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Patriots Unfiltered 3/12: Analyzing Patriots Free Agency Moves, Best Free Agents Available, Draft Talk · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing free about free agency. I'm telling you, until they go.
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  Speaker 4: Out there and make a splash on the receiver market,
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  Speaker 4: it's not going to feel complete and it's not going
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  Speaker 4: to feel.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get into what they haven't done yet. Let's
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  Speaker 3: talk about what they have.
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  Speaker 2: We got to be honest about it.
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  Speaker 3: We will get to that. I want to talk about
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  Speaker 3: who they've signed first. I'm getting there because everyone writes
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  Speaker 3: in the well, Hey stonk he stonk he stonked.
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  Speaker 2: He started all year, but he's stunked to I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really see enough out of Woodson.
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  Speaker 3: He's stock questions for Paul and the group on their
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  Speaker 3: favorite topic of free agent contract.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, we're doing math over here.
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Three years and eleven is thirty three. I'll read this again. Michelle,
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  Speaker 3: It is Thursday here at Jillette Stadium and free agent
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  Speaker 3: frenzy going on at Jillette Stadium. Seven free agents signs
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  Speaker 3: so far something like that. More than that eight and there.
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  Speaker 3: Most of them are in the building today. So it's
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  Speaker 3: very busy time here. It's gonna be a lot of
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes content that you're going to be seeing
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  Speaker 3: later on Patriots dot com and Patriots social accounts. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: there'll be some press conferences coming up later on uh
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  Speaker 3: this afternoon. So the car wash is going on with
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  Speaker 3: free agents, so let's get right into it. It's Evan,
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  Speaker 3: Paul Stuce, it's me, it's Matt and the booth. Let's
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  Speaker 3: talk about some of these signings that they've made. Very sensible,
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  Speaker 3: heady chestnut check or so nice.
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  Speaker 1: I like how you said, Fred Wall.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with Romeo Dobs because he was signed I
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  Speaker 2: think about sixty seconds after we got off here.
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  Speaker 7: Stretch for that one. I think they did it.
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  Speaker 5: Yesterday too with Byered.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Catchwenty two ended in thirty minutes later.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Byron.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to figure way catch twenty two, but I
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  Speaker 7: mean that's the podcast.
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  Speaker 5: They got to be worried about it.
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  Speaker 3: I think in their heads they're actually giving us respect.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to like step on their show. So
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  Speaker 3: we'll wait with our news until they're done.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, right, interesting way to want. Interesting take that's.
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  Speaker 1: Built up a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: There's plenty of talking my Romeo Doctors, Romeo Dows. I
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  Speaker 2: would say my impression of Romeo Dobbs is that good
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  Speaker 2: at a lot of things.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not great at.
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  Speaker 2: A particular thing.
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  Speaker 1: Evan wrote, you know, a really good piece breaking them down.
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  Speaker 2: My impression of him, strong hands, uh you know, tough player,
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  Speaker 2: good on contested catches, you know, maybe not the the
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  Speaker 2: speedy burner kind of a guy, uh you know, but
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  Speaker 2: ability to get open quick. A lot of his touchdowns
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  Speaker 2: are right off the line down there, just you know,
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  Speaker 2: quick slant move and go again. Love his hands and
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  Speaker 2: his ability to catch the ball. So I think he's
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  Speaker 2: a really versatile piece for Josh McDaniels. It makes sense
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  Speaker 2: to me that he's going to move him around to
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of different stuffs. And as you know, Paul's
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  Speaker 2: pointed out, you needed to replace Stefan Diggs. I think
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  Speaker 2: this is a pretty good replacement for you know, I think,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think he maybe do more than what
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  Speaker 2: they had sold last year.
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  Speaker 3: But we have to we have to do this exercise
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  Speaker 3: with anyone who has that type of potential. Why is
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  Speaker 3: he available?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I did the drafting wide receivers
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  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. I think they're ready
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  Speaker 2: to turn it over to the Texas. They have good
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  Speaker 2: depth from last year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Matthew Golden, jan and Reed, Christian Watson when he's healthy.
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  Speaker 4: Tucker Kraft will be back at tight end, so they
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of mouths to feed already. This is
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  Speaker 4: a move that the people are really high on across
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  Speaker 4: the league, A ball knower type of move that you
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  Speaker 4: got to really watch this kid. And reduction isn't eye popping.
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  Speaker 4: It's you know, seven hundred and twenty six receiving yards
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  Speaker 4: I think it was last year, which was his career
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  Speaker 4: high so far. It's not it doesn't jump out at you.
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  Speaker 4: But when you watch the tape and you think about
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  Speaker 4: the way that Green Bay offense the volume is just
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  Speaker 4: not necessarily there because they run the ball a decent amount,
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  Speaker 4: they spread it around a decent amount, so they're not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily featuring one receiver who's getting a.
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  Speaker 5: High volume of targets.
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  Speaker 4: Just the only thing I'd add to what Duce said
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  Speaker 4: about his skill set, this is a really good route runner.
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  Speaker 4: Like he's a really good separator against man coverage. He's
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  Speaker 4: got a great feel for zone, good job running, you know,
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  Speaker 4: little options or conversions within the routtree. He's a really sudden, smart,
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  Speaker 4: savvy route runner. You know, similar I would say in
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  Speaker 4: that respect to Diggs, where this is a guy that
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  Speaker 4: can really has a feel for getting open and sort
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  Speaker 4: of understands that part of the craft. So I think
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  Speaker 4: the this is a one for one replacement. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he's here to play the Digs role and take the
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  Speaker 4: snaps that Diggs left behind and hopefully the production as well.
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  Speaker 2: How about the safety Kevin Bayern, I mean, when I
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  Speaker 2: saw he was a free agent this year on well,
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  Speaker 2: that makes too much sense. I mean, Frabel talked about
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  Speaker 2: him during the season. The court's been going back around
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  Speaker 2: how he compared him to Hunter. Henry just consummate professional
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  Speaker 2: out standing year last year, was the first team All
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  Speaker 2: Pro and a Pro Bowl for the third time. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's an interesting swap for me with Jalen Hawkins
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  Speaker 2: because you know, he's a little bit older, still playing
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  Speaker 2: at a high level. But you saw as soon as
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  Speaker 2: he kind of signed, Hawkins ended up going to the Ravens.
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  Speaker 2: So on paper, it seems like that's the replacement. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's good leadership, you know, a really good player.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully he can hang on. I mean, he's been incredibly
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  Speaker 2: healthy over the course of his career. He has not
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  Speaker 2: missed many games. Hopefully that can continue. And if it does,
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  Speaker 2: I think it really he is as Craig Woodson is, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, thirty three, three thirty three, he'll be thirty three
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  Speaker 4: by the time the season rule.
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  Speaker 3: But he did have a good season, great season, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of money, nine million of years, I
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  Speaker 3: think it was nine nine.
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  Speaker 7: Not a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean I'm just interested.
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  Speaker 2: What interests me most about this is just how it
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  Speaker 2: helps Craig woods and Craig Woodson really came on at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the season playing with with Hawkins. Now
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  Speaker 2: you've got Buyered, who obviously can do everything that Vrabel
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  Speaker 2: wants to do in this defense. So I think it's
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  Speaker 2: an exciting move. It's just you know, it's one of
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  Speaker 2: those ones where you hope he doesn't start to get
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  Speaker 2: banged up or the age doesn't catch up with him.
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  Speaker 2: But if he's you know, continues to do what he's
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  Speaker 2: been doing, he's going to be a really good player.
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  Speaker 2: I think they got better at that position with buyers.
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  Speaker 7: I do too, and that, to me is the only
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  Speaker 7: thing I care about. I was a little I like
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  Speaker 7: this move.
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  Speaker 8: I was a little surprised by it because of the
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  Speaker 8: way Vrabel talked, because it doesn't really you know, we
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  Speaker 8: wanted to get younger and cheaper, and you got older
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  Speaker 8: and more expensive at the spot. Now I think he's
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  Speaker 8: a better player than Jalen Hawkins. You guys know that
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  Speaker 8: I am not the biggest Jalen Hawkins fan out there,
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  Speaker 8: so I personally think you got better. So that's the
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  Speaker 8: three boxes. Younger, cheaper, and more talented. I think you
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  Speaker 8: check the more talented. There is a concern a lot
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  Speaker 8: of the guys they signed have some kind of sketchy
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  Speaker 8: injury history. This guy does not. This guy plays every
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  Speaker 8: game every year.
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  Speaker 7: So you sort of roll the dice with a thirty
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  Speaker 7: three year old guy.
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  Speaker 8: But then you look and you say, you know, the
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  Speaker 8: guy literally missed one game in ten years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and last year I think he played like every
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  Speaker 3: I think he played like.
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  Speaker 7: Every snap last year. It's not even just that play.
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  Speaker 3: You see that from guards sometimes but not from.
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  Speaker 8: So I like this signing a lot because, you know,
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  Speaker 8: more so because I don't really love Jalen Hawkins, and
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  Speaker 8: I didn't I didn't believe in the Jalen Hawkins hype
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  Speaker 8: train last year. I got a lot of pushback from it.
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  Speaker 8: But it tells me that they probably he wasn't willing
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  Speaker 8: to sign with what they wanted to sign for, and
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  Speaker 8: he ends up going to Baltimore. I think he got
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  Speaker 8: like two and ten, you know, on paper. Who knows
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  Speaker 8: where the guarantee is. I didn't check into that, but
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  Speaker 8: you know, he they looked at Bayered is a better option.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, He's a better player.
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  Speaker 7: He's a much better player.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's a conversation that we can
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  Speaker 4: have about the future of that spot and who's going
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  Speaker 4: to be next to Craig Woodson in the long term.
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  Speaker 4: But this isn't a maybe the best, one of the
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  Speaker 4: best ball hawking safeties of his era, Like he's really
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  Speaker 4: that kind of player. When you watch him on tape,
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  Speaker 4: it's almost uncanny how good he is at knowing where
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  Speaker 4: the ball is going, like he has an eye for
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  Speaker 4: the fall. Yeah, instincts and just like understanding route combinations
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  Speaker 4: of like this is the where they're trying to attack
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  Speaker 4: and the defense right now, and I'm just going to
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  Speaker 4: jump the route. But I'm not going to jump it
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  Speaker 4: too early because I don't I want him to throw it,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm going to kind of bait him into this throw.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he he just has some incredible instincts like that.
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  Speaker 8: I just hope he still has something. I mean, the
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  Speaker 8: season he's coming off is was tremendous. I just hope
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  Speaker 8: he has something left.
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  Speaker 4: I think he moves fyard a lot of where until
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  Speaker 4: I would say, like you you don't want to put
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  Speaker 4: him in man coverage, Like if he gets put into
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  Speaker 4: man to man against like a dynamic tight end or
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  Speaker 4: something like that, that's probably not a matchup that you
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  Speaker 4: want him in. But you kind of assume that a
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  Speaker 4: guy like Craig Woodson or maybe you know, somebody they
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  Speaker 4: draft as a third safety would be a little bit more, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, capable of doing something like that. I want
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  Speaker 4: you want Buyer to seaball get ball. You want him
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  Speaker 4: to have eyes in the backfield and just reading quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: So would you consider those two guys the top so
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  Speaker 3: far of our free agent class?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Vera Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's more details have come out though
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  Speaker 2: about Barah Tucker's contract. It makes you realize it's highly
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  Speaker 2: incentive laden, so they're aware of his injury history, and
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  Speaker 2: that's you know, it's kind of the opposite end of
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  Speaker 2: the spectrum.
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  Speaker 8: You are you considering the roster game day roster bonus incentives.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I just I didn't know if there was incentives that
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  Speaker 7: I wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Whereabout like Pro Bowl, no.
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  Speaker 8: Plays in the game, he could play like crap game
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  Speaker 8: days getting his money right, right, Like he doesn't have
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  Speaker 8: to play at a level.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's why I get his money.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he has a six million dollar incentive package that
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about. So that's because he got three for
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  Speaker 4: forty two with up to forty eight million right possible.
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  Speaker 4: So he has he has probably playing time incentives, maybe
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  Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl instead of I think if he's healthy, he's.
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  Speaker 8: Twenty one million dollar guarantee, so he doesn't have to
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  Speaker 8: do anything to make twenty one.
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  Speaker 7: So they this is a you know, an investment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's opposite in the spectrum, hoping they
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  Speaker 2: can meet in the middle and you know, the highest play.
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  Speaker 7: The highest risk one out of them.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Dobbs has missed some games, but I think
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  Speaker 8: he's been fairly productive when he plays. This is why
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  Speaker 8: I brought him up like two weeks ago, because I
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  Speaker 8: didn't really ever believe in the Alec Pierce interest. Now
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  Speaker 8: maybe I'm wrong, Maybe they really did have interest in
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  Speaker 8: Maybe he just wanted to stay in Indianapolis. I don't
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  Speaker 8: have any I always like to say, remember when Andy
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  Speaker 8: was here and we used to say, like if only
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  Speaker 8: we had sources.
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  Speaker 7: I don't really have any sources.
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  Speaker 8: I just sort of look at stuff like Mike says,
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  Speaker 8: you know, Kevin Bayer, a guy that spent a lot
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  Speaker 8: of time with Mike Rabel just you know, you just
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  Speaker 8: connect dots. And that was to me how I looked
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  Speaker 8: at Romeo Dobbs. Not because I thought he was like this,
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  Speaker 8: you know, blossoming superstar. I think he is what he is.
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  Speaker 8: I think he's a solid number two type receiver, and
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  Speaker 8: I think he'll replace.
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  Speaker 7: Most, if not all, of what you had from Diggs.
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  Speaker 8: I think he can be a guy that goes from
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  Speaker 8: like fifty five sixty catches to seventy five.
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  Speaker 7: Eighty catches easily.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, easily because of all the things that Evan and
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  Speaker 8: Mike said about his rout running ability, his hands, his versatility.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just thought it made sense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, No, you nailed this one.
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  Speaker 4: I when he was coming out of college, he was
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  Speaker 4: much more profiled as like a bigger downfield receiver that
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  Speaker 4: was going to like win jump balls at the hatch point.
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  Speaker 4: And I think during his time in Green Bay he's
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  Speaker 4: kind of become a much better route runner and a
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  Speaker 4: much more quicker mover than he was coming.
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  Speaker 5: Out of college.
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  Speaker 4: And that was so I was kind of in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: I was kind of going off of what I knew
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  Speaker 4: of the player instead of what he's kind of become.
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  Speaker 4: And once I started to dig into his tape, like
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  Speaker 4: he's definitely more of a technician now than he was
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  Speaker 4: in school. So I think that's a feather in his
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  Speaker 4: cap now. I still have reservations about, you know, to
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  Speaker 4: do the whole wide receiver one thing, But is he
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  Speaker 4: that guy? Probably not. But he had forty one first
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  Speaker 4: downs last year. He had the fifth highest rate of
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  Speaker 4: receptions going for first downs in the league. Last year,
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  Speaker 4: Diggs had fifty one first downs for the Patriots on
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  Speaker 4: higher volume. So like he's from an efficiency standpoint, he's
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  Speaker 4: right there to replace like the chain moving element that
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  Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs brought to the table.
