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Credlin | 30 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. More to the show, Stue Price with you
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Speaker 2: sitting in for Peter, who's away for a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: Now here's what's coming up tonight on Kredlin. A re
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Speaker 2: elected Albanizi government is planning on with its election promises.
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Speaker 2: First up it was the hex's debt relief. Now it's
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Speaker 2: world first social media reform. But will it work and
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Speaker 2: is it really the way to go? I'll have more
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Speaker 2: on that shortly. British Prime Minister Kirstarma joins the French
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Speaker 2: sort of in threatening Israel with Palestinian recognition if the
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Speaker 2: gaza food supply situation is not fixed. But what bl
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi do. The Panel will have their say on
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Speaker 2: that shortly. Plus I'd like to go back to the
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Speaker 2: issue of one Australian flag. This was sparked today. Now
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Speaker 2: when you look at the tight shot of what happened
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Speaker 2: at this media conference this morning, and you saw the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and his Communications Minister Anaka Wells tell her
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Speaker 2: the world we will soon have social media laws tried
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Speaker 2: nowhere else. But the only visible flag, the one behind
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Speaker 2: the PM, is the Torres Strait Islander flag. The one
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Speaker 2: behind Anaka Wells was the indigenous flag. I have more
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Speaker 2: to say on that shortly, and we will talk again
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Speaker 2: with farmer Andrew Wideman protesting outside the Victorian Parliament today
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Speaker 2: as his state government threatens to lock him up for
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Speaker 2: refusing transmission towers on his farm, and there was a
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Speaker 2: bizarre scene with Palestinian protesters banging saucepans. We'll get onto
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Speaker 2: that shortly, but first up, and I'll update you on
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Speaker 2: that tsunami warning in a second. But first up. Look,
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Speaker 2: I feature in some YouTube videos for some interesting things
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Speaker 2: that I may have done, and for some silly things
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Speaker 2: and some embarrassing things. But I do not have a
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Speaker 2: YouTube account, so I can watch it, but I don't
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Speaker 2: have an account all. I'm also not on Facebook or Snapchat.
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Speaker 2: Occasionally use Instagram, but now avoid the toxic site Twitter.
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Speaker 2: I'm obviously also not under sixteen and my children are
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Speaker 2: in their mid twenties, so I will not be captured
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Speaker 2: by intended social media bands that were announced in Canberra today.
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Speaker 2: Now I used context here because not being in the
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Speaker 2: middle of a family debate about the use of these sites,
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Speaker 2: I do not want to downplay the impact they have
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Speaker 2: on some youngsters and under sixteens being bullied or exposed
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Speaker 2: to things like pornography or other dark sites. These intended
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Speaker 2: age related bands are designed to be in place by December,
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Speaker 2: so it's not far away. And that's where I pause,
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Speaker 2: because I inherently don't like banning things, and as someone
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Speaker 2: who likes to deal with common sense, I just wonder
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Speaker 2: how this will actually work in practice, and plenty of
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Speaker 2: experts of today said they don't think it will now.
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Speaker 2: As I said, I'll talk later to a young Australian
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Speaker 2: who disagrees with this band. So to just be clear,
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Speaker 2: the Minister Aneka Worlds, the minister charged with getting this
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Speaker 2: across the line, explain today why despite a vigorous campaign
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Speaker 2: by YouTube, they YouTube were included in the age based bands.
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Speaker 3: YouTube did send the Wiggles to try and persuade me
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Speaker 3: to their positions, did they?
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Speaker 4: They did?
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Speaker 3: They sent Big Wiggle and obviously my twins.
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Speaker 5: Yeah you're joking right.
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Speaker 3: No, these are not set and forget laws. They're set
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Speaker 3: and support and it's up to YouTube and all the
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Speaker 3: other social media platforms who are impacted by the ban
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Speaker 3: to now work with the safety Commissioner around what this
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Speaker 3: looks like for their particular platform.
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Speaker 2: Now, my skepticism about this much hyped idea comes from
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Speaker 2: the definition of what the companies must do to comply.
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Speaker 2: They will be required to quote take reasonable steps to
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Speaker 2: prevent persons under the age of sixteen from creating or
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Speaker 2: holding an account. Well that's well and good, but you
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Speaker 2: don't need an account, as far as I can work
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Speaker 2: out to watch YouTube, you can just anyway. The change
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Speaker 2: has also threatened social media giants with fines of up
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Speaker 2: to fifty million dollars if they dodge the bands. Now
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Speaker 2: does anyone seriously think that'll actually happen? Does anyone think
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Speaker 2: smart kids will not find easy ways around this change?
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Speaker 2: And someone needs to ask the government what will they
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Speaker 2: do if, say Instagram or maybe TikTok threaten to shut
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Speaker 2: down their sites in Australia and turn Australia black. Now,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister joined the Minister for Communications at this
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Speaker 2: launch today. Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 6: Social media does have a social responsibility and they also
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Speaker 6: need a social license, so they'll be demand from the
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Speaker 6: community for social media companies to engage constructively. We don't
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Speaker 6: do this easily. What we do, though, is respond to
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Speaker 6: something that is needed.
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Speaker 2: Here that flag I was talking about, and how confusing
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Speaker 2: that would be for someone watching this overseas. Now, look,
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Speaker 2: this is one of those things that sounds good in
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Speaker 2: theory but probably or is probably impossible to implement because
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Speaker 2: it's like putting the genie back in the bottle. And
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Speaker 2: in practical terms, I believe, as hard as it might be,
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Speaker 2: the policing of youngsters under sixteen, I believe should be
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Speaker 2: the responsibility the parents, just like it was when my
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Speaker 2: parents limited TV viewing after school, putting boundaries around what
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Speaker 2: you spent your time doing. And think about it, how
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Speaker 2: does a parent watching YouTube start to tell his or
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Speaker 2: her children that they can't Now we will watch this
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Speaker 2: experiment very very closely before we head to cap to Canberra.
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Speaker 2: We are continuing. I just should tell you to keep
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Speaker 2: a close eye on the tsunami warnings right around the world,
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Speaker 2: across the Pacific. This is after that massive earthquake off
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Speaker 2: the coast of Russia. Now the areas of concern Japan, Hawaii,
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Speaker 2: and I'll bring you any updates during the show. We
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Speaker 2: do have some live pictures that we can bring up
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Speaker 2: for you if anything unfolds. While we're on air, but
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Speaker 2: our's time for the political headline has been a very
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Speaker 2: busy day in Camera. Scott News political reporter Cam Reddens
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Speaker 2: with us good evening. Global momentum is building for the
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Speaker 2: recognition of Palestinian independence.
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Speaker 7: The UK will recognize the state of Palestine unless the
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Speaker 7: Israeli government takes substantive steps to end the appalling situation
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Speaker 7: in Gaza.
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Speaker 8: If you do that, you really are rewarding a miss
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Speaker 8: and I'm not about to do that.
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister not yet ready to recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 6: What we're looking at is the circumstances where recognition will
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Speaker 6: advance the objective of the creation of two states.
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Speaker 9: But one labor MP isn't prepared to wait.
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Speaker 10: We can still maintain that we have can nitions that
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Speaker 10: we believe need to be satisfied, but we can flag
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Speaker 10: our preparedness to signal our commitment to recognize Palestine.
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Speaker 5: Now it's putting the cart before the horse cure.
