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Unpacking The Huge RHONJ News, West/Amanda/Ciara Speculation, Kyle & Amanda's New Low Point, The RHOBH Mask Debacle, Kyle/Dorit/Erika's Issues and More with Chelsea Stark-Jones · Gabbing with Gib

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Gather With Gim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Gibson John's, and today on the show we're talking about the big real housewives of New Jersey news that came out this week, the latest drama from Summer House both on and off the show and the real housewives of Beverly Hills with one of the co-hosts of the ringers morally corrupt podcast all about bravo, Chelsea Stark Jones, it's a great
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got into a lot of it, but there are two little social media updates I'm going to mention up top here that happened between when Chelsea and I recorded Thursday morning and then me recording this intro in the afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first is that Kyle Cook did post an apology to Amanda Betula following the episode, a couple days later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He posted a picture of them on Instagram and he wrote, there's no excuse for how I acted last summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way I spoke to and about Amanda was unacceptable and it's brutal to watch back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but not nearly as painful as what she's had to go through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A man that I've already spoken about all of this, but I feel the need to acknowledge this publicly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm truly sorry and regret the way I handle myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know nothing can erase the hurt I cause, and she never deserves that, and I need to be better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take that as you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just adding my extra context.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we obviously do discuss how Kyle talks to you in about a man doll in this week's episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing that I want to bring up is, you know, Chelsea and I do talk about the speculation about Amanda and West.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about West's comment on what's happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also bring up this whole thing about how Sierra and Amanda were supposed to do a joint Amazon live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think today, Thursday, it had been announced the day the doom wall rumors came out earlier on the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, it became two separate Amazon lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of people are reading into that and saying, oh, this means there's bad blood between them, and then that coupled with the timing of it all and the speculation about abandoned West.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all these rumors, everyone's putting two into together and thinking that this means like, oh, you know, also like Sierra hasn't liked or commented on any of Amanda's posts in recent weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every, again, people are sort of bullets in boarding it and like putting it together, the pieces, you know, they think there's bad blood between a man and Sierra and then they think that's because something happens between a man and a West.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about some of that in our conversation, but the latest thing in regards to that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is that on Thursday afternoon, Amanda replied to a comment under a video that friend of the pod Morgan P talks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was on a couple of weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She made a video about how Amanda and West getting close on summer house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That probably hits differently for Kyle now with these
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[SPEAKER_01]: West is a safe boy bestie for Amanda because they never date.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so much fun he cares about his friends and they have mutual friend to hang out with all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Amanda wrote under and replied to that, thank you in all caps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: so take that as you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to share those things because they've come out since our conversation and they add context and color and updates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible there's some other reason that Sierra and Amanda could have that blood that's totally unrelated to the Westerners and the potential that Amanda and West.
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[SPEAKER_01]: had some romantic hook-up or our dating, secretly, yeah, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are other reasons that they could potentially have that blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could they just not have that blood at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did separate Amazon lives and don't interact that much in social media right now for other reasons?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could that mean nothing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could it all be people reading into things?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could everything actually be connected and true?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, yes, I guess, even though that would be so crazy and hard to believe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think that everybody is sort of across the board and going back and forth on it right now, because there are so many different things you can read into, but, again, Chelsea and I get into that, I just want to add these two extra pieces of information for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For now, keep listening for my chat with Chelsea Stark Jones, all about Summer House, New Jersey and Beverly Hills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're ever listening to this right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want a gab.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today we are gabbing once again with Chelsea Stark-Jone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's one of the co-hosts of the ringers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bravo podcast, Warly Corrupt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea has always been one of my favs and it's been a minute since she's been on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thrilled to have you back, Chelsea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Gibson, I like I'm always honored when I get a text from you and it's like, hey, you want to join the podcast?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look, Gibson, what's my opinion?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, no, literally, I'm like, of course, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we've had so many shots over the years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I know, you know, and I've been like, I don't remember what it was specifically, but you run some household show and I was like, oh, my, that's, that's my friend.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's my friend Gibson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get into Summer House and Beverly Hills, but the big Bravo News this week, which we already kind of knew, but it was confirmed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That Theresa Melissa and Dolores are the only people coming back to Jersey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna start filming in the spring presumably with like three to four new people and guessing, what were your initial thoughts on that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The reunion was worth it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Melissa and Theresa making up was well worth it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It does feel genuine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to let I'm going to pretend until I've proved otherwise.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think like you said, we all kind of assumed it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If we get a new version of Melissa and Theresa, we're not fighting or bickering or like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: taking love dags.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm fine with it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But if this is like a wash and repeat of what we've seen in other seasons, that has turned viewers off before, then I don't want it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm curious, so the other women are going to be, I like the fact that they didn't like fully scrap everybody and go like the new runny route and that they are keeping us with pillars of the franchise.
