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Speaker 1: He's the reform It Well.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm James macpherson filling in for Andrew Bolt.
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Speaker 3: Coming up tonight reaction to.
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Speaker 2: The historic piece deal set to be signed in Cairo
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Speaker 2: in about an hour from now. I'll talk to Israeli
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Speaker 2: author and activist Noah Tishby in just a moment. Why
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Speaker 2: is it so hard for labor to give Australians a
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Speaker 2: straight answer on how and why women who supported a
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Speaker 2: terrorist organization and now back in the country. I'll talk
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Speaker 2: through that with Barnaby Joyce, a Muslim cleric who believes
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Speaker 2: Hamas should not be listed as a terror organization, has
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Speaker 2: been advising the new South Wales government to get this
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Speaker 2: on Jewish safety. My panel will get into that one
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Speaker 2: and more revelations about the Manchester Synagogue attacker. Police allege
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Speaker 2: he pledged his allegiance to Isis for the attack that
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Speaker 2: left two people dead. Will get the latest from Patrick
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Speaker 2: Christie's But first, Today's historic peace deal between Israel and
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Speaker 2: Hamas has exploded ridiculous narratives that we've been sold over
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Speaker 2: the past two years. False narratives about Israel, the monster, Trump,
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Speaker 2: the tyrant, Albanezi, the Statesman, and about pro Palestinian protesters
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Speaker 2: who wouldn't know peace if it.
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Speaker 3: Hit them with a placard.
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Speaker 2: First and foremost, Today's peace Steel explodes the idea that
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Speaker 2: Israel has been committing a genocide in Gaza. You'll recall
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Speaker 2: the script Israel the heartless aggressor intent on a raising
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Speaker 2: Palestinians from existence. Well, today's events do tend to ruin
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Speaker 2: that narrative. Consider what actually happened today. Hamas agreed to
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Speaker 2: release all the hostages being held in Gaza, and Israel
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Speaker 2: immediately agreed to end the.
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Speaker 4: War just like that.
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Speaker 2: It turns out genocidal maniacs are remarkably easy to dissuade.
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Speaker 2: All you've got to do is give their kidnapped citizens back.
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Speaker 2: This was never about Israel trying to wipe the Palestinian
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Speaker 2: people from the face of the earth. As we've been
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Speaker 2: repeatedly told, the conflict began when Hamas decided to turn
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Speaker 2: Southern israel Will into a slaughter house, butchering twelve hundred
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Speaker 2: people while dragging two hundred and fifty underground as hostages.
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Speaker 2: The conflict ended when Hamas agreed to return the hostages
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Speaker 2: to their families. Why didn't Hamas think of that? Two
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Speaker 2: years ago. Come to think of it, why didn't Hamas
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Speaker 2: just refrain from murdering Jews and taking hostages in the
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Speaker 2: first place. Not being evil never seem to have occurred
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Speaker 2: to them. But of course if they had not done
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Speaker 2: what they had done, well, you know, and followed the
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Speaker 2: path of radical Isamus said, be no viral footage, no
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Speaker 2: global protests, and let's be honest, there wouldn't have been.
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Speaker 3: This effective today.
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Speaker 2: Sunday, the twenty first of September two thousand and twenty five,
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Speaker 2: the Colm War of Australia recognized as the state of Palestine.
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Speaker 2: More on Anthony Albanesi shortly but today proved there is
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Speaker 2: no genocide.
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Speaker 3: There never was.
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Speaker 2: All Hamas ever had to do in order to end
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Speaker 2: the suffering of the Palestinian people was to.
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Speaker 3: Release the hostages.
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Speaker 2: And it's sad for the Palestinian people that it took
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Speaker 2: Gaza being pummeled for two years before they finally saw sense,
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Speaker 2: Which brings me to the second narrative that's exploded by
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Speaker 2: this deal, the live that pro Palestinian protesters in the
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Speaker 2: West are interested in peace and concerned for Palestinian lives.
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Speaker 2: It's curious to me that the protesters never marched for
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Speaker 2: the release of hostages, not once. There were chants to
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Speaker 2: free Palestine, but never to free hostages. There were chances
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Speaker 2: to globalize the Interfada, but never to give Jewish babies
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Speaker 2: back to their families. Far from it, Pro Palestine supporters
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Speaker 2: went around the Melbourne and Sydney CBDs defacing and destroying
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Speaker 2: posters calling for Jewish hostages to be freed. And rather
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Speaker 2: than protesting against Maus, rather than urging the terrorists to
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Speaker 2: release the innocents who were taken captive, pro Palestinians chanted
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Speaker 2: in support of the Maas, waved to mass flags, and
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Speaker 2: held loft images of Hamas' leaders. As was proved today,
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Speaker 2: the release of the hostages was all that was needed
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Speaker 2: to stop the bombings. But while some extreme pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: demonstrators have been busy chanting.
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Speaker 3: Death, death to the IDF will there have been more
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Speaker 3: busy doing that.
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Speaker 2: In fact, so busy they haven't had time to worry
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Speaker 2: about things would actually end the war. We all know
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Speaker 2: what from the River to the Sea means. It means
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Speaker 2: it was never about peace. If it was about peace,
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Speaker 2: the demonstrators would be canceling Sunday's planned demonstration.
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Speaker 3: But they're not, are they.
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Speaker 2: The third myth exploded by today's peace deal is that
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government's decision to recognize a palace in the
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Speaker 2: in State was anything other than reckless theatrics. It most
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Speaker 2: certainly wasn't helpful. I was interested in the joint statement
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Speaker 2: put out today by Prime Minister Albanezi and his Foreign
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Speaker 2: Minister Penny Wong, in which they wrote, and I quote,
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Speaker 2: Australia has consistently been part of international calls for a ceasefire,
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Speaker 2: return of the hostages and the unimpeded flow of aid
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Speaker 2: to Gaza. Now note their language because it betrays them,
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Speaker 2: not just they've consistently called for a ceasefire before, they've
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Speaker 2: called for the return of hostages. Even in their statement
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Speaker 2: the hostages come second. Well, I'm sorry, but expecting Israel
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Speaker 2: to lay down its arms before the release of the
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Speaker 2: hostages is to ask what no mother or father whose
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Speaker 2: children have been stolen would ever do. The Albanezy government
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Speaker 2: fancy themselves as the moral compass of the Pacific, but they.
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Speaker 3: Keep reading the map upside down.
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Speaker 2: From the very beginning, the Albanesi government has dealt in
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Speaker 2: fantasies and muddled priorities, The statement continued, get a load
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Speaker 2: of this. We urge all parties to respect the terms
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Speaker 2: of the plan. Now again their language betrays them, all parties,
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Speaker 2: as if the deal between is between moral equivalents rather
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Speaker 2: than Israel, a liberal democracy who are now shaking hands
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Speaker 2: with the devil. Hamas is a terrorist organization, but you'd
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Speaker 2: never know it reading Albanzi and Wong's statement.
