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Tarik Skubal's Return Not Enough vs. Cleveland. Where Are The Bats? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network Tiger's podcast. I'm Kierens Deckley with
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  Speaker 1: me as always as a man who sometimes wonders why
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  Speaker 1: the soccer game timer isn't called a pitch clock.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen. How we doing.
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  Speaker 3: I like that it should be called the pitch clock.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing all right. I survived a drive back to
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  Speaker 3: Cleveland in some pretty pretty dicey weather, so I guess
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  Speaker 3: that's a positive. Really kind of won a few positives
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  Speaker 3: of the weekend because the Tigers went to Cleveland only
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  Speaker 3: got into the three games, but yet again, the Guardians
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  Speaker 3: were kind of their daddy. The Tigers have lost eleven
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  Speaker 3: of their last twelve regular season games to the Guardians. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: they did beat them in the wild Card series last year,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not what you want. And they keep losing
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  Speaker 3: the three to one three two three one three two.
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  Speaker 3: Like aj Hinch said, they've the same game a million times,
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  Speaker 3: and they have, but they just cannot come out on top.
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  Speaker 2: You know, It's funny.
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  Speaker 1: There are very few things in baseball and sports that
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  Speaker 1: like universally, everybody has the same opinion even if they're
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  Speaker 1: sort of like diametrically opposed. Like I was listening, I
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  Speaker 1: was doing look going through the game recaps on MLB
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  Speaker 1: dot Com, and so they interchange both audio feeds with
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  Speaker 1: with with either team, and the Cleveland broadcasters were saying
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  Speaker 1: the exact same thing that like Dan and Jason would say,
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  Speaker 1: where it's like up another classic Guardians Tigers game.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, they have a little bit more of a
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  Speaker 1: smile on their face while I'm saying when they're saying it,
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine, But but yeah, dude, it just it
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  Speaker 1: feels like just kind of getting it, Like is this
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  Speaker 1: what it was like being a Raiders fan in the
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  Speaker 1: seventies against the Steelers, you know what I mean? Where
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  Speaker 1: you're just kind of going over and over again. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like Pacers Pistons in the mid two thousands. That
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit of a shorter window where it's
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  Speaker 1: like two teams that like are so similar but know
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  Speaker 1: each other so well. Uh, but one just tends to
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  Speaker 1: have the advantage over the other over.
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  Speaker 2: The course of their rivalry. I guess you would.
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  Speaker 1: You would call it and and the Tigers too often
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  Speaker 1: with some highs.
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  Speaker 2: Mind. You you mentioned the playoffs last year.
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  Speaker 1: Uh too often tend to be on the down side
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  Speaker 1: of it, and it's exhausted. I love it and hate it.
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  Speaker 1: It's exhausting to watch the Tigers give up a run
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  Speaker 1: on a double steal but an error, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: it's it's exhausting to see Jose Ramirez poke a ball
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  Speaker 1: that I think would have landed in the in the
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  Speaker 1: batter's box on the or assuming on the on deck
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  Speaker 1: circle on the other side, had he not just reached it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a double, and then you know, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's a bunt and another bunt and like all these
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  Speaker 1: things that our generation is supposed to hate, Cody and
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  Speaker 1: just like being thrown in our face with what Cleveland does.
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  Speaker 2: And I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I hate him for it because it is kind of
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  Speaker 1: fun their style, but it's really bad to be on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of it.
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  Speaker 2: And the Tigers once again.
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  Speaker 1: Have just proven not up to the task. What were
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  Speaker 1: they one for thirteen with runners in scoring position on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: So like the whole Cleveland thing.
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  Speaker 1: Is they just kind of pressure pressure, pressure, and then
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  Speaker 1: the valve comes loose. The Tigers were pressure pressure, pressuring,
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  Speaker 1: and the valve stayed closed and that's and that's how
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  Speaker 1: you spoil a school ol return day. And we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about school here in a second. But man, just like
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  Speaker 1: I think the only reason I had the energy to
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  Speaker 1: do this podcast is because there wasn't a third game
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  Speaker 1: between the Guardians and the Tigers, because I just might
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  Speaker 1: have been I just might have been exhausted. But but
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  Speaker 1: let's let's let's get to school real quick. That's obviously
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  Speaker 1: the biggest story of the weekend, perhaps in the entirety
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  Speaker 1: of Major League Baseball. The care school returns. He gets
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  Speaker 1: almost through five four point two, has the five runs
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  Speaker 1: he gives up, it's three runs, two earned with the
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  Speaker 1: with the home run there, four k's and walk so
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  Speaker 1: overall impressions of Trek Scuble in his u in some
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  Speaker 1: ways miraculous return from elbow surgery.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, I just yawned. I'm not yeawning at Schoolboy.
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  Speaker 3: I was out at Flannery's Pub too late.
