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Sharri | 1 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Danikiti Giorgio
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Speaker 2: filling in tonight for Shari Markson coming up. Anthony Alberizi
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Speaker 2: takes credit for Donald Trump's garzape steel, claiming his recognition
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Speaker 2: of Palestine gave the US president momentum.
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Speaker 1: What planet is he living on?
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Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Liberal Senator Mikaylia Cash shortly. The
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Speaker 2: PM spent six days in China and what do we
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Speaker 2: get in return? A ban on BHP's iron ore.
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Speaker 1: What a great trade off?
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Speaker 2: And the UKPMS gets so desperate he dedicates his whole
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Speaker 2: address to party faithful to attacking Nigel Farage. I'll go
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Speaker 2: to London shortly for the latest but first tonight. In
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Speaker 2: the last few minutes, we've heard some disturbing breaking news.
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Speaker 2: To mark the second anniversary of the October seven massacre,
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Speaker 2: pro Palestine activists will descend on the Sydney Opera House
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Speaker 2: to protest what they claim has been a jenn acidal
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Speaker 2: campaign by Israel. The Palestine Action Group cannot even leave
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Speaker 2: one of our national monuments alone on the anniversary of
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Speaker 2: the largest slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust. Now they
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Speaker 2: say they will march on the Opera House on October twelve.
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Speaker 2: This is truly an absolute disgrace because remember the last
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Speaker 2: protest at the Opera House where the.
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Speaker 1: Israeli flag was set alight.
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Speaker 2: The chant gas the Jews was investigated by police and
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Speaker 2: later deemed to be where are the Jews? Jews were
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Speaker 2: told to stay home and not go into the city,
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Speaker 2: and those images went worldwide. Then in August, of course,
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Speaker 2: another hijacking of a national monument, when anti Israel protesters
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Speaker 2: marched across the Sydney Harbor Bridge. Death to the IDF
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Speaker 2: was chanted, a portrait of the Ayatola of Iran was
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Speaker 2: carried across. What an absolute disgrace on our national icon.
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Speaker 2: And now it's about to happen for a third time.
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Speaker 2: These people are not just anti Israel, they are anti Australia.
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Speaker 2: Our values are being eroded daily and we are all
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Speaker 2: paying the price for it.
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Speaker 1: Well, fresh from.
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Speaker 2: His overseas odyssey, the Prime Minister is back on home
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Speaker 2: soil and already all out of ideas. On the domestic front,
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Speaker 2: Labour has come up with a plan for first home
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Speaker 2: buyers under a five percent deposit scheme which came into
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Speaker 2: effect today all but hang on, it comes with this
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Speaker 2: caveat for house prices.
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Speaker 3: It will have a minimal impact. There will be a
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Speaker 3: slight increase in prices, but already one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 3: five thousand Australians have benefited from this scheme with minimal
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Speaker 3: impact on prices. Treasury did modeling. They suggest a very
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Speaker 3: small increase.
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Speaker 1: So let me get this right.
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Speaker 2: This is a pol designed to fix the housing crisis,
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Speaker 2: get more ossies into homes, yet it will make house
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Speaker 2: prices go up, and not to mention, it means first
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Speaker 2: home buyers will have to borrow more and save less.
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Speaker 1: More buyers, fewer homes and higher prices.
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Speaker 2: It's a complete and utter dud, a quick political fix
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Speaker 2: tricking first home buyers into thinking labor has your back,
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Speaker 2: but in reality the great Ossie dream is further out
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Speaker 2: of reach.
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Speaker 1: Is this seriously the best.
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Speaker 2: Elbow and the Housing Minister Clara O'Neil could come up with,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe we we should cut the minister
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Speaker 2: some slacks. She had a busy month of all this,
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Speaker 2: of course, focusing on the engagement of Taylor Swift and
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Speaker 2: here is a prime example of a couple who can
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Speaker 2: actually afford a home. So good to know that the
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Speaker 2: housing crisis is over, at least for celebrities. Maybe that
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Speaker 2: is the standard of which the Minister forms housing policies on.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps that's why she couldn't even explain what it all
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Speaker 2: means today. The economics are, according to experts, you are
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Speaker 2: who are putting adding demand into a hot property market.
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Speaker 4: What we are doing here is genuinely opening up home
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Speaker 4: ownership to a generation of young people.
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Speaker 1: Now, now bridge prices go up, Bridge I have to pay more.
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Speaker 4: Bridget has talked there about the fact that we've got
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Speaker 4: a generation of young people growing up in our country
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Speaker 4: who are telling us they're delaying starting a family.
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Speaker 1: If you increase demand and not supply, the prices will
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Speaker 1: go up.
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Speaker 4: Really respectfully, that that the Department of Treasury, the best
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Speaker 4: economists in the country have looked at this. That is
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Speaker 4: not the finding that they've made.
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Speaker 2: Now, Look, we have to get first home buyers into
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Speaker 2: the market as much as we have to get every
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Speaker 2: day ausies into housing. Already, house prices across the country
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Speaker 2: are at record highs. On the current trajectory, property prices
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Speaker 2: are expected to reach seven point eight percent by the
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Speaker 2: end of December.
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Speaker 1: That's up from the initial projection of four.
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Speaker 2: Percent, and now they're about to go even higher at
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Speaker 2: a five percent deposit scheme. To the mix, it's the
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Speaker 2: perfect store. And the issue is this still does not
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Speaker 2: solve the problem. It's an issue Labor does not want
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Speaker 2: to solve. Immigration. The only thing that's propping up the
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Speaker 2: Ponzi scheme economy. Labor is bringing in migrants at record levels,
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Speaker 2: which is putting phenomenal pressure on the housing market. Yet
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Speaker 2: here was Albo today spinning it via a roller coaster
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Speaker 2: of emotions that it was other factors at play.
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Speaker 3: They understand that we need to boost supply, and we
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Speaker 3: need to boost supply. We are dealing with supply. We're
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Speaker 3: increasing supply.
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Speaker 4: Our government absolutely understands that the housing affordability issues faced
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Speaker 4: by the country are solved by housing supply.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like as a press conference when on the
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Speaker 2: tone change we need to boost housing supply.
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Speaker 1: We're increasing supply.
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Speaker 2: Look, Labor is already failing to reach its own targets.
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Speaker 2: Leak Treasury Advice revealed Labour's national housing accord target of
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Speaker 2: one point two million homes between twenty twenty four and
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine will not be met.
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Speaker 1: But the Treasurer says everything is fine.
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Speaker 5: Our housing target is ambitious, but it's achievable if every
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Speaker 5: he does their bit and we're doing our bit. And
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Speaker 5: what the figures have shown over the last three years
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Speaker 5: is whether it's construction costs, whether it's dwelling approvals, whether
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Speaker 5: it's new investments, we've been able to turn that around.
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Speaker 1: This is just not true.
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Speaker 2: Latest dwelling approvals for July release yesterday shows approvals are
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Speaker 2: twenty two percent behind the National Housing Accords five year
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Speaker 2: goal of twenty thousand dwellings per month. In the year
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Speaker 2: to August, just over one hundred and eighty nine thousand
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Speaker 2: dwellings were approved for construction. That's almost fifty one thousand
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Speaker 2: fewer than Labour's target of two hundred and forty thousand
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Speaker 2: homes a year, and that does not even guarantee construction.
