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What Is Ahead For FSU and The ACC, Plus The Coming Football Season? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the third Hour Show fifty two hundred. We
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  Speaker 1: did it yeses crazy Huh Show two hundred, The Morning
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  Speaker 1: Show with Preston Scott Jose. Can you see over there
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  Speaker 1: in Studio one A proving that yes, you can make
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  Speaker 1: it up. It is Monday, July twenty second, and it's time,
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  Speaker 1: my friends to talk a little FSU football and we
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  Speaker 1: are joined by Ira Chaffell, the managing editor of war
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  Speaker 1: Chant dot Com. Ira, I gotta tell you, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: with the stuff I've had to talk about the last
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  Speaker 1: few weeks, this is just warm and fuzzy time for me. Pal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's college football finally here, man, we got acc
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  Speaker 2: kickoff starts today Charlotte and then in just I guess
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  Speaker 2: two days for to state the open practice, and then
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  Speaker 2: one month after that will be in Dublin for a
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  Speaker 2: kickoff of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Now you are in Charlotte, give everybody just a little
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  Speaker 1: snapshot what happens over these few days.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of talking, just the talking season has officially begun.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Norvella is here with three players, Darius Washington, the
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  Speaker 2: O offensitive lineman, defensive lineman, Josh Farmer and Patrick Payton.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to start their interviews this morning at ten thirty.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually something nice that FSH she does. They'll make
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  Speaker 2: their contingent available to basically just the FSU media who
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  Speaker 2: made the trip up here first at around ten thirty,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll have videos and updates from that. Then they'll
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  Speaker 2: just be basically going through a battery of interviews with
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  Speaker 2: everyone from radio stations. They'll have radio row like you
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  Speaker 2: see it like the super Bowl obviously should be familiar with,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, just basically breakout rooms with different reporters.
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  Speaker 2: ESPN will get a plenty of time with them, and
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  Speaker 2: the ACC Network will get plenty of time with them,
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  Speaker 2: and basically they'll go through that un till about five
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  Speaker 2: o'clock today. Then those three schools, the three schools going
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  Speaker 2: today are FSU, Georgia Tech, and SMU. Then there'll be
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  Speaker 2: three more schools tomorrow, three more schools the next day,
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  Speaker 2: and then the final day is Thursday with the final
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  Speaker 2: three schools. I believe Clemson's going on the final day,
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  Speaker 2: Miami's going tomorrow or Wednesday, I'm not sure which. But
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  Speaker 2: they broke it up over four days this year, which
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  Speaker 2: is different. It used to be two or three days
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  Speaker 2: and now with the conference being you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: thirty five forty teams whatever it is. Now they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: split it out over three days, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think I know the answer to this, But I
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  Speaker 1: have to ask, do you sense any grudge among the
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  Speaker 1: FSU party shall we call it and ESPN?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I made a comment to Mike
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  Speaker 2: Norvela probably a month or so ago he did an
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  Speaker 2: interview with Greg mcloy and some FSU fans on our
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  Speaker 2: message boards were mad that he wasn't he didn't show
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  Speaker 2: any animosity towards McIlroy and uh in Norville was like,
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  Speaker 2: he kind of shrugged his shoulders. He's like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember who said what. You know, Look, in his job,
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  Speaker 2: he obviously can't do anything. Uh, it's not going to
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  Speaker 2: help him if he if he comes across as bitter
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  Speaker 2: or angry, it's not really going to help him. The players,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that they saw, you know, just from
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  Speaker 2: what I can gather, I don't know that they saw
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  Speaker 2: it as much as an ESPN thing as much as
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  Speaker 2: they did just a sport of college football, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the sport as a as a whole. They felt like
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  Speaker 2: wrong them. I, you know, you and I may believe
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  Speaker 2: I certainly do the ESPNS at the heart of that,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know that the players see it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Suddenly going to be civil, especially you know for Mike Norvell,
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be a professional no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I expected that is the journalists deep down inside
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  Speaker 1: of you, Ira, because at your core, that's what you are.
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  Speaker 1: You're a You're a journalist. Is there a part of
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  Speaker 1: you that, like me, still feels like there are unanswered
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  Speaker 1: questions that need answers. For example, I'm still bothered that
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  Speaker 1: we've not had a discussion over the fact that ESPN
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  Speaker 1: owned a sports book and was promoting a sports book
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  Speaker 1: while all of that was going on.
