Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 540: Foundations - How (and Why) to Take Summer Deer Inventory
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your
- 0:10Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson. Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to
- 0:15Speaker 1: Hunt Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.
- 0:19Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all
- 0:21Speaker 1: about taking buck inventory in the early summer. Before I
- 0:37Speaker 1: get started on this one, I'm going to just apologize
- 0:40Speaker 1: in advance. I have COVID right now and my brain
- 0:43Speaker 1: is a little mushy. Well maybe foggy is a better word. Anyway,
- 0:48Speaker 1: I'm going to struggle through this one a little bit,
- 0:50Speaker 1: and if I say something down, you gotta forgive me.
- 0:52Speaker 1: I'm sorry. With that out of the way, my friends,
- 0:55Speaker 1: While we are a little early here for really nailing
- 0:58Speaker 1: down the inventory of bucks on your hunting rounds, it's
- 1:01Speaker 1: worth thinking about maybe making a little plan and taking inventory.
- 1:05Speaker 1: Seems pretty simple, and it can be, but it's also
- 1:08Speaker 1: something that kind of gets misrepresented. Is only valuable to
- 1:11Speaker 1: private landowners who are managing deer, or for folks who
- 1:15Speaker 1: only hunt after they've established a hit list and decided
- 1:18Speaker 1: what bucks are shooters of which ones aren't. There's a
- 1:21Speaker 1: lot more to this stage or there can be anyway,
- 1:24Speaker 1: and this is a strategy that can be valuable to
- 1:26Speaker 1: anyone who dear hunts. So in this episode, that's what
- 1:29Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the case for. I'm gonna break this
- 1:31Speaker 1: inventory thing down way beyond what we usually see when
- 1:35Speaker 1: it comes to getting pictures of bucks in the summer
- 1:50Speaker 1: not I don't want to brag, but I was taking
- 1:52Speaker 1: dear inventory before it became the cool thing to do.
- 1:55Speaker 1: I'm joking, of course, because even before it had a
- 1:58Speaker 1: label white till hunters were out. He's trying to figure
- 2:00Speaker 1: out who was living where they could hunt, and the
- 2:02Speaker 1: bigger the deer, the more we focused on them. We just,
- 2:06Speaker 1: you know, at least for the first several decades of
- 2:08Speaker 1: modern deer hunting, never had tools like trail cameras, and
- 2:12Speaker 1: they really are the lynchpin to this whole thing, but
- 2:15Speaker 1: they are also limited in their ability to help us.
- 2:18Speaker 1: Does that sound super clear and concise, like it came
- 2:20Speaker 1: right from the mouth of a professional writer? Guy? Sorry,
- 2:24Speaker 1: I know it's not. So let's start with the very
- 2:26Speaker 1: basics before we move on to the nuances of summer inventory.
- 2:31Speaker 1: Buck inventory, you know, or summer inventory or whatever. It's
- 2:35Speaker 1: a simple act of trying to tally up who lives
- 2:38Speaker 1: where you can hunt them, and just to see how
- 2:41Speaker 1: many of them there are. For hunters and deer dense states,
- 2:45Speaker 1: this might just include top end bucks as well as
- 2:48Speaker 1: some of the up and comers who are off limits.
- 2:51Speaker 1: For others living in lower deer density areas or just
- 2:54Speaker 1: hunting tougher ground, it might just be an attempt to
- 2:57Speaker 1: figure out how many deer of all shapes and sizes
- 2:59Speaker 1: are around. This helps informed decisions on whether to fill
- 3:03Speaker 1: antlerless tags or not, and whether to hold out for
- 3:06Speaker 1: a certain sized buck or just let one fly. Whenever
- 3:08Speaker 1: you get antlers up close. Inventory is useful for the
- 3:12Speaker 1: hunter who has been on the same farm since Carter
- 3:14Speaker 1: lost the Oval office to Reagan, or for the hunter
- 3:17Speaker 1: who is just starting to mess around on a new
- 3:19Speaker 1: piece of ground. It's valuable to the private land hunter,
- 3:23Speaker 1: and it's valuable to the public land hunter, although as
- 3:26Speaker 1: you can probably guess, this is tied to a pile
- 3:30Speaker 1: of local and situational variables. Now, with that out of
- 3:34Speaker 1: the way, I want to start with an easy spot.
