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Texas Snowman On Collector Investor Auctions & the New Podcast w/ @collectorinvestordealer ​ · Sports Card Clubhouse

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  Hey, everybody, it's Mike. I am joined today by the Texas
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  Snowman, Jeremy Johnson. How are you today, Jeremy?
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  Good man, how you doing buddy? Awesome.
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  It's great to have you on. And Full disclosure for anybody
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  who isn't aware, you are a sponsor of my channel, my
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  personal channel, Junk Wax Hero. Before I go, I know people will
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  get upset if I don't mention this and your business partner
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  Chris Sewell is a sponsor of another show on this channel,
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  but this this video is not sponsored by I'm genuinely very
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  interested in your business. This is normally this week in
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  sports cards episode, but there wasn't really a whole lot that
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  happened this week. So I was like, let's get Jeremy
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  on. Let's talk about not only
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  collector investor auctions, but you have a new podcast too.
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  Tell me about the podcast. Which is great, by the way.
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  Thank you. Yeah, it's Texas Snowman and
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  Crystal, in that order, of course of.
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  Course I heard that argument on episode 1.
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  That's right. That's right.
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  No, man, yeah, we, we've been talking about doing a podcast
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  for a couple months and we just decided it's like, let's just,
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  let's just do it, it's time. And we're like, OK, and what do
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  we want to talk about? And Chris is like, maybe we
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  we'll just wing it and we'll see.
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  We'll figure it out pretty quick.
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  I was like, OK, so we just started it and, you know, we
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  certainly have more of a agenda to talk about each time.
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  But the hilarious thing, to your point of what you just said, you
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  know, there's all this like epic news, massive news for the ages,
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  like just huge stuff. We start a podcast and it's like
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  radio silence news wise. It's like, OK, so there's no
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  news, but we're going to talk about this, man.
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  You know? Yeah, but, but, but really,
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  truly like we, we just, we just decided early on too, we don't
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  really want to be a news source necessarily, you know what I
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  mean? There's tons of great channels
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  for that. But we certainly do want to
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  touch on the hot topics of whatever's going on and just
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  talk about it, you know what I mean?
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  So yeah, but no, we love it, man.
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  It's super fun. We do it once a week it go.
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  We post on Tuesdays. It's super fun.
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  Love it. Yeah, it is.
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  It's a lot of fun. You guys have great rapport and
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  I love the branding. You know, you've got Chris
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  Sewell, Collector Investor dealer in that order.
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  And then your auction house is called Collector Investor
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  Auctions and then the podcast is Collector Investor Podcast.
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  So what's next? Is there like Collector Investor
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  TV show that? 'D be fun.
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  Well, there is also Collector Investor Live, which is which is
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  my Whatnot channel. So there's that.
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  I was not aware of that, yeah. Yeah, there's that too.
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  OK. And I'm sure more collector
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  investor things will come. The, the one big thing on the
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  horizon that's not going to be right now for sure is the CIA
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  vault. That's going to be fun.
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  That's going to be. Yeah, you talked about that on
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  Episode 1, right? And you thought it would be like
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  a year away maybe? Yeah, because you know, we
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  talked about it, right? Like to to invest in a
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  legitimate vault. It's not cheap at all.
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  Right. Plus insurance.
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  Plus insurance, right, So I, I don't want to, I don't want to
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  do that in a place that I don't own.
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  Like if I'm renting a, a building or a you know, I don't
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  want to do that if I'm renting it and when I move, when I leave
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  that place, OK, great, I got to leave this 6 figure vault behind
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  or whatever, you know what I mean.
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  So I think we would rather be really patient with that and buy
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  a building and then put the ball vault in and then, you know,
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  we're not going to have to throw away a ton of money when we move
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  out or something right. So that's probably what we're
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  going to wait and do, but we'll see.
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  We'll. See have you have you been to a
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  like a legitimate PSA vault or fanatics vault?
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  I have been, I haven't been to those vaults, but I have been to
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  legitimate card vaults, yes. Excuse me?
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  I always imagine them as being very well organized where they
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  can just quickly go in and grab cards as needed.
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  But then I think are those companies really that organized?
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  It feels like you can disrupt that pretty.
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  Not not easily, but relatively easily.
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  Absolutely, yeah. I I could see a lot of issues
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  happening with that if it's not well, well, well organized for
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  sure. Yeah, I'd have to be.
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  Yeah. So collector Investor Auctions,
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  as I've said many times, is it's, I have purchase from one
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  other auction house one time wasn't a bad experience, but it
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  wasn't a great experience. It was just kind of like I got
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  my, I got my item a couple weeks later.
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  They charged me immediately. But with collector Investor
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  auctions, it's a fantastic experience every time.
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  And you know, when I buy, you ship it the next day.
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  I've got my tracking number the day after the auction closes
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  when I can sign with you. I received my money in my
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  account the day after the auction closes.