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Speaker 9: We need to see a peace agreement first. Israel's Foreign
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Speaker 9: Minister rejecting claims aid has been restricted.
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Speaker 5: This is a lay because we are not holding ged.
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Speaker 9: But the world's and Australia's patience is fast running out.
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Speaker 5: We shall move to questions without notice. Are there any questions?
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Speaker 9: Inflation has fallen to two point one percent, raising hopes
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Speaker 9: of an interest rate cut.
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Speaker 11: In August, when we came to office, inflation had a
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Speaker 11: six in front of it. Now it's around a third
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Speaker 11: of that. Very very encouraging development. Absolutely outstanding numbers today.
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Speaker 9: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Good Oni, Cam, thanks for that. Now plenty to get into.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into our first panel to I've senior reporter
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Speaker 2: Caroline Marcus and national affairs editor at the Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: of course Sky and news host James Morrow. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both. Let's stay on the Palestine question, Caroline first,
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Speaker 2: Anthony ALBANIZI appears to me to be a person who
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Speaker 2: would love to have stood up like Keirs Darma did
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Speaker 2: overnight and say exactly the same thing. He's waiting. How
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Speaker 2: long do you think he'll wait?
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Speaker 12: Look, I'm kind of unclear about why he is still waiting.
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Speaker 12: I mean he won the election when a huge lionslide.
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Speaker 12: It's clear where his sentiments lie. We know he used
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Speaker 12: to be a strong pro Palestinian supporter and a ten
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Speaker 12: marches and rallies and yet something is still holding him back.
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Speaker 12: But his answers are very wishy wash here. I mean
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Speaker 12: the Australian environ Minister Penny Wong has come out with
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Speaker 12: among these fifteen countries today and say, who've said we
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Speaker 12: either are recognizing a Palace state a Standian state now
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Speaker 12: or we are expressing that that's something that we intend
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Speaker 12: to do. And when Albanizei was asked about this, he
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Speaker 12: kind of gave an answer that was neither here nor there.
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Speaker 12: He wants to see, you know, peace on and security
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Speaker 12: for both sides. But my question is how is that
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Speaker 12: even possible when one side her maas it's part of
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Speaker 12: its charter to see the destruction of the Jewish state.
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Speaker 12: If one side wants to kill you, how can you
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Speaker 12: ever have a secure border with that side? How can
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Speaker 12: you ever have two states living peacefully side by side?
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Speaker 12: And what does it even mean to recognize the Palestinian state?
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Speaker 12: Are recognizing her mask and you're recognizing Fata, who has
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Speaker 12: power over the West Bank, who hates her mass. The
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Speaker 12: two don't get along. So yet again it's an example
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Speaker 12: of how Australia has absolutely no say in what happens
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Speaker 12: in the Middle East, it's not going to impact what
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Speaker 12: happens there. And frankly, their statements have got increasingly hostile.
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Speaker 12: Simply rewarding terror and setting a terrible blueprint for any
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Speaker 12: other terrorist organization that wants to commit mass horror is
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Speaker 12: that they're going to get what they want if they
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Speaker 12: do that, in this case, recognition of a state.
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Speaker 2: James, this is going to get very messy. I see.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know Donald Trump, the President of the US,
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Speaker 2: on his way back on Air Force one today he said, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, if you do what Keir Starmer has done,
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Speaker 2: you're rewarding Hamas. You've now got Anthony Albanesi intending to
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Speaker 2: go to the UN in September. He would hope he's
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Speaker 2: got a meeting with the President on that visit. But
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Speaker 2: if he suddenly jumps in behind the French and the
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Speaker 2: Brits and says, okay, I want to recognize Palestine, he's
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Speaker 2: creating a huge problem for himself on that visit, isn't he.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's just adding to the litany of problems that
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanzi has with the US administration. But look, I
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Speaker 1: mean to go back to what Kiir Starmer has done here,
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Speaker 1: let's think about all of this here. Kiir Starmer has
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Speaker 1: basically threatened is all right if you look at what
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Speaker 1: Keer Starbus said, He said, if you do not have
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Speaker 1: a ceasefire, if you do not agree to a ceasefire,
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Speaker 1: no matter what Hamas says on their side, then we
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Speaker 1: will recognize the Palestinian state. This is just such a
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Speaker 1: morally backwards thing to do for any Western power to do.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about Hamas here, Hamas has done something. Let's
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Speaker 1: be clear what's having here. You know, Hamas attacks its
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Speaker 1: stronger neighbor and says we are going to genocide you
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Speaker 1: wherever in the world you are, according to their own charter.
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Speaker 1: Then Hamas suffers retaliation, which in the scope of history,
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Speaker 1: you know, historically people who do the sorts of things
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Speaker 1: that Hamasta in Israel come off a lot worse than
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Speaker 1: Hamas has come off, you know, in the last eighteen
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Speaker 1: months two years here, and now we say, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: you're the real victims here, so we're gonna give you
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Speaker 1: a state. Is this what the West is really all about?
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Speaker 2: Here?
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Speaker 1: If Anthony Albanizi falls into this trap, and I have
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Speaker 1: no doubt he wants to, because remember, for labor all.
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Speaker 1: Foreign policy is about domestic politics, so if he sees
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Speaker 1: a domestic political advantage in it, he will go and
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Speaker 1: do that and won't even think about the consequences. It's
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Speaker 1: just more of the moral bankruptcy I think of this government.
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Speaker 2: Caroline. Let's have a listen to what Pm Albanize he
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Speaker 2: said today, because he has ramped up slightly his retro
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Speaker 2: curious the.
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Speaker 6: World looks at what is happening in Gaza and expresses
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Speaker 6: that it is unjustified. We stand by the comments that
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Speaker 6: are made. Anyone who looks at that is producing a
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Speaker 6: response from the world as well.
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Speaker 2: Pretty wishy washy, really. I mean, he's hardly giving us
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Speaker 2: the energy of a leader, is he.
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Speaker 12: But it's standard classic Albanizi, especially on this issue, pricey
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Speaker 12: and I mean what really gets my goy is that, yes,
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Speaker 12: we are seeing absolutely horrific images of the destruction of war,
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Speaker 12: but there needs to be moral clarity about.
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Speaker 9: Why that is.
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Speaker 12: It was Hamas who started the war with an horrific
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Speaker 12: attack on Israeli civilians on October seven, and it's Harmas
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Speaker 12: who has refused various cease by agreements, including one that
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Speaker 12: was agreed to by Israel recently and helped put together
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Speaker 12: by the United States. It could end this war today
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Speaker 12: if it handed back the fifty remaining hostages, many of
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Speaker 12: whom are dead now, and put down its arms, but
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Speaker 12: it refuses to do so. We've also seen so much
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Speaker 12: misleading reporting over the last two years, including these recent
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Speaker 12: reports of widespread famine and starvation of children. And I'm
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Speaker 12: not saying that aren't starving people in Gaza, and that's horrible,
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Speaker 12: But this photograph that was published on the front of
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Speaker 12: the New York Times, where the newspaper has had to
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Speaker 12: come out today and clarify that this picture of a
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Speaker 12: skeletal child that it used as the poster child for
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Speaker 12: this so called famine was actually suffering from other diseases.
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Speaker 12: He had a cerebral palsy and another suspected genetic disease
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Speaker 12: that was causing him to be so malnourished looking, whereas
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Speaker 12: his mother and his older brother were fine. It's just
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Speaker 12: one example of the kind of willingness to swallow the
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Speaker 12: Hammas propaganda that we've seen from the world's media.