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  Speaker 2: No, I certainly do, And you know, after in the
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  Speaker 2: months afterwards, you know, I really explored a few different
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  Speaker 2: avenues to see if the committee members would talk about
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  Speaker 2: just the process, because that's the biggest thing. You know, look,
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  Speaker 2: let's just talk about the process. How did you guys
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  Speaker 2: make the decision at what kind of input did you
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  Speaker 2: get from ESPN and what kind of guidance did you
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  Speaker 2: get from different people? Because the committee members are just
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  Speaker 2: like former coaches and athletic crickers and for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: people who've been in the game, and you know, can
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  Speaker 2: we just have conversations individually about how it all went
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  Speaker 2: down and and none of them have been willing to
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  Speaker 2: talk individually about the process. So I'm with you. I'd
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  Speaker 2: love to see that. I just don't know that we
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  Speaker 2: ever to get those answers.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. It's the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
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  Speaker 1: Back with Irish Chaffell of warchand dot com. He's a
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  Speaker 1: managing editor. That's where you subscribe and get all the intel.
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  Speaker 1: ready for the college football season, Ira, what's the most
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  Speaker 1: important thing that happened between the end of the season
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  Speaker 1: and the start of the new season for this year's team?
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  Speaker 1: Was it the arrival of Djongola or was it something else?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's one hundred percent DJ Leeway.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, you said it right, Yeah, hey man.
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  Speaker 2: It's I probably shoot about sixty percent on that. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see it will take it up. I hit one, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I think that to me, that changes
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  Speaker 2: the complexion of everything. I think if you if Florida
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  Speaker 2: State had decided and a lot of people thought they
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  Speaker 2: may do this, that you know, after going thirteen to
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  Speaker 2: one and losing as many players they did, ten players
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  Speaker 2: to the NFL Draft, several other players signed this free
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  Speaker 2: agent that maybe this will be a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a step back year and kind of reload for next season.
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  Speaker 2: But once they decided to go out and get dj
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  Speaker 2: to me, that was a pretty strong sign that Mike
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  Speaker 2: Norvel's not in the of the mindset that this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a reloading year that he thinks this
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  Speaker 2: is a year because you only get him for one year,
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  Speaker 2: and this is a year where if you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: build for the future, you could get Brock Glenn and
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  Speaker 2: maybe even the other freshman quarterback, Louke Cromenhawk some experience
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  Speaker 2: this season to kind of build them for next season.
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  Speaker 2: Going out and getting DJ and then you saw them
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  Speaker 2: really go out hard in the transfer portal again getting
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  Speaker 2: Malik Benson, the wide receiver from Alabama. Actually they got
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  Speaker 2: five players from Alabama. They got Martin Jones junior from Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: They were went out and got a lot of marquee players,
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  Speaker 2: probably the highest profile transfers that they've gotten since they've
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  Speaker 2: been a Florida state. And I think it's a sign
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  Speaker 2: that Mike Gorvelt wants to have another big season.
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  Speaker 1: Hira. If you go back to the success of Bobby Bowden,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was with Brad Scott as his OC or
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  Speaker 1: Mark Rick as his offensive coordinator, I look at the
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  Speaker 1: way that they ran that quarterback room and how they
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  Speaker 1: got those backups really good playing time in their freshman
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  Speaker 1: sophomore years, and they did that real smart turnover. Are
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  Speaker 1: you thinking that that's kind of what Norvel is embracing
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of let's get some games put away and
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  Speaker 1: get these other guys out on the field, or let's
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  Speaker 1: get them out on the field either way and get
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  Speaker 1: them some meaningful snaps whether the game's in balance or not.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is I personally think this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a year where they do try to get
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  Speaker 2: certainly them quarterbacks, but a lot of other positions as well,
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  Speaker 2: get some guys opportunities because it does two things. Number
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  Speaker 2: one is it helps you build to the future. But
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  Speaker 2: also number two, it gives you an idea of what
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  Speaker 2: you have for the next year and what you need
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  Speaker 2: to go get in the next year. You know, Like defensively,
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  Speaker 2: I think Florida say rotates extremely well. You know, even
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  Speaker 2: last year when you had Jared Versus and Patrick Payton
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  Speaker 2: the defensive end, right, they rotated in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: younger defensive ends. I think you may see more of
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  Speaker 2: that offense. Especially I've got some young receivers Hai Keid Williams,
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  Speaker 2: some of these younger guys, the freshmen that they signed,
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  Speaker 2: the receiver Elijah Moore and these other guys. I think
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna want to see what those guys can do
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  Speaker 2: to give them an idea of what they need to
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  Speaker 2: do in the transfer portal next season, or if they
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  Speaker 2: can rely on more of those homegrown guys.