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  How does that come about? Are you the only auction house
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  that does that? I don't know if I'm the only
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  one. I know I'm one of the very few
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  if maybe the only that does that way.
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  But Full disclosure, I, you know, when you have 200 and when
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  you have well over 200 people that win an item in an auction,
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  If, if, if 150 people pay right away, unfortunately, there might
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  be people that don't get the shipment the next day after
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  auction ends. It might be the Tuesday, it
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  might be like that next day or something.
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  But in general, to your point, our goal is if you pay and it's
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  a payment type where we don't have to wait for it to clear,
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  man, we want to, we want to get it out same day or within 24
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  hours every single time if humanly possible.
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  So we work very hard to do that. And in the vast majority of the
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  time we do do that. And as far as paying consignors,
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  you know, when, when we started CIA, Chris and I had countless
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  hours of meetings. And one of the things we talked
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  about was what do we like about auction houses?
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  What do we not like about auction houses and let's do
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  everything we like and other people like.
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  We asked a bunch of people, Hey, what do you what do you like and
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  not like? And then so let's take
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  everything that's good and do it and eggs nay or fix everything
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  that's bad and just make it awesome.
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  How do we do that? So one of the major points that
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  basically everybody told me that it consigned is the wait time to
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  get paid is not fun. Yeah.
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  So, so we decided that we would just pay our consignors and
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  worst case scenario, if the buyer doesn't pay, then we're
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  stuck with the bill, not them. They don't have to wait another
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  month to get paid out. Because I would find that to be
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  very inconvenient if that happened to me, especially if
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  it's a big card and especially if it's a big card and I waited
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  for a big auction that happens quarterly, man, that's a, that's
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  a major blow. I got to wait a quarter of a
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  year now to sell that card. You know what a, what a bummer
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  that is. So, so we just decided, look,
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  it, it's worth it if we just pay the consignor.
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  And if the bidder doesn't pay, then, then we'll, we'll deal
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  with the punches there. But, but we would, we would
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  rather take that responsibility than the consignor.
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  So that's what we do. And, and generally very rarely
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  does a consignor not pay. But if they don't, then we could
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  either A offer it to the second highest bidder or we could just
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  own, we just own the card and we'll sell it six months later
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  in CIA. We have a six month policy.
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  You can't relist it in CIA for six months.
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  Or we'll just send it to a third party and sell it that way to
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  recoup the money. And hopefully it wasn't some
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  kind of insanely high sale that we're stuck with or something,
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  you know, but, but the, The only exception to that really is if
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  it's a new bidder, he's never been before and he wins the
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  bigger item, probably going to wait till that person pays
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  before I pay the consignor. But on a big card, if it's, if
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  it's a smaller card, I'll just pay him.
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  And you know, that's fine. But you know, somebody wins a
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  $20,000 card and a new bidder probably going to be in touch
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  with that bidder if they don't pay within, you know, the X
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  amount of time and and wait to pay them.
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  But I would try my very best to not make them wait more than
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  like 4 business days, five business days, yeah.
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  Yeah, you mentioned $20,000 car the Rodman, was it APMG it?
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  Was. 21,000 last month. 1998 Precious Metal Gym Rodman back
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  at 8 1/2. Yeah, it's great card.
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  Yeah. What's the biggest sale you've
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  had in an auction? Biggest sales 89,000.
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  What card was it? 52 tops.
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  Mickey Mantle, PSA 4. Never heard of him.
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  Yeah, good soccer player. Great.
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  OK, So what I found interesting and I'm going to share my screen
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  here and I'm apologizing to anybody listening to this on
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  podcast. I will do my best to describe
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  this as well as I can, but in the upcoming auction, which I am
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  now showing you have So last time you had a Rodman PMG is lot
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  #1 and this time you have a lot of junk wax.
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  It's it's like somebody's amazing junk wax era collection
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  of high end, high grade cards. Is that accurate?
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  This is not ordered yet to the order it's going to be yeah,
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  yeah. So, so we so yeah, so we, we
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  figured we would just, we would just leave it as they've been
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  listed for a while and I'm going to reorder it later this week.
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  Yeah. So, so by by the end of the
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  weekend, it'll be in the in the lot order that it'll largely be.
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  And we're still listing like because of the weather and stuff
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  we didn't have, nobody could come to office for two, almost
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  three days. So we're still listing stuff for
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  the auction. So we'll be listing up until
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  probably day before auction goes live for bidding.
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  So things will change and everything.
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  So we just figured, ah, we'll just leave it for now, but we'll
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  change it. So this will not be the premium
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  lot space order that you see currently.
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  Gotcha. Yeah, so I mean, this is my jam.
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  You know, you've got some awesome stuff, some Desert
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  Shield cards of of all time greats, a lot of the rarer junk
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  wax era cards. And I saw I was just scrolling
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  through going this is awesome. So it's that makes sense,
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  though, that those aren't the the featured cards for for
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  February. I'm not consigning any cards for
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  February but I am for March and I will be talking about these on
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  a on some upcoming videos. But I made a mistake with a
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  purchase that I made in January. I accidentally bought 2 of them.