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[SPEAKER_04]: pillars and then Dolores is like a universally like housewife.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I will miss Margaret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She also announced this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not going back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I will miss Margaret.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I completely understand why if she probably gave the stance it's either mere Theresa and they're like, well, Theresa's coming back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't understand why she said okay, goodbye.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was not a healthy situation for her and she's gonna be just fine without the housewives, but I'm gonna miss her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think she adds so much to the show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's funny.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She has great lineers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love her house.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love her naked showers with her husband every morning.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I just, I'm gonna miss her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew it would be divisive because just how intense fans of Theresa are, but I don't get really cared at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I posted that I thought the Margaret is really one of the best housewives they've ever had on Jersey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that second, that sort of second win the show had sort of starting around when she joined, which was like, when they didn't change the cast for like four or five years or something like it was kind of, she was kind of part of the start of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to credit her for all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was never afraid of confrontation, had many iconic lines, took it to Teresa, spoke for the audience a lot of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just think that she should be proud of the run that she had on that show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I agree with you that it sort of makes sense for them to choose Teresa over her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Melissa and Teresa reuniting was part of the death of Nell for Margaret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it hadn't happened, I think this situation would have been murky here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then being able to have a united front, just Margaret was really the, the pain and Theresa side.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think Margaret and Melissa are still friends?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's still friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a nice comment that Melissa made on Mars, but I feel like in situations like this, it totally makes sense if there's some space that has been formed between them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you been seeing Antonio Gorgas TikToks?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, she, for whatever reason, like I don't know why she's starting now, is rewatching New Jersey.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it is, it's really funny.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's so cute.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't know, just seeing her come into her own a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I never really thought she showed too much of a personality on the show, but seeing her on her TikTok is like her like expressing herself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, her takes on like what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, she's, she was like, the two twins, like, what's up with that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're all still asking her question.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It sucked because it was just when her family reconciled and she's like, what we start watching this because the season two or three, whatever, at the crescenating and she's, I'm like, girl, turn it off.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't want to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's like, it's like in this new season, the storylines going to be end 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, mom, you can't be friends with them again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you see what they did to you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were moving forward and so it's it this is interesting thing though, where it's like all right We took that almost two-year break from this show Yeah, and we're landing back with Theresa Melissa and Dolores.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not complaining because I'm happy as you said They're not doing a fall reboot or whatever and I guess with the exception of the marker factor Because I don't think the marker could like pretend with Theresa and Louis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, the show didn't need to be recast in the big way, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Rachel Danielle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of had really unlucky timing with the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were actually pretty solid as new housewives in those two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what was a fun friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jen Aiden, they sort of after last season, they absolutely should have let her go regardless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacky didn't need to be there, but ultimately, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't have to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just had to pause.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just had to pause.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that, you know, as much as us as fans want everything like right now, I think Gapaz was really smart to let their wives live out a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think a few franchises could benefit from it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I know, we're going to talk about Beverly Hills, but I think that's one of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I will miss Jen Fessler.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think she's also hilarious and like just like a light friend.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I'm curious as to who else they're going to bring, who's going to be friends of whom and what the drama is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rumor Chelsea is that there's there's a report question, quote and quote, I don't know where it came from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it could be a full shit that Danielle and Kim D are being considered to be friends of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I know about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I know about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good word.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are both millennials.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We love nostalgia.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't want Danielle's stop back on my screens again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And where is she?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where is she currently with Danielle, or I'm sorry, with Melissa and Theresa?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like she's not really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like not in a good place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I don't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't even.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's get into summer house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's again a lot to discuss with this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it's totally just the moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure people are tired of hearing me say that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Favorite show on Broadway?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is delivering on so many fronts right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because I feel like it started out being so Amanda and Kyle have the, there was a couple weeks where it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then obviously this week, Kyle reared his head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they get back from the night out and he is upset that Amanda is not paying attention to him inside DJing alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's hanging out with everybody else by the pot tub.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He could've easily just come outside and hung out by the hot tub.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And take the DJ table and stand right there put your feet in the pool and totally do the ones and twos.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you probably would have gotten a noise complaint for your neighbors and the Hamptons, but that's, you know, that's a risk you take.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he ultimately says, fuck you to Amanda in front of everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After she gave him, quote, fuck you eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was his, that was his term.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's your interpretation of a fuck you eyes?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what does that look like?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm, mm, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe like an eye roll, you know?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because let's say, you just, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at every turn, has she been for lack of a about term nagging him?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But guess what, none of that, none of that merit being called fuck you in front of everybody else and then here bathroom, calling her a fucking bitch, like on camera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nasty and nothing she did would merit that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was your reaction to seeing that play out?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this is gonna sound crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But going into the episode, Andy said that this is the worst episode for Kyle Cook and Summer House history.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So my bar was high.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was awful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was awful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I was left wondering.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Has Kyle cooked in worse on summer?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he had that, we're just, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're horrible, like, we'll walk away with that sentiment after seeing him say, fuck you to his wife and your stupid bitch, like, for me to think like, he's done worse, like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's really, you know, I mean, it's why we love Kyle Cook because he'll go, he'll go there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I hated it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what I hated most for Amanda was that she was so done fighting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She had no fight to give.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was like, I'll just put on a smile.
