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Protecting Your Gathering · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our Conversation podcast and a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a different intro to the segment. This time Charlie Strickland
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Speaker 1: back with me from the Talent Training Group. It's been
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Speaker 1: a while since Charlie's been able to join us, and
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Speaker 1: we got to talking about an event that took place
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Speaker 1: just the night before and it actually led to our
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Speaker 1: entire discussion this morning on the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
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Speaker 2: Last night we had a big church safety event at
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Speaker 2: a manual Baptist We had a couple hundred people plus
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Speaker 2: there at this event, and Stephen Wilifford from suther Southern
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Speaker 2: Springs Baptist Church that stopped that shooting was there and
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Speaker 2: there were a lot of people came up afterwards, iod, Hey,
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Speaker 2: listen to your Are you in Preston in the Morning
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Speaker 2: or JD. And I said, I am back. There you go,
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Speaker 2: and I'm back.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk for a second about that church gathering and
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Speaker 1: remind everybody, the gentleman that you had in as your guest,
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Speaker 1: what happened in that church.
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Speaker 2: Well, what happened was a stranged person from one of
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Speaker 2: the church members went in there looking for a relative,
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Speaker 2: you know, he wanted to do some bad things and
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Speaker 2: went in with an AR fifteen and and a pistol,
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Speaker 2: and he walked around the church and just started shooting
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Speaker 2: this church up on a Sunday morning from the outside
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Speaker 2: and ultimately and they thought it was just something firecrackers,
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Speaker 2: something going on outside. Next thing you know, will it
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Speaker 2: start coming into the church, into the sanctuary. And then
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Speaker 2: he comes into the church and starts shooting people with
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Speaker 2: a rifle and then walking up and executing him with
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Speaker 2: a pistol. And he shot He killed like twenty two
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Speaker 2: and shot twenty four more. I mean, there was forty
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Speaker 2: something people wounded, injured or killed in that. And mister
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Speaker 2: Wilford was a member of the church and he was
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Speaker 2: several doors down taking the day off. First time in
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Speaker 2: like eight weeks. He didn't go to church, but he
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Speaker 2: was going on call at the hospital as a plumbing
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Speaker 2: person or something. He was a retired guy, but he
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Speaker 2: worked part time in the hospital and he's in our instructor.
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Speaker 2: He hears the gunshots. His daughter goes in and says, hey, Dad,
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Speaker 2: wake up, there's a there's something going on at the church.
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Speaker 2: He grabbed an R fifteen, didn't have loaded magazines. He
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Speaker 2: popped about eight rounds in the magazine, walked, ran down
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Speaker 2: the road barefooted, yelled. The guy stopped what he was
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Speaker 2: doing because he heard somebody coming, walked outside, immediately engaged
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Speaker 2: mister Wiliford with his handgun. Wiliford shopped back, hit him
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Speaker 2: a couple of times in the guy's body army. He's
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Speaker 2: wearing a level three body armor and a kevlar helmet,
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Speaker 2: and they engaged in a vehicle pursuit. He hopped in
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Speaker 2: a truck with someone else, went down the road and
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Speaker 2: the guy ended up offered himself after mister Wilfrid shot
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Speaker 2: him several times. And I mean there would have been
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Speaker 2: more people killed had he not done what he did.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he intervened, He did what he what people
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Speaker 2: should do. There was you know, I think miss listening
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Speaker 2: to Stephen talkie and I think some of his only
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Speaker 2: regrets not being able to respond sooner sure having a
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Speaker 2: loaded magazine and being able to be there quick, or
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Speaker 2: not having gone to church that day because the entire
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Speaker 2: church safety all the people that were armed in that
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Speaker 2: church were somewhere else that day. Oh my, it speaks
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Speaker 2: to how important it is to have people in the right place.
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Speaker 1: We're back with Charlie Strickland of the Talent Trading Group
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Speaker 1: our Personal Defense segment, talking about a meeting at a
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Speaker 1: local church here just last night, and you mentioned that
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Speaker 1: just circumstances were such that in this church they didn't
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Speaker 1: have really anybody ready.
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Speaker 2: At the time. They didn't have a team per se.
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Speaker 2: There were several well I think he's three, four or
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Speaker 2: five guys that you know, all had guns and shot.