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  Completely my fault. And so I could not cancel the
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  the company that was selling one of them and refused to cancel
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  for whatever reason even though they hadn't shipped it out.
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  And so I'm going to consign it through CIA to sell it.
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  And then I have some Otani's that I decided to sell and so
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  I'm going to consign those as well for the March auction.
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  I'm going to get those out in the next well, once I get the
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  the other one in the mail, I'm going to send them all out to
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  you guys. Sweet.
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  Sweet, appreciate it. Yeah, one of the smartest things
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  you guys did, and I think it's it's a little underrated.
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  But for me, as a new consignor, somebody who had never consigned
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  to an auction house before, really underrated move you made
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  was hiring Theo Clemente, collector, even though he's
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  texting me right now about how Bill Belichick doesn't deserve
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  to be in the Hall of Fame. Which is he?
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  Wow. We'll have to talk about that,
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  OK. I think hiring him has been was
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  an an amazing move for you for the auction house because he's
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  he is so good at just easing the mind of consigners and buyers
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  and saying I'll help you what how can I help?
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  What can I do? And it makes it so much easier.
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  Absolutely. So I have, I have not had a
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  single thing said that I, I had to talk to Theo about in even in
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  like constructive ways really. I mean, there was a couple of
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  minor things, but it was just like, hey, here's a way we could
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  do that even better, even though you did awesome, you know what
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  I'm saying? Like he's been fantastic the
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  entire time. And I'll, I'll be honest, like
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  when when we hired him, we had high expectations, but he's
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  definitely exceeded those expectations.
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  I mean, just, he's just on it. He's just one of those guys.
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  You don't have to make sure he did his job.
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  It's like, wow, you did your job and then that too, that good
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  job, you know, and all the people that he's talked to have
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  just been like, dude, thank you so much for having Theo take
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  care of my consignment. I, I couldn't be happier with
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  how I was treated. I felt like royalty.
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  It was just awesome. Thank you so much.
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  I mean, everything I needed to know before I even asked it,
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  Theo answered and he's been in touch with me throughout the
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  entire process and I get emails when my stuff's listed.
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  It's just great. And I don't have to guess where
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  my stuff is. So yeah, I'm just really happy
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  with Theo too. He's and he's a good dude.
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  And I like Theo. He's cool.
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  Yeah, he's all right. He's all right.
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  So then you have he and Greg do an auction close live stream on
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  the night of. I I got to be honest, if you
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  don't already know this about me, I don't stay up late.
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  I'm usually asleep by nine, 9:30-ish for the night, but I
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  will stay up and watch that. It's it's really fun.
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  It's interesting. And I think that just the whole,
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  the whole thing is much more friendly than any other auction
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  house that that I'm aware of. There's you have a face of the
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  auction house, which I always talk about in terms of
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  marketing. You have so SGC, when SGC was
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  run by Peter Steinberg, he was in the face of the company and
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  he was out there, He was posting videos, he's posting things on
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  Instagram. And that was important
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  collectors like that. And there isn't that at PSA or
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  Beckett, although Beckett's trying to now.
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  And I don't really see face of the auction houses much except
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  with collector investor auctions.
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  And to me, it's such a very small thing, like you could
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  spend 10 minutes a week putting out a little video or podcast in
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  your case that talks about what's on the what's what we
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  have going on with the auction house.
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  And it gives people a more familiar feeling, easier to
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  consign with, easier to buy with when you know who's behind the
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  auction house. Good point.
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  Yeah, absolutely. You feel, you feel like, you
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  know you're going to be in good hands.
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  Even if somebody doesn't know, like the Texas Snowman or Theo
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  or Chris or, you know, any of our other team, David Shrek,
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  they, they start to watch you on the, on your social media or
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  your marketing campaigns, whatever you're doing.
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  They feel like they can, can get to know you or like, man, that
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  guy seems really trust, trustworthy or likable or, you
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  know, I, I, I certainly, I feel a lot more comfortable after I
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  saw him say something about it, you know, something like that,
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  right. So, yeah, I agree.
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  If you can see, if you can see more who's involved with it and
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  just get to know them as a person, I think that's super
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  huge. Yeah, absolutely.
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  That's important. Yeah, yeah.
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  So what do you have? What's what does A big card
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  coming up in the February auction.
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  So if you if you wanted to, you could even just go to the search
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  menu and type in LeBron. But I would say one of my
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  favorite ones is a tops Chrome black refractor LeBron Beckett
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  9. And this isn't this isn't the
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  one that Chris Sewell owned. No, because that wasn't Was that
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  black? It it it is black, but his is
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  APSA 9, so this is not the same card.
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  Yeah, this is a Beckett 9. Oh yeah, now I see.