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  Speaker 5: So I like that at a higher volume.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I like a skill set with Drake too. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I just like his hands stood out to me. He's
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  Speaker 2: just big, strong hand catcher of the football. I think
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  Speaker 2: those are the kind of plays. I mean there's a
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  Speaker 2: number where Jordan loves just chucking it down the field
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  Speaker 2: and he can go up and get the ball. So
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a good match for Drake. I'm just wondering.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into this as we start our draft countdown
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  Speaker 2: show this week. How does it affect the need and
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  Speaker 2: do you look at it now and say when we
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  Speaker 2: get into the draft, not let's skip it out of
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  Speaker 2: the draft, but do you look at more of an
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  Speaker 2: outside guy now? Do you try to find a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more size and speed for the outside to compliment him?
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  Speaker 2: Are you still interested in guys like we talked about Concepcione,
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  Speaker 2: who's going to be an inside similar player, right, I
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  Speaker 2: mean him and Omark Cooper probably very similar to what
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  Speaker 2: Dobbs does. Do you still consider those guys or do
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  Speaker 2: you look more towards interesting Brazzle or Boston's a big
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  Speaker 2: outside guy.
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  Speaker 5: We're back in that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is Diggs right, Like he's going to
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  Speaker 4: play a role similar to Stefan Diggs. Diggs played the
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  Speaker 4: majority of his snaps in the slot last year.
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  Speaker 1: They moved him there because they weren't playing him there earlier.
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  Speaker 5: It was it was it was fifty to fifty. It
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  Speaker 5: was very even.
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  Speaker 4: I'll put that out there, but you know, just pure
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  Speaker 4: slot snaps. You know, Dobbs was much more of an
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  Speaker 4: X receiver in Green Bay, but they run a lot
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  Speaker 4: of condensed formation, where like everybody is really in tight
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  Speaker 4: to the middle of the field, so it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: you know, comes out in the wash. I would say,
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  Speaker 4: like to me, that's what he's going to play more
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  Speaker 4: of here. He played a lot more X for the
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  Speaker 4: Packers than I anticipate him playing here. You know, he
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  Speaker 4: was a lot more of an outside guy in isolation,
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  Speaker 4: like that sort of thing. I think here they're going
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  Speaker 4: to move him inside and move him around the formation
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  Speaker 4: a lot more.
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  Speaker 8: One other thing I liked about Dobbs Freddie was He's
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  Speaker 8: played really well in the playoffs, and that was one
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  Speaker 8: thing that was kind of disappointing with Diggs. You know,
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  Speaker 8: we had heard that reputation in Buffalo that he wasn't
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  Speaker 8: great down the stretch and in the playoffs, and then
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  Speaker 8: we saw him his production anyway tailed off the Packers.
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  Speaker 5: The Packers game last year is a clinic.
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  Speaker 4: Like if you really want to get excited about that guy,
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  Speaker 4: about Dobbs, like, go turn on the Packers playoff game
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  Speaker 4: from last year. He had eight for one twenty four
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  Speaker 4: in a touchdown, just slot fades, crossing routes, little you know,
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: routes over the middle of the field to convert third downs.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, he was putting on an absolute show.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Really interesting guy off the field too, and I you know,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: listen some of his interviews, read some of the stories
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: about his background and he's from south central Los Angeles,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: you know, got out of that area, a lot of
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: gang activity growing up. Also interesting story with him at
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: the combine. I guess he gus. He said like as
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: soon as he got off the plane in Indye he
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: had like food poisoning or something.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: So a lot of the interviews he did during the combine.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: He had the chills and was naxious, and I think
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: some of the teams kind of didn't know how to
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: read it. He's a very quiet guy too. I mean,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: he's just he's not that wide receiver personality, fourth thrown
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: very I think, so, yeah, yeah, but quiet, they measured guy,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: not one to kind of hype himself up, you know,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: and sometimes you get the cliches of it's just about
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: the wins and the team, but you know, with him,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: he's just very quiet and reserved, and it comes off
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: as he really seems like that kind of guy who
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't really get high or low.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Seems pretty in the middle.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see he's gonna come out here today
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: and we'll get to hear it.
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: So those are the two big ones, Freddy, but they
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: did make a handful of others.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they get the tight end out of Miami.
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Julian Hill saw Mike Reese report today. Three years,
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: eighteen million. I don't know what the guarantee is, so,
• 16:16
  Speaker 8: but three years that they they view him as the
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: backup tight end.
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: I would think if they've given him that kind.
• 16:24
  Speaker 8: Of a a term, he's got a reputation as a blocker,
• 16:29
  Speaker 8: so at that that fits.
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: He's not much of a receiver.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: You know, he's another guy you get your blocking tight end.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I know that's important to you.
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: I will say, I'm reading a little bit about this yesterday,
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: wildly varying evaluations of his ability as a blocker.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: Some say he's tremendous, some say he's terrible.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Well, his PFF grade was terrible, so you're only going
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: by PFF grades.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Watch the guy play.
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: Maybe that's what it is. Maybe people are seeing that
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: the PFF grade. But I some Miami people. I had
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: a few Miami people reach out to me on Twitter
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: when I posted about him yesterday, and I had a
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: couple of Miami people say, you're really You're really gonna
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: like this guy. He competes, he's good, solid blocker. And
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: others say every time he's out there, there's a penalty.
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: He's a penalty waiting to happen. He can't block anybody.
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: So I don't know.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I did.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: The PF PFF grades are not kind to him in
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: terms of his run blocking, but I I think he
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: can hold down that part of the position. I think
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: you would like to hope that a draft pick is
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: coming that's going to give you some more ceiling.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: And you guys have talked about the tight end class.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: So this guy, you know, Hill, I think you're hoping,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: is really going to be like a situation third tight
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: end and playing on the goal line, playing.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: On third and one, you know that sort of thing.
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: Such a couple of one touchdowns and you get go
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: out of.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Block for a second and then slip out dump off
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: past him.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I mean it's to me these signings, you know, with
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Mike Brown to providing some down.
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: Mike Brown and kJ Britt who special teamer guys.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, and that's this is free agency
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to me. Like, I really like what they've done this year.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I still see, you know, a little bit of a
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: gap at the edge position. Of course we can talk
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: about Chase on as well who left. But I really
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: like the tight end just because I feel like it
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: gives them some flexibility where if you do want to
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: try to take one of these as athletic guys that
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: you know he's not going to be an all around
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: why tight end that's gonna but he's going to be
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: a guy who can move. Maybe that becomes you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and the Aaron Hernandez type, the guy that Josh can
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: play with and move and there's not the pressure to
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: have to find a complimentary blocker for Hunter Henry. You
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: have a guy who's kind of protected. We can pick
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: our spots with him. So it makes me more excited
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: about the tight end class in the draft. I didn't
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: know if they would go for a little bit more
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: expensive kind of guy and really get that tight end
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: two spot. Like Paul said, this feels like t E
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: three to me, with an opportunity to draft somebody that
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: that maybe could contribute the past.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Speaking of Chase On, he had a very nice post
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: yesterday thanking everybody in the organization for his time here.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: So I was I was shocked by that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I just I this is his third year.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Was shot.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I was shocked that he signed it. No that he
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: signed a one year deal or twelve million. I thought
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: this He's had done it back to back years. He
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: spoke a lot about wanting to find a home. I
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: thought he earned himself a lucrative multi year contract with
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: his playoff run, and then to see him sign another
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: one year deal, to me, I mean I felt like
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the Patriots could have done that if they wanted to.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: So to me, it makes it seem like, I don't
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: know if we I think we said it on the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: show where it feels a little bit more like Draymond
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Jones is kind of that replacement.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That's him, that's what they want.
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: And I was a little surprised by I'm with Mike
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: on this one. I thought that, you know, when they
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: when I saw they signed Jones, I figured, well, that
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: means they don't think that they're in the market. But
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: I mean they gave Jones more money, certainly more guaranteed,
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: you know, you know, almost double guaranteed. So I was
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: a little surprised that that, you know, one maybe just
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: people just start believing still. So he's you know because
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: one year, twelve million, that's.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: A good payday.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's just like you figured after signing back
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: to back years for one year, you'd be able to
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: get a multi year deal.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: And last year. Yeah, maybe that's wrong, but I wrote
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: down one.
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: I thought it was one in five too, But I
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: think it might have been like Evan Yes, with the insane.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: I think that you know, there.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: It seems to me like they just decided that we're
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: just not really going to overreact to the fact that
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: we made the Super Bowl because all these moves that
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: they have made, I feel like moves that they probably
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: were going to make, whether they made the Super Bowl
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: or they were had a nice eight and nine season, and.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: You know, kind of made it a little bit.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Of progress because with that, you know, they Anthony Jennings
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: had a great playoff run, they still cut him just
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: the way that he's been kind of writing on the
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: wall for going all the way back to training camp
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: last August, Calevon Chason was here on a one year
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: deal as a holdover, kind of stop gap type of player.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: They didn't over extend and and didn't re sign him.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Uh you know, Garrett Bradberry being kind of a one
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: and done player, with Jared Wilson moving back to his
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: regular position at center, like all these things I think
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: were Jilanie Devai, like Jennings, we knew this was coming.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: We knew this was coming here six months and they
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: did it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: Now, you know, even like a guy like Jack Gibbons,
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: who I don't I don't close the door on him yet,
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: but they you know, according to Mike Greece, they did
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: not offer him an RFA tender, so like you look
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: at the guy like a kJ Britt, is that like
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: Jack Gibbons, you know, a guy who they a linebacker
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: by trade, who's going to play special teams?
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: Can he fill in in a pinch? You know, I
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: don't know, he hasn't played a ton.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was gonna bring on. Sorry Paul,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: but you know when Evan said it, and it's I
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: mean Jack Gibbons, doctor Givey that he's one of those
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: vable guys, and you would maybe assume that they'd be
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: attached to him, I think, I mean, and again, like
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: he could be back. I don't. I don't rule that out,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: but I still think that it's a good example of
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: what Evan's talking about that they didn't, you know, get
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: too enamored with their guys. They filled in a lot
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: of holes last year. But to me, it looks like
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: in season Josh is saying, really wish we had a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: blocking tight end. You know, I really wish I had
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: a real full back right now, you know, like you
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: see some of the holes that they got into the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: season where he's like, I really wish we had X,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Y and Z. Let's get those next.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: I see, I can't argue with that. They absolutely fill
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: very specific holes. They're just not necessarily the ones I
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: was expecting, right, you know, I think Josh's special, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: I think in a large part when you look at
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, we can get into semantics and I'm sure
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: Fred's going to, but I think they're basically a very
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: similar team.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: I think they had some holes that they had last
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: year that they don't have now, and they still have
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: some holes that they had last year that they really
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: haven't filled. You know, on paper, the offensive line is better,
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: the wide receiver corps is in my view, roughly the same,
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: and I felt like they needed to be better going in. So,
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: you know, I think this a lot of similarities, you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: in terms of what they are right now. And we'll
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: see if there's a you know, a bigger move that's
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: still to be minute.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: And I mean just to throw it out, I mean,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: we've talked consistently about in AJ call Antonio Brown a
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: J Brown's contract, that it's prohibitive and that it's very
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: possible as we were kind of like thrown out that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: they might know we're gonna move make a move for him, and.
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: You know, you wired a receiver who's demonstratively better than
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: Romeo Dobbs. I think that that makes your wide receiver
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: room look entirely different, you know, And I don't rule
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: that out. That's very much on the table.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's some of these positions that
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: we're talking about, the you know, edge linebacker, or they
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: didn't bring back some of their guys. I think a
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: big part of that to me is like they're planning
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: on drafting guys at those spots.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so edge for sure.
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: So if you your point of they treated it like
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: they were at eight to nine on the rise.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Right, So like if they brought back Chase On and
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: they brought back Anthony Jennings, and they brought back to
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Vay and they brought back doctor Gibby, they bring back
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: all these guys, like the rookies are all blocked now
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: by players that have been in the system, that are
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: veteran players in the league. So I think a lot
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: of these positions, you know, I throw tight end in
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: their safety, you know, with Buyer just being on the
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: one year deal, like they're kind of opening opportunity so
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: that when the draft class comes in, you know that
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: whoever they draft at edge is probably going to be
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: with one of their first two picks, like that guy
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: is going to have a runway now to really take
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: a role and earn it, you know. And same thing
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: at linebacker, like if you bring back to Vay and
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Gibbons and all these linebackers, like if you draft a
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: linebacker pretty early, you know, now you're you're getting crowded
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: in that room. And I think that a lot of
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: these different spots they're trying to pave the way. You know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: safety will sign buyer to a one year deal. They'll
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: probably draft somebody in the third or fourth round again
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: like they did with Craig Woodson. Maybe that guy plays
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: as a third safety as a rookie to get him
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: on the field, and then you know, in twenty twenty seven,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: he's your starting safety with Craig woods and that's the yeah, obviously,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: you know. So I think that's true at a lot
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: of these different spots, is they're kind of trying to
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: keep spots open for these rookies to earn roles so
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: that they're not all just kind of sitting way.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: So I would say at this point in March, Patriots
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: are better than they were last year. I would not
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: say that, but I would not.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I think they've had a really solid free agency. I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: mean I think that the trajectory for me is always.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Because I'm also factoring in Drake's improvement.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they still have needs. There's no question.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: If here then they won't be But I don't think
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: he will.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: Why don't I'm going to quarterbacks worse?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Will they be worse?
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: I'm going to do it like everybody else does.
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: I'm going to assess, like all the players that they
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: already had as being constance, like if they all get
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: better from last year.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Of course that I didn't say, Oh, I said, Drake will.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Okay better than the MVP runner un Yeah, I mean I.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: Guess you could win.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Oh, you don't think there's room for improvement? Yes, right,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of course. Of course, of course you don't think he will.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: I think I think he had a tremendous season, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: I don't think he's going to be much better next year.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: I think he might get a similar season.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, hold that take everyone.
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think he can be the runner up
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: in the MVP again.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I same, I don't think it has Like my saying
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: that they're a little bit worse right now. Is something
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: to do with Drake. I just think wide receiver. I'm
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: not ready to say that Romeo Dobbs is as good
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: as Stefan Diggs.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I'm just he's just never done it yet.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: Say it's a projection, absolutely.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: You know with you, but Diggs just had a thousand
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: yard season coming off of torn acl it. Dobbs has
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: never been over seven and fifty yards in his career.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: So before we start to put him in four time
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Pro Bowl or Stefan Diggs's you know level, let's let
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: him prove it first. And the edge rusher position is
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: still a big concern in my opinion. I just they
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: don't have enough there. I like Draymond Jones. I think
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: he's a fine player, but you don't know what you're
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: getting out of Harold Landry at this stage. Elijah Ponder
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: in a in Swinson. Ponder had some moments, had some flashes.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: But it really didn't get a lot out of Landry
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: last year either.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Well, he played the whole season until the end.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying, barely Yeah, I guess,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: but I I don't even know if Landry's going to
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: be available, like he was out there last year. Like
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: his his decline obviously you know, is right with the
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: knee injury, but like he played snaps for you last
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: year in the first six weeks of the season, he
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: was really good, you know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: So I just I don't know. I think that they
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: have a long way to go at that spot.
