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Hell and Gone Murder Line: Taylor Barksdale Part 3 · Hell and Gone: Murder Line

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Speaker 1: School of Humans.
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Speaker 2: We've been trying to figure out what happened to Taylor
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Speaker 2: Barksdale in the last few weeks of her life that
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Speaker 2: led her to Kingston, Arkansas at twelve thirty four.
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Speaker 3: On August fifth, twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: Four, a nine to one to one caller reported that
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Speaker 2: she could hear a woman screaming on a rural property
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Speaker 2: in Kingston. The nine to one one caller said the
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Speaker 2: woman sounded like she was being raped or tortured. Just
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Speaker 2: over a month later, on September ninth, Taylor's remains were
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Speaker 2: found in a field near where the nine to one
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Speaker 2: one call was made. We have made some headway in
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Speaker 2: finding out what was going on in Taylor Barksdale's life
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Speaker 2: during the last few weeks. We know that she had
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Speaker 2: been staying on and off with her ex boyfriend Kenny,
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Speaker 2: but something happened in Taylor's life on or around July twentieth. Apparently,
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Speaker 2: Taylor and Kenny got into an argument. After that, Kenny's
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Speaker 2: neighbors say that they didn't see her come back to
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Speaker 2: Kenny's residence after July twentieth. Taylor was staying on and
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Speaker 2: off with different friends, and two of those friends who
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Speaker 2: she was hanging out with were men mutual friends of
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Speaker 2: hers and Kenney's. One of the men lived in a
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Speaker 2: camper on a piece of land near where the nine
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Speaker 2: to one one call originated from. So who are these
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Speaker 2: two men, how do they know Taylor? And what happened
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Speaker 2: to Taylor that led to her death and her remains
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Speaker 2: being found in a field. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the
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Speaker 2: past five years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone,
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Speaker 2: I've learned that there is no such thing as a
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Speaker 2: small town where murder never happens. I have received hundreds
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Speaker 2: of messages from people all around the country asking for
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Speaker 2: help with an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families,
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Speaker 2: and their communities.
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Speaker 3: If you have a.
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Speaker 2: Case you'd like me and my team to look into,
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Speaker 2: you can reach out to us at our Helen Gone
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Speaker 2: a message on Instagram at Helen Gonpod. This is Helen
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Speaker 2: Gone Murder Line. Before we talk about Taylor, I want
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Speaker 2: to say a word about closure, because I've been getting
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Speaker 2: some texts and messages from people asking me if these
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Speaker 2: stories are over after three or four episodes, they're asking
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Speaker 2: for how things end, and I get it. Unsolved cases,
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Speaker 2: by their nature don't have closure yet. I would just
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Speaker 2: ask everyone out there please to have patience, because if
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Speaker 2: it's frustrating to listeners, imagine what it must be like
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Speaker 2: for families to not have these answers. I wish that
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Speaker 2: I could bring every four episode arc to a conclusion
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Speaker 2: where the right person was prosecuted. I wish that real
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Speaker 2: life worked like an episode of Law and Order. Unfortunately
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Speaker 2: it doesn't. With these ongoing investigations, we're on the ground
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Speaker 2: trying to help families and the community find answers. As
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Speaker 2: of now, there is no satisfying ending, but we are
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Speaker 2: trying to get there, and for that we need your help.
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say something again that I find myself
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Speaker 2: saying a lot.
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Speaker 3: In this podcast.
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the timeline, because this week we
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Speaker 2: found some inconsistencies. One of the most frustrating things about
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Speaker 2: Taylor's case is that it seems like we can't even
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Speaker 2: get the most basic facts confirmed by police. For example,
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Speaker 2: when was the nine to one one call made? Were
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Speaker 2: there other nine to one one calls that night, or
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Speaker 2: a second call to a non emergency number made after
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Speaker 2: the deputy failed to respond. The Madison County Sheriff's office
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Speaker 2: says no, but we're trying to get dispatch reports and
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Speaker 2: see if we can verify some of this information.
