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Injury Expert Will Carroll’s insight on injuries for playoff clubs: Ohtani, Freeman, Crochet, & Luzardo · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot to run through the injury report.
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  Speaker 2: Injuries suck. Will Carroll joining us. Injury Territory is the
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  Speaker 2: show to cover all of this. So make sure you
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  Speaker 2: check it out multiple times a week on the FT Network. Also,
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  Speaker 2: his Under the Knife sub stack is a must subscribe. Will,
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  Speaker 2: good to talk to you. I think we need to
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  Speaker 2: start with a team that has a ton of names
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  Speaker 2: and then we can go to some individual ones if
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  Speaker 2: that's cool. So I'll give you dealer's choice where you
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  Speaker 2: want to go. I'm just going to say Dodgers. Cause
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  Speaker 2: I have like five, six names written down in terms
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  Speaker 2: of guys that are playing that are hurt guys that
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  Speaker 2: are not playing that are hurt guys that just got
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  Speaker 2: hurt guys that are returning.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you want to go?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we can go with any of them, but let's
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  Speaker 1: go with the big names. Uh, show you a tiny
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  Speaker 1: dealing with a couple of different issues. Everybody's focused on
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  Speaker 1: the knee, which is the same exact issue that we
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  Speaker 1: have with, uh, Freddie Freeman. Uh, Otani's is a little worse.
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  Speaker 1: He's been dealing with it longer. Um, But Otani is
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  Speaker 1: also dealing with this neck issue. They keep calling it
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  Speaker 1: a biceps issue, but Dave Roberts and my sources have
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  Speaker 1: told me they've given a lot of hints that this
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  Speaker 1: is something more like a nerve issue. And we've seen
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  Speaker 1: this before. It's difficult. So he's not going to pitch.
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  Speaker 1: There is no chance he's going to pitch in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: And with Freeman, both of those knees, they've just got
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  Speaker 1: to manage them. They've got to get them through the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Meniscus injuries are fairly easy. So like Myles Garrett, they'll
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  Speaker 1: go see Dr. Neal Eletrosh, have a little trim and
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  Speaker 1: get back out. I'm sure both of you guys have
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  Speaker 1: had that in the past. Maybe not you, Scott. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. But those are just management issues. Will, speak
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  Speaker 1: for yourself.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Kratz or I have ever had any
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  Speaker 4: knee problems.
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  Speaker 3: So Will?
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  Speaker 4: Take that glassy out of your mouth. Don't you put
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  Speaker 4: that on us.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, and also, by the way, do you have anything.
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  Speaker 4: For your microphone that keeps shocking you because you're wearing
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  Speaker 4: a rosary praying for the white socks to win today?
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  Speaker 4: Is there a, is there a, is there a, something
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  Speaker 4: I can do to stop that? Because it's like every
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  Speaker 4: two seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I'm thinking you might need to ground yourself.
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  Speaker 4: That's impossible with, with this, with as big as my
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  Speaker 4: ego is, well, I can never ground myself.
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  Speaker 1: So let's also throw that out there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Um, On the Shohei thing, you mentioned the neck, right?
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  Speaker 4: Is this only from pitching? Is this something that's caused
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  Speaker 4: by pitching? Is this a hitting thing? Because it has
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  Speaker 4: affected his hitting, I mean, along with the knee, along
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  Speaker 4: with the bicep, along with every other thing he's had
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  Speaker 4: going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely affecting his hitting. That's actually where we
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  Speaker 1: first saw signs of this. He kept trying to shake
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  Speaker 1: out his arm. Dave Roberts has said multiple times that
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  Speaker 1: he can't get it to fire, and that just signals
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  Speaker 1: nerve flat out. Uh, so yeah, this is one, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we we've seen other pitchers having to deal
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  Speaker 1: with this kind of, uh, the technical term is cervical radiculopathy. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it just doesn't fire really the best comp for this
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  Speaker 1: situation that people know is Peyton Manning. Uh, he had,
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  Speaker 1: he dealt with this through two minor surgeries where they
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  Speaker 1: did everything they could not to do a fusion. They
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  Speaker 1: finally did the fusion. Uh, he came back and his
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  Speaker 1: laser rocket arm wasn't so laser rockety, but he managed
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  Speaker 1: to win a super bowl. So I guess he was
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  Speaker 1: okay for Otani. I don't think it's to that stage,
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  Speaker 1: but it's certainly bothering him, and he's just not able
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  Speaker 1: to get the bat where he wants it to be.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of wobble in his stat cast stats.
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  Speaker 4: Will, is this like when Tiger Woods couldn't get his
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  Speaker 4: glutes to fire? Remember when Tiger Woods was playing golf
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  Speaker 4: and he kept saying, I can't get my right glute
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  Speaker 4: to fire, and everybody's walking around going, man, my glute's
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  Speaker 4: not firing. That's why I'm shooting 100?