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Speaker 2: Labour has failed to deliver a single housing target. Housing
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Speaker 2: affordability is at its worst level in more than two decades.
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Speaker 2: Approval rates are the worst in the last twelve months.
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Speaker 2: Building approvals are at twenty year lows, and the Opposition
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Speaker 2: is rightly asking questions now.
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Speaker 6: The government's signature housing policy, the Housing Australia Future Fund
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Speaker 6: has delivered the equivalent of single digit homes in the
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Speaker 6: Sydney market. They haven't spent nearly any of the money
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Speaker 6: that has been appropriated to them. They are very cagy
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Speaker 6: about the figures. They're promising more homes in the future,
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Speaker 6: but their contribution to the housing supply at the moment
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Speaker 6: is basically negligible.
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Speaker 2: As I said, the only genuine solution to the shortfall
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Speaker 2: is to reduce immigration because it's having a huge impact.
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Speaker 2: If current trends continue, net permanent and long term arrivals
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Speaker 2: could reach almost six hundred thousand by December.
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Speaker 1: Where are we going to put all these people?
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Speaker 2: Anyone looking for a rental right now knows just how
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Speaker 2: tight the market is. Have a look at the latest
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Speaker 2: rental vacancy rates Sydney at one point four percent, Melbourne
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Speaker 2: one point eight percent, Brisbane one percent, zero point seven
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Speaker 2: in Perth and zero.
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Speaker 1: Point eight in Adelai. It's so tight out there.
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Speaker 2: Yet March this year saw massive immigration numbers one hundred
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Speaker 2: and ten thousand that is well above recent averages. Labour's
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Speaker 2: Big Australia policy is ruining this country. Economist Leaf Van Nonslin,
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Speaker 2: who has been at the forefront of this immigration debate, writes,
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Speaker 2: the cheapest, easiest and fastest solution to Australia's housing supply
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Speaker 2: problem is to reduce net overseas migration to a level
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Speaker 2: that is well below the capacity to supply housing and infrastructure.
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Speaker 2: Australia's politicians and so called experts paint Australia's housing crisis
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Speaker 2: as a lack of supply. However, the crisis is primarily
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Speaker 2: a problem of excessive population demand. So Labour can get
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Speaker 2: out there with these placards, quick fixes and political solutions
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Speaker 2: to get first home buyers into the market. But this
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Speaker 2: is a dangerous policy. Young Nossies will be plunged into
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Speaker 2: more debt. There are no capsule limits on the number
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Speaker 2: of places available under the scheme. House prices will go
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Speaker 2: up as a result every day. Aussies will continue to
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Speaker 2: be locked out of the market as a result. And
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Speaker 2: the solution is to have the courage to debate migration.
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Speaker 2: Our country is depending on it in more ways than one.
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Speaker 2: Now you recall we spoke last night about Anthony Aarbenesi
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Speaker 2: positioning himself as some sort of intermediary in the peace
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Speaker 2: plan put forward by Donald Trump to end the war
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Speaker 2: in Gaza. Now, if peace is ever found in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East, it certainly would have nothing to do with
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Speaker 2: Anthony Aarberesi nor Penny Wong masquerading as foreign policy experts
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Speaker 2: on the world stage.
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Speaker 1: Yet the PM welcome the.
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Speaker 2: Deal today on the table like he was the one
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Speaker 2: dictating the terms.
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Speaker 3: Australa has long called for a ceasefire. We have called
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Speaker 3: for the hostages to be released and for Hamas to
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Speaker 3: give up it to arms.
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Speaker 2: Oh so, what was was all the Prime Minister of
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Speaker 2: US Australia, was it? Yes, it's if he's played a
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Speaker 2: role because he's called for a cease fire a couple
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Speaker 2: of times.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is a bloke who has spent.
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Speaker 2: The past two weeks living out his boyhood fantasy on
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Speaker 2: the world stage in recognizing a Palestinian state for a
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Speaker 2: state that doesn't even exist, and now welcomes and pats
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Speaker 2: himself on the back for Donald Trump actually offering up
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Speaker 2: a genuine deal to bring peace to the conflict, to bring.
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Speaker 1: An end to it. But g the ego of Albow
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Speaker 1: knows no bounds.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has sat down for an interview with
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Speaker 2: nine newspapers on his private jet while on his way
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Speaker 2: back home from his worldwide odyssey. The paper says Albanezi
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Speaker 2: cut a casual figure in a new South Wales blue
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Speaker 2: state of origin jersey with his name on the back
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Speaker 2: team Albow all the way, all about himself in more
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Speaker 2: ways than one, and that is the very problem the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is now outwardly nominating himself as.
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Speaker 1: The catalyst for the Gaza piece steal.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Aarberesi says Australia's decision to recognize a Palestinian state
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Speaker 2: actually helped encourage Israel and the US to agree to
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Speaker 2: the peace plan. He says, undoubtedly it was motivated by
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Speaker 2: positive momentum. I said when I spoke originally about our
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Speaker 2: intention to recognize, that we would do so at a
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Speaker 2: time that helped to create the momentum and that it
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Speaker 2: couldn't just be a gesture. And this is truly extraordinary. Truly,
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Speaker 2: this Prime Minister actually thinks he has created.
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Speaker 1: Momentum for peace.
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Speaker 2: When you think about it, it's actually astonishing to try
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Speaker 2: and get your head around what momentum is he talking about,
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Speaker 2: because his woeful and weak grand standing has actually halted
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Speaker 2: efforts to end the war. Don't forget how Maas has
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Speaker 2: on multiple occasions praised this Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: This still is on the table not because.
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Speaker 2: Of Anthony Arbernesi and his lefty friends rewarding terror on
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Speaker 2: the world's stage in recognizing a Palestinian state. It's not
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Speaker 2: because Anthony Albernezi has called for a ceasefire one hundred times.
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Speaker 1: The only pathway to peace has been because of.
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Speaker 2: Israel's sustained military operation, which has slowly dismantled her MUSS
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Speaker 2: and its operations, something Anthony Aarberenezi and Penny Wong have
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Speaker 2: warned against. Wong even called for restraint the day after
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Speaker 2: the October seven massacre. Yet the PM went on to
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Speaker 2: tell nine newspapers we wanted to ensure it made a
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Speaker 2: positive difference, and I believe it did. Sometimes out of
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Speaker 2: the darkest period comes a sliver of light and there
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Speaker 2: needs to be change. What warped universe is he living in?
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Speaker 2: The pathway to peace has been because of Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: the only leader with the moral courage to rid harmus
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Speaker 2: out of the world, back in Israel for its war
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Speaker 2: against terror and actually put a forward a plan.
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Speaker 1: I mean, all you have to.
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Speaker 2: Do is listen to the difference in rhetoric between Labour
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Speaker 2: and Trump.
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Speaker 1: On this very.
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Speaker 3: I think it is always the right thing for Australia
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Speaker 3: to urge restraints in the protection of civilian lives. We
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Speaker 3: condemn as a government any indiscriminate attacks and targeting of
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Speaker 3: sivilian infrastructure, including hospitals. We have consistently said we wish
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Speaker 3: to see de escalation.
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Speaker 7: We believe a.
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Speaker 6: Whid a regional conflict is not in the interest of
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Speaker 6: any of the peoples of the region.
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Speaker 3: Whether Israeli or Palestinia. Every innocent life matters.