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Speaker 3: Have look at the next part quote.
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Speaker 2: Australia strongly supports the plan's commitment to denying Hamas any
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Speaker 2: role in.
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Speaker 3: The future governance of Gaza.
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Speaker 2: There's a very long road to recovery in Gaza, securing
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Speaker 2: long term peace and building the Palestinian state. Together with
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Speaker 2: our partners, Australia will continue to do what we can
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Speaker 2: to contribute to a just and enduring two state solution. Again,
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Speaker 2: the emphasis is all wrong.
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Speaker 3: The past two.
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Speaker 2: Years has been about Israel trying to rescue its hostages.
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Speaker 2: That's what precipitated this entire thing. The Albanezy government makes
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Speaker 2: the past two years all about building a Palestinian state. Now,
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Speaker 2: if that's not an encouragement to more terrorism, I don't
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Speaker 2: know what is the next line. Well, the next line
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Speaker 2: must have hurt I quote we thank President Trump for
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Speaker 2: his diplomatic efforts.
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Speaker 3: Oh boy, they.
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Speaker 2: Must have written that through gritted teeth, which brings me
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Speaker 2: conveniently to the fourth narrative exploded by today's peace deal.
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Speaker 2: For the past ten years, we've been told Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: as bils a up, a Nazi, a dangerous demagogue who
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Speaker 2: will lead the world off a cliff and into World
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Speaker 2: War III. Instead, is the only man since the Son
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Speaker 2: of God who's managed to bring peace to the Middle
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Speaker 2: East On a Monday, I had to laugh at CNN's
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Speaker 2: coverage of today's announcement.
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Speaker 5: Less that are the peacemakers, indeed, But it is worth
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Speaker 5: pointing out this is a ceasefire deal, right. This is
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Speaker 5: not a larger peace deal about a Palestinian state of
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Speaker 5: any sword and who gets to rule a Palestinian state
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Speaker 5: and Israel gets security guarantees how and all that that
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Speaker 5: is still TBD.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: This is a ceasefire deal. This is not a larger
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Speaker 3: peace deal.
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Speaker 2: You can always rely on CNN to find a dark
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Speaker 2: cloud on any sunny day. I can't imagine how depressed
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Speaker 2: they're going to be watching the hostages come home to
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Speaker 2: their families. Speaking of which, Trump phoned the families of
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Speaker 2: Israeli hostages today to personally tell them their loved ones
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Speaker 2: were coming home.
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Speaker 6: The hostages will come back, They're or coming back on Monday.
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Speaker 2: I think now is as good a time as any
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Speaker 2: to say, could you ever met any of this under
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris presidency?
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Speaker 3: So there you have it.
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Speaker 2: After two years of bloodshed, peace broke out, not because
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Speaker 2: of hashtags, not because of protests, not because of international
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Speaker 2: pressure from Anthony Albanezi, but because one side finally stopped
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Speaker 2: behaving like demons. And if that's what it takes to
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Speaker 2: end a war, maybe the next peace deal should start
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Speaker 2: by asking activists, bureaucrats, and prime ministers to try the same.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now.
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Speaker 2: From the US is Israeli author and activist Noah Tishby. Noah,
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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the program this evening. I can't
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Speaker 2: imagine the relief families of the hostages must be feeling today.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is a day of elation. We have been
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Speaker 8: waiting for this day for two years. The hostage families
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Speaker 8: have been waiting for this day for two years, and
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Speaker 8: it all happened very quickly, unfolded very very quickly. Basically,
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Speaker 8: President Trump decided that this needs to happen, and it
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Speaker 8: did so. There was a lot of pressure being put
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Speaker 8: on Kamas from Qatar, from Turkey that joined along the
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Speaker 8: White House was able to coordinate this international effort. This
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Speaker 8: by partisan Arabic effort and manifested itself with a deal that,
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Speaker 8: according to the plan, should be signed by tomorrow noontime
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Speaker 8: in Israel and the hostages should be released. All the
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Speaker 8: live ones should be coming back home starting Sunday Saturday
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Speaker 8: or Sunday, god willing, and.
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Speaker 2: The arrival of the hostages back to their families and friends.
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Speaker 2: Coincides with the major Jewish festival.
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Speaker 9: Is that right, Yes, it is.
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Speaker 8: It is Simhatota is a celebration of receiving the Bible,
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Speaker 8: receiving the Torah.
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Speaker 9: And it's the end of the holiday.
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Speaker 8: Of Sukkot, which is exactly two years in the Hebrew
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Speaker 8: calendar to when the October seventh massacre happened and which
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Speaker 8: started this entire disaster. The symbolic aspect of the hostages
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Speaker 8: returning on the same day that they were stolen from
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Speaker 8: their beds or from a party is huge, and it's
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Speaker 8: not lost on every Jewish person around the world. It's
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Speaker 8: again a beautiful moment. It is still early. I want
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Speaker 8: to see them all home and then we can actually celebrate.
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Speaker 8: But it seems to be a done deal, thank God.
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Speaker 8: And what we're looking at right now basically is the
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Speaker 8: manifestation of the new Middle East. The vision that was
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Speaker 8: set forth by President Shimon Perez of Israel twenty years
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Speaker 8: ago is now coming to fruition with President Trump and
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Speaker 8: Benjamin Netanyahu.
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Speaker 9: It's a beautiful thing to see.
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Speaker 8: This is certainly a bipartisan move on behalf of everybody
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Speaker 8: to get this breakthrough. This deal is more than a
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Speaker 8: more than a hostage deal or a seaes fire deal.
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Speaker 8: This deal, if it actually meant a Festus stuff and
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Speaker 8: have actually happens all the way through, brings forth a
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Speaker 8: new future for the region and a new future for Gaza,
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Speaker 8: which really all of us want. We want a future
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Speaker 8: with peace between Israel and the Palestinian people and with
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Speaker 8: no UMAs anywhere near Gaza.
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Speaker 9: And that's what we're working towards.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: As we're talking, it's very early in the morning in Israel.
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Speaker 2: Have you been in touch with family and friends this
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Speaker 2: morning early as it is, I have.
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Speaker 9: And people are awake.
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Speaker 8: And whoever was not awake, was woken up, and the
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Speaker 8: hostages are basically running to Hostage Square. I've spent many
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Speaker 8: nights there. I've spoken at the square. I've met with
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Speaker 8: families of almost all of the hostages. It's been heart
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Speaker 8: wrenching two years to follow them and be with them
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Speaker 8: and hold their hands and support them for so long.
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Speaker 8: But they're all rushing to the square to be together.
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Speaker 8: They're opening champagne bottles, They're elated, They're doing shots. You
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Speaker 8: see videos of hostage survivors that are doing shots with
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Speaker 8: their friends. It really is beautiful because we keep forgetting
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Speaker 8: that a lot of these hostages are just young people.