- 3:36Speaker 1: The easiest spot probably to take inventory private land in
- 3:39Speaker 1: a state with no restrictions on feeding or minerals. If
- 3:43Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to have a spot like that in
- 3:45Speaker 1: a state that hasn't put the damper on how you
- 3:47Speaker 1: can concentrate, dear, your task is pretty easy. Just go
- 3:51Speaker 1: buy yourself a salt block or a mineral block and
- 3:54Speaker 1: then head on into the woods, put it on the
- 3:56Speaker 1: ground about eight ft from a tree, and then put
- 3:58Speaker 1: your camera on a tree. Done and done, Easy peasy.
- 4:03Speaker 1: Now all you have to do is let that sucker
- 4:05Speaker 1: soak until I don't know August. Then you go in
- 4:08Speaker 1: count up the monster velvet box you've got on camera,
- 4:12Speaker 1: you know, making sure to divide them into neat piles
- 4:14Speaker 1: of deer you'd kill and deer you wouldn't. And that's
- 4:16Speaker 1: about it. You've got your inventory. As you can imagine.
- 4:21Speaker 1: Doing that doesn't give you much insight on how to
- 4:23Speaker 1: hunt those deer or anything else, but it does establish
- 4:27Speaker 1: a baseline for the season. That's better than nothing. But
- 4:31Speaker 1: what if you can't run mineral sites or salt blocks
- 4:34Speaker 1: or dump a pile of apples out every week, Well,
- 4:37Speaker 1: then you have to think about the deer a little more.
- 4:39Speaker 1: And I think that's a good thing. This issue with
- 4:42Speaker 1: chronic wasting disease in white tails is not going to
- 4:45Speaker 1: go away likely ever, so rules against concentrating deer with
- 4:49Speaker 1: attractants are probably here to stay as well. You can
- 4:52Speaker 1: think of that what you will, but it is the
- 4:54Speaker 1: law of the land in many, many places. And it's
- 4:57Speaker 1: also worth noting that some states outlaw all types of attractants,
- 5:01Speaker 1: while others have specifics in place and what kind of
- 5:03Speaker 1: attractans can be used and when they can be used.
- 5:06Speaker 1: This means you might be able to have a salt
- 5:07Speaker 1: block out until the day before the bow opener, but
- 5:10Speaker 1: then it has to be removed. In some states there
- 5:13Speaker 1: can't be any evidence even in the soil of that
- 5:15Speaker 1: salt block or mineral station. This has gotten more than
- 5:19Speaker 1: a few people in trouble over the years, especially when
- 5:21Speaker 1: they shoot a monster buck and the jealousy thing comes
- 5:24Speaker 1: out and people call them in for a suspected violation
- 5:26Speaker 1: of violation they might not even have known they committed.
- 5:30Speaker 1: You also have some states where mineral blocks are just fine,
- 5:33Speaker 1: but anything that can be construed as bait isn't. To
- 5:36Speaker 1: put another way, if an attractant has some type of
- 5:39Speaker 1: food in it, you can't use it. There are a
- 5:42Speaker 1: lot of attractives on the markets with names like I
- 5:44Speaker 1: don't know, a super big buck mineral magnet or giant
- 5:47Speaker 1: toad buck cocaine that promises your deer will be hooked
- 5:50Speaker 1: on it and party like it's in Miami. What you
- 5:54Speaker 1: need to be aware of with those products is that
- 5:56Speaker 1: they often have some food component or ingredient in them,
- 6:00Speaker 1: even if they really aren't advertised that way. A little
- 6:04Speaker 1: bit of corn mixed in, or some kind of ground
- 6:06Speaker 1: up apples or whatever food sources in there, and now
- 6:09Speaker 1: you're on the wrong side of the law when you
- 6:11Speaker 1: thought it was just maybe some kind of a mineral thing.
- 6:14Speaker 1: Pay attention to your local laws scratch. Pay attention to
- 6:18Speaker 1: your current local laws because this stuff is always changing.