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Speaker 2: They were the people who were normally armed in the church.
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Speaker 2: And they felt pretty good about this. And this is Texas, too, sure,
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Speaker 2: but the and it's not a small small church. I
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Speaker 2: mean there's forty something people shot in this thing, so
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Speaker 2: I mean it was its big. You know, it's not
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Speaker 2: a tiny church. But the So yeah, somebody was out
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Speaker 2: of town that day, and somebody was running late, and
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Speaker 2: mister wiliferd was taking the day off because he had
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Speaker 2: to go on call all night that night and was
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Speaker 2: getting some rest and just turns out that there was
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Speaker 2: nobody in there that was armed on that particular day,
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Speaker 2: which was unusual. So you know, God in weir body
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Speaker 2: armor for nothing, may bee he anticipated resistance, But so yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean it's important, and you know some of the
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Speaker 2: takeaway from that are making sure that you have in
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Speaker 2: your organization. And this doesn't just mean churches. It can
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Speaker 2: be other organizations as well. But if you're in a church,
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Speaker 2: you really should have a team. And it is very
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Speaker 2: prevalent now it is the norm that people will have
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Speaker 2: some sort of organized group of guys, either formerly endorsed
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Speaker 2: by the church or people who just get together and
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Speaker 2: say we're going to do this. A lot of people,
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Speaker 2: you know, well, we don't want the church knowing per
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Speaker 2: se because we don't want to do with insurance issues
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Speaker 2: or all this. But so what's happening nowadays is becoming
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Speaker 2: more common for a formalized plan, standard operation procedures to
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Speaker 2: be put into place, forming a team, selecting a team,
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Speaker 2: having people who lead that team and are responsible for
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Speaker 2: training that team, and that that team getting training and
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Speaker 2: going to the range and spending time doing things and
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Speaker 2: working on de escalation techniques and how to encounter somebody
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Speaker 2: at the door, where you've got greeters who are should
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Speaker 2: be armed that know how to you know, make eye contact,
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Speaker 2: judge people based on you know, their body language and
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Speaker 2: appearance and you know, casually maybe just shake their hand,
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Speaker 2: maybe put their arm around them see if they've got
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Speaker 2: a gun on them or something. Welcome, brothers, thank you
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Speaker 2: for coming. Yeah, I mean, so it's people in churches
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Speaker 2: tend to be in the South, tend to be a
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Speaker 2: little touch you pheeley. This is a great opportunity to
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Speaker 2: do it unless you're you don't want to be patting
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Speaker 2: down women or anything. But at the same time, unless
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Speaker 2: you're a woman, and if you've got a female ushers
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Speaker 2: and men aren't going to object too much. So it's uh,
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Speaker 2: you know serious, sure, yeah, so so but you know
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Speaker 2: that's that's it's their techniques to it. I mean, the
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Speaker 2: thing is is that if you're in the house of worship,
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Speaker 2: you should have people there that know what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: They should there should be a plan in place that
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Speaker 2: should be in writing if if it's endorsed by the church. Listen,
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Speaker 2: and it was down there. It just you got to train.
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Speaker 1: Backward. Charlie Stricklin of the Talent Training Group, And we're
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Speaker 1: just sort of taking advantage of the recent event as
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Speaker 1: in last night.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty.
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Speaker 1: Recent and the proliferation of churches and organizations now mindful
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Speaker 1: of security. And let's talk a little bit more about
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Speaker 1: about the planning and the don't let this happen either
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Speaker 1: type of scenarios that we were talking about, where you
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Speaker 1: have multiple people inside, all with the best of intentions,
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Speaker 1: but if something goes wrong, you need to have a
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Speaker 1: plan for when something goes wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one church I was watching a video.
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Speaker 2: It's been it's been a while since it occurred, where
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Speaker 2: a guy comes in, pulls a shotgun in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the church and shoots a couple of people. One
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Speaker 2: was trying to shoot him and he got shot first,
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Speaker 2: and another one drew and shot this guy. And you
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Speaker 2: look on a video in like half of there's like
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Speaker 2: four or five people jump up and are all point
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Speaker 2: and guns and there's a lot of movement in there.