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Speaker 1: Compare that to Donald Trump.
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Speaker 8: If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt
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Speaker 8: your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I
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Speaker 8: get into office, all hell will break out in the
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Speaker 8: Middle East, and it will not be good for Hamas,
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Speaker 8: and it will not be good frankly for anyone.
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Speaker 9: All hell will break out.
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Speaker 8: I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: It cuts a contrasting figure, doesn't it. Anthony Arbeneasy and
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Speaker 2: Pennywong have been pro Palestine from day one. Last week
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Speaker 2: I saw a pathetic conger line of leaders line up
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Speaker 2: at the United Nations to recognize a Palestinian state It
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Speaker 2: was never ever going to be anything other than a
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Speaker 2: symbolic gesture and would have absolutely zero impact on any
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Speaker 2: peace plan.
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Speaker 1: And that's just the point. There was no plan put
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Speaker 1: forward by any of those leaders for peace. All it
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Speaker 1: did was reward.
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Speaker 2: Him us and now we have actual action thanks to
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Speaker 2: the strong leadership of Donald Trump, not from the self
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Speaker 2: obsessed albow from Australia. Know perhaps he's seeking a Nobel
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Speaker 2: Peace prize himself. One thing is for sure, Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 2: is all about team Albo and Team Albo only. John
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Speaker 2: May Now is tonight's panel, former Victorian Liberal Party President
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger and former Labor Minister Graham Richardson.
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Speaker 1: Hi do you both? Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: I want to begin tonight with that breaking news that
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Speaker 2: I brought to our viewers at the start. To mark
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Speaker 2: the second anniversary of the October seven mass, pro Palestine
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Speaker 2: activists will descend on the Sydney Opera House to protest
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Speaker 2: what they claim has been a genocidal campaign by Israel.
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Speaker 1: The Palestine Action Group.
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Speaker 2: Cannot even leave one of our national monuments alone on
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Speaker 2: this anniversary. They say that they're going to march on
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Speaker 2: the Opera House on October ten. Michael, Look, what's your
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Speaker 2: reaction to this? Here we go again for a third
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Speaker 2: time on a national monument.
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Speaker 10: It's pretty sickening. That statement they released tonight says October
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Speaker 10: seven marks the second anniversary of well, we're all thinking
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Speaker 10: the Hamas Palestinian savages beheading Jews. No, they say it
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Speaker 10: marks the second anniversary of Israel's genocide against Palestine. Seriously,
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Speaker 10: they then go on to say, on two occasions in
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Speaker 10: this statement, six hundred and eighty thousand Palestinians have been killed. Really,
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Speaker 10: and in the whole statement they don't make any reference
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Speaker 10: whatsoever to Hamas. You know, you'd be forgiven for thinking, Danika,
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Speaker 10: that a lot of these people just hate Jews. You know,
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Speaker 10: I'm sorry, you know, maybe there are very genuine people.
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Speaker 10: I'm sure there are supporting Palestinian riots, but there must
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Speaker 10: be an undercurrent of racists and Jewish hating members of
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Speaker 10: this of this you know, group of people at march
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Speaker 10: because not to mention Hamas, not to mention the slaughter
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Speaker 10: of the Jews, and to exaggerate tenfold the number of
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Speaker 10: Palestinians who have died sadly died, is bizarre and quite frankly,
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Speaker 10: completely sickening, and I think what they've done is disgusting, disgusting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and for a third time a national monument's been hijacked.
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Speaker 2: I should reference it's actually October twelve that they're planning
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Speaker 2: this march, rich O, what's your reaction to this. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we're talking the second out of nursery of the largest
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Speaker 2: slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust, and this is happening again.
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Speaker 11: Yeah. I just don't understand this based anti Semitism that
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Speaker 11: exists in so many places, in so many hearts and minds.
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Speaker 11: I could never ever understand it. And I think if
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Speaker 11: I was a Jew, I'd have to be looking behind
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Speaker 11: all the time. You'd never feel relaxed. And in the
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Speaker 11: country like this, you should be able to relax. There
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Speaker 11: shouldn't be this kind of tension. We are importing foreign
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Speaker 11: wars onto our soil.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And my concern is that once again our
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Speaker 2: values are being eroded, as they have been since October seven,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Michael, I want to ask you.
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Speaker 2: About what I just spoke about earlier. Anthony Alberinezi says
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Speaker 2: his recognition of a Palestinian state help make that peace
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Speaker 2: still happened.
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Speaker 7: What is he living on?
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Speaker 1: Seriously?
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Speaker 10: Oh, look, Albo should stop these overseas trips. I mean,
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Speaker 10: the New Guinea disaster was bad enough, and then it
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Speaker 10: went all this junket went all around the world. Look,
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Speaker 10: the delusion in what he's saying was answered two weeks
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Speaker 10: ago by Marca Rubio, who said, who might be in
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Speaker 10: a position to know? By the way, he's not some
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Speaker 10: fluozy at the bus stop. Marca Rubio said, when the
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Speaker 10: four western left wing nation led by left wing governments Canada, France, Australian,
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Speaker 10: Britain came out and said they wanted to recognize the
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Speaker 10: pale of the state, he said, hummus stopped negotiating on
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Speaker 10: that day. They backed off and thought, well, maybe we
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Speaker 10: can just sit here, used Palestinians as shields against the
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Speaker 10: Israeli government and wait for these Western governments to cave in.
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Speaker 1: So Rubio put a complete lie to.
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Speaker 10: What Albanezei has said, and quite frankly, it is embarrassing
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Speaker 10: and delusional for him to take any credit whatsoever he
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Speaker 10: This agreement has taken place despite him, not because of him.
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Speaker 10: You know, all credit we've been many of us have
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Speaker 10: been critics of Trump on many issues. On this issue,
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Speaker 10: all credit to Donald J. Trump. He got the Egyptians,
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Speaker 10: the Jordanians, the Saudis, the Kataris, thee and most importantly Pakistan,
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Speaker 10: with whom he has now a very close relationship, and
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Speaker 10: the Indonesians to agree, right, that was that's the weight behind.
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Speaker 10: That's and the Israelis, of course, that's the weight behind.
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Speaker 10: In the Egyptians, that's the weight behind the peace plan.
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Speaker 10: You know a few words from Albow and Kia Stamer
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Speaker 10: and the frenchship. Quite frankly, no one respects on this issue.
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Speaker 10: It's an embarrassment to this country. For Albou to claim
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Speaker 10: that credit. He diminishes himself, he diminishes the labor government,
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Speaker 10: and he diminishes Australia.
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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I completely agree.
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Speaker 2: It's actually unfathomable that he thinks that he is played
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Speaker 2: some sort of key role. Rich O, What was the
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Speaker 2: Prime minister thinking here? How does he claim that his
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Speaker 2: recognition of Palestine built the momentum for peace.
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Speaker 11: That's a very good question which I wish I could answer,
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Speaker 11: but I can't. I just don't understand what we're doing here.
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Speaker 7: I really don't.
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Speaker 11: I think you know that there are times when a
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Speaker 11: leader has got to stand up and actually lead, not
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Speaker 11: just talk.
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Speaker 12: I'm okay, I guess there's.
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Speaker 10: One of them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look I agree with you there, Richo. Now look,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberanezi spent six days in China. He was posing
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Speaker 2: with pandas, touring the Great Wall and smiling with Shijing Ping.