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  Speaker 3: A little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a different area. That's a little lower. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, anytime those nerves coming out of the spine–
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  Speaker 1: start having problems, anytime they're not firing, anytime they're getting irritated,
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  Speaker 1: it's really problematic. It can be really, really painful. It
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  Speaker 1: appears that his is kind of the opposite. There's less
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  Speaker 1: action in that arm or Tiger's glute. I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: going to follow that line.
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  Speaker 5: I had no problem getting fired. I got fired plenty
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  Speaker 5: of times in my career. Glutes, arms, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 5: What's this treatment process for Shohei? Is it a rest,
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  Speaker 5: we'll get it recovered, we'll get the nerve just rested
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  Speaker 5: out or whatever it is? Because when you start getting
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  Speaker 5: into the playoffs, there are off days. Is it a, okay,
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  Speaker 5: he could play, but then it's going to fire up, so.
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  Speaker 3: He needs time off? What is the normal protocol?
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a kitchen sink approach. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to know what works and what hasn't worked
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  Speaker 1: and work on him throughout the playoffs. He's got a
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  Speaker 1: daily routine before and after games. For the knee, he's
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  Speaker 1: had at least one, probably two injections of basically lubricant
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  Speaker 1: into his knee. So we'll see if that helps along
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  Speaker 1: with the rest and the things they're doing while he's
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  Speaker 1: out right now.
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  Speaker 5: We hear a lot about cortisone shots. Now, cortisone shots
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  Speaker 5: are not just liberally given out. When you get one
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  Speaker 5: or two, when you get two in a spot, now
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  Speaker 5: we're Is he in that realm because of the fact
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  Speaker 5: that you can't just go and get a cortisone shot and, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's just going to fix it all up?
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  Speaker 3: He's not.
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  Speaker 1: He's getting what's called hyaluronic acid. It's Synvisc. There's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of newer ones. Again, I don't know exactly what
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  Speaker 1: they're using, but hyaluronic acid, it's functionally a lubricant. It's
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  Speaker 1: like putting motor oil in there. It's the old pin
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  Speaker 1: man from Wizard of Oz oil can kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: It does work. It doesn't last a long time. The
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  Speaker 1: body reabsorbs it. It's not like motor oil where it
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  Speaker 1: hurts you. Your body naturally has that and you have
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  Speaker 1: less and less as you age. He certainly shouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: a shortage, but he's got damage in that meniscus. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to have to be fixed. So think of it
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  Speaker 1: as a rough road and they're just trying to smooth
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  Speaker 1: out those bumps. But with as much force as he
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  Speaker 1: puts in that swing and with pitching, you just have
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  Speaker 1: force in that knee. So it's impossible to get it
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  Speaker 1: all out. They're just trying to see how can we
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  Speaker 1: get it from here to the end of October so
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  Speaker 1: he's healthy enough to raise a trophy again and then
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  Speaker 1: head right over for surgery.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking about miles.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody's taking more miles on that body than Shohei with
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  Speaker 5: hitting and pitching. Let's go to Jesus Lizardo and the
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  Speaker 5: fact that we are about 15 days from the playoffs
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  Speaker 5: and he just got put on the 15-day IL with
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  Speaker 5: shoulder inflammation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And especially with the shoulder history he has there, it
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  Speaker 1: was just a couple of years ago when he was
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  Speaker 1: with the Marlins where there were questions about whether he
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  Speaker 1: was ever going to make it back. I remember talking
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  Speaker 1: to a scout that had seen one of his side
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  Speaker 1: sessions and said he was up there grunting full effort
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  Speaker 1: and throwing the ball 80 miles an hour. Methyl staff
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  Speaker 1: down there did a great job getting him back. The
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  Speaker 1: Phillies have done a great job maintaining him, but something gave.
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  Speaker 1: Was he overthrowing in that great 12-strikeout game? We'll probably
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  Speaker 1: never know without the Kinetrax data, but the swelling in
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  Speaker 1: the back of his shoulder is certainly problematic. They're saying
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  Speaker 1: no structural issue, which just means there's nothing torn, but
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  Speaker 1: there's certainly something that was stretched, something that was overstressed.
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  Speaker 1: This is problematic because not only the timing, but his
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  Speaker 1: history alone It kind of makes you cringe. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think this kills the Phillies. If he comes back and
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  Speaker 1: he can only throw four innings, well, heck, that's probably
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  Speaker 1: what most people are going to do anyway.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but the Phillies, he was their best pitcher. So
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  Speaker 5: I think it kills them more than anything.
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  Speaker 3: But, hey, you know what?
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  Speaker 5: We'll play off. Let's go to another lefty, Garrett Crochet.