- 6:21Speaker 1: And make sure you don't do something silly like buying
- 6:24Speaker 1: a product that is totally illegal and then putting it
- 6:26Speaker 1: out there and advertising it to the world when you
- 6:27Speaker 1: start posting your summer images on the Graham. Now, before
- 6:31Speaker 1: I move on from this, I just want to say
- 6:33Speaker 1: one more thing about it. Even if your local sporting
- 6:36Speaker 1: goods store sells something that doesn't mean it's legal to
- 6:40Speaker 1: use in your state, I can go to my local
- 6:42Speaker 1: Cabella's right before the gun season opens in Minnesota, and
- 6:46Speaker 1: see palettes of corn, bags of corn. I can see
- 6:50Speaker 1: automatic deer feeders, I can see all kinds of products
- 6:53Speaker 1: that are totally illegal to use while hunting in my state.
- 6:57Speaker 1: That's a cautionary tale on this stuff. And better yet,
- 7:00Speaker 1: I'll say that you don't need any of those products
- 7:02Speaker 1: to take inventory. In fact, I think it's more valuable
- 7:05Speaker 1: to gather your intel a more old fashioned way, So
- 7:10Speaker 1: you might you might want to think about inventory differently.
- 7:14Speaker 1: Instead of contriving a situation to concentrate deer in a
- 7:17Speaker 1: three foot circle, you have to take stock in what
- 7:21Speaker 1: your ground offers and to decide where are the best
- 7:23Speaker 1: places to put your cameras to capture the images of
- 7:27Speaker 1: all the deer that live there. This does a couple
- 7:30Speaker 1: of things for you. First off, attracting the local deer
- 7:33Speaker 1: to one spot and taking pictures of them tells you
- 7:36Speaker 1: very little. It does tell you who is around, which
- 7:39Speaker 1: seems like the only goal. And it does tell you,
- 7:42Speaker 1: I guess what direction they approached the mineral site from.
- 7:46Speaker 1: That's maybe a little bit valuable, but beyond that doesn't
- 7:49Speaker 1: really do you much. That's as basic of inventory as
- 7:52Speaker 1: you're gonna get and that might be enough for some folks.
- 7:54Speaker 1: That might be okay. But if you can't or don't
- 7:58Speaker 1: want to use some kind of attractive then you're in
- 8:00Speaker 1: a different spot. You've got to think about how you
- 8:03Speaker 1: can strategically capture images of as many deer as possible
- 8:07Speaker 1: while building up your hit list in a more natural way.
- 8:11Speaker 1: Obvious spots for this include field edges and food plots,
- 8:14Speaker 1: but you can also dive a little deeper and post
- 8:17Speaker 1: a camera up over a pond or other water source,
- 8:19Speaker 1: or maybe focus on a fence crossing or some other
- 8:22Speaker 1: high traffic area you find. I really like this style
- 8:26Speaker 1: of taking inventory for two reasons. The first is that
- 8:30Speaker 1: while it's not as easy as just using some kind
- 8:32Speaker 1: of attractant to concentrate deer, it will still show you
- 8:36Speaker 1: a complete roster of the deer on your property. The
- 8:39Speaker 1: second is that it combines actual scouting with taking inventory.
- 8:44Speaker 1: That's important. While it's nice to know that there are
- 8:47Speaker 1: three bucks using your ground that would all score between
- 8:49Speaker 1: say fifty inches, it's better to know that, plus know
- 8:55Speaker 1: that the biggest buck loves to water a certain stock tank,
- 8:58Speaker 1: and that the two other decent you're always seem to
- 9:00Speaker 1: travel together, and they really like to use one certain
- 9:03Speaker 1: trail that leads out to the neighbor's bean field. In
- 9:06Speaker 1: this way, there's a very thin membrane that divides deer
- 9:09Speaker 1: inventory from good old summer scouting. But there's more. Let's
- 9:15Speaker 1: say you're a public land hunter and would never ever
- 9:18Speaker 1: ever name a deer in your life. You just like
- 9:21Speaker 1: to hunt, and you make your judgment call on who
- 9:24Speaker 1: gets shot by who walks down the trail and get
- 9:27Speaker 1: your heart pounding. Now, if that's you and you don't
- 9:30Speaker 1: listen to too much pop country, we could probably be
- 9:34Speaker 1: best friends or pretty good friends anyway. Now, all potential
- 9:37Speaker 1: friendships aside, there might be another reason to take inventory.