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Speaker 3: We do know the original nine to one one call.
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Speaker 2: Was made at to twelve thirty four am on Monday,
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Speaker 2: August fifth, twenty twenty four. We also talked to two witnesses,
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Speaker 2: two women, who say they believe that they saw Taylor
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Speaker 2: shortly before she was killed. One of the witness's names
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Speaker 2: is Patricia. She says she didn't realize until afterwards that
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Speaker 2: when Taylor left her home that she could have been
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Speaker 2: one of the last people to see her alive. Patricia's
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Speaker 2: said she was hanging out at home with a friend
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Speaker 2: of hers. We've talked to this friend as well separately.
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Speaker 2: She asked us not to use her name. It's bleep
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Speaker 2: throughout this episode. At first, Patricia believed that Taylor and
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Speaker 2: two men came over on Sunday.
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Speaker 3: August fourth.
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Speaker 2: Later, after checking with her friend and confirming the text
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Speaker 2: messages they sent and the time stamps, she said she
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Speaker 2: realized that she had been wrong about the date and
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Speaker 2: that actually Taylor and the two men came over on the.
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Speaker 3: Night of August fifth.
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Speaker 2: For now, we're going to refer to these guys by
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Speaker 2: their first initials, but since they have the same first
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Speaker 2: initial B, we're going to call them B one and
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Speaker 2: B two. The first guy, B one, lives in a
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Speaker 2: camper near the area where Taylor's remains were found. Both
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Speaker 2: of these guys, B one and B two were Taylor's friends.
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Speaker 2: As we said before, they also knew her ex boyfriend Kenny.
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Speaker 2: It's a small town, so pretty much everyone knew everyone.
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Speaker 2: As we said last week, Taylor had been hanging out
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Speaker 2: in Kingston, in the area and near where the nine
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Speaker 2: one one call was made in the weeks after July twentieth.
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Speaker 2: Patricia knew Taylor, but Patricia said that prior to Taylor
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Speaker 2: and these two guys showing up at her house, she
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Speaker 2: hadn't seen Taylor in around three years. That night, at
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Speaker 2: around ten pm, Taylor, B one, and B two showed
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Speaker 2: up together. Patricia said they were looking to buy drugs.
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Speaker 2: Her friend was already there hanging out with her.
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Speaker 4: Well, me and you've been speaking with also, Well, she
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Speaker 4: and I were sitting here at my house and it
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Speaker 4: was about ten o'clock or so at night, and they
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Speaker 4: come pulling up, and it was and Taylor. They were
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Speaker 4: you know, they were driving them around, is what I
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Speaker 4: what I understood about it, because owned the vehicle, okay, right,
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Speaker 4: And they came in and they were looking They were
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Speaker 4: looking for illegal drugs, is what they was looking for.
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Speaker 4: And there wasn't any here, and I told them that
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Speaker 4: we don't have it. There's nothing here, and so they
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Speaker 4: him hauled around a little bit. And then Taylor were
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Speaker 4: sitting on my couch, or actually was standing there with her,
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Speaker 4: and she sat on the couch. And they was only
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Speaker 4: here for about ten or fifteen minutes, and they all
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Speaker 4: three left together. Nobody went outside, I mean other than them.
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Speaker 4: They left together, all three of them.
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Speaker 2: So that means that they would have been leaving shortly
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Speaker 2: after ten pm. Patricia lives about seven miles from where
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Speaker 2: Taylor's remains were found. That would have been about a
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Speaker 2: fifteen minute drive.
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Speaker 4: They were at my house at ten o'clock. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I know it was because Taylor was saying something about
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Speaker 4: they needed to go because they had to go in
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Speaker 4: the morning. They were going to go and see her kids,
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Speaker 4: and she was wanting to go when she was ready
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Speaker 4: to go, so they wouldn't have been left. And that's
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Speaker 4: the reason why I know it was around ten o'clock,
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Speaker 4: because she specifically said something about being ten o'clock and
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Speaker 4: they needed to get around.