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Speaker 9: Emily Damari and Omashmtov and Elia Cohen in their early twenties.
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Speaker 8: All they want to do is live their lives, and
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Speaker 8: they were taking their lives, was abruptly stopped with this violent,
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Speaker 8: violent crime. And all they want to do is get
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Speaker 8: back to their lives with their friends. And that's what
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Speaker 8: seems to be happening. So I couldn't be more thrilled
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Speaker 8: for the hostages, for the hostage families, and for the
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Speaker 8: entire region.
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Speaker 9: A new Middle East is upon us. God willing.
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Speaker 2: One of the most important aspects of this deal with
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Speaker 2: the release of the hostages is that they'll all be
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Speaker 2: released at once, and presumably without the ugly theatrics that
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Speaker 2: Hamas performed in previous hostage handovers. That's an amazing thing
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Speaker 2: and obviously very appropriate, but I'm sure families will be
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Speaker 2: very relieved about that.
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Speaker 9: Yes, I am sure.
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Speaker 8: Look as a spectator, as a person from the outside
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Speaker 8: of obviously been involved in Israel advocacy but had nothing
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Speaker 8: personal with the people that have returned. I was mortified,
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Speaker 8: and it was revolting to see this spectacle, as you
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Speaker 8: called it, of putting these people on stage, emaciated and
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Speaker 8: hungry and tired and sad and broken, wounded, injured, and
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Speaker 8: kind of walking them, parading them around to men, women
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Speaker 8: and children, screaming and cheering. It was a grotesque spectacle,
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Speaker 8: to be honest, and I am very happy that Israel
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Speaker 8: set their foot down and said no more, and the
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Speaker 8: United States supported that.
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Speaker 9: It was absolutely horrific.
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Speaker 8: And I'm very happy that it's not happening again, and
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Speaker 8: the fact that all twenty live hostages will be returned
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Speaker 8: at once.
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Speaker 9: Israel was done with stage deals.
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Speaker 8: We knew that if ten more hostages will be returned
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Speaker 8: on phase one, we might not see the other ten
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Speaker 8: and we couldn't afford that. So to have them all
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Speaker 8: come back together without this grotesque display is a huge
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Speaker 8: win as well as the IDF is not moving from
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Speaker 8: the perimeter, because we need to make sure that Israel
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Speaker 8: is safe and secure, and as long as Hamas is there,
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Speaker 8: Israel needs to be there as well.
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Speaker 2: No, while there's going to be great celebration for the
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Speaker 2: families of the twenty or so living hostages, there are
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Speaker 2: about that many or more deceased hostages and it may
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Speaker 2: take longer for their bodies to be returned.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, twenty eight deceased hostages.
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Speaker 8: One of them is a female in bar Is her
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Speaker 8: name murder either on October seventh.
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Speaker 9: Or right after.
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Speaker 8: And you know, Hamas and the Islamic Jihad are saying
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Speaker 8: that they have lost some They're saying that it's hard
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Speaker 8: for them to track quote unquote the bodies. In Jewish
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Speaker 8: culture and tradition, burial is very important, so you have
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Speaker 8: to bring a dead person, a deceased person, to be buried.
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Speaker 8: And that is why the hostage families of the deceased
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Speaker 8: have been so adamant about receiving their children's bodies.
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Speaker 9: As well.
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Speaker 8: I know this is something that might be difficult to
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Speaker 8: fathom for people from outside the culture and the religion,
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Speaker 8: but nobody want to imagine this. But for those families
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Speaker 8: and for the Jewish people, it is crucial that we
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Speaker 8: return every.
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Speaker 9: Single one of them home.
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Speaker 8: This is why we've been talking about forty eight hostages
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Speaker 8: and not twenty live hostages. We've been saying we have
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Speaker 8: forty eight hostages and they all need to come back home,
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Speaker 8: and we're thrilled that it's happening.
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Speaker 2: No just before I let you go, President Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: how is he regarded in Israel right now?
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Speaker 9: An absolute hero?
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Speaker 8: And he does deserve the Nobel Prize, which I hope
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Speaker 8: he gets, if not this year the next year. Only
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Speaker 8: just for the Ebra McCord and for everything that he's
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Speaker 8: been doing in the Middle East so far. It's an
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Speaker 8: extraordinary and astonishing achievement.
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Speaker 2: Noah Tishby, thanks for talking to me on a very
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Speaker 2: historic day. We trust and pray everything goes ahead as
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Speaker 2: it's supposed to do.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on the program.
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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me well After the.
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Speaker 2: Break, the Albaneze government continues to come under fire over
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Speaker 2: their role in the ISIS bride saga plus Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: gives a stark warning about China.
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Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce will join me in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Albanezy government continues to duck and weave about
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Speaker 2: what it did or didn't do to assist ISIS brides
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Speaker 2: coming to Australia, that they obfuscate on something so obviously
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Speaker 2: important to the safety of Australians. Beggars belief and speaking
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Speaker 2: of their inability to just speak plainly on this subject.
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Speaker 2: Help Listen to Industry Minister Tim Ayres this morning, when
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Speaker 2: asked about how he felt regarding people is to support
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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization that beheaded Christians now coming back to Australia, that.
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Speaker 6: These people have traveled to a war zone and you know,
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Speaker 6: it's a it's a pretty you know, I think I
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Speaker 6: think most Australians would regard that as as as a
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Speaker 6: problem for like a behavior that is that that's that's
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Speaker 6: not certainly certainly the government's advice to people has been
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Speaker 6: do not travel to these areas.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is National's MP Barnaby Joyce. Barnaby should
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Speaker 2: Australians trust the Albanezy government to keep them safe?
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Speaker 10: Well, that Tim has sounded like a mad, mad goat
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Speaker 10: on a.
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Speaker 1: Big on ice skates.
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Speaker 10: He was all over the shop and of course we
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Speaker 10: really concerned because these people have been indoctrinated. Let's just
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Speaker 10: dispel the idea that because you're female you can't be
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Speaker 10: part of some of the most evil things that have
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Speaker 10: been perpetrated on other human beings by ISIS. We have
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Speaker 10: seen some of the literature, some of the quotes from
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Speaker 10: these people, and they were full on part of this show.
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Speaker 10: In my area, I fought for, didn't fight for. I
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Speaker 10: lobbied for the ZDI community to come into the New England.
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Speaker 10: And you should never quite yarn to them about how
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Speaker 10: ISIS treated them, raping them, murdering them, putting them into
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Speaker 10: enslaving them in prostitution, killing their children, killing their children
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Speaker 10: in front of them as they kill their husbands. This
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Speaker 10: is the cult that these people decide to be a
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Speaker 10: part of, and one of the greatest, the greatest treasures,
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Speaker 10: one of the greatest prizes in your life is to
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Speaker 10: be part of this nation, Australia. And we don't just
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Speaker 10: flippantly give it out to people who were up a
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Speaker 10: party to a murderous, insatiable, evil group which ISIS.
