. Totally. Totally. And it's one of those things that's like, now for you dear listener, ⁓ you should go read the book. I'm like so tempted to say the five, but I won't. ⁓ but ⁓ go read the book. It's great, it's worth your time. It's worth your time. And it's nice too 'cause for me that book like ties directly into the theme of our show, right? Which is our whole the whole goal here is to help to blend real world experience and like tactical advice with a little bit of m1 jeremie: Yeah. Yeah. And we I'm I'm like a hundred percent. Yeah. Totally. Totally. And it's one of those things that's like, now for you dear listener, ⁓ you should go read the book. I'm like so tempted to say the five, but I won't. ⁓ but ⁓ go read the book. It's great. It's worth your time. It's worth your time. And it's nice too 'cause for me that book like ties directly into the theme of our show, right? Which is our whole the whole goal here is to help to blend real world experience and like tactical advice with a little bit of riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Right. m1 gary: Right. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Goofing us here and there to help our listeners and quite frankly to help ourselves selfishly to like make better choices and certainly better choices than we've made and some of our guests have made over time ⁓ to help us navigate the really often awkward transition into executive leadership, whether that's as a founder or as a as a new hire to a growth stage company, or first time looking at going from, you know, going into the C-suite generally. So it's awesome. It's awesome. Well, and I think our guest today ⁓ m1 jeremie: Goofiness here and there to help our listeners and quite frankly to help ourselves selfishly to like make better choices and certainly better choices than we've made and some of our guests have made over time ⁓ to help us navigate the really often awkward transition into executive leadership, whether that's as a founder or as a as a new hire to a growth stage company. Our first time looking at going from, you know, going into the C-suite generally. So it's awesome. It's awesome. Well, and I think our guest today ⁓ is ⁓ m1 gary: you riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 gary: We will wait. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: We riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Fabulous example of how this has been done in the real world ⁓ multiple times over. ⁓ in fact, when I think about Betsy Ziegler, who was the CEO of 1871 and our dear guest and our dear friend, ⁓ I think of Betsy as really a living case study in ecosystem leadership. ⁓ I would call, I would say to, you know, institutional reinvention and really an example of how CEOs make really hard calls. m1 jeremie: Fabulous example of how this has been done in the real world ⁓ multiple times over. ⁓ in fact, when I think about Betsy Ziegler, who was the CEO of 1871 and our dear guest and our dear friend, ⁓ I think of Betsy as really a living case study in ecosystem leadership. ⁓ I would call I would say to, you know, institutional reinvention and really an example of how CEOs make really hard calls. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 gary: Thank m1 jeremie: when their model no longer works or have to make those really hard calls when the model no longer works and then lead a in an organization to transition. So it's gonna be fun to hear about this today from Betsy and ⁓ so glad you're with us. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: when their model no longer works or have to make those really hard calls when the model no longer works and then lead a in an organization to transition. So it's gonna be fun to hear about this today from Betsy and ⁓ so glad you're with us. m1 gary: Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'll just say before she jumps on, know, ⁓ first time found you here when I started Reaply and I, you know, but now that I've been in the game and seen what's happening in Chicago, it's pretty clear to me, like every ecosystem needs a Betsy. You know, whether it's academic wide or whether it's a city wide one, you need people who can connect the powerful to the people looking up. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I'll just say before she jumps on, you know, ⁓ first time founder here, ⁓ when I started Replay, and I you know, but now that I've been in the game and seen what's happening in Chicago, it's pretty clear to me like every ecosystem needs a Betsy. You know, whether it's a academic one or whether it's a city wide one. ⁓ you you need people who can connect the powerful to the people looking up and m1 gary: and people who can share the same passion and vision as those who are building. And so really excited to get her thoughts on how she got to where she is. Betsy is both a noun and riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: the and people who can share the same passion and division as those who are who are building. ⁓ and so really excited to get her thoughts and how she got to where she is. But you know, Betsy is both a noun and and verb in my life and so really excited to to have her. m1 gary: in my life, and so really excited that it's happening. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm-hmm. m1 jeremie: Betsy, you're the best. Hi. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Betsy, you're the best. Hi. ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Hey m1 gary: Hey! riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm-hmm. Hey everybody. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: It's great to great to have you here. Thanks for joining us, Betsy. It's super fun. Super fun. So why don't we do this? Why don't you give us the three and a half second, just kidding, the three minute version of your history. How'd you get to where you are? Let's go back a little bit in time and ⁓ catch up. m1 betsy: Hey everybody. m1 jeremie: It's great to great to have you here. Thanks for joining us, Betsy. It's super fun. Super fun. So why don't we do this? Why don't you give us the three and a half second, just kidding, the three minute version of your history. How'd you get to where you are? Let's go back a little bit in time and ⁓ catch up. m1 gary: you m1 betsy: Yeah. Okay. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. m1 betsy: First of all, thank you for the very kind introduction. Happy to spend my afternoon with the two of you, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: First all, thank you for the very kind introduction. Happy to spend my afternoon with the two of you, m1 betsy: two of my favorite people. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: two of my favorite people. ⁓ the the synthesis of my whole career, ⁓ at least the last thirty years, is that ⁓ every day I get to wake in service of helping somebody else be ⁓ the last eight years I've been the CEO of eighteen seventy one. I ⁓ moved into that role. m1 betsy: ⁓ the the synthesis of my whole career, ⁓ at least the last 30 years, is that ⁓ every day I get to wake up in service of helping somebody else be successful. ⁓ the eight years I've been the CEO of eighteen seventy one. ⁓ I ⁓ moved into that role. From my leadership at Northwestern at in the Kellogg School of Management, where I was most recently the chief innovation officer, and before that the associate dean of MBA programs and dean of students. ⁓ I got to that role after a year of traveling around the globe and thinking hard, following an almost 13-year ⁓ experien ⁓ experience at McKinsey, where I was a partner in the insurance and financial services practice. So, like, you know, like riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: From my leadership at Northwestern at in the Kellogg School of Management, where I was most recently the chief innovation officer, and before that the associate dean of MBA programs and dean of students. ⁓ I got to that role after a year of traveling around the globe and thinking hard, following an almost 13-year ⁓ experien ⁓ experience at McKinsey, where I was a partner in the insurance and financial services practice. So, like, you know, like. m1 betsy: doesn't connect at all to higher ed, doesn't connect at all to ⁓ you know, ecosystem leadership as you've talked about, but we'll talk about reinvention. And I I think the the inflection point for me really was in 2009 when the crisis hit and I was serving these life insurance companies and I was feeling really stuck and in a little box. And I took out my laptop and I wrote down the 40 things I wanted to do by the time I was 40. I was 37 at the time and about three months shy of turning 38. And just that riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: doesn't connect at all to higher ed, doesn't connect at all to ⁓ you know, ecosystem leadership as you've talked about. But we'll talk about reinvention. And I I think the the inflection point for me really was in 2009 when the crisis hit and I was serving these life insurance companies and I was feeling really stuck and in a little box. And I took out my laptop and I wrote down the 40 things I wanted to do by the time I was 40. I was 37 at the time and about ⁓ three months shy of turning 38. And just that riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: simple act completely changed my orientation of how I viewed my my life and my career and my my view of ownership and what it means to live a full and happy life. And ⁓ and and so from that point on, right, the whole my the whole mindset shifted. m1 betsy: simple act completely changed my orientation of how I viewed my my life and my career and my my view of ownership and what it means to live a full and happy life. And ⁓ and and so from that point on, right, the whole my the whole mindset shifted. m1 jeremie: Which super cool. At some point, ⁓ I wanna read that list. If I'm assuming you still have it, it's gotta be in your special memory book somewhere, but riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Which is super cool. At some point, ⁓ I wanna read that list. If I'm assuming you still have it, it's gotta be in your special memory book somewhere, but m1 betsy: Yeah, sure. I do. And then I did fifty by fifty and sadly now I'm on sixty by sixty. Of course I keep changing the number. You don't have to do you know, it's my choice to keep growing it. But ⁓ yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, sure. I do. And then I did fifty by fifty and sadly now I'm on sixty by sixty. Of course I keep changing the number. You don't have to do you know, it's my choice to keep growing it, but ⁓ yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. m1 gary: Thank riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Sure. m1 gary: Yeah, it's an interesting thing we humans do is like, ⁓ now that I'm older, let me add 10 more. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. It's the it's the interesting it's the interesting thing we humans do is like, ⁓ now that I'm older, let me add ten more. You know m1 betsy: Yeah. Right. And it's you know exactly. And none of them were about work, you know, just to be clear. So I'm happy to share the list of future date, but like none of none of them about work was about about I you know, my biggest fear is to to not be an interesting like to to not be interesting to myself. And ⁓ and you know, and so that's part of the inspiration of it. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Right. And you know exactly. And none of them were about work, you know, just to be clear. So I'm happy to share the list of future date, but like none of none of ⁓ about work was about about I you know, my biggest fear is to to not be an interesting like to to not be interesting to myself. And and you know, and so that's part of the inspiration of it. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Right. Totally. I know I'm looking forward to my one twenty by one twenty. That's gonna be great. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. m1 jeremie: Right, totally. I know I'm looking forward to my one twenty by one twenty. That's gonna be great. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. m1 gary: You riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Well it ⁓ m1 jeremie: Well d riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm. Mm-hmm. m1 jeremie: It's great. It's great. Well, what's been super fun that ⁓ so we got to know each other I riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: It's great. It's great. Well, what's been super fun that ⁓ so we got to know each other I didn't get I wasn't lucky enough to really get to know you well until 2019. ⁓ and that's when we really first started to interact, ⁓ because of some of the work that we got a chance to do together. But you've been with eighteen seventy one now for quite a while ⁓ and have led it through some really, really interesting times and some really challenging times. ⁓ maybe why we jump straight into the fun the fun problems, issues, challenges ⁓ m1 jeremie: didn't get I wasn't lucky enough to really get to know you well until 2019. ⁓ and that's when we really first started to interact, ⁓ because of some of the work that we got the chance to do together. But you've been with eighteen seventy one now for quite a while ⁓ and have led it through some really, really interesting times and some really challenging times. ⁓ maybe why we jump straight into the fun the fun problems, issues, challenges. ⁓ That you've had to tackle in in in your role as CEO of eighteen seventy one, transitioning as you did from academia academic leadership into civic leadership. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: That you've had to tackle in in in your role as CEO of eighteen seventy one, transitioning as you did from academia, academic leadership into civic leadership. m1 betsy: So I think the transition f as a leader wasn't as difficult, both nonprofit orientations, both mission driven, both large communities of people, you know, as the dean of students. I think I think when the group was interviewing me, they loved that sort of dean of students persona kind of theme. So I I think that riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: So I think the transition f as a leader wasn't as difficult, both nonprofit orientations, both mission driven, both large communities of people, you know, as the dean of students. I think I think when the group was interviewing me, they loved that sort of dean of students persona kind of theme. So I I think that riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Mm-hmm. m1 betsy: leadership, like ⁓ you riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: leadership, like ⁓ you m1 betsy: know, how I spend my day and how I invest time in in teams and now entrepreneurs and other people in the community is a akin. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: know, how I spend my day and how I invest time in in teams and now entrepreneurs and people in the community is a akin. m1 betsy: ⁓ to students. I think the big I think there was some big like business structure challenges that really have tested me, frankly, over the last ⁓ the last eight years. So it was less about like how I show up and how I have impact in that kind of setting, but more about what problems am I facing now that I didn't that have never faced before. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ to students. I think the big I think there was some big like business structure challenges that really have tested me, frankly, over the last ⁓ last eight years. So it was less about like how I show up and how I have impact in that kind of setting, but more about what problems am I facing now that I didn't that have never faced before. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Sure. Well, and some of those well, the the one that comes to mind for me most is, you know, when you when you think when people that know eighteen seventy one as an organization, think back to its origins, it was all about the merchandise markets, this place to come together. And obviously that's a model that stopped working for lots of different reasons. Let's unpack that a little bit because I th I've always viewed eighteen seventy one as way more than real estate. Maybe that's because I was doing other stuff in the ecosystem. m1 jeremie: Sure. Well, and some of those well, the the one that comes to mind for me most is, you know, when you when you think when people that know eighteen seventy one as an organization, think back to its origins, it was all about the merchandise markets, this place to come together. And obviously that's a model that stopped working, for lots of different reasons. Let's unpack that a little bit because I th I've always viewed eighteen seventy one as way more than real estate. Maybe that's because I was doing other stuff in the ecosystem m1 betsy: Yeah. Correct. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Correct. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: along the way and I and I knew what you were doing, what we were doing. It was all very interesting stuff. But I think there's always been this sort of like thought that, ⁓ 1871's a place to go work as a founder or whatever. And that's not at all what 1871's ever been. how as a CEO or as a leader or civic and otherwise, how do you deal with like that misperception and misconception in the market? Because 1871, pre under your leadership, you've taken it way beyond Chicago. mean, this is an international thing at this point. And I think that's something that that the world needs to know. m1 jeremie: along the way and I and I knew what you were doing, what we were doing. It was all very interesting stuff. But I think there's always been this sort of like thought that, ⁓ eighteen seventy one's a place to go work as a founder or whatever. And that's not at all what eighteen seventy one's ever been. ⁓ how d as a CEO or as a leader or civic and otherwise, how do you deal with like that misperception and misconception in the market? Because eighteen seventy one, particularly under your leadership, you've taken it way beyond Chicago. I mean this is an international thing at this point. And I think that's something that that the world needs to know. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Right. Okay. Yeah. So when I first started, m1 betsy: Yeah. So when I first started, the the model of eighteen seventy-one was very much a real estate model. Started in twenty twelve, roughly the same time of a we work, same kind of concept in terms of ⁓ access to space and paying for offices or open co-working. Which to your point, Jeremy, like it was like one of the perks of being a member, but it wasn't riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: the the model of 1871 was much a real estate model. Started in 2012, roughly the same time of a work, same kind of concept in terms of ⁓ access to space and paying for offices or open co-working. Which to your point, Jeremy, like it was like one of the perks of being a member, but it wasn't m1 betsy: It wasn't the core of the mission of what 1871 was. And so from the minute I got there, I felt a bit of a conflict between delivering on the mission and paying the rent bill. ⁓ to the point where like every day I would walk in, ⁓ there'd be Rhonda, who you both know, they would have a set of pamphlets on the desk that advertised access to fax machines and like things like don't we don't even use anymore and coffee and like nothing about how we help other people. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: It wasn't the core of the mission of what 1871 was. And so from the minute I got there, I felt a bit of a conflict between delivering on the mission and paying the rent bill. ⁓ to the point where like every day I would walk in, there'd be Rhonda, who you both know, they would have a set of pamphlets on the desk that advertised access to fax machines and like things like don't we don't even use anymore and coffee and like nothing about how we help other people. m1 betsy: people be successful and only about the physical riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: people be successful and only about the physical m1 betsy: access. And the pressure riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: access. And the pressure riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Mm-hmm. m1 betsy: of paying a fairly large, you know, having 125,000 square feet and needing like the number one metric that the the that many people on the board cared about was how, you know, how full was it? Again, because it funded the business. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: of paying a fairly large, you know, having 125,000 square feet and needing like the number one metric that the the that many people on the board cared about was how, you know, how full was it? Again, because it funded the business. m1 betsy: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ m1 betsy: when the pandemic hit, obviously that changed immediately. And then that allowed our mission to take the lead because the model riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: when the pandemic hit, obviously that changed immediately. And then that allowed our mission to take the lead because the model m1 betsy: didn't work anymore, right? The model wasn't funding the business the same way that it was before. And to be clear, we're a 501c3 nonprofit, but we weren't g we weren't we don't we don't get any external ⁓ money from the state or the federal government. So we have to like, you know, survive on our own bottom. And that that pandemic shift where on March 12th we went virtual, ⁓ and ⁓ was I think where riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: didn't work anymore, right? The model wasn't funding the business the same way that it was before. And to be clear, we're a five ⁓ one C three nonprofit, but it we weren't g we weren't we don't we don't get any external ⁓ money from the state or the federal government. So we have to like, you know, survive on our own bottom. And that that pandemic shift where on March twelfth we went virtual, ⁓ and ⁓ was I think where m1 betsy: at least my team and the and the near in community understood that we were more than just a place. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: at least my team and the and the near in community understood that we were more than just a place. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I just Yeah, that w when when the real value of the of the platform became recognizable, right? For sure. m1 jeremie: Yeah, that w when when the real value of the of the platform became recognizable, right? For sure. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: But they couldn't access they couldn't access the other part. And so what you know, what are we? And frankly, our membership grew during that first couple of years of the pandemic. ⁓ to your point earlier, Jeremy, we we have members now from all over the United States and all over the globe because we created that that access for them. m1 betsy: 'Cause they couldn't access they couldn't access the other part. And so what you know, what are we? And frankly our membership grew during that first couple of years of the pandemic. ⁓ to your point earlier, Jeremy, we we have members now from all over the United States and all over the globe because we created that that access for them. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: For sure. That's aw and then along the w ⁓ sorry, Gary, go ahead. m1 jeremie: For sure. That's all. Well and then along the w ⁓ sorry, Gary, go ahead. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I was curious, Betsy, even before before the pandemic, you know, even knowing kind of like maybe in your gut, like, ooh, I'm trying to make, you know, humans and companies successful, especially in the region, maybe have a broader view outside the region. ⁓ but my core business model, the core way that we're keeping the doors open is to have doors, right? I wonder even before the pandemic, you know, what were some of the things that you were thinking about doing to m1 gary: I was curious, Betsy, even before the pandemic, even knowing kind of like maybe in your gut, like, ooh, I'm trying to make humans and companies successful, especially in the region, maybe have a broader view outside the region. But my core business model, the core way that we're keeping the doors open is to have doors, right? I wonder even before the pandemic, what were some of the things that you were thinking about doing to potentially evolve the organization, if any. And then obviously the pandemic was kind of a shock, but I curious, were there already things that you were thinking about? riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: potentially evolve the organization, if any. ⁓ and then obviously the pandemic was kind of a shock, but just curious, was were there already things that you were thinking about? m1 betsy: Yeah, I think there were two or three things, ⁓ one ⁓ one or two of them which were put into riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, I think there were two or three things, ⁓ one ⁓ one or two of them which were put into m1 betsy: practice. ⁓ One was how do we tell our story and how do we talk about who we are in the world how do how do I show up in that particular way? ⁓ as the third CEO of 1871, the my my predecessors are amazing. They've you know, we're all three very different people, but very ⁓ committed, you know, to the to the to the ⁓ to eighteen seventy one. So I think the first one really riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: practice. ⁓ One was how do we tell our story and how do we talk about who we are in the world how do how do I show up in that particular way? ⁓ as the third CEO of 1871. The my my predecessors are amazing. They've you know, we're all three very different people, but very ⁓ committed, you know, to the to the to the ⁓ to eighteen seventy one. So I think the first one really about telling the story and making it really about impact and making sure that like we've got the data to do that. And ⁓ my gosh, wow, we've got, you know, hundreds and hundreds of companies that have created jobs and m1 betsy: about telling the story and making it really about impact and making sure that like we've got the data to do that. And ⁓ my gosh, wow, we've got, you know, hundreds and hundreds of companies that have created jobs and changed the world in riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: changed the world in positive ways and, you know, continue to scale. And ⁓ we I don't think we were I think that was an opportunity for us that we re that I really tried to lean into. The second one was we used to have kind of a a ⁓ view of membership that you had to be within 40 miles of m1 betsy: positive ways and, you know, continue to scale. And ⁓ we I don't think we were I think that was an opportunity for us that we real that I really tried to lean into. The second one was we used to have kind of a a ⁓ view of membership that you had to be within 40 miles of riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: downtown Chicago for m1 betsy: Downtown Chicago for riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: you for it to be relevant. And so we had m1 betsy: you for it to be relevant. And so we had riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: created a virtual membership approach before the before we even knew that the pandemic could be a thing. We m1 betsy: created a virtual membership approach before the before we even knew that the pandemic could be a thing. We riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: didn't put it into m1 betsy: didn't put it into riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: action, but we we had done the thinking on it, which it allowed us to ⁓ to pivot fast. That was coupled with a complete ⁓ reor reorientation of the curricular experience and the and how how the mentors fit in and ⁓ m1 betsy: action, but we we had done the thinking on it, which it allowed us to ⁓ to pivot fast. That was coupled with a complete ⁓ reor reorientation of the curricular experience and the and how how the mentors fit in and Who do we have as entrepreneurs and residents? And what does it really mean to swarm an early, you know, a person with an idea, an early stage founder with the resources ⁓ that we need? You know, we reinvented all of that through the people that I ⁓ brought onto the team. I think the the biggest conflict that showed up in those early days, particularly with members of my team, were choices that we were making on who we allowed in the space to do events. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Who do we have as entrepreneurs and residents? And what does it really mean to swarm an early, you know, a person with an idea, an early stage founder with the resources that we need? You know, we reinvented all of that through the people that I brought on to the team. I think the the biggest conflict that showed up in those early days, particularly with members of my team, were choices that we were making on who we allowed in the space to do events. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah, yeah, yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And like so m1 betsy: And like so riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: much of the orientation. ⁓ m1 betsy: much of the orientation. of the work being on events, whether they were connected to, you know, innovation or technology or entrepreneurship or not, but they were paying some amount of money to be in our auditorium. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: of the work being on events, whether they were connected to, you know, innovation or technology or entrepreneurship or not, but they were paying some amount of money to be in our auditorium. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. m1 betsy: And it was riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And it was like it kind of like, we've got all these people that are trying to work here, but we s you know, by accident turned into an entrepreneurial petting zoo. And that's like that doesn't help anybody. m1 betsy: like it kind of like, Well, got all these people that are trying to work here, but we s you know, by accident turned ourselves an entrepreneurial petting zoo. And that's like that doesn't help anybody. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Well, as I say, that's exactly right. And that ends up becoming a you know, that that that is very easy to see as a ⁓ as an Achilles heel for an in hindsight, right? ⁓ you know, ⁓ is which was something that was always interesting to me coming and participating and seeing stuff there. But like what's amazing is I think there there was for me for a very long time until I got to know the business well. m1 jeremie: As I say, that's exactly right. And that ends up becoming a, you know, that that that is very easy to see as a ⁓ as an Achilles heel for an in hindsight, right? ⁓ you know, which is which was something that was always interesting to me coming and participating and seeing stuff there. But like what's amazing is I think there there was for me for a very long time until I got to know the business well, ⁓ you know, there was this perception that 1871 was just for m1 betsy: Yeah, for sure. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, for sure. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ you know, there was this perception that eighteen seventy one was just for m1 jeremie: startups, just for founders, just for guys and gals and people with an idea and nothing else. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: startups, just for founders, just for guys and gals and people with an idea and nothing else. And then it wasn't until I engaged personally with the community that I was, well, actually, hold on a second. Like, no, there is something for every stage of company at at 1871, from the materials to the opportunities to the connections, literally from the person with the idea sitting in their garage thinking, Hey, I'd like to I'd like to network with some folks that can help me out and find some mentors, to the Fortune five hundred, where we have a riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Yeah. m1 jeremie: And then it wasn't until I engaged personally with the community that I realized, well, actually hold on a second. Like, no, there is something for every stage of company at 1871, from the materials to the opportunities to the connections, literally from the person with the idea sitting in their garage thinking, hey, I'd like to I'd like to network with some folks that can help me out and find some mentors to the Fortune 500, where we have a huge percentage of the membership at 1871 or Fortune 500, Fortune 50, Fortune 10 companies, all the way down to the little tiny, you know, one person startups. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: huge percentage of the membership in eighteen seventy one or Fortune five hundred, Fortune fifty, Fortune ten companies, all the way down to the little tiny, you know, one person startups. I mean I think I I'll get these numbers wrong because you obviously know them better than riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. m1 jeremie: I mean I think I I'll get these numbers wrong 'cause you obviously know them better than riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Really. m1 jeremie: I do, but as I recall, in since eighteen seventy one's founding, like seventeen unicorns have come out of eighteen seventy one and like three and a half or four billion dollars of of f of venture funding, ⁓ and tens of and tens of thousands of jobs have been created. So it's been a really interesting thing across the whole spectrum of startup through to like late stage ⁓ company, which is amazing. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I do, but as I recall, in the since eighteen seventy one's founding, like seventeen unicorns have come of eighteen seventy one and like three and a half or four billion dollars of of f of venture funding. ⁓ and tens of and tens of thousands of jobs have been created. So it's been a really interesting thing across the whole spectrum of startup through to like late stage ⁓ company, which is amazing. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, I would just ⁓ one little edit on the numbers. ⁓ m1 betsy: Yeah, I would just ⁓ one little edit on the numbers. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: 17 m1 betsy: seventeen m1 jeremie: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: unicor 17 unicorns have been part of the membership. m1 betsy: unic seventeen unicorns have been part of the membership. Some of those riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Some of those riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Okay. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: joined after they were you know already started. So we don't take credit for anyone that didn't spend their at least a couple months of their earliest time with us. m1 betsy: joined after they were you know already started. So we don't take credit for anyone that didn't spend their at least a couple months of their earliest time with us. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Sure, makes sense. m1 betsy: So the seventeen riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: So the 17 m1 betsy: number is right, but but not all of them ⁓ had their initial start with us. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: number is right, but but not all of them ⁓ had their initial start with us. And then ⁓ Yeah, exactly. m1 betsy: And then ⁓ Yeah, exactly. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: They weren't sitting at a desk in front of your office saying, Okay, here's my billion dollar idea. Yeah. m1 jeremie: They weren't sitting at a desk in front of your office saying, Okay, here's my billion dollar idea. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. And m1 betsy: And the and the venture number now as of a couple of weeks ago is seven billion. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: the and the venture number now as of a couple of weeks ago is seven billion. m1 jeremie: Amazing. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Amazing. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: So ⁓ m1 betsy: So ⁓ and and just just north of twenty thousand jobs. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: and and just just north of twenty thousand jobs. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Which is cool. And I mean, I was on the phone earlier today with a with a with a company in in San Francisco. and they were talking about eighteen seventy one. Right. So again, like this this m1 jeremie: Which is cool. And I mean, I was on the phone earlier today with a with a with a company in in San Francisco. and they were talking about eighteen seventy one, right? So again, like this this riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: this stretch is not just not just Chicago. It's great. ⁓ So m1 jeremie: this stretch is not just not just Chicago, it's great. So riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, cool. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ I I say that only 'cause I think like, you know, you don't lead a business, like you lead a symbol. ⁓ And m1 jeremie: ⁓ I I I say that only 'cause I think like, you know, you don't lead a business, like you lead a symbol. ⁓ I'm riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: curious, is that a privilege or a burden, or just like a super efficient way for you to get to blame you get you m1 jeremie: curious, is that a privilege or a burden, or just like a super efficient way for you to get to blame you get you like capture blame for everything that ⁓ that's happening in the world? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: like capture blame for everything that ⁓ that's happening in the world. m1 betsy: Yeah. I I really riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. I I really m1 betsy: like that frame. I haven't I don't think we've you've said that in to me before, but I like I like that. ⁓ I think for the most part it's a privilege. I think for the most part it's privilege. I think th there are ⁓ moments that riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: like that frame. I haven't I don't think we've you've said that in to me before, but I like I like that. ⁓ I think for the most part it's a privilege. I think for the most part it's privilege. I think th there are ⁓ moments that m1 betsy: And particularly over the last, you know, twelve to fifteen months, ⁓ that it's that there's it's been harder than than in other moments. And that and and and that and as you got both know, in February of 25, I announced that we were leaving our inaugural home, which as we talked about before, people put so much value riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And particularly over the last, you know, twelve to fifteen months, ⁓ that it's that there's it's been harder than than in other moments. And that and and and that and as you got both know, in February of twenty-five, I announced that we were leaving our inaugural home, which as we talked about before, people put so much value m1 betsy: in in place. ⁓ that that that ⁓ that many, you know, people read the first two sentences of the riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: in in place, ⁓ that that that ⁓ that many, you know, people read the first two sentences of the riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: the release and not not not the whole thing. And so m1 betsy: release and not not not the whole thing. And so riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: for the last year I've had to ⁓ spend more time making sure that that symbol hasn't hasn't lost kind of its luster or shine that people understand that we're still doing what we've always done. In fact we're probably doing even better. m1 betsy: for the last year I've had to ⁓ spend more time making sure that that symbol hasn't hasn't lost kind of its luster or shine that people understand that we're still doing what we've always done. In fact we're probably doing even better. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Okay. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ m1 gary: R.A.Y. m1 betsy: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: but it's but it's a different it's it's a different experience. m1 betsy: but it's but it's a different it's it's a different experience. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Totally. m1 gary: I riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I mean, as a person who literally, you know, day couple, you know, two or three, you know, Reefly was in 1871 from our founding. m1 gary: mean, as a person who literally, you know, day couple two or three, ⁓ know, briefly was in 1871 from our founding. ⁓ And ⁓ we, you know, I first met Betsy, ⁓ we, I think got into this program riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ and ⁓ we, you know, I first met Betsy. ⁓ We I think luckily got into this program m1 gary: called AMP Advanced Member Program. And riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: called the AMP Advanced Member Program. And as ⁓ the the the former CEO ⁓ m1 gary: as ⁓ the former CEO ⁓ left, the new CEO came in, I remember, know, ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I left the new CEO came and I remember, you know, ⁓ Betsy, you in that ⁓ in that session and you were, you know, t introducing yourself and kind of talking about like what you hoped 1871 would be under your leadership. ⁓ I actually as a person who been paying a membership for almost a decade, though there was the place to merchandise bar, I always thought that that was kind of a vehicle for community. m1 gary: Betsy, you in that session and you were introducing yourself and kind of talking about what you hoped 1871 would be under your leadership. ⁓ I actually, as a person who had been paying a membership for almost a decade, though there was a place to merchandise my art, I always thought that that was kind of a vehicle for community. It's like, we're here so I can commune with you. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Right. It's like, we're here so I can commune with you. But I m1 gary: But I riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: think part of the lesson from COVID was we have to figure out how to like broadband community. Like it can't just be in a place. And so I guess like as you think about well, one do you how do you think about this sense of community and what 1871 is doing? But then as you think about post-COVID and some of the things that have happened m1 gary: think part of the lesson from COVID was we had to figure out how to like broadband community. Like it can't just be in a place. And so I guess like, ⁓ you about, ⁓ well, how do you think about this sense of community and what 1871 is doing? But then as you think about post COVID and some of the things that have happened that you've had to face as a business, and you talked about the movement 2025 announcement, how do you thought about kind of riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: that you've had to face as a business and you talked about the movement twenty twenty-five announcement. Have you thought about kind of keeping and stealing this kind of sense of community, no matter where Ed G seventy one is? m1 gary: keeping and stealing this kind of sense of community no matter where EDG71 is. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, I think it's a a great question. first of all, the magic of eighteen seventy-one has always been and will always be the people. and that that group of people continues to grow and expand and you know reach almost every corner of of the earth. ⁓ I think we think about community not just about, you know, having people in the same physical space or on a virtual screen or but it's a group of people that are actually invested in helping other people be m1 betsy: Yeah, I think it's a a great question. first of all, the magic of eighteen seventy-one has always been and will always be the people. and that that group of people continues to grow and expand and, you know, reach almost every corner of of the earth. ⁓ I think we think about community not just about, you know, having people in the same physical space or on a virtual screen or but it's a group of people that are actually invested in helping other people be riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ successful. The sort of the the philosophy that a win for one is a is a win for everyone. And and I I go I on orientation every Monday I tell the new folks that are coming in that it's my expectation that they're gonna make us better. Us defined as it could be my team, could be me, could be the community writ large, but like they they have you know you're gonna get what you give and in this case give into this group of m1 betsy: ⁓ successful. The sort the the philosophy that a win for one is a is a win for everyone. And and I I go I on orientation every Monday, I tell the new folks that are coming in that it's my expectation that they're gonna make us better. Us defined as it could be my team, could be me, could be the community writ large, but like they they have you know you're gonna get what you give and in this case give into this group of Of people agnostic of where they are convening. For the last year, we have shown up, ⁓ our events have actually been more oversold in the last 12, 13 months than they were in the previous couple of years. We've shown up all over the city ⁓ in different locations, which I think has been fun for everybody. and and then I think back to the comment that Jeremy you were making that that we that we follow that whole maturity curve, like in theory. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Of people agnostic of where they are convening. For the last year, we have shown up. Our events have actually been more oversold in the last 12, 13 months than they were in the previous couple years. We've shown up all over the city in different locations, which I think has been fun for everybody. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. Mm. m1 betsy: you you never have to be an alum. Like the the idea of being an alum doesn't really exist in theory because you know you're an idea and then you, you know, over whatever period of time you become an enterprise player. But how do we how do we with like really deep intentionality to you know create those rooms so that we have so that something important happens. Again, like it's not an activity. It's it's you know, and I I think there's a lot of riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: you you never have to be an alum. Like the the idea of being an alum doesn't really exist in theory because you know you're an idea and then you you know over whatever period of time you become an enterprise player. But how do we how do we with like really deep intentionality to you know create those rooms so that we have so that something important happens. Again, like it's not an activity. It's it's you know and I I think there's a lot of riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. Right. ⁓ m1 betsy: A lot of entrepreneurs get invited to a lot of things to spend a lot of time on that may not be value added to the business, might be important for them as a human, like to have fun and be you know, be connected. But we're trying to make more of those rooms and opportunities such that those connections can change the trajectory of the of the founder that's participating. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: A lot of entrepreneurs get invited to a lot of things to spend a lot of time on that may not be value added to the business, might be important for them as a human, like to have fun and be you know, be connected. But we're trying to make more of those rooms and opportunities such that those connections can change the trajectory of the of the founder that's participating. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I actually want to ask a sort of a bit of a follow-on to that. So ⁓ again, the ⁓ majority of the folks that well, not the majority, lots of the folks that Gary and I talk with every single day through our work ⁓ are people that are thinking about starting something or they've recognized that they're not necessarily the founder type, but they but they are a fabulous operator who wants to be involved as a co-founder or be the first operations or VP of finance or whatever for m1 jeremie: I actually want to ask a sort of a bit of a follow on to that. So, ⁓ again, the ⁓ majority of the folks that well, not the majority, lots of the folks that Gary and I talk with every single day through our work, ⁓ are people that are thinking about starting something or they've recognized that they're not necessarily the founder type, but they but they are a fabulous operator who wants to be involved as a co founder or be the first operations or VP of finance or whatever for riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: a company, right? And work into the C suite. ⁓ m1 jeremie: a company, right? And work into the C suite. m1 betsy: Yep. Yep. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yep. Yep. m1 jeremie: So and obviously you say it every day because you get I mean they're riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: So and obviously you say it every day because you get, I mean, there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of members ⁓ and new companies that are forming all the time and walk in India, and I'd imagine that you see a bunch of super ambitious operators that walk in the door and say, Hey, I've got this idea. but they've never had a C suite title and they've never done the thing, whether it's CRO or CEO, right? But so, you know, what do you think? m1 jeremie: Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of members and new companies that are forming all the time and walk in and deal and I'd imagine that you see a bunch of super ambitious operators that walk in the door and say, Hey, I've got this idea. but they've never had a C-suite title and they've never done the thing, ⁓ whether it's CRO or CEO, right? But so, you know, what do you think, what do you think like ambitious operators need to learn before? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: What do you think like ambitious operators need to learn before they get before they put that C suite title on their founder's business card and and start going? Not after they've already accidentally set the building on fire, right? It's 'cause they've already jumped, right? m1 jeremie: they get before they put that C suite title on their founder's business card, and and start going. Not after they've already accidentally set the building on fire, right? It's 'cause they've already jumped, right? m1 betsy: Yeah, I think first of all, I think titles are titles and you can be a leader in like in in lots of different ways. Of course, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, I think first of all, I think titles are titles and you can be a leader in like in in lots of different ways. Of course, I think we all agree m1 betsy: I think we all agree riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Total. m1 jeremie: Totally. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: that. ⁓ I think ⁓ what I see most often ⁓ are people ⁓ i ⁓ in that regard, like been an been an operator, have an operator's mindset, they're so focused on on ⁓ the solution and not actually on the m1 betsy: that. ⁓ I think w ⁓ What I see most often are people in that regard, like been in been an operator, have an operator's mindset. They're so focused on on ⁓ the solution and not actually on the problem. And they have riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And they have a m1 betsy: a hard time defining like core problem why that problem might matter. So I think there's a bit of like, you know, myopic thinking like, I'm just gonna create this. So I've had number of people that's cut show up and they're like, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna build this app. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: hard time defining like the core problem and why that problem might matter. So I think there's a bit of like, you know, myopic thinking of like, I'm just gonna create this. So I've had number of people that's cut show up and they're like, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna build this app to solve this problem and I need money right now to build this app. And they haven't thought about you know, anything. They haven't thought about ⁓ what talent needs to surround them, they haven't thought about what the what you know customer journey is, what the m1 betsy: To solve this problem and I need money right now to build this app. And they haven't thought about, you know, anything. They haven't thought about ⁓ what talent needs to surround them. They haven't thought about what the what you know customer journey is, what the what the value proposition might be. They've just decided that this is the thing that they're ⁓ gonna do and kind of you know run after. So, you know, my view, I think it's less about like functional exposure and more about being able to take a step back and really think about. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: What the value proposition might be. They've just decided that this is the thing that they're ⁓ gonna do and kind of you know run after. So, you know, my view, I think it's less about like functional exposure and more about being able to take a step back and really think about ⁓ communicating what problem you're solving, why it matters in the world, and be have enough, you know, you don't have to be an extrovert, but have enough passion. m1 betsy: ⁓ communicating what problem you're solving, why it matters in the world, and be have enough you know, you don't have to be an extrovert, but have enough passion, energy, you know, proof that you're gonna run through walls and do it to to bring the best people ⁓ around you to to bring it to life. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: energy, you know, proof that you're gonna run through walls to do it to to bring the best people ⁓ around you to to bring it to life. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 gary: Thank m1 jeremie: Yeah, get the customer discovery done before you show up at my doorstep, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, get the customer discovery done before you show up at my doorstep, please. ⁓ Yeah, right, ⁓ for sure. ⁓ m1 jeremie: please. ⁓ Yeah, right. ⁓ For sure. ⁓ m1 betsy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Does anybody riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Does anybody m1 betsy: you know, and I think you have to be on that one specifically, like you have to be able to talk to people who where where they're allowed to say that, you know, you have an ugly baby. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: you know, and I think you have to be on that one specifically, like you have to be able to talk to people who where where they're allowed to say that, you know, you have an ugly baby. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. m1 gary: Mm-hmm. m1 betsy: Like it's you know, it's riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Like it's you know, it's riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: No worry. m1 betsy: you like you can't just like, you know, talk to your mom riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: you like you can't just like you know, talk to your mom riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Okay. m1 betsy: or your riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: or your your brother who who, m1 betsy: or your brother who who, you know, like instinctively is gonna say positive things. I'm not sure my brother would, he's a pretty critical thinker, but like but you know, in general. ⁓ and riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: you know, like instinctively is gonna say positive things. I'm not sure my brother would, he's a pretty critical thinker, but like but you know, in general. ⁓ and m1 betsy: And and I think that people are afraid of that, right? They don't want they don't wanna share that with people 'cause they're afraid that somebody's gonna say something negative riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And and I think that people are afraid of that, right? They don't want they don't wanna share that with people 'cause they're afraid that somebody's gonna say something negative m1 betsy: to them. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: to them. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, totally. m1 jeremie: Totally. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: yeah, Betsy, I want your thoughts about, you know, when I think about titling, you know, C-suite, ⁓ or not in the C-suite, you know, ⁓ can view that as an exercise of resume building. m1 gary: know, Betsy, I want your thoughts about, you know, when I think about titling, you know, C-suite ⁓ or not in the C-suite, you know, ⁓ can view that as an exercise of resume building, riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: But ⁓ I want your thoughts on this, which is ⁓ I actually think it's about what responsibility are you willing to stomach and your ⁓ of how to execute. m1 gary: I want your thoughts on this, which is, ⁓ I actually think it's about what responsibility are you willing to stomach and your vision of how execute. You know, so what I think about in kind of C-suite titling is like, that person right there is responsible to do something, right? Whether it gets done or not, the quality is not, that's another question. But there's a sense of, I'm gonna sweep the floors, I'm gonna create the strategic plan, I'm gonna commute this, and then I'm sweep the floors again. And especially in your job at 18, setting like, you talk a little bit about like, riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: You know, so what I think about in in kind of C-suite titling is like that person right there is responsible of to do something, right? Whether it gets done or not, or the quality is not, that's another question. But there's this sense of I'ma sweep the floors, I'ma create the strategic plan, I'ma commute the community, and then I'm gonna sweep the floors again. And especially in your job at 1871, can you talk a little bit about like riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ja m1 gary: you know, compared to your customers that used to serve at McKinsey who might have a C-suite title riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: You know, compared to your customers that used to serve at McKinsey, who might have a C-suite title, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: and m1 gary: you riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: you m1 gary: having a C-suite title, like you think about like that kind of responsibility execution that a little bit or kind of unfurled that a little bit. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: having a C-suite title, like you think about like that kind of responsibility execution bit a little bit or kind of unfurled it a little bit. m1 betsy: Yeah. I mean I think I think the ⁓ probably the most important thing for me once I after I hire somebody is their, you know, their ownership and their view of accountability. And my some some people on my team have more autonomy than others. That makes some the people that have less makes sometimes them frustrated. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, I mean I think I think the ⁓ probably the most important thing for me once I after I hire somebody is their, you know, their ownership and their view of accountability. And my some some people on my team have more autonomy than others. That makes some the people that have less makes sometimes them frustrated. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm. m1 gary: BOOM m1 betsy: But they they have to earn the right to have so the you know, the more aligned we are, the more autonomous they they get. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: But they they have to earn the right to have so the you know the more aligned we are, the more autonomous they they get. m1 betsy: ⁓ I think ⁓ Keith ⁓ Rabboy has has this ⁓ framework around ⁓ barrels and ammunition when he thinks about people. And so I'm I'm trying to I I I think about that a lot inside of my own team, right? Like those those again, regardless of title, and then I'll talk a little bit about career pathing because we're such a small team that that it it's hard. ⁓ the you know, the the person who can go from, you know, an idea from conception to execution and like riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ I think ⁓ Keith ⁓ Raboy has has this ⁓ framework around ⁓ barrels and ammunition when he thinks about people. And so I'm I'm trying to I I I think about that a lot inside of my own team, right? Like those those again, regardless of title, and then I'll talk a little bit about career pattern because we're such a small team that that it it's hard. ⁓ the you know, the the person who can go from you know an idea from conception to execution and like riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ but yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. m1 betsy: drive and go all the way through and think about the second and third and fourth level details and they're not just they're not waiting to be told what to do, right? They're not they're not waiting for permission. They're actually just taking it. And again, if we're aligned on what the goal is, then I then run. You know, then run. I I don't if we're not aligned, then I then I worry about, you know, ⁓ people just running. on the on the titling, you know, we have about 20 people riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: drive and go all the way through and think about the second and third and fourth level details and they're not just they're not waiting to be told what to do, right? They're not they're not waiting for permission. They're actually just taking it. And again, if we're aligned on what the goal is, then I then run. You know, then run. I I don't if we're not aligned, then I then I worry about, you know, ⁓ people just running. on the on the titling, you know, we have about 20 people riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: on the team. I have two people that report to me that have a chief in front of them on the product side, on the experience side. In a in a bigger company, they would, you know, they wouldn't have those titles. ⁓ in our world though, they are my right and left arm and they control, you know, each has kind of half of the rest of the team. ⁓ and so the the you know my job is to help give them exposure and ⁓ m1 betsy: on the team, I have two people that report to me that have a chief in front of them on the product side, on the experience side. In a in a bigger company, they would, you know, they wouldn't have those titles. ⁓ in our world though, they are my right and left arm and they control, you know, each has kind of half of the rest of the team. ⁓ and so the the, you know, my job is to help give them exposure and ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah, mm-hmm. m1 betsy: experience such that when they do leave eighteen seventy one, which everybody will because we're you know, we're too small for a lifelong career, ⁓ that they're ready for that next role, regardless of the title, but that they're they're ready to to perform at that higher level. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: experience such that when they do leave eighteen seventy one, which everybody will because we're you know, we're too small for a lifelong career, ⁓ that they're ready for that next role, regardless of the title, but that they're they're ready to to perform at that higher level. m1 jeremie: Yeah, really cool. Well, related to that, right, so and Gary and I talk about this a lot with the companies that we work with, we're always worried for them. We're always worried about them. We're always trying to help them. That's what you do, right? You're it and but we talk a lot, and oftentimes I'm wondering, like, you know, generally speaking, whether you say you go to Kellogg for your MBA, right? ⁓ or whatever. And ⁓ you know, in the throughout the course of your time at Kellogg or riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, really cool. Well, related to that, right, so and Gary and I talk about this a lot, with the companies that we work with, we're always worried for them. We're always worried about them. We're always trying to help them. That's what you do, right? And you're it and but we talk a lot, and oftentimes I'm wondering, like, you know, generally speaking, whether you say you go to Kellogg for your MBA, right? ⁓ or whatever. And ⁓ you know, in the throughout the course of your time at Kellogg or booth or Harvard or Stanford, wherever, like you're you're you and you take the entrepreneurial track, like you learn a bunch of stuff, tactical, strategic stuff, how to s how to think about ideas, how to actually do the thing of starting a company, how to think about entrepreneurial selling, all those things, right? Which is super, super valuable. So I said as preamble to say like, do you ever feel like I'm given your background both in academia and here, do you ever feel like maybe when we as ⁓ coaches m1 jeremie: booth or Harvard or Stanford whatever, like you're you're you and you take the entrepreneurial track, like you learn a bunch of stuff, tactical, strategic stuff, how to s how to think about ideas, how to actually do the thing of starting a company, how to think about entrepreneurial selling, all those things, right? Which is super, super valuable. So I said as preamble to say like, do you ever feel like and I'm given your background both in academia and here, do you ever feel like maybe when we as ⁓ coaches And mentors and advisors to startups, do we over teach strategy and under teach like emotional regulation, conflict, hiring, firing, like operating cadence, actual ways to build a pilot program, like the five steps to getting customer calls, like all the really, really tactical in the weedsy, like business stuff? Right? Right. What do you think? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: And mentors and advisors to startups, do we over teach strategy and under teach like emotional regulation, conflict, hiring, firing, like operating cadence, actual ways to build a pilot program, like the five steps to getting customer calls, like all the really, really tactical in the weedsy, like business stuff? Right? Right. What do you think? m1 gary: you riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, so so th I think the two most important things that m1 betsy: Yeah, so so th I think the two most important things that higher education fails at in terms of education, and then I'll talk about the nitty-gritty, but the two themes in my opinion are nobody teaches anybody about how to define the problem. And it's like the most underrated the most ⁓ you know, it's a super important management skill. Nobody does it, everyone wants to jump you know, jump to solutions. We don't we don't teach that. And the second thing we don't teach is influence and how do you drive change and how do you make positive change happen. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Higher education fails at in terms of education, and then I'll talk about the nitty-gritty. But the two themes, in my opinion, are nobody teaches anybody about how to define the problem. And it's like the most underrated, the most you know, it's a super important management skill. Nobody does it. Everyone wants to jump you know, jump to solutions. We don't we don't teach that. And the second thing we don't teach is influence and how do you drive change and how do you make positive change happen? And then if you unpack that, particularly on the influence side. m1 betsy: And then if you unpack that, particularly on the influence side, you know, the people come out, I mean I'll I'll talk about my one of my alma maters, like, you know, you and they walk out of Harvard Business School and they're like, Well, you know, I'm a Harvard business school grad, so I can I'm gonna, you know, I I've read, you know, eight hundred cases over the last two years. So like I put myself in the protagonist's shoes. I obviously know what to do. And I think there's a real reticence for many to like get their hands dirty and like actually do the real work. And so I riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: You know, the people come out I mean, I'll I'll talk about my one of my alma maters like, you know, you and they walk out of Harvard Business School and they're like, Well, you know, I'm a Harvard business school grad, so I can I'm gonna you know, I I've read, you know, eight hundred cases over the last two years. So like I put myself in the protagonist's shoes, I obviously know what to do. And ⁓ I think there's a real reticence for many to like get their hands dirty and like actually do the real work. And so riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Muito bem. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm. Mm. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I think part of it is teaching it, but part of it ⁓ is probably exposure and like how do we create more experiential learning where they're like doing the job before they have the job, you know, while they're in school? Like like Gary, you made the comment earlier, like, you know, you take out the garbage and you set the strategy of the organization and you, you know, you lead the fundraising rounds and you know, I do the same. Like, you know, I'm cleaning up after events, whatever. Like it's it's full on and I think that that m1 betsy: I think part of it is teaching it, but part of it ⁓ is probably exposure and like how do we create more experiential learning where they're like doing the job before they have the job, but you know, while they're in school? Like like Gary, you made the comment earlier, like, you know, you take out the garbage and you set the strategy of the organization and you, you know, you lead the fundraising rounds and you know, I do the same. Like, you know, I'm cleaning up after events, whatever. Like it's it's full on and I think that that riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Baby. m1 betsy: It's glamorous to say you're a founder. It's cool. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: It's glamorous to say you're a founder. It's cool. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. m1 betsy: most I don't think most people really understands how har how hard it is. So the the more we can help people understand that when they're on that educational journey with that aspiration, I think, ⁓ I think I think the better. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: most I don't think most people really understands how har how hard it is. So the the more we can help people understand that when they're on that educational journey with that aspiration, I think, ⁓ I think I think the better. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I agree. I also think that like when you the when you and by the way I have to say one thing 'cause I know if if our buddy Mark Tevy listens to this, he's gonna say, No, no, no, no, at Booth we teach this class. It's called entrepreneurial discovery. ⁓ but but that having having said that, dot dot dot, m1 jeremie: I also think that like when you the when you and by the way I have to say one thing because I know if if our buddy Mark Tevy listens to this, he's gonna say, No, no, no, no, at Booth we teach this class. It's called entrepreneurial discovery. ⁓ but but that having having said that, dot dot dot, m1 betsy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, great. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, great. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ what I would say too is ⁓ that know, to me ⁓ I've always looked at like doing the th the thing itself and all the hard things, all the all the nitty gritty stuff. m1 jeremie: what I would say too is ⁓ you know, to me, ⁓ I've always looked at like doing the th the thing itself and all the hard things, all the all the nitty gritty stuff. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Okay. m1 jeremie: Is like really what teaches you ultimately how to be that executive you want to be. You can't learn how to fire and hire and manage conflict and build constructive, like healthy friction across teams unless you actually do it a lot, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: is like really what teaches you ultimately how to be that executive you want to be. Right. You can't learn how to fire and hire and manage conflict and build constructive, like healthy friction across teams unless you actually do it a lot. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Totally. Completely. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Right. ⁓ m1 jeremie: right? ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: and so it's also why a lot of times I meet early stage founders like and they've never done any of that stuff. And it's like, hey, your your idea might be rad, but like you are never going to get m1 jeremie: and so it's also why a lot of times I meet early stage founders like and they've never done any of that stuff. And it's like, hey, your your idea might super rad, but like you are never going to get funded unless you find a team of people that have done all those things to help you do that and support you. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: funded unless you find a team of people that have done all those things to help you do that and support you. I think that's one of the one of the biggest, one of the biggest and hardest things for a lot of people to to sort of like realize is ⁓ the best idea rarely wins. It's the best execution and best marketing. That's what wins, right? ⁓ and then who can raise the most money. m1 jeremie: I think that's one of the one of the biggest one of the biggest and hardest things for a lot of people to to sort of like realize is ⁓ the best idea rarely wins. It's the best execution and best marketing. That's what wins, right? ⁓ and then who can raise the most money? riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ But ⁓ m1 jeremie: ⁓ But ⁓ m1 betsy: Yeah, I I mean if I just like when riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, I I mean if I just like when m1 betsy: when I was twenty one, I got a job at at GE, like a training program. And the first six months I like I walked in the door and I was leading twenty five people that were in the in a call center environment. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: when I was twenty one, I got a job at at GE, like a training program. And the first six months ⁓ I like I walked in the door and was leading twenty five people that were in the in a call center environment. m1 betsy: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ m1 betsy: And yeah, I was literally twenty you know, ⁓ no idea what I was doing. And the first three weeks they put me on the phone and I had to be the, you know, collecting collecting past due payments or answering customer service or whatever it might be. And it was super hard. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And yeah, I was literally twenty you know ⁓ no idea what I was doing. And the first three weeks they put me on the phone and I had to the, you know, collecting collecting past due payments or answering customer service or whatever it might be. And it was super hard. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Sure, yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And so I feel really lucky that in my first like 90 days post college being employed, that I learned that lesson that like you have to like really understand how to do those things that allowed me to be a better leader coach to those folks. I I had to fire people. Like the first time I fired somebody went really poorly. And then HR turned on me. I mean, it was like like disaster so like now there's always two people in the room. Like you know, like just things that you that you learn through kind of being m1 betsy: And so I feel really lucky that in my first like 90 days post college being employed, that I learned that lesson that like you have to like really understand how to do those things that allowed me to be a better leader coach to those folks. I I had to fire people. Like the first time I fired somebody went really poorly. And then HR turned on me. I mean, it was like like disaster so like now there's always two people in the room. Like you know, like just things that you that you learn through kind of being ⁓ trying and and you know, kind of maybe falling down or certainly having some bruises ⁓ along the way. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ trying and and you know, kind of maybe falling down or certainly having some bruises ⁓ along the way. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. Betsy, this reminds me, just an aside, this reminds me of ⁓ Jensen Wang, the CEO m1 gary: See, reminds me, just on the side, this reminds me of Jensen Wayne, the CEO, founder of Nvidia, gave a talk at Stanford. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: founder of NVIDIA, gave a talk at Stanford m1 betsy: Sure. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Sure. Yeah. m1 gary: ⁓ They got a lot of press, which was basically titled, I Wish You A Life of riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ that got a lot of press, which was basically titled, I wish you a lot of pain, a life of m1 gary: Pain. Because riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: pain. Because he riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. m1 betsy: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. m1 gary: he said, through pain, you gain resilience. And resilience is the one thing that helps you with execution and success. And so a funny phrase, but he said, I wish a point to you. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: said, through pain you gain resilience. And resilience is the one thing that helps you with execution and success. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Hundred percent. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: And so it was very funny phrase, but he said, I wish upon to you years and decades of pain m1 gary: years and decades of pain. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ m1 gary: ⁓ m1 betsy: Yeah. I I riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. I I m1 betsy: I agree with it and and you know, if you look back over the last kind of fifteen months that I've had, like it's been pain. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I agree with it and and you know, if you look back over the last kind of fifteen months that I've had, like it's been pain. m1 gary: So, good riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. m1 gary: night. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: It's been a m1 betsy: It's been a lot of joy, but it's also been it's also been pain. And so like I have learned I I have built ⁓ like an internal fortitude that I I you know that I will never bet against myself. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: lot of joy, but it's also been it's also been pain. And so like I have learned I I have built ⁓ like an internal fortitude that I I you know that I will never bet against myself. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Which is what which is what you know ⁓ what I'd say idealistic founders have, or first time founders, but like second and third time founders, seasoned executives have. They have this like, m1 gary: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Which is what, you know, what I'd say idealistic founders have, or first-time founders, but like second and third-time founders, seasoned recorders have. They have this like, m1 betsy: Yeah. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I've I've gotten through something before. This might be new to me, but what's not new to me is trying to get through something. m1 gary: I've gotten something before. This might ⁓ new me, but what's not new to me is trying to get through something. And that becomes a really important superpower, think, whether in the executive role or whether in the founder role. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: And that becomes a really important superpower, I think, ⁓ whether in executive role or whether in a founder. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: think it ties directly back to your comment about ownership, Gary, to be honest. Like and and then sort of a theme around pattern recognition. You know, the like I'm old now and so I've just seen so many things so many times that I can identify a pattern and help people help people steer. But I think I think that ownership is really you know if I didn't if I didn't care so much I would have ⁓ or felt accountable to the to the m1 betsy: it ties directly back to your comment about ownership Gary to be honest like and and then sort of a theme around pattern recognition you know the like I'm old now and so I've just seen so many things so many times that I can identify a pattern and help people help people steer but I think I think that ownership is really you know if I didn't if I didn't care so much I would have ⁓ or felt accountable to the to the riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ no three. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Thank you. m1 betsy: transitory pattern of eighteen seventy one over the last couple of years. Like I you know, I we wouldn't be having this conversation and you know, not everybody signs up, whether you're the the senior the most senior leader or or others, like to to deal with that. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: transitory pattern of eighteen seventy one over the last couple of years. Like I you know, I we wouldn't be having this conversation and you know, not everybody signs up, whether you're the the senior the most senior leader or or others, like to to deal with that. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Right. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Okay. m1 gary: And also to have important impact, I think almost by definition that it's not gonna be easy. It's probably gonna be painful. It's hard for me to think. mean, Jensen's story is a 20 year story. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: And also to have it also to have important impact, I think, almost by definition, that it's not gonna be easy. It's probably gonna be painful. Like I I it's hard for me to think. I mean, Jensen's story is a twenty year story. m1 jeremie: Exactly. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Space is a twenty ex story. Even eighteen seventy one, how long has eighteen seventy one existed? m1 betsy: Yep. Yep. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yep. Yep. m1 gary: Space is a 20 year story. Even 1871, how long has 1871 existed? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Right. Well Yeah, fourteen years, yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Just over fourteen years. Yeah. m1 betsy: Just over 14 years. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: So there's this like long tell like if you're gonna have m1 gary: So there's this like long tail, if you're gonna have riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ seven billion ⁓ rays and twenty thousand jobs, it's not o is fourteen year overnight success in some ways ⁓ with a lot of pain throughout. m1 gary: ⁓ seven billion ⁓ raise and 20,000 jobs, it's an, a 14 overnight success in some ways ⁓ with a lot of pain throughout. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Totally. m1 betsy: Again, that's the glamour part. Like people s pe pe the the media tell stories in a certain way that make it sound like it's this, you know, overnight success glamour thing, you know? riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Again, that's the glamour part. Like people s pe pe the the media tell stories in a certain way that make it sound like it's this, you know, overnight success glamour thing, you know? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Well well of course. m1 betsy: Go riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Go ahead. Sorry. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Of course. Well not only that. I like you know, what we see oftentimes in the media are the exceptions to the rule, not m1 jeremie: Of course. Well, not only that, I mean like, you know, what we see oftentimes in the media are the exceptions to the rule, not the rule. Right, that that's how it's structured, right? So riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: the rule. Right, that that's how it's structured, right? So m1 betsy: Of course. Yeah. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: course. Yeah. Yeah. m1 jeremie: yeah, I was I I share this this statistic all the time with my with with folks that I work with, ⁓ and companies that I start talking with and I'm diligencing and whatnot. It's like it takes ⁓ this is as of as of late last year, and I think the data's on pitch book, you can go check it out and maybe we can send a link to it or something, but like seventeen is the average time it takes to exit. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: but yeah, I was I I share this this statistic all the time with my with with folks that I work with, ⁓ and companies that I start talking with and I'm diligencing and whatnot. It's like it takes ⁓ this is as of as of late last year, and I think the data's on pitchbook, you go check it out and maybe we can send a link to it or something, but like seventeen years is average time it takes to exit m1 jeremie: a company. Right. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: a company. Right. m1 gary: Thank you. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: No. m1 jeremie: So, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: So, m1 jeremie: and I would say that totally tracks with the companies that I've invested in that have exited, the companies that I've started that have had complete exits, that's how much time it takes 15 to 20 years to get it done. And so what's amazing about that, if you're the if you're a young founder, if you're a first time founder and you walk in the door saying, Okay, I'm gonna do this for the next 20 years, number one, it's those guys and gals who usually win in the end riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: and I would say that totally tracks with the companies that I've invested in that have exited, the companies that I've started that have had complete exits, that's how much time it takes 15 to 20 years to get it done. And so what's amazing about that, if you're the if you're a young founder, if you're a first time founder and you walk in the door saying, okay, I'm gonna do this for the next 20 years, number one, it's those guys and gals who usually win in the end riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm-hmm. Yeah. m1 jeremie: because they've got this to riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: because they've got this tiveness. But it's also something that's interesting is you get to a certain point with a startup, with a company where m1 jeremie: something that's interesting is you get to a certain point with a startup, with a company where You might not be the right person for the job anymore. And or you may have outgrown that thing, right? It might you still love the ecosystem, you still love the thing, you still love the industry, you still love your people. But for your personal growth, you need to do something else. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: You might not be the right person for the job anymore and or you may have outgrown that thing, right? It might you still love the ecosystem, you still love the thing, you still love the industry, you still love your people, but for your personal growth, you need to do something else. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. m1 betsy: Yeah, absolutely. m1 jeremie: ⁓ which is also totally fair and riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ which is also totally fair and m1 jeremie: totally fair and totally great. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: totally fair and totally great. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Completely. m1 jeremie: but yeah, I think you know, the the most naivety you see is when someone comes in and says, I'm gonna start this thing, I'm gonna sell it for a billion dollars in a year. Like okay, okay, that happens one in every 15,000 riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: but yeah, I think you know the the most naivety you see is when someone comes in and says, I'm gonna start this thing and I'm gonna sell it for a billion dollars in a year. Like o okay, that happens one in every fifteen thousand m1 jeremie: companies, but it's riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: companies, but it's riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: probably not gonna happen. So let's do the work. m1 jeremie: probably not gonna happen. So let's do the work. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: couple of those. There's a I do office hours on Friday afternoons and m1 betsy: of those. There's a c I do office hours on Friday afternoons and ⁓ with founders and have for I guess eight years and ⁓ and ⁓ there's a couple that have been like, you know, this gonna be the fastest growing company that's ever existed. I'm like, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ with founders and have I guess eight years and ⁓ and ⁓ there's a couple that have been like, you know, this is be the fastest growing company that's ever existed. I'm like, okay. ⁓ Yeah, great. Maybe. I know. m1 betsy: okay. Yeah, great. Maybe. Yeah. I know. m1 jeremie: Cool. Good luck. Let's do it. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Cool. Good luck. Let's do it. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: But riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: right. we have we have a s we have a segment that we like that we're we're again, first time we're doing this, but we're gonna sort of we're gonna guinea m1 jeremie: right. So we have we have a s we have a segment that we like that we're we're again, first time we're doing this, but we're gonna sort of we're gonna guinea riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: pig for this segment, m1 jeremie: pig you for this segment, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Okay. m1 jeremie: and then we're gonna use it every other time. It's called boardroom blitz riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: and we're gonna use it every other time. It's called Boardroom Blitz m1 jeremie: after the show itself. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: after show itself. m1 jeremie: So what we do, and Gary, you have a link in your on your phone, I think. You can generate what random ones too riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: So we do, and Gary you have a link in your on your phone, I think. You can generate what random ones too if if your phone's on. ⁓ m1 jeremie: if you if your phone's on. m1 gary: Yes. m1 jeremie: So riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: So m1 gary: Turn it off. ⁓ respect for our guests. m1 jeremie: so Gary and I gonna ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: so and I gonna ⁓ m1 gary: ⁓ m1 jeremie: nice, nice. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: nice, ⁓ So Gary's gonna turn his phone on, then we're gonna go back and forth, m1 jeremie: So Gary's gonna turn his phone on, then we're gonna go back and forth, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ generating m1 jeremie: ⁓ generating riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Okay. m1 betsy: Okay. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: random boardroom blitz questions. m1 jeremie: random boardroom blitz questions. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Okay. m1 betsy: Okay. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Okay. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ m1 jeremie: ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: so we have this bank of 10 legitimate but also kind of cheesy cheeky that we're gonna randomly I'm gonna initiate the blitz and I'm gonna come up with the first random question for you about life as a like life and executive, and then we'll we'll just have some fun with you, put m1 jeremie: so we have this bank of ten legitimate but also kind of cheesy, cheeky that we're gonna randomly I'm gonna initiate the blitz and I'm gonna come up with the first random question for you about life as a life life and executive, and then we'll we'll just have some fun with you, put riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: you on the spot. m1 jeremie: you on the spot. m1 gary: and just riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: But it shit in my blitz as m1 gary: get it in my boots as well. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: well. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, baby, there it is. All right, so first question. By the ⁓ m1 jeremie: Yeah, baby, there it is. All right, so first question. ⁓ By the riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm-hmm. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: first question. ⁓ and I'm babbling because I'm reading it and the m1 jeremie: first question. ⁓ and I'm babbling because I'm reading it and ⁓ Making myself laugh. All right. What's the best piece of career advice you've given to someone else that you wish you had followed yourself? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Making myself laugh. All right. What's the best piece of career advice you've given to someone else that you wish you had followed yourself? riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm. m1 gary: Anyway. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ I think it is you have to ask for what you want. m1 betsy: I think it is you have to ask for what you want. ⁓ and m1 jeremie: And then you didn't ask? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: And then you didn't ask? riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: and ⁓ m1 betsy: you have ask for you want, you have to ⁓ and and particularly you're when you're younger and ⁓ and you can't let like your circumstances that you're a single person with no children your colleagues ⁓ have children or are married or have other type you know, often I see people saying, they're you know riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: you have to for what want, you have to and and and particularly you're when you're younger and ⁓ and you can't let like if your circumstances that you're a single person with no children and colleagues have children or are married or have other you know, often I see people saying, Well, they're you know m1 betsy: Their priorities are more important than mine. And so I'm not gonna ask for what I need because they need those things. And riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Their priorities are more important than mine. And so I'm not gonna ask for what I need because they need those things. And I think m1 betsy: I think and I certainly did that as a young person. And ⁓ that's what I ⁓ I I ⁓ you know ⁓ it'd be that. And then I would remind them that the response to the is more important the bounce. don't remember the mistake, they remember how you responded to it. And mistakes are hit harder when you're younger and you don't have perspective. So the I saw I threw in two. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: and I certainly did that as a young person. And ⁓ that's what I ⁓ I I ⁓ you know, ⁓ it'd be that and then I would remind them that the response to the is more important the bounce. don't remember the mistake, they remember how you responded to it, and mistakes are hit harder when you're younger and you don't have perspective. So the I saw I threw in two. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I love it. That's awesome. All m1 jeremie: I love it. That's awesome. All riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: right, Gary. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Okay, this one, m1 gary: Okay, here's my riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ m1 gary: ⁓ Betsy Ziegler. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Betsy Ziegler, m1 gary: What's the riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: was the m1 betsy: Yes. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yes. m1 gary: most corporate BS you've ever used in a meeting? And do you regret it? ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: most corporate BS you've ever used in a meeting, and do you regret it? ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Well, you I was a consultant for almost thirteen m1 betsy: Well, you know, I was a consultant for almost thirteen riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: years, so there's ⁓ there's m1 betsy: years, so there's ⁓ there's there's a lot of phrases that I used, you riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: there's a lot of phrases that I used, you know, m1 betsy: know, like, you know, s you know, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: like, you know, ⁓ s you know, ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Making a water. m1 gary: thinking of what? ⁓ m1 betsy: circle back ⁓ and double down ⁓ and I don't know. I mean they show up as memes riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: circle back ⁓ and double down ⁓ and I don't know. I they they show up as memes riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Mm-hmm. m1 betsy: now. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: now. ⁓ I I don't know if I I don't know if I don't I don't live with lots of regrets, so I don't think I m1 betsy: I I don't know if I I don't know if I I don't don't live with lots of regrets, so I don't think I riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: regret it per se, but m1 betsy: regret it per se. But riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: but I but it's funny now when I hear it, m1 betsy: but I but it's funny now when I hear it, riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 gary: Yeah! riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I I m1 betsy: I I ⁓ m1 gary: ⁓ m1 betsy: I'm like riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I'm like I I was m1 betsy: I was I was interviewing somebody the other day who who for a role and they they basically like gave me coaching about how to handle a a like a specific situation on my team. W was not a question that I asked. And I literally was like, Yeah. ⁓ Great. you. Like I I'm not hiring a consultant. I'm I you know, I'm looking for a particular skill set. So my radar is way up now. I try to make sure I don't do it. But I yeah, I don't think I've regret it, but I've certainly I've done it hundreds of times. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I was interviewing somebody the other day who who for a role and they they basically like gave me coaching about how to handle a a like a specific situation on my team. W was not a question that I asked. And I literally was like, Yeah. ⁓ Great. Thank Like I I'm not hiring a consultant. I'm I you know, I'm looking for a particular skill set. So my radar is way up now. I try to make sure I don't do but I yeah, I don't think I've regret it, but I've certainly I've done it hundreds of times. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. m1 betsy: Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: T to all my B C friends, delete let's double click. m1 gary: To all my BC friends, delete, let's double click. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ I ⁓ m1 gary: ⁓ I hate that friend. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ gosh, please. That one is currently the most m1 jeremie: ⁓ gosh, please. That one is certainly the most m1 betsy: Yeah, double click. Yeah. Double c I actually I still p occasionally say double click. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, double click. Yeah. Double c I actually I still p occasionally say double click. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ I want that one to go away. Thank you for saying that, Gary. Please, internet world, erase that. m1 jeremie: ⁓ I want that one to go away. Thank you for saying that, Gary. Please, internet world, erase that. m1 betsy: Yeah. Yep. ⁓ Yeah. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ Yep. m1 jeremie: All riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. m1 jeremie: right, here's the one for you. What's one business book you actually finished and think that everyone else should too? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: All right, here's the one for you. What's one business book you actually finished and think that everyone else should too? m1 betsy: So I'm I'm like a total geek fangirl for the for the folks that call themselves the category pirates. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: So I'm I'm like a total geek fangirl for the for the folks that call themselves the category pirates. m1 betsy: I don't know if you're familiar with them. ⁓ And riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I don't know if you're familiar with them. And riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Sure. Love the book. m1 jeremie: Sure. Love the book. m1 betsy: ⁓ the book the the the category pirate handbook, I I should get affiliate fees because I've I've suggested it's for so many people. But the idea you know, it focus on ⁓ on how you're different versus how you how you compare and compete with others. And I I if you look at the book, like I've underlined almost every I love the category pirates. They ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ the book the the the category pirate handbook, I I should get affiliate fees because I've I've suggested it's for so many people. But the idea that, you know, it focus on ⁓ on how you're different versus how you how you compare and compete with others. And I I if you look at the book, like I've underlined almost word. I love the category pirates. They ⁓ m1 betsy: They I they help they've helped me reframe so much of how I think about ⁓ the world. So that would be the one I'd like go to Amazon immediately and get. Or or your local bookshelf. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: They I they help they've helped me reframe ⁓ so much of how I think about ⁓ the world. So that would be the one I'd like go to Amazon immediately and get. Or or your local bookshelf. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: haven't read that one so I gotta I gotta read m1 gary: read that one so I gotta gotta read riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: one. m1 betsy: Yeah. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I think I have a copy feeling great. m1 jeremie: I think I have a copy feeling great. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: It's sitting m1 jeremie: It's sitting m1 gary: Okay. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: right there on my shelf. Like m1 jeremie: right there on my shelf. Like m1 gary: ⁓ m1 jeremie: yeah, right yeah. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: yeah, right yeah. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, it's the best. m1 betsy: Yeah, it's the best. And then and then the category private folks, like the w you know, they're ⁓ they have little short versions and they have ⁓ they've ⁓ you know, YouTubes and podcasts and stuff. Like there's whole bunch of like bite size, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And then and then the category private folks like the you know, they're ⁓ they have little short versions and they have ⁓ they have ⁓ you know, YouTubes and podcasts and stuff. Like there's a whole bunch of like bite sized, m1 betsy: like really helpful bite-sized points, yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: like really helpful bite-sized points, you know. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I won't. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, they've they've Yeah, they they've kinda done what the Strategizer series done. They've kind of broke blown m1 jeremie: Yeah, they they've kind of done what the Strategizer series done. They've kind of brought riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: it out. m1 jeremie: it out. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: It's like EOS, ⁓ Pirates, ⁓ and Strategize those are all like really good frameworks to mess around with, for m1 jeremie: It's like EOS, ⁓ Pirates, ⁓ and Strategize. Those are all like really good frameworks to mess around with, for riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: sure. For sure. m1 jeremie: sure. Sure. m1 betsy: Yeah. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Yeah. m1 jeremie: All right, Gary, do you have another one? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: All right, Gary, do you have another one? riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I do and I just wanna I just really wanna show the graphic on this one. ⁓ but this one, Betsy Ziggler, if you could pick one generation m1 gary: And I just want I just really want to show the graphic on this one But this one that's easy clear if you can pick one generation riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Mm-hmm. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: to run your company for a year, who would you pick and why? m1 gary: run your company for a year Who would you pick and why? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: By generation you mean boomer to m1 jeremie: generation you mean boomer zoomer boomer to zoomer. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: zoom boomer to zoom right. m1 gary: We mean boomers, gen x millennials, gen z's, I guess there's also alpha. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: We mean boomers, in X, millennials, Gen Z. I guess there's also Alpha. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Are they in the workforce already? At like in m1 jeremie: Are they in the workforce already? At like in riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: their twenties? They're m1 jeremie: their twenties? They're m1 gary: or I guess the well riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Or I guess well, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I don't know. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: close. m1 jeremie: close. m1 gary: you know riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: you know. m1 betsy: No. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Tr tr Charlie's riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: They're no, I think not, 'cause my my my m1 jeremie: They're no, I think not, because my my my m1 betsy: T ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: youngest son is m1 jeremie: youngest son is m1 betsy: Charlie's an riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: an alpha, m1 betsy: yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: yeah. m1 jeremie: the last of the of the riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: the last of the of the m1 gary: I think there are at YC. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I think I think there are riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: last of the zoomers. Well m1 jeremie: last of the zoom. m1 gary: ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I think there are at Y C. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ m1 betsy: Ha riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: my my youngest son is fifteen and he's still a Z, so riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: huh. m1 jeremie: My my youngest son is fifteen and he's still a Z. So I think it's the riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I think it's the riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Okay. m1 gary: Okay. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: kids that were born after twenty ten. They're the alphas, right? m1 jeremie: kids that were born after twenty ten. They're the alphas, right? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Either m1 jeremie: Either m1 gary: Okay. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Okay. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Char my son Charlie, who you both know, age thirteen, believes that he is in the one year that isn't included in any generations, which he thinks is very special and is holding on to. I m1 betsy: Char my son Charlie, who you both know, age thirteen, believes that he is in the one year that isn't included in any generations, which he thinks is very special and is holding on to. I m1 jeremie: way. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: way. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: actually think he's an alpha, but he m1 betsy: actually think he's an alpha, but he m1 jeremie: Yeah, he's an alpha. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, he's an m1 betsy: he has decided riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: he has decided riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: alpha. ⁓ m1 jeremie: ⁓ m1 betsy: that he didn't that he's he sort of stands alone. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: that he didn't that he's he sort of stands alone. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Exactly. m1 gary: you m1 betsy: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Charlie, we love you, but you are an alpha. m1 jeremie: Charlie, we love you, but you are an alpha. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ m1 jeremie: ⁓ m1 betsy: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ m1 betsy: so I'm a I'm a you know I'm in the a forgotten group with the the gen ⁓ People f you know kind of forget about us. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: so I'm ⁓ I'm a you know I'm in the a forgotten group with the the gen ⁓ People for you know kind of forget about us. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. m1 betsy: I I don't riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I I don't riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: X X m1 jeremie: X or S. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 betsy: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ m1 jeremie: We're m1 betsy: I I riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I I riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: We're latchkey kids, man. on. X X X ⁓ m1 jeremie: latchkey kids, man. Come on. X XXX. ⁓ m1 betsy: I think it's important to have this is probably a cheat answer, but I think it's important to a representation ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I think it's important to have this is probably a cheat answer, but I think it's important to a representation ⁓ m1 betsy: across. Like I want the energy and the enthusiasm and like the curiosity and the wide eyedness of like the you know, the millennials and the and the and the Gen Z. But I want the I want the pattern recognition and the confidence of a of an Xer to to complement. So that's I guess and then the boomers, you know, we always can learn from the you know the the boomers also. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: across. Like I want the energy and the enthusiasm and like the curiosity and the wide eyedness of like the you know, the millennials and the and the and the Gen Z. But I want the I want the pattern recognition and the confidence of a of an Xer to to complement. So that's I guess and then the boomers, you know, we always can learn from the you know the the boomers also. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: You don't have to be super inclusive in this answer, Betsy. m1 gary: You don't have to be super inclusive in this answer, Betsy. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: know you're s being super PC. m1 jeremie: know, you're s being super PC. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: You we we we we can uninclude the boomers, m1 gary: We can uninclude the boomers. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: not just ⁓ m1 gary: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Well, I don't I yeah, I mean if I had if you if like, you know, gun to the head I'd probably say the ⁓ you know, probably millennial. But I but I but I think there's some value of the Xers. Like I think there's m1 betsy: Well, I don't I yeah, I mean if I had if you if like, you know, gun to the head I'd probably say the ⁓ you know, probably millennial. But I but I but I think there's some value of the Xers. Like I think there's still ⁓ I think you know riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: still ⁓ I think you know m1 gary: ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 betsy: I think there's value there that I would, you know, if I'm I'm riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I think there's value there that I would, you know, I'm m1 gary: you riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: handing the keys over, you m1 betsy: handing the keys over, you riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: So I m1 jeremie: So I m1 betsy: know. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: know. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I will this. I this is funny. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say who said this, but you guys both know her. And actually, Betsy, this was at a board meeting, right right before a board meeting started that you and I were in, maybe f ⁓ six months And I don't think the person realized that we were on Zoom with like lots of people in the background m1 jeremie: I will this. I this was funny. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say who said this, but you guys both know her. And actually, Betsy, this was at a board meeting, right before a board meeting started that you and I were in, maybe ⁓ six months And I don't think the person realized that we were on Zoom with like lots of people in the background too. And right riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: And right before the started, this person sat next to a boomer, ⁓ who's a very like influential, very powerful boomer, and said something to the effect of I I probably shouldn't swear as much as I normally swear on the pod. m1 jeremie: before the started, this person sat next to a boomer, ⁓ who's a very like influential, very powerful boomer, and said something to the effect of I I probably shouldn't swear as much as I normally swear on the pod. But ⁓ was like, ⁓ I swear to XYZ, if I if I ⁓ if I could, I would fire every person in X riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: But ⁓ was like, ⁓ I swear to XYZ, if I if I ⁓ if I could, I would fire every person in X m1 jeremie: not Gen X, but in this riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: not Gen X, but in this riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, yeah. m1 betsy: Yeah. Yeah. m1 jeremie: category and hire everybody I could possibly find this category and never turn back. And I'll tell you, ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: category and hire everybody I could possibly find this category and never turn back. And I'll tell you, ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Okay. m1 jeremie: it didn't land riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: it didn't land m1 jeremie: well. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: well. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah, m1 jeremie: ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ m1 gary: guess riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ Gary, we m1 gary: ⁓ you far. ⁓ You riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: should start a segment of sent this. m1 gary: know, we start a segment who said this. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ I can guess who was. ⁓ m1 gary: ⁓ Because didn't guess who was. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, right. ⁓ yeah, like a little yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That would be pretty funny. I like that idea. m1 jeremie: Yeah, right. ⁓ yeah, like little did Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That would be pretty funny. I like that idea. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, be good. m1 betsy: Yeah, begin. m1 jeremie: ⁓ That's pretty cool. ⁓ All right. I'm gonna ask one more, okay? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ That's pretty cool. ⁓ All right. I'm gonna ask one more, okay? And then we'll put you off the b the border blitz ⁓ hot seat. ⁓ m1 jeremie: And then we'll put you off the b the border ⁓ hot seat. ⁓ and it just it randomly generated one you already had, I'm not gonna ask for that one, but I will ⁓ gosh, it's the same ones. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: and it just it randomly generated one you already had, I'm not gonna ask for that one, but I will ⁓ gosh, it's the same ones. m1 jeremie: There are lots in here. ⁓ grab it, grab it. go. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: There are lots in here. ⁓ grab it, grab it, go. m1 gary: have one, I have one, I have one. Okay, riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Okay. ⁓ Betsy's a great. So mine is, what's the dumbest thing you believed about the C suite before you got there? m1 gary: my, Betsy's right there, so mine is, what's the dumbest thing you believed about the C-suite before you got there? riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm. I don't know, dumb. m1 betsy: Mm. ⁓ I don't know, dumb. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Mm. m1 betsy: Hmm. I I I don't you know, ⁓ because I had so much exposure ⁓ with Mc with McKinsey, but I'll so I'll riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Probably I ⁓ don't you know, ⁓ I had so much exposure at with ⁓ with McKinsey, but I'll so I'll ⁓ I don't if I would call dumb, but let's let's say that, you know, I think ⁓ m1 betsy: I don't know if I would call it dumb, but let let's say that, you know, I think ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 betsy: That I probably thought a lot about being in the C-suite was ⁓ directing traffic and ⁓ not actually doing the work. Now, I I mean it's often said like like people say, What do you do? And I say, Well, I don't I actually don't, you know, do anything. I help other people do things. And, you know, Jeremy, you and I have talked about like working on business or in the business, but I think I probably had like a a view of, you know, the the CEO sort of riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: That I probably thought a lot about being in the C suite was ⁓ directing traffic and ⁓ not actually doing the work. Now, I I mean it's often said like like people say, What do you do? And I say, Well, I don't I actually don't you know do anything. I help other people do things. And, you know, Jeremy, you and I have talked about like working on business or in the business, but I think I probably had like a a view of, you know, the the CEO sort of m1 betsy: directing traffic and figuring out what to do, but but not what I've learned is I think most of my job is helping p people figure out why we're doing it. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Directing traffic and figuring out what to do, but but not what I've learned is I think most of my job is helping p people figure out why we're doing it. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 gary: ⁓ m1 betsy: And that that that was that's the sh I don't know if that counts as dumb though. I I don't know ⁓ but you know, we'll put it in that in that category. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And that that that was that's the sh I don't know if that counts as dumb though. I I don't know ⁓ but you know, we'll put it in that in that category. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Well, it's I guess it's dumb if you thought your job was to like sit around in your office with your feet up on the desk m1 jeremie: It's I guess it's dumb if you thought your job was to like sit around in your office with your feet upon the desk riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: and like pretending to work. m1 jeremie: and like pretending to work. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like m1 betsy: Yeah, true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like m1 jeremie: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: you m1 betsy: you know, like Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Versus actually teaching people the importance and ⁓ m1 jeremie: Versus actually teaching people the importance and ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: know, like Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: being a mission carrier culture. Yeah, m1 jeremie: being a mission carrier culture. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Yeah. m1 betsy: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: yeah. Either m1 jeremie: Yeah. Either riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: You go do acts, you know, like the you know, exact I guess that's yeah yeah. It's not embar I guess maybe I was thinking about dumb as like embarrassing, but I ⁓ m1 betsy: You go do act, you know, like the you know, exact I guess that's yeah. It's not embar I guess maybe I was thinking about dumb as like embarrassing, but I I riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: way. It's awesome. m1 jeremie: way. It's awesome. m1 betsy: it's not riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: it's not ⁓ not embarrassing, but ⁓ but yeah. I think you ⁓ there's one other question that I think you guys told that I'd like you to answer but if it it gets m1 betsy: ⁓ not embarrassing, but ⁓ but yeah. I think you I there's one other question that I think you guys told that I'd like you to answer with if it it gets randomly generated, but riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: randomly generated, but m1 betsy: you guys riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: you guys riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Well let's randomly generated. Go ahead. What's the what what question should we be asking you that we m1 jeremie: Well let's it's randomly generated. Go ahead. What's the what what question should we be asking you that we didn't? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: didn't? m1 betsy: The song one. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: The song one. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ goodness m1 jeremie: ⁓ goodness gracious. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Okay, yes. m1 jeremie: Okay, yes. Well jump right in. You read it for me and and give us your answer. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: jump right You read it for me and and give us your answer. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Okay. ⁓ make I make sure I can read it the right m1 betsy: Okay. ⁓ make I make sure I can read it the right riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ m1 betsy: ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Well I can pull it up here too. m1 jeremie: Or I can pull it up here too. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I keep pushing the blitz just so I can get to this. I don't know why I need to fulfill that in my life, right? But I'm just trying to see how many blitzes do I have to hit to get to the question. m1 gary: keep pushing the blitz just so can get to this. I don't know why I fulfill that in my life, right? Well, I'm just trying to see how many blitzes do I have to hit to get to the question. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: It's like how many m1 jeremie: It's like how many riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ yeah. So if you if you're so here riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: how many lifts does it take to get to the center of m1 jeremie: how many licks does it take to get to the center of m1 betsy: So if you if you're so here riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: so so this riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: a Titsie Pi? m1 jeremie: a Titsie Pop? m1 betsy: so this riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: is I mean ⁓ again, I know you're doing the blitz and and ⁓ you there a tiny little preview ahead of time, so ⁓ m1 betsy: I mean ⁓ again, I know you're doing the blitz and and ⁓ you was a tiny little preview ahead of time, so ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: No, it's great. This the I was hoping this m1 jeremie: No, it's great. This the i th I was hoping this riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I had a chance to look at it. But m1 betsy: the the question is, and maybe you guys can answer this too. Maybe maybe answer it and you guys answer too. m1 jeremie: wouldn't come up too, so it's great. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: the the question is, and maybe you guys can answer this too. Maybe maybe I'll it and you guys answer too. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: wouldn't come up too, so it's m1 betsy: If your leadership style had a theme song, what would it be? riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: If your leadership style had a theme song, what would it be? m1 gary: Hmm? m1 jeremie: All right, Petsy, what's what's riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: All right, Petsy, what's what's m1 betsy: ⁓ so mine mine is ⁓ Don't Stop Believin by riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ so mine mine is ⁓ Don't Stop Believing by m1 jeremie: your theme song? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: your theme song? m1 betsy: Journey. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Journey. m1 jeremie: There you go, little journey. Can't can't can't beat that. That's great. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: There you go, little journey. Can't can't can't beat that. That's great. m1 betsy: And it's part partly because it's also my son's favorite song to sing. So it's partly that and also because I, you know, I think it's ⁓ yeah, good song. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: And it's partly because it's also my son's favorite song to sing. So it's partly that and also because I you know, I think it's ⁓ yeah, good songs. Yeah. Yeah. m1 gary: Great, for saying. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Rates are the same. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: It is it is a great song. It is a great song. m1 jeremie: It is it is a great song. It is a great song. m1 gary: Or a karaoke too, you know, it's like you get the whole, whatever note you're on and whatever octave you're in, let's just go with it, don't stop. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Or to kara to karaoke too, you it's like you get the whole every everyone whatever note you're on and whatever octave you're in, let's just go with it. Don't stop. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, exactly. Everybody joins in. Yeah. m1 betsy: Yeah, exactly. Everybody joins in. Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, exactly. m1 jeremie: Yeah, exactly. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Charlie m1 jeremie: ⁓ m1 betsy: Charlie riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Charlie sang it at the at his ⁓ at his fourth grade talent like m1 betsy: Charlie sang it at the at his ⁓ at his fourth grade talent like the elementary school talent show and the he had he had only had 90 seconds so it was a portion of the song riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: the elementary school talent show and the he had he had only had 90 seconds so it was a portion of the song m1 betsy: and he was riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: and he was riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. m1 betsy: doing a solo, but the background music went out like 20 seconds in and riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: doing a solo but the background music went out like 20 seconds in and m1 betsy: he, you know, you could see riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: he you know you could riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Nice. m1 jeremie: Nice. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: see him like st stunned for like a second or two and the the crowd started singing and then he like picked it back up and finished. It was like a really proud parent moment that he didn't get frightened by that and he actually felt it but to your point, Gary, like m1 betsy: him like ⁓ stunned for like a second or two, and the the crowd started singing, and then he like picked it back up and finished. It was like a really proud parent moment that he didn't get frightened by that and he actually felt it, but to your point, Gary, like everybody knows the song, so they're just riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Everybody knows the song, so they're just gonna they're gonna chime in. Yeah. m1 betsy: gonna they're gonna chat it. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Just bounce it. Can riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ it's a community. m1 gary: in community. m1 jeremie: Can share riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: share sin riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. m1 betsy: Yeah. m1 jeremie: but can I share my two favorite Charlie song moments? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: but can I my two favorite Charlie song moments? riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ sure. m1 betsy: ⁓ sure. m1 jeremie: one one, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: one one riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I think I know one of ⁓ at least. m1 betsy: I think I know one of ⁓ at least. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: ⁓ Okay. m1 betsy: ⁓ Okay. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: what yeah, you're know both of them because so this was such a special thing. So ⁓ moment one was ⁓ m1 jeremie: you're gonna know both of them. Cause so this was such a special thing. So ⁓ moment one was ⁓ so actually the the the best one when Charlie and I got to singing together in a show, he sang Hungry Like the Wolf. And I told Charlie before he going out on the so he did sound check us and stuff before the show. And then I'm like, yeah, I'll be here with you singing side by side. Don't worry about it. I got your back. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: so actually the best one was when Charlie and I got to sing together in a show. He sang Hungry Like the Wolf. And I told Charlie before he going out on the stage, so he did sound check us stuff before the show. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. I'm gonna go to riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: And then I'm like, Yeah, I'll be here with you singing side by side. Don't worry about it. I got your back. And then I pulled a total like nope, throw ⁓ off the cliff thing. So as soon as the song started and we brought him on stage, 'cause like, hey, who who who blah blah blah. Here comes Charlie, you gonna sing this awesome, he's gonna sing a Durand Rand song, Hungry Like the Wolf. And I looked at him and I said, Is your mic on? He goes, Yep. And I said, Awesome. He started singing and I walked off the stage. And so like, but he just he crushed it. It was super fun. ⁓ m1 jeremie: And then I pulled a total like nope, throw him off the cliff thing. So as soon as the song started and we brought him on stage, 'cause like, hey, who who who he blah blah blah. Here comes Charlie, he's gonna sing this awesome. He's gonna sing a Durand Rand song, Hungry Like the Wolf. And I looked at him and I said, Is your mic on? He goes, Yep. And I Awesome. He started singing and I walked off the stage. And so, like, but he just he crushed it. It was obviously super fun. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: It was super fun. Super fun to watch. Yeah. m1 betsy: It was super fun. Super fun to watch. Yeah. m1 jeremie: I was so so proud of him. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I was so so proud of him. m1 jeremie: The second one that actually brought tears to my eyes was ⁓ on my birthday. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: The second one that actually brought tears to my eyes was ⁓ on my birthday a few years ago, m1 jeremie: A few years ago, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I think, m1 jeremie: I think, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: maybe two years ago, ⁓ I get this text from Betsy and and it's a video from Charlie and he's singing one of my favorite bands is Green Day. And ⁓ Charlie's singing holiday off of ⁓ American off of the ⁓ the ⁓ American Indian album. ⁓ and ⁓ I was like, ⁓ that's freaking And he was singing a cappella crushing it for me. It was great. ⁓ m1 jeremie: maybe two years ago, ⁓ I get this text from Betsy and and it's a video from Charlie and he's singing one of my favorite bands is Green Day. And ⁓ Charlie's singing holiday off of ⁓ American off of the ⁓ the ⁓ American Idiot album. ⁓ and ⁓ I was like, ⁓ that's freaking awesome and he was singing a cappella crushing it for me. It great. ⁓ Love it. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Love it. m1 gary: Wow, I didn't riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Whoa, I riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: didn't know Charlie was in the arts. m1 gary: know Charlie was in the arts. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: ⁓ m1 gary: ⁓ m1 betsy: Yeah, big big time. Big time. Yep. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, big big time. Big time. Yep. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: This is what happens when you're not quite Z and not quite alpha. m1 gary: This is what happens when you're not quite Z and not quite alpha. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: He is ⁓ m1 gary: He is. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Exactly. ⁓ m1 betsy: Yeah, I think. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Not quite see not but That middle year. Yeah, it's funny. Very cool. Very cool. ⁓ m1 jeremie: Not quite, see not quite that middle year. Yeah, it's funny. Cool. Very cool. Awesome. m1 gary: Yeah, ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: no. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: If we have time, tell me your song. But if we don't, I understand. m1 betsy: If we have time, tell me your song. But if we don't, I understand. m1 gary: I was passing through Jeremy. I don't think about this. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I was passing to Jeremy. I I think about this. ⁓ m1 jeremie: There's there yeah, that's a great question. ⁓ I am going to if there's if there the problem is I just there's too many songs that are awesome. ⁓ okay. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: There's ⁓ there yeah, that's a great question. ⁓ I am going to if there's if there the problem is I just there's too many songs that are awesome. ⁓ okay. ⁓ m1 gary: I got one. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I got mine. m1 jeremie: Go ahead. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Go ahead. m1 gary: I got a one, but there's probably more to your point. ⁓ I was listening to it. Signed, still delivered riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: I got a one, but there's probably more to your point. I was just listening to it, Sign Still Delivered m1 gary: by C. ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: by Steve. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Well yeah, it's a good one. m1 jeremie: That's a yeah, that's a great song. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: That's a yeah, that's a great song. m1 betsy: Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. m1 jeremie: Yeah. We were talking about Stevie right when we got on the phone this this afternoon and Man ⁓ Man. Yeah, that's these are two great songs, guys. I don't know if I can I think I'm gonna deflect and I'll have to answer it some other time riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. We were talking about Stevie right when we got on the phone this this afternoon and Man ⁓ Man. Yeah, that's these are two great songs, guys. I don't know if I can I think I'm gonna deflect and I'll have to answer it some other time m1 jeremie: because I've got like fourteen songs in my head and riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: because I've got like fourteen songs in my head and riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. m1 gary: Hahaha! m1 jeremie: I'm thinking about the lyrics of each of them. I'm like, okay, riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: I'm thinking about the lyrics of each of them. I'm like, okay, m1 jeremie: but that one's awesome, except riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: but that one's awesome, except m1 jeremie: there's too many F bombs or that one's really cool too, but it's a little too grungy or you know, so I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to come riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: there's too many F bombs or that one's really cool too, but it's a little too grungy or you know, so I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to come back. m1 jeremie: back. m1 gary: You know riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: You know m1 jeremie: ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: what I you know that w because Jeremy, I was with your same thought pattern. I'm glad Betsy put us on the spot. This actually shows us ⁓ I I ⁓ I stopped the algorithm of looking at the wor the the the lyrics in my mind. m1 gary: that, you know that, because Jeremy, I was with your same thought pattern. I'm glad Betsy put us on the spot. This actually shows us. I stopped the algorithm of looking at the lyrics in my mind. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: And I just m1 gary: And I riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. m1 gary: just wondered what song creates a feeling in me that I want to create for teams, for my customer. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: thought what song ⁓ what ⁓ what song creates a feeling in me that I want to create for Teams for my customer? riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah, yeah. m1 jeremie: Yeah, yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: That's that's one of the songs. Mine still delivers one of the songs. m1 gary: That's one of songs. And I still deliver one of songs. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. m1 betsy: It's great. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. m1 gary: How I feel when I hear that song. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: How I feel when I hear that song. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: It's a great song too. Yeah, super fun. All right. Well, I promise next time we meet the next time the three of us are together, I will have a song and I will sing it m1 jeremie: It's a great song too. Yeah, super fun. All right. Well, I promise next time we meet, the next time the three of us are together, I will have a song and I will sing it m1 gary: Yeah. Yeah. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. ⁓ riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: for you. And then we will m1 jeremie: for you. And then we will riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, sing it. Yeah, you'll sing it. Yeah, m1 betsy: Yeah, sing it. Yeah, you'll sing it. Yeah, riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: great. ⁓ m1 betsy: great. ⁓ m1 jeremie: Yeah. We'll riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. We'll we'll karaoke together. Wherever we're at. We might be at a lunch or a coffee or in the middle of meeting somewhere. We're just gonna break out singing a song and see what happens. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. ⁓ m1 jeremie: we'll karaoke together. Wherever we're at. We might be at a lunch or a coffee or in the middle of meeting somewhere. We're just gonna break out singing a song and see what happens. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. ⁓ riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah. Break out. Yeah. m1 betsy: Yeah. Break out. Yeah. m1 jeremie: Well, Betsy, gosh, dang it, it's been so much fun hanging out with you today. We really appreciate you joining us for our first episode and we're so grateful for the partnership with 1871. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Well, Betsy, gosh dang it, it's been so much fun hanging out with you today. We really appreciate you joining us for our first episode and we're so grateful for the partnership with 1871. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, likewise. Yeah, thank you. m1 betsy: Yeah, likewise. Yeah, thank you. m1 gary: and to ⁓ riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Yeah, yeah. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Yeah, I really appreciate it. m1 betsy: Yeah, I really appreciate it. m1 jeremie: Get out there, have a great time and and ⁓ interview and have and learn and grow in our skill sets and help the community to learn and grow in theirs as well. So we really appreciate the partnerships. Great. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Get out there, have a great time and and ⁓ interview and have and learn and grow in our skill sets and help the community to learn and grow in theirs as well. So we really appreciate the partnerships. Great. m1 betsy: Thank you. Thank you both. Big hugs. Yeah, big hugs. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: Thank you. Thank you both. Big hugs. Yeah, big hugs. m1 gary: Thank you, Betsy. Thank you. Not just thank you, but thank you for everything. riverside garry cooper raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0014: Big ⁓ big on that sea. Thank you. Not just thank you for this, thank you for everything. riverside jeremie bacon raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0012: Yeah. All right. Awesome. m1 jeremie: Yeah. All right. Awesome. riverside betsy ziegler raw video cfr boardroom blitz 0013: I appreciate that. Thank you. m1 betsy: Appreciate that. Thank you.