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Speaker 2: Yes, at least some in the media are now starting
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Speaker 2: to run a critical lie over this Hamas propaganda, which
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Speaker 2: just is out of control. James, my day always starts
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Speaker 2: really well. It puts a smile on my face when
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's day starts badly. I note today that Rice
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Speaker 2: Stead Energies pointed out that the government is going to
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Speaker 2: miss it two percent energy target by quote a big margin.
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Speaker 2: Much of this comes down to the fact, James, that
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Speaker 2: the construction of these new wind farms basically came to
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Speaker 2: a halt in the first half of this year. I
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Speaker 2: mean we had the protests up around Newcastle, we had
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Speaker 2: the protests on the South coast. Basically, offshore wind is
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Speaker 2: dead in this country. It's all going to be you know,
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Speaker 2: put on a valuable farmland in the bush. But Bowen
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Speaker 2: just continues to actually, you know, pretend there's nothing wrong.
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Speaker 1: Well, and you know this is the great problem here.
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Speaker 1: We decided, okay, well we're going to run down all
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Speaker 1: of our call assets. We're not going to allow any
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Speaker 1: new gas. We're going to get electricity from nuclear, we're
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Speaker 1: going to get from intermittent power sources you know, solar
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Speaker 1: and wind, and we're going to have batteries and it's
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Speaker 1: going to be expensive and complicated, unstable. But you know,
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Speaker 1: if we all work together and pull together and we
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Speaker 1: pave all the fire of land, and we put all
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Speaker 1: the solar panels out, we put all the wind farms out.
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Speaker 1: You know, we'll get there. Now, of course, we know
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Speaker 1: we're not going to get there. So what do we
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Speaker 1: have coming up? Well, we're going to have a miss targets,
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Speaker 1: which I say, great, that's probably a good thing. In fact,
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Speaker 1: that is a good thing. B Though, the problem with
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Speaker 1: the miss targets is there's not going to be the
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Speaker 1: conventional power there to pick up the slack. This is
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Speaker 1: just catastrophic here. And you know, I know there's been
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Speaker 1: a lot of talk in Canberra and in sections of
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Speaker 1: the press about, you know, should the coalition ditch net
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Speaker 1: zero and if they ditched net zero, well they're never
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Speaker 1: going to wind up being electable and all of this
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Speaker 1: sort of thing. I disagree fundamentally with this idea because
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Speaker 1: what we are seeing, you know, that report that you flagged,
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Speaker 1: and where we are in terms of the gap between
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Speaker 1: the electrons we're going to need and the electrons we
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Speaker 1: can provide into the system and deliver that is going
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Speaker 1: to cause all sorts of crises, blackouts, more power bill crises,
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Speaker 1: all caused by the net zero commitment. The longer we
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Speaker 1: keep that going, you know, the more people are going
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Speaker 1: to be furious about it. So today people in the
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Speaker 1: cities might say, oh, you know, we love our net zero,
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Speaker 1: we love climate change, we love all of this, we
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Speaker 1: love all of that, and we're going to vote for it.
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Speaker 1: Would never vote for those truck lights of the Nationals
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Speaker 1: who want to get rid of net zero. But give
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Speaker 1: it a couple of years. Here, give us a couple
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Speaker 1: of years price crisis, of high power bills, of blackouts
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Speaker 1: like we had in Spain the other week. I guarantee
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Speaker 1: you that justice happened in the United States, justice happening
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Speaker 1: in places around Europe and all over the world that
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Speaker 1: went down the folly of net zero. This road here
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Speaker 1: that we are going to see more and more Australian say,
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Speaker 1: you know, that was a great idea, but too bad
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Speaker 1: it doesn't work. I would like my lights on in
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Speaker 1: my economy working, please.
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Speaker 2: Well that's what we need to do, some palling on.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Caroline, look, net zero is a target. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's not something you have to get to. It's something
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Speaker 2: that you might like to get to. All the opposition
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Speaker 2: has to do is say, well, it's unachievable. We'll rethink
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Speaker 2: our mix on energy. Obviously nuclear got you know, rejected
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Speaker 2: by a much part of the electric in the election,
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Speaker 2: but we can revisit it in a different form. We
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Speaker 2: should perhaps be putting more investments back into new coal
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Speaker 2: fired power stations, but they don't have to. They should
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Speaker 2: not be scared of saying that zero is a target
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Speaker 2: we wouldn't mind getting there. We probably won't, and this
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Speaker 2: is what is our alternative. They've got to be strong
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Speaker 2: on this. If they just say, okay, we're going to
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Speaker 2: stick with net zero, they're going to be in opposition
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Speaker 2: for at least two terms, maybe three.
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Speaker 12: Well, where is the real difference between the parties if
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Speaker 12: they do that? But I feel like the Liberals have
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Speaker 12: been running scared on this issue and so many others.
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Speaker 12: They were really afraid to mount a very strong nuclear debate,
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Speaker 12: and that's why it didn't pass the test for voters.
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Speaker 12: But you know, if they were strong and they made
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Speaker 12: a point of difference with a labor party on this
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Speaker 12: and they actually listen to what people are saying, especially
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Speaker 12: people in regional areas who are most affected by this,
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Speaker 12: and I think they have a much better chance of
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Speaker 12: coming in maybe in the next couple of terms, but
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Speaker 12: they have to be fearless about.
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Speaker 2: It, absolutely, James Caroline appreciate your time, Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Still on the question of energy and where we're going
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Speaker 2: in this country with our manufacturing in particular, and we've
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Speaker 2: got to go get back to making things. We've got
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Speaker 2: to get productivity up now. The North Queensland town of
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Speaker 2: mount is an extraordinary community. It's actually fighting for its life.
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Speaker 2: The local copper industry there is set to be decimated,
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Speaker 2: with both the Mount Isa copper smelter and one in Townsville,
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Speaker 2: the Townsville refinery set to be shut down. This could
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Speaker 2: cost I can't believe the number seventeen thousand jobs. It's
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Speaker 2: the eleventh hour for North Queensland in this issue. Joining
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Speaker 2: us now to take us through exactly what's going to
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Speaker 2: happen here is the mayor of Mount Isa, Peter mccraig. Peter,
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Speaker 2: thanks for your time. How desperate are things when you
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Speaker 2: consider those numbers of job losses that are potential?
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Speaker 13: Oh look, Steve is just devastating. Seventeen thousand jobs between
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Speaker 13: maun Eiser and Townsville would see the towns fall unemployment
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Speaker 13: rate reach approximately eighteen percent, and that's just unthinkable, and
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Speaker 13: it would be even worse in maun Euser. And it
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Speaker 13: comes at such a terrible time with our underground copper
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Speaker 13: mind closing this week, the news that the smelter is
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Speaker 13: getting ready to go into Karen maintenance just puts our
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Speaker 13: whole community on edge.
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Speaker 2: We've seen the federal government plow money into communities like
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Speaker 2: why Alla and Port Period South Australia to keep open
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Speaker 2: their production mills. There has there been no approach by
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Speaker 2: the federal government to do a similar thing in the
20:44
Speaker 2: Eyes and in Townsville.