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[SPEAKER_04]: though his little old people birthday party tomorrow and that's all like and like that's what broke my heart was that he could speak to her that way and she had no fight left at her and she knows that it's not okay for him to speak to her that way I found West to be really endearing in that moment
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what you think about Ben, but Ben said something about like, she pushes his buttons and he reacts like, yeah, no, it's not the type of stuff, several seats, so yeah, but I was just, I was left, you know, with Andy's like high expectations going into it, I was like, okay, this is gonna be bad and it was bad, but I just, I don't know, Kyle is just such a man child and I can't really understand how
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[SPEAKER_04]: one operates in the way in which Kyle does, but he seems like he comes from a good family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do ultimately, it's crazy to say this too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle is ultimately a pretty good guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just a really bad person in this relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's, and he has treated her poorly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's been very selfish in this relationship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not what she deserves at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so sad to just see her take it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She just kind of is like, I'm going to brush her off for the take of the birthday party tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not worth bringing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You thought worth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Circling back on it tomorrow morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She tells multiple people this I think she's I think she's at this point pretty much past like
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[SPEAKER_01]: thinking this is what she deserves, but she definitely has thought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said, like, I used to think this is what I deserve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I essentially know now, this is not, but like, I can't do anything about it right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the on camera off camera thing is also a factor here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, you know, a lot of people have said this, but it's sort of like, all right, this is like what Kyle sang her on camera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he doing worse?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he sang worse off camera?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but that's a good possibility.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would imagine so, especially with Paul Frequently, he's going out DJing and like coming home at God knows what time and the other night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I would imagine, yeah, he's saying like much worse things at a higher volume and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was so wonder if there's like a little, like, I mean, it has been on the show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: almost as long as Kyle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If she's also aware of like the whole season can't be about the in Kyle so I'm just going to like move forward and pretend like carpet compartmentalizes and like not address it right now because we have other things we have a show we have no going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's another thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I'm like I wonder if there's a part for two where she's like we can't like suck up the entire plot line of the season and let me just move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is this factor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, with probably couples where it's like, if we break up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can become this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it still is sort of becoming this thing for her, where we've seen it happen time and time again for the past like three or four years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're seeing it honestly with secret lives and woman lives, see where that there's sort of this playbook to play into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that I do think there's a hesitance for her to play into that too, because I think she does ultimately like Kyle as a person, she just knows that she can't be in a relationship with him anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sierra is the one who really breaks the seal on this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it was really, I was in surprise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is here her say it, but it was also still shook when she was like on camera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they should separate like yeah verbatim saying that is that's a really big deal to say that on camera if you're in this group or there's definitely this probably understanding where it's like if you say that like that's that's out there you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's out there and I almost do agree with the sentiment that like maybe
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sierra had to be the one to say it first like I don't know if Amanda would have gone there if Sierra like Sierra almost had to do it
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's, yeah, she had to push her and like lead her to the water.
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[SPEAKER_04]: 100% it, I, I, I, yeah, I wasn't surprised, but it did lead me a gasp, hearing her say that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that, you know, I told Rachel this on our podcast, Sierra is having a standout season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, in love with her, want to be her friend.
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[SPEAKER_04]: trying to turn a hang.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think of aspect of that as we're seeing her really show up for her friends.
18:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I love her relationship with Mia and KJ, but also how she is supporting Amanda and her time of need.
18:37
[SPEAKER_04]: And I do think like sometimes you need to hear it.
18:41
[SPEAKER_04]: from someone else.
18:42
[SPEAKER_04]: And Amanda said, I don't know if it was the first of the second episode about how she would, she hears all the outside noise from people online.
18:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And like she's not sure if these are her genuine thoughts or not are someone else's.