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Speaker 2: Taylor said that it was getting late and that they
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Speaker 2: needed to leave. She mentioned that she was going to
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Speaker 2: see her children the next day. From looking at court records,
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Speaker 2: it seems like Taylor was in a pretty contentious relationship
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Speaker 2: with the father of one of her children.
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Speaker 3: We found one of.
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Speaker 2: Taylor's Facebook pages, and in the months before her death,
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Speaker 2: she was making posts that seemed to express the fact
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Speaker 2: that she was missing her children. In March, she posted
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Speaker 2: quote I withdraw from people.
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Speaker 3: And places from time to time.
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Speaker 2: I need space from a world that is filled with
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Speaker 2: millions of mouse that talk too much but never have
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Speaker 2: anything to say.
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Speaker 1: End quote.
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Speaker 2: Then on March fourth, she posted quote people have no
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Speaker 2: idea of the family I've lost.
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Speaker 3: The regret of my selfishness is unreal.
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Speaker 1: End quote.
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Speaker 2: On July sixteenth, she posted a couple memes, one red
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Speaker 2: quote the next time I feel butterflies, I'm chugging down
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Speaker 2: a bottle of tequila so they drown.
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Speaker 1: End quote.
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Speaker 2: The other red quote, realizing that I'm too nice for
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Speaker 2: a toxic man, but too toxic for a nice man
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Speaker 2: end quote. These memes are darkly humorous on a normal day,
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Speaker 2: but knowing what happened to Taylor, in my opinion, they're
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Speaker 2: just dark. On July seventeenth, her messages seemed to be
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Speaker 2: getting more positive. She posted, I'm feeling like me again.
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Speaker 2: God is amazing. Then comes July twentieth. Now, remember this
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Speaker 2: is when she was first listed as officially missing. But
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Speaker 2: we still don't quite understand the sequence of events there.
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Speaker 2: We don't really know who reported her missing. There was
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Speaker 2: apparently a nine to one one call that mentioned her
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Speaker 2: name around this time, but honestly, I'm not sure if
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Speaker 2: the conflict on July twentieth was with the father of
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Speaker 2: her son, her ex boyfriend Kenny, or both. Either way,
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Speaker 2: she posted eight times on July twentieth the same message.
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Speaker 2: She posted quote last night and today he had been disappointing, sad, heartbreaking,
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Speaker 2: and not unnecessary end quote.
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Speaker 3: Then she said that.
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Speaker 2: Her son needed his mud and that no one cared,
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Speaker 2: no one would let them be together. She continued to
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Speaker 2: post on social media for days after police initially said
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Speaker 2: she was missing. Her last post was on July twenty ninth.
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Speaker 2: There's a picture of Robert Downey Junior and the meme
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Speaker 2: I have smiled at people who said the most terrible
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Speaker 2: things about me and they think I don't know. After that,
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Speaker 2: the social media post stopped. Then she was hanging out
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Speaker 2: with these two guys B one and B two and
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Speaker 2: some other friends, and at some point she ended up
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Speaker 2: staying in Kingston, near the area where her remains were found.
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Speaker 2: Patricia said that when Taylor showed up at her house,
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Speaker 2: she was acting normally. She said Taylor did seem to
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Speaker 2: be under the influence of something, but not in a
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Speaker 2: way that was alarming. She said that Taylor and the
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Speaker 2: two guys were not arguing, no one appeared to be upset.
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Speaker 2: There was nothing to suggest that this was going to
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Speaker 2: be anything out of the ordinary other than some friends
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Speaker 2: hanging out. After they left, Patricia said she did not
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Speaker 2: see Taylor again. Patricia and her friend spent the night
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Speaker 2: there at her house. Patricia said that the next morning,
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Speaker 2: after her girlfriend left, B two came back to her
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Speaker 2: house and that he showed up alone.
