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Episode 16 - The Ask A Vet Questionnaire · Three Damned Dudes

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  All right, and welcome to another episode of the Three
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  Damn Dudes podcast. Holy shit, all three of us are
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  here today. Look at that.
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  That's that's wild. It's like the the planets
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  aligned and Uranus is right up front and center.
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  I got mercury in my microwave or some shit so I think that
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  helped. Got a thermometer somewhere.
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  So I think it's I think it's all right.
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  I don't understand. Astrology.
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  It's not in my mouth. The microwave or the mercury?
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  Doesn't matter which one, send help.
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  OK, it's all right. That's fair.
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  So for our listeners, because the episode started basically 30
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  seconds ago there, there are an unaired 5 1/2 minutes which may
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  or may not turn into sound bites that may just go straight to our
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  graphic designer slash T-shirt guy.
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  I don't know you guys may may. Eventually.
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  No. No.
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  Oh no. You guys don't want to transit a
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  property? A trust T-shirt?
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  Come on, don't shiver like anybody knows what the fuck
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  we're talking about. Beads.
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  Beads keeps wiping the back of my neck with his tail and it's
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  getting. Me.
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  It's getting you. Flicking it just softly or it's
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  getting my neck hairs and it's like it's giving me the the
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  chills. The first time he smacked me in
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  the back of the head with his tail like hard, I was like what
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  the fuck? We'll smack him back with your
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  tail. That's not a tale.
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  Yeah, we need to have. Jimmy shows his tail.
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  We'll have to restart this episode again.
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  Again. Yeah.
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  So. We'll just, we'll just upload
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  this whole episode to Patreon. Here we go.
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  Yep. You know, eventually I feel like
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  that's where we're going to have to exist and the subscription
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  price is going to be like a a fucking penny, right?
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  One cent. Well I'm thinking as we start
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  reverse only fans and we upload all the unaired shit and people
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  pay us to take it down. Yeah, that'll work until Spotify
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  just nukes us. Be do stubborn shit.
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  Yeah, you stubborn shit. Why can't he just stay up here,
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  you know, And he's like, because he's got to be on my.
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  Cat dude. He's got, he's got his own.
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  Life to live. He's like, I need Lovin's
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  father. Father.
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  Father, the crab Rangoon Mother. Oh, shit.
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  All right. What's everybody drinking
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  tonight, Gavin? Good old fucking never light.
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  Still waiting on that sponsor. I don't know how to tell you
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  this, but I don't think it's coming.
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  Yeah, I don't think it is either, but one can dream.
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  He loves it. For those of you listening that
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  that rhythmic tapping that you just heard, that padding sound
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  was Jimmy aggressively patting the cat off camera.
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  So for you guys just listening, it looked as weird as it sounded
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  for you guys. So just know that we're all in
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  this together, like, you know, are we?
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  Sure beats like that because he is hanging on for life.
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  Yeah, when he, when he does this, when he does that, that
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  means he's loving it because he's her and like crazy.
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  OK, I just looked over. I saw him like death.
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  Gripping. No, no, he's doing the he's
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  making biscuits. Basically.
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  It means he's relaxing. He loves it.
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  He's kneading the dough of Jimmy's thigh.
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  Dude, he's freaking. His nails are so sharp that
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  they're going through the skin. It hurts.
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  Yeah, well, you're doing this literally to yourself.
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  Yeah. Oh, Jimmy, what are you
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  drinking? Milk.
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  He literally, he goes, guys, I got to make a pee, I'll be right
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  back. Comes back.
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  I'm not even sure that he peed. Comes back with a beer Stein
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  full of what I can only assume is fucking whole milk because it
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  looks thick. It is whole milk.
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  Oh hell yeah, I still got it boys.
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  I know my little. Bit of coffee Creamer in it to
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  make it taste like chocolate milk.
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  Yep, the Snickers kind. This episode brought to you by
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  Rifle and Ratchet and Diabetes so.