18:54
[SPEAKER_04]: But like to hear it from someone that actually like knows you and knows your relationship is probably going to like cut through so much deeper than like the random people on the internet that just watched your life or like an edited version of your life.
19:08
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I'm happy.
19:10
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy Sarah said what we're all taking.
19:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And Jessie's idea of a marriage or a lot of times when Jessie's different reactions to that.
19:18
[SPEAKER_01]: That was really telling.
19:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, especially because Jessie's like, yeah, I'm ready for a relationship.
19:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, blah.
19:24
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, I loved when West was like, when have you ever seen them, like, and been like, I get it.
19:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And Jessie's like, when they dance, that's not, that's not it, dude.
19:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:36
[SPEAKER_01]: When they hug, when they hug, get that is a sign of a great marriage, just it is.
19:44
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, this tells me that you're not emotionally mature enough to have a relation to break.
19:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, Jesse and maybe West is, but he's just like physically not much like, like, looks spread as loins around in New York City, which go off King.
19:58
[SPEAKER_04]: So that is second.
20:01
[SPEAKER_04]: But I will say like, yeah, I thought,
20:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I see that's just thing about West too.
20:06
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, why is this such a like of a guy?
20:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think what he's done, what he did to Sierra years ago, like his slowly starting to like, you know, we're seeing a different side to him.
20:18
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, he's,
20:19
[SPEAKER_04]: the way he is on social media and things like he stands up for and stuff like that and he's very vocal about but also how he portrayed himself on the show and how respect will he is to the women and to his friends and stuff like that.
20:31
[SPEAKER_04]: So it did really like West and it he also is another person that seems like he has like his head on his shoulders and I'm glad that Amanda has West and Sierra.
20:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I loved seeing West stick up for Amanda directly to Kyle and he's going to watch happens live Like he wouldn't normally have done that, but like because he was literally standing right there when Kyle said fuck you to her He kind of just like felt like he had to Yeah, it's been so interesting watching this like thread of Amanda and West form this season because I feel like
21:05
[SPEAKER_01]: For the past two seasons before this, I don't think that their friendship or connection was ever anything like notable to me that I noticed at least, but like he's been there.
21:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been checking on her after various conversations at the dating event.
21:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember him sitting with her and he's really just genuinely been a really good friend to her.
21:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But obviously, like there's a lot of speculation that it's become more than that in real time.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a watcher happen five after the fact.
21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just gonna read you what he said.
21:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
21:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And he asked for his response to the specter to the rumors about her him and Amanda.
21:43
[SPEAKER_01]: She's single now and it's already happened to other people she's hung out with.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We were just hanging out in New York and I got to show her the streets.
21:50
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's not clear, it's a very important person to me, and then Andy and the other guests sort of pipe in, they're like, okay, but as she's your home girl, right?
21:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, that's my home girl.
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a friend.
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that's clear.
22:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, okay, I watched that live and I was like, okay, this is like,
22:09
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the West to be see on reunions at like really kind of fumbles the moment.
22:12
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times, I don't know what to say.
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: He should have been much more direct and clear about the fact that they are friends.
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I took him a while to get there.
22:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where he landed.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Objectively, but like I think him fumbling a lot with that answer has been and has not.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't fully shut down the speculation.
22:33
[SPEAKER_04]: No, so this, so I watched it too, but before I watched it, I saw a tweet that quoted it and reading the quote is like, what the world word salad are you saying?
22:46
[SPEAKER_04]: And then when I watched it, I was like, okay, he's saying, she's single now and it happens to everyone that she's with.
22:55
[SPEAKER_04]: So saying that anytime she's with another guy, there's speculation that she's dating them.
23:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, all right, fair.
23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, could have said that on Wednesday or was the first person people was speculated?
23:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that she was within.
23:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And I loved that she posted something with Jesse on Instagram.
23:13
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, just friends, but then in law, did a spotted Amanda and Jesse having a series conversation.
23:20
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, so, um,
23:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I understand that, but I was like, yes, like Wes, please be a little bit more clear.
23:28
[SPEAKER_04]: You've been on the show for three seasons now, like you know, clickbait, you know, what's going to get people going.
23:36
[SPEAKER_04]: You also work in media, like you know this last, like, be more definitive.
23:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't believe the rumors.
23:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I, I don't think he settled it, like, and squashed it completely, but I didn't need him to do that because, like, I just genuinely, you know, I think I know Amanda.
23:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think she would do that to Sierra.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the fact that I'm like, I mean, it was a good person.
23:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They're really genuinely good friends.
24:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I tell you the one thing that I saw before we started recording, I'm like, it has kind of made me spiral a little bit about it.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I just need to tell you, because I was, I'm firmly in that camp.
24:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think still, but,
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess Amazon live announced that Amanda and Sierra are going to be doing Amazon live together.
24:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: They announced it's like three weeks ago.
24:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess today or yesterday, they did two separate Amazon lives.
24:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for like, all these memories or something.
24:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so, it's like kind of like very sponsored posts on the stories kind of situation, but it was presented as them doing together a couple weeks ago and it happened separately.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's the only thing, really after West thing.
24:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this could just be us.
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Reading it to it.
24:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, maybe Sarah has a cold and she doesn't want to get anyone sick.
24:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally could be something totally different, but there's like all these little clues that people put together that are going to have ignored up until now, but
25:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it makes you think for sure.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just sort of like, okay, is there some crazy possibility that like Amanda and Westward Drunk on one of these days that they were he was showing her the streets?
25:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And they made out, and it's not anything more but Sierra's still mad about that.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a possibility line mind?
25:23
[SPEAKER_01]: That would like, break my heart.
25:24
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it would break my heart, because I still think it's something that Amanda wouldn't do.
25:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I hate, like, if this is where she gets broken up over West Wilson, like, I will, I will, yeah, it's really it's back every nice thing I said about it.
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I'm still in the camp of it, nothing has happened and it's just like total speculation and they're kind of being silly by not totally shutting it down directly, but yeah, you know, sometimes I spend a little bit too much time scrolling on Instagram on the fan accounts and we'll do it here.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We all start turning.
25:56
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's what sex about being chronically online about bravo is like,
26:01
[SPEAKER_04]: My mom watches these shows and she gets all the extra like color for me But like she just lives in like what's going on on TV screen I love that that that blissful experience I love that for your mom Yeah, she can just shut it off whatever I like for me.
26:18
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like I'm going to bed thinking about the Southern Charming Union and yeah, literally Sally Posi about Kyle Cook and if they're gonna hook up in Charleston like that's what goes
26:30
[SPEAKER_04]: He posts about his DJ set, like his tour.
26:34
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think he's doing a great job in Charleston.
26:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Sally.
26:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're talking about them, so.
26:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Sally Carson.
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Sally Carson.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for the show, ultimately.
26:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Messy, Messy Queen.
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: What where do you stand on specifically C.R.
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: and West though?
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the midsies and trailer promises like,
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: they're gonna at least like kiss or cuddle or something.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: There was like some dark footage of them in a bedroom.
26:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's another thing where it's like, it's very unclear what it is, but they're like, West does something and it... See, but that's what the girl in front of Sierra is.
27:07
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I, that's what I gather.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your read on it?
27:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, are you one of the people who is like, yep, give them other chance, get back as you clearly have chemistry, or you like don't come with other chance.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not worth it.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You're better than that.
27:18
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to see Sarah get dragged right any other man I'm bravo ever again like I want her if she wants to flirt with West, flirt with West for the summer and like that's it I want Sarah to be with a ball player or an actor or like extremely successful
27:34
[SPEAKER_04]: finance guy like someone with wealth and prominence in New York City that could like she deserves bigger than the bravo men.
27:43
[SPEAKER_04]: But for my viewing pleasure I do like watching them flirt the season on summer house.
27:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not shipping but like yeah this is fun.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah okay okay I appreciate that stance because I um I think the flirt it's so easy to see the chemistry in the flirting and be
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: What should have become, I think, initially, if you hadn't thought that back, but I totally am aligned also with, like.
28:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not want to see her ever to be embarrassed again.
28:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But now, on the show.
28:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, I think ultimately that's probably the safer bet.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just so easy to get roped in.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so easy for her to know.
28:21
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, oh my god, there's so cute.
28:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And like hearing West, how he talks about it, like when he was talking to Ben about it, I was like, there was so much more to this relationship that we just did not know or see which we shouldn't have was during the fall and all that stuff like so I loved that.
28:36
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I,
28:39
[SPEAKER_04]: I want bigger and better things for my girls here.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing that, I agree with your take on sears, season overall, I think that it's funny because when we have a breakup season, like this with kind of Amanda, which I don't think they actually will break up on Summer House, I think we'll see more about in the city.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: they might separate, I don't know.
29:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of assume, yeah, it's going to be a man to season.
29:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not not a man to season, but it's serious season ultimately, like the way that she is showing up for her, the way that she's showing up for herself, the way that she is having fun and more, I think page leaving the show is actually really good thing for her.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other aspect of that, which I have just loved watching, I mean, Mia is just such an incredible addition to the show overall, and they clearly have an existing actual friendship.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Mia is not like,
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: somebody's like, you know, see a friend who she met.