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Speaker 2: And what did we get in return? A Chinese ban
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Speaker 2: on iron ore shipments from BHP.
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Speaker 1: What a great trade off.
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Speaker 2: Now, this represents a major escalation of a dispute that
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Speaker 2: fled up in mid September.
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Speaker 1: Here was the Prime Minister today.
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Speaker 3: I am concerned about that and what we want to
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Speaker 3: make sure is that markets operate properly. And of course
21:04
Speaker 3: we have seen those issues in the past. I want
21:08
Speaker 3: to see Australian iron ore be able to be exported
21:13
Speaker 3: into China with that hindrance.
21:16
Speaker 2: Michael, shouldn't the handsome boy get on the phone asap
21:19
Speaker 2: to China or the ambassador to sort.
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Speaker 1: This out because there's a lot at steak here.
21:23
Speaker 2: This is WA's lifeblood and a huge chunk of the
21:26
Speaker 2: national budget.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's our biggest export that Albow and his mates
21:32
Speaker 10: would like to close down. The mining industry were putting
21:34
Speaker 10: that aside. It's embarrassing, those wheezer words he just mentioned.
21:37
Speaker 10: I think there should be free flow of goods and
21:39
Speaker 10: services in China. Well, I think we probably all agree
21:42
Speaker 10: with that, Anthony, you know what, the Chinese. But I'm
21:46
Speaker 10: not that critical to him on this issue because what's
21:48
Speaker 10: happening in China is the Chinese steel mills who are
21:51
Speaker 10: buying Australian iron or think they're paying too much. They're
21:54
Speaker 10: trying to callists together to increase their buying power. The
21:57
Speaker 10: Chinese want to diversify their sources of iron ore imports.
22:02
Speaker 10: They get more than half of the monink sixty percent
22:04
Speaker 10: come from They want to diversify. That's what they're trying
22:07
Speaker 10: to do. Their shareholders in a massive new iron ore
22:12
Speaker 10: deposit in the Guinea in West Africa, which comes on
22:15
Speaker 10: to stream next year. So the Chinese, you know, protecting
22:18
Speaker 10: their own interests. They want to pay less. Well you
22:21
Speaker 10: know what, buy doesn't. And secondly they're diversifying. They're trying
22:25
Speaker 10: to diversify away from Australia. That's the big challenge. And
22:28
Speaker 10: quite frankly, that ain't a challenge Albow is going to
22:31
Speaker 10: have anything to do with resolving let him resolve the
22:35
Speaker 10: other great disputes of the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look fair enough, but clearly all the panda
22:39
Speaker 2: diplomacy has just had such little impact.
22:42
Speaker 1: Michael Kroger, Graham.
22:43
Speaker 2: Richardson, good to see you both. Thank you very much
22:45
Speaker 2: for joining me on the show this evening. They hear well,
22:49
Speaker 2: ten people smuggling boats have been intercepted this year, two
22:52
Speaker 2: of them just in the last month alone. We've now
22:56
Speaker 2: learned Border Force is buying up crayfish boats to try
23:00
Speaker 2: and turn vessels back. The West Australian is reporting the
23:03
Speaker 2: ABF is putting asylum seekers on unseaworthy vessels, on these
23:08
Speaker 2: safer boats and then turning them back to Indonesia. And
23:12
Speaker 2: some of these vessels are costing up to four hundred
23:15
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a pop. Joining me now is Shadow Foreign
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Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Michaulia.
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Speaker 1: Cash, Senator, Good to catch up.
23:22
Speaker 2: Can you think of any reasonable explanation as to why
23:24
Speaker 2: taxpayers are buying crayfish boats for asylum seekers? Does this
23:28
Speaker 2: not just encourage the trade? You know, come here on
23:30
Speaker 2: a dodgy vessel if you fail, no.
23:32
Speaker 1: Worries you'll go home on a good one.
23:36
Speaker 13: Well, Danika, both mister alban Easy and mister Burke had
23:40
Speaker 13: very serious questions to answer in relation to these revelations.
23:44
Speaker 13: I note though, that they're conveniently saying nothing. But the
23:48
Speaker 13: good news is we have sent an estimates next week
23:50
Speaker 13: and I can assure you will be pursuing this in detail.
23:54
Speaker 13: But if someone said to me today, the boats need
23:57
Speaker 13: to be stopped, not upgraded. The Australian people they expect
24:02
Speaker 13: policy deterrance, not incentives to come down to Australia. And
24:07
Speaker 13: in fact, as one of the Cray fishermen actually said,
24:10
Speaker 13: he said, you know, the people smugglers end up with
24:13
Speaker 13: a pretty expensive vessel. So it's difficult to see how
24:17
Speaker 13: this is anything other than an incentive to come down
24:21
Speaker 13: here on a crappy boat. But Danika, let's be realistic.
24:26
Speaker 13: Mister Alberanzi has never been strong on border protection. He
24:31
Speaker 13: hates boat turnbacks and this just shows you yet again,
24:35
Speaker 13: this is a government that is weak when it comes
24:38
Speaker 13: to controlling our borders, and the revelations that we all
24:43
Speaker 13: now see shouldn't be of a surprise. Quite frankly, to anyone,
24:48
Speaker 13: fix your policies, don't upgrade the boats.
24:52
Speaker 2: Well, it's just like the ghosts of the Rudguillard run years.
24:55
Speaker 2: It just seems to dog every Labor government over and
24:57
Speaker 2: over again. Now look the opposition leaders, Susan Lee has
25:00
Speaker 2: issued her front benches with KPIs in an effort to
25:03
Speaker 2: bring discipline and policy direction. A spokesperson says it will
25:07
Speaker 2: enable the coalition to develop a clear, credible policy platform
25:10
Speaker 2: to take to the election, drawing a clear contrast with
25:13
Speaker 2: Labor rather than simply responding to the government. Santa, have
25:17
Speaker 2: you been issued with these KPIs and how much of
25:20
Speaker 2: this is being driven by Liberal MP Andrew Hasty and
25:23
Speaker 2: just sent a Nampagenpurprice, who've been very outspoken on.
25:26
Speaker 1: Issues that do actually impact Australians.
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Speaker 13: Well, Janika, this is something that Susan when she became leader,
25:34
Speaker 13: since she would turn her focus to It's now been reported.
25:38
Speaker 1: The letters have now arrived.
25:39
Speaker 13: But this is now about ensuring that each member of
25:43
Speaker 13: the Shadow ministry is.
25:45
Speaker 1: Tasked, They are focused.
25:47
Speaker 13: They are ensuring that they are providing clear policy and
25:51
Speaker 13: that we are providing outcomes to the Australian people. But
25:55
Speaker 13: more than that, holding the Albanese government to account. So,
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Speaker 13: as I said, this is something that Susan had said
26:02
Speaker 13: she would do. She has now done it, and I
26:05
Speaker 13: would have thought the Australian people would be pleased to
26:07
Speaker 13: know that you have a very focused opposition looking at
26:12
Speaker 13: ensuring that we have a positive policy agenda to take
26:17
Speaker 13: to the election, but not only that, we are clearly
26:21
Speaker 13: holding the Albanese government to account.
26:24
Speaker 1: I just questioned the.