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  You don't have just some fucking like Hershey's chocolate syrup
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  somewhere. Yeah, but I don't would have
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  taken too long. So I was just like a little bit
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  of coffee Creamer in it just makes it sweeter and tastes like
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  giant milk. Good.
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  Good. That's good.
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  Damn, that milk's thick as fuck. What kind of bowl did you get
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  that milk from? Dude beats his face.
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  Oh. Shit, no.
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  All right, Mike, all you're drinking.
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  I I'm I'm going to stop you. Just just watch the watch the
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  first bit of the episode. You just gotta.
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  I don't have words for what's going on with beads right now.
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  It's ridiculous, but I am still it's been fuck a month, over a
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  month. I'm still drinking bookers.
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  You don't ever think about adding a little variety or no?
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  Variety is the spice of life, and if my life has spice then I
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  shit fire and I don't want to do that.
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  I haven't had alcohol too. White for that?
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  Oh yeah, No shit, Jimmy. I wonder why?
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  I'm good good on that is. That a fucking fart.
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  The fuck was that? It was a burp.
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  Ah, it was a butt burp, I see. This cat is pissing me off dude.
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  I'll just. Beads.
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  Oh shit, OK I'll I'll OK. Beads was relocated for Jimmy's
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  lap, like laying down in his lap to sitting up in his lap.
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  And in the process of trying to maneuver him into a place that
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  didn't suck, Beads reached his right old paw out and grabbed a
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  whole fucking fistful of the left titty of a certain Jimmy.
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  And that was that was beautiful to watch happen.
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  I love that. I bet it did.
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  Yeah. Nope.
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  There's a cat butt hole there it.
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  Is again sit on the back of the cherubby.
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  We started. We're out of the podcast, You're
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  out. Yeah, you're you're gone.
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  We're going to erase them from the logo too.
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  Fucking nerd. Now you got to go start a new
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  podcast. Clearly his heart's not in this
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  show. Fucking asshole.
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  He's just ripped. Jimmy's headphones ripped.
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  Both of my earbuds out of my face.
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  As a final fuck you as he was leaving.
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  And find my own show. Fine, find your own fucking
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  headphones IE. I bet he's showing you his butt
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  hole right now too. I know another podcast you can
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  go join Beads. Yeah, all right.
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  Weekly recaps. I I can go first unless anybody
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  wants to go first. All right, cool.
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  So I'm building a playset in the front yard.
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  And for those of you who don't know what my house looks like or
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  my yard, which should be hopefully fucking most of you,
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  there's not a flat part in on any of my property.
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  So yeah, I'm, I'm building a playset.
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  I've been working on it for a week.
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  I've got 1/4 of the first level of it done and I had to stop
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  because I've got to either level it.
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  I've either got to dig out the front portion of it or get
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  blocks to level out the ass end of it.
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  But I've also got to look ahead in the directions and figure out
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  what direction the slides coming off of so I can face that toward
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  the fucking house and then space it 2 meters off of all of the
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  exterior fucking ties that I put down so it's centered in the
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  fucking bigger box. It's a fucking shit show and I
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  don't care enough so. So fuck that playset.
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  I will say I saw that on your wife's Snapchat like a week,
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  week and a half ago ish and the two thoughts I had that came to
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  mind were wow that looks like shit.
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  And two, how much of that they do know beforehand before it
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  just showed up in boxes? I had to go pick it up.
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  I picked it up in boxes. Yeah.
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  And we looked at the finished product in Sam's Club, and
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  that's how they fucking get you. Like, yeah, look at this cool
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  thing. It's like walking around IKEA.
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  So you were with her and you didn't have the thought of, hey,
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  there's not a place to put this. Well so I I found a spot that
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  admittedly was kind of close to the driveway.
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  And at that point in the driveway is a complete blind
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  fucking hook to the rest of the driveway.
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  And children are children. And the last thing I need is
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  some overzealous fucking Amazon driver that I have to fucking
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  put on a stake in my front yard because they ran over one of my
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  fucking feral ass kids. Yeah, no, I'm so not sure.