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  So I'm just gonna on the right there, right?
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  Are you see that screen? Yep, Yep, that's it.
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  Yeah, so that is the for anybody listening on the podcast, 2003
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  tops, Chrome black refractor number to 500 and a B GS9.
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  He looks so sick in black. Man, I love that.
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  Yeah, and I remember Chris doing a video about that card, his PSA
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  9, and he said that at one point it it got up $80,000 and he just
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  he hung on to it. Yeah.
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  You want to hear the back story on that?
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  Love to. OK.
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  So at that time he lived in the Netherlands at that time, right?
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  So we're on the phone and, and when he was in the Netherlands,
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  we didn't talk near as often, right?
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  Like we talked, we used to, We, we would talk daily or multiple
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  times a week, every week for a decade, you know, and for the
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  vast majority of the time that was the case.
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  And when, when he moved to the Netherlands, it, it, it became
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  much, much less, of course, because he's international time
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  differences, you know, stuff like that.
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  But, you know, so we would, we would still definitely keep in
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  touch, but we didn't talk very often.
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  So we're on the phone and we're literally talking about how
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  crazy the COVID hikes are. And it's right during that time,
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  like, you know, 20/21/2020 ish, you know, right around that
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  peak. And we're talking and I bring up
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  a crazy LeBron sale that I saw and he's like, no way.
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  And I was like, yeah. And he's like that, that I
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  remember that he had bought that black refractor, I think for
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  like $800. Yeah, yeah.
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  And we were talking about it when he got that black refractor
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  too. I was helping him find a couple
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  of cards that he wanted anyway, So yeah.
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  And, and at that time it was even a strong price at $800.
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  Like I remember him almost not buying it for 800 bucks, right.
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  So he did, which is great. But we're talking, and I, I
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  forget the exact numbers, but something like 80 K, it went up
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  to or something crazy. And you know, now it's probably,
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  I would guess mid 30s. I guess the PSA 9 is probably
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  mid 30s, maybe high 30s, maybe low 40s.
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  But you know, it's, it's not certainly not 80, but it's also
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  not 800, right? But anyways, I was like, dude,
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  you got to sell that card. And he's like, oh, yeah, that
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  maybe, I don't know, but he probably would have had he been
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  in the States. But because he was in the
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  Netherlands and his card was here, I think that's the main
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  reason why he didn't sell the card really, because that price
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  was insanity. I mean 80,000 ish or whatever it
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  went up to it was, it was crazy high.
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  So I think it's because he was in the Netherlands is why he
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  didn't sell it. And by the time he got back, it
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  had come down some. And he's like, I'll just, I'll
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  just hold it. And he still has the card and
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  he's happy to have the card, but.
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  Yeah, of course. Do you think that we are in
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  another COVID like bubble, Not not exactly the same because
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  everything went up, but do you think that the iconic card
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  bubble that we're in right now, well is it a bubble I guess is
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  the better? Question, man, that is the
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  question of the hour, decade, year.
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  Yeah, really good question. I don't think anybody really
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  knows right, what it's going to be.
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  I do believe this, though. I believe that the COVID
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  absolutely had to be a bubble. Stuff went up way too fast, way
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  too high, ridiculously high. I mean, a card that I had sold
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  12 months, 12 months prior for $1000 was now $50,000, you know,
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  and it was just insanity. Some of these things, you know,
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  Jordan rookies going from. 2325 thousand and APSA 10 to 750,000
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  and APSA 10 and then six and then five and then four and now
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  they're probably around 202225K250 somewhere in that
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  ballpark, right. So it was just pure insanity.
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  So I think that it is, you could loosely can call it a bubble,
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  but I don't, I don't think it's going to be anything like what
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  the COVID bubble was because that was just, it had to have a
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  market correction. You know, it had to, it was just
• 20:41
  way too much of A hike, way too fast and the market couldn't
• 20:45
  sustain it. I think there's way more people
• 20:48
  than there were involved at that time now, and it can sustain it
• 20:53
  more. And I think the prices are
• 20:56
  adjusting to what the market is willing to do over a longer
• 21:00
  period of time, not just in a very short period of time that
• 21:03
  it has to correct itself. So I don't think we're in a
• 21:06
  bubble anything near as like severely crazy, crazy, wild as
• 21:12
  the the COVID bubble was. Will it come down some?
• 21:17
  I think, I think certain things may come down some, yes.
• 21:20
  I think other things will hold or even maybe go up some.
• 21:24
  And largely that's more of your less volatile investments like
• 21:30
  vintage and junk era that's solid junk era stuff and you
• 21:34
  know 2000 stuff like that versus your ultra modern stuff is
• 21:38
  extremely volatile and they keep making more and more.
• 21:41
  So I could see that coming down more than anything else I would
• 21:46
  say. Yeah, I watched Chris Sewell's
• 21:49
  video this morning where he talked about Mike Trout.