26:26
Speaker 2: Timing of it, because yesterday, of course Susan Lee was
26:29
Speaker 2: in your home state of Western Australia and actually avoided
26:32
Speaker 2: meeting Andrew Hasty all together. I just wanted to Senator
26:36
Speaker 2: his absence, does that not speak volumes of where the
26:39
Speaker 2: relations are at?
26:42
Speaker 13: Look, I think Andrew Hasty, Susan Lee, in fact, all
26:45
Speaker 13: of us. We're all out there holding this government to account,
26:49
Speaker 13: but in particular raising the important issues. And Andrew, you know,
26:53
Speaker 13: he's absolutely a loud voice when it comes to the
26:56
Speaker 13: impact of mass migration, in particular on the ability of
27:01
Speaker 13: Australians to get into their own homes, certainly on high
27:05
Speaker 13: energy prices. I mean you have said that are under
27:09
Speaker 13: Susan Lee, we have clearly said no to Labour's ridiculous
27:15
Speaker 13: twenty thirty five targets. I mean, I subscribe to what
27:18
Speaker 13: Chris Allman has said, which is Anthony Albanesi is putting
27:22
Speaker 13: Australians on a pathway to poverty. But also one of
27:26
Speaker 13: the points and Andrew highlights and certainly I agree with,
27:29
Speaker 13: and I know Susan does as well, is that you
27:33
Speaker 13: can't manufacture anything in Australia under Anthony Alberanesi, in particular
27:38
Speaker 13: with the complex regulatory environment that is put in place,
27:43
Speaker 13: but not only that, with the increase in energy prices,
27:47
Speaker 13: which means people just don't want to invest in Australia.
27:51
Speaker 13: So we're all out there, we're all loudly holding this
27:55
Speaker 13: government to account, as the Australian people expect do, but
28:00
Speaker 13: not only that, they deserve us to be doing.
28:04
Speaker 1: That in a focused manner.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
28:06
Speaker 1: Look, I couldn't agree with you more there.
28:08
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Gaza piece Steel on the Table
28:11
Speaker 2: by Donald Trump. A senior HAMAS official today has told
28:14
Speaker 2: the BBC that the group is likely to reject the plan,
28:17
Speaker 2: saying it serves Israel's interests and ignores those of the
28:20
Speaker 2: Palestinian people.
28:22
Speaker 1: I want to ask.
28:23
Speaker 2: You about Anthony Albernesi's response to this. He's told nine
28:27
Speaker 2: newspapers that his decision to recognize a Palestinian state actually
28:31
Speaker 2: helped encourage Israel and the United States to agree to
28:35
Speaker 2: this peace plan.
28:36
Speaker 1: What's your reaction to that?
28:39
Speaker 13: Well, that is just embarrassing. And it's almost like mister Alberanesi,
28:44
Speaker 13: he's not just trying to rewrite history, Danika, He's actually
28:48
Speaker 13: trying to write himself into history. I mean, what a
28:52
Speaker 13: fool Anthony Alberesi now looks like with his gesture politics
28:58
Speaker 13: last week in the UNI Nations, while he was grand
29:02
Speaker 13: standing and rewarding the terrorists for what they've called the
29:07
Speaker 13: fruits are of October seventh, Donald Trump was working with
29:12
Speaker 13: the Arab Nations and Israel to finally put a concrete
29:18
Speaker 13: plan for peace on the table. And mister Albinisi, he
29:23
Speaker 13: has now been exposed as having no part in this whatsoever.
29:28
Speaker 13: But I'd also say, Danika, that Hamas have a very
29:32
Speaker 13: very clear choice now.
29:34
Speaker 1: They need to.
29:35
Speaker 13: Be able to put people before terror. They need to
29:40
Speaker 13: make a decision, and everybody from Washington all the way
29:43
Speaker 13: through to Canberra should now be focused for the next
29:47
Speaker 13: few days on calling on Hamas to accept this deal.
29:53
Speaker 13: This is the closest that we have been to ending
29:57
Speaker 13: the killings, ensuring that the rema aiing hostages are returned home,
30:02
Speaker 13: but more than that, finally taking a step towards reconstruction
30:08
Speaker 13: in Gaza. So let's face it, the ball is now
30:11
Speaker 13: in Hamas's court. Are you going to put people before
30:16
Speaker 13: terror or are you going to condemn the Palestinians to
30:21
Speaker 13: quite literally what is going to be unfortunately a lot
30:25
Speaker 13: more pain. But as for Alberanesi, what an absolute fool
30:31
Speaker 13: he has now been made out to be. But what
30:33
Speaker 13: is worse trying to ride himself into history that is
30:37
Speaker 13: just embarrassing. He had nothing to do with this deal.
30:41
Speaker 13: And in fact, as Marco Rubio had said, when the
30:45
Speaker 13: French government recognized a Palestinian state, Hamas walked away that
30:50
Speaker 13: day from the peace negotiations. So, mister Alberanesi, you've contributed
30:55
Speaker 13: nothing towards a peace deal. In fact, you are lucky
30:59
Speaker 13: you didn't do more harm than good.
31:02
Speaker 2: Look the ego I just think is astounding. You're right,
31:05
Speaker 2: the eeguately completely embarrassing on the world stage.
31:08
Speaker 1: But yes, now it's up.
31:09
Speaker 2: To leaders to actually push hum us because this war
31:13
Speaker 2: just cannot keep going on. Senator MICHAELA. Cash, good to
31:16
Speaker 2: catch up. Thanks very much for joining me on the
31:18
Speaker 2: show this evening.
31:20
Speaker 1: Great to be with you.
31:22
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Donald Trump's Defense Secretary Pete
31:25
Speaker 2: HeiG Seth tells the top brass end woke distractions, rebuild
31:29
Speaker 2: fighting fitness, and prepare to win. I'll unpack that and
31:32
Speaker 2: more with Adam Crichton from the IPA plus Optors finally
31:36
Speaker 2: reveals the cause of the latest triple zero outtage.
31:39
Speaker 1: But does it stack up? I'll speak to a tech
31:41
Speaker 1: expert shortly. Welcome back.
31:46
Speaker 2: Let's return now to the Prime Minister's first home buyer plan,
31:49
Speaker 2: a five percent deposit scheme which he has conceded will
31:52
Speaker 2: actually lift property prices. Joining me now is IPA Senior
31:56
Speaker 2: fellow and chief economist Adam Crichton.
31:59
Speaker 1: Good to see you and thanks for joining me.
32:01
Speaker 2: So this is a policy to sign to fix the
32:03
Speaker 2: housing crisis, get more ossies into homes.
32:05
Speaker 1: Yet house prices are going to go up? Is this
32:08
Speaker 1: a complete done?
32:11
Speaker 7: Yes?
32:11
Speaker 14: Look it's you know, certainly it's a dud for me,
32:13
Speaker 14: but sadly the short term politics of it is that
32:16
Speaker 14: it's probably good for the government. I noticed the Prime
32:18
Speaker 14: Minister today was quite happy to say that house prices
32:20
Speaker 14: would go up one percent. The reality is it's probably
32:23
Speaker 14: going to go up between five and seven percent according
32:25
Speaker 14: to the Insurance Council, And the government knows that probably
32:29
Speaker 14: two thirds of voters quite like the value of their
32:31
Speaker 14: dwelling going up, whether it's an apartment or a house.
32:34
Speaker 14: They might not say that, but that's the sad reality.