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  Don't want to recreate that cemetery in your driveway?
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  Yeah, so fuck that playset and, and fuck, fuck level.
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  The whole concept of level. Fuck it, I'm over it.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, so the the critters and I
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  are going down to Quantico tomorrow because a good buddy of
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  mine is graduating the Warrant Officer course for the Marine
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  Corps. He's not graduating tomorrow,
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  but that's his pinning ceremony. So we're going down there to to
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  watch him get pinned. His whole family's coming out,
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  so I get to see a bunch of people that I haven't seen in a
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  while. And he specifically requested
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  that I bring Ridley because before he had his daughter, he
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  was living vicariously through me having a daughter.
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  So he has two boys, but yeah. And I would wait for a bet that
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  Ridley is so more feral than either one of them.
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  Yeah, probably, yeah. I mean, right, I think it I
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  think it, it's a little bit different.
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  Oh fuck. I thought of something else.
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  So on the topic of that, right, Boy feral and girl feral largely
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  the same, but there are instances where they will
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  differ. For example, my almost one year
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  old, the boy child, I was getting them ready for the bath
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  the other day and I stood him up because he's at the point where
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  he can stand up on his own when he's holding on to things.
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  So I stood him up on the side of the tub and he's standing there.
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  I'm getting his bath seat ready in the tub and I look over at
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  him to make sure that, you know, he's still there and upright.
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  And I realized that there's a puddle on the ground roughly
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  consistent with like splashing in the tub, which my daughter
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  was definitely fucking doing. And then I realized that there's
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  wetness, roughly 11 month old, waist high.
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  And that's where it started. So this fucking child standing
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  up butt ass naked, holding onto the side of the tub on the
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  outside just fucking let her RIP like a goddamn beyblade, pissed
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  all over the side of the tub and made a nice little puddle on the
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  floor. So in true fashion, all I do is
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  start laughing hysterically about the situation because I,
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  that was not on my bingo card, didn't didn't think I was going
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  to deal with a kid pissing on shit at 11 months old.
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  I figured I had another couple months before that really
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  started at least walking, you know, But now we're we're there.
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  So I just have to pay attention to where I put him because at
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  any point in time, he's just going to super soaker it.
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  Yeah, playing, playing single dad till Thursday when my wife
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  gets back from New York with the rest of the girls.
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  And I'm reminded every day that my daughter has my wife's
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  attitude and my patience. So yeah, it's, it's been rough.
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  And just like last time, send, send bourbon help, please.
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  We, we planted 20 pine trees today on the property.
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  Fucking 20 of them. And that was just a taste of
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  what I have to deal with in two weeks when 75 fucking trees show
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  up at my house. I'm I'm not ready, not ready for
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  it, not looking forward to it. The end products going to be
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  cool. I don't want to deal with it.
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  You're the one that signed up for it, buddy.
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  Yeah, I know. And the last thing in the recap,
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  I'm only going to lightly touch on it because it's going to
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  segue into a topic after the recaps, is I found myself at a
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  gun store yesterday, yesterday, found myself at a gun store
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  yesterday. You know, as, as one does when
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  your wife's out of town and you're just hanging out with
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  your 11 month old son because your daughter's at daycare.
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  And realized that I not only found myself in a gun store, but
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  I found my gun store. And I'm I'm super stoked to to
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  have found an establishment that deals in firearms and firearms
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  accessories that I am super OK with spending money at.
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  So that is my recap. Oh yeah, there me Omego.
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  Or yeah, I'll go buggy in true fashion.
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  Don't have a ton, but with shooting myself in the foot and
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  getting into that 1000 LB club challenge with our buddy
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  shifting gears, bucking the starting new a new like
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  powerlifting program that might be running for a while starting
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  that next week. So kind of excited to see how
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  that goes because I've been running the same program for
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  about four months now, so I was ready to kind of pivot and
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  change things up. But on that topic, went in today
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  and maxed out on my bench and squat just to get baseline.