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  Speaker 2: Never apologized for that, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was a great time. The cast of the
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  Speaker 3: Great Gatsby Crew came in there, watched the end of
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  Speaker 3: the finals. It was great. Trek Scouble was well, like
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  Speaker 3: I was about to say, he was great. He wasn't great.
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  Speaker 3: His stuff looked normal, which I think is the most
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  Speaker 3: encouraging sign if you want to know, like yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like is anything you know wrong here? Are there any
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  Speaker 3: lingering effects from the surgery as we have really seen
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  Speaker 3: from the first time he threw a bullpen. No, the
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  Speaker 3: stuff was there. He came out, he threw ninety nine.
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  Speaker 3: The fastball average, I think ninety seven seven is actually up.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't talk about a lot at the time because
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  Speaker 3: it was early in the season, but his velocity had
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  Speaker 3: been slightly down per Trek Schoubl standards. Early he was
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  Speaker 3: only averaging ninety six six, so philosophy was back up
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  Speaker 3: closer to what you want to see. I think reached
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  Speaker 3: what ninety nine point nine, so there's really no concerns
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  Speaker 3: about the velo. Got five whiffs on the change up
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  Speaker 3: nine whifts overall. But it, as both aj Hinch said
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  Speaker 3: and Arrk Tubel, kind of the execution probably not as
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  Speaker 3: sharp as we're used to seeing. He only lasted four
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  Speaker 3: and two thirds. He did get to eighty pitches, which
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  Speaker 3: is kind of what the Tigers had in mind. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a terrible day. You had the one unearned run
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  Speaker 3: and then you had a pitch to Daniel Shaneman that
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  Speaker 3: that scooball hammered and it wasn't. I asked Terrek about
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  Speaker 3: this pitch and I prefaced it like, it didn't look terrible. Right,
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  Speaker 3: it was up and in. It was on the strike zone,
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  Speaker 3: but a little bit up, a little bit in, but
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't O two pitch to a left handed batter.
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  Speaker 3: Scoob will cut me off. He's like, no, it was awful,
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  Speaker 3: and he actually wasn't trying to go up and in.
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  Speaker 3: He's trying to go up and away. So by that standard, okay,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's a pretty big miss. And when it's not
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  Speaker 3: way up or way in right, boom. Only the seventh
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  Speaker 3: time in School's career he's allowed a lefty to hit
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  Speaker 3: a home run. I think three of those, though have
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  Speaker 3: been in two counts, including one earlier this season to
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  Speaker 3: Cord and Carroll. So that was kind of the mistake
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  Speaker 3: that just defined Schoopl's day. And then, in kind of
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  Speaker 3: classic schoobl fashion, talking to him after the outing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of hoping to get some some reflection
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  Speaker 3: on like his return to the big leagues and what
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  Speaker 3: it meant to be there, and Tark just kind of
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  Speaker 3: shuts that down. He said, I don't want to play
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  Speaker 3: into that narrative. I have to be better, plain and simple,
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  Speaker 3: he said. Being just happy to be here is kind
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  Speaker 3: of a loser mentality to me, which that makes it
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  Speaker 3: a little harder to write my story. But I love here.
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  Speaker 3: I love hearing a Tigers player talk about that, hearing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of these other Yeah, I'm not no offense
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  Speaker 3: to these other guys, but you hear a lot of
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  Speaker 3: well that's baseball. Well, you know, we'll come back to
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  Speaker 3: the yard tomorrow. We'll trust the process. Derek School said,
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  Speaker 3: that's a So that's again the edge that comes when
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  Speaker 3: your ace is back on the team and back on
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  Speaker 3: the mound.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well look, I mean that, you know, reading your story
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  Speaker 1: on the athletic which I would encourage everybody to do,
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  Speaker 1: there's some quotes in there about like the juice that
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  Speaker 1: comes with having like terror school on the mound and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff, which is neat to say, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I could tell you that having watched him in
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  Speaker 1: cy young form over these past couple of seasons, it's
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  Speaker 1: not always the run. Production isn't always the result. It
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  Speaker 1: comes from this like juice that you supposedly have with
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  Speaker 1: Terrek scoobl on the mount. How many times have we
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  Speaker 1: had to say, like did they waste a schooll day
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  Speaker 1: or whatever? You know, like that that that's not an
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  Speaker 1: uncommon thing with this team, and and so like, I
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that, but I just feel like if more
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  Speaker 1: dudes had the mentality of a trek schoolbl then we
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  Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be having a lot of the discussions that
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  Speaker 1: we are having that even having this season, Like like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to have the talent of him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even asking you to have the work ethic
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  Speaker 1: of him, although that's obviously Brecklable as well. Just have
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  Speaker 1: the attitude about it, like he is making nold. He
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  Speaker 1: is not trying to be sentimental about Squat while the
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  Speaker 1: season is happening. Maybe in the offseason he might be
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  Speaker 1: able to get sentimental about something, and certainly at award
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  Speaker 1: dinners and such, he does, you know, allow himself to
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  Speaker 1: be open in that way. But there's too much at
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  Speaker 1: stake right now for it to be like, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: like awesome that I just kind of came out here
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  Speaker 1: and like pitched it or whatever. You know, it's just
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  Speaker 1: that's just the reality of the situation and one that
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Tigers find themselves in a deeper hole
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  Speaker 1: after dropping two games to Cleveland. Do you want to
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  Speaker 1: get to the more broadly runners of scoring position now, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: Like I, this is one that I struggled to kind
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  Speaker 1: of like properly assess, because again, it's kind of drilled
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  Speaker 1: into that like situationally, like over the course of a season.