32:36
Speaker 14: So this is probably good short term politics for the government,
32:40
Speaker 14: this policy, but it's certainly a dud for these first
32:42
Speaker 14: home buyers.
32:42
Speaker 7: I think they've been trapped, they've been tricked.
32:45
Speaker 14: The reality is they still have to service the mortgage
32:48
Speaker 14: and that's ninety five percent of the purchase price, so
32:51
Speaker 14: that means, you know, you only have to have one
32:53
Speaker 14: or two rate rises from the Reserve Bank and they'll
32:56
Speaker 14: be completely wiped out. And of course if that happens,
32:59
Speaker 14: and if the price of the dwelling has fallen in
33:01
Speaker 14: the meantime, then the cost of that does fall on
33:04
Speaker 14: you and me it falls on tax payers. So I
33:06
Speaker 14: think it's very cynical short term politics, but it's certainly
33:09
Speaker 14: not going to fix the housing crisis.
33:11
Speaker 7: No.
33:12
Speaker 2: And the other thing that you know, I mean, Labor
33:14
Speaker 2: already is failing to meet any of its housing accord goals.
33:20
Speaker 1: But what it's not what.
33:22
Speaker 2: It's not addressing is migration, and this is exactly what's
33:26
Speaker 2: putting pressure on housing.
33:29
Speaker 14: Yes, well we can talk about the housing target, but
33:32
Speaker 14: certainly immigration.
33:33
Speaker 7: The government's been out there crowing about.
33:34
Speaker 14: A fall in immigration, but I think net overseas migration
33:37
Speaker 14: is still running at about three hundred thousand a year.
33:40
Speaker 14: That's about triple the annual level that it was in
33:44
Speaker 14: the first half of the Howard government in the early
33:46
Speaker 14: two thousand, So that is an extremely high rate, and
33:48
Speaker 14: of course that puts pressure on rents. I think there
33:50
Speaker 14: was just data out today showing that rents are up
33:52
Speaker 14: in all the capitals by four or five percent over
33:54
Speaker 14: the last twelve months. Well, of course that means dwelling
33:57
Speaker 14: prices go up. It's just that's just economics. So we've
34:01
Speaker 14: got extraordinary demand and the housing accord, you know, the
34:04
Speaker 14: one point two million houses by twenty twenty nine, that's
34:08
Speaker 14: already sixty thousand homes behind. That's what IPA research has
34:11
Speaker 14: shown and others have said the same thing. So this
34:13
Speaker 14: is going to be a disaster. Prices are going to
34:15
Speaker 14: keep going up, Rents is going to keep going up,
34:16
Speaker 14: and there'll be more anger. But sadly, this price effect
34:20
Speaker 14: that we talked about earlier will make most voters.
34:23
Speaker 7: Happy about it.
34:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, politically wise, I agree, it's good for Labor.
34:29
Speaker 2: I mean, look what happened during the election with the
34:32
Speaker 2: hexstep policy. It was very very popular with younger voters.
34:36
Speaker 2: People could get attracted to this plan, but overall it's
34:39
Speaker 2: not great. Now I want to talk to you about
34:41
Speaker 2: this latest Guardian Essential poll. It reveals that one nation's
34:46
Speaker 2: primary vote has doubled to thirteen percent since the federal election.
34:51
Speaker 2: It puts it well ahead of the Greens. I mean
34:55
Speaker 2: this is a problem for the Liberal Party as well. Adam,
34:59
Speaker 2: what do you put this down to do you.
35:01
Speaker 14: Think, Well, look, I think it's mainly a problem for
35:04
Speaker 14: the Liberal Party. I would say, I think we saw
35:06
Speaker 14: in the federal election the National Party's vote basically held
35:09
Speaker 14: up pretty well, I think about ten percent. So this
35:11
Speaker 14: is a Liberal Party problem and the same thing the
35:13
Speaker 14: Labor Party saw with the Greens over many years. You know,
35:16
Speaker 14: this bleeding of votes to the left. Well, the same
35:18
Speaker 14: thing is happening now on the right. There's a bleeding
35:20
Speaker 14: of votes to the right. And I think the fact
35:22
Speaker 14: that the Liberal Party doesn't really stand for anything on
35:25
Speaker 14: the two most important issues of our age at the moment,
35:27
Speaker 14: which is immigration of course, and the net zero issue.
35:31
Speaker 14: We don't really know what the Liberal Party thinks of
35:32
Speaker 14: those two issues, you know, some MPs say this, others
35:35
Speaker 14: say that, we don't know, and so people are going
35:37
Speaker 14: to one nation. So people are taking a look at
35:39
Speaker 14: the Liberal Party and saying does that stand for what
35:41
Speaker 14: I think? And a big chunk of their voters are
35:43
Speaker 14: saying no, and so they're going to the Libertarians.
35:45
Speaker 7: They're going to one nation. And I think this process.
35:49
Speaker 14: Is going to continue until they finish their so call Review,
35:52
Speaker 14: which has been going on for five months or so,
35:55
Speaker 14: and we still don't know where they stand on these
35:56
Speaker 14: major issues. So I really think they should hurry up
35:59
Speaker 14: to stop this effect from happening.
36:01
Speaker 7: No.
36:01
Speaker 2: Look, I agree with you, and it's similar to what's
36:03
Speaker 2: happening over in the UK right now. You've got Reform
36:06
Speaker 2: UK leader Nigel Farage well ahead in the polls because
36:09
Speaker 2: they're actually providing voters with a genuine policy alternative. And
36:14
Speaker 2: that's what one nation is doing here right now in Australia.
36:17
Speaker 2: I want to go to the US now. Donald Trump's
36:19
Speaker 2: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, I mean, this is a guy
36:23
Speaker 2: who really tells it like it is.
36:25
Speaker 7: He's told, sorry, I can't hear you don't Okay, we've
36:29
Speaker 7: dropped out.
36:29
Speaker 2: Right, we've lost Okay, have you got me their Nope,
36:33
Speaker 2: we've lost Adam.
36:34
Speaker 1: Do apologize, We've lost Adam. But we've got to talk
36:36
Speaker 1: about Pete hegg.
36:37
Speaker 2: Seth there doesn't muck around whatsoever, telling it like it
36:41
Speaker 2: is today, telling the top brass, you know what, get
36:44
Speaker 2: your act into gear and let's start actually putting some
36:46
Speaker 2: good recruits to fight a war in the in case
36:49
Speaker 2: we need to, let's take a quick break. Coming up
36:52
Speaker 2: next Optus Triple zero and the minister who says she's still.
36:56
Speaker 1: New can you believe it?
36:57
Speaker 2: You pay the bills, but can you call an air ambulance. Plus,
37:00
Speaker 2: the UK's Deputy PM wrongly claims that Nigel Faraj flirted
37:04
Speaker 2: with Hitler Youth another example of that so called tolerant left.
37:09
Speaker 2: Spiked Online editor Tom Slater will join me.
37:15
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Well.
37:16
Speaker 2: Optus is facing mounting scrutiny over two Triple zero failures,
37:20
Speaker 2: which have been linked to three deaths. The telco claims
37:23
Speaker 2: equipment from its technical partner Ericson, did not appear to
37:27
Speaker 2: operate as it should on Sunday. Now that was their excuse.
37:32
Speaker 2: What was the Minister, Anika Wells's excuse.