• 21:51
  I don't know if you've had a chance to.
• 21:52
  Oh man. No, I haven't watched it, but I
• 21:54
  know. Where you're going, it's so
• 21:56
  good. The Mike Trout collection from 4
• 21:59
  plus years ago, he, he did a video on and he went back and
• 22:03
  looked at it, it had plummeted the value of that collection and
• 22:06
  plummeted like 90% or more. And then he at the end, and I've
• 22:10
  been sitting here for weeks thinking I should sell off a
• 22:13
  couple of my Otani rookies because the, the value of them
• 22:17
  has skyrocketed by 5X in a year. And at the end of it, he said,
• 22:23
  you know, this is kind of like Shohei Ohtani.
• 22:25
  And he said, I'm not saying Shohei Ohtani cards are going to
• 22:28
  go down in value, but we're saying the same things about
• 22:31
  Shohei that we were saying about Trout five years ago.
• 22:35
  And that solidified it for me. That made me see, OK, I'm going
• 22:39
  to I'm going to sell off three of my 4 show.
• 22:42
  Hey, rookies, because I'm, I'm a 1 rookie guy.
• 22:44
  I only need one of your rookie cards.
• 22:46
  Oh. Interesting, I didn't know.
• 22:47
  That happy and I usually want them autographed but I'll never
• 22:50
  have a show. Hey, rookie autograph.
• 22:51
  Because they're insane. Well, we'll, we'll talk to Chris
• 22:55
  about getting that for your birthday.
• 22:58
  Perfect. Thank you.
• 23:00
  But yeah, I think selling off three of the four I'll be, I'll
• 23:05
  be happy to get that money back and then be able to spend it on
• 23:09
  other things that continue to improve my collection.
• 23:14
  Awesome. So so I didn't know that about
• 23:17
  you, by the way, that you're a 1 rookie card kind of guy.
• 23:19
  I I think that's cool. I think that's cool, but I
• 23:21
  didn't know that that's interesting.
• 23:23
  So one thought on that that I find to be very interesting.
• 23:28
  It's very interesting to me. Mike Trout was arguably the best
• 23:31
  player for 10 years in baseball. Right.
• 23:33
  Yeah, he was #1 or #2 in MVP voting every year.
• 23:37
  He was the best player in baseball basically every year
• 23:40
  for a decade. Look at his prices.
• 23:42
  To your point, what they've done, right?
• 23:44
  So Ohtani now the backing up, it's because it's like, Oh my
• 23:49
  gosh, how good is he going to be in the history books?
• 23:52
  OK, so Fast forward, best player for a decade, arguably in
• 23:56
  baseball. That's awesome, right?
• 23:59
  He should be a very high, high price comparatively to other
• 24:03
  players, but OK, now he's got these back injuries.
• 24:06
  He gets hurt every year. Every year is that his overall
• 24:09
  annual stats are hurt because he missed X amount of games and
• 24:14
  it's apparent that his body is going to probably continue being
• 24:17
  hurt every year. And that's exactly what
• 24:19
  happened. He gets a back injury.
• 24:21
  He has some other kind of injury.
• 24:22
  He can't play. Now his cards start to go down
• 24:25
  because people look at the long term war and the long term stats
• 24:29
  he's going to have are going to be hurt to where he's not going
• 24:33
  to get to a certain level they thought he could get AT.
• 24:35
  And we're talking like generational type levels.
• 24:38
  That's going to put him at an insanely high price point
• 24:40
  forever type of a thing. So his prize, his prices don't
• 24:44
  go down, they plummet to your point.
• 24:46
  So let's look at Otani. The difference in Trout and
• 24:49
  Otani is Otani's truly doing something that nobody's really
• 24:52
  ever done since Babe Ruth, and that's pitching and hitting and
• 24:55
  being good at both, great at both, you know, you know, so, so
• 25:00
  that's epically amazing what Otani's doing.
• 25:03
  But what if Otani starts having injuries every year?
• 25:07
  What if he gets caught gambling and it's really him?
• 25:12
  Let's just say, what if something happens, right?
• 25:16
  We don't know what's going to happen.
• 25:17
  That's an awful high bar to hope is going to go up in the next 10
• 25:22
  years from now. And it's going to be the same or
• 25:23
  higher, it may be and it may be 4X or 10X what it is today in 10
• 25:27
  years. But it could be a Trout
• 25:29
  situation too. So for me personally, if I am
• 25:33
  going to invest in Otani's, I'm going to invest.
• 25:37
  I'm going to hedge my bets in other cards and other players
• 25:39
  too. I'm not going to just put all my
• 25:41
  eggs in Otani for sure. You know what I mean?
• 25:43
  So it's a risky, it's a risky thing.
• 25:45
  But that makes you really wonder, look at the Trout
• 25:48
  example. Will that happen with Otani?