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: I'm just going off of like the offseason, like guys
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: they brought in as opposed to the guys that are
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: going out, I think is about a wash. I think
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: it's very similar like Chase on in Jones to me,
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: is like the poster of that. Like I think you
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: had a guy who had a very specific skill set
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: and you signed a guy with a very specific skill
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: set to kind of replace.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: What about the outlook for the offensive line.
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: I think I think that they should be better if
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: he plays. If he continues to play forty three, if
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: a possible eighty five games, then he can.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: If the sun comes up, we'll have another day tomorrow. Okay.
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: I think the offensive line is better.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I just think that they have a lot of this.
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: But if he doesn't play, it ain't bad, of course,
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: not where we're having He generally doesn't play so I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: going off of history program.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: It's just a lot of the same things that we're
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: still talking about. They're still talking about them needing high
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: end talent and wide receiver. We're still talking about them
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: needing a high end pass rusher. Like these things could
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: be addressed, but until they are, I think that it's
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: if they're better, it's marginal. I mean, I just I
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: look at those two spots as those are the impact players,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: and what.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Should be the expectations should you expect at the end
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: of free agency every year that you feel like the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: team is absolutely improved significantly from I think I think
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: that's the hope.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I don't know if you know. It
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't always.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: It definitely doesn't always happen that way, but hope.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree completely about the edge. You guys know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I've been hitting that since like last year when I
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: said that this was going to be need. But I
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: think generally this is how you have to operate when
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: you're a team in free agency and you fill your
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: holes and then there's some solid guys and there's some
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: swings on some injury guys, but ultimately it's gonna come
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: down to the draft and drafting well and getting another
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you know, round of three four players that hopefully come
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: in and those are the guys that you're going to
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: build around. So I other than the edge position right now,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I feel I feel really good about what they've done.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know what more you could ask
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: other than force Alec Pearce to go hit free agency
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: so you can try to get them, you know, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: maybe they're still going for Brown too. So, but where
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: we sit right now, four days into free agency and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: one day into real the new league gear, I feel
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: pretty good about where they've.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: Gotten better in spots.
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: I think Buyer it's better than Hawkins, and I think
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: Vera Tucker's better than Bradbury.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: I think those are spots that they've improved on.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: But you do have to count on these guys to improve,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Like you do have to say, sure, you guys have
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: to get better next year. I mean, you can't.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be good enough.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Next year with how the rookie's played, especially a guy
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: like Craig Woodson.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I love having buyered in and that experience.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Now he gets, you know, for starter veteran safety that
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: knows everything about the system, he's gonna make you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: he needs to be better. They got to fill some
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: depth in some spots for sure. But Will Campbell, Jared Wilson,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Drake May, Williams, I'm optimistic, you know, I'm optimistic.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I just like I expect those guys to be good
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: like they played well last year. I don't expect there
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: to be like a major drop off where now it's like,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: oh man, you know, Kreik Woodson's not an NFL player, Like, No,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Kraig Woodson is a good player. You know, we saw
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: it with our own eyes. You know, Drake May is
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: going to be a very good quarterback for a very
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: long time. Yeah, like that, whether he there's rooms for
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: him to improve Diffred's point or not. Like he's going
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: to be elite for a very long time. They they
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: need to supplement all that with a little bit more so,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: So we'll talk about it with you. Are the Patriots
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: on paper going to be better than they were last year?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know record wise if that means, but I
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: mean as a better team.
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: And I would just say, this is why I brought
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: up the whole semantic thing, because I think if I
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: would expect the team to be better because of all
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: the guys that were here that generally you expect to
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: make a year two jump. I'm asking about free agency,
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: Like that's not the same thing. Like I just you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: like did they did they acquire more than they lost?
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: They'd say it's about a watch.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Did they make their team better to freeze? That's not
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: a good question.
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: Those are two different talk about like do I expect
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: Craig Woodson and trevy On Henderson and most certainly Will
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: Campbell and Jared Wilson, who I don't think played all
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: that great? Do I expect them to be better in
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: year two?
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: That's I mean, that's why you're here, like to improve
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: from your rookie year to your guys the limit that
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: should make you better.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: That's just the question of where we seeing ceilings or floors,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: you know, and that and where in between are we
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And you know, how high is Craig Woodson's ceiling, how
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: high is Will Campbell's ceiling really at left tackle or
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: wherever he.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: May end up?
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: And what's Jared Wilson look like at center? Is that
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: you know the easy slide in for Garrett Bradbury and
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you know there's no drop off or is there a
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: learning curve with him at center next year to a
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Andrew in Westchester, New York says, just saw the trailer
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: for the new episode of Forge of Foxboro. I have
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: to say it has me pumped up for the new season.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: The production quality of the series continues to be outstanding.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Kudos to the content team for putting up such great work. PS.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: What are the chances that we will get an inside
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: look at the new facility at some point in the
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: off season. Be cool to get a look at that.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I can guarantee you that at some point we'll have
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: some sort of tour and look inside the facility. I
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: can tell you one thing. I was in yesterday, just
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: happy to be in there. And if I'm a player,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I'm excited. You know, there's some cool I mean, the
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: locker room itself is huge. It's huge, so big that
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: you don't even have to add anything for preseason for
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the extra players. Really yeah, oh yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: That's good because they they had to put those things
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: in lockers in the middle. That like back to high school,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: where you have like these modular lockers in the middle
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: of the locker room.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: And now you know, we'll have we'll have sneak peaks,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if there's sneak peaks, but
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: we'll have looks at the new facility and it's really
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: it's really, really good.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: We have a lot of moving trucks around taking football
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: down there.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're moving out. Players are back in the building
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: April twentieth, and that's the building they'll be in. They're
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: not coming back to the stadium, they're coming back to
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the new building. So very excited about that, and excited
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: about Forge and Foxborough will be coming out soon, so
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: stay tuned for that. All right, Let's get to the phones.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Eight five to five Pats five hundred. A lot to
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: digest here, all the Patriots free agent signings. It's not
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: over yet. We'll see what else they have in store,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: but most of these guys are in the building right
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: now and getting a look at the stadium and meeting people.
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: I believe seven of those eight will be available. kJ
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: Britt I think is the only one part of that group.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, seven of them are just officially renounced at this
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: sign the contracts Dobbs, Jones, Vera, Tucker Bayern, Gilliam Hill Brown.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah sounds good. All right, let's start with HERM and
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: DC what's up herm fellas?
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: Uh, two good questions offer the question.
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: And a draft question.
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: So is there a world where the Patriots basically nix
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: the plans about Adrian Brown and pretty much goes to
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: KH and Booty is like, listen, we're just gonna w
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: targets and it's gonna be a thousand thousand yard receiver
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: right there right again, going back to Coach Rail's point
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: getting youngest, seper, fastest.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: Yes, obviously Brown's better in case of body. But if
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: you just in theorior double his target, that's your thousand
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: yd receiver right there, right. And then the second question
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: was about tied into the draft. I'm a big sim
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: Rouse guy, but I was wondering what your thought are
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: on this guy from Notre Dame Elian. I think.
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: I think he has the lowest drop right in the country.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: Question take thank you?
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: He tore his ACL twice.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Always got back around, always got one Notre damn tight
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: end to talk about. It's like they're like a factory there.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Roush is a really intriguing prospect. He's really raw, you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: especially as a route runner. Uh, just doesn't you know
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: at the top of the route, drifts a little bit,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: you know, drifts into contact things that he's going to
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: have to really improve on.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: But he's huge and he can run. I mean, he's
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: a great athlete.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: He's like two hundred and sixty five pounds and he
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: tested through the roof at the combine at that size.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Uh So I actually think that, you know, he could
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: probably lose a couple of pounds and get into a
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: little bit better playing weight to be a little bit
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: more dynamic than he even already is. So you see
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: this movement like it just him running across the field
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and things like that. He can really build up speed,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: but he's pretty raw. The Notre Dame tight end, I
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: don't think he had a ton of receiving production, if
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken. You know, another one of these classic
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Notre Dame tight ends though, where they just print them
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: out where they they look at the exact part, you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Michael Mayer cole kmet like it's like, oh, another you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: big Notre Dame tight end. Shocking, But I think, you know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: like Deuce was saying, he's had some some bumps in
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: the road.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: There, Speed writes in Fresno. He says, Fred you're bonkers.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I just can't believe you're so definitive that Drake will
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: be better next season. As far as the options whether
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: he'll be better, worse, or the same, I think worse
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: is most likely followed by same than best. With the
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: hardest schedule and coming off of decline and loss of
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: confidence injury at the end of the season. It's t
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: bow time. I'm exaggerating, but regression to the mean is
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: a thing. While I'm overall optimistic about Drake, I'm probably
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: more pessimistic than most as to whether his game will
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: be reliably winning in the big moments, given its relyants
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: on extremely fun but high difficulty, low probability shots downfield.
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't necessarily think the highest probability is
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: that he's going to regress. I just think he played
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: an exceptionally high level, so I'm not going to pencil
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: in then he's going to be.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: Better than that.
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: That's like I think it's probably another semantic thing that
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: I'm guilty of this time, is I think you'll play
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: well next year.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: I expect him to play well. I think he's a
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: franchise quarterback.
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: I think he's one of the I don't know whatever
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: you want to call it, top five, you know, maybe
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: top seven if you want to, you know, give some
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: other guys some leeway. But I just think he played
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: at such a high level last year it's going to
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: be hard to to exceed that. So I'm not expecting
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: him to.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: I feel like this is a very semantical artist.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: I'm guilty.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Drake May is elite. He is going to be elite.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: What level of elite?
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Is he the best quarterback in the league or is
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: he the seventh best quarterback in the league? Like, I
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: guess we'll find out next year once he starts playing,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: But he's going to be.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: A lead, like I don't I don't think so.
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: I don't expect him to have a bad yea.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: So where I think obviously he needs to improve is
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: how does he handle the better defenses?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's where and that's where we're
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: going to get the semantics argument of yeah, his statistically
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: having a worse year, but he's playing better defenses. You know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: they're playing he's you know, he might even be playing better,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: but his stats are worse and their teams record is
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: worth you know, Like those are the strings you're going
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: to have to pull out, you know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: So we're going to judge it by how he's playing,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you know, based on the situation.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: He's got to go have that kind of ability and
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden fall off a cliff. It just
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't really happen very often. That Like, he puts together
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: a season like he did last year, and now we're
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: just supposed to think that he could possibly regress back
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: to like North Carolina Drake where he's just like, yeah,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: you know, very inconsistent and only flashing and things like.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I just have a tough time imagining
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: that the it's the ground is going to fall out
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: from underneath him.
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: No, what I mean, I don't envision that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would say the coaching staff is hoping
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: that he takes a leap in the second year in
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the offense. You know that now the complex system that's
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: so much on him that now he has a lot
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: of experience in those games. He has experienced in the playoffs.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: But it's going to be great to see him going
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to Seattle and see how he deals with all that again.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, that's gonna be.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: A really big challenge for him.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean I think he rematch though.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: I think he graduated last year.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: He's got his bachelor's degree in the Josh McDaniels offense,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: and now can he go and get a graduate degree
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: in it? Is what they're hoping is that he's you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: we kind of got the baseline foundation laid last year.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of these things that we're talking about,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: it's all the same stuff. Like last year was only
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: supposed to be the first year. They just happened to
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: win fourteen games and go to the super Bowl. And
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: now I think that they're starting from a much higher
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: point where they're hoping that he's already kind of got
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: the basics of what we're trying to do down and
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: now we can kind of push him to get to
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: that next level.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Anthony says, why are we convinced Dobbs is as
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: good as he'll be? He was in a position in
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Green Bay that I feel he may not have been
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: given as much volume as we can provide here. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: think he's an ascending player, not yet at a ceiling.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: That's not to say I think he'll be a top
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: wide receiver. But why are we so convinced he can't improve?
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: We're not.
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: I just said, it's exactly the opposite. If you listen
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: to the first fifteen minutes of the show.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, no, I mean this.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I mean it seems like this offense gonna be tailored
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: to him. They're gonna move them around. I mean, they're
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: gonna find ways to get him the ball. Aside from
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: his skill set, though.
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: The only thing I would say is, I think he's
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: going to an offense that's very similar. It's not run
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: the same way, but the mentality is very similar to
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: what he was in. Josh doesn't believe in just one guy.
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: He doesn't like not that he doesn't believe, he doesn't
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: like it, he doesn't like to do it that way.
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: He and Dobbs has been in an offense that they
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: sort of spread it around. Do you think that that's
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: from I think that's what he's going to be in here.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's from, you know, his time. Josh's
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't like, you know, just having one guy. His time
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: with Belichick, where Belichick would go into a game and
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: if a team had that one guy, whether it's on
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: offense or defense, he always came up with good plans
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: to take that guy out.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just think you always want talent,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: and you know it's he doesn't want a great right,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I think he does. It's just you know, he was
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: able to make it go.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: He want balance.
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: It's like, yeah, you know, when they had Welker and Moss,
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: those guys clearly had it, but they didn't have anybody else,
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: you know, until Gronk came and then they sort of
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: you know, adapted. But I do think that there's probably
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: some truth to that. Fred is that Bill always felt
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: like if you only have one thing, you know, but
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: no one suggesting that they only have one thing they like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: like Diggs last year wasn't the only thing.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: He just was the main target. I just.
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: In year five, like, are you going to see like
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: a you know, a totally different player.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to expect that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: I'm going to, you know, maybe expect him to get
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: more opportunities here. But the other part of his numbers
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: in Green Bay, he always miss his games. He's a
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: guy that misses a game or two here or there.
• 42:06
  Speaker 11: All.