37:37
Speaker 15: I'm still a new minister to the industry, so I
37:39
Speaker 15: would say I'm listening to everybody at the moment, and
37:41
Speaker 15: I would say that we are fast tracking our Triple
37:43
Speaker 15: zero Guardian legislation that will give confidence to Australians about
37:48
Speaker 15: the specific role that Triple zero plays for us in
37:50
Speaker 15: our country with disaster season ahead, and I'll be doing
37:53
Speaker 15: that as quickly as I can to try and give
37:55
Speaker 15: confidence too. Summer coming.
37:57
Speaker 1: Oh, well, that solves it. Then she's new to the
37:59
Speaker 1: job solved.
38:00
Speaker 2: Joining me now is image Image Matrix Tech editor zero said,
38:04
Speaker 2: good to see you again, Jiro, thank you so much
38:07
Speaker 2: for joining me. That was the minister's explanation. Is the
38:10
Speaker 2: government at fault?
38:11
Speaker 1: Here?
38:11
Speaker 7: Two A good.
38:15
Speaker 16: Evening, Dinka.
38:16
Speaker 17: I think the government absolutely plays a role in this,
38:19
Speaker 17: because this probably wouldn't have happened if the government, proceeding
38:22
Speaker 17: to this latest few events they actually cracked down on
38:25
Speaker 17: optics and it's far is in the past, and to
38:28
Speaker 17: come out with a statement like you, I wish I
38:30
Speaker 17: could use that excuse every day of the week, donka.
38:33
Speaker 16: But I just can't do it.
38:35
Speaker 17: So the government as to get cracking should have been
38:37
Speaker 17: cracking before. They've been throwing fines out left, right and centers.
38:40
Speaker 17: They had inquiries. We just need stuff done. Like in
38:44
Speaker 17: the US stuff is getting done. We need it done
38:47
Speaker 17: here too.
38:48
Speaker 2: Look, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm just surprised
38:51
Speaker 2: it hasn't happened earlier. Now optics has come out claiming
38:54
Speaker 2: that equipment from its technical partner, Ericson, did not appear
38:58
Speaker 2: to operate as it should. Call that outage on Sunday.
39:01
Speaker 2: How does something like that happen?
39:06
Speaker 17: Well, there was a blame on the tower not functioning,
39:08
Speaker 17: and these things do happen. But they've sort of thrown
39:12
Speaker 17: Ericson under the bus a bit here because Ericson provides
39:15
Speaker 17: a lot of equipment to global telco companies and there
39:19
Speaker 17: will be failures here and there.
39:21
Speaker 16: The thing is, though, the front facing business.
39:24
Speaker 17: Is OPTAs, So just to throw another company that provides
39:27
Speaker 17: material to you or technical equipment is not good enough
39:31
Speaker 17: as far as I'm concerned. Yes, you can have those
39:33
Speaker 17: internal discussions, but this one is for OPTAs to wear
39:37
Speaker 17: fully and I don't think it's a stage at this
39:41
Speaker 17: point of all the investigations going on and the fallout
39:45
Speaker 17: Daneka that they should be blaming anyone else.
39:48
Speaker 2: Well, I guess what a lot of Ozzies want to
39:51
Speaker 2: know is how does something like this actually happen? You know,
39:56
Speaker 2: once is bad, Twice is diabolical.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is meant.
40:01
Speaker 2: To be a reputable telecommunications company. It is meant to
40:05
Speaker 2: have the ability that when someone needs to call an emergency.
40:08
Speaker 1: Service, they expect to get through it.
40:10
Speaker 2: Beggars belief that they're having these constant outages.
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Speaker 17: This is absolutely true, and I think at the core
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Speaker 17: the Triple O service that sits underneath everything the other telcos,
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Speaker 17: whether you're calling by a mobile or a landline, it's
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Speaker 17: pretty solid. But clearly there's something going wrong in the
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Speaker 17: Optus infrastructure.
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Speaker 16: Isn't right.
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Speaker 17: You can have technical problems, and I always talk to
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Speaker 17: these telcos, Telstra and like all the time about their
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Speaker 17: technical issues. But what I'm seeing here is a cultural
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Speaker 17: issue at OPTAs. You cannot have one event after another
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Speaker 17: event after another event and not do anything about it.
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Speaker 16: So we've heard.
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Speaker 17: About all these human errors and they've been quick to
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Speaker 17: say that, but those errors need to be elevated faster,
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Speaker 17: and that's why we saw a breakdown in the initial
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Speaker 17: loss of triple low numbers, and of course we heard
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Speaker 17: about the deaths around the same time. So I think
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Speaker 17: on top of the technical things that we're looking at
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Speaker 17: which need to be improved, absolutely, Daniko, but I think
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Speaker 17: overall they need to look at the culture of the
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Speaker 17: company because that has to be something that's causing a
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Speaker 17: lot of these issues because they're not following things up
41:32
Speaker 17: and not following procedures. Now I've got a one seven
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Speaker 17: two pilot's license is a very small plane, but just
41:38
Speaker 17: like the big ones, I've got to follow a checklist
41:40
Speaker 17: to make sure i am safe in the same way.
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Speaker 17: They should have checklists that are never ever skipped. And
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Speaker 17: I'm wondering if they do have the culture to follow
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Speaker 17: checklists and all those procedures.
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Speaker 16: When things go wrong, because they will go wrong.
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Speaker 2: Look, yes, you're absolutely spot on. What sort of consequences
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Speaker 2: can be imposed on the telco?
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Speaker 1: If any they are? They penalties? How does it work?
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Speaker 16: It's really hard. What do you do.
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Speaker 17: They've got millions of customers and you can't just say
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Speaker 17: you're out of the business.
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Speaker 16: You can't just throw someone in there.
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Speaker 17: I mean, tell Us is getting the benefits for this
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Speaker 17: because a lot of people are signing up to them,
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Speaker 17: I know, anecdotically and speaking to people in the street,
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Speaker 17: and also the data comes out. But obviously you can
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Speaker 17: find them millions of dollars, and they've been on the
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Speaker 17: books before with data breaches and those sorts of things.
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Speaker 17: But at some point it has to be more serious
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Speaker 17: than that. And the fines are really the easy way out.
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Speaker 17: The government can say, hey, we're going to find you
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Speaker 17: one hundred million, two hundred million dollars, but will that
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Speaker 17: actually change anything? And you know what the evidence shows, Deneka,
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Speaker 17: it hasn't changed anything.
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Speaker 16: So it's got to be more than fines.
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Speaker 17: Maybe kick them out of the business, maybe help people
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Speaker 17: hold people responsible in the top job.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I completely agree with you.
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Speaker 2: Something has to happen because this just cannot keep happening.
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Speaker 2: You know, when lives have been lost, it is an
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Speaker 2: absolute disaster.
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Speaker 1: Duro send good to see you. Thanks very much for.
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Speaker 2: Joining me on the show this evening coming up after
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Speaker 2: the break. UK Prime Minister Kiir Starmer calls Nigel Farage
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Speaker 2: a snake oil merchant during his address to the Labor
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Speaker 2: Party conference.
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Speaker 1: That's how you know Labor is worried in the polls.
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Speaker 2: We'll go live to London next and catch up with
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Speaker 2: Spiked Online editor Tom Slater. Welcome back, well, UK Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Kiir Starmer, the hapless Wonder is absolutely being demolished
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Speaker 2: in the polls by Reform leader Nigel Farag.