• 25:51
  And everybody said no, dude, Trout, man, you got to invest in
• 25:54
  Trout. It's going to go up to your
• 25:55
  point. Every everybody I knew was
• 25:57
  saying that anyway. Yeah, the difference I think in
• 26:00
  addition obviously to the pitching is that Ohtani did
• 26:04
  something that Trout refused to do, which was leave the pathetic
• 26:08
  Angels organization. Sorry to any Angels fans out
• 26:11
  there, but they are bad and Mike Trout has been loyal to them for
• 26:14
  no reason, for no good reason. Anyway, hopefully he's being
• 26:17
  loyal to the fans and not the organization cause the
• 26:20
  organization would cut him in a minute if they could or needed
• 26:24
  to. But Otani left for the Dodgers.
• 26:29
  He has been the best player on World Series winning team two
• 26:33
  years in a row. Is it 2 right?
• 26:36
  Yeah. He's won all these MVPS.
• 26:39
  He's come close to Cy Young's and I think he'll be back as a
• 26:42
  full time pitcher again soon, hopefully.
• 26:46
  So that's the difference. And plus the Otani market is
• 26:50
  much bigger. It's global.
• 26:51
  The Trout market probably isn't nearly as global as Otani's ever
• 26:55
  was. Just think if he won the Cy
• 26:59
  Young and a batting title. Or Cy Young and MVP at the same
• 27:03
  time. Oh my gosh, like my mind would
• 27:06
  explode like be mind blown if that happened.
• 27:09
  I mean how insane is that? He's already got, I think it's
• 27:12
  safe to say the greatest game in baseball history.
• 27:15
  Yes, that game was amazing. I mean my gosh.
• 27:18
  So who knows what he's going to do.
• 27:20
  I will say this, if there's a player that would be a pretty
• 27:24
  good bet to bet on, it's hard to argue with our Ohtani, right?
• 27:29
  It's hard to argue with that. But but it is very scary of what
• 27:32
  could happen 10 years from now, five years from now, 15 years
• 27:35
  from now, two years from now, you know, who knows?
• 27:38
  But he he is truly a special player, man.
• 27:40
  It's it's fun to watch him play. It really is.
• 27:45
  I'm a huge Shohei fan. Yeah.
• 27:48
  It's It's a fun time to be a baseball fan, even if you hate
• 27:51
  the Dodgers, which everybody does, I think, right.
• 27:55
  They have such a fun group of players.
• 27:57
  I like Freddie Freeman, I like Mookie Betts, I love Shohei, but
• 28:02
  all these guys are just fun to cheer for.
• 28:04
  They're they're seem like good ambassadors of the game since,
• 28:10
  you know, it's just the evil empire type of situation.
• 28:14
  Right. Yeah, dude, I, I love Freddie
• 28:16
  Freeman, man. I it's just a fantastic person
• 28:20
  and a great baseball player. Yeah, I like Freddie.
• 28:23
  I like Freddie. And the World Series heroics
• 28:26
  from Freeman is a blast. Yeah, I I actually watched a
• 28:29
  short like interview with them about when because he usually
• 28:32
  doesn't show like, you know, he wasn't showboating, but he
• 28:34
  usually doesn't really do anything when he hits home run.
• 28:36
  He just runs the bases, you know, very humbly.
• 28:39
  And he's like when he hit it, he just kind of blacked out and
• 28:41
  he's like, you know, throws his bat down and just super stoked
• 28:46
  and on the way. He's he's his family and the
• 28:49
  proud and everything. And it was just a very special
• 28:51
  moment. And you know it, it was fun to
• 28:53
  watch that the behind the scenes as a person, you know what that
• 28:57
  meant to him and his family and his dad's like, wow, my son just
• 29:00
  hit a hit, a hit a hit a hit a Homer in the World Series.
• 29:03
  So it was walk off Grand Slam, wasn't it?
• 29:05
  Walk. Off.
• 29:05
  I think so, yeah. In the World Series, my gosh,
• 29:08
  that was my son that did that. And they were all, you know,
• 29:10
  emotional and stuff. It was, it was.
• 29:11
  I love stuff like that. I love to see the person behind
• 29:15
  the player, if you will. Yeah.
• 29:17
  For sure one last thing I wanted to mention I'm going to share my
• 29:22
  screen again. I'm going to last month you had
• 29:31
  a card that I think if somebody's smart, oh where is it
• 29:37
  there it is so I've I bid on the 1935 Marathi Jesse Owens.
• 29:43
  I did not come close but that I. Didn't know you did that.
• 29:48
  Interesting. I did, yeah.
• 29:50
  I think my Max bid was like 1500, which I knew wasn't going
• 29:53
  to get it done. But that card in that condition
• 30:00
  is unbelievable. And I'm I'm not AII don't think
• 30:05
  a lot about that. I want to buy the card, put in
• 30:07
  my collection forever and I I don't think a lot about the
• 30:11
  value. But when I was looking at that
• 30:13
  and that in a Beckett 6.5 BVG 6.5, you know, they, the seller
• 30:20
  got a good price for it. But in APSA 6, I think it's
• 30:24
  worth like 7 or 8000 if I remember correctly.