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  Speaker 1: There's not like an actual trend. It's more random than that.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of how we grew up. But this is
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  Speaker 1: via Tigers data on Twitter. In the sixth ending or later,
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  Speaker 1: with the runners in scoring position when the Tigers have
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  Speaker 1: a chance to tie or take the lead, the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: are sixteen for ninety nine. For those that are not
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  Speaker 1: math majors like me, that's a one sixty two batting average.
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  Speaker 2: Like these things just can't happen.
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  Speaker 1: And then if you just go more broadly with how
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers are in runners of scoring possession, it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of they ranked twenty fourth in this, and they
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  Speaker 1: ranked twenty fourth in that, and then you know, oh,
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  Speaker 1: well they're tenth in doubles. That's cool, I guess, But
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  Speaker 1: like everything else is like, really, it's really down there.
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  Speaker 1: It's where teams that you don't associate with being well
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  Speaker 1: run offensive machines are there. And that's what the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: have earned themselves to be this season. With respect to this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, surge that happens, that happened at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the month. They are just not a well run
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  Speaker 1: offensive machine. And so I don't know where this says
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  Speaker 1: blame on that. I don't know if it's like if
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  Speaker 1: it's just execution, if it's a game plan thing, if
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  Speaker 1: it's a philosophy thing that needs to be changed after
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  Speaker 1: what we experienced last year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But the bottom line is when opportunities are to be had,
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  Speaker 1: they are not being had.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's become an issue, and it is always kind
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  Speaker 3: of tricky to talk about. I think fans can react
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  Speaker 3: so viscerally when there's not a hit with the runner
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  Speaker 3: in the scoring position, You're like, what the heck? The
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  Speaker 3: team's terrible at this. The team has become terrible at this,
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  Speaker 3: as you mentioned, now twenty fourth in batting average with
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  Speaker 3: runners in scoring position. You could still say, well, hey,
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  Speaker 3: at least they had opportunities, you know, if they're getting
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  Speaker 3: guys on the bases that can bode well, and that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of what can lead to the offensive explosion like
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  Speaker 3: we saw for the early part of June here where
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  Speaker 3: suddenly you start getting those big hits with runners in
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  Speaker 3: scoring position, or you start leaving the yard a little more.
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  Speaker 3: Creating opportunities is still very important, and you hope if
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  Speaker 3: you keep creating opportunities, eventually you will cash in. But
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  Speaker 3: sometimes I wonder if there's still a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: an approach issue at least, let's like just Saturday's game,
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  Speaker 3: like move the ball forward a little bit more. There
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: were some Riley Green at bats and Kerry Carpenter at
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  Speaker 3: bats that kind of went to waste. Jamia Jones came
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  Speaker 3: up in two big spots. So was that still like
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: a roster issue. We're going to talk about that a
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  Speaker 3: little more. You had Reece Hoskins playing left field most
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  Speaker 3: of that game for the first time since twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: Dulan Dingler hit a triple that bounced off the wall.
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  Speaker 3: Reee Hoskins turned around about four times, had no idea
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  Speaker 3: what was going on. Maybe you just hit the ball
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  Speaker 3: to the left field grass a couple times and you
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  Speaker 3: could have won that game. But the Tigers were not
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  Speaker 3: able to do that. They were not able to get
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  Speaker 3: the ball out of the infield when they needed to. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I try not to like fall into the trap of
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  Speaker 3: like reacting so emotionally every time there's a runner in
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  Speaker 3: scoring position. But clearly this team still has some offensive waitness,
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  Speaker 3: is clearly moving the ball forward, connecting at bats, all
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  Speaker 3: those things we talk about. Is is an issue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna tell you what it feels like. What
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  Speaker 2: it feels like. It feels like.
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  Speaker 1: The meeting of the mound that sometimes happens in these
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  Speaker 1: crucial situations. Uh, in the game plan recheck and you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the stuff that the that the defense, last of
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  Speaker 1: pitching is doing that could be and you know probably
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  Speaker 1: is situation specific is not being is not being countered
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  Speaker 1: from the Tigers in the batter's box. Is that a
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  Speaker 1: game plan issue? Is that a scout issue? Is that
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  Speaker 1: just a player issue? I don't know, but it's just
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  Speaker 1: that's that's to me. What it feels like is that
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  Speaker 1: when you come up in these crucial situations, you are
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  Speaker 1: not able to match.