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  Wasn't anything super impressive or anything like that.
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  Hit 195 on bench and then 275 on squat.
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  Probably could get a little bit more but techniques rusty.
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  Haven't played around with that too much past couple of months.
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  So did better than I was going to.
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  Figured I'd take the win with it and just, you know, set that
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  solid baseline. Have something quantifiable that
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  in you know, like 812 weeks and circle back, Max out again and
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  then the see how things progressing, see how quickly
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  things are growing. But other than that, pretty much
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  all really. But I'll do, haven't done too
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  much this past week so. Hell yeah.
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  So are you going to work like percentages of your Max into
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  your working weight? Yeah, pretty much.
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  That's probably a little later down the line right off the bat,
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  it's going to kind of be getting the technique down more.
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  So I'll be doing probably like 50 to 60% of my Max is just
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  doing pause rips and you know, really didn't like that formed
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  down and trying to isolate as much as I can just to get like
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  strict control of things. So.
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  Yeah, well dude, I'm excited for for a check back and now let's
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  just say 12 weeks. Yeah. 12 weeks what?
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  Episode 16? So episode 28?
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  As long as we stick to our schedule, which we've been
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  pretty alright with, and we've only missed two weeks.
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  Yes, yeah. We've only missed two.
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  Yeah. I thought we only missed one.
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  We had like Christmas and then Mike was out of town.
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  Oh, OK, see I thought we had one in the one in the hole for the
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  Christmas, but no, I think we were.
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  Talking about it, but I don't think we.
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  Did, yeah. I think you might be right.
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  Oh well. That's ancient history, Yeah.
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  Regardless, 12 real weeks, maybe real podcast weeks.
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  We'll see. Hell yeah.
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  All right, Jimmy, what do you got?
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  I. Need to start going to the gym
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  because I've been well. So right now I'm work working on
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  cutting weight and then whatever because I, I want to, I just
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  want to lose size real quick and see what I can get down to and
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  then, and then probably focus more on putting muscle on after
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  you know, to, but it's more I can kind of, it's easier to tell
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  what I'm doing, like if I'm doing it right or if I'm doing
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  it wrong without working out. Because if you're working out
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  and putting on muscle and you're also losing weight, you're
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  basically gaining and losing. So really you're not going to
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  lose weight as effectively. So it's, you're not going to see
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  results. So I'm the way I'm trying to go
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  about it is lose the weight first.
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  That way I can track my progress and be like, OK, I'm on the
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  right page. This is still working, you know,
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  'cause I stepped on the scale this morning and I was 242.
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  So, and that's, I was two, I was 256 two weeks ago.
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  So I've been. Hell yeah, man.
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  With fasting up and dropping weight quick eating sizable
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  dinners and stuff. So I'm not starving myself, but
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  putting myself in a calorie deficit all day.
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  You know, it's, it's, it's working.
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  And then I'm, you know, eating and then going to bed and waking
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  up later like, so it's, it's nice and you know, as you can
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  tell, I'm not starving myself. I just had a fucking a mega pint
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  of fucking milk. Like I'm not fucking not not
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  starving myself by any means. I'm doing all right.
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  It's losing weight. I was really, you guys did a
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  really good job last week with Dennis.
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  That was a great episode. I was.
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  Very. I was very bummed to see that I
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  missed Dennis. I knew you guys were doing 1
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  without me, but then I saw that it was with Dennis.
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  I was like fuck and yeah, because.
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  I. I've always so Dennis was one of
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  those guys that I only ran into. He wasn't like he was like
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  there, there was the age gap enough to where like we didn't
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  hang out, you know, and you know, he, he hung out with
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  people that I hung out with. So it was like, but we never
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  really crossed paths. And I know, I know he fishes.
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  So I've, we've always talked about going fishing every year.
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  We talk about going fishing together.