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: I think he's missed nine games in four years. So
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: if he continues to miss games, his numbers will continue
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: to be okay. If he plays all seventeen and he
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: clicks in the offense, I expect his numbers to rise
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: because I think he has the skill set that Evan
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: and Mike talked about right off the top, and I'm
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: sorry that they email and missed this, but you guys
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: went to great lengths to say how the versatility of
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: his route running, his strong hands, his good size, he's
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: on paper projects to be a really good fit in
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: this offense.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: I think you just always want to have balance, and
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: we all, like we talk about balances a lot with
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: run pass balance, but like it's also just where are
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: you attacking on the field, And if you're attacking the
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: same area over and over again at the field, defenses
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: are too smart, they're too good. They're going to figure out,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you know, he can only he really wants to throw
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: the ball in the middle of the field, So we're
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: going to flood the middle of the field.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: We're going to force the ball to go elsewhere.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: The best offenses have balance, they have the ability to
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: throw it anywhere on you at any time. And I
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: think that that's what Josh McDaniels tries to strive forwards.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: It's not necessarily about volume per one guy, It's that
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: we don't want to be a one trick pony. We
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: don't want to be a team that can only throw
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: over the middte.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: To keep the d on its heels. Yep, we need
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: to dictate, not them. Rick and Riverside, Rhode Island. His
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: email kinds of sparked a question for me that I'll
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: get to, but he says, do the new additions have
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: the traits off the field Rabel looks for when building
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: team culture? The twenty five team was a family. Do
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: any of the new players have anything about them that
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: could disrupt the locker room? And so the question I
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: would add to that is who are the existing players
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: in the team they're going to carry that culture forward
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: this year?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Morgan, Moses, Moses, Plaine Bayer.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It will probably be as a player, you know, but
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: it's also up to Drake, I think, to step up
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and to be more demanding on offense, to you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: hold those guys to a standard.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know enough.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I only Pop's the only when I really
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: kind of got into just some of his interuriwers just
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: to see kind of what his personality is like. And
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: he seems more quiet, Like I said, earlier, so I know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: nothing red flag to me. It also seems like everybody
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: loves Reggie Gilliam, Like the Buffalo guys are just like
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: everybody talking about him completely.
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: And I don't know anything bad off field about any
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: of these eight guys that they signed. I would just
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: say that I would caution against the the familylike atmosphere
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: they had last year. That's twenty twenty five. Don't automatically
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: assume that that carries over into twenty six because every
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: team has has to create an identity and come together and.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: All that so winning like crazy.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's building on it, right, But I think that not.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: To dismiss the email or the question, but as long
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: as Mike Rabel is here, I have no worries about
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: the culture of this team. Now, maybe it's not going
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: to feel or look exactly the same as the twenty
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: five team, but the guys setting the culture is the
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: head coach, and I like whether it's you know, Digs, Yeah,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: it was. It was a big part of it. He
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: was a big part of it, for sure.
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: But I don't know.
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: I don't necessarily worry about Diggs leaving and then that
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: falling apart. I just think your first point is the
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: one that about the Winningstely. Yeah, but Rabel had problems
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: with culture when it wasn't going so well. And Rabel's
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: the same guy like when it when it went bad
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: in Tennessee, the culture went bad with it because it's
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: hard to have great culture.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: When you're not winning.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I think Rabel's also a better coach now than he was.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: That they were all making some weird, weird decisions upstairs
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: when things were gone.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I just that's why I said, I think, yes, we
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: will see. That's what I think. We're here to give opinions.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, I thought he was a great coach in Tennessee.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I did you don't think coaches get better they learn?
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, I guess I don't know.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: But don't you think some of the things that happened
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: with me?
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: I asked him and he said no, But I mean
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: that's might be him being modest.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Don't you think some of the things that happened to
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: him in Tennessee though we were personal control?
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were. They were, you know, trading A J.
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: Browne.
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: That's my favorite. It was head coach didn't know about it?
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: And say didn't know about it?
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: I just says, I just said that maybe he wasn't
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: in favor of it, who knows, certainly didn't look like
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: it maybe okay, but or like them him wanting to
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: promote Ryan Cowden to the general manner position and the
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: owner deciding to hire somebody from the outside that he
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: had no relationship with.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: Like that, one I would say was tough.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: You know, like there's just a lot of things that
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: I think contributed to it, that were of.
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: Those things happened here.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I don't like.
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: That's all I'm saying is I think your first point
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: is the only one that really matters.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, if if if you went here, because
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: the we're able to is you know, that's some.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Guys we've become, at.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Least for former Tennessee Titans.
• 46:50
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Just you know, one more thing I just want to
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: highlight because I came across this. Tydn wrote a whole
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: story about Julian Hill. Really interesting background just from him
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: that he lived in severe poverty and homelessness in North Carolina,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: justin just Tye Dunn wrote it for the go along
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Tyler du Sorry, he's a football writer. He's a football writer,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: but uh.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Really interesting you were before you were.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Really really interesting story though you like that, you like
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: that you got me back. So he's got a passion
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: for for foster care and those kind of things. So
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: just you know, off the field, interesting story there. I'm sorry,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Verble Coach of the Year toture. We'll go to break
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: with this femail, Perilla. Don't get me.
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: That's all good now because I didn't say that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: I said Evans first point to me is the one
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: that's most important.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: And you've heard, you know, and I agree.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: With it's great.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: It's great when everything, everybody is great.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: When you're winning everything you're winning, and it's hard to
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: keep it together. Is this is another point I wanted
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: to bring up, guys, is uh, I get back to
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the Tom and Bill thing and you know gives Brady
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the credit, you know, I just I think it's gonna
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: be really interesting what happens now with Lamar Jackson and
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen as two quarterbacks that look not on the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: level of Tom Brady. But let's see how it looks
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: with new head coaches. You know, you know, we can
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: say Tom Brady was great and it didn't matter, but
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: are these guys going to be affected by a regime
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: change now? This is you know, multiple MVP winners. Yeh,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: how does it go with these guys? That's curious the
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: path of the Super Bowl. We'll just do this email,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: then we'll go to break. Let this one marinate. I
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: said there was a comment early this is Jack where
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: is he from? Doesn't say no, There was.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: A comment made earlier in the show that you all
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: don't know if we are better team than we were
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: last March. Well that wasn't exactly what we said, but anyway,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: that's insane. Drake is finally getting continuity at play caller
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: for the first time in his career. The offensive line
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: and specifically the run game should be much improved with
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: a rearranging and edition of an all Pro caliber fullback.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that. The aj Brown trade will
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: post June first, and Dobbs is as efficient and younger
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: than Diggs. The secondary is now top five with the
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: addition to Bayern. Edge still needs work, but I trust
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: in the development ability of these coaches. Absolutely. No one
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: was thrilled at the Chase on signing last year, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: now look how fans view him. Not saying we're going
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: back to the Super Bowl, but geez to say the
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: team isn't approved from this time last year is insane.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Well, if everything works out exactly like the email are
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: laid out, and we trade for A J.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: Brown, then yes, I agree.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I wasn't saying that, So I'm gonna the largest piece
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: of that analysis was something that hasn't happened yet.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: AJ Brown.
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: That's the number one by far blows anything else away
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: that they've done so far.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: See, I think it's easy to say we're better than
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: last March because now we know Drake had that seat March.
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: No one's compared its last he is February.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's why I think you can
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: question what I said even more than if I said, oh,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: we're better than we were last March. We're obviously better.
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: If that email was comparing this March to last March,
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: then that's a.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Different right, that's what he's why are not good? I
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: thought it was all right if they.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Trade for AJ Brown, we all agree they're a better team.
• 50:13
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• 50:16
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're excited now to be joined by Mike
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: g Reese of course, man who needs no introduction.
• 52:06
  Speaker 15: Mike, great to see you, Evan, let's talk.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Well I got to start, Mike, because I feel like
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: we talked to you with the Super Bowl couple. I mean,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: it feels like it was yesterday.
• 52:15
  Speaker 15: I love that talk.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: And you had a line in that preview that stuck
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: with me. It hit me like a treight train when
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: you said it. And you just looked at the defensive
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: line of Seattle and you said, these are a bunch
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: of veteran players. And that was so simplified it to me,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And that is kind of exactly how the game unfolded,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: oh Man.
• 52:33
  Speaker 16: And credit to Nick Cassario is because when I was
• 52:37
  Speaker 16: previewing the game with him for a story on ESPN
• 52:40
  Speaker 16: dot com, he sort of, I said, break down the Seahawks,
• 52:44
  Speaker 16: and we know from twenty four years a Bill he
• 52:47
  Speaker 16: would come, Bill Belichick would come to the podium and
• 52:49
  Speaker 16: he'd give us the other team without any notes, right,
• 52:53
  Speaker 16: And Nick did that and he started with the Seahawks
• 52:57
  Speaker 16: defensive front. And so I have to give him the
• 53:00
  Speaker 16: credit because honestly, it's not me studying it like seventeen
• 53:06
  Speaker 16: regular season games, three playoff games and coming up with
• 53:09
  Speaker 16: this brilliant plan of what's gonna unfold.
• 53:12
  Speaker 15: It was more talking to the experience that I trust.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: But you were condo it, and I think it's just
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: it simplified it, and unfortunately.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: It's exactly how it played it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: And I think back to the Patriots defenses, you know
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: in three and o four, when they were a veteran group,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: when it was like, you're going in this game with
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Mike Rabel, you know, Teddy Bruski Willing. You just knew
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: that those guys were gonna come to play in the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: biggest games.
• 53:32
  Speaker 16: And I want to share a story from the year
• 53:36
  Speaker 16: with Morgan Moses, which is what we're talking about. Morgan
• 53:40
  Speaker 16: Moses is thirty four to thirty five years old, a
• 53:43
  Speaker 16: veteran in the league, and he was talking to me
• 53:45
  Speaker 16: about how much he likes Will Campbell and Jared Wilson
• 53:50
  Speaker 16: and then sharing this story with me. He said, like
• 53:53
  Speaker 16: their kids like and and he then described himself and
• 53:57
  Speaker 16: said it wasn't until I was twenty four or twenty
• 54:00
  Speaker 16: five that just physically I could catch up to what
• 54:05
  Speaker 16: I was facing in the NFL.
• 54:08
  Speaker 15: And we talked about Trent.
• 54:10
  Speaker 16: Williams still doing it at thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty
• 54:13
  Speaker 16: nine years old. Morgan wants to come back, by the way,
• 54:16
  Speaker 16: Like that's part of the whole conversation we were having.
• 54:18
  Speaker 15: But I remembered him telling me that.
• 54:21
  Speaker 16: Thinking about the Super Bowl and like, wow, they are
• 54:24
  Speaker 16: going to be relying on these kids that need another
• 54:26
  Speaker 16: offseason they get stronger and build up there. Yeah, what
• 54:31
  Speaker 16: they have, you know, to go up against these guys
• 54:33
  Speaker 16: that have been in the league for three, four or
• 54:35
  Speaker 16: five years.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: I saw you reported yesterday that no surgery expected for
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Will Campbell, and that's good news. But I thought that
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: was something that stood out from Elliot Wolf yesterday, it
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: was him saying I didn't see the same lower body
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: strength in the playoffs from him and then from the
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: regular season. What's just your sense though, just in terms
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: of their approach this offseason, and I think a lot
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: of us are asking the same questions of are you
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: now in more of an expedited situation because you did
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: make the Super Bowl? Or do you think they're still
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: in that long term approach?
• 55:08
  Speaker 16: So you highlighted to me, Evan the most interesting thing
• 55:11
  Speaker 16: I heard yesterday, which was that view of Will Campbell,
• 55:14
  Speaker 16: like we thought he played well before the injury, then
• 55:17
  Speaker 16: we didn't see the same ability to anchor, which I
• 55:22
  Speaker 16: think people listening might ask the question, well, then why
• 55:25
  Speaker 16: did you play him? Yea, you know, And then I
• 55:27
  Speaker 16: think the answer to that and I'm going to deduce
• 55:29
  Speaker 16: this they haven't said this. They still felt like Will
• 55:32
  Speaker 16: at that level was better than the next option, which
• 55:37
  Speaker 16: was Vederian Lowe. And I think I would have played this.
• 55:40
  Speaker 16: I would have done it if you're asking me the
• 55:41
  Speaker 16: same way. But that's a fair question, right In terms
• 55:45
  Speaker 16: of the approach, I believe it comes down to the money.
• 55:49
  Speaker 16: I always believe it comes down to the money. I
• 55:51
  Speaker 16: think Christian Gonzales being eligible for an extension is everything.
• 55:55
  Speaker 15: That's where it should start.
• 55:56
  Speaker 16: I think Drake being eligible next year at this time
• 55:59
  Speaker 16: has got to be in your long range view. So
• 56:03
  Speaker 16: I don't expect them to come out and spend like
• 56:07
  Speaker 16: a big, big deal unless it's just a perfect scenario.
• 56:12
  Speaker 15: For example, the Raiders say, you.
• 56:14
  Speaker 16: Know what this, Max Crosby, you can have them for
• 56:18
  Speaker 16: minimal compensation and and then you're you can assume that contract,
• 56:22
  Speaker 16: you know what I mean.
• 56:23
  Speaker 15: So I don't know if I answered it.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you did, But I I just in terms
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: of just how you feel about it too, Like, do
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: you think that they should take that approach? Because I
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: think that a lot of fans hear that and are
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: going to be a little bit disappointed that they're not
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: going to just now go for it right, you're one
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: went away from the super Bowl last year. But I
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: actually kind of see it and say, I actually think
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: that that's probably the smart thing to do, because you
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: really kind of have to treat it like you almost
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: had like a nice season, like you know, like a
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: nine win ten win season. But the way that it
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: broke for them, it probably was the reason why they
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: got as far as they did, Yes, and I think
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: you have to be kind of realistic about that. At
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: the same time, would you agree with.
• 57:03
  Speaker 15: That one hundred person? It's being honest with.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Are you?
• 57:08
  Speaker 16: Are you a super Bowl team right like they were
• 57:11
  Speaker 16: this year based on AFC being down a little bit.
• 57:15
  Speaker 16: Give them credit to they learn how to win games,
• 57:18
  Speaker 16: Like I don't think that should be dismissed. I don't
• 57:20
  Speaker 16: love when people say, oh, you know, fools gold for
• 57:23
  Speaker 16: lack of a better term, like that's that's bs to me, Like,
• 57:26
  Speaker 16: that's not fools gold.
• 57:27
  Speaker 15: It's hard to win. It's hard to go nine to
• 57:29
  Speaker 15: zero on the road, do you know?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 57:32
  Speaker 16: But at the same time, like I don't, it's gonna
• 57:35
  Speaker 16: be a lot harder in twenty twenty six.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: That's that's what I was gonna say, Mike. It's just
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: it seems there's a lot of hard decisions this year
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: because it would be somewhat easy to run it back.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, Chase On's a free agent, Austin Hooper, Jalen Hawkins,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: a few starters and guys that you could make an
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: argument to bring all those guys back, that they fit well,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: that they played you know better as the season went on,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: but all the offensive linemen are coming back. So it's
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: just it's there's no like, well, there's a hole here,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: and we like, you're gonna have to probably move some
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: pieces around and you're not going to bring back the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: same team next year. It's gonna be a different team.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I think everybody has to has to realize.
• 58:10
  Speaker 16: That it'll it'll be a different team. I feel like
• 58:14
  Speaker 16: to build off what we're talking about, another solid draft
• 58:17
  Speaker 16: is mandatory, and I guess, to me, that's going for it.
• 58:22
  Speaker 15: It's like having another solid draft.
• 58:24
  Speaker 16: And I know that's not sexy, but if as we're
• 58:28
  Speaker 16: sitting here, I want to use an example from twenty
• 58:30
  Speaker 16: one to twenty two years ago, Like go find the
• 58:34
  Speaker 16: first round pick that you made in two thousand and
• 58:36
  Speaker 16: five at pick thirty two, Go.