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  Speaker 2: The You're not able to match what they're bringing to you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't that that's what it feels like to me,
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  Speaker 1: uh so that in and of itself, if you could
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  Speaker 1: just make that average return rate on with runners in
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  Speaker 1: scoring position, you are winning so much more games. You
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  Speaker 1: are in so many more games, whether you know whether
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  Speaker 1: they can turn into wins or not. And you certainly
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  Speaker 1: start to feel better about this offense as a whole
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  Speaker 1: right now. You you, especially when you talk about what
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  Speaker 1: happened on Saturday where you get all those runners in
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  Speaker 1: scoring position. That's again, that's just scoring pocision, not just
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  Speaker 1: on runners in scoring position. There's no reward when you
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  Speaker 1: go one for freaking thirteen, Like it's like, oh cool,
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  Speaker 1: oh cool. Carry Carpenter drew a walk, you know, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, got hit by a pitch in a crucial situation.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome, Like good at bat, carry whatever, Well, don't
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  Speaker 1: mean squad, the guy behind him strikes out, rounds out whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes it's a little bit more random, like the
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  Speaker 1: cold key swing and all that stuff, but it's not
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  Speaker 1: random when it keeps happening. So I've talked about self
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  Speaker 1: scout a lot this season, and I just feel like
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  Speaker 1: there's a heavy self scout that needs to kind of
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  Speaker 1: be had with this in particular, like why is If
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  Speaker 1: this was football, no one would say, well, it's random.
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  Speaker 1: Our red zone offense isn't really isn't, you know, Pready
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  Speaker 1: points you would start going down to the basics and
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  Speaker 1: figuring out why. They got to figure out why because
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  Speaker 1: obviously the runners and scoring position is an equivalent of
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  Speaker 1: the red zone offense. So we'll definitely have more opportunities
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that after the Houston series. Which speaking
• 14:21
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  Speaker 1: All right, Cody, I guess now is also a good
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  Speaker 1: time as we kind of jump back into the pitching
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  Speaker 1: Tarrek Schooable per colleague here at the Foul Territory Network,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Bob Nightingale saying the Tigers are waiting until the All
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Star break. After the All Star break, to kind of assess.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: The Terrek Schooble situation feels like an update that's pretty regular,
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  Speaker 1: but it is out there, so we will acknowledge it.
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  Speaker 1: And now with the Jack Flaherty injury and the weird
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  Speaker 1: circumstances around that, the Tigers rotation still feels and you know,
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  Speaker 1: no game on Sunday. We're still kind of in flux here.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on with the with the rotation?
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  Speaker 3: First, on the school thing. I mean, as sick as
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  Speaker 3: I am of talking about this, I don't really think
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: we should talk about the trade deadline anymore until July.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Tigers are giving away Terrek schoobl bobbleheads on both July
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: seventh and July eighth, so they're not trading Trek Scooble
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: before Trek School Bobblehead back to back siye on Bobblehead Day.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I literally always think of Alavilo when the Tigers signed
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Hobby Bias and he said, oh, we can have bobblehead
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: days now. The marketing department used to call me and say,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: who's still going to be on the roster? You know
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: x dat, And he didn't know what to say, and
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: then he did, so I don't know if this actually happened.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: But I wonder was there a conversation of like, hey, Scott,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: what's like the earliest you would trade Schooble And Scott
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: has said, well, it won't be before the All Star break.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: It's just funny.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: To envision Bob as sources everywhere.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's that in terms of the rotation man
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: so much time talking about the rotation, Well they go
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: to a six man, what will this mean? Blah blah blah,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: and then Jack Flerty slips and some of that conversation
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: becomes a little simpler, at least for the next fifteen days.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Here Flarity on the IL with a perennial strain I
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: had never heard of before, basically the lignitments going down
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: to the outer part of your ankle. I don't know
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: what that feels like. It must have felt strange because
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Flarerty even said, I don't really know how to describe it.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: They weren't sure exactly what's going on. They just knew
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: something was wrong with his lower leg. Unfortunate that he
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: will go in the IL. I think he probably wanted
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: to avoid it. It was interesting witnessing Chris Fetter and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Flairty talking the outfield. I couldn't hear what was said,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: but it looked like a kind of stern conversation and
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: it did end in a hug. But I wonder if
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: that was the Heyjack, you gotta go in the IL.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: We can't afford to see how you feel given where
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: we're at in the season. And it's interesting that Tigers
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: will roll into Houston with Troy Milton starting Monday from
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Bervaldez making his return to Houston Tuesday, and then Casey Mice,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: who was supposed to pitch in the Sunday game that
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: was postponed. He will now just be pushed to Wednesday.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Tigers are doing that because basically they don't want to
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: disrupt everyone else's routine in terms of inserting Casey Miz
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: back in. They will live with disrupting Casey Mice a
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: little bit, but he's keeping everyone else on the same schedule.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And there are a couple of other things still up