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  Speaker 5: Garrett Crochet has been a starter for his entire Red
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  Speaker 5: Sox life. They weren't sure what was going to happen
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  Speaker 5: with the White Sox. How does that process, how does
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  Speaker 5: the rehab or return to play process change now that
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  Speaker 5: they've committed, okay, he's not going to make it back
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  Speaker 5: to the starting rotation for the playoffs, but it will
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  Speaker 5: be in the playoffs as a reliever, hopefully?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the rehab process itself doesn't change. What changes is
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  Speaker 1: the length of the build. If you're trying to ramp
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  Speaker 1: somebody up to get them We always see this in
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  Speaker 1: spring training. It throws one inning. It throws two innings.
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  Speaker 1: It throws three innings. We see rehab starts where it's 30, 45, 60.
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  Speaker 1: One inning is roughly 15 pitches. You see guys like
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  Speaker 1: Trey Savage got absolutely torched yesterday in his rehab start.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't even make it through the first inning. But for Crochet,
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  Speaker 1: they did everything normally up to the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: didn't keep building him. Now he's just going to keep
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  Speaker 1: his chronic workload at the probably two inning, three inning
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  Speaker 1: level where he could come in and go a little
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  Speaker 1: bit longer, especially if he's pitching well. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it changes much for him. It certainly does. change
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  Speaker 1: the rehab process. It's just a matter of he's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be getting as many outs. And we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: this more and more. I mean, Tanner Houck might make
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  Speaker 1: it back, and he's going to be in the same situation.
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  Speaker 1: But take a look at the Yankees. They're about to
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  Speaker 1: get Clark Schmidt back from Tommy John. He's in the
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  Speaker 1: same situation. They've got guys who were starters not too
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  Speaker 1: long ago, and you figure they're going to take the
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  Speaker 1: back-end guys and put them in the rotation. They could
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  Speaker 1: really go short starts with everybody but Cam Schlittler and
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  Speaker 1: go right, left, right. There's all sorts of things, and
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  Speaker 1: the Red Sox could do it too. I think this
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  Speaker 1: playoff might end up the playoff of kind of long
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  Speaker 1: men in the bullpen.
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  Speaker 3: That's every playoff lately, Will. That's every playoff.
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  Speaker 4: And whoever gets the best starting pitching usually wins in
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  Speaker 4: the postseason, just throwing it out there. Can we talk
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  Speaker 4: about a couple guys who aren't coming back? Correa decided
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  Speaker 4: his rehab was too much, right? Devers having surgery, Byron
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  Speaker 4: Buxton having surgery. Buxton and Devers are a little bit
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  Speaker 4: different because these are newer injuries, but they're doing this
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  Speaker 4: right because they can rehab with their teams before a
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  Speaker 4: possible lockout. How does that affect? Can you explain to
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  Speaker 4: people how that affects people on the IL in the
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  Speaker 4: offseason if there is a lockout?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. And it's got a pretty
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  Speaker 1: simple answer. Once they lock out, anybody in the 40-man
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  Speaker 1: is cut off from the team. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have their own trainers and obviously doctors. But in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these situations, if the team doctor, the team
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  Speaker 1: athletic trainer, people you normally work with, the rehab professionals,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to go and find somebody else. Now, there's
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  Speaker 1: always ways around it. You can send messages online. They're
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  Speaker 1: reasonable things, and there are medical exceptions to it that
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  Speaker 1: are actually federal law. But for the most part, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to go elsewhere. Now, this shouldn't affect
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  Speaker 1: Devers at all. He went to Bill Myers in Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 1: who does all these sports hernia core muscle injuries. He'll
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  Speaker 1: be back in about six weeks. This has a great
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  Speaker 1: return rate, so I don't think that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a problem. Correa is a little bit more complicated just
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  Speaker 1: because His ankle, his rehab went so well until it didn't.
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  Speaker 1: They're saying it's not a setback, but that the workload
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  Speaker 1: was just too much to get him back. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really understand that, and they haven't explained it very well. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not the ankle that kept him out
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  Speaker 1: of those two contracts. It's the other one with that
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  Speaker 1: just crazy, quirky injury like we've never seen before. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's still some information I don't have on that one,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see it. Buxton is the most
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  Speaker 1: interesting one because he had a resurfacing. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: whether the labrum was torn inside there, but a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people have returned with this. You can go all
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  Speaker 1: the way back. Alex Rodriguez had this surgery. Chase Utley
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  Speaker 1: had this. You see it a lot in hockey because
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  Speaker 1: of the way they skate, but he shouldn't have any problems.
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  Speaker 1: He does have an extensive injury history, but he comes
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  Speaker 1: back with all the talent.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Is it a core muscle or is it a hernia?
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  Speaker 4: Can we just, can we settle on one or the other?