29:30
[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't like for that.
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is actually her friend.
29:32
[SPEAKER_04]: And a last season.
29:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they are like their friendship is so clear and over and fun to watch and supportive.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But then also watching them take KJ under their wing, like even just seeing them sit on that lawn while they're setting up for the party, like that little scene was so.
29:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, like watching them, their relationship form in real time is so special.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's so fantastic.
29:57
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so cool.
29:58
[SPEAKER_04]: It, I, you know, I'd miss Paige, but I hate to say, I do think she was holding the girls back a bit, with like, going, like seeing them go out more, like being more like involved and entrenched in the house and stuff like that.
30:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I, I really do enjoy them.
30:17
[SPEAKER_04]: And it, it's,
30:18
[SPEAKER_04]: It's also giving, like, I always felt like this house was really close to one another, but I feel even more so now that the closeness of the group.
30:28
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's fun to see, like even, I think it wasn't this past week's episode, but the week before.
30:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even think there was really any fighting or anything like that.
30:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just like them all having a good time, like when they were playing, like,
30:40
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, we're wrong and stuff like like I like like I don't need it there to be fights all the time.
30:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's nice to see them like actually enjoy one another and I like that we're getting that from from this group.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too.
30:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really talked to anybody on my shows about last week's episode.
30:58
[SPEAKER_01]: What was sort of your high level reaction to the conversation that they let at that dinner table.
31:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I really thought Sierra did a fantastic job of laying out how she feels in the space dating white men specifically on the show and on this platform and like what it means largely in the culture or the black culture and married to a white man.
31:22
[SPEAKER_04]: So like I'd completely understand and related to a lot of what she was saying.
31:26
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, it's unfortunate that a lot of her dating decisions get boiled down to like black and white when it shouldn't and I thought that the house had a really good job of listening and learning.
31:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of feel like West shut down a bit and that conversation when I wish I I expect I expected a little bit more from him in that moment, but.
31:53
[SPEAKER_04]: I overall was like an even Kyle like I appreciated him saying like yeah, I don't realize how my actions like going off and spewing like and having my like, you know, meltdowns like that does look different if it were KJ like in that sucks.
32:11
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, so like I appreciated that in that moment, they all like held space for them and let them articulate everything that they need to say and You know, it's my understanding at Abbott caught up on southern hospitality, but like a similar conversation happened on southern hospitality where you know,
32:30
[SPEAKER_04]: and me did the like tears again so it's just like it I'm glad that this house is a little bit further along with having immature and having these conversations and that honestly that's your thought comfortable enough to broach it with all of them because that's also a big thing like these are my people like they need to know how I feel and it's not always easy but I trust
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, totally.
32:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it really does speak to the level of confidence.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Sierra has gotten and built for herself through her time on this show.
33:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's been such like her trajectory on the show is so interesting and she's always been really open, but like,
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: watching her lead that yeah was really um i don't know if she would have done that two years ago or three years ago now and um i just think that she's she's learned so much and it was i read and little energy that she did i forget it's i think maybe the New York times it was sort of like a it wasn't a full profile but
33:30
[SPEAKER_01]: She called attention to the traders and her time on that show as being like really confident boosting for her.
33:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And I I'd like to know more about that because I'm kind of a throw away thing when I was like, oh, interesting like maybe being with other people on a show like
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: that something about it I guess helped her.
33:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like so many bravo labs walk away from the trader experience and like and and feel like better about themselves in a way where it's like they're on a show that doesn't feel like a gacha or that they're manipulating story to make you
34:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Look a certain way or feel a certain way type of a thing special with housewives Because I do think like every season of traders with a housewife on it I feel differently about the housewife than I did on their time on housewives and a positive way and I think it's because they're allowed to
34:21
[SPEAKER_04]: really like be who they are without the manipulation of, of trying to fit a story together.
34:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Totally.
34:29
[SPEAKER_04]: And that could be like, yeah, Sierra's experience where she's not like worried about how they're going to portray her in Boston Robb's alliance or whatever, right?
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.
34:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
34:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so much also like built an expectation now for her on summer house.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:47
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
34:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, I think we've covered most of the most of our bases on summer house.
34:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move over to Beverly Hills in actually to Italy where they are right now.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, here's the thing.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: This season that I'm really slow start and it still has those issues, but like, I think this Italy trip has been pretty great.
35:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I've been, I've been enjoying this Italy trip from that.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you feeling the same or are you feeling differently?
35:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's good.
35:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the Beverly Hills is it's just like beautiful things to look at.
35:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's just like it's just like it's shot really nicely.
35:23
[SPEAKER_04]: They honestly, right.
35:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I was really hooked it up with this Italy trip like the villa that they're staying in.
35:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't think of saying any better housewife trip accommodations.
35:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's it's amazing.
35:34
[SPEAKER_04]: The wealth.
35:36
[SPEAKER_04]: forth over like so it's like that's what Beverly Hills gives you.
35:41
[SPEAKER_04]: So even when there's nothing going on like at least you could like watch pretty people doing pretty things and that's what the season is giving.
35:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I enjoyed to me the highlights of the season so far was maybe the Hampton's trip but that also drives me a little long but like we got so much out of Rachel.
35:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Any of you honestly, any scene with Rachel, I love, especially with her family when she's talking about her before, like she is so candid.
36:07
[SPEAKER_04]: I have grown to appreciate Amanda and I don't know if it's because she just wakes up in their all mad at her and like I like that for like, I don't know, but I've I've grown to like a
36:19
[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy to me, like three, I mean, Dorita, oh, like not an OG at this point, but she's a vet.
36:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you should know by this time, like if you guys all gang up on one person, the audience is gonna side with the person, no matter how kuku the person is, like, you know, yeah, and Kyle knows that, so she's not planning on on a man that, like, you know, so I,
36:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand what their beef with her is.
36:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I get it.
36:44
[SPEAKER_04]: She's monotowned, she's woo-woo, but so is like half the woman in LA, like... Yeah, right, right.
36:53
[SPEAKER_04]: We could walk down, Beverly and Wilshire and like see a woman that has crystals and is manifesting her next husband.
37:01
[SPEAKER_04]: So...
37:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
37:04
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I've definitely gone to that same journey with Amanda where I appreciate her very much so without her I don't know what we would be talking about on this season and like what I want to be friends with her no like I wouldn't but like
37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: the way that she activates them is so needed and like the way they're trying to sort of like fit the square peg of her cult experience into a round hole isn't really working for me.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Sam, it's like it's very forced.
37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like oh she was in a cult.
37:38
[SPEAKER_01]: and she's been through tough things like she can deal with us and also she's starting to cult herself like the argument and like okay like I think we're missing some steps here you know and if you like it's a little bit of a deflection from like they actually have been treating her pretty badly and this whole booze Natalie mask Pinocchio thing that happened.
37:58
[SPEAKER_01]: actually that Amanda was right to be upset about that.
38:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's unfortunate she did not remember the particulars of the comment that she overheard because that ain't got really convoluted convoluted and nobody remembers it specifically but then like this Natalie woman who hasn't said one word the entire time she's she's given a storyline or like a moment on a silver platter and she completely fumbles the bag it's just yeah what what did you think about the mask thing?
38:24
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I had high hopes for Natalie when she came in talking about happy endings on her first group dinner.
38:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I thought this woman, this woman's a star like let's see more of her.
38:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I wish that she would have in the moment when when Kyle and Amanda kind of confront or asked her about it when they were shopping.
38:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Natalie should have just been like, I don't remember, but she's new to this.
38:51
[SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't understand that what she says is going to be brought back.
38:54
[SPEAKER_04]: And she should have just owned it in the moment of like, yes, I heard both say this.
38:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was a joke, but I could see how you may not think that.
39:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's the thing about these women.
39:06
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like anything they say could be said.
39:09
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a joke, but like telling someone that they're fake or a liar,
39:13
[SPEAKER_04]: They may not think that's funny and you have to be okay with that.
39:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
39:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if you're a man who like, I just been subdupped to a lot of comments about her.
39:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So far.
39:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
39:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And I.
39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like me, I didn't even watch it, but I feel like I may be saw that those posted video after this episode aired, like, apologizing to Amanda.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did she say?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She just said that she really didn't remember what she had said in the moment and that she takes full ownership for saying it and that she's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so she does like cop up to the fact that she said it and all of that, but it still
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And even to read, like, I've been loving an activated degree, but like, her getting upset with Kyle for Kyle taking up for Amanda, like, and and also, like, he said, it's like the ways the things that they're trying to pull.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think, what do I do it say of like, Kyle's just trying to make a man to be a good soldier for her or something like that?
40:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, no, I just think Kyle's tired of this story line just as much as we are at home and wants to move things along.
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And also like, what is this thing I'm going to do with you, Jerry, like, it's not like, like, she was doing backflips to make it relate back to her and kind of like, I'd read, it's like, no, like, this has nothing that you weren't even part of any of this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So like, when she stormed out of the conversation, I was like, where are you going?