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  We never do. I know since since he started,
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  I've always hyped him up on the acting thing and, you know, told
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  him that, you know, I don't, don't forget us little people
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  when you make it big and stuff like that.
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  I've always told them and and then I and then he's like, no,
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  he's like, we still got to go fishing.
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  So you know, I have a funny Dennis story though, you know,
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  Logan and so so Gavin doesn't know Logan, but Mike Logan,
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  Logan used to have really long blonde hair, like just really
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  long down past his shoulders long hair.
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  And I, he dropped out of high school and cut it off.
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  And Logan was always kind of Logan's always been interesting
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  and unique is the best way to put Logan.
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  He's got a very deep voice and a very, he looked mean, like he
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  just had a face where he could look mean and it meant his voice
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  just badged it. But anyway, so when he went to
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  school, he had really long hair and then he dropped out.
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  And I remember one day after school, Logan met me up there
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  because we're going to hang out. And so he came and nobody
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  recognized him because he had no hair.
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  And Dennis was surrounded by his group of people.
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  Dennis always was had a group of people with him.
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  Always. And.
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  Logan knew Dennis but Dennis didn't recognize Logan.
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  And also part of Logan's response or personality is he
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  can be very very loud randomly, just random bursts of energy.
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  And I remember Dennis was talking, minding his own
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  business, talking to his crowd and me and Logan are walking by
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  and Logan's walking by and then looks at Dennis and goes hi
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  fucking Dennis goes. Dennis goes did not recognize
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  Logan at all. Did not know who it was.
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  It was such an awkward exchange and Logan just went about her
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  business and gave Dennis no clarification as to what.
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  Just fucking. Happened.
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  To this day, he still doesn't know what fucking happened, bro.
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  So fucking yeah. I, I when when we did our
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  episode with with Dennis, I was really hoping to be able to tell
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  him and see if he remembered that because it scared the shit.
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  Well, you can bring it up on on the red carpet episode that we
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  do. Yeah, hell yeah, dude.
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  I'm excited about that. I'm we're going.
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  Yeah, we are. We are going because that will
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  have been the weirdest place I've ever cranked my hog, so I'm
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  excited it's on the red carpet. Not whoa, whoa, Jimmy, you're
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  going to get put on a list. Yeah, but it'll get us views.
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  The wrong kind, not wrong. No, no publicity is bad
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  publicity, they say. I would.
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  I think there's a line in there somewhere.
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  It would have to be. Not a milk.
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  Let's see. So we started a little late,
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  late today. Nobody's going to really notice
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  that, but. No.
• 27:55
  The reason why I was late was because I was taking dude to go
• 28:00
  to his new forever home. So dude no longer lives at my
• 28:05
  house. Dude now lives with my buddy
• 28:10
  Murphy who honestly is going to take way better care of Dude
• 28:14
  than I than I do. Like he's got he's got a whole
• 28:21
  room designated to their pets and he's got like 20 something
• 28:31
  tarantulas, which is disgusting. Nope.
• 28:36
  Nope. Fuck.
• 28:37
  That. He's got a boa constrictor just
• 28:41
  like dude. He's got a Burmese Python And
• 28:45
  then a green tree boa and so like their their room is set to
• 28:51
  like 80° year round. So during the summer it gets to
• 28:55
  like 90° and stuff. So dude's going to love it
• 28:58
  because dude has never seen temperatures that high and he's
• 29:02
  supposed to because he's a boa. So like you know, he's got the
• 29:06
  heat lamp, but that's about it. But I keep my house at like 67
• 29:12
  year round. So dude is now about to be like
• 29:16
  just I told him I was like, I'm curious to see what it does to
• 29:19
  his activity if he's going to become more.
• 29:21
  I was like, if he's going to be hungrier all the time, if he's
• 29:24
  going to be way more active. I mean, he's always been an
• 29:26
  active snake, but I'm curious to see if what what changes.
• 29:32
  But then it dawned on me, dude, he might be a 20 year old snake.