• 58:40
  Speaker 15: Find that player this year.
• 58:42
  Speaker 16: Logan Mankins is who I'm talking about. I think everyone
• 58:45
  Speaker 16: watching knows that you're at thirty one. That's going for it.
• 58:49
  Speaker 15: To me, like, I know that's not traditional going for it,
• 58:53
  Speaker 15: but I want a nasty, athletic, mean big player up front.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, helps Will Campbell, you add a little bit of
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: size maybe next to him. I think it's something that
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: we've talked about too easy way. Maybe that's a simple fix.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: And wh where does Jared Wilson end up? Who is it?
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Evans?
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: I know on the spot, So pregnant from Oregon really
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: does fit that bill. You know, he's a left guard
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: at Oregon, pure guard prospect, not one of these tackles
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: that's going to convert inside.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: He's a wider body.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: He's a heavy handed guy.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Not quite as big as as big Mic, not not
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: that sort of size, but similar kind of player. The
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: other guy that stands out to me in that particular
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: mold who is going to convert from tackle to guard
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: is Jennings Dunker from Iowa, who is, like, to me,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: a mike Ra looks like a mullet. It's a that's
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: probably a little high. Yeah, but he he's one of
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: those guys that, you know, there's a really good track
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: record of moving college tackles to guard. Logan Mankins was
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: one of them, Joe Toney was one of those guys. Ye,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: and those guys have a lot of success in the league.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: And Dunkard just the way he looks, the way he play, demeanor,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: the style, Uh that the run blocking ability, all those
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: things to me, do really scream Mike Rabel like that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: kind of guy.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 16: And I just want to use the Seahawks as an example,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 16: Like they're the super Bowl champion and we're talking about
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 16: this idea of going for it, like last year they
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 16: were Gray's Able in the first round, right, I mean,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 16: is that not going for it?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, do you know what I mean?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 15: Like so I just sort of for me, I like
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 15: to reframe.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Another guy that played tackle in college, by the way,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: craze able and moved inside.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: And now great moments in.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: History, only been on a team like Brandon Cooks. Yeah,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: changes teams every year. I'm just might not have that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: knowledge of a system. I was given Eric the props,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 8: that's right. I don't understand what his age has to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 8: do with anything.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: I think his age has to do with a lot
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: of it's and you're talking trade. I think another team
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: is taking into consideration the guy's age, right, Why because
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: he's old?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: Because he doesn't know my system, that's what you said.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: This is the only thing that I disagree he said
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: is that he's more valuable to the Patriots, Because that's right,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: and that's nothing to do with age.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: But at his age, he has less to contribute to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: another team than a Patriots.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: I agree.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: That's why I don't think powers because he's old.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: About two minutes later, who's even more valuable to him?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Another team with the Patriots?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: The Patriots?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Why? Because he is on the Patrick get it? You
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: can't even answer, you know, forget it.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: It's it's over.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: It's okay, so ding ding ding, it's over. Let's move on.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: About five minutes later.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: Thank that's ridiculously, this is what happened. You can't have it.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: You can't have any because you can't.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: You're not allowed to disagree with Thank.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: You, You're not allowed.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: Don't disagree.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Thanks for giving me credit for that.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: Don't disagree. I'm sorry. I'm did I hurt your feelings
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: by disagreeing with you?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: I'm shot. I don't think I sound like the one
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: who's upset you No, oh no, you very much sound
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: like the one who's upset.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Well we just like that ended at something. I don't
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: mean it's like I have to. It's like I have
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: to put down a vampire exactly like and keeps coming
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: back to get decided is hard.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: You've decided that it's silly.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: That's another great moment from all right backhand and Patriots
• 1:02:41
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• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Evan has left to go.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Look at why he's lurking over? I just saw a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: picture he's up there lurking over.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: He goes, from what's on high I'm I'm Evan. I'm Evan.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: That's you know, the guy that you heard about.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: I'm that guy he does do that, the guy behind
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: the guy I will be breaking down your film, just
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: so you know.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: Talking about yesterday.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: So they have a little bit of a different setup
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: for this sort of meet and greet with the media
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: with some of these wide receivers, rather than a formal
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 8: press conference in a podium, and they just have them
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: set up at tables. I think my tables, round table,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: you know, so the media is sort of free to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: walk around and talk to whichever one of the players
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: that they want. So Evan and you know, we're all
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: talking about it in the think tank yesterday, Fred, and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 8: you know, Evan's saying, well, you know, I actually kind
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: of like it from a media perspective, which I agree
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: with Evan because it's more personal and you can get like,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 8: you know, like I said, you can talk to whoever
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: you want, and you should be able to get a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: question into whoever you want.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: On your timetable.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: And Evan's like, you know, so you can you make
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: a personal connection with the guy you know, so you know,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 8: like they come back and you know, you know, for
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: OTAs and whatnot and Matt Smith and Trusting goes and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: they have no idea who you are, Mike, and I like, yes.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they know, they know, But that.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: Was exactly what you're talking about, Like, you know, I'm
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 8: the guy, remember me.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the phones. We'll start with
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Danny and Tampa. What's up Danny, Hey.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 17: Gentlemen, how you doing today. I just wanted to compliment.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 17: I wanted to a degree on all of your guys takes.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 17: I was gonna take a Paul approach and uh to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 17: kick some of the things I did, like the fullback starting.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 17: I also like the they finally got an inline blocking
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 17: tight end. I still think they need to a key
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 17: part and they need to draft another or draft to
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 17: tight end. So uh when this coming years draft, so
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 17: I'll wait for that. I give them overall se minus
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 17: grade right now because it's you know, the off season
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 17: isn't done yet. So and I still think they filled
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 17: a lot of keyhole was like you guys mentioned, and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 17: I think they did better then you know, well, they
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 17: made some good moves. They still need some depth. I
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 17: would like them to see them draft some people in
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 17: the safety. One of the one take I want to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 17: give you guys before I get off The Muni Times
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 17: came on yesterday and you know Evan's girl on ESPN
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 17: they were talking about did you guys you guys, I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 17: may have missed it when you guys, uh may have
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 17: said it on the show. It came out late the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 17: Raiders and and the Ravens that nigged on their trade,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 17: mainly on the Ravens part. Yeah, the Ravens nig renigged
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 17: on it, and uh, the whole sports world was kind
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 17: of blown up to that.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 17: She had mentioned the should the Patriots be back in
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 17: on the trade, and I made so I wanted to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 17: make picture, you guys, this trade if I'm the Patriots
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 17: and or I'm Mike Rabel, because we know Elliot ain't
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 17: really doing anything. But if if if I'm Mike Rabel,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 17: I'm calling up I'm calling up the Raiders, and I'm
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 17: I'm I blowball. Though, because they cheftery chefty, I trust sefty.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 17: He reported that they uh the Ravens their team doctors
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 17: and then they had one of the highly most regarded
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 17: team surgeons in in pro football from the Dallas Cowboys
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 17: and gave his best opinion on it. And that's what failed,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 17: from my understanding, what failed the trade because he gave
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 17: his pinion on it and said that his knee was
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 17: still an issue. So what I would do if I'm
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 17: the Patriots, I'd blow ball at first. I would not
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 17: give him a first pick. I'd give him a second
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 17: round and maybe Carlton Davis to sweeten the deal and
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 17: then see if that works. I think it might, But
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 17: I don't know what you guys think.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 8: You're not getting a guy who they just traded for
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: two first round picks for a second round pick and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 8: a thirty year old cornerback.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 17: I think they have to because.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: They can keep them.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: Why not just keep them well?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 17: Because I see that well, for one, they want the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 17: first the first round picks because.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: They're not getting on it.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 8: If you give him the first round pick, then we're talking.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 8: But you don't want to give him a first round pick.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 17: See another option they could do is they could give
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 17: him a second that could turn into a first, but
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 17: I don't know how they.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 18: Could work well.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: But they want a first, even if you give.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Him a first and say, well, our first is thirty first,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: do you want aj Brown? Because now you lost that asset.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Now you have less chance of getting a J. Brown.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I agree with your premise. I would
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 8: kick the tires on Max Crosby and see if you
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: can get because he's not going to get two first
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 8: round picks now, no, you know, no one's, no one's
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: going to do that, so the price is probably dropped.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: And I agree with your overall premise. I would look
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: and I would just.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Keep it like that.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: I would drop the phone. I would go to the Raiders.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: I would pick up the phone and I would see
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: what it would take. I would absolutely get into it. Yeah,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 8: you're not getting him for a second.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Do you pick up that whole situation?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: So I have very mixed feelings. All the scorn and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 8: ridicules that Baltimore is getting. I think they deserve first
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 8: of all. I think they're kind of a slippery organization.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: They're kind of often in trouble. They're often envelope pushers,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: and can I put it that way?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: But I agree with everybody that has all the things
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 8: that they're saying about it. At the same time, if
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 8: I were a Ravens fan, I'd applaud this.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: I would want my team to be willing to do
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 8: something that's not popular, and I know it's not going
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: to be perceived well, but it's going to make my
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: team better. And they're better with Trey Hendrickson and not
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: having forfeited two first round picks, then they would be
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: with Max Cross.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: Do you think that no two first round?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Do you think that the I will call in an
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: uproar locally in the Baltimore area when they made this move,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: affected them backing out of it, because I is that?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: Is that right? They got a lot of pos starting.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: With Kenfora, who's one of the big Ravens.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Forget him, he's completely out of his They didn't like it,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: and they didn't they thought they gave up too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I mean you can make an argument that they gave
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: up too much. Mike you know what, you and I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: talked about this a little bit. You give me your take.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Now, I loved your take of them pulling the fast one.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: But you're from Eric to Costa yesterday saying, you know,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: kind of like we found something. What do you want
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: me to do? I have to protect you know, the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: owner and stuff.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: They actually wanted both, the actually wanted both.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love, you know pulse thing of just
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: saying now Hendrickson's not going let's.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Are they going to make a move the Oh they
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: already did. Oh. I didn't even know that was announcement.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: So my feeling is, first of all, I don't think
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: this had anything at all. This had nothing at all
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 8: to do with Max Crosby's knee. I think that it
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: got into the combination with Fred's talking about they got
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 8: some pushback among their own about how much they gave up,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: so they had some remorse buyer's remorse. Then free agency
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: comes in the top pass rusher on the market, who
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: everybody thought was going to blow everybody away didn't. So
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: now you're looking at him like, I can have this
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: guy for roughly what I was going to have to
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 8: pay Crosby. He's not Crosby as a player, but as
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: a pass rusher, he's pretty close. So I can have
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: this guy for no draft compensation or that guy for
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: two first round picks. Right, got to what do we
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: gotta do to get out of this? You know what
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: I immediately thought of, Fred Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick would
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 8: have done that, absolutely would have made that move.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, we can do that after this. We
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: screwed this up.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 8: Now A lot of people would look and come to
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: that same conclusion, but say it's too late. It takes
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 8: a different kind of cat to say, I know it's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 8: too late, but the ink ain't dry, it's not official yet.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: I'll take the heat.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and we're going to get some blowback.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: They probably did the right thing.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: I think if I were a Ravens fan, I'd be
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: thrilled that my team was willing to do this.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: You can be the bad guy. Yeah, it's gonna blow
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, let's face it, it's gonna blow over.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: I was on Twitter Tuesday night when this is happening.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 8: I can't tell you how many people said two different things.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: Number One, on the Baltimore side, good luck Ravens trying
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 8: to make any more and like five minutes later they
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 8: signed Trey Hendrickson, So evidently Trey Hendrickson's agent didn't have
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 8: any problem dealing with the Ravens. So that's number one
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 8: that will go away. The second part is, Oh, the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: poor Raiders. Now they're stuck.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 7: Give me a napkin with me. I'll show you how
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: they're not stocked.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: Like if they can sort of convince him to stay,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: they're fine. They're gonna end up benefiting from this because
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: they're gonna keep the player and they made some moves.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: Maybe they'll be better.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Are the Ravens on the Raiders schedule this year because
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: that'll be a good thing.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 8: Now, that will be like the Raiders obviously, you know
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 8: you're dead to me, that's totally understandable.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: No, but like Crosby revenge.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: But what do you think would get it done?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: If the team stills like we want Max Crosby, I mean,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: is it compensation still to it's going to be down
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: to it's.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: Not going to be two first, but it's not. But
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: it's not going to just be nothing.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be one in something else.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Like and then this year too, I mean, do you
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: think teams are still going to move on this guy,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: or is this going to put him back in the rate.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: They're going to do their own evaluation.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 7: If you're the Raiders, don't you want me.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: He's just had surgery. Of course his knee isn't right
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: right now, but it's meniscous.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: So I said, this has nothing to do with Max
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: Crosby's knee. Yeah, they didn't find anything they didn't already know.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and remember at the end of the season his
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: knee was so bad that he was pissed that they
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: wouldn't play him in the last two games. He still
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: wanted to play, so it couldn't have been that bad.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 8: It's a meniscus, yeah, but once you get the surgery,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: then you're on the shelf.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: But you want to just play.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: It's not a major surgery. It's not like a cl
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: or achilles. It's a meniscus. Yeah. Most of the time
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: when you get a miniscus, it's.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Just rest right. That's what I had. But concern would
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: be if it gets to Edelman's point where it's completely
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: worn away, there's no cards left, and it's you know,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: bone on bone. He's gonna need a knee replacement at
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: some point. I just want how it all works out?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Does he go back?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, replacement isn't the worst thing either, I hadn't.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: It works still good, yead.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: Best thing I have going for me. Just you got
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: both the known or just one? Just one for now? No,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: I have to go under the knife. April seventeenth, after
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: I'm fixing my achilles and taking out a bone spur.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: What's the matter with your achilles?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: It's torn up?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: You have a twenty achilles.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: It's not completely torn up, but it's I can't. I
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: can't accelerate.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, can you like get on your toes?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's not completely it's because I couldn't.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And a half weeks later I went to the way,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: you're gonna take a little bit from here and put
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: it over here and then take off the bone spur.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: That's all right, A big deal, Freddy, is it? It's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: going to be a little bit of a rehab process. No,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: well it was like six months six months for me. No,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: but you had I had a rupture. Yeah.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna be good by the draft. I mean,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I think I'll be in a boot.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, you could inspire the youth of America and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 8: people everywhere like Jason Tato.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna do a documentary right five parts, because
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like my soul is leaving me with this injury.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: It really is.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: Oh man, we're in a good I really just grew
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: up in the wrong era like I.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: Today.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I could have really played that up.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: I could have put a documentary out there. Patriots dot
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: Com the Road back to reporter.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah uh all right, let's get back to the phones.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: Eight five five past five hundred. We'll start with Zach
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: in New Hampshire. What's up, Zach?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 19: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call. I wanted to know
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 19: your thoughts on Anthony Hill Junior, the Texas linebacker. I
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 19: thought he was a really good off ball linebacker but
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 19: can also help in the pass rush.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, Anthony Hill, Texas off ball linebacker.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him. I mean, you know,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: he's another one of those mobile guys. But yeah, probably
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: in the range about you know, early second, late first
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I think it's like Evan said, I think you're looking
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: at these off the ball linebackers as good depth pieces
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: this year's He's one of the more high end ones.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Just see pull up pool so.