- 9:41Speaker 1: You know, first off, it's just fun to know who's around.
- 9:45Speaker 1: Even if you think the bucks you get on camera
- 9:47Speaker 1: will be pushed out long before you have a chance
- 9:49Speaker 1: to shoot them, it never hurts the old motivation any
- 9:52Speaker 1: to know there are some big bucks around in your neighborhood.
- 9:56Speaker 1: You might also want to just know what caliber a
- 9:58Speaker 1: buck is mostly of ailable or how many deer are
- 10:02Speaker 1: using the woods in total, or at least as much
- 10:05Speaker 1: of that as you can know. So let's say you
- 10:08Speaker 1: live in a not so great trophy state, and you
- 10:11Speaker 1: just want to have a rough idea what your odds
- 10:13Speaker 1: are of shooting a certain kind of buck, and your
- 10:16Speaker 1: summer inventory, whether on a salt liquor on natural movement,
- 10:19Speaker 1: shows you that the entire crop of bucks all appear
- 10:22Speaker 1: to be under three and a half years old. This
- 10:25Speaker 1: is really not uncommon, and it is telling. It tells
- 10:29Speaker 1: you that holding out for a hundred and seventy inch
- 10:31Speaker 1: is pretty stupid, and in fact that holding out for
- 10:36Speaker 1: maybe a d five inch or might be almost equally
- 10:39Speaker 1: as stupid. It might show you that a ninety seven
- 10:43Speaker 1: inch two year old is a real, actual trophy in
- 10:46Speaker 1: your region. That's good knowledge to have. And besides the bucks,
- 10:50Speaker 1: a comprehensive look at all the deer or most of
- 10:53Speaker 1: the deer in your woods will tell you you know
- 10:56Speaker 1: if you should shoot five does all this season or
- 10:58Speaker 1: just let every mamma walk talk. Now, a lot of
- 11:02Speaker 1: hunters default to the state biologists or wildlife biologists or
- 11:05Speaker 1: whoever is deciding on tag allocations, but I don't. Of course,
- 11:10Speaker 1: you can't just overshoot the available tags, because that's poaching
- 11:13Speaker 1: and not good. But there are situations where the recommendation
- 11:16Speaker 1: might be for everyone to get three antlerless tags, or
- 11:19Speaker 1: some county being a lot at a certain amount of
- 11:22Speaker 1: dough tags, which seems like way too much from your perspective.
- 11:26Speaker 1: Maybe you just feel like, after a month or two
- 11:28Speaker 1: of inventory that it would be best for the herd
- 11:31Speaker 1: if you laid off the does, Or maybe you see
- 11:33Speaker 1: so many deer on camera that you green light yourself
- 11:35Speaker 1: to fill your freezer this fall and fill every antlerless
- 11:38Speaker 1: tag they'll sell you. I realized this is a weird tangent,
- 11:42Speaker 1: but in some ways, we all own some level of
- 11:45Speaker 1: responsibility with the deer we hunt. Besides the obvious, we
- 11:49Speaker 1: know our woods and we know our critters that live
- 11:52Speaker 1: in them better most of the time than somebody who's
- 11:55Speaker 1: never been there could know. Somebody who might be using
- 11:58Speaker 1: population models to predict how many deer living there, and
- 12:02Speaker 1: they've never set foot in the county that you hunt in. Now,
- 12:07Speaker 1: even if you think it possibly really can't matter one
- 12:11Speaker 1: way or the other whether you personally shoot one or
- 12:14Speaker 1: ten deer this season, it's still up to us to
- 12:17Speaker 1: police ourselves. To some extent. We are as the stewards
- 12:20Speaker 1: of this resource, and I think we should be in
- 12:22Speaker 1: tune to it. At the very least. Inventory helps us
- 12:25Speaker 1: with that. Sorry, enough of that tangent, because I want
- 12:28Speaker 1: to talk about something else with some inventory. The fact
- 12:31Speaker 1: that it's often great a bullshit. Well, not exactly, that's
- 12:36Speaker 1: too harsh. But I've interviewed quite a few dear biologists
- 12:39Speaker 1: in my life who have done extensive research on summer
- 12:43Speaker 1: ranges and home ranges and everything related to where deer live,
- 12:47Speaker 1: and all of them have said at one point or
- 12:50Speaker 1: another that some bucks are homebodies and some bucks just aren't.