20:48
Speaker 13: Look, my understanding is that the federal government is working
20:51
Speaker 13: hard along with the state government and industry to come
20:54
Speaker 13: up with a joint solution to this problem. So I
20:57
Speaker 13: am confident that a solution can be reached because everyone
21:00
Speaker 13: understands how critical copper is for our economy and for
21:03
Speaker 13: our future. But you know, we need a deal as
21:06
Speaker 13: soon as possible, and in the meantime these deals take
21:10
Speaker 13: time to put together, so we might need some sort
21:13
Speaker 13: of assistance to bridge that gap.
21:17
Speaker 2: Great tough people in the eyes of including yourself, did
21:21
Speaker 2: you get your foot in a few doors there? I
21:23
Speaker 2: notice you're at Parliament House today and who have you
21:25
Speaker 2: been talking to.
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Speaker 13: Oh, look, we have been talking with senators. We've been
21:31
Speaker 13: talking with Senator Tim Airstaff and I mean he was
21:35
Speaker 13: good enough to visit our smelter recently with dal Or
21:37
Speaker 13: last the Resources Minister. We had the Treasurer visit the
21:40
Speaker 13: smelter last week. So this issue was top of everyone's mind.
21:44
Speaker 13: And I mean it's our job to keep it there,
21:46
Speaker 13: to let everyone know, you know, what's going on and
21:48
Speaker 13: how important it is for us to advocate for a solution.
21:53
Speaker 2: Well, it's Strange's got to wake up the fact that
21:55
Speaker 2: we have to keep rural communities like yours alive. I mean,
21:59
Speaker 2: our cities are jam packed with people. There's too many
22:02
Speaker 2: people in Sydney and Melbourne. In my view, you need
22:04
Speaker 2: communities like Mount Isa and North Queensland has big communities, Makai, Townsville, Cans.
22:10
Speaker 2: You've got to keep those places healthy because we've got
22:13
Speaker 2: to spread out. You can't just all, you know, leave
22:16
Speaker 2: in them capital cities, can you.
22:19
Speaker 5: Look.
22:19
Speaker 13: I agree that we need to look at some of
22:21
Speaker 13: the settings in place to encourage people to regional areas.
22:24
Speaker 13: It is where the wealth is created in our country
22:27
Speaker 13: through our agriculture and through our mining. We have great
22:30
Speaker 13: cities out there and once people move there, they're actually
22:33
Speaker 13: really really enjoy it. But we need incentives to get
22:36
Speaker 13: people to move to those areas and move away from
22:38
Speaker 13: the coast because, as you say, the price of housing
22:40
Speaker 13: on the coast is unaffordable, the roads are congested. I mean,
22:44
Speaker 13: there's so much opportunity in the region, but we just
22:47
Speaker 13: need to get people to move out there and take
22:49
Speaker 13: out that opportunity. But in the meantime, we just need
22:52
Speaker 13: to make sure that those jobs stay there because once
22:54
Speaker 13: those skilled workers move away, it's really hard to get
22:57
Speaker 13: them back. And I mean, we've traditionally been a great
22:59
Speaker 13: mind town and we continue to keep being one. But
23:02
Speaker 13: without that smelter, our tier two, tier two and tier
23:06
Speaker 13: three miners, they just won't be viable because you can't
23:09
Speaker 13: have the miners without a smelter, and vice versa. So
23:12
Speaker 13: this conversation is crucial.
23:16
Speaker 2: Keep the fight up, Peter, I know you will, and
23:17
Speaker 2: good luck with it. Will catch you again in a
23:19
Speaker 2: few weeks time, and see what's unfolded now coming up
23:22
Speaker 2: after the break, the Arab nations are now decrying Hamas,
23:25
Speaker 2: So why is the West actually going in the other
23:29
Speaker 2: direction must I'll get a teenager's view on the federal
23:32
Speaker 2: government's social media ban on things including YouTube. Welcome back
23:42
Speaker 2: to Steve Price with you. I'll talk to a teenager
23:44
Speaker 2: in a moment about what he makes of these bands
23:47
Speaker 2: on social media accounts for anyone under the age of sixteen. Now,
23:51
Speaker 2: I want to return to these calls from the UK
23:55
Speaker 2: and others including France to recognize Palestine statehood effectively put
24:00
Speaker 2: the onus on the Israelis to end the war in Gaza,
24:04
Speaker 2: and not acknowledging the fact that Hamas itself is a
24:07
Speaker 2: terrorist group. They did dreadful things on October seven, killing babies,
24:10
Speaker 2: raping women. We all know what happened on that date.
24:13
Speaker 2: So while a UK and other Western nations are in
24:16
Speaker 2: effect playing into her Maas's hands, Arab and Muslim countries
24:20
Speaker 2: and I was unaware of this, including Saudi, the Qataris, Egypt,
24:25
Speaker 2: Jordan and Turkey have signed a declaration condemning for the
24:29
Speaker 2: first time Hamas's onslaught on October seven, going as far
24:32
Speaker 2: as to call for them to disarm themselves. Joining me
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Speaker 2: now to discuss this, The Deacon University Global Islamic Politics
24:40
Speaker 2: Chair Professor Greg Barton, Good to see you again. Greg.
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Speaker 2: Now it's not just the Arab League that signed up
24:46
Speaker 2: this declaration, there are other countries. But how significant would
24:50
Speaker 2: you call this to have these Arab and Muslim nations
24:54
Speaker 2: putting their weight behind.
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Speaker 5: This, Stephen, this is a moment of opportunity.
25:00
Speaker 7: It's a moment of crisis, of course, but it's also
25:02
Speaker 7: a moment of opportunity. I noticed you just earlier today
25:06
Speaker 7: that retired Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner, the former IDF spokesman,
25:11
Speaker 7: has a long tweet on x saying exactly that that
25:15
Speaker 7: Israel needs to seize this opportunity when finally the our
25:17
Speaker 7: Upstates have woken up and found the courage to condemn Hamas,
25:21
Speaker 7: Israel needs to engage with the negotiation rather than just,
25:24
Speaker 7: you know, critically back away from it, because things will
25:27
Speaker 7: only get worse unless we have engagement.
25:29
Speaker 5: At this point.
25:32
Speaker 2: In your experience, has that group of nations got together
25:36
Speaker 2: to make a statement like this about one of these
25:40
Speaker 2: rogue organizations in the Middle East, whether it be Hez
25:43
Speaker 2: Balar or Hamas or others.
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Speaker 7: I've not seen such a large coalition and such a
25:50
Speaker 7: clear coordinated statement.
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Speaker 5: Steve.
25:52
Speaker 7: Of course, Golf states such as the United ourb Emirates
25:56
Speaker 7: are very critical of the Egyptian Muslim brother who and
26:01
Speaker 7: speak out against his activities in the Golf. And it's
26:03
Speaker 7: the Egyptianslim Brotherhood that is sort of the origin point
26:07
Speaker 7: for Hamas. And of course they're also very critical of
26:10
Speaker 7: Hamas's sponsor, Iran.
26:11
Speaker 5: But this is the clearest, most coordinated.
26:15
Speaker 7: Statement we've had by this group of nations, and these
26:17
Speaker 7: are the nations that will rebuild Gaza and be part
26:21
Speaker 7: of finding a way out of this nightmare. If it's
26:23
Speaker 7: to happen without their help, it's you know, you can't
26:26
Speaker 7: see any way of things getting better.
26:28
Speaker 5: So it's really critically important to pay attention.