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  Speaker 1: On the defensive side. Was Patrick Payton flirting with departing
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  Speaker 1: FSU a result of nil and was that why he
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  Speaker 1: was retained or is it something else?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a combination. I think part of
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  Speaker 2: it was a little bit in il. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of those frustration that when that all
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  Speaker 2: happened in December, you know, and the emotions were so
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  Speaker 2: raw for this football team because you know, they had
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  Speaker 2: and everything they were told they were supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: They went undefeated, they won the ACC championship, and then
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  Speaker 2: they got left out of the playoff, and I think
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  Speaker 2: there was a period of time there where things were
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  Speaker 2: uneasy in the throughout the program where guys, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of guys were kind of wondering, you know, can we
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  Speaker 2: win the national championship at ACS in Florida City? Are
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  Speaker 2: they going to hold the ACC against us? Are they
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  Speaker 2: going to hold this conference against us? With deciding who
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  Speaker 2: to take and so I think it was a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things, but it ultimately for Florida State, I think
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  Speaker 2: they did a really good job of getting to him
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  Speaker 2: and just explaining to him, listen, man, everything's fine. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it was a situation where he was holding
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  Speaker 2: them hostage. I just think there was a lot of frustration.
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  Speaker 2: But Nil certainly was part of it, and it always
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  Speaker 2: will be in this state of college football.
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  Speaker 1: Irishchaffelle with us for one more segment when we come back.
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  Speaker 1: The latest on the FSU versus ACC legal battle here
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  Speaker 1: on the Morning Show with Preston Scott back with Irishafel
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  Speaker 1: of war Chant dot Com. I saved this there could
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  Speaker 1: be a standalone topic ira the ACC versus Florida State
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  Speaker 1: University quickly an overview for people that are not aware
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  Speaker 1: of the complexity of this. What is this all about?
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  Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day, it's just
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  Speaker 2: about Florida State trying to get out of the ACC
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  Speaker 2: because they're stuck in this conference contractually till twenty thirty six,
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  Speaker 2: and the payoffs are going to stay relatively flat throughout
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  Speaker 2: that time. Like what Florida State makes this year from
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  Speaker 2: the AEC, probably around forty million dollars, will be essentibly
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  Speaker 2: the same as it's going to be for the next
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  Speaker 2: ten to twelve years. And meanwhile, the Big ten in
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  Speaker 2: the SBC have expanded, They've added big schools, the SEC
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  Speaker 2: obviously out of Texas and Oklahoma. Big ten went out,
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  Speaker 2: got USC and UCLA, and now their new contracts are
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  Speaker 2: going to call for those conferences, the schools and those
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  Speaker 2: conferences to make maybe eighty to ninety million dollars a
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  Speaker 2: year from their television deals, and so Florida State is
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  Speaker 2: sitting there saying, well, we have to make somewhere near
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  Speaker 2: that money. Stead of forty million a year, we need
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  Speaker 2: to be eighty or ninety million a year to compete
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  Speaker 2: with the Florida Gators, to compete with these other schools
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  Speaker 2: in the SEC and Big Ten. So what they're suing
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  Speaker 2: for is to try to get the ability to get
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  Speaker 2: their TV rights back so that they can join one
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  Speaker 2: of those conferences. And then what it's going to come
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  Speaker 2: down to, it's in the legal system.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: FSU is suing the ACC, Clemson is suing the ACC,
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  Speaker 2: and the ACC is suing both of them back in
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  Speaker 2: three different states. These lawsuits are going on basically to
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  Speaker 2: determine how much are these schools going to have to
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  Speaker 2: pay to get out of these contracts so they can
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  Speaker 2: get into maybe one of those other two conferences and
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  Speaker 2: make the kind of money that those other schools are making.
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  Speaker 1: What would you say to those that say, yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: the ACC enhanced its conference with Stanford and cal.