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Speaker 2: And so there was some good came out of that.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately two people were killed, but the good of it
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Speaker 2: was that multiple people that did in fact respond. But
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Speaker 2: you have to you have to be you have to
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Speaker 2: consider the fact that there are a lot of sheep
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Speaker 2: dogs that are going to church, people who want to
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Speaker 2: be armed, people who are armed, and you can't stop
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Speaker 2: them from being armed. They're gonna carry but they may
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Speaker 2: not be part of your team. They may not be
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Speaker 2: part of the response. No more than as a business
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Speaker 2: owner or someone who has a plan for your business,
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Speaker 2: you can't help which which customer happens to draw a gun.
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Speaker 2: And you, as a as a armed citizen, you may
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Speaker 2: draw a gun not considering the fact that other people
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Speaker 2: don't know who you are. And now all of a
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Speaker 2: sudden you're walking running around with a gun and responding
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Speaker 2: officers or other people see you with a gun and
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Speaker 2: you may be the one that gets shot because there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of factors that go
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Speaker 2: into this. But in a church, so if you've got
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Speaker 2: a team, and you have a formalized team, then you
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Speaker 2: want to let everybody in the church know that we
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Speaker 2: have a formalized team, we have a plan. If you
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Speaker 2: carry that spot. However, if something happens, unless it's right
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Speaker 2: next to you, you need to let us do our
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Speaker 2: thing because we don't. You don't if you're not part
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Speaker 2: of our training, you're not part of the solution. You're
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Speaker 2: just you're just attending here. Yes, protect yourself and your family. However,
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Speaker 2: let us do the job because that's what we have
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Speaker 2: prepared and trained to do, and we have a system
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Speaker 2: worked out. Now, if a couple of your team members
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Speaker 2: are down, then obviously, you know Katie bought a door,
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Speaker 2: it's time to make a change in that game plan.
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Speaker 2: I would have a hard time sitting there as a
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Speaker 2: twenty year SWAT veteran, sitting in a church and leaving
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Speaker 2: with some guys who have some weekend training do something
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Speaker 2: without me intervening. But then again, if I were going
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Speaker 2: to a church regularly, I would be on the team
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Speaker 2: so well.
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Speaker 1: And if not, for example, I know of situations where
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Speaker 1: someone that has your background is not part of the
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Speaker 1: team for a myriad of reasons, just timing or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But they're aware of what we do and they understand
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Speaker 1: that we do have this ofce you know there, so
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Speaker 1: there and at that point that they can be helpful
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Speaker 1: because of their years of experience.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and you have to if you're running
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Speaker 2: a team and you're you're working with a team, you
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Speaker 2: need to look at what's going on. You've got a
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Speaker 2: guy shows up with the Briger LCP in this front pocket.
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Speaker 2: That's not a church. That's that that's get off me.
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Speaker 2: That's not responding to an actual shooter in a church
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Speaker 2: firearm because it's not accurate. Beyond you and I are
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Speaker 2: four feet apart from each other five feet apart. That's
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Speaker 2: the limit of the accuracy, particularly under stressed with that.
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Speaker 2: And that's body shots. Yeah, I mean that's a run up,
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Speaker 2: screw it in his ear and pull the trigger gun.
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Speaker 2: It's not beyond that. And so and I know people
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Speaker 2: that carry one in their pocket regularly, and that's great,
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Speaker 2: but it's not if you're If you are planning to
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Speaker 2: respond to an incident in a crowd where accuracy is
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Speaker 2: absolutely important, you need to be training, training headshots, training,
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Speaker 2: shooting under stress, training, moving and shooting, stepping to the side,
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Speaker 2: trying to find an angle where you can get a shot,
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Speaker 2: and all these and you need to be shooting a
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Speaker 2: competent weapon with some sembilance of accuracy. Let's be honest.