• 29:39
  How old was he when you got him? I have no idea.
• 29:44
  See exactly and and and. Dude, that was 14 years ago that
• 29:51
  I got him from you. Holy.
• 29:52
  Shit. Dare you?
• 29:56
  Because I think you gave them to me in 2012.
• 30:00
  That sounds right. Might have been sooner, but
• 30:06
  yeah, so you know, and you don't know how old he was when you got
• 30:11
  him, but like, so they were kind of blown away that he didn't
• 30:15
  grow at all. Yeah, They're going to let me
• 30:18
  know if it's a boy or a girl. They because I never had it
• 30:21
  checked. And I, I just started laughing.
• 30:24
  I was like, dude, how funny would it be if dude was a was,
• 30:27
  was a chick. Can't change his name because
• 30:30
  he's got a mustache. Dude was a babe.
• 30:35
  Yeah, its name become Babe. I don't know if I could do it.
• 30:39
  You know, it's funny though, is like when I was 10, I had this
• 30:42
  turtle. I caught this turtle when it was
• 30:44
  like this big as a painter turtle and my mom still has this
• 30:49
  turtle. Like you know, I was 10 when I
• 30:53
  get when I caught it. I caught it in the lake and I
• 30:56
  kept it as a kid and I named him Mr. Cute because he was the
• 31:00
  cutest bringing little thing, you know, I was 10 years old,
• 31:03
  whatever. So but I was pretty devastated
• 31:07
  with Mr. Cutes. After like 5 years, Mr. Cutes
• 31:10
  laid an egg and I realized that Mister Cutes was Misses Cutes,
• 31:13
  but I couldn't change his name. I just couldn't do it.
• 31:15
  So it's still Mr. Cutes, but Mr. Cutes is is a lady.
• 31:23
  It'd be like that sometimes. Yeah, it do.
• 31:27
  You know. I didn't, I don't, I put boat
• 31:38
  prep on on the list of recap, but really I didn't really do
• 31:44
  much to it yet. It's just coming.
• 31:46
  I'm excited. I've been excited about it.
• 31:48
  And when I was when I was putting uploading the document,
• 31:52
  I was, I was excited. I was charging my batteries at
• 31:56
  work. I took my MY2 batteries in and
• 31:58
  put it on the slow charger and I'm just ready.
• 32:02
  I'm just ready to hit the water and you know, so it's my second
• 32:07
  year with a boat and do the whole boat owner thing, so.
• 32:12
  But yeah. Nice SO.
• 32:17
  And then we can talk about the other one later when we find a
• 32:21
  more organic way to put it in. Cuz I'm, yeah, I've got a
• 32:25
  feeling. I got a feeling that that'll
• 32:28
  happen. Yeah.
• 32:32
  All right. Any saved rounds for the weekly
• 32:34
  recaps? No, I I do have one.
• 32:40
  Something happened today. We had a a water guy come out to
• 32:44
  the house and check our our well system and he informed me that a
• 32:50
  critical piece of the well system is basically not
• 32:53
  functioning. So that's super neat.
• 33:00
  Our hard water is not being remedied by anything in the
• 33:03
  system. So I've got to replace that to
• 33:07
  the tune of like $4600. But you need water.
• 33:15
  So eventually, you know, eventually I'll be debt free
• 33:20
  someday. That's what I keep telling
• 33:21
  myself. And it's starting to sound more
• 33:25
  and more like a lie. So yeah, with that I think.
• 33:31
  That being, I don't. I just fucking hate it.
• 33:36
  But I think that wraps the the weekly recap I am.
• 33:40
  So close to being debt free. I have been aggressively paying
• 33:46
  off credit cards and I found myself in a really bad hole to
• 33:51
  where like my credit score hit like below fives.
• 33:57
  Jeez. Yeah, like I was.
• 34:01
  So I had I had, I was working at this place and they went out of
• 34:10
  business. And so like I started working at
• 34:15
  another place and they told me that basically it was I went to
• 34:19
  go work at a place where they did truck driving.