26:31
Speaker 7: Of course, they're under a lot of pressure domestically that
26:33
Speaker 7: the reason that they've been reluctant to criticize the mass
26:35
Speaker 7: is not because they like a mass, far from it,
26:38
Speaker 7: just because they're fearful of domestic backlash from Hamas supporters.
26:44
Speaker 2: What's Guitar's role in this, because, I mean it seems
26:47
Speaker 2: to be I get very confused about where they stand
26:51
Speaker 2: in all of this. They have financially backed parts of
26:55
Speaker 2: these groups in the Middle East. Yes, they've had peace
26:58
Speaker 2: talks which have been held in guitar itself. But what's
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Speaker 2: their role here?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think we've got time to sort of
27:05
Speaker 5: get to the line of this, Steve.
27:07
Speaker 7: Qatar has played a complex role, let's put it that way,
27:11
Speaker 7: a role that many people have found convenient to support.
27:14
Speaker 5: I mean, Israel has funded over the last decade.
27:18
Speaker 7: Considerable funds to harm us through Katar, so it's been
27:21
Speaker 7: useful to have them not just for talks sort of
27:24
Speaker 7: Switzerland neutral Zone, but also as a point of transaction
27:30
Speaker 7: of sending money. Of course, there's good reason to be
27:33
Speaker 7: critical of Qatar as well. I don't think it's entirely
27:37
Speaker 7: clear where Katar stands, but I do think that it's
27:43
Speaker 7: necessary to have a place like Katar in order to
27:46
Speaker 7: engage in talks in order to find some way of
27:48
Speaker 7: getting out of this, because without negotiations, we're not going anywhere.
27:52
Speaker 7: So it's often popular to pilon Qatar, and I can
27:55
Speaker 7: understand that, but the reality is we actually need to
27:58
Speaker 7: be able to talk to people we don't like.
28:02
Speaker 2: Greg Just briefly, UK's Keir Starmer. I mean, obviously he's
28:07
Speaker 2: not said that he will recognize the Palestinian state yet,
28:10
Speaker 2: but he says he will if it gets to the
28:14
Speaker 2: point where they give back the hostages, lay down their
28:18
Speaker 2: arms and work with Israel on a cease fire. He's
28:24
Speaker 2: gone about as close as he can to saying you
28:27
Speaker 2: back what the French have done. Where does that leave
28:29
Speaker 2: our prime Minister? Do you believe I think queued.
28:32
Speaker 7: Up to follow suit, Steve. I think that we're at
28:35
Speaker 7: a tipping point now. It's not that anyone's saying a
28:38
Speaker 7: two state solution is easy, but the question is we've
28:41
Speaker 7: had all this focus on tactics and Etna, who has
28:44
Speaker 7: really been tactically brilliant, but strategically there's been nothing there.
28:47
Speaker 7: There's no plans for the day after. So for the
28:50
Speaker 7: people of Israel and Palestine to have a secure future,
28:52
Speaker 7: you know, seven million people in each community, there is
28:56
Speaker 7: no way to build a secure future unless we think
28:59
Speaker 7: about some sort of political solution, and as impossible as
29:02
Speaker 7: the two state solutions seems, there is no better solution
29:06
Speaker 7: unless you could have a one state solution.
29:07
Speaker 5: But politically that's not viable.
29:09
Speaker 7: So I think that Australia is going to find itself
29:11
Speaker 7: under considerable pressure to join in Western democracies in saying
29:16
Speaker 7: we've got to work in a political solution.
29:18
Speaker 5: Three quarters of the.
29:19
Speaker 7: UN member states support or acknowledge Palestine. The ones that
29:24
Speaker 7: don't are primarily Western democracies and a few outliers like
29:27
Speaker 7: Japan as well. There's reasons why, you know, people have
29:31
Speaker 7: said it's just a symbolic move to declare support for
29:35
Speaker 7: a Palestinian state, but it's got to be sent in
29:37
Speaker 7: the context of trying to find a political solution and
29:39
Speaker 7: work strategically to lasting you know, to building security and
29:43
Speaker 7: peace for everyone in Israel and Palestine. It's easy to
29:48
Speaker 7: be critical about this, but you know, the question has
29:50
Speaker 7: got to be asked is what plans do we have
29:52
Speaker 7: for the day after this war stops and where do
29:54
Speaker 7: we go from here.
29:55
Speaker 5: Israel is weakened today compared with where.
29:57
Speaker 7: It was two years ago, and that's a really tragic consequence,
30:03
Speaker 7: along with the tragedy that's happening in the Gaza.
30:05
Speaker 5: Script we need to talk about that, we do.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, good on you. Great to catch up Greg Barton there.
30:12
Speaker 2: I want to go back now to what I started
30:14
Speaker 2: the program with tonight, and that's what's dominated some of
30:16
Speaker 2: the news in camera today. This is Labour's plan of
30:19
Speaker 2: a social media ban from many social media sites on
30:24
Speaker 2: teenagers under the age of sixteen. Now, there's been criticism
30:28
Speaker 2: from the e Safety Commissioner that YouTube was left out
30:32
Speaker 2: of this plan originally, but the government's decided to backtrack
30:35
Speaker 2: on the initial commitment to YouTube as part of the band.
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Speaker 2: This means that those under the age of sixteen will
30:42
Speaker 2: be prohibited from assessing a YouTube account or signing up
30:48
Speaker 2: to a YouTube account.
30:49
Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: I made the point at the beginning of the program.
30:51
Speaker 2: I see this whole thing, which start in December, an
30:54
Speaker 2: impossibility to manage. I don't believe that the social media
30:58
Speaker 2: giants are going to make it easy for anybody. So
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Speaker 2: joining me today a teenager high school student, Leo Puglisi.
31:04
Speaker 2: Leo founded six News Australia and its YouTube account. He
31:09
Speaker 2: was only eleven when he did it. Leo, if this
31:12
Speaker 2: was the new law, you wouldn't have been able to
31:14
Speaker 2: set up your business.
31:17
Speaker 14: Yeah, good evening.
31:18
Speaker 5: You're right.
31:18
Speaker 14: Six News wouldn't have existed in the first place had
31:21
Speaker 14: this been in place a few years ago, and I
31:23
Speaker 14: think that obviously would have been a real shame. There's
31:26
Speaker 14: a lot of problems with including YouTube. I think there's
31:28
Speaker 14: a lot of problems with the social media ban in general.
31:31
Speaker 14: But I'd agree with what you said there that it
31:33
Speaker 14: does look like it's a bit of an impossibility. I
31:36
Speaker 14: think it's virtually impossible to enforce age verification without requiring
31:41
Speaker 14: that for pretty much all age groups. And I don't
31:43
Speaker 14: think most people are going to be willing to hand
31:45
Speaker 14: over their passport to an overseas social media site.
31:50
Speaker 2: How old are you now, Leo, I'm seventeen. Okay, you've
31:56
Speaker 2: just scraped through. How is this even possibly going to work?
32:02
Speaker 2: I mean, you're very smart when it comes to social
32:05
Speaker 2: media and technology, like a lot of youngsters your age.
32:09
Speaker 2: You're even smarter youngsters under sixteen will find a way
32:14
Speaker 2: around this, won't they? Surely?
32:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've said that from the start.
32:19
Speaker 14: I think you know it's something that on YouTube, for instance,
32:22
Speaker 14: I mean, you can see all this content without being
32:25
Speaker 14: locked in. Certainly you could log in with your parents' accounts,
32:28
Speaker 14: as a lot of people do from a young age.