• 30:28
  And so I'm not suggesting that they crack it and cross it or do
• 30:32
  anything like that. But that card, let me let me
• 30:36
  make it bigger here. It looks gorgeous.
• 30:38
  Yeah, it is. It's a nice looking card.
• 30:41
  Shockingly, it's almost perfect. This.
• 30:46
  This is the card you've heard of iappeal.com.
• 30:51
  Yeah, this is the card. This is like the perfect card to
• 30:53
  post on iappeal.com because it's a 6.5 but looks like it should
• 30:57
  be a Nine or A10. Yeah, it's nice, man.
• 31:01
  It's nice. It's very nice.
• 31:02
  I I think it had it's one of those cards.
• 31:05
  It is absolutely gorgeous and would it would it cross to A7
• 31:11
  honestly, I I6 or something like that, I could absolutely see it
• 31:16
  be having a chance of doing so. Yeah, I could.
• 31:19
  I could see it having a chance of doing so.
• 31:22
  Yeah. And I didn't see anything.
• 31:25
  Looks like there's a little bit of a Whiting on the back, but it
• 31:27
  doesn't look like paper loss. So I don't know.
• 31:30
  I. Can't remember honestly if
• 31:31
  that's just a glare on the picture, which we're we don't
• 31:35
  like, or if that's part of the card.
• 31:37
  But I I think it had one tiny like touch on a corner.
• 31:41
  But would that keep it out of a six category?
• 31:44
  Honestly, maybe not and maybe not even 7 because it was really
• 31:47
  minor. So but yeah, the IT is a
• 31:49
  gorgeous card. It's one of those cards that
• 31:50
  they they seem to be very aggressive against, you know,
• 31:55
  very aggressive, just like the photo pack cards.
• 31:57
  They're very thin and it looks like a 7 and they'll give it a 2
• 32:01
  or a three, not exaggerating. I've sold some and I'm looking
• 32:04
  at it. I'm like, gosh, a three.
• 32:05
  This thing's like a 7, maybe an 8.
• 32:08
  I can't blame this for whatever reason, they're just so hard on
• 32:11
  on those cards and it it seems like they're harder on the
• 32:14
  Marathis for some reason. But maybe it's just I've had a
• 32:17
  string of really nice ones for the eye appeal.
• 32:19
  I don't know. But well, thanks for bidding on
• 32:23
  it and good luck on the on the next one.
• 32:26
  I have APSA 7 but I don't know if I want to sell the PSA 7 but
• 32:32
  if I do it'll go in CIA. Nice.
• 32:35
  Yeah, I'm a I'm like APSA 1.5. That's my budget.
• 32:38
  That's what I'm looking for from that card.
• 32:40
  Yeah, it's it's a dream card. It, it's, it's, it's an awesome
• 32:47
  card that honestly, I, I, I think that's a very special
• 32:53
  card. It was the year before the
• 32:54
  Olympics, right? And to to the eyes of the
• 33:00
  beholder is the beauty in the card, right?
• 33:03
  Most people that would look at that card, especially modern
• 33:05
  guys, be like that might be the single ugliest card I've ever
• 33:08
  seen in my life. Right.
• 33:10
  But but I think it's absolutely gorgeous.
• 33:14
  I love it. It's awesome.
• 33:15
  Why? Because of what it is and the
• 33:17
  nostalgia and who's on the card. It's just a great card.
• 33:21
  I love that card. Yeah.
• 33:23
  Well, Jeremy, before we wrap up, anything you'd like to say about
• 33:27
  the auction house, the podcast, anything like that?
• 33:32
  I just want to say how thankful I am for all the viewers and
• 33:36
  bidders and consigners and, and partners that we have and thank
• 33:41
  you as well. And I'm just, I'm just
• 33:43
  incredibly grateful, man. I, I get, I get several
• 33:47
  wonderful emails just saying how much they, they love what we're
• 33:50
  doing and keep it up and encouraging us.
• 33:52
  And I, that just means a tremendous amount to me.
• 33:55
  So I, I appreciate the support so very much.
• 33:59
  And, and, and, and I think a, a big reason why we started the
• 34:02
  podcast is because we wanted people to get to know us better,
• 34:06
  more personably, and we wanted to get to know more people
• 34:09
  better too. And one of the main things that
• 34:12
  we said when we were going to do the podcast is we want to reply
• 34:15
  to comments, whether they e-mail us or they comment in there.
• 34:18
  We want that to be a section of basically every episode where
• 34:22
  we're gonna answer viewer questions.
• 34:25
  If not every single episode, most every single episode we we
• 34:28
  want to interact with people. So that was a big reason why we
• 34:31
  did it. And I'm glad we did.