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: in the air. Number one, what's gonna happen with cater Montero. Well,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: he's actually gonna come out of the bullpen potentially in
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: this Houston series. Doesn't completely mean he's been moved to
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the bullpen. Forever. But given where the Tigers are at,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: given the importance of each game, They're gonna bring him
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: out of the pin hope he can be a strength,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: and then the Tigers have an off day Thursday. After
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: that series, they're gonna kind of regroup and chart the
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: path forward from there. A big part of that path
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: forward is Justin Verlander. What are they gonna do with
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Justin Verlander? I don't know. He's not pitching in Houston
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: as they want to, hope he'll throw a sim game
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: in Houston kind of rather than a rehab stint. Because
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the minor leagues are off Monday, they want to keep
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: him on that regiment, which will mean pitching on Monday.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: And then I think JV is certainly frustrated he hasn't
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: been activated yet, you know, asking him what boxes does
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: he still have to check? He basically said, Hey, it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: time to you know what, or get off the pot.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: And I think maybe that's what we're nearing. Tigers going
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: to put him in the major League and see how
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: it goes. It's not really what they want to do.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: It's not ideal for the Tigers, it's not ideal for anyone.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: We will see if that actually comes to fruition, or
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: if they try to maybe give him another rehab start,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: but the time is nearing where they're just going to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: have to activate Verlander and hope it goes okay. No
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: one loves that hope. It's not a great strategy. There's
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: clearly still concern about the level of JV's stuff. I
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: think Verlander himself, he's just hoping the adrenaline of a
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: major league game will get him going and maybe things
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: can go a little bit better. It's become an awkward situation.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: But with the Flarity injury means there's a chance they
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: could just move forward. You know, they're about to play
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: fourteen games in fourteen days. They could just have a
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: six man rotation that features Montero and Flarity. They could
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: go with a five man rotation again using Montero. I
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: think they want to use him kind of like they
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: use Troy Melton down the stretch last year. He can
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: have some multi ending outings. Maybe he can open know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: he can kind of do a lot of different things
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: and then you can use him aggressively, or or it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: possible they roll with six guys until Jack Flaherty returns,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: so that that's kind of the latest on the rotation.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Man, between watching the Guardians and Tigers back to back
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: days and trying to figure out a pitching rotation, that's.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: A lot to handle mentally there, Cody.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, I I I agree with JV, like, like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: how how long can we kind of keep this going here?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Especially when options, I want to say are limited, But
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: like this is this is exactly why he was brought in.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's you've been really taking your time with this. No
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: one would accuse the Tigers or JV of of short
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: changing this this process and eventually, like you just got
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to figure out whether this is doable or not.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: And certainly the Tigers if something could give them somewhat
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of a boost or juice, like maybe Verlander coming back
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: is something there even obviously if he's not like classic JB,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he's still justin Verlander to a lot of these you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: major league major league players and teammates.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So we shall see with that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And then the uh, I would say, the opportunity I
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: guess given that there the game was banged on Sunday,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and then uh, Casey Maiz doesn't have to be activated
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: until start day?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Is that? Hyu Lee?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Who had a couple of nice defensive plays at a
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: base knock over the weekend. Looks like he's gonna get
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit more opportunity here, uh this week, which
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Credit to him.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: They he's he's certainly somebody that they keep kind of
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: looking toward, and like I kind of I've made jokes
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: before about how I'd like to see him pull the ball,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: but uh, but maybe this is something that like they
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: kind of need to see if there's like an extended
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: run possibility in there, and this kind of set of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: circumstances gives them more of an opportunity than initially supposed.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've kind of kicked the can down the road
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: with Verry Lander, and they're now ending nearing the end
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: of that road. And I think the Mice thing bought
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: them at least two more days to basically postpone a
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: big roster decision. They're gonna have Lee go to Houston
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: as an extra position player, and when they activate Mice,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to get rid of a position player.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: So is that gonna be how you Lee or have
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: we neared the end of the road with Jami Jones.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I think that's that's kind of where we're at with
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: that Jami Jones. Look, it was a big topic this weekend,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: It's been a big topic for a while. But he's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: four for his past fifty one. His numbers all season
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: have not been good. And I asked Aj Hinch Sunday morning, basically,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: how much longer can you can can you do this?