32:31
Speaker 14: I don't see why that would suddenly stop. And of course,
32:34
Speaker 14: the key point to mention here is that the harmful
32:36
Speaker 14: content the government keeps talking about, which of course exists.
32:39
Speaker 14: Like No, I don't think anyone's doubting that I'm certainly not.
32:42
Speaker 14: It's still going to be on YouTube, and it's still
32:44
Speaker 14: going to be on these platforms. This band doesn't actually
32:46
Speaker 14: stop harmful content. It supposedly delays the age of when
32:50
Speaker 14: a teenage would see it, but even in saying that,
32:52
Speaker 14: it's still going to be seen in a logged out state.
32:55
Speaker 14: So this band just doesn't actually address what the government
32:57
Speaker 14: has said it's addressing, which is a real concern cerning
33:00
Speaker 14: how rushed it was you on the last day of parliament,
33:03
Speaker 14: and that we're only getting consultation after the legislation was
33:05
Speaker 14: passed rather than a lot more consultation before it actually
33:08
Speaker 14: was passed.
33:11
Speaker 2: How widely LEO is YouTube used in an educational sense.
33:16
Speaker 4: Oh, extremely widely.
33:17
Speaker 14: I mean, I know we used it during remote learning
33:19
Speaker 14: for obvious reasons, but beyond that, it is constantly used.
33:22
Speaker 14: It is assigned homework, you know, to watch this video
33:26
Speaker 14: or a lot of the time. And I know what's
33:28
Speaker 14: happening with with some of my teachers. You know, they
33:30
Speaker 14: will record their own videos, maybe going over a particular
33:33
Speaker 14: topic in a particular subject, and they'll upload it to
33:36
Speaker 14: YouTube so everyone can see it. Because it's the most
33:38
Speaker 14: widely shared, a widely used video sharing platform in the world,
33:42
Speaker 14: as we all know, and so a full ban of
33:44
Speaker 14: that it just restricts so much content. It's not a
33:47
Speaker 14: practicality and again it's a real concern. But it is
33:50
Speaker 14: absolutely used in the educational area, which is why it
33:53
Speaker 14: was exempt in the first place, and which is why
33:55
Speaker 14: this backflip just just really doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 2: As anyone in government thought to perhaps talk to people
34:03
Speaker 2: like yourself in the lead up to what they're trying
34:06
Speaker 2: to do here. I mean, this is this is world
34:08
Speaker 2: first legislation. It's not being tried anywhere else. We are
34:11
Speaker 2: a small market relatively from the rest of the world.
34:15
Speaker 2: These social media giants are not going to just walk
34:18
Speaker 2: away and go okay, well we'll put up with that.
34:21
Speaker 2: They're not going to pay fifty million dollar fines, that's clear.
34:24
Speaker 2: I mean, in the worst case scenario, you know, they
34:27
Speaker 2: could turn Australia off. Couldn't they just black us out
34:30
Speaker 2: and say see you later.
34:32
Speaker 14: That wouldn't surprise me. We saw it with Facebook with
34:34
Speaker 14: News in twenty twenty one. It wouldn't shock me. I
34:36
Speaker 14: think Google is going to go to the High Court
34:39
Speaker 14: about this, and that could potentially delay its implementation. Look,
34:42
Speaker 14: I was lucky enough to speak to a parliamentary committee
34:45
Speaker 14: about this. That same committee didn't actually recommend a blanket band,
34:48
Speaker 14: but it did still go ahead. But I think it's
34:50
Speaker 14: really crucial, you know, we speak to young people about this,
34:53
Speaker 14: not just because they're the ones being impacted by this
34:56
Speaker 14: leaders station, but because you know, this is the generation
34:58
Speaker 14: that has grown up with these kinds of webs sites,
35:00
Speaker 14: and it's important to kind of get that understanding there.
35:03
Speaker 14: If they don't, well, you know, I can imagine a
35:05
Speaker 14: lot of young people are going to be bypassing it
35:07
Speaker 14: it anyway. You know, I've got a younger brother who's
35:09
Speaker 14: in the affected age group. I'm sure he's not going
35:12
Speaker 14: to immediately stop watching YouTube when December the tenth hits,
35:15
Speaker 14: So it's going to be fascinating to see how that
35:18
Speaker 14: plays out. But I think it's really crucial in all
35:19
Speaker 14: these discussions, and in all discussions where it's policy affecting
35:22
Speaker 14: young people, young people are spoken to, young people are
35:25
Speaker 14: part of the conversation because it really does matter.
35:30
Speaker 2: How's News six going.
35:32
Speaker 4: Six News is.
35:33
Speaker 14: Going well, where continuing to grow, will continue to grow
35:38
Speaker 14: regardless of this band. And I'm really happy with how
35:40
Speaker 14: our team has been developing six News, so we'll see
35:45
Speaker 14: how it continues to grow from here. I'll be interested
35:47
Speaker 14: in terms of how much of our audience is potentially
35:50
Speaker 14: that affected age demographic. But I'm really pleased with where
35:53
Speaker 14: six News is going and it's only going to keep
35:55
Speaker 14: growing from here.
35:57
Speaker 2: Good on you, Leo, thanks for joining us. I think
36:00
Speaker 2: Sky News needs to give Leo his own show now
36:02
Speaker 2: coming up. The British flag on display for Keir Starmer's
36:06
Speaker 2: press conference, but where's the Australian equivalent. When Anthony Albanezi
36:11
Speaker 2: took to the podium today to make these announcements on
36:14
Speaker 2: the narrow shot no Australian flag, plus how Pauline Hansen's
36:18
Speaker 2: net zero push has exposed the Coalition, welcome back to
36:26
Speaker 2: Price with you. Look, I'm increasingly getting annoyed about this
36:29
Speaker 2: debate about flags. Now we went through the election campaign,
36:32
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton said he'd only have the Australian flag behind
36:35
Speaker 2: him when he stood up in an official capacity. I
36:39
Speaker 2: just think the whole idea that we have three flags
36:41
Speaker 2: all the time is something that not only annoys me,
36:44
Speaker 2: it annoys a lot of Australians. Now I noticed it
36:47
Speaker 2: again today. Let's bring in Sky News contributor Jamie Rodgers
36:50
Speaker 2: and One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby. Welcome to
36:54
Speaker 2: you both. Now, I wanted to go first to the
36:57
Speaker 2: vision of Keir Starmer overnight. Now you wouldn't Hall Kirstarma
37:01
Speaker 2: a Conservatives from the far left in the UK presser
37:04
Speaker 2: with him. There is both the Union jacks right behind him,
37:09
Speaker 2: not one but two of them. Very impressive, you know,
37:12
Speaker 2: show of strength, I would have thought, and then you
37:15
Speaker 2: can trust that with the Prime minister. Now, the wide
37:17
Speaker 2: shot there, guys, shows the Australian flags on the left
37:21
Speaker 2: and the right to the far right of the screen
37:23
Speaker 2: when the camera goes in tight. The entire time the
37:26
Speaker 2: Prime Minister was speaking, and I watched the entire press conference,
37:30
Speaker 2: the only flag behind him is the Torres Strait Islander
37:33
Speaker 2: flag and the only flag behind Annika Wells was the
37:36
Speaker 2: indigenous flag. James, can we not sort this out?