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Speaker 2: Handguns are tough guns to fight anyway. You really should
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Speaker 2: be fighting with long guns. But people aren't carrying long
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Speaker 2: guns since churches. Sure, bad guys will come in with
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Speaker 2: one and you're fighting back with the pistol. Don't let
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Speaker 2: it be a six shot rigger LCPN three eighty that
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Speaker 2: you know you've you've shot out of your pocket a
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Speaker 2: few times. It needs you need to have. You need
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Speaker 2: to be competent and use the right equipment and and
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Speaker 2: I'm really encouraged. I'm just made that we have to
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Speaker 2: do this as a country. But we've seen it coming
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Speaker 2: for a long time. Instead of people hiding their church
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Speaker 2: teams and having conversations in hushed tones. It's becoming more mainstream.
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Speaker 1: Yes it is.
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Speaker 2: And if you're in a church or a temple or
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Speaker 2: mosque or where whatever you may worship, and you don't
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Speaker 2: have the mindset in that house of worship to protect
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Speaker 2: that house of worship, then you are yeah, I mean
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Speaker 2: you really should. Now you can always hire armed security
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Speaker 2: to protect your place. Now that happens a lot. I
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Speaker 2: mean I have a company and we protect a couple
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Speaker 2: places people high law enforcement. It's not fool proof, not
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Speaker 2: fool proof you still, I mean there's you should layer
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Speaker 2: this to where you have different layers of protection. But
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Speaker 2: sometimes it's good just to throw a uniform presence out
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Speaker 2: front if you want it, If you have got the money,
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Speaker 2: you can spend the money, then you know that's certainly
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Speaker 2: an option.
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Speaker 1: Thirty five minutes past the hour, two more segments with
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Speaker 1: Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group. Our Personal Defense
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Speaker 1: segment We've been talking about church security, and it really,
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Speaker 1: like you said, devtails into any organization, any large group
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Speaker 1: where you have an organized security presence in some way,
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Speaker 1: shape or form. I've heard you and JD talk about
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Speaker 1: this on Talent Outdoors. You and I have discussed this
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Speaker 1: off and on over the years, the growth of red dots. First,
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on them for the person that is in
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Speaker 1: this security team role.
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Speaker 2: Well, I used to think those things were cool, and
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Speaker 2: then I tried using them, and I didn't think they
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Speaker 2: were cool. And then they got better. And now some
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Speaker 2: of them sit lower on the bore axis, they're closer.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna co witness some of the newest
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Speaker 2: ones with your pistol sites now. And so now, for
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Speaker 2: an old guy like me that shot hundreds and hundreds
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Speaker 2: of thousands of times in my life with regular sites,
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Speaker 2: it's not as hard for me to utilize them. They
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Speaker 2: are very accurate because and they're no more accurate it
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Speaker 2: inherently than open sits. But the thing is is the
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Speaker 2: red dot you can shoot with both eyes open very easily.
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Speaker 2: It's tough to train yourself to shoot with both eyes
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Speaker 2: open with standard sites, but with the red dot, a
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Speaker 2: holographic site, not a fixed laser that projects on it
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Speaker 2: for the people that are listening, but the one where
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Speaker 2: you look through the glass and you actually like the
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Speaker 2: radical of a rifle, you see a red dot or
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Speaker 2: a circle with a dot or something like that. Then
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Speaker 2: what that does allows you to keep both ice open,
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Speaker 2: utilize all your peripheral vision, and still see the dot superimposed,
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Speaker 2: and where that dit is is where the bullet goes
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Speaker 2: every single time, as long as you can maintain gripping
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Speaker 2: and trigger control and you're not bobbling the pistol around much.
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Speaker 2: It's easy to practice with these dry fire. With these,
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Speaker 2: you unload the gun and push it pointed across the
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Speaker 2: room at something on the wall and pull the trigger,
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Speaker 2: and then work your slide and point again pull the trigger,
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Speaker 2: so repetition ways to do that. They are awesome in
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Speaker 2: technical environment because you can in fact see where you're shooting,
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Speaker 2: and instead of trying to focus on the front sight,
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Speaker 2: which is how you shoot accurately with with standard sites,
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Speaker 2: it's you reference your rear sight, but it's front sight focused,
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Speaker 2: front sight focused, and you superimpose that clear front sight
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Speaker 2: on the blurry target. But in real life that's really
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Speaker 2: not how things go down. When you see a threat,
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Speaker 2: you are so focused on the threat, the person with
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Speaker 2: the gun. The gun, you know in scenarios we shoot.