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  Speaker 2: And that'snu also right.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot about poor SMU. That tells you all you
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  Speaker 1: need to know. I forgot about them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, basically those are three schools. And this is part
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  Speaker 2: of fshu's lawsuits is you know, when those conferences went
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  Speaker 2: out and got four or five of the biggest brands
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  Speaker 2: in college football in the Big Ten also added you know,
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  Speaker 2: Washington and Oregon, you know, the ACC got the leftovers.
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  Speaker 2: You know, SMU wasn't taken by the Big twelve or
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  Speaker 2: or the Big Ten. Talents in Stanford were not taken
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  Speaker 2: by the Big Ten when the Pac twelve got raided,
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  Speaker 2: and so basically the ACC just added some leftovers to
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  Speaker 2: kind of improve their inventory. But at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, it's not going to do anything to help
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line. And so yeah, it's it's a rough situation.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a lot of people, you know, get
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  Speaker 2: mad at ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips, who were going to
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  Speaker 2: hear from later today. That should be interesting. But at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, he's stuck with these schools.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the conference you're in. When Florida
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  Speaker 2: State joined the ACC thirty years ago, thirty plus years ago,
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  Speaker 2: the world was different. College basketball actually brought in more
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  Speaker 2: money from the NCAA tournament. The college football brought in
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  Speaker 2: from TV it's completely the opposite now and the ACC
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  Speaker 2: is just kind of it's just a conference that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people think as dead man walked well.
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  Speaker 1: And now by adding sm you, cal and Stanford, you've
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  Speaker 1: added remarkable costs for all of the schools that will
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  Speaker 1: play each other.
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  Speaker 2: Among that group, it's a huge headache. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: talk about you know, obviously football is what's the heart
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  Speaker 2: of all this, but yeah, you talk about sending baseball teams,
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  Speaker 2: basketball teams, tennis teams, golf teams, you know, across the
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  Speaker 2: country to play tournaments and not just that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, and we can roll
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  Speaker 2: our eyes at this in this age of college athletics,
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  Speaker 2: but they are still student athletes. But we're still required
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  Speaker 2: to go to school. And now you start adding that
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  Speaker 2: travel on top of their school work and in top
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  Speaker 2: of what they do for practicing and competition. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a mess. And this isn't unique to Florida State.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's these other conferences too. You know, the Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten's got schools from Rutgers in New Jersey, across the
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  Speaker 2: California and up to Washington. So's it's just it's we're
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  Speaker 2: in a state of transition right now. I hope at
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  Speaker 2: some point the money makers make it work to where
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  Speaker 2: we can get back to some regionality. But these next
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  Speaker 2: few years I think are gonna be kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Big Ten and to whatever extent the SEC,
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  Speaker 1: they've got more money to play with to get those
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  Speaker 1: teams back and forth. Iralosing clearly your sources would tell
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  Speaker 1: you that there is a an end result here. F
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  Speaker 1: SU win separation, they get their buyout, maybe they make
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  Speaker 1: payments over a few years, and then they join the.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, I probably say at this point, I
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  Speaker 2: probably say still say the Big Ten. But I've gone
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  Speaker 2: back and forth a ton of times. I still, as
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  Speaker 2: a guy who grew up in Florida, I still hope
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  Speaker 2: it's the SEC. I just think it's a better fit
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  Speaker 2: geographically and culturally. But you know, the Big Ten may
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  Speaker 2: have a bigger appetite to expand than the SEC does.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm hoping is that once the SEC realizes the
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten is serious about Florida State, that maybe they
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  Speaker 2: jump in and protect to the southeast. But right now, man,
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  Speaker 2: I go back and forth, like the winds, the winds
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  Speaker 2: across the just the planes.
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  Speaker 1: Ira, You're a good man for making the time. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Looking forward to the start of the season
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  Speaker 1: and our visits. Thanks so much and best to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you to Preston, take care.
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  Speaker 1: Iras Chapel with us from the ACC meetings in Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: Look at us. That's how we roll around here. And
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  Speaker 1: a week from today, Mike Alford Michael Alford, the athletic Director,
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  Speaker 1: vice president of Athletics for Florida State University.
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  Speaker 2: He's the AD.
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  Speaker 1: He will join us for a state of the knowles
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  Speaker 1: and we'll have him for almost a full hour. And
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  Speaker 1: that is next Monday here on the Morning Show with
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  Speaker 1: Preston Scott