37:41
Speaker 8: Well, that's done deliberately, Steve, Absolutely deliberately. They know where
37:45
Speaker 8: those camera shots are and look to be quite honest,
37:47
Speaker 8: I'm not surprised that this government haven't.
37:50
Speaker 4: Introduced a fourth flag, and that's the Queer flag.
37:52
Speaker 8: They seem to fly every other flag other than the
37:55
Speaker 8: Australian flag, and that's very frustrating as an Australian look
38:00
Speaker 8: sixty five thousand years this government claims the Aboriginal culture
38:04
Speaker 8: has been in this country, and yet they never had
38:07
Speaker 8: a flag for that sixty five thousand years. It only
38:09
Speaker 8: came into play in the nineteen seventies, officially somewhat adopted
38:13
Speaker 8: a couple of years ago.
38:16
Speaker 4: We're over it.
38:17
Speaker 8: I just and there's a reason why the Aboriginals never
38:20
Speaker 8: had a flag, by the way, because you'll note when
38:22
Speaker 8: you fly into any town or city they say, oh,
38:26
Speaker 8: welcome to such and such country. Well, you couldn't have
38:31
Speaker 8: two hundred and fifty Aboriginal flags, because that's how many
38:34
Speaker 8: Aboriginal groups there were in.
38:36
Speaker 4: This country back in the day before white settlement.
38:38
Speaker 8: So let's just go back to the one flag, the
38:41
Speaker 8: Australian flag, and be done with it.
38:44
Speaker 2: I think we need to, Jamie. I mean, the other
38:47
Speaker 2: point about this is that media conference was about social
38:50
Speaker 2: media giants being told that by December only kids under
38:55
Speaker 2: sixteen you're not going to be able to access their material.
38:57
Speaker 2: So that media conference will be showed very widely right
39:01
Speaker 2: around the world because the world's interested in see whether
39:04
Speaker 2: this whole whole idea of banning social media for youngsters works,
39:08
Speaker 2: and so people would be looking at that from overseas
39:11
Speaker 2: and going, where is this blog actually from? I mean,
39:14
Speaker 2: the flag dictates where you're from. I mean Donald Trump
39:18
Speaker 2: has the American flag, Starman's got the Union Jack, the
39:22
Speaker 2: Japanese have got the Rising Sun, the French, the Italians.
39:26
Speaker 2: Why are we doing this?
39:28
Speaker 15: Your spot on there, Steve. Every other nation stands in
39:31
Speaker 15: front of their one flag, and that's because they're proud
39:34
Speaker 15: of their flag, and we've really lost that. And every time,
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Speaker 15: to your point, when I see Anthony Albernizi or anyone
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Speaker 15: from his department standing there at a press conference in
39:43
Speaker 15: front of three flags, and often one of the three
39:46
Speaker 15: is always blocked, and it tends to be the Australian flag.
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Speaker 15: I think enough's enough. We have one flag, flag that
39:51
Speaker 15: we should be incredibly proud of, and we need to
39:53
Speaker 15: bring that back to our country, be proud of who
39:56
Speaker 15: we are, stand up for it and put that Australian
39:58
Speaker 15: flag out there for the world to see, because to
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Speaker 15: your point, anyone watching that press conference we'll be wondering
40:03
Speaker 15: we're on earth. Anthony Albanesi is.
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Speaker 2: From James didn't the voice result give the Albanesi government
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Speaker 2: a very clear message that we want to be one country.
40:18
Speaker 2: And if you're going to be one country, you need
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Speaker 2: one flag.
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Speaker 8: You would have thought, say, Steve, I say this to
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Speaker 8: any one at home right now, pick up your iPhone,
40:29
Speaker 8: pick up your smartphone and just google the Australian flag.
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Speaker 4: It'll only show one. It does not show three.
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Speaker 8: And that's the attitude Anthony Albanese in this Labor government
40:38
Speaker 8: should take.
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Speaker 4: We've got one flag.
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Speaker 2: James, your boss went into the Senate today and she
40:45
Speaker 2: put a bill through the Senate and to scrap Australia's
40:49
Speaker 2: net zero by twenty fifty policy. We're voted down clearly
40:53
Speaker 2: because the Greens and Labor have got the majority in
40:56
Speaker 2: the Senate. What was Sir Pauline trying to achieve today.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's about time we call out not just Labor
41:03
Speaker 8: and the Greens, but it's to show the hand of
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Speaker 8: the coalition because for so long now there's been a
41:08
Speaker 8: couple of lone voices out there, Barnaby Joyce, Matt Canavan,
41:12
Speaker 8: Who else have you got, alexanderik There's not many to
41:14
Speaker 8: choose from that have been anti net zero. The problem
41:17
Speaker 8: is they're the only three out of a very small
41:20
Speaker 8: cohort that were re elected at this most recent election.
41:25
Speaker 8: David Little Proud's a week leader when it comes to
41:28
Speaker 8: the National Party, he's lost his way.
41:30
Speaker 4: He can't make a decision here on this fact. They're
41:32
Speaker 4: going to go down a really.
41:33
Speaker 8: Deep rabbit hole find themselves losing more votes at the
41:36
Speaker 8: next election. And we wanted to show that up when
41:39
Speaker 8: you've only got two from one from the Liberal and
41:42
Speaker 8: one from the National Party prepared to stand against net
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Speaker 8: zero on the floor of our Parliament while the rest
41:47
Speaker 8: run out of there like whimps, like wooses. That is
41:51
Speaker 8: what the Liberal and National Parties stand for today. This
41:54
Speaker 8: is why they continue to lose votes. That's why Labor
41:57
Speaker 8: got ninety four seats in the lower House and what
41:59
Speaker 8: the coalition combined, what Liberals have got twenty eight in
42:02
Speaker 8: the Nationals fifteen. They're going to continue to lose votes
42:05
Speaker 8: if they cannot pick a side on net zero. They
42:08
Speaker 8: were silly enough to agree to go to net zero
42:10
Speaker 8: when they were lasting government.
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Speaker 4: I think they've picked the wrong horse there.
42:13
Speaker 8: They're seeing the productivity of this country, the businesses struggling
42:18
Speaker 8: off the back of that decision, and of course the
42:22
Speaker 8: cost of living for most households as well. It's going backward, Steve.
42:25
Speaker 8: And unless they make a clear, definitive choice when it
42:28
Speaker 8: comes to net zero, they're going to continue to lose.
42:30
Speaker 8: And you know what one nation are here to hoover
42:32
Speaker 8: up those conservative votes who are anti net zero.
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Speaker 2: Jamie look I said earlier in the program that all
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Speaker 2: the opposition needs to do here is say, look, net
42:44
Speaker 2: zero is an unachievable target. Yes, it's a target. You're
42:47
Speaker 2: never going to get there. We will present for you
42:50
Speaker 2: when they sort themselves out and have this. You know,
42:53
Speaker 2: you'd think they know now, you should know now what
42:55
Speaker 2: they want to do, but they're going to have a
42:57
Speaker 2: study and Danteen's leading it. He look, net zero is
43:00
Speaker 2: not achievable. We want a mix of different energy. Some
43:03
Speaker 2: of it will be renewable, some of it will be cold,
43:05
Speaker 2: some of it will be gas. You voted against nuclear,
43:08
Speaker 2: but we still believe there's a place for it. And
43:11
Speaker 2: then go to the people and say we'll keep your
43:13
Speaker 2: lights on. It's not that hard, is it.