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  Speaker 3: Zach while he's looking why him? Why did you bring
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: up him in particular?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 19: I just think he has, you know, good things. I
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 19: think putting him next to Splene is a rookie could
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 19: really help him and help the Patriots. I think he
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 19: could develop into a guy that could wear the green
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 19: dots someday and just be a good commander for the defense.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just look at my notes. I mean, still a
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: young guy in developmental but six three, two thirty seven,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: so some good size. I mean that's something I'm thinking about.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: You know, Jake Gold is another one from Cincinnati. Bigger
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: inside linebackers, but can run. Still figuring out exactly what
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: they like at that position, but I would I would
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: definitely keep an eye on all those off the ball linebackers.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Like to Paul's point, like, you know, you got to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: have a plan whisper lane long term. I mean, I
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: don't know if last year was a one off where
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: you know, we kind of got banged up. I think
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: he's generally been pretty durable. But you know, again, the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: guy who's about thirty one of those veterans you want
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: to have a back.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: Very most basically taxing position.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Sure, that's why I would you know a lot of contact,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: you know a lot of tackles.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: I mean he had you can get to your mid thirties,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: you know in some other spots.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty tackles a year after you sat
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: with you for a while.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: Hey, Zach, do you have a take on the Patriots
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: free agency so far?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 19: I mean, I really like what they're doing. I think
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 19: a lot of people are sleeping on Romeo Dobbs. I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 19: think putting him with with Drake May is really going
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 19: to benefit him. And then I also really like Barah Tucker.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 19: If he can stay healthy, I think that we'll help
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 19: Will Campbell hugely. But I mean, yeah, a lot of
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 19: good players are sign him.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: All right, thanks for the calls at Let's go to
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: Ohio where Brad is on the line. What's up, Brad?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 14: Hey, guys, how you doing today?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 14: All right? Good? Always good singing Fred? Hope everything goes
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 14: well with it?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm fine. They're even going to put me to sleep.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 14: Just remember before, not.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: What's that? I'm sorry? We were laughing.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 14: Toads above nose, above nose.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, keep it elevated. In other words, Okay, yeah, they
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: want me to keep wade off us for a while.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 14: Remember Riot the acronym rights rest compressions.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, what about Patriots.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 14: I'm sorry, got off on the road thinking I'm thinking
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 14: about a guard. First of all, I got just a
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 14: couple of questions. Please guys help me with this. His
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 14: name's Kaylin Rutledge. I think he reminds me of Logan Mankin,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 14: and I think he would fall in the area that
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 14: we might be able to get him. He's an interior
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 14: lineman who can play all three position and then and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 14: then as a defensive end. Now, don't beat me up,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 14: because you know, I only picked the Michigan players that
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 14: I think could make a difference with our team. So
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 14: that being said, I'm gonna say Derek Moore rusher on
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 14: the defensive end, and then jay Sean Barham I think
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 14: would be a great fit. He just a he's really
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 14: just a really instinctive, violent, wild guy. And then Marlon
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 14: kleinbed the tight end in late rounds. These players I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 14: think will be late round picks too. I don't think
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 14: I think they'll be in a range. That's why I'm
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 14: staying there. Marlon Klein's a good receiving tight end, not
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 14: so much a blocker unless you got him blocking on
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 14: the slot. You can do that. And he's a big guy.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 14: You think he could block, but not in line. And
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 14: then think Max Bredeston, the guy that won that full
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 14: back of the year. I know we've but this guy's
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 14: a fledgehammer, okay and all, and you know, so just
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 14: just sometimes what you guys think about those players.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm taking your word for it, because I have
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: no idea. I'm taking your word for it. We're gonna
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: have We're gonna start the draft show. Thanks, thanks, I
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: just bow No, I've heard a couple show start.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: We're the first episode we out a week from yesterday,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: so we're gonna shoot. We're to talk about quarterbacks and
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: wide receivers today and yeah, first app next week. So
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: which you know, the whole conversation we had at the
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: top of the show. It's like that's when you start
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: the draft stuff, because you know, two weeks ago you
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: think you know what the needs are. But now I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: feel like with their free agency signings, it's really pointing,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: you know, to a set bunch of positions. I would
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: just say, though I know you know More from Michigan
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: is a popular one. I just find myself with the
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: edge class, trying to decide what do they like, you know,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: and I'd say More and t. J. Parker are two
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: guys that you see a lot to the Patriots. They're bigger,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: physical kind of guys, not the like get off the
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: ball speed, made a kind of well trying to balance
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: what that need is going to be.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Well, according to Evan, they're less concerned with that guy
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: that has the size to set the edge than they
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: are with just stringing the play out, depending on their
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: line packers and safeties to fill in. So maybe because
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: of that, as opposed to you know, five years ago,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: they're they're more open to getting that pure pass rusher.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: That's that's what I wonder, I mean. And it could
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: even be a little bit of variety between the two
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: where you know, Landry's now really that guy, but I
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: think they like him playing on the left side, the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: offensive right a little bit, you know, usually where they're
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: going to run a little more, a little bit of
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: a you know, stouter guy perhaps, whereas Chase On. It
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: seemed like this was another point I wanted to make
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: about Chase On. I just think was such a great
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: fit for him, Like it was like just get off
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: the ball and go get the go get the ball.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: So I wonder how much of his production. Maybe they
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, we let guys roam and play free
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: and they're going to make plays. Let's get you know,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: somebody else. I don't know what the reasoning is, but
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: I wonder.
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  Speaker 3: I always go back to, you know, the Belichick days
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: when they had jar miss Green and when everyone was
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: out there. He had really good production, but it was
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: only out there in certain situations because really all he
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: could do was rush.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: The pass it right. Well, that was I mean, I
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: think he went from kind of being that rotational guy
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: comes in on passing down so to then they trade
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Seymour and O nine and now all of a sudden
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: you're asking him to play base, defensive end and right
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: you see, all of a sudden, Ray Rice is, you know,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: going eighty yards.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: To the house. Randy's in Providence. Hey, Randy, guys.
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  Speaker 18: Okay, I think the pre agency moves has kind of
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 18: set up the Patriots fairly well that they have like
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 18: serviceable at least NFL starters at every position and they
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 18: can kind of pursue best player available. I'm curious what
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 18: you guys think about a the trade option for Grenard
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 18: at Minnesota or Josh Sweat. It looks like he's asking
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 18: for a trade today out of Arizona. Pair him up
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 18: with Milton Williams and went a Super Bowl together on
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 18: the same defense.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe.
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  Speaker 18: But also, we've got eleven draft picks. Do you think
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 18: we have eleven roster spots or do you think that
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 18: maybe they're looking to move up, if not in the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 18: first round, maybe in the second or third and target
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 18: specific players as opposed to throwing a whole bunch of
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 18: players at this roster.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: And yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, because that is
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of draft picks. Yeah, thanks, Randy.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Think it'll be a balancing and I think we're all
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: hoping that they're not going to make four.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, they don't all make it.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: That's going to be for a long Saturday.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: I'm just looking at the pluses and minuses.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 8: So off of their fifty three man roster, they've lost
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 8: twelve guys from last year and they've signed eight.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: So that's not the way to do it.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 8: I'm just sort of giving a marking apples to apples comparison. No,
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  Speaker 8: I would not expect eleven guy. I don't expect everybody's
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: draft class to.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: All make the team.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 8: As matter of fact, I think that's kind of a
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 8: sign of a bad team unless you had an exceptionally
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 8: good draft. Yeah, they didn't all make it last year.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 8: I think we have twelve last year. Yeah, we had
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 8: a lot of draft picks last year, they didn't all
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 8: make the roster. Now, I know where they stay in
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: the in the system, you know, like Brayden Swinson's and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: stuff like that.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 7: They end up on the practice squad.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: They come back and forth, they go.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Kobe Minor, Yeah, eleven picks plus Ponder Chishlm and
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 8: depri that all.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: You know, we're.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 8: Do they have the roster spots? No, Like I would
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: say probably not. But I also kind of pushed back
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: on the whole. Well, yes, I mean every team has
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: a NFL player in the starting lineup right now on paper. Yeah, Like,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 8: do you feel good about them all?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 8: I think you can get better in a number of spots.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 8: We'll see if they're able to do that.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Plus it's like Gilliam could take Westover spot Westover's back, But.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: You know, it's that kind of thing where and.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: I'd really look at the offensive line depth who you know,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: really beyond I'd say Ben Brown, you feel okay if
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: he has to get in there, but I mean he's
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: your sixth guy. And after that, you know Lorenz Matts
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: who got here late, Cayden Wallace, Mkay Butler, Andrew Ruh,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Marcus Bryant who maybe, and Sebastian Gudierra's that's their depth.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: So I think they need on one, you maybe ending
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: the last year of his deal, they need some depth.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: We talk about right tackle.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 8: Right, I feel good, you know, and I understand his point,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 8: Like they have a start, like I mean, I don't know,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 8: like is Christian Ellis, Like is that a starting caliber
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 8: player to you? I mean he's he started last year
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 8: and I actually think he played pretty well in the
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 8: second half of the season, especially, I.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: Thought he was pretty act.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: He ascended.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 8: But if he had Anthony Hill junior, right, I don't
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 8: know if he's an NFL player on everybody else's team though,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 8: I don't think they have an NFL top wide out. Yeah,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: you know, they have a bunch of guys who are
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 8: competent players, which is fine, Like, you know, that's what
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 8: they had last year, yea, and they went to the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 8: Super Bowl, So I think you can always can always
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 8: get better.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just say generally, I feel like that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: should be your goal in free agency, is that you
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: know you don't have the glaring, glaring, glaring need. But
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: I would still say, to your point, Paul, the edge position,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 8: Gonna say, I don't think there's a lot of teams
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 8: that would say we're good. We got Harold Landry and
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 8: Draymond Jones on the edge. I don't think there's a
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 8: lot of NFL teams that would say, yeah, with solid
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 8: that's that's the spot for me.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I've also just I think they've checked,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, I do this before. It's not like
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: you wait to see what they do and then say, yeah,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: it was great. Like have a list of things, the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: list of positions I want address. They've hit most of those.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: They haven't really hit the edge all as to the
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: level that I would hope them to. But I don't
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: expect them to fill every single box. And it is
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: a strong edge closs.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: So we'll see. David Barmain a mass I should say.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Paul has mentioned the idea of signing Romeo Dobbs several
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: times before, and nobody seem interested in talking about him
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: as an option.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: Things have changed now, I believe evanstot so everybody's on
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: board now.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: I believe Evan basically said that Dobbs was essentially the
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: same player as Booty and would not add anything for us.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: Now that we signed him, he's suddenly a younger version
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: of Diggs and it was a great signing. I'm optimistic
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: about the signing, but I think we need to be
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: realistic about what Dobbs is.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: It's funny as I have such a memory of Paul
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: being like, what do you guys think just Romeo Dobbs,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't really know, you know,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: he wasn't.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: He wasn't one of the ones that I don't, you know.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: So I'm going to defend Evan a little bit too,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: because he did kind of do a mea culpa today
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 8: and to the defending the email or he may not
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 8: have heard that, he may have just written in. But
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 8: but Evan said he kind of thought about Dobbs the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 8: way he was thinking about him coming out of the draft,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: and he thought he was kind of a downfield, contested
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 8: catch guy, you know, not necessarily now that he's a Patriot,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 8: unsaid now that he's on the pageots, but he did
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 8: say like he's watched, you know, in sort of doing
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: some of his film and watching some of them. He's
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 8: more versatile than he thought. So I'm gonna give Evan
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: a little bit of credit. Some of us that don't
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: watch the film and just know the game, oh know
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: the game by watching it yea once, not twenty seven times,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 8: sort of felt like he was the versatile kind of
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: receiver that could fit well into the.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: Lesson for Evan is after the guy's been in the
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: league for five years, maybe you should get updated and
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: not depend on I tried to defend him rocket shots.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: You know you're gonna give it, you gotta take it.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 8: But in all seriousness, I think the emailer, because it
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 8: was duly noted how how dismissive the panel.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: Was when I brought up Romeo Dobbs about two weeks ago,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: I was indifferent rather than dismissive. But I don't know
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: if that's better or worse.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 8: That's your problem, because you're not indifferent about anything. We
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 8: could have an OTA practice on maintent and you're just like,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 8: I'm just really excited to get out there and see
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 8: when was the last time he was indifferent on anything.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 7: Well, sometimes you're in different spoke volumes.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: No, I was mostly just going off the Guardian cappy
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: war and as I don't look past that.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: I don't want that's a concern the Guardian.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: But make sure just a handful of fun facts coming
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: out of the fun out of the thing a little
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: bit that time for Alvete aka Elijah Vera, Tucker said
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: he's feeling good and is almost one hundred percent expected
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: to be one hundred percent by Otash. Kevin Byard came
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: to a deal with Craig Woodson for the number thirty one,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: which he's worn.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: I saw that he was going to be four now think.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 16: I don't know.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: They did not reveal that, but I thought that was
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: in a and in true full back fashion. Reggie Gilliam
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: he couldn't get forty one away from Brandon Schooler, so
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: he's going with forty four, which I think, any harp.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's great, that is.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Four number.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 18: I like it.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: If we could just get him to wear a caller,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: we'll we'll be we'll be right back in.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: But Reggie Gillium also said he met Drake May this morning.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Who is here today in the facility? So back from
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: it's too bad.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: Sorry, Well so they're back stocking.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Him and he didn't get him.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: He didn't get them. But yeah, just a few things
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: coming out of there.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: I thought that were interesting, Ryan and Quinsy, right sin.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: A lot of Patriots Nation have been wondering why the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: Patriots didn't do more early in free agency. With the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: addition of Buyer to hope that viewpoint starts to change.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Looking at the four main additions we've made, I'm excited
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: the team has clearly improved in four glaring needs from
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: our playoff, runt, guard, edge, wide receiver, and safety. There's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: still more work to do, but as a Patriots fan,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: I'm happy knowing those four areas have been addressed.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: I got I got one of them.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 8: I think you improved at safety, Yeah, I don't think
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 8: you improved at edge. I think you're treading water at
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 8: edge and wide receiver.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: Not at guard. You didn't improve it. Maybe Okay, if
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: he plays, if he's healthy, what's Wilson going to do.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: Don't forget you lost a starter, I know, but Wilson's