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: You know, how much longer can you give Jamai to
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: keep going? There's a long answer. I'm not gonna read
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: it all. AJ started out saying, you know, it's been
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: a tough year, but he continues to hit the ball
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: pretty hard. It's actually not wrong and maybe part of
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: why they've given him so much a leash. Like the
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: average axi velocity is good, the barrel rate is not terrible.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: His expected batting average is too what thirty three, which
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: is not great, but it's a lot better than his
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: actual batting average of one thirty six. So maybe that's
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: a little explanation of like why we've seen so long.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: But towards the end of it, the answer, I think
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: AJ starts to get a little bit more real. We
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: need Jami to do his part for the roster to
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: truly funk, for it to truly function, the way the
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: strategy is designed and how the roster is built. They're
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: going to continue to give him opportunity because they believe
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: in him. But at one point AJ says, Hey, production matters,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: and I think that is interesting. Production matter, and we're
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: going to can you continue to work with him because
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: we believe in him? So I don't know what you
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: expect AJ Hinch say in that situation. He can't go
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: up there and talk about one of his players and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, yeah, he sucks, We're done with him.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: He kind of tried to cover all the bases in
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: that answer, But I do think it's hearing decision time
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: and maybe some deeper conversations that we've mentioned about, like
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: this roster strategy. As a whole, the Tigers have used
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: pinch hitters more than any team in baseball one hundred
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: plate appearances. That's twelve more than the next closest team,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: and those pinch hitters rank twenty ninth with a four
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: to sixty seven OPS. It's just not working. It's not
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: getting better. That the blackjack analogy comes back into mind.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Let's say you keep hitting on sixteen and you've lost
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: six hands in a row. The book tells you. The
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: more you do it, you will eventually start seeing those returns.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: But you're sickle losing hands. What do you Maybe the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: best thing is, like you just hope the cards stop
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: giving you sixteen. Maybe that's the equivalent of like shuffling
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: the roster a little bit, or even sticking with Look,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think they love carry Carpenter against lefties. They
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: just don't. I'm not sure they love cool Keith against lefties.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But is it time to give at least one of
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: those guys some run? Like maybe? Maybe so if what
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: you're doing just isn't getting results. I feel bad for
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Jami Jones. He's a great guy, popular teammate, everyone likes him.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: It's near decision time here and Ajhnsch has worn a
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: bond of criticism. His in game moves are getting chopped
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: up after every game. Uh, some of this is on him.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: It's also the front offices job to make the necessarily
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: roster necessary roster moves, and we'll see if they're ultimately
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: going to be willing to do that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Twice on Saturday, I was like, all right, Jami, do
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you a lot of good based not here and twice
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: good deliver, you know, and like, so I went and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: looked like at you know, just like a little bit
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: deeper into his career numbers, because it's actually ky remarkable.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: We forget prior to last year and you know what, June,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: when did you get called up last year? Whatever, it
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. He really yeah, like he wasn't like he
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't have that much major league experience outside of playing
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: for the Tigers. Really and so, like I just went
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to his twenty twenty four season. He only played thirteen games.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: He had twenty three at bats against or at thirteen
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: games against left handed pitchers. Twenty three at bats. It's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: like the three four average nine to twenty five. Ohps,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, Dan, that's awesome, but it's also twenty
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: three at bats, you know, and then we obviously, well
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you know what the numbers were last year, and then
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you combine them with what they are this year. I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: think it's time to accept that he doesn't actually have
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: a track record as a lefty killer. I think he
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: had amazing season. Like I'm gonna be telling like I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: mean serious here, I'm gonna tell my grandkids about Jami
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Jones as a pinch hitter against lefties. Like in twenty
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: twenty five, like it was awesome.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Grand kids are gonna be very bored of that story.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Well, if they're my grandkids, are probably gonna really love it,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna be They're gonna they're gonna be they're
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be nerding out about the same stuff I nerd
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: out on.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: But the reality is that it's just not like the track,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it's not a real track record. It's like it's two
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: thirds of a season of just being this awesome tool
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: off the bench.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Other than that, Jami Jones is like what.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He's he twenty eight, twenty nine, whatever, twenty eight, Like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it's a long track of just not being much of
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: a major league player. And that's kind of what the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: reality we probably have to accept right now. Even though
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I love watching you know, I love like kind of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: like the dude that he is, the emotion that he
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: plays with, it's just not working.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Cody and I and I like that quote from Aj.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: It's really just paraphrasing stuff that we've been saying for
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: like the past six weeks.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Production has to matter.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's continue the Blackjack analogy here. And sometimes it
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: feels a little bit like Jami's twenty twenty five season
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: was you sit down at the table and that day
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: you hit a lot of blackjacks. Every time you hit sixteen,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: you know you get a five. You win your double downs,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: you win your big.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Hands, you're splitting, you're splitting.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: You walk away with some cash. Just because you walked
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: away with cash or that one time doesn't mean that's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: gonna happen every time you sit down at the blackjack table.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: That the house always wins for for a reason, and
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: that's that's.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And again, if he's not hitting Lefty's, he doesn't offer anything's.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: And that's a huge part of it. And that's why
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I think how you leave versus Jami Jones is an
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: interesting roster discussion. And as much as how you lead
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: does a lot of things I don't I don't love
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: from like an esthetic perspective, and I don't know how
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I evaluate them, or I know a lot of scouts
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: who don't like him. He can at least play the field, Karen.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: You can at least use him in different ways. He
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: can be a pin schater, he can start You can
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: start him on fromber days if he liked his defense,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: like there are at least multiple uses and you're right,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: that's a huge problem when you have this one dimensional
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: component we talked about in spring training. Is that worth carrying.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: It's a lot more palatable when you're getting production to
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: that one job. When you're not, it's tough to justify.