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Speaker 4: And then the next morning after left came back. He
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Speaker 4: was the only one that came back, and that's pretty
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Speaker 4: much all that happened.
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Speaker 2: Patricia has known B one for about three years. She
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Speaker 2: says that he has been dealing with a lot of
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Speaker 2: personal issues, issues that she said caused him to appear
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Speaker 2: more angry and withdrawn when she sees him. Patricia said,
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Speaker 2: when B two came back to her place the next morning,
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Speaker 2: he was acting completely normal. So what happened to Taylor?
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Speaker 3: And when.
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Speaker 4: What gets me is coming back the next morning as
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Speaker 4: if nothing ever happened? Right, And he waited until left
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Speaker 4: before he come back, and he came in the same
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Speaker 4: way went out. Well. A couple of days later, I
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Speaker 4: asked if she had seen him, and she told me
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Speaker 4: she hadn't seen it. And so I think he was
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Speaker 4: I have a there's a pole barn out here behind
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Speaker 4: my house, and I think what he was doing is
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Speaker 4: he's waited for her to leave and then came back.
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Speaker 4: He wanted to use me for an alibi. Yeah, Well
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Speaker 4: when he came back way, I mean, he didn't say anything.
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Speaker 4: He just come back. First of all, he come back
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Speaker 4: because he had said the night before all he said,
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Speaker 4: uh that he would come back and he'd bring and
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Speaker 4: bring some stuff back. And I was like, whatever you know,
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Speaker 4: and then so he come back and he got to
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Speaker 4: come back here he come in. I know known him
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Speaker 4: for many years that he has been I do know.
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Speaker 4: I know him, and I've never felt right about him.
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Speaker 4: I've always had this leary feeling toward him. And and
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Speaker 4: I have a good sixteenth like that five daughter, I
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Speaker 4: wouldn't be alive today. But he's stacked like nothing had
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Speaker 4: ever happened.
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Speaker 2: There were two campers on the property, the one where
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Speaker 2: be One lived and another one that was the residence
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Speaker 2: of a guy whose first initial is Jay. They were
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Speaker 2: near each other in what Patricia described as yelling distance.
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Speaker 2: A few days later, Patricia said that Jay came by
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Speaker 2: her house.
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Speaker 4: The guy that owns the trailer house, the camp or trailer,
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Speaker 4: the other camper trailer that was on his property, he
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Speaker 4: came by. He came by my house and he said,
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Speaker 4: he's like, where's Taylor? What's happened to Taylor? And I stuck,
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Speaker 4: what do you mean? What's happened to Taylor?
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Speaker 3: Patricia said.
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Speaker 2: Jay told her he had gone out of town for
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Speaker 2: the night and that when he got back he saw
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Speaker 2: that b One had moved some of Taylor's stuff.
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Speaker 4: And he told me then that well, when he come back,
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Speaker 4: he had left out and he was gone all night
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Speaker 4: Sunday night, and he come back Monday morning, and he
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Speaker 4: owned it. He had moved all of Taylor's stuff over
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Speaker 4: to his camper in front of his camper, and so
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Speaker 4: then he come here asking me that, and I was like,
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Speaker 4: I don't have any idea.
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Speaker 2: As we said in the first episode, Taylor's and uncle
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Speaker 2: told us that one of the campers, which we now
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Speaker 2: know is Jays, was moved a few days after Taylor's
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Speaker 2: screams were heard, and the deputy failed to respond.
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Speaker 4: It was about a week or so before that he
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Speaker 4: had come over wanting to know, hinting around, wanting to
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Speaker 4: know if he could move this camper over here on
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Speaker 4: my property. And then he came by two days after
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Speaker 4: Taylor had been here and asking me about Taylor. But
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Speaker 4: I never would let him bring his camper over here.