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Speaker 3: Was absolutely all right.
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Speaker 2: A new South Wales court has ruled against the pro
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Speaker 2: Palestine march to Sydney Opera House planned for Sunday Barnaby.
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Speaker 2: This is a victory for common sense, which is pretty
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Speaker 2: rare these days, but a victory nonetheless.
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Speaker 1: I hate to say it, big tick. Also to Premier
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Speaker 1: Chris Mins.
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Speaker 10: People just looked at it and said, no, this is idiot.
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Speaker 10: First war, We've got a peace agreement. Surely that must
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Speaker 10: mean something, So what was this about? It will just
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Speaker 10: be adjunc provocateurs, people basically on the vandwagon to push
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Speaker 10: their barrow, which is generally against the establishment. It would
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Speaker 10: have been infiltrated and participated in by people with Taliban support,
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Speaker 10: Taliban supporting.
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Speaker 1: The banners, isis supporting banners.
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Speaker 10: Is Iranian Revolutionary Guard maas terrorist organizations basically frequenting one
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Speaker 10: of the icons of our nation. We don't want our
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Speaker 10: kind of our nation desecrated with people once more who
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Speaker 10: are partied to some of the most evil things perpetrated
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Speaker 10: by one human being against another.
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Speaker 1: And that that's precisely of what would have happened.
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Speaker 10: You know, it's it's you've got to draw a line
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Speaker 10: and I want to thank those on either side, both
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Speaker 10: sides of the political fence, who'.
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Speaker 1: Said enough is enough, let's stop this.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: Of course there will be a march, it will be
21:33
Speaker 2: via a different route that will avoid the Opera House.
21:37
Speaker 2: How likely, though, do you think that some protesters will
21:40
Speaker 2: go to the Opera House anyway? I know New South
21:41
Speaker 2: Wales police have said they will be stationed there to
21:44
Speaker 2: deal with anyone who does.
21:45
Speaker 10: So I'll put one hundred bucks and they'll try and
21:50
Speaker 10: get there, because that's that's how they're going to get media,
21:53
Speaker 10: you know. And and they'll be they'll be searching for
21:55
Speaker 10: media oxygen in their in their wayward cause you know,
22:00
Speaker 10: they want to be ra Rah the uber left and
22:04
Speaker 10: this is this is the pony that they ride on.
22:06
Speaker 10: It's later on they'll get another pony. This is the
22:08
Speaker 10: pony they're riding on at the moment, and they're going
22:10
Speaker 10: to try and ride that pony right to the fore
22:11
Speaker 10: court of the Opera House and if they could, they'll
22:14
Speaker 10: ride that pony across the Harbor.
22:15
Speaker 1: Bridge and back. But it's it's.
22:19
Speaker 10: I'm hoping that people sit back and say, okay, we
22:22
Speaker 10: have a peace agreement which is supported by all the
22:25
Speaker 10: Arab states. Okay, it's obviously even supported and I don't
22:30
Speaker 10: condone them. It must be supported in some way or
22:32
Speaker 10: shaped by a musk for goodness sake. So what are
22:35
Speaker 10: you protesting about? Well, what's this about? It's your your
22:40
Speaker 10: grand your evil angel. President Trump has actually facilitated peace, Bunny.
22:48
Speaker 10: I hope you've got a big thank you note, Thank you,
22:50
Speaker 10: President Trump, one hundred percent.
22:53
Speaker 1: Good on you, well done. Let's see if they've got
22:55
Speaker 1: a banner that says that.
22:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like our chances, Barnaby, at all, no
23:02
Speaker 2: matter how much money you want to bet on that
23:04
Speaker 2: particular outcome.
23:06
Speaker 3: I want to ask you.
23:07
Speaker 2: About comments from former Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
23:11
Speaker 3: He says a Chinese invasion of.
23:12
Speaker 2: Taiwan would come at quote a terrible cost for the world.
23:17
Speaker 2: In a speech to a Taiwanese defense think tank, Scott
23:20
Speaker 2: Morrison said failing to defend Taiwan would be appeasement, and
23:24
Speaker 2: he's urged the West to ramp up defense spending and fast.
23:27
Speaker 2: Now I want to ask you about this, because you
23:30
Speaker 2: have warned about China's ambitions before.
23:33
Speaker 3: Do you agree with Scott.
23:34
Speaker 2: Morrison that the West has lost its nerve when it
23:37
Speaker 2: comes to China and we're already in appeasement mode.
23:41
Speaker 10: Well, to be quite frank, I remember being told by
23:44
Speaker 10: Scott Morrison they had to tone down my rhetoric about
23:47
Speaker 10: the concerns I had about China.
23:49
Speaker 1: I've been saying for like a decade or more.
23:52
Speaker 10: We have to become as powerful as possible, as quickly
23:54
Speaker 10: as possible, because we're the advent of a totalitarian regime.
23:58
Speaker 1: It's not the Chinese people.
23:59
Speaker 10: A totalita in regime with the unitary control that paraded
24:03
Speaker 10: some of the most ferocious weapons the other day. Those
24:05
Speaker 10: weapons weren't for Russia, or they weren't for Afghanistan, or
24:10
Speaker 10: they were That's a message to us of what's coming
24:13
Speaker 10: our way if we want to play a hardball against
24:17
Speaker 10: a totalitarian regime. And of course, if you don't stand
24:19
Speaker 10: up to them, they walk over you. That's how totalitarian
24:22
Speaker 10: regimes work. So we have to become as powerful as possible,
24:24
Speaker 10: as quickly as possible. And let's just have a little
24:26
Speaker 10: brief look at how we're going. We've got six submarines
24:29
Speaker 10: that sometimes all of them are inoperable. We're having to
24:32
Speaker 10: ask Papua New Guinea to supply our soldiers because we
24:35
Speaker 10: don't have enough. We've got two sealed roads across our nation.
24:38
Speaker 10: Not really good if you've got to move ordinances and
24:41
Speaker 10: materials across the nation.
24:42
Speaker 1: Only two one railway line.
24:45
Speaker 10: We have basically frigates that are out of date. We
24:49
Speaker 10: weren't able to in our surveillance capacity. We weren't even able.
24:52
Speaker 11: To tell that our Chinese for tilla was firing weapons
24:56
Speaker 11: to practice obviously for an attack on Australia off in
25:00
Speaker 11: the sea adjacent to Sydney.
25:03
Speaker 10: We're not going real well here. And of course right
25:07
Speaker 10: now we're still sort of thinking, oh, the will will
25:09
Speaker 10: leave us behind if China communist. If the communist China
25:14
Speaker 10: decided to take out Taiwanese, the Chinese and Taiwanese, then
25:19
Speaker 10: the most affected is US Australia because this is in
25:24
Speaker 10: our backyard.
25:25
Speaker 1: To be quite frank, the.