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Speaker 2: When you're doing force on force training with plastic bullets
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Speaker 2: or whatever, you get shot in the hand. More than anything.
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Speaker 2: It's the one you have the gun in, or the
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Speaker 2: knife or the hammer or whatever we were presenting a
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Speaker 2: threat with. We get shot in the hand a lot
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Speaker 2: because people are so focused on the threat, that's what
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Speaker 2: they're pointing things at. But your eyes are going to
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Speaker 2: focus on the target by just that's what you're going
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Speaker 2: to look at. Okay, And unless you are really really
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Speaker 2: really advanced in your training, that's where under stress you're
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Speaker 2: going to look is at the target. The sites are
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Speaker 2: going to be a secondary thought, if at all, and
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Speaker 2: so getting that accurate hit is going to require you
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Speaker 2: to consciously pull back away from the target and look
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Speaker 2: at that front site in order to get an accurate hit.
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Speaker 2: But with a red dot, any kind of holographic, whatever
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Speaker 2: brand it is, if you repetitively shoot with that and
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Speaker 2: you actually train with it, so your eye goes to
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Speaker 2: that through that site and sees that red dot, you
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Speaker 2: can still focus on the threat. And you because your
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Speaker 2: eye can only focus on one plane at the time,
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Speaker 2: they see either the rear sight, to the front side,
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Speaker 2: or the target. You can't focus on multiple distances at
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Speaker 2: the same time. But with the red dot you can.
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Speaker 2: You're looking at the target, you're looking at the threat,
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Speaker 2: you're sizing up the threats as it is what it is,
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Speaker 2: assessing that and the red dot happens to be there
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Speaker 2: and that's where the bullet's going to go. So there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of value, which is why you're seeing most
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Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies go to red dots. In this day
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Speaker 2: and age, the technology has come come a long way.
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Speaker 1: All right, final segment here, Charlie Strickland, our personal defense segment,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to just take it to the final
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Speaker 1: I guess length here of the run and that is okay. Training.
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Speaker 1: We were just talking about just standing still and pointing
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Speaker 1: at a paper target doesn't really get it done when
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Speaker 1: you're talking about preparing for critical stress.
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Speaker 2: Now, if I'm standing shooting at a paper target, it's
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Speaker 2: either because I'm having a qualify for one of the
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Speaker 2: four dead Gum qualifications I have to do every year,
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Speaker 2: or it's because well involved in different groups and different
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Speaker 2: licenses on. You have to qualify. Okay, I reckon, I'll shoot,
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Speaker 2: so I'll figure out some way to put a hole,
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Speaker 2: strall and go. But when you go to the range
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Speaker 2: to actually train, if I'm shooting in a paper target,
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Speaker 2: it's because I'm working on my draw yep. I'm working
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Speaker 2: from drawing from concealment, trying weapon presentation, things like that,
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Speaker 2: or I'm just confirming all of the things still work.
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Speaker 2: I'm going through the motions. I'm finding the front site fundamentals. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: just working on fundamentals. Otherwise, what I'm doing is I'm
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Speaker 2: working from behind cover almost exclusively. I'm working or to
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Speaker 2: the right or the left of cover. I'm utilizing my
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Speaker 2: strong hand. I'm either using a crossover technique or I'm
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Speaker 2: transitioning to my support side hand. I'm using the other eye,
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Speaker 2: so I'm not presenting too much of my head from
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Speaker 2: behind the corner of cover. So I'm working cover. Or
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Speaker 2: I may be you know you mentioned on the break,
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Speaker 2: you know, getting up out of a chair. I may
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Speaker 2: be drawing from a seated position like I'm in a car.
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Speaker 2: I turn, you know, turned to the right ninety degrees
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Speaker 2: and my target would be on my left like it
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Speaker 2: was on my driver's window, or turn the other way
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Speaker 2: if it's my passenger window. So if you're training for
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Speaker 2: a team type response, it's critical that you work as
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Speaker 2: if you were in a crowd of people moving around,
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Speaker 2: and so you're sitting in a chair or a pew,
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Speaker 2: or you're standing by a door working the doors cover
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Speaker 2: as if someone were coming in the outer area of
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Speaker 2: an organization and trying to get into the sanctuary, pretending
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Speaker 2: there's a crowd of people. You know, a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: Forget that there are three dimensions when it comes to this.