• 34:32
  And it's been a lot of fun. Important to note who was the
• 34:35
  first subscriber and commenter on the podcast.
• 34:39
  You know that's open for a debate, man.
• 34:42
  I don't think so, honestly. Honestly, was it you?
• 34:45
  Were you the? Were you the first one?
• 34:47
  Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure there were 0 subscribers and there
• 34:52
  were no comments. And you put subscribe when there
• 34:55
  was 0. And I am entering it into the
• 34:58
  record that I was the 1st. OK, we, we, we could, we could
• 35:02
  make that official that you are the first subscriber.
• 35:05
  I can tell you this. I know when I went on there,
• 35:07
  there was 8 subscribers and you were one of them and you had
• 35:11
  commented. So the, the, the evidence seems
• 35:14
  likely that you are the first subscriber to the podcast.
• 35:18
  Congratulations. And what a what an awesome first
• 35:21
  one to be the subscriber, man. Heck yeah.
• 35:23
  Yeah. So I hope to see you at the
• 35:26
  National again. Will you be at Strongsville or
• 35:28
  Independenceville, whatever calling it?
• 35:32
  I hope so. OK.
• 35:34
  I'll be there for. I'll be there for like a day and
• 35:37
  a half, OK? I really I'm really trying to
• 35:40
  go. I'm really trying to go.
• 35:41
  Yeah, hope to see with the National, but not in as cramped
• 35:44
  a space as your table was last year.
• 35:47
  We we, we could have a show just talking about crazy stories from
• 35:51
  people talking to me about trying to get to my.
• 35:53
  Booth it's It was terrible. Yes, yes, shockingly bad.
• 35:59
  How they set that up? Yes, yes.
• 36:02
  So that's when we went to go get our tables for next year, you
• 36:05
  know, because they do that during the show at the in the
• 36:07
  mornings. They were like twice they said
• 36:09
  it. We're aware of the space issue.
• 36:11
  It will be fixed next year. Our apologies, don't worry,
• 36:14
  because they knew that 50 dealers were going to chew into
• 36:17
  them pretty good. And I was like, oh, I don't want
• 36:19
  to say anything, It's my first national setting up.
• 36:21
  I'm just going to let other people say stuff.
• 36:23
  But yeah, it was a really big problem, you know, but one quick
• 36:27
  good thing on that. If I May 11 gentleman said that
• 36:32
  he had went up there to see me and he saw the crowd and he kind
• 36:36
  of like his jaw dropped and he's like, I don't know if I can do
• 36:40
  this. And he turned around and he got
• 36:42
  to the door to leave the leave the upstairs section.
• 36:44
  He's like, no, I will see the snowman.
• 36:48
  I'm going see the Texas snowman and say what's up and give him
• 36:51
  cards and a high 5. So he he said he literally
• 36:55
  elbowed his way. He was throwing bows, man, going
• 36:58
  through the crowd and made it to my table.
• 37:02
  And he he was almost like, I remember it because he was kind
• 37:05
  of breathing slightly heavily because he was sitting there
• 37:07
  trying to, you know, duck and weave, getting through people.
• 37:09
  And like, so if somebody turns to the side to look at a table,
• 37:12
  they hit you in the face or arm with their backpack and like,
• 37:15
  it's like, I'm assaulted, you know?
• 37:17
  So anyways, he made it and he's like, dude, you have no idea
• 37:19
  what it took for me to get to your table.
• 37:21
  And I was like, thank you for persevering, man.
• 37:24
  I know. Yeah, it was.
• 37:27
  Oh man. It was wild, wild.
• 37:28
  I asked you where? Another deal was, and you point,
• 37:31
  so I had come from the left and I said where's this other
• 37:34
  dealer? And you said they're down here
• 37:35
  to the right. And I looked and I started
• 37:38
  walking and I was like, Nope, turned back around, could not do
• 37:42
  it. There was just so many people,
• 37:44
  no room whatsoever. And like you said, I had a
• 37:47
  backpack on and any slight swings, I was going to hit
• 37:50
  somebody with it. There were people with suitcases
• 37:52
  in the aisles and. Terrible.
• 37:55
  Yeah, it was insane. The the good.
• 37:57
  The good part of that is it was it was by far the best turn out
• 38:01
  ever for an yeah, I think that's a no brainer.
• 38:03
  Just by far the best. So that's awesome.
• 38:06
  That's awesome. But yeah, it was it was insanity
• 38:09
  trying to get anywhere, let alone upstairs.
• 38:11
  Upstairs was the worst, I'd say. Yeah.
• 38:14
  All right. Jeremy, thank you for coming on.
• 38:16
  I appreciate it. This was a lot of fun.
• 38:18
  Yeah, thanks for having me on, man.
• 38:21
  All right, we'll see you all. See you soon.
• 38:23
  Thanks for watching everybody. Appreciate it.