- 12:56Speaker 1: Some deer and we really still don't know the reason
- 12:58Speaker 1: for this have a bring in summer range and then
- 13:01Speaker 1: a fall and winter range. Those ranges might be miles apart.
- 13:05Speaker 1: And while not every deer lives this way, the ones
- 13:08Speaker 1: that do seem to be pretty reliable in their migrations.
- 13:13Speaker 1: This doesn't seem to be tied to available food or
- 13:15Speaker 1: summer cover or anything like we can definitively put our
- 13:18Speaker 1: fingers on yet. But I refuse to believe it isn't
- 13:22Speaker 1: some evolutionary path that took hold in certain deer and
- 13:25Speaker 1: not others. That means it is, or more likely was
- 13:29Speaker 1: beneficial to the deer somehow. Now it might be or
- 13:33Speaker 1: it might not be. We don't know, and it really
- 13:35Speaker 1: doesn't matter. That's all just kind of purely academic, and
- 13:37Speaker 1: it's kind of fun to think about. But the reality
- 13:40Speaker 1: is we just need to acknowledge that that exists, and
- 13:42Speaker 1: those traits vary from buck to buck, summer homebodies, some aren't.
- 13:48Speaker 1: And what we do know is that you might run
- 13:50Speaker 1: a camera on a corn pile all summer long and
- 13:52Speaker 1: have every buck named, and suddenly, right around the bow opener,
- 13:55Speaker 1: two of your hit listeners are just gone poof, And
- 14:00Speaker 1: you think maybe they got hit by a car, or
- 14:01Speaker 1: maybe the neighbor poach them, or maybe aliens sucked them
- 14:04Speaker 1: up to the mother ship to try venison for their
- 14:06Speaker 1: first time. It doesn't matter where they went, because they
- 14:09Speaker 1: are gonzo, and that is that now they're gone from you.
- 14:15Speaker 1: But somewhere down the road, some other hunter will be
- 14:17Speaker 1: the beneficiary of a few new bucks that just showed
- 14:19Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. He's probably sitting there thinking, what
- 14:22Speaker 1: the hell where did these bucks come from? Now that
- 14:26Speaker 1: sucks if you're the one who loses the bucks, but
- 14:28Speaker 1: it's pretty awesome if you're the one who gains a
- 14:30Speaker 1: couple of good bucks. And even if you're on the
- 14:32Speaker 1: losing end of this deal, the good news is that
- 14:35Speaker 1: you might pick up a few fresh recruits from somewhere else.
- 14:38Speaker 1: And if not, oh well, they are just dear. And
- 14:42Speaker 1: on that note, I want to talk about one last
- 14:44Speaker 1: thing with summer inventory. Don't get married to it, or
- 14:48Speaker 1: more specifically, don't fall in love with the bucks that
- 14:51Speaker 1: you see and get images of all summer long. Some
- 14:54Speaker 1: of them will undoubtedly be around for you in the fall,
- 14:56Speaker 1: and some of them will undoubtedly be gone, so deer
- 15:00Speaker 1: might live on your place. Others might pass through from
- 15:03Speaker 1: time to time. The buck that you have the most
- 15:05Speaker 1: pictures of, who you know is going to bet on
- 15:07Speaker 1: a certain knob and always enters the soybeans from a
- 15:10Speaker 1: specific trail. The buck who is I don't know all
- 15:13Speaker 1: of or thirty inches bigger than anything you've ever shot before,
- 15:16Speaker 1: and he's oh so predictable in his patterns. That buck
- 15:20Speaker 1: might just disappear, or we might get shot by your
- 15:23Speaker 1: neighbor opening morning, who has the deer hunting skills of
- 15:25Speaker 1: a throw pillow and probably drank six bush lattes before
- 15:28Speaker 1: climbing into a widowmaker wooden tree stand he built with
- 15:31Speaker 1: his grandpa seventy three years ago. Hunting works like that.