• 30:31
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• 30:35
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• 30:37
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• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Right, coming back here, man, James Outman a move that
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: like we still were trying to figure out last time
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: we talked, and now like the construction of it makes
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: a little sense, But talk about just kind of endearing
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: yourself and getting the full Detroit Tiger's experience all the weekend. Cody,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: he has a diving catch, he has a home run,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: and then he has the uh, the lesson of always
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: look at Joey Kora because he's he's gonna tell you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: more and more often than not to go from first
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to third instead of stopping that second. But but you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the Outman thing, I was just kind of trying to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like go through different scenarios in my head, and I
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: was like, people keep talking about the twenty twenty three
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: out of production that he had, and then whether there's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: some of that is still in there now that's three
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: years ago. Chances are, and he's a waiver claim, chances
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: are probably not. But is there an opportunity here with
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Parker Meadows still recovering, with Hobby Bias still recovering, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you don't have seem to have a lot of confidence
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and wentz Perez and you know, the numbers kind of
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: bear that out.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And then Matt.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Vierling still not really performing all that well at the plate,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Like could this kind of be his job, like the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: center field job? Could this be James's here for a second?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Like is that like opportunity? Like in front of him?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: You are muted right now, So I gotta.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I think, all right, I think the opportunity is there
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: for sure, at least until one of hobbyer Bias or
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Parker Medal's returns. The Tigers could use better defense in
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: center field. I think after we I think I understand
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the outman move a lot more than I did at
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the time. I was way off one thinking it could
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: be like onnsel Perez who got sent down just because
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I thought if the Tigers were going to dfa someone,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: that would have been the initial corresponding move. Instead, they
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: moved bias to the sixty day. That's probably because the
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: timing and when they were trying to get this to
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: go down. It was like, I think in the middle
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: of the game or right before a game, maybe they
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: didn't want to part with someone in the active roster
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: if they didn't actually have to in the event there
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: was an injury or something that day. So makes a
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: little more sense. Aach Schwart's gone and James Outman is here. Basically,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: what you're doing is moving a major weak spot offensively,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: but a pretty good glove from shortstop to center field.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Tigers have the worst outfield defense in all of baseball
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: by defensive runs safe, which is not what you want.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Matt Feerling, I didn't realize care about minus nine. That's
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: not great, Like you can't really work with that, especially
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: in a place like America Park. So they're hoping their
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: their center field defense gets a little bit stronger. Yeah,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Outman's like minus five for his career, but minus five
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: for your career is actually like, yeah, okay, you've been
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: negative one, which is which is like not bad. You
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: know that, Like that's how you have to think about
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: defensive metrics. So they do that. That's going to push
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: more Vierling and Perez to a corner where they should
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: be a little bit better. That allows more McKinstry at shortstop,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: more McGonagall at shortstop, and it can give whoever's not
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: playing Wintle or Veerling another bat off the bench. So
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: that like, that's kind of the thought with the Tigers
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: love to recapture twenty twenty three James outman. Of course,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I don't even think they did this move with a
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: ton of optimism about his bat. I just think they thought, Okay,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: we can reconfigure this roster a little bit, strengthen our
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: outfield defense, you know, move move some of the offensive
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: burden to the infield. So, knowing you swapped him for short,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't hate it, I get it. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: kind of like it. I don't know how much of
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a difference it's gonna make, but I don't know. Just
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: if he keeps shitting home runs and making diving catches,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: maybe he'll be fine.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: It's funny about that twenty twenty three season for James
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: is that against left handed pitching, one hundred and thirty
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: or one hundred and fifty four played appearances is two
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: to fifty four average, three fifty seven on base, no
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: power whatsoever with.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: A three zero eight slug.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: But but you know, the guy was getting on base
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and collecting base hits against lefties three years ago. Just
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, just something of note, because
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: like Matt is a negative one point two war player
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: this year, Cody, like, it's just like not good. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and in fairness, I went and looked at his splits.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I can't believe he's hitting two to eighty against lefties.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, left, Well, I think, all right, he's gonna get
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: some of these that bats v Jones coming up.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that you lump some of that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: in and you're getting actual production there, and then some
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: of these things make a little bit more sense. Of course,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: he's also hitting one to sixty five against righties, so
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: so so yeah, like the the Matt stuff, it cannot
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: be allowed to just kind of exist in its own
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: space while everything else in this roster is in flux.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And so that's why the move makes a little bit
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: more sense to me now. And look, I don't know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe James has something he probably you know, most
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of these things don't work out in like Hollywood fashion obviously,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: but there is some sort of skill set there that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: should have a real tangible effect on on the roster.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: So it given what we saw, given how the reasoning
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: played out, I do feel a little bit more like,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: all right, there could be like something that we can