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Speaker 2: But Taylor had been moving from place to place and
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Speaker 2: staying with different people. And again, this was the first
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Speaker 2: time that Patricia had seen Taylor in years, so she
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Speaker 2: said she wasn't immediately alarmed, but then about a month later, Kenny,
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Speaker 2: Taylor's ex boyfriend, showed up at her house. That's when
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Speaker 2: she said she knew something was very wrong.
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Speaker 4: And then on September the fourth or the fifth, Kenny,
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Speaker 4: which is her ex boyfriend, he came to my house.
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Speaker 4: He came to my house asking me what happened to Taylor.
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Speaker 4: And that was a month later. And at that time,
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Speaker 4: that's when I realized it's something. Something's wrong, something went on,
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Speaker 4: uh something and uh And I got with I told you,
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Speaker 4: something's not right. I said, they were at our house
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Speaker 4: that night. Anyhow, I put two and two together.
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Speaker 2: Patricia's nervous about meeting new people in general, and then
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Speaker 2: she figured out people she considered friends who she had
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Speaker 2: let into her home could have been some of the
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Speaker 2: last people to see someone who was brutally murdered.
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Speaker 4: It's scary, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's scary too, that
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Speaker 4: the damn thing about it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know we've been fine.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, that's the thing.
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Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this, what made you think
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Speaker 4: that he was going to use you as an alibi?
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Speaker 5: Because he came by the next morning or.
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Speaker 4: After, Kenny came over here and started asking questions and
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Speaker 4: I went and went and talked to my my ex husband.
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Speaker 4: They've been friends for years, and so I go and
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Speaker 4: I'll talk to him and see what he has to
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Speaker 4: And he come up to me, and first thing he
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Speaker 4: asked me, he says, you've been getting any visits from
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Speaker 4: the law lately. And I said, yes, I have, as
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Speaker 4: a matter of fact. And he said, you can thank
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Speaker 4: for that. And it's like, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 4: And he told me, he said, well, that was using
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Speaker 4: me for an alibi, saying that he was at my
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Speaker 4: house all night. Right, I mean I didn't tell me that, No,
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Speaker 4: I haven't. I haven't spoke to right, he told the
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Speaker 4: cops that he was at my house.
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Speaker 2: Now, we don't know if this is true, but if
16:33
Speaker 2: somehow the police got the idea that either of the
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Speaker 2: men who were with Taylor stayed the night at Patricia's property,
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Speaker 2: Patricia wants people to know that that's not what happened.
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Speaker 2: I asked her if the police had ever interviewed her.
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Speaker 4: Yes, the sheriff came out here. And this is something
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Speaker 4: else that's been weighing on my mind. Why did he
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Speaker 4: come out here to my house by himself when everybody
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Speaker 4: else he talked to he had a backup, nobody else.
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Speaker 4: It was just the sheriff, and he didn't record anything.
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Speaker 4: He did write some stuff down, but he didn't record anything.
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Speaker 4: And the main thing that he was focused on was
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Speaker 4: whether I went outside with them while they were here
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Speaker 4: or win anywhere with them when they come out here.
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Speaker 4: That was that was what he was focused on, because
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Speaker 4: he hit me. He can't asked me, I cure three
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Speaker 4: different times if I had went anywhere with them.
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Speaker 2: Patricia said the sheriff seemed to be very focused on
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Speaker 2: whether she went anywhere with B one, B two and Taylor.
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Speaker 4: But what my ex husband told me was that he
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Speaker 4: told the law that he had went and dropped Taylor
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Speaker 4: and off and came straight back here.
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Speaker 2: She said something about claiming that he got some drugs
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Speaker 2: at Patricia's that night.
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Speaker 3: She says he didn't.
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Speaker 2: But honestly, I told Patricia that whatever was going on
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Speaker 2: or was not going on with drugs that night is
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Speaker 2: completely irrelevant. I told her I did not care who
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Speaker 2: was doing drugs. I'm just focused on what happened to
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Speaker 2: Taylor and who killed her.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm I can't say for a fact because I
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Speaker 4: wasn't there, But the dates and the times and everything
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Speaker 4: they're just I can't help but feel in my heart
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Speaker 4: and both had a hand in it.