- 15:35Speaker 1: The point here is that even though you thought that
- 15:37Speaker 1: buck was yours, he wasn't. He never was. They aren't
- 15:42Speaker 1: until we wrap our tags around their antlers, and that's
- 15:44Speaker 1: how this stuff goes. So inventory is cool. Can be
- 15:48Speaker 1: really fun to take stock in the local white tails
- 15:51Speaker 1: and get involved in a little census taking. It can
- 15:53Speaker 1: prove to be a useful tool for overall decision making
- 15:56Speaker 1: throughout the season, and even help you become a better
- 15:59Speaker 1: hunter when you're doing it. It can do a lot
- 16:01Speaker 1: of things for you, regardless of the type of land
- 16:03Speaker 1: you hunt or the type of hunter you are. But
- 16:06Speaker 1: I also can lead to some of the nastiness that
- 16:08Speaker 1: just rears its ugly head up and deer hunting quite
- 16:10Speaker 1: often because it's never easier to expose yourself to trophy
- 16:14Speaker 1: bucks than through summer trail camera usage, and that trophy
- 16:17Speaker 1: over everything else. Mentality, hatred for other hunters or neighboring
- 16:21Speaker 1: landowners and all that stuff. Honestly can just lead to
- 16:24Speaker 1: a weird hatred of the deer. Well, I don't know.
- 16:26Speaker 1: Hatred is probably too strong of a word, but it
- 16:29Speaker 1: can lead to a lot of frustration, a lot of
- 16:31Speaker 1: frustration actually, which tends to show up when the bucks
- 16:34Speaker 1: we count on decide they're going to ghost us faster
- 16:37Speaker 1: than a crazy tinder hookup. That's life part of deer
- 16:40Speaker 1: hunting the bucks, you know, no matter how familiar we
- 16:44Speaker 1: get with them, they'll almost always give us the slip.
- 16:48Speaker 1: They'll almost always tease us with their presence and improve
- 16:51Speaker 1: to us that they are better at surviving than we
- 16:53Speaker 1: are at killing them. But that's also what keeps us
- 16:56Speaker 1: coming back, and if you can learn to live with it,
- 16:59Speaker 1: keeps us developing a love for them. And this weird
- 17:02Speaker 1: game we play where we try to run sharp sticks
- 17:04Speaker 1: through their ribs. It's a wild thing we do here.
- 17:06Speaker 1: This obsession of ours and taking inventory can be this
- 17:09Speaker 1: a creative, enjoyable aspect, as long as we don't let
- 17:13Speaker 1: it add too much fuel to the crazy antler fire
- 17:17Speaker 1: that that is so prone to burning out of control anyway,
- 17:23Speaker 1: So take that for what it's worth and come back
- 17:25Speaker 1: next week. The next episode is going to be a
- 17:28Speaker 1: morale booster, a self confidence booster, a plea to get
- 17:32Speaker 1: you to understand how good of a deer hunter you
- 17:34Speaker 1: are and how good of a deer hunter you could become.
- 17:36Speaker 1: Because really, after a year of droning on and on
- 17:39Speaker 1: and on, which is a line I stole from a
- 17:42Speaker 1: wonderful song called black Dogs and Bubbles, I'm going to
- 17:45Speaker 1: tell you how freaking awesome you are at this and
- 17:47Speaker 1: why that matters. I'm gonna lay it all out because
- 17:50Speaker 1: that's what I want to talk about next week, and
- 17:52Speaker 1: I want to get into more of that stuff as
- 17:54Speaker 1: we enter into the year two of this foundation's podcast,
- 17:56Speaker 1: so I hope you stick around with me. That's it
- 18:00Speaker 1: for this week, my white tail obsessed friends. I'm Tony
- 18:03Speaker 1: Peterson and this has been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,
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