25:26
Speaker 10: United States and America is not going to be overly
25:29
Speaker 10: affected by China, but we will. And let's just go
25:33
Speaker 10: through three possible things that could happen as China became
25:37
Speaker 10: a hedge of many in our area.
25:38
Speaker 1: What they would enforce on us.
25:40
Speaker 10: First of all, I suggest that I would say there
25:42
Speaker 10: will be no control on immigration.
25:44
Speaker 1: If you want to go immigrate from.
25:45
Speaker 10: China to Australia, can and just remember that parade, that
25:49
Speaker 10: military parade. If you decide to argue against us. There
25:52
Speaker 10: we know controls on Chinese foreign investment. We will buy
25:55
Speaker 10: what we want, where we want, when we want. And
25:57
Speaker 10: if you don't like that idea, just remember that military
26:00
Speaker 10: parade in Beijing and what we can do. A third thing,
26:03
Speaker 10: big one from now on, we don't trade in US dollars,
26:07
Speaker 10: You trade in R and B in China's you are
26:09
Speaker 10: in and therefore China will have the value of everything
26:12
Speaker 10: in your nation. You will no longer be rich in
26:15
Speaker 10: US dollars, You'll be whatever value China determines they want
26:19
Speaker 10: you to value at.
26:22
Speaker 3: Well, the stakes are certainly very high.
26:24
Speaker 2: Let's hope the Albanezi government takes heed of Scott Morrison's
26:27
Speaker 2: warnings and indeed yours, although I'm not sure i'd put
26:31
Speaker 2: money on that one either.
26:32
Speaker 3: Barnaby, Thanks for joining me tonight.
26:35
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure.
26:36
Speaker 3: Thank you discussing with Barnaby.
26:38
Speaker 2: The New South Wales Court of Appeal has ruled against
26:40
Speaker 2: Sunday's pro Palestine demonstration at the Opera House. To explain
26:44
Speaker 2: the ruling and what it means for Sydney At the weekend.
26:47
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Chris merrit legal affairs contributor at the
26:50
Speaker 2: Australian Good Evening. To you, Chris, what exactly has the
26:53
Speaker 2: court ruled and what are the potential consequences for those
26:57
Speaker 2: who defy the ruling?
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Speaker 7: Okay, they've banned it. They've banned the proposed march from
27:04
Speaker 7: Hyde Park through the city through Sydney down to the
27:07
Speaker 7: Opera House fore Court. So if anybody leaves Hyde Park
27:13
Speaker 7: and marches through the city towards the Opera House Forecourt
27:16
Speaker 7: and enters the Opera House fore Court, the Court has
27:19
Speaker 7: made it very clear that they face potentially contempt of
27:23
Speaker 7: court proceedings and also criminal proceedings for taking part in
27:29
Speaker 7: an unauthorized, unlawful gathering. So that's the immediate problem, but
27:34
Speaker 7: the immediate solution. But the longer term impact of this
27:39
Speaker 7: decision has been overlooked and I think this is far
27:41
Speaker 7: far more significant than the immediate impact on the proposed
27:45
Speaker 7: Opera House protest. What's happened is that the Court of Appeal,
27:51
Speaker 7: which this is the highest court in New South Wales,
27:54
Speaker 7: says put a bit of backbone into the protest laws
27:58
Speaker 7: street protest law that had previously been viewed by protest
28:03
Speaker 7: organizers as a bit of a damp squib, a paper tiger.
28:09
Speaker 7: They had been approached in a series of judgments by
28:13
Speaker 7: single judges, not the Superior three Court Court of Appeal,
28:16
Speaker 7: but by single judges as requiring the facilitation of every protest.
28:23
Speaker 7: There would be conditions put in place, but the protest
28:25
Speaker 7: would go ahead regardless of whether the Court liked it
28:29
Speaker 7: or not. Now Chief Justice Bell and the Court of
28:33
Speaker 7: Appeal has put an end to that, and they've made
28:35
Speaker 7: it very clear that the provisions in the Summary Offenses
28:40
Speaker 7: Act that refer to that give the Court the ability
28:44
Speaker 7: to issue prohibition orders on these street protests in public
28:48
Speaker 7: places actually mean what they say. Until now they didn't.
28:54
Speaker 7: But Bell has turned that around and he's put some
28:56
Speaker 7: real backbone into the law. Now that will that will
29:00
Speaker 7: bind every judicial officer in New South Wales when it
29:05
Speaker 7: comes to dealing with all future applications. It doesn't mean
29:09
Speaker 7: that all applications for protests will be rejected, but some will.
29:15
Speaker 7: It means that some protests will now not go ahead.
29:20
Speaker 7: Now we get to see how this plays out, and
29:23
Speaker 7: we're also yet to see how the police and the
29:26
Speaker 7: New South Wales government will enforce the orders made by
29:30
Speaker 7: the court, making it clear that there's potential liability for
29:35
Speaker 7: people who participate in the proposed march, the one that's
29:39
Speaker 7: been now banned. But all toild this is an extremely
29:43
Speaker 7: positive development. It makes the law far more relevant at
29:47
Speaker 7: a time when Sydney and other cities have been overwhelmed
29:52
Speaker 7: by protests.
29:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:55
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think a lot of people will be
29:57
Speaker 2: very pleased that finally we've got some common sense and
30:00
Speaker 2: thank god for that. There's not a lot of common
30:03
Speaker 2: sense in Victoria. As we well know. The Victorian Premier
30:07
Speaker 2: Justin to Allen has made a big deal about tougher
30:09
Speaker 2: bail laws that would compel judges to consider community safety
30:13
Speaker 2: first and foremost. But we learned today a new guide
30:17
Speaker 2: for the States judges and magistrates still encourages the judiciary
30:20
Speaker 2: to impose the minimum intervention required in the circumstances.
30:24
Speaker 3: Let me read to you from the guide.
30:26
Speaker 2: It states a child, especially an Aboriginal child, should be
30:30
Speaker 2: released on bail with conditions wherever possible. Now that's despite
30:35
Speaker 2: Labor Premier Justin to Alan taking the social media to
30:38
Speaker 2: boast about how tough the States bail laws are.
30:43
Speaker 12: We have placed community safety as the first principle for
30:46
Speaker 12: all bail making decisions.
30:48
Speaker 7: While the community might be disappointed if they say the
30:50
Speaker 7: judges being told to you as mail as a lasters
30:52
Speaker 7: on even after they've performed, put into.
30:53
Speaker 12: Play again, I repeat the guidance that has been released
30:58
Speaker 12: reinforces the fact that the change the bay A laws
31:00
Speaker 12: have been made to put community safety first.
31:05
Speaker 2: Now, Chris, she's being a bit tricky here because judges
31:07
Speaker 2: are being told that putting community safety first is the priority.
31:11
Speaker 2: But then they're told in this guide community safety could
31:15
Speaker 2: mean removing an offender from the community so as not
31:18
Speaker 2: to commit more crimes, but it could also mean keeping
31:22
Speaker 2: an offender out of prison so they don't become criminalized
31:26
Speaker 2: and commit more crimes down the track.