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Speaker 2: Now, I should say again, we don't know for sure
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Speaker 2: that Taylor was at Patricia's house that night. If she was,
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Speaker 2: we don't know what happened after B one, B two
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Speaker 2: and Taylor left Patricia's house. They may have gone somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: There may have been other people out near the camper.
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Speaker 2: We know multiple people had been staying out there at
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Speaker 2: different times. They could have picked someone else up on
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Speaker 2: the way home. We just don't know. But what worries
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Speaker 2: Patricia is that Taylor's killers are still out there.
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Speaker 4: The screams and yells for help. I mean, why would
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Speaker 4: why would they not go a nine to one call
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Speaker 4: like that? I just don't know what. I don't know
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Speaker 4: what to think about it, excepted I'm in fear for
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Speaker 4: myself and because we're the little last ones that's seen
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Speaker 4: her line where we can place, we can place and
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Speaker 4: with her that night. Yeah, both did, both of us, can't.
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Speaker 2: She also says she's worried about her safety and.
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Speaker 4: Get through the woods like it ain't nothing in the dark.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't have to have a flashlight or anything. That
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Speaker 4: band can go through the woods. And I have woods
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Speaker 4: around me I've got wooded area around me, and my
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Speaker 4: dog's been't act it up. She'll just be barking a
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Speaker 4: certain place down down the property line or in behind
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Speaker 4: my house. There's a pole barm back there, and she'll
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Speaker 4: bark back that direction, and and it just it just
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Speaker 4: worries me.
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Speaker 3: Oh no, I.
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Speaker 4: Want justice for Taylor, and I want justice for all
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Speaker 4: the other girls that suffered from me. Sorry solb in
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Speaker 4: this town. Yeah, me too, me too. In the way
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Speaker 4: that acted just so nonchalantly and it's like normal like
19:49
Speaker 4: he I've always known him to act. After something like that,
19:53
Speaker 4: it scares me to no end. I mean, how can
19:56
Speaker 4: somebody be so calm and cool about something like that.
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Speaker 2: Patricia said she's on probation. She said she talked to
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Speaker 2: her probation officer about her fears about her concerns that
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Speaker 2: she had seen Taylor with two men and that shortly
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Speaker 2: after that, Taylor was dead.
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Speaker 4: I talked to her about it, and she made me
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Speaker 4: go to the Sheriff's department, and the officers that I
20:18
Speaker 4: talked to, he just kind of downplayed me like I
20:21
Speaker 4: was paranoid or something, and that really irritated me. Yeah,
20:28
Speaker 4: I'm not just paranoid. I don't get paranoid. You also
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Speaker 4: had a friend there who who's backs up your story,
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Speaker 4: So yes, two people, It's not just one person exactly.
20:41
Speaker 2: It's important to say that while the two women's timelines
20:44
Speaker 2: and stories match, social media evidence does show that they
20:47
Speaker 2: were together on the night of August fifth, there's no
20:50
Speaker 2: proof that Taylor was there with them that night. And
20:53
Speaker 2: because so much time passed between the night of the
20:55
Speaker 2: nine one one call and the time when Taylor's body
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Speaker 2: was found, it's possible, as it would be with anyone,
21:00
Speaker 2: that they're wrong about her being there that night. This
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Speaker 2: is why it's up to the police to go and
21:06
Speaker 2: get the information from everyone, to sort through it and
21:08
Speaker 2: to build their own timeline to figure out which parts
21:12
Speaker 2: are rumor and what they can verify. We have two
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Speaker 2: women who both believe they saw Taylor on August fifth
21:18
Speaker 2: with two men.
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Speaker 3: Other people had.