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Speaker 15: That's exactly right, Steve. And that is what the coalition
43:19
Speaker 15: took to the last election, was it was the energy mix.
43:22
Speaker 15: And whilst you said that nuclear wasn't one at the election,
43:25
Speaker 15: in fact, when the Liberals were doing well in the polls,
43:27
Speaker 15: which was earlier this year, nuclear was pretty much the
43:30
Speaker 15: only policy that they had on the table. So I
43:32
Speaker 15: think if we're going to be keeping it and met
43:34
Speaker 15: zero by twenty fifty target, the only way to do
43:37
Speaker 15: that is to have nuclear within the mix. And I
43:39
Speaker 15: think we need to be very clear that nuclear plays
43:41
Speaker 15: a very big key in this and if they're not
43:44
Speaker 15: going to have nuclear, then that target of twenty fifty
43:46
Speaker 15: is just not achievable. And to your point there, James,
43:49
Speaker 15: I think though the Labor government, we can just sit
43:52
Speaker 15: there and watch them right now with their renewables because
43:55
Speaker 15: they're not going to be reaching their target of eighty
43:57
Speaker 15: percent by twenty thirty. So let them go go out
44:00
Speaker 15: there and we keep the power prices high, and the
44:02
Speaker 15: coalition have a very good opportunity to come in and
44:04
Speaker 15: say this is our plan. Frontier Economics had mapped it
44:08
Speaker 15: out perfectly. It was going to cost about three hundred
44:10
Speaker 15: billion dollars for everything with the transmission lines when it
44:13
Speaker 15: came to renewables, when it was the nuclear power plants
44:16
Speaker 15: and We've had nuclear in Australia since the fifties, Steve,
44:18
Speaker 15: so this isn't something that's new. We are able to
44:21
Speaker 15: have it here and at Lucas Heights, and I wanted
44:23
Speaker 15: Peter Dutton to get out there and have some PREFS
44:25
Speaker 15: conferences from NU Lucas Heights so that people can see
44:28
Speaker 15: we've had it in Australia since the fifties and it's
44:30
Speaker 15: the solution to have clean energy that's reliable and cheap.
44:37
Speaker 2: James, there's some good billionaires in Australia, but there's a
44:40
Speaker 2: couple that annoy me. Twiggy Forest is probably number one
44:43
Speaker 2: that annoys me the most. The other one is this
44:46
Speaker 2: Mike Kennon Brooks character. The staff at Lassian Today learned
44:52
Speaker 2: through a pre recorded video before having their laptops blocked
44:56
Speaker 2: and one hundred and fifty of them were set to
44:58
Speaker 2: be replaced by AI. I mean, seriously, this bloke didn't
45:04
Speaker 2: even have the manners to front his staff face to face.
45:08
Speaker 2: He did it in a pre recorded video and says
45:11
Speaker 2: AI is taking your jobs. It's very brutal.
45:15
Speaker 8: He's going to find a real struggle finding future employees. Look,
45:18
Speaker 8: this is the future, particularly when it comes to computer programming.
45:22
Speaker 8: AI is so adaptable, it's constantly learning, it's learning as
45:25
Speaker 8: we speak, and it is advancing technology at a rapid rate.
45:30
Speaker 4: That means one thing, it's going to cost jobs.
45:32
Speaker 8: And it doesn't matter whether you're in computer programming or
45:35
Speaker 8: even if you're a draftsman. I've spoken to so many
45:37
Speaker 8: young people who were thinking about one in particular, as
45:40
Speaker 8: my nephew thought about becoming a drafte and I said,
45:43
Speaker 8: don't go down this path.
45:44
Speaker 4: AI is creating the very basis for people to go online.
45:49
Speaker 8: If you want to build a house, you put in
45:51
Speaker 8: some really basic key framework for it to work off,
45:55
Speaker 8: and it spits out a house ready to build, almost
45:58
Speaker 8: And this is the concern that everyday Australians are going
46:01
Speaker 8: to have to work with. It's also something governments have
46:03
Speaker 8: got to come to grips with as well, because if
46:06
Speaker 8: we want employment long term, we're going to have to
46:09
Speaker 8: tackle the taxation issues. A Lassian have taken all the
46:14
Speaker 8: tax advantages that this country has offered over the last
46:17
Speaker 8: couple of years, and you know, somewhat spat in the
46:20
Speaker 8: face of not just the workers but also the governments
46:23
Speaker 8: that have supported them with tax cuts.
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Speaker 2: James and Jamie, thank you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate very much, Thank you very much. Coming up after
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Speaker 2: the break, Peter's favorite always on a Wednesday night, the
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Speaker 2: Great Kel Richards. James McPherson coming up shortly, Kel Richards
46:44
Speaker 2: joins us. Claire's been on the line for us. Kel
46:46
Speaker 2: great to see you. I hadn't heard of this phrase,
46:49
Speaker 2: no harm no foul, as in foul, not fowl.
46:55
Speaker 16: And I'm like U Stleve, I hadn't heard about it
46:57
Speaker 16: until she raised it. It turns out that what it
46:59
Speaker 16: means is when someone does something wrong, has an accident,
47:03
Speaker 16: if no one's been hurt, they say, oh, don't worry, mate,
47:05
Speaker 16: no consequences, no one's harmed, no problem. That's what no hurt,
47:10
Speaker 16: no foul means. It's an American expression, not all that
47:13
Speaker 16: common here, I would think, coined in the nineteen fifties
47:15
Speaker 16: in a game called streetball. Streetball in America is a
47:20
Speaker 16: sort of basketball. It's probably a bit like our touch
47:23
Speaker 16: football compared to football. And it was coined there because
47:26
Speaker 16: it was such an informal sort of game and caught
47:28
Speaker 16: on and is used fairly widely in America. But I
47:31
Speaker 16: would think Steve not much here.
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Speaker 2: You never want to hear the phrase listen, kel, the
47:38
Speaker 2: writing's on the wall. That usually means you're going to
47:40
Speaker 2: get sacked. John asked, what's the origin?
47:44
Speaker 16: Okay, it means what is predicted and going to happen
47:47
Speaker 16: is now absolutely clear and absolutely certain. It comes from
47:49
Speaker 16: Belshazzar's feast in the ancient city of Babylon in the
47:53
Speaker 16: Book of Daniel in the Bible bell Shazer. In the
47:56
Speaker 16: middle of the feast, a disembodied hand appears and writes
47:59
Speaker 16: mysterious words on the wall. No one can interpret the wall.
48:03
Speaker 16: The words accept the Hebrew prophet Daniel. It turns out
48:06
Speaker 16: what they mean is you have been weighed in the
48:09
Speaker 16: balance and found wanting and belle shas rule came to
48:14
Speaker 16: an end shortly after that.
48:17
Speaker 2: When you get sacked, you can always go to rack
48:19
Speaker 2: and ruin. Aileen says, where'd that come from?
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Speaker 16: From the Middle Ages, when the rack was used as
48:25
Speaker 16: a torture implement in which people would be stretched until
48:29
Speaker 16: their bones dislocated or their bones broke, and simply.
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Speaker 2: Oh, shutter, shutter, sounds very grim.
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Speaker 5: It does, and.
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Speaker 16: Over time racipally became associated with being utterly broken and ruined.
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Speaker 16: Anywhere going to go to kel but we'll see it
48:47
Speaker 16: the next time we're going to go.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you a lot more time. Next week Kel
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