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Speaker 1: So what do the left do when they're under pressure?
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Speaker 1: They attack?
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Speaker 2: Have a listen to these comments he made about Nigel
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Speaker 2: Farage during a speech to Labor faithful.
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Speaker 9: When was the last time that you heard Nigel Farrage
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Speaker 9: say an I think positive about Britain's future. He can't.
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Speaker 9: He doesn't like Britain, doesn't believe in Britain, wants you
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Speaker 9: to doubt it just as much as he does. So
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Speaker 9: if he resorts to grievance.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nigel Farage fired back within hours.
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Speaker 12: What I've learned this week is that the government are
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Speaker 12: incapable of beating us on our arguments and as a result,
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Speaker 12: the Prime Minister has decided to descend into the gutter
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Speaker 12: and all of his cabinet with him.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Spiked Online editor Tom Slater, Tom,
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Speaker 2: thank you for joining me.
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Speaker 1: So the Prime Minister spent a.
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Speaker 2: Good part of his speech to the Labor faithful smearing
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Speaker 2: the leader of a rival party, does not that not
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Speaker 2: reek of panic and desperation.
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Speaker 18: Oh absolutely, panic and desperation are precisely the words for it.
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Speaker 18: There was a great cartoon in the Daily Telegraph over
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Speaker 18: here the other day of two people coming out of
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Speaker 18: the Labor Party conference saying they would prefer to go
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Speaker 18: to the Reform one next year because at least they
44:51
Speaker 18: would hear less about Nigel Farage. This is the sign
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Speaker 18: of a government that doesn't know what it's for, doesn't
44:57
Speaker 18: understand why so many of its votes from last election
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Speaker 18: of flocking towards reform, and so they're going back to
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Speaker 18: the old self destructive playbook. Is a little bit reductive,
45:06
Speaker 18: but in the way the political story of the past
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Speaker 18: ten years across the West is left wing parties calling
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Speaker 18: voters extreme racist and so on and so forth, and
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Speaker 18: then being surprised that they don't want to vote for them.
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Speaker 18: And I think that's the thing about these attacks. It
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Speaker 18: hasn't just been about suggesting that Reform are snake oil
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Speaker 18: salesman or what have you. They've just been openly suggesting
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Speaker 18: that this party, which is leading the polls which could
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Speaker 18: easily be the majority government next time around, is explicitly
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Speaker 18: racist in its outlook, and people who are thinking about
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Speaker 18: voting reform are only going to hear that the Labour
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Speaker 18: Party in the government thinks they are racist for entertaining
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Speaker 18: this party themselves absolutely well.
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Speaker 2: Look, speaking of the Deputy Prime Minister, David Lammy has
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Speaker 2: falsely claimed this of Nigel Farage.
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Speaker 9: I will leave it for the public to come to
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Speaker 9: their own judgments about someone who once flirted with Hitler
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Speaker 9: Youth when he was younger.
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Speaker 2: That is, Hitler Youth walked back those comments. But have
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Speaker 2: a listen to the Home Secretary Shabana Mamud.
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Speaker 7: Do you think NAIs is racist?
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Speaker 19: I think the niter Farange is actually almost worse than that.
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Speaker 19: I think he knows exactly what he's doing. I think
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Speaker 19: he's being extremely cynical. He knows that with some of
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Speaker 19: the policies he's put forward, which are on indefinitely to remain,
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Speaker 19: for example, immral and in my view extreme, he is
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Speaker 19: sending that dog whistle to every racist in.
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Speaker 2: The land, so that the the terms racist Hitler youth.
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Speaker 2: I mean this is a sort of rhetoric tom that
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Speaker 2: saw Charlie Kirk murdered.
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Speaker 18: Words do matter, absolutely and you can see just how
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Speaker 18: desperate it is, as we've been talking about. But also
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Speaker 18: this is just so grotesque in terms of these historical comparisons.
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Speaker 18: I mean, this is something that David Lammy has some
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Speaker 18: form with during the Brexit years, he accused Tory right
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Speaker 18: wingers of big not just like the Nazis, but worse
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Speaker 18: than the Nazis, worse than the greatest villains of human history.
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Speaker 16: This is something.
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Speaker 18: Which we can brush it off, We could say this
47:03
Speaker 18: is the cut and thrust a debate. They're entitled to
47:06
Speaker 18: hold these views and to express them, but when you're
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Speaker 18: using the kind of graveyards of the twentieth century as
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Speaker 18: a playground to have out political spats, you really lower
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Speaker 18: politics to an even greater extent than we've seen recently.
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Speaker 18: And you know, this hit the youth comment to accuse
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Speaker 18: Nigel Faraj of flirting with an organization that was disbanded
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Speaker 18: twenty years before he was born speaks to not just
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Speaker 18: the desperation but the historical and political illiteracy of the
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Speaker 18: people who're thrown around these accusations.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'll just think it's astonishing.
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Speaker 2: And you know, the left Tom lest They're so tolerant,
47:36
Speaker 2: aren't they not when they're under pressure that this is
47:39
Speaker 2: how they show their true colors. Now, look, of course
47:41
Speaker 2: we saw that landmark ruling over in the UK about
47:45
Speaker 2: gender man and woman. But Scotland's government has finally issued
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Speaker 2: guidance that schools must provide single sex toilets and changing
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Speaker 2: rooms and recognize biological sex in policy or Tom. Firstly,
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Speaker 2: I can't believe that guidance was they even needed on this,
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Speaker 2: But here we are. Do you think that this is
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Speaker 2: at all the start of some common sense gender policy
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Speaker 2: in the UK?
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Speaker 16: We can only hope.
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Speaker 18: I mean the fact that it took the Supreme Court
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Speaker 18: to instruct every institution in the land that sex is
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Speaker 18: biological in law, and that women's spaces mean women's spaces.
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Speaker 18: The girls toilets means the girl's toilets, It's not the boys' toilets.
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Speaker 18: The fact that we ever got into this position is
48:25
Speaker 18: something that future historians will ponder over. The Scottish government
48:28
Speaker 18: have been particularly dragging their feet because actually a lot
48:31
Speaker 18: of this was sort of born in Scotland in terms
48:32
Speaker 18: of the crazy policies that Nicolas Sturgeon's government were trying
48:36
Speaker 18: to pursue. And also the fact that Supreme Court ruling
48:38
Speaker 18: was the result of a Scottish feminist group challenging SMP
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Speaker 18: policy where sex and gender were concerned. It was that
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Speaker 18: case that went all the way up to the Supreme
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Speaker 18: Court and led to this landmark ruling. So hopefully you're
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Speaker 18: now seeing it's starting to bite these various organizations and
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Speaker 18: governments realizing they can't drag their feet anymore. But the
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Speaker 18: fact that it's taken this long is a reminder that
48:57
Speaker 18: it was never just going to be about one court case.
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Speaker 18: This is a kind of cultural and institutional battle that
49:01
Speaker 18: still needs to take place to return us to that
49:03
Speaker 18: common sense and the general issue.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look we're having the exact same battle here
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Speaker 2: in Australia right now. Absolute madness. Tom Slater, good to
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Speaker 2: see you. Thanks very much for joining me on the show.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thank you for your company. I'll be back
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Speaker 2: again tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: Stay with us. It's now time for Paul Murray