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Speaker 2: Seen her hanging around in previous weeks with one of
21:24
Speaker 2: these two men, the same one who lived near the
21:26
Speaker 2: area where her remains were found. This is a lead
21:30
Speaker 2: that it seems like police would want to follow. So
21:34
Speaker 2: why aren't police taking these women seriously? When I was
21:42
Speaker 2: in Madison County, I also spoke to Patricia's friend, the
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Speaker 2: one who was hanging out that night at Patricia's house
21:47
Speaker 2: and didn't want her name used on the podcast, And
21:50
Speaker 2: I spoke to her completely separately from Patricia on a
21:53
Speaker 2: different day, and they both had pretty much the same story.
21:57
Speaker 2: It's hard to understand in some parts because the day
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Speaker 2: that I met Patricia's friend was very hot. We talked
22:03
Speaker 2: in the car, and the air conditioning, which was not
22:08
Speaker 2: optional that day, was blasting. She said she believed the
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Speaker 2: police timeline could be wrong. She insisted that the night
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Speaker 2: she drove to Patricia's house and stayed over, and the
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Speaker 2: night she claimed Taylor was there with B one and
22:21
Speaker 2: B two was the night of Monday, August fifth into
22:23
Speaker 2: Tuesday August sixth. She shares her Facebook messenger timeline with me,
22:28
Speaker 2: which tracked all of her movements.
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Speaker 3: She said that she was supposed.
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Speaker 2: To go to Patricia's house on August fourth, but was
22:33
Speaker 2: having car trouble, so she was at another friend's place
22:37
Speaker 2: taking care of some errands and getting her car fixed.
22:39
Speaker 2: All this time, she was exchanging messages with Patricia talking
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Speaker 2: about coming over. Her social media data shows her arriving
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Speaker 2: at Patricia's address shortly after nine pm on August fifth,
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Speaker 2: and staying overnight.
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Speaker 5: And everybody some time. They were on their usual crazy films.
22:57
Speaker 5: They were there for about an hour maybe, and we're
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Speaker 5: looking to score and there were stuff from milicover. Well,
23:06
Speaker 5: they left action about an hour one and I didn't
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Speaker 5: see them again.
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Speaker 2: There are a few minor variations here, but it's pretty
23:14
Speaker 2: much exactly the same story that Taylor B one and
23:17
Speaker 2: B two came over together. She said they stayed about
23:20
Speaker 2: an hour. Patricia said it was closer to just fifteen
23:23
Speaker 2: or twenty minutes, but both women clearly said it was
23:26
Speaker 2: between ten and eleven pm. They only stayed a short time,
23:30
Speaker 2: and they left and did not come back. So this
23:33
Speaker 2: is confusing because we verified that the nine to one
23:36
Speaker 2: one call was made on twelve thirty four on August fifth,
23:39
Speaker 2: So it is possible that these two women had their
23:42
Speaker 2: dates wrong. But if the police timeline is right, is
23:46
Speaker 2: it possible that these two women are right that Taylor
23:48
Speaker 2: was alive the next day, hours after the nine to
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Speaker 2: one one call was placed, or could that nine to
23:54
Speaker 2: one one call have been something else? Could Taylor have
23:57
Speaker 2: witnessed something else out there? Both Patricia and her friends said,
24:01
Speaker 2: Taylor appeared to be behaving normally. She wasn't beaten up
24:05
Speaker 2: at last, least not visibly, and didn't appear to.
24:07
Speaker 3: Be in distress.
24:08
Speaker 2: But we all know that when it comes to abuse,
24:11
Speaker 2: not all bruises are visible.
24:14
Speaker 3: There's something else.
24:15
Speaker 2: When Jay came over to Patricia's house, she said that
24:18
Speaker 2: he mentioned Taylor's stuff, stuff that b One had allegedly moved.
24:23
Speaker 2: Patricia's friend said the same thing that Jay had told her,
24:26
Speaker 2: that he came home and found that b One had
24:30
Speaker 2: some of Taylor's stuff in his trailer, but that Taylor
24:33
Speaker 2: was gone.
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Speaker 5: And he told me that he had been there harms.