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: hang on to here, especially when it comes to Matt
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and Winsol and the center field responsibilities. All right, let's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: wrap up here, Cody one of the if I obviously
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I hope everyone knows, like I don't mean this in
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a like mean way, but like, if there was something
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: that happened this weekend that would give the Tigers a
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: little bit more opportunity to kind of make a run
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: at the division or whatever is that. Unfortunately, Jose Ramirez
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: got hurt this weekend. It's another hammet bone injury, this
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: epidemic across baseball, it feels like, and he's going to
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: be out at least until July. So, you know, the Guardians,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: as much as we like commend them for just like
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: playing this style and doing this and doing that, you
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: take away a Jose Ramirez from your lineup every day
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: like that is going to hurt them. So if there's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: like a gleam or whatever for the Tigers in this division.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: It's that big bad Cleveland just lost their biggest and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: baddest dude, and I think that will have a real
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: effect on them.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll It'll be really interesting. The Guardians serve as
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: a great mirror for the Tigers, right, we talked that
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: you've lost eleven of twelve regular season aims to them.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: You're very similar in terms of how you construct your team,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: kind of how you aspire to play. But the Guardians
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: have just been better. They've had more success. You've yet
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: to thrown them in the division. You've had a couple
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: of playoff battles with them. They won one, You won one.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: You look, now, the biggest difference between the Guardians and
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Tigers is payroll. The Tigers can actually spend more. They
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: are ninth in payroll, the Guardians are last, and the
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Guardians are still better. They made better decisions. They they
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: certainly developed pitching better. There's a while the kind of
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: thought the Tigers could be the next Guardians in the
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: last two years, that's kind of tapered off. You know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: a similar style. Offensively, they have a Jose Ramirez. They're
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: not the same without them. But yeah, you want to
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: like look yourself in the mirror. You think you have
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: a lot going for you as an Oregon In some ways,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the Tigers still do. But just look two and a
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: half three hours to the south, and here's Cleveland, still
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: better than you, with a much cheaper payroll, just churning
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: things out better than you. The Tigers have to hope
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: the Guardians fall off, man, and it may be tough
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: for them without Jose Ramirez, with some of the other injuries,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: they may be navigating going forward. But this weekend was
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: also tough because, like, you had started the month of
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: June so well and then it's just like the margin
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: for error is just so thin, it's like non existent.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: You lose two games, you're back to thirteen games under
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: five hundred. It's six and a half out of the
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: war at the time of recording. Like it's it's that's
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: that's a little bit demoralizing. It doesn't take away from
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: like this team can still play better, they can still
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: hang around in it, but you lose one series, man,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: and it's like.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Woof, yeah, well it just it felt like a And
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I think this Astro series coming up is huge too.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: And by the way, Hunter Brown is going to be
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: back for Houston. So that's going to be a lift
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: for them and the craft out and all that stuff.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: But I just.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: If you were looking for like signs of momentum kind
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of moving forward. It's not just that you lost the
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: two games there and who knows what would have happened Sunday,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: but you you didn't show any of the signs of
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: what we had seen in this month. This this game
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: should have been played at May or this weekend should
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: have been played at May. Dude, Like, what were we
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: doing wasting it in June with all these hot bats.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: They weren't there. They weren't there in Cleveland. They got
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: rained out before the rain out.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: The other glaring difference between this scenes the Guardians have
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: a lockdown bullpen. It's like you're never Yeah, nobody scores
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: against against them in the seventh, eight or ninth innings.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: That was another thing.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was another thing for James Outman, is that
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like his baptism into into being a Tiger, is that
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: you know, you gotta face Kate Smith in the ninth
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: like and to his credit, you gotta walk right so
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: like uh with a with a with a challenge in
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: there too, so uh so, yeah, I mean the Kate
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Smith still gives nightmares that I gaddis even. I mean,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: he was not broken by the Wildcard series last year.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: He's coming back in the form. So yeah, locked down
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to say the least, and like they just have this
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: like presence about them that gets into your head. Obviously
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that's the only way to explain.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: All this stuff.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: And right now the Tigers, outside of like Schooble, just
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: don't really have that and that's the problem.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not wrong. Let's say the Guardians collapse, though
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: it is interesting, like who's gonna Are the White Socks
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: really going to win the Al Central? If you want
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: to talk yourself into some hope for the Tigers, I
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: think that's how you have to frame it all right,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Guardians also erra mirrors. They could be in some trouble.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Are the How real are the White Socks? Because the
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Twins aren't winning this division? Right? I don't think so,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: It's like, all right, could the Tigers make a run?
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: We got ninety some odd games still left to figure
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: it all out?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Ninety hair pulling and shaking, just like what is this sport?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Games left?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And we're gonna be there the entire time. I want
• 43:06
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• 43:20
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• 43:23
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• 43:24
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