31:30
Speaker 7: Well, as all good judges would know, if there's any
31:34
Speaker 7: conflict between the law and a non statutory guide, ignore
31:39
Speaker 7: the guide and obey the law, And I'd say that's
31:41
Speaker 7: what needs to happen in this case. But if you
31:44
Speaker 7: look at the substance of this argument that there are
31:46
Speaker 7: two aspects to community safety, the second aspect that the
31:52
Speaker 7: second argument that locking people up or not locking people
31:56
Speaker 7: up prevents them graduating to become better criminals. That's a
32:00
Speaker 7: little bit too remote, it's a little bit too cute
32:02
Speaker 7: to my mind. It makes two big assumptions, one that
32:06
Speaker 7: they will graduate to become better criminals, and two that
32:09
Speaker 7: they will then damage community safety, Whereas what's clearly intended
32:14
Speaker 7: is to remove dangerous people from the community. So if
32:20
Speaker 7: I were a judicial officer, I would obey the law first.
32:26
Speaker 3: Just quickly before I'll let you go.
32:28
Speaker 2: Chris, what did you make of the guideline that says
32:32
Speaker 2: to be lenient on children, especially indigenous children. Does that
32:35
Speaker 2: not start to inject race into our court decisions?
32:40
Speaker 7: Look, it's a direct attack on one of the fundamental
32:44
Speaker 7: principles of the rule of law, which is equal treatment
32:48
Speaker 7: under the law. Everybody should be subject to the same law,
32:52
Speaker 7: and treated exactly the same by the judicial system, by
32:55
Speaker 7: the police, by the state, in fact, regardless of race, religion,
33:00
Speaker 7: national origin, anything. That's what it means to live in
33:05
Speaker 7: a democracy governed by.
33:06
Speaker 1: The rule of law.
33:09
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, Chris Merrit, thanks so much for your time tonight.
33:13
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break, but stick around.
33:15
Speaker 3: Coming up.
33:15
Speaker 2: A Muslim cleric appointed to the New South Wales government's
33:19
Speaker 2: Faith Affairs Council is caught pushing pro Palestine lines and
33:23
Speaker 2: suggesting Hamas.
33:25
Speaker 3: Shouldn't be labeled a terror group.
33:27
Speaker 2: Pretty shocking, and even more so when you consider he's
33:29
Speaker 2: been advising the government on Jewish safety. My panel and
33:33
Speaker 2: I will discuss that story in more in just a moment.
33:39
Speaker 3: Well, the New South Wales.
33:40
Speaker 2: Labor government has a Faith Affairs Council. It's a panel
33:44
Speaker 2: of religious leaders advising on how to weave diversity into
33:48
Speaker 2: government policy. Sounds noble, I suppose, except one member, a
33:52
Speaker 2: Muslim cleric, has been pushing pro Palestine policies at his
33:56
Speaker 2: local mosque, including that Hamas and has Bela should no
34:00
Speaker 2: longer be labeled terror organizations. New South Wales Minister for
34:04
Speaker 2: Multiculturalism Stephen Camper, who praised Dtor L Samael's caliber when
34:10
Speaker 2: appointing him to the Religious Council of Affairs, now says
34:15
Speaker 2: sermons given by doctor Samael when at his local mosque
34:19
Speaker 2: were not consistent with the role of the Faith Affairs Council.
34:24
Speaker 2: For his part, Doctor L Samal apologized for his comments
34:27
Speaker 2: when confronted by The Daily Telegraph, joining me now as
34:30
Speaker 2: my panel, Jema Tornini and Christy McSweeney. Jemma Christy, welcome
34:35
Speaker 2: to the program. I'll start with you, Jemma. This cleric
34:38
Speaker 2: was helping advise the New South Wales government on policies.
34:42
Speaker 3: To keep the Jewish community safe.
34:45
Speaker 2: Now it turns out of his local mosque he's talking
34:49
Speaker 2: about the fact that Hamas shouldn't be regarded as a
34:51
Speaker 2: terror organization, nor should hez Bala.
34:54
Speaker 3: Can you believe this?
34:56
Speaker 13: Well, it's disappointing to hear it, and I I think
35:00
Speaker 13: if you look at this role as a privilege, because
35:03
Speaker 13: it is a privilege to take part in a role
35:06
Speaker 13: that affects policies that guide the state in which we live,
35:10
Speaker 13: particularly at this time and particularly on this issue. And
35:14
Speaker 13: given that the cleric in question has apologized for his comments,
35:17
Speaker 13: and given that the minister has said that they are
35:20
Speaker 13: not congruent with the role, I don't know why he's
35:23
Speaker 13: still in that role. I think any reasonable person would
35:25
Speaker 13: ask the same question. And if you sort of overlay
35:28
Speaker 13: this circumstance with the filter, for example, of a workplace,
35:32
Speaker 13: you would also question why that person is still in
35:35
Speaker 13: that role. I wouldn't feel comfortable if I was in
35:38
Speaker 13: our Jewish community, and certainly as a member of the
35:41
Speaker 13: broader community. I don't feel comfortable knowing that that person's views,
35:46
Speaker 13: that those are his views. He's stated that he's apologized
35:49
Speaker 13: for the views. Does that mean he's changed those views
35:51
Speaker 13: and had to come to Jesus pardon the pun moment
35:55
Speaker 13: and change those views? I mean, only he knows that,
35:59
Speaker 13: But I think I think if you were wanting to
36:02
Speaker 13: instill confidence in the public that the people on this
36:05
Speaker 13: panel and in this role are up to the task,
36:11
Speaker 13: I would probably reconsider whether he's the right fit.
36:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure there would have been a come
36:18
Speaker 3: to Jesus moment. Christy. You know, what's the lesson here
36:21
Speaker 3: for the multi I know what you meant.
36:24
Speaker 2: What's the lesson Christy? For the multicultural Affairs minister?
36:28
Speaker 14: Here?
36:28
Speaker 3: Is there something he could perhaps learn?
36:31
Speaker 15: No, Look, of course there's a number of lessons that
36:33
Speaker 15: he could learn.
36:34
Speaker 16: Look, governments routinely appoint these committees in Canberra. I worked
36:39
Speaker 16: on the appointment of the committee when we did the
36:42
Speaker 16: Religious Discrimination Bill legislation, trying to consult with all the
36:47
Speaker 16: interfaith groups and so governments look for people to appoint
36:53
Speaker 16: who represent various religions in our community. Unfortunately, they've got
36:59
Speaker 16: this one role. And I'm going to point out as
37:02
Speaker 16: well it is embarrassing for Chris Mins. Of course he's
37:05
Speaker 16: done his best to block the protests across the city
37:10
Speaker 16: harbor Bridge, who was overdone by the judiciary. He was
37:12
Speaker 16: overdone by members of his own cabinet. There is a
37:17
Speaker 16: strong pro Palestinian element in the New South Wales left
37:22
Speaker 16: and we know that that's where the Prime Minister comes from.