40:39
[SPEAKER_04]: It's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Showing up late and then, leaving early,
40:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because this to read Kyle Erica thing is going to blow up this week.
40:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We've not seen tonight's episode we're reporting on Thursday, but like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're all kind of fed up with each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle at Doree for like acting your response with money and also the way she's talking about her divorce on camera, Doree with Kyle for even having an issue with that and talking about with other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Erica is getting really fed up with Doree always being late and just like kind of disrespectful to the rest of the group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you like finding yourself on a particular side of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you interested in that?
41:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how are you feeling about those three kind of coming to a head for them?
41:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're all a little bit right.
41:25
[SPEAKER_04]: And as far as sides, like I actually stand firmly with Eric Kajene this season, I don't know what it is about her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm back and back on the air of Kajene.
41:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know with you.
41:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's just so fun to watch.
41:39
[SPEAKER_04]: She's still dressed as fabulously.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's been very vulnerable and like tying us about stuff that has gone on in her life recently.
41:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, so I'm back on Erica's side on the Primo's part.
41:51
[SPEAKER_04]: With Kyle and Daryt, Kyle is right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Daryt should not be talking about her finances and her relationship and trashing PK on the show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However, Kyle should have this conversation with Daryt off camera and not on camera because it adds to the fodder and the fire for PK.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I understand Daryt being annoyed with Kyle in that way
42:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, yes, I'm talking about it, but now you're even like elevating it to like where it's like waving a flag for him to be aware of it type of a thing.
42:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the shopping part wouldn't have been a thing.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It like now there's your mother's zeroing on any time to read by's anything.
42:31
[SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of it.
42:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
42:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, like call me on the side.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm as we've probably done so many other times before and just like tell me off camera.
42:41
[SPEAKER_04]: So I understand your interest frustration there.
42:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I think to read, though, is just, I mean, to read can never be wrong.
42:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, at times, to read is very, um, Craig Connever asks where it's like, Sure.
42:54
[SPEAKER_04]: She will hold on to something and like, it will then turn into something else, and it, and it will never be her fault.
43:01
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's,
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[SPEAKER_04]: parts of Doreen where I just, it's hard to get on board with.
43:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think those are the things that Erica's seeing where it's like, you're being a little bit too self-destructed at for my liking.
43:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to be attached to that right now.
43:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I, even though it seems like Erica has come along way from the Tom Drarty of it all.
43:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, she still has this, like, what, $15 million loss too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, she still has heavy things looming over her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, like, I don't think she could afford a chaos agent in her life, and like, that's what Doreen's giving.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, like,
43:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I understand all of their frustrations and points with one another.
43:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Doree, I felt I was rooting for more last season than I am this season.
43:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just obviously like, I like, screw P.K.
43:45
[SPEAKER_04]: But I want, I don't know.
43:49
[SPEAKER_04]: There's something about Doree this season and I'm just like not champion championing as much as before.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she saw the great reaction to her being activated last season.
44:00
[SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of like dialed it up three notches.
44:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a little genuine.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also like it's interesting because I feel like Kyle and Erica have sort of taken similar approaches to their own.
44:13
[SPEAKER_01]: splits, and they're a little bit more careful with their words.
44:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say about how they talk about their X's and their situations, which are very different.
44:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I feel like Doreen Rachel Zoe have a more similar approach, which is like kind of burn them all down for their X.
44:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like things kind of like they're kind of just going all in.
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like they're kind of maybe also gassing each other up in that way, where it's like, oh yeah, fucking get his ass.
44:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think what the difference is with Rachel and Doree because they're both telling us everything about their exes.
44:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Rachel has the financial means to stand on her own, regardless of what Roger does.
44:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, Doree needs to play this a lot more carefully because as we learned on watch our happens like, her house is in forquit like they have not paid the mortgage in months and like Rachel's not in that position.
45:05
[SPEAKER_04]: So Rachel could like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: way to exhale, set it all on fire.
45:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Doree, it doesn't have that luxury, you know?
45:13
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good to see.
45:14
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's where I'm just like, like, stop.
45:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Doree, don't have that.
45:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Doree, don't have that.
45:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Doree, don't have that.
45:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Doree, don't have that.
45:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Doree, don't
45:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Just not happy for everything going on in your life, and I really appreciate you coming on very last minute to help me out.
45:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, again, I saw your text message and I was like, I want to make this work.
45:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And I so appreciate it.
45:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You got it.
45:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course morally corrupt.
45:55
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys cover pretty much all the shows correct and winter episodes coming out to the plugs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's how you work so much myself.
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