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: not gonna play guard. He's gonna go to center.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: He's not as good as Brad.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: No, but he's at the guard position. Did you improve Yes, okay,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: that's what he said. Yes, okay, so you agree with it.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: If he plays right right, he generally doesn't.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 8: Okay, half the time, one last, half the time.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: They'll be better. Okay, but he'll make up for this program.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: Get him over here, get him under our trainers.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: As Mike.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Amy t you have come to the right rip. Talk
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: to Morgan Moses. You've come to the right place. Welcome aboard,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: But Morgan, welcome aboard. My name is Fred. Don't talk
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: about Morgan. Moses plays. He's a durable guy.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 8: He plays every year. He misses a game or two.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 8: I know, old seasons or two.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: I know those are major injuries.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 8: I know that's my that's my fear. It's not like
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 8: he's missing it with a hamstring pull. The fact that
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 8: to Tricip.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: And Achilles, well, the fact that lightning struck him three times,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: it's not going to happen a fourth time. It's not
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: gonna happen, is Romeo Dobbs. This is the take he
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: wants to leave for debate, is Romeo Dobbs. Right now
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: underline in bold more less or equal to Stefan Diggs
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: right now. To me, he gives us exactly what Diggs
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: did last year, and he's only twenty five.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 8: He's twenty six, and uh, he'll play the season twenty six.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 8: My ages are all what he'll be when the season starts.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 8: Right now, as he pounded home. Right now, he's less.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 8: Could he be better? Yes, I think there's there's room
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: for him in this offense. Maybe he fits just as
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 8: well as Digs. But right now, I'm sorry, I can't
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 8: say he's better. When your career high is seven hundred
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 8: yards and you're replacing a guy who has multiple fifteen
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 8: hundred yards one thousand yard seasons and as high as
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 8: fifteen hundred yards, you're not better than him.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I think he's got all the physicals, but
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: he said right now, right now, not.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: The body of right now.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 8: One guy had one thousand yards and the other guy
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 8: had seven hundred. So no, he's not better.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's, you know, the simple way to look
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: at it. But you know, I just I think that
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: there's a great amount of und simple how does he
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: fit in? You know, does he understand the offense? Is
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: he able to you know, do the things that Digs did.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: Diggs had experience with Brian Dable, he was familiar with
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: this offense and so he had maybe a little bit
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: of a leg up. I was just so impressed with
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs last summer, his route running to know coming
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: off in ACL.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is what it looks like even
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: off in ACL.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: We'll see if Dobbs has the same you could have hoped.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 8: I think there's a chance that you can get out
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 8: of Dobbs this year what you got out of Digs
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 8: last year.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: But it's a projection.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 8: He's never done that, so I can't say he's better
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 8: or equal to Diggs today.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: Ford and Savannah. I know it's not apples to apples comparison,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: but do you think the removal of Diggs, who was
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: one of the loudest leaders on the offense, is similar
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: to when the Celtics removed Marcus Smart, allowing the Jas
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: to step into more of a leadership role. It really
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: worked for the Celtics. I know this is something Rabel
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: was pushing for Drake last year, and this move could
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: open up that opportunity even more.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 8: I don't hate the comparison, but I think that what
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 8: the comparison is missing. You know, I love to talk
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 8: about the Celtics is It wasn't about the benefit of
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: leaving Smart out of the leadership equation. Wasn't because I
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: wanted Brown and Tatum to emerge as leaders because they
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: got rid of Marcus smartt the player, like Stefan Diggs,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 8: the player was very valuable for the team last year.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 8: They can replace the leadership. I have no doubt about that.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 8: Back to you guys.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 7: Before before we took the break talking about Rabel's culture.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: I am a believer in that.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 8: So some you know, and it might be Drake May,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 8: but what the the benefit for the Celtics of moving
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 8: on from Marcus Smart was because you no longer had
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 8: this guy that wasn't as nearly as good as he
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 8: thought he was leading the way quote unquote, I'm the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 8: guy I got to take the three point and instead
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 8: it was Brown and Tatum taking big shots. That's why
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 8: you got better when Smart left, not just because of
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 8: the locker room staff.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, and I don't you know, sometimes that stuff
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: is overrated, and you know, we see how these players
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: present themselves to the media, how are they presenting themselves
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes. We get glimpses from time to time,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: but I think the personality difference is pretty extreme between
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: you know, Diggs, who has that kind of alpha dog
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: mentality and and Dobbs, who seems kind of soft spoken
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: and you know, not really some of them replaced.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 8: Diggs, and I think Diggs was excellent in the lockerroom
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 8: the speech. Somebody, somebody will replace that. I don't know
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 8: if someone's going to replace eighty five in one thousand.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 8: I'm hopeful that Dobb's gonna do that.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: And even like, beyond the numbers, it's just the got
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: to have it moments. Hunter Henry, he's the other guy
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: in this is he gonna be able to stay at
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: that level? I mean at this age you and based
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: on how his season ended.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: You'd probably say he's probably going. You know, he's trying to.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: Get the best out of him that you're going to see.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: That's why I get to the draft. I'm like, I
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: want I want a tight end who can run and
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: catch the ball. And I don't give a crap if
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: he can block or not, but I want somebody athletic
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: that you know, has a size progile And you start
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: to maybe because that's what you need this draft. I
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: feel this year you're coming out saying, all right, we
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: know Drake and Dobbs, that's a relationship we're hoping to
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: really foster and that that can be an engine for
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: the offense. But I think you're gonna need another guy,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: whether it's a J. Brown, whether it's a rookie tight end,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: whether it's a rookie receiver, that you can start to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: build that long term chemistry with Drake.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: All Right, Eldridge is on the phone. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 12: Hey, fellas, say, y'all doing today? Okay, Okay, Paul, I'm
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 12: sort of with you, man. I don't know if they
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 12: got better with the with the new additions, but about
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 12: the same.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 14: And Fred will ask you a question because you.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 12: Brought it up a little bit earlier about Drake May.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 12: We got a poll in North Carolina. Well, with the
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 12: season that's coming up this year, is he gonna regress
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 12: or step forward? And were small as like fifty five
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 12: forty five? He gonna step back because of the defense.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: So thinks he's gonna get worse because of his opponents.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 12: Opponents that were playing. Okay, Industry, you've got Seattle, you
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 12: got Kansas City, you got deeper, you got Detroit.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: So again I'm like, of course it can happen. Anything
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: can happen, but don't judge it by whether they want
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: or lost the game. Judge it by how he performed
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: against those defenses. And like, so we know how he
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: performed against Seattle. Let's see how this year, if he's
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: any better, and just how he handles it. To me,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: that's improvement if he handles it better. Yeah, yeah, I
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: just yeah, so we'll see. I mean, listen, anything, but
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: I I just think he's going to be better. But
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: and I think it's a mental thing. We've already seen
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: the physical tools, Like it's hard to improve on that
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: what we saw. I think he's going to be better.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 8: So I going way back to the start of the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 8: late I'm going to say the way that Fred just
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 8: explained that, I agree with you. Now I'm gonna I'll
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 8: change my stance if you're just going to say, like
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 8: he'll be better because he's going to know more and
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 8: all that, Like, yeah, I agree with the way Fred
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 8: put that. I'm just talking about the overall per Yeah.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 8: I can't imagine he's going to be better than that.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 8: I think that is a career type year.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: He's going to be a better all around quarterback.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 8: This but he might be better with worse, you know, right, Well,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 8: That's that's what I'm wondering, is because we know what
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 8: his weaknesses were.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: We know when he wasn't on last year. And I
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: don't kind of forget about the playoffs. I feel the payoffs,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: but I don't even when he was in the season,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: like when he was hitting, you know, especially his rookie year,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: but when he had some slow moments. That's what I'm wondering.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: What does it look like if Drake regresses a little
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: bit next year, like you know, is it you'll know?
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: And I think the mental thing you.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Saw fred is is great because that's where I would
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: expect him to improve, is to you know, not have
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: to always take the shot, like to take the to
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: take the profit as they say, And you know, does
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: he have that mental toughness.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 8: Over the course of the bail out of the pocket
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 8: and look to you know, like yeah, that kind of stuff.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, Yeah, you always hate to say anything
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: about Brady because there's no comparison, but he had bad
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: games he had or stretches of games where he wasn't
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: playing well. Did, but his was the opposite. It wasn't
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: the mental thing. It was something else was going on
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: that pissed him off and he was getting frustrated or whatever.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: You know. So, but every quarterback, every good quarterback, doesn't
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: always have good games. But it's it's it's your pattern.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: It's it's how you how you you know, yeah, string
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: it together and become consistent out there.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: I'm so interested to just, you know, Paul to his point,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to get back out there, just to
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: see Drake again, because you know, unfortunately the end of
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: the year on a down note, and even though they won,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: you know, three playoff games and they didn't play great
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, but that left kind of a
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: bad taste in your mouth. And you're not sitting in
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: this offseason thinking about all the MVP throws he had.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: You're thinking about all the misses and you know, the
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: lack of production in the playoffs, and you know, so
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: to get back out there and to you know, get
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: a sense of him being renewed and trying to get
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: back to that level that and the confidence that he
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: had in the mid season, you know, it's just like
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I want to see it. I want to see us
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: put that playoff run, which sounds weird because you went
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: to this super Bowl, but you got to put those
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: performances behind you and and you know, kind of hit
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: the reset button and like him.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 8: Thinking about better because I don't think there was a
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 8: lot of bad throws in the playoffs. It was just
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 8: like it seemed like he was confused more often in
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 8: the playoffs than we saw during the year.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Comes blitz off the edge and I didn't see that coming.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: Patty's inn Aga, Hey, Patty.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 20: Hey, good afternoon, guys. I just wanted to see if
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 20: you guys read or or heard the quote that Kevin
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 20: Byrd gave to Diana Russini yesterday after he signed or
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 20: after he agreed to sign with the Patriots.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: Is that the one where he came here for vrabel?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 8: No?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 20: He She asked him what what he thought about joining
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 20: the Patriots, and he said, yeah, we're getting the band
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 20: back together. And I kind of extrapolated from that that
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 20: maybe they are going to trade for a J.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: Brown.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 20: But that's my question. Did you guys get any sense
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 20: of that? And I'll take it off there.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well she isn't She also the one that reported
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: it's on the back burner. The A J.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: Brown trade that was Chad Grouse. Oh, that's fact same.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 8: I think that's the same outlet though, right doesn't Diuniver
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: do the athletic.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not I've lost track.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: That's that's a good pick up, you know, Like yeah,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 8: I kind of looked at it as like there's seventeen
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 8: other titles on the roster already.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: But I'm not here to tell you that you're wrong.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe A J.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: Brown was what he was talking about.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe Rabel has a little bit of Bill
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: Belichick in him and that he's going to do anything
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: he can to piss off the Titans ownership. You know,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: I see I I took the guys that I had.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: Now look what I'm doing with them.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of have to say they're just real
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: quick aside, Like I kind of like what the Titans
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: are doing this year, But every time the Bills have
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: made a move, I'm like, what like I and not
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: that I'm like rooting for the Bills or you know.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: What the Bills do that you were confused by, Bradley not.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: I just I don't get like it seems like they're
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: desperate to me, like Bradley Chubb.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 12: More.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: Oh, I like the Dj Moore tree. You know they
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: needed a while receiver. They did need one, but I
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: think that's their Romeo Dobbs. They needed a competent NFL player.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: And it feels desperate to me, Like it feels like that.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 8: But if that's what it was they needed, like, it's
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 8: not desperate like they re signed.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 7: That's boring for him.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: I think they traded a lot to Dj Moore, I
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: mean a pick swap.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: More than the Patriots gave up for Dobbs.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: Is Youngers was in the trade.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, like, I know what which he gave
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 8: him twenty million a year.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: He's mercurial.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, we could just get into it. I like it.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 8: I don't.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just I like I like the thinking.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for you to say something that makes sense.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: I don't like their moves. I don't like their moves.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: I think they've been all their talent they have, and
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: I think if it made money.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the numbers were, because I would
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: say that's a bad thing.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: That time.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: I didn't even know he had I didn't even know
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: if they signed.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: There's evidence, and I have mine tuned to everything that's
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: bad about the bills, So that's supposed to come in
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: my timeline like.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 8: I would have Joey. They botha come back. Then signed
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 8: Bradley Chubb. If they gave him any money. Yeah, Now
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 8: if if they didn't have to pay him any money,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 8: then that's that's a veteran move.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: To me, that's fine.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: I just to me, it feels like they are to me.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 8: I think given his relationship with Joe Brady, it makes.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of sense to me for Buffalo three forty
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: three point five up to fifty two point five twenty
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: nine three years for how much forty three up to
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: fifty two forty three point five up to forty.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 8: Three three year, So fourteen million a year, that's a lot.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 7: I don't like that. I can draft well, I think
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 7: that's a bad move. I'm with Mike.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: They drafted poorly and now they're just they have to
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: DJ Moore.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: He's available, let's you know, and.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: Yes, you can talk to be a stiff, you're not.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 7: He pouted last year for whatever reason, pouted a lot.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, I mean he was traded, but with Joe
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 8: Brady he was very productive. So now he's back, and
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 8: a lot of it was. He was happy girl till
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 8: let they they lost everybody and they sold off all
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: their pieces. They traded McCaffrey, they traded Brian Burns, they
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 8: traded Dj Moore.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: They say they traded all their pieces.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: I don't like what the listen.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: I agree with your overall premise. They're desperate, but.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: They have desperation at all morrhagy and they're like twenty
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: nine year old husbands that like.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: They got a new stadium. They got a new stadium
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: opening up.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: But Kevin Byern at thirty three is a great signing.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, but he's one of eight. It's one of eight.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 8: I agree, he's a great signing. Like I totally agree,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: there's no desperation there. He's way better than Jalen Hawkins,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 8: just like DJ Moore is way better than Khalil Shakier.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 8: They needed a competent NFL receiver like I do him,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 8: get it. I don't like it, Okay, all right? I
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 8: mean people act like they went five and twelve and
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 8: not twelve and five. They sucked and went twelve and five.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: Oh it's this, Paul, It's that they're doing what happened
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: to the Patriots. They haven't drafted well and now they're
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: trying to re lot and make their team.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: They see the.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Stars and when you place it, when you get lose
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady, you think they're.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Buying high, buying low on Dj Moore right now? Like
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: are they gonna get that?