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  Speaker 4: Because nobody wants to call it a hernia. It's now
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  Speaker 4: a core muscle. So just tell me, well, I just
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  Speaker 4: want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a hernia. It's actually the sheath around
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  Speaker 1: the muscle. Tim Kremchak had it. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: Barry Larkin had the original injury and he was trying
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  Speaker 1: to explain it. And he goes, just call it a
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  Speaker 1: sports hernia. You know, athletic pubalgia is not one that
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  Speaker 1: people want to try.
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  Speaker 3: To say on TV.
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, you know, Bill Myers, who does almost all
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  Speaker 1: these surgeries out of his hospital in Philadelphia, uh, he
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  Speaker 1: likes to call it a core muscle injury. It's cleaner,
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  Speaker 1: but they're, they're the exact same thing. A hernia is
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  Speaker 1: when your intestines are actually poking through the abdominal wall. Uh, so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all, all the things mean the same thing. It's,
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  Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of a detail for, for,
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  Speaker 1: for Devers six weeks, he'll be fine.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Rafi Devers and Buxton both were on the record saying
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  Speaker 5: or people were the team was saying they played through it.
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  Speaker 5: Buxton's even was kind of it crept up in 2021.
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  Speaker 3: They had talked about it. Which one is tougher?
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  Speaker 5: Because both guys, if you look back when it was,
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  Speaker 5: they were dealing with it. have both had very successful runs.
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  Speaker 5: Devers especially this year was a really good run. Which
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  Speaker 5: one is tougher to play through, but also which one
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  Speaker 5: could cause more damage? Because I know when Utley played
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  Speaker 5: through his hip, it ended up hurting his knee that
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  Speaker 5: he ended up getting more wear and tear on his
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  Speaker 5: knee because he was playing through his hip so that
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  Speaker 5: they could play through the 2008 season and win a
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly it. You worry about what the other things,
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  Speaker 1: how is he compensating for that? To bring us full circle,
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  Speaker 1: this is the same sort of thing I talked about
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  Speaker 1: with Freeman and Otani, where they're managing the injury to
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  Speaker 1: try to get it through. Is it going to get worse?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: How much worse can you play through the pain? I've
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  Speaker 1: never had a core muscle injury, but I've had a
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  Speaker 1: number of groin strains in the past, and they hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Can you play through them? Yes, it depends on your
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  Speaker 1: pain tolerance and the movements you have to make. With
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  Speaker 1: the hip, it's tougher because it's literally every step. So
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  Speaker 1: they managed it well. He was able to continue to
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  Speaker 1: do all the things he needed to do. So I
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  Speaker 1: have to question whether he just has a really high
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  Speaker 1: pain tolerance or whether they were able to find techniques
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  Speaker 1: that worked until they didn't. And now, hopefully, they go
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  Speaker 1: right to the root cause and get this fixed.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be honest.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not 100% sure what Shane McClanahan's current injury is.
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  Speaker 5: Is he a candidate of somebody that you could say, okay,
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  Speaker 5: he's got an injury history.
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  Speaker 3: What is this root cause?
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  Speaker 5: Because when you talk to him and watch him play
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  Speaker 5: and get ready and prep, and I know the Rays–
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  Speaker 5: The Rays staff, how they get guys ready, it's top notch,
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  Speaker 5: second to none. But he continues to unfortunately go down
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  Speaker 5: this road with just immense talent that I saw back
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  Speaker 5: in 2020 during the COVID season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the root cause is pitching. Simple as that. The
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  Speaker 1: fact is some guys just put too much force on
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  Speaker 1: the elbow. There was a great article by Barry Bloom
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  Speaker 1: about Joe Musgrove. I don't think Joe Musgrove's ever going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to come back, but he detailed why.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't just have Tommy John. He didn't just have
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  Speaker 1: an internal brace. They did microfracture inside his elbow. They
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  Speaker 1: took out bone spurs and bone chips. They cleaned everything out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was extensive. And McClanahan has had kind
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  Speaker 1: of the same thing. I don't think he's had microfracture,
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  Speaker 1: but he had the nerve issue. He's had Tommy John
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  Speaker 1: a couple times. Now he's got a flexor strain. So
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of things. And certainly you would think
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  Speaker 1: that McClanahan and Peralta going into the playoffs were going
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  Speaker 1: to give them the best shot. Now we don't even
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  Speaker 1: know if McClanahan is going to pitch again this year,
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  Speaker 1: next year. Who knows? This is a pretty complex situation
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  Speaker 1: for a very simple joint.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good thing they have Freddy Peralta. And they turned
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  Speaker 2: him back into Freddy Peralta.
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  Speaker 3: That helps.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, well, good stuff, man. Appreciate the time.
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  Speaker 1: Anytime guys.
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  Speaker 2: And make sure everyone checks out injury territory. Uh, plus
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