37:25
Speaker 16: And unfortunately, you know, Chris Means is wide a bit
37:28
Speaker 16: of a battle inside cabinet.
37:30
Speaker 15: This is just another example of.
37:34
Speaker 16: Things that get passed and unfortunately the Premier has done
37:38
Speaker 16: his best for the Jewish people of New South Wales
37:39
Speaker 16: and Australia, but he's had members of his cabinet.
37:42
Speaker 15: Who perhaps haven't.
37:44
Speaker 16: Yes, the cleric has apologized, Yes, the minister has apologized,
37:48
Speaker 16: but I think he needs to sack. It's deeply offensive
37:52
Speaker 16: to Jewish Australians and non Jewish Australians who found that
37:56
Speaker 16: reprehensible language.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have thought so.
38:02
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Queensland for a minute, because
38:04
Speaker 2: the police force there has decided and environmentally decided that
38:09
Speaker 2: they want environmentally friendly car.
38:11
Speaker 3: Chases or at least that's the way I read this story.
38:13
Speaker 2: They've gone and bought four hundred Toyota rav four hybrid vehicles,
38:18
Speaker 2: but elked internal memo warns the hybrid batteries will overheat
38:23
Speaker 2: during extreme conditions, which I guess means Queensland weather and
38:27
Speaker 2: police chases, and this triggers the vehicle's limp mode and
38:31
Speaker 2: forces the vehicle to stop until the system cools. So Jimmy,
38:35
Speaker 2: in the middle of a crime crisis, should governments really
38:37
Speaker 2: be prioritizing pursuit vehicles that stop pursuing if it gets
38:41
Speaker 2: bad for the environment?
38:43
Speaker 13: I mean, is there a worse word to use when
38:46
Speaker 13: you're describing the police's capacity to pursue a criminal than limp?
38:49
Speaker 13: Like that's that's pretty bad. But this is one area
38:54
Speaker 13: of policy that shouldn't shouldn't be driven by, you know,
38:58
Speaker 13: climate considerations. You want them most suitable vehicle for the job.
39:02
Speaker 13: We want our police who are on the front line
39:05
Speaker 13: to be equipped with the best tools to do their
39:09
Speaker 13: jobs safely for their own safety and the safety of
39:12
Speaker 13: the community. And giving them a car that's likely to
39:15
Speaker 13: conk out. As you say, James, you know extreme weather, well,
39:19
Speaker 13: that would be Queensland in the summer, you know, hard
39:21
Speaker 13: to all my family up in Graceville and ininjra Pilly.
39:24
Speaker 13: But you know, I don't understand how these well, actually,
39:28
Speaker 13: you know what I do understand how these policies get
39:30
Speaker 13: through it. It's bureaucracy that doesn't have a connection to
39:33
Speaker 13: the real world. And I don't mean that to be disrespectful.
39:35
Speaker 13: It's just as evidenced by cases like this.
39:41
Speaker 3: Christy.
39:41
Speaker 2: You just give police V eight mustangs, I think yes,
39:46
Speaker 2: we'd probably get more people being recruited to the police
39:48
Speaker 2: force if that's what they got to drive to.
39:52
Speaker 16: Are these the best vehicles available for high pursuit police work?
39:57
Speaker 16: Are they? And that should be the only cried to
40:00
Speaker 16: your ear? I'm going to just say it is a
40:04
Speaker 16: little bit of an embarrassing story, isn't it.
40:07
Speaker 15: When the Queensland government has.
40:09
Speaker 16: Been so successful in their crime policy and essentially won
40:13
Speaker 16: the election, particularly north of Brisbane, winning back all of
40:17
Speaker 16: those regional seats, which, of course crime and the issues
40:22
Speaker 16: in regional Queensland around crime and youth crime were one
40:25
Speaker 16: of those reasons why they won the election. I think
40:28
Speaker 16: the least they can do is give the police the
40:31
Speaker 16: best tools to implement the policy.
40:35
Speaker 15: Sorry Queensland.
40:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right, Jim Christy really appreciate your joining me.
40:43
Speaker 3: Thanks for your time tonight. Well, we're going to go
40:46
Speaker 3: to a break.
40:46
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll go to the UK where
40:49
Speaker 2: police alleged the Manchester Synagogue attacker pledged his allegiance to
40:54
Speaker 2: ISIS mid rampage.
40:56
Speaker 3: So why wasn't he on their radar?
40:58
Speaker 2: And kiss Darma's digital ID plan sparks more fears of
41:02
Speaker 2: a checkpoint state. Patrick Christie's will join me in a moment.
41:09
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. I want to go to
41:10
Speaker 2: the UK now, where a high profile espionage case against
41:15
Speaker 2: two men accused of spying for China has collapsed, with
41:19
Speaker 2: the UK's most senior prosecutor accusing the government of failing
41:22
Speaker 2: to deliver evidence referring to China as a national security threat.
41:27
Speaker 2: Critics are calling it a muddle that's left national security
41:30
Speaker 2: exposed and the Prime Minister's China policy under file. Let's
41:33
Speaker 2: get into it with my next guest, GB News host
41:36
Speaker 2: Patrick Christie's. Patrick, thanks for joining me tonight. This whole
41:40
Speaker 2: case seems to have been bungled. Just outline for us
41:43
Speaker 2: what exactly happened.
41:45
Speaker 14: Yeah, okay, right, so basically, two people who were political
41:50
Speaker 14: staffers in this country were, as you said, accused of
41:53
Speaker 14: spying for China. The government therefore would have had to
41:56
Speaker 14: have provided some evidence of that and say in amongst
41:59
Speaker 14: that that China can be classes either an enemy or
42:02
Speaker 14: a national security threat.
42:03
Speaker 4: Pretty straightforward, you would have thought. However, step forward.
42:07
Speaker 14: Comrade kir Chairman Starmer, and they have refused to describe
42:13
Speaker 14: China as that, and therefore the case is collapsed. Big
42:16
Speaker 14: issue this to cirkis Darmer because you mentioned there that
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Speaker 14: the head of the Civil Service has now come out
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Speaker 14: and said that he doesn't believe Sircus Armer's explanation for this.
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Speaker 14: The head of MI six has now done it, the
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Speaker 14: director of the Public Prosecutions has done it, and the
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Speaker 14: head of the Crown Prosecution Service. All of them have
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Speaker 14: thrown Circus Foma under the bus.
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Speaker 4: And it's very serious questions.
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Speaker 14: Is our government just scared of China or is it
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Speaker 14: infested with what we would call reds in the bed
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Speaker 14: And Sircus Darmer's national security advisor it has emerged met
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Speaker 14: with a quote malign Chinese organization just months before he
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Speaker 14: entered government. We have to have a look at this
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Speaker 14: green deal that we've signed with China as well, which
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Speaker 14: is now completely secret. We are not allowed to know
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Speaker 14: what's in that.