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 7: It's like, what's that?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be the guy that puts them over the edge.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: They can't even throw the ball down the field.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 8: What's what's over the edge? I don't really understand this
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 8: to get to the super Bowl? They better were a
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 8: super receiver than they were last year.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: They're a little bit better maybe for the moment, but
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: we might get into.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 7: The season and be like they're not.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 8: They're not building for twenty twenty nine. They're building for
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty six. They're better than they were last year
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 8: and are at that position. Yeah, but they have Bosa
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 8: is gone.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 7: Now at Oliver can't play.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 8: I mean I thought that was to last so you
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 8: could steal all his cap space like I.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: Let Gilliam go. So do you like?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 11: You?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: You like what they've done? You think Buffalo is on
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: the upswing right now? Is that what you're because I'm
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: just saying I don't like what they've done. I feel
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: like they're circling toilet right now.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 8: I gotta be completely honest here. I'll be completely honest.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 8: I have no idea what Buffalo's doing right now. I
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: don't follow them, I don't cover them. All I can
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 8: tell you is the DJ Moortrade gives them a receiver they.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: Didn't have last year.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 8: I'll agree with you, there's no one even closes on
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 8: that roster as good as he is today. It's like
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: Diggs was for the Patriots last year. They didn't have
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 8: anybody even approaching Digs. That's why that was a great signing. No,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 8: I like, if it's desperate, Okay, I don't know they Yeah,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: they didn't have any receivers and they have Josh Allen.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: That's the difference between the Patriots in twenty twenty in
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 8: the Bills right like they didn't have Tom Brady anymore
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 8: in nineteen when they drafted poorly and sucked. They won
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 8: how many games twelve? You lose Brady, you suck. I
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 8: lose Josh Allen he gets hurt in Week two, they'll suck.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: I will take the Patriots off season over the Bills
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: off season. I will take the Patriots last draft draft.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: That's apples, gpefruits.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: But when you have to go out and your whole
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: thing is like, is Romeo Dobbs like the savior of
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: this team right now?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: No, we're talking about I wonder.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 8: If they want I just pushed back like what they did.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 8: Wonder how much they traded from the fifth round to
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 8: the second round to get DJ Moore.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: He's not the safe. I wonder how much cash they
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: have available for spending.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: That's why I say it's apples a grape fruit whole stadium.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: I wonder, like what their position is to spend cash.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not I don't know. I'm not threatened
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: at all what the Bills are doing.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: I think Josh Allen, that's why I said we should
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: have the Ages because they're the they're the there's been
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: the division champs up until last year.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 8: This is the team because they had because that's your
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 8: primary rival. That's what I think their own space in
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 8: your head. No, for no reason whatsoever, they don't was
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 8: the one who's.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: Been talking about the wind.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: I think he's and I finally, finally, I think he's reveling.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: Finally, come on, And I'm not even because I do
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: respect Josh Allen, but I have to say, but matters.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking at the Patriots. They just went to
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: the super Bowl with Drake May You have been to
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: the super Bowl since the nineties. What you wouldn't give
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: to get to the super Bowl and just get blown out?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: Like I think the whole way that this is the only.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 8: Time that I can ever remember. You sounded like Sully.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 8: You saw like Johnny Sullivan in selfie, like I have.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: They sucked, they would killed to bous like.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 7: They don't wan to be better. They just so that's
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: all they want to.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: But I feel like I feel like, like I think
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: this is awesome. I like it.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: This is the side of Mike. I've never seen it. Like,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I wish they didn't save it till.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: The end of the show. This is awesome. I'm starting
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: my GoFundMe to get the billboard. It's gonna be the
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be the bare naked Patriots ass with the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: words how's the view? How's the view?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 8: You get a bunch of like veteran guys that they're
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: they're gonna move on from and yeah, like they're they're
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 8: not They're not as good as they've been. I totally agree,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: they're not as good as they've been. Like Taron Johnson
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 8: and Matt Mulonal, those guys, they're not part of the
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 8: they're not part of the team anymore.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: Old when all the teams used to have newspapers, we
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: had Patriots Football Weekly, the Bills had one. It was
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: called Shout. It's called and now if they had it
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: would be out because they're out, we're in.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 8: I don't think that they're there. I said it the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 8: whole season last year. I just don't think they're all
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 8: that talented.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they're not. I mean, do you feel like
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: the Bills organization was kind of like what the hell?
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, decision. I just don't see.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: But that's my different thing. Like I don't see anything
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 8: they've done that's been bad. They're definitely not as talented.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: But have they done as much as they should have done?
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: Maybe they did as much as they could have done
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: for the reason.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: That that's a good one.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 8: That's like they don't have the cap space that the
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 8: Raiders have, Like they couldn't afford to take Max Crosby
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 8: back like I mean, they could, but they wouldn't because
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 8: of the stadium in the cash you don't want to
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 8: you know, no, Like I'm I think your point about
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: the stadium is valid, but they're not as good as
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 8: they have been. I just don't think that DJ Moore
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 8: is like a sign of desperation, like you have no
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 8: players and you need to you need to find some
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 8: players desperate.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: Well, okay, if I.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 8: Guess that that's the definition of desperation. Players is desperation. Okay.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: You know, also to poblic we talk about injuries. I
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: mean badly Chubb, he's play. Chubb's a bad missed the
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: whole season in twenty twenty four place twenty.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 7: Two million a year. That's a bad sign. You know,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 7: it's just bad, don't.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 8: I don't have any great I don't have any gray
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 8: area that if they signed him for fourteen million a year.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: But they like that, that's a bad old rush pass rushers.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but I think that you do him on like
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 8: a one year deal, like like Joey Bosa last year
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: he did. He wasn't great for them, But I can
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 8: understand that three for for forty three whatever, that's that's
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 8: a bad deal.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Why can't I think of their desperate rather edge that
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: they just drafted that hasn't really worked out too. I've
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: been blanking.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Greg Russo Russ He's okay.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: He's okay, but he's They're they're in desperate need of
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: a good draft and you know, has some young talent
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: come in and pop and you know, to have that
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: player that maybe they thought Kincaid was going to be
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: when they took him in the first round. It's like,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: all right, this is going to be our weapon tight end.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: We can move around for allen.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: Free agent or draft guys. You don't want to go
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: to Buffalo Patriots new facility. Do you see this facility?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: This is where you want to who cares once a week?
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: I noticed they have like this kind of gradient thing
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: going on with their with their seats, so it's kind
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: of like a red and blue aut It just looks
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: kind of cool, like visually how they painted.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: Because you'll see those seats a lot because nobody will
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: be in them. March in Rhode Island. What's up Mark? Mark? Well,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: Hi Mark, Yes, Yes, it's your turn to talk.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 14: Awesome.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 21: How are you guys?
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: Good? Aggressive? Just kidding with you?
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 21: Yeah, this is my first time calling. I've been a
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 21: listener since last year. You guys do an awesome job
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 21: than you start off with that, all right. Second of all,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 21: I got a point I have thought of that I
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 21: have not heard mentioned anywhere that I think is really important,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 21: and I feel like it's really slept on. All right,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 21: So everybody wants to help Drake may right, they think
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 21: of the line wide receiver number one wide receiver. All right,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 21: that's all valid. You know what they're not talking about.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 21: Getting blocking for the running backs and getting the running
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 21: back room going and picking up Reggie Gilliam is huge.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 21: And also the guy from Miami there, that's that's major.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 21: Like we weren't consistent with running the ball when we
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 21: could run the ball good. I mean, Trevion is ripping
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 21: runs off down the field and Stevenson was bowling. But
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 21: that's got to be more consistent. You get a dangerous
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 21: run attack with wheremondre Stevenson and Trevion Henderson going, and
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 21: then those linebackers cheat up. Then Drake will start cooking
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 21: on those deep shots. Sure like that is just not
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 21: talked about at all, and it bothers me, honestly, because
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 21: I love seeing Trey Beon and m Andre and those
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 21: guys cooking.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: That's where AVT comes in in a better offensive line.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you can have that balance, if you
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: can keep the defenses honest where they have to defend
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: the whole field, then the offense has the upper hand. Yeah,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: and that's that's that's good point, Mark, thank you.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: Two. To Mar's point, I mean I mentioned I just
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: they weren't a good team in short yardage last year.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: Goal line, you know, and the hope is that those
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: guys can help them get those that kind of short
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: yard is But you know, I agree with the point.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I said last season. They're sitting
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: there being like, man, it'd be nice to have a
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: real full back. You know, those are little details that.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: You couldn't really round out until probably see two Tom
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: and New Jersey about the Bills or the new Patriots argument.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: The Bill's DJ More trade is like the Patriots days
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: of getting SiNW and Cooks.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he's better than Sinew.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 8: But that was first of all, the Brandon Cooks deal
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 8: was an excellent deal for the page two thousand yards
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 8: he had.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 7: It was an excellent trade for the Patriots. And if
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: DJ Moore.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 8: Forget it, people can't be rational and objective, so I'm
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 8: not going to do it. DJ Moore was basically Romerio
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 8: Dobbs last year. He's like two years older. He makes
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 8: like four million dollars more like, I don't know. If
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 8: you want to just convince yourself that they stink, then
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 8: they so there's no accomplishment beating.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Them, then right, you need to convince me.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: Right, So when when the Patriots beat the Bills, I
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 8: don't want to hear you tell me what a great
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 8: win that well they get up for us, you know,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 8: I don't want to hear you tell me that that
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 8: was a great win. Some of all, some of us
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 8: on this show on the week five Sunday Night Game
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: picked the Patriots to beat the Bills in Buffalo, And
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: by us, I mean me I was the one that
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 8: did that.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: There you go, Well, can you think that they're just
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: trending downward and you don't think they stink yet?
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: But they're not.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 7: They don't stink. They are eleven twelve win team.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: As long as Josh is going to have to lose
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: a lim for them to get that's what it's going
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: to take.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 7: Great, as long as maybe the referee he calls the play.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 8: As long as you have one of the top five
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 8: back out of the playoffs two years in a row
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 8: by the officials.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: Elfham, Wisconsin. You know, normally I would worry about the
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: injury for a v T. However, if there is one
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: organization that I could be convince that has a training
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: program that's actively bad for players, that be the Jets.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: So that's probably why he's.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: I tried to look, he only played a couple of
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: years that UH at USC and I think the twenty
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: twenty season was COVID, so it's short, and I was
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: trying to see, like where the injuries go back to college.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't seem like it, But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Q's in Atlanta. What's up? Q?
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  Speaker 10: Hey, guys, I got some smoke for a caller, and
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  Speaker 10: also all the Twitter GMS and just pretty much all
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  Speaker 10: those games in general. I know we're excited. I know
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  Speaker 10: it's the off season, but guys, please just let the
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  Speaker 10: people that do their jobs do their jobs. I forgot
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  Speaker 10: who called in earlier. Instead, well, Mike Brabels should call
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  Speaker 10: the raiven because we know Elliot Wolf doesn't do anything
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  Speaker 10: like he's sitting in the building, sitting in the meeting
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  Speaker 10: is just shut up and enjoy the off season.
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  Speaker 12: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's not fun.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, little little collar smoke there.
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  Speaker 1: As he said, you like yelling about each other about DJ.
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  Speaker 8: Right, But I actually liked the call of like, I
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  Speaker 8: think they should be on the phone with Max from
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  Speaker 8: Max Crosby. I think they should be like, I don't
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  Speaker 8: think that's absolutely I don't think that was a bad call.
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  Speaker 3: You should be on the phone, see what's up?
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  Speaker 7: But I mean something.
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  Speaker 3: Don't think every rock to see what's Don't you think.
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  Speaker 8: Something dramatically changed Tuesday night? I don't see the raven
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  Speaker 8: the Raiders getting two first round picks from Max Crosby. Now,
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  Speaker 8: I think the price has had to have dropped.
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  Speaker 3: They're desperate.
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  Speaker 8: Now, I don't think they're desperate, not like Buffalo, but
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  Speaker 8: I think that it's unrealistic for them to expect two first.
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  Speaker 3: Round picks for him. Now, oh absolutely, maybe you were.
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  Speaker 8: Into it, you know, like Dallas supposedly was willing to
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  Speaker 8: give a one and a two. You know, the callers
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  Speaker 8: suggested a two.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I kind of I would be skeptical that it's only
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  Speaker 8: a two. But you don't know if you don't call
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  Speaker 8: I liked that call that we got about why did
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  Speaker 8: they Why did the Raiders want to trade?
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  Speaker 2: Max Crosby. I mean that's a simple want.
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  Speaker 3: He said I want to trade, and so he still
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  Speaker 3: want out. I would have seen you.
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  Speaker 7: So that's the that's the question you have to try
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  Speaker 7: to figure out.
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  Speaker 8: Is is he going to be a problem or is
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  Speaker 8: he going to look at it and say, Okay, I
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  Speaker 8: understand you did trade me. You did do what I
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  Speaker 8: wanted to do when this was sort of extenuating circumstances.
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  Speaker 8: I'll be I'll be a good soldier, I'll stay, I'll
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  Speaker 8: play and then maybe we can figure out something next
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  Speaker 8: year or no, I don't care, tough.
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  Speaker 2: Break trade me right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And if that, if that ladder happens, I think the
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  Speaker 8: guy that called with the second round pick like you
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  Speaker 8: might be able to get him for far less than
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  Speaker 8: the two firsts.
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  Speaker 3: Robert says, that's the first time I seen Deuce go
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  Speaker 3: back and forth. I didn't know he had it in him.
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  Speaker 7: And it was one of my favorite moments.
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  Speaker 8: And I'll let you a little peak, little peak behind
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  Speaker 8: the curtain here. Mike went out at the break to
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  Speaker 8: get a quick sandwich and I had said to Fred
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  Speaker 8: that there was something about free agency or whatever that
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  Speaker 8: you had said that I disagree with that.
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  Speaker 2: Go.
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  Speaker 8: I don't really like to argue with Mike because he's
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 8: not as fun to argue with as Evan, because Evan
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  Speaker 8: is just so white about everything all the time.
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  Speaker 2: He's a great guy to argue because yeah, no, I'll
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  Speaker 2: just be like, no, you're right.
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  Speaker 3: And then Fred was like, no, no, you should, you should.
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  Speaker 2: Oh j what do you don't agree with me?
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  Speaker 7: Paul, Well, this is how you should do free agency. Okay,
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  Speaker 7: Like last year they blew it out of the water
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  Speaker 7: and then they went to the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you're generally in a good place, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: of course, if you have a huge need and there's
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  Speaker 2: a player available at that position, I think you.
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  Speaker 3: Should go for it.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say I'd love to just generally speak
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  Speaker 2: get out of free agency and not feel like we
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  Speaker 2: have a huge hole, Like I know there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a whole perhaps, but they had generally feel like
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna have to draft an edge to start. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it kind of feels right now to me like you
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: kind of don't need to draft the edge to start,
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  Speaker 2: But that's just.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's why I didn't really want to argue
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  Speaker 8: about it, because I know we come out it from
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 8: different places, like I don't really necessart, like I can't
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 8: do the Patriots fan thing and just say like Reggie
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  Speaker 8: Gilliam Championship, like so yeah, but you have a full
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  Speaker 8: back now, so you can do X, Y and Z.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know Ned, North Carolina. Who
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: is That's what I thought Ned in North Carolina. I'm
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: behind the time listening to Tuesday's episode. Just heard Evan
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: say they were a team in the super Bowl, not
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: a super Bowl team. That is Andy's hat size plus one. Bravo. Evan, Well,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: that's that was that was and is a is a
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: word for that when you turn things around like that.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: There's actually a word that describes that wor wordplay. I
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: forget what it is though. Anyway, that's gonna be it
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: for this edition of Patriots. And that's it for the week.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: But the news will keep coming during free agency and
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: we're gonna pretty soon turn our eyes to the Draft.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: You've got the draft shows starting up next week. Next
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: week is going to be a big week for Patriots content.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: So A J. Brown take my word for it, but
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  Speaker 3: you see you next Tuesday.
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