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Speaker 2: There's not just left, right, forward and backwards. There's also
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Speaker 2: up and down, and so taking a knee and shooting
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Speaker 2: moving to something where you have a steady or also
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Speaker 2: thinking in terms of a lot of people are going
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Speaker 2: to be standing up and you're all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: you can see someone across the church, across the sanctuary,
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, everybody stands up starts running around.
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Speaker 2: You can't see them anymore. So if you've got a
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Speaker 2: sturdy enough position to stand on, you just want to
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Speaker 2: get a fold and chair or something. But if you
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Speaker 2: have something a sturdy enough bench, you may want to
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Speaker 2: consider stepping up to a higher getting above everyone's head,
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Speaker 2: and shooting down into a situation where you know, now
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Speaker 2: you can see above everybody and you can take a
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Speaker 2: shot from a different angle. You want to think about
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Speaker 2: the different angles, different positions, maybe moving. I don't move
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Speaker 2: and shoot, I move to shoot exactly. I move, I pause,
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Speaker 2: and then I shoot from a standing position and I
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Speaker 2: move again. I don't try to shoot into a crowd
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Speaker 2: or the crowd and while I'm walking. You know I
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Speaker 2: used to do that with us in law enforcement. Move,
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Speaker 2: don't stop, keep shooting. That's oppressive fire, that's not accurate fire.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm trying to hit a headplate on
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Speaker 2: a on a steel rack while I'm walking, I'm not
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Speaker 2: likely to hit it as what I need to I
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Speaker 2: need to move. Pause. But you also, you know you
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Speaker 2: should work on how you move smoothly, gun up, then
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Speaker 2: also work How am I going to work around a crowd?
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Speaker 2: How am I going to work through a crowd? So
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Speaker 2: if I bring my gun down to a safe position,
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Speaker 2: muzzles down, how do I push through a crowd of
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Speaker 2: people to get to the threat. You know, one hand's down,
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Speaker 2: the strong hands down, muzzles pointed down, I'm as outside
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Speaker 2: of the trigger guard and and I'm moving through the
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Speaker 2: crowd and I'm moving people out of the way. And
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Speaker 2: you can do this with your group dry where you
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Speaker 2: just unload the weapon, make it safe, and have all
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Speaker 2: the people stand around, and you have to push through
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Speaker 2: there and then come up and then drive fire. You
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Speaker 2: can then do that live if you trust the group
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Speaker 2: and you've got a good instructor. You just need to
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Speaker 2: you know, things to be careful with. We do it
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Speaker 2: with law enforcement. So it's just you have to judge
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Speaker 2: your group on their skill set. But you can set
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Speaker 2: up barricades or where you have to move through a
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Speaker 2: certain team to try to get to something. There's so
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Speaker 2: many different things that you can do. Keep it, keeping
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Speaker 2: it interesting, keeping it cutting edge, keep giving someone different.
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Speaker 2: Because if you're just gonna come to the range, everybody shooter,
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Speaker 2: stand around and shoot, they're gonna shoot their mouths off
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Speaker 2: more than they're going to shoot their guns, and they're
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Speaker 2: not going to enjoy it. You've got to throw something
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Speaker 2: interesting at them. And then you also, as a formal team,
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Speaker 2: you want to document that training. You want a roster
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Speaker 2: of who showed up that day, a written summary of
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Speaker 2: what you did, and then keep that as a record.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you want training records because when you go
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Speaker 2: to court and it's a civil suit, you keep in
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Speaker 2: mind you don't want to go bankrupt because you're trying
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Speaker 2: to pay for all the legal ramifications of what you
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Speaker 2: did in that situation, just because you're trying to protect
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Speaker 2: your church. It's really important that your team record these
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Speaker 2: things and keep records and document it because it's going
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Speaker 2: to come up in court. They're going to go, did
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Speaker 2: you train, Yes, we did, all right, we want to
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Speaker 2: see your training records, and you're going to go When
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Speaker 2: we look at the calendar, I'll tell you what days
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Speaker 2: we trained on and we'll all get together. No no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: write it down. Good stuff. Thank you, good to see you,
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