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Speaker 4: Why not? That's bizarre. And you might remember that we
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Speaker 4: gave away the.
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Speaker 14: Chego Silist and Mariitius not so long ago and actually
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Speaker 14: are paying them for the privilege of it. Well, at
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Speaker 14: the time, everyone was saying this only really makes sense
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Speaker 14: if you want to empower China. And now you have
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Speaker 14: to look at all of this stuff collectively here and
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Speaker 14: wonder what on earth is going on. Is it just
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Speaker 14: that we're too scared to call China an enemy? Or
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Speaker 14: is there something more sinister happening right at the hearts
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Speaker 14: of the British government?
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Speaker 4: So are they going to get words for the Prime
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Speaker 4: minister this?
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Speaker 2: It's an absolutely bizarre situation. I'm just astonished by that story.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the tira A Tech the
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Speaker 2: other week. British police have confirmed the man behind last
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Speaker 2: week synagogue Attech, j had al Chami, called nine to
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Speaker 2: nine nine, that's the emergency number mid rampage to pledge
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Speaker 2: his allegiance to isis how come he wasn't on some
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Speaker 2: here're a watch list?
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Speaker 4: Honest? He's absolutely baffling this.
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Speaker 14: So firstly he's called mister j Had, so there were
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Speaker 14: signs there, weren't there.
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Speaker 4: It's emerged now that he.
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Speaker 14: Had three wives as well, which is illegal in Britain.
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Speaker 14: Was he married to any of these wives in one
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Speaker 14: of these Sharia courts in Britain that supposedly don't exist
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Speaker 14: but absolutely do. Then it turns out that he's actively
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Speaker 14: told the emergency services that he's a card carrying member
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Speaker 14: of Islamic State during the attack. Is then immers he
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Speaker 14: was reported to police by his neighbors five years ago.
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Speaker 14: His father has written some pretty fruity Facebook posts about Hamas,
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Speaker 14: and police, believe it or not, are still saying they're
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Speaker 14: trying to find out exactly what the motive is. Well,
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Speaker 14: I'm not funny. I think we all know, don't we.
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Speaker 14: There are now questions in this country about whether or
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Speaker 14: not the police are not being completely upfront about this
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Speaker 14: going full blown. This is absolutely one hundred percent is
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Speaker 14: a miss terror attack because of that horrific frame. Not
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Speaker 14: wanting to stoke racial tensions, but yeah, it looks as
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Speaker 14: though he came out and just said as he was
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Speaker 14: killing Jews that he was doing this for Islamic state.
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Speaker 4: So it does seem pretty cuss and dry as a case.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not so sure, Patrick.
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Speaker 2: I think the motive is very mysterious and we'll probably
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Speaker 2: never really know what was behind it.
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Speaker 3: We shouldn't laugh, but.
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Speaker 2: I mean you have to laugh because it's just so ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: People aren't laughing about Kirs Starmer's digital ID. It's fast
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Speaker 2: turning into a political nightmare. He plans to tie as
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Speaker 2: I understand it, the digital idea to things like tax records,
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Speaker 2: welfare benefits, even school enrollments would require a government ID.
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Speaker 2: Critics are accusing him of setting up a checkpoint state.
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Speaker 2: Of course Kiirstarmer, Patrick says it's all voluntary and it's
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Speaker 2: all about convenience. Should Brits believe him?
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Speaker 14: Well, this actually ties in a little bit with the
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Speaker 14: first story we spoke about, doesn't it, Because you know
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Speaker 14: who has an aggressive social credit system China based around
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Speaker 14: digital identification.
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Speaker 4: But there we go. Can I just point out something
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Speaker 4: really funny as well?
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Speaker 14: It's not just about tax records, welfare, school placements and
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Speaker 14: NHS appointments, all of that stuff. The original designers of
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Speaker 14: this app also wanted to implement a feature in it
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Speaker 14: where you could report your neighbors if they were making
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Speaker 14: too much noise and that would damage their quotes community score. Right,
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Speaker 14: So this is how extreme this app is supposedly going
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Speaker 14: to be. We could all see the direction of travel.
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Speaker 14: We are not a papers please first society. We are
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Speaker 14: certainly not a checkpoint society. The only reason you could
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Speaker 14: possibly want to introduce this in would realistically be for
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Speaker 14: increased state control of our lives.
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Speaker 4: And now you've got.
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Speaker 14: People like Nigel Farag, leader of Reform, saying he would
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Speaker 14: rather go to prison than have a digital ied D card.
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Speaker 14: And I wonder if maybe Turkis Starma has finally figured
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Speaker 14: out how to beat Nigel Farrag at the next election
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Speaker 14: is just to lock him up.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's another issue on which Nigel Farage I'm sure
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Speaker 2: will increase his popularity if they don't send him to jail.
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Speaker 2: Just before we finish stand up, comedian Sir Lenny Henry
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Speaker 2: has co written a new book that's been taken seriously
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Speaker 2: by some called The Big Payback, arguing modern racism stems
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Speaker 2: from the slave trade, so every black British person should
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Speaker 2: receive financial compensation at a total cost of eighteen trillion
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Speaker 2: dollars he can't be serious.
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Speaker 14: Well, you mentioned he's a comedian there. I think this
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Speaker 14: is probably his sickest joke yet. There are two point
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Speaker 14: four million black people in Britain. Just to give you
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Speaker 14: a bit of context, one thousand illegal immigrants actually crossed
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Speaker 14: the English Channel yesterday. Let's just for the sake of argument,
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Speaker 14: let's just say that five hundred of them are black.
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Speaker 14: Once we give them a British passport, do we also
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Speaker 14: have to give them reparations as well as a house,
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Speaker 14: free healthcare and everything else. Most black people in Britain
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Speaker 14: as well, unfortunately for Lenny Henry, came directly from Africa
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Speaker 14: or our that I descended people who came directly from Africa,
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Speaker 14: so they're not part of this kind of you know,
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Speaker 14: heritage of Caribbean slave trade that he likes to go
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Speaker 14: on about. So yeah, I meant pretty shocking stuff really
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Speaker 14: to suggest that we all eighteen trillion quiz worth of
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Speaker 14: reparations for black people in Britain. And I'm not really
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Speaker 14: sure how it would work in practice, and if Lenny
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Speaker 14: Henry cares about the fact that that.
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Speaker 4: Might be everybody.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a ridiculous idea.
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Speaker 2: As I said, it would cost trillions of dollars, and
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that just giving money to every black
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Speaker 2: person in the UK is going to magically stop racism.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, like you said, he's a comedian and I
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Speaker 2: suppose that proposals should be taken as such. Patrick Christie's
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Speaker 2: great to speak with you, Thanks for joining me. That's
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Speaker 2: all I've got time for tonight. Coming up right now
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