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Speaker 2: Fifth.
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Speaker 5: He told me the last time he saw she was
24:40
Speaker 5: an Emperor Act three as usually as he was fixing
24:49
Speaker 5: when he had loaded up last some stuff, he was
24:51
Speaker 5: taking his arms and he said at last he heard
24:56
Speaker 5: was then arguing about and that he had showed un
25:01
Speaker 5: believe and it was known at that point that he
25:03
Speaker 5: had to hat but and he said that when he
25:08
Speaker 5: last it came back. I think it was a day
25:10
Speaker 5: later her.
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Speaker 2: Stuff was in.
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Speaker 5: The stuff was at One's house.
25:16
Speaker 2: Patricia mentioned something else about her conversation with Kenny, Taylor's
25:19
Speaker 2: ex boyfriend, she said he told her that a woman
25:22
Speaker 2: in a white car had stopped by his mother's house
25:24
Speaker 2: to drop off some of Taylor's stuff. This could be
25:27
Speaker 2: totally unconnected with anything, but we're trying to find out
25:30
Speaker 2: if that's true. If a woman in a white car
25:32
Speaker 2: had Taylor's property at some point, and if she did,
25:36
Speaker 2: where that stuff came from. Could that stuff have been
25:39
Speaker 2: in the camper where Taylor was hanging out near the
25:42
Speaker 2: area where her remains were found, Because if that's true,
25:46
Speaker 2: someone out there could have Taylor's stuff that could potentially
25:49
Speaker 2: contain evidence, evidence that maybe they're not even aware of.
25:54
Speaker 2: We're still trying to figure out exactly where everyone was
25:57
Speaker 2: on August fourth and August fifth, twenty twenty four. No
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Speaker 2: one has been arrested or charged or even been named
26:03
Speaker 2: a person of interest in this case, but we are
26:06
Speaker 2: getting much closer to figuring out Taylor Barksdale's last movements.
26:10
Speaker 2: Someone out there knows something, maybe more than one person.
26:14
Speaker 2: And finally, could there have been a police officer in
26:17
Speaker 2: the area. Remember when we did our freedom of information
26:20
Speaker 2: request and got information back from the Madison County Sheriff's office,
26:24
Speaker 2: we found out the deputy Blake Castle lied about responding
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Speaker 2: to the nine to one one call. In the statement
26:30
Speaker 2: we got from police, they mentioned that they checked Deputy
26:32
Speaker 2: Housel's AVN data that's the GPS data from his squad car,
26:37
Speaker 2: and saw that he had been in town when he
26:38
Speaker 2: was supposed to have been out answering the call. But
26:41
Speaker 2: there was something else that was very interesting in that statement,
26:44
Speaker 2: because apparently Deputy Housel said the reason he didn't go
26:47
Speaker 2: out there to answer the call was because he had
26:49
Speaker 2: already been out there in the area where Taylor's remains
26:53
Speaker 2: were found thirty minutes to an hour before and didn't
26:56
Speaker 2: hear anything. So what I'm wondering is did anyone check
26:59
Speaker 2: that GPS data to see if that's true. We filed
27:03
Speaker 2: a Foyer request for this data and we got back
27:06
Speaker 2: some of it, but it only shows a brief window
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Speaker 2: of time after twelve am on August fifth. There's nothing
27:15
Speaker 2: about where the vehicle was earlier in the evening. We're
27:18
Speaker 2: still trying to get more information, including dispatch reports. We're
27:22
Speaker 2: trying to figure out where Deputy Housel was the night
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Speaker 2: of August fourth and the night of August fifth, because
27:29
Speaker 2: if the nine to one one call happened at twelve
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Speaker 2: thirty four am. And if the deputy claimed he was
27:34
Speaker 2: out there thirty minutes or an hour earlier than that,
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Speaker 2: If that's true, did the deputy hear anything? And what
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Speaker 2: really happened out there in the dark. I'm Catherine Townsend.
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