• 34:24
  You could go drive a truck. And basically what they were
• 34:28
  offering was, yeah, you come work as a dock worker for six
• 34:31
  months and we'll put you in the dock to driver program.
• 34:38
  And basically what that means is you work part time as a dock
• 34:43
  worker on midnights. So you, I, I would literally
• 34:47
  come in at 2:00 in the morning and work until like 8 or 10 in
• 34:53
  the morning and then go home four days a week.
• 34:58
  And it wasn't really a lot of money.
• 35:00
  I and they told me that if I worked there for six months,
• 35:05
  they put me in the doctor driver program to which you would
• 35:08
  automatically jump to like full time at like an extra $4.00 per
• 35:14
  hour, which would have been more money than I was making at the
• 35:17
  job I had before. So I was like, yeah, let's do
• 35:20
  that. I'm going to do that.
• 35:21
  So I go, I worked there for six months and it was so cold, man.
• 35:25
  It was during the, this was a couple years ago too, though,
• 35:28
  but it was so cold. It was during the winter.
• 35:30
  There was 150 dock doors that were always open.
• 35:34
  It literally got so cold inside the building because there was
• 35:37
  no heat that even in my forklift my bottle of water would freeze.
• 35:43
  Like that's how cold it was inside that building.
• 35:46
  Like I was wearing ice fishing pants driving a fricking
• 35:48
  forklift. And so I got, I got to my 6th
• 35:52
  month and I haven't heard anything about this dock to
• 35:58
  driver program. And I knew that there were other
• 36:02
  people. I had started to find out that
• 36:04
  there were other people that were also supposed to go into
• 36:07
  the doctor driver program and they only take one person at a
• 36:11
  time. So I asked the guy before me who
• 36:18
  had two guys ahead of him. I go, how long have you been
• 36:21
  here, man? I'll have been here for a year
• 36:26
  and a half next month. I was like, and you're still
• 36:29
  doing this? And he goes, yeah, So I was
• 36:32
  like, you're still part time. He goes, yes.
• 36:36
  And I was like, how long have the other guys been here?
• 36:41
  And, you know, they were, they had been here for a while too,
• 36:44
  and they still hadn't got. So I had realized that it wasn't
• 36:49
  going my way. So my buddy who worked at a
• 36:53
  warehouse called Jog, which they made a lot of flavorings,
• 36:59
  they've actually make icy and stuff like that.
• 37:03
  I started working there and they more or less did the same thing.
• 37:07
  They brought me on. They're like, yeah,
• 37:09
  unfortunately we'll bring you on for a couple dollars less than
• 37:14
  what you want. And then after your 90 days,
• 37:17
  once you've proved yourself, we'll we'll put you out.
• 37:20
  We'll put you out right where you want to be as long as you
• 37:23
  meet expectations. So I shut their hands and
• 37:26
  everything like that. You know, I do my 90 days and we
• 37:31
  don't do my review. And so I was like, when's my
• 37:34
  review? And they're like, oh, we're
• 37:35
  going to do it. Don't worry.
• 37:36
  We're just this is, we're, we're switching to a new system.
• 37:39
  This is, this is you're the first direct to hire we've done.
• 37:42
  We usually only hire temps like we got to figure out how to do
• 37:45
  it and how to go about it. And I was like, all right, so I
• 37:47
  wait two more weeks. Yeah, it's coming, you know,
• 37:51
  blah, blah, blah. And two more weeks finally.
• 37:54
  It's. So now I'm now, I've been there
• 37:55
  for seven months. I've, I've been there for four
• 37:58
  months. I mean, and I'm sitting there
• 38:02
  with the CFO of the company who's doing my review.
• 38:06
  And basically they're not giving me a raise even though on my
• 38:10
  review I exceeded expectations. And I told the guy I was like,
• 38:15
  listen, man, I came here to work for this raise.
• 38:19
  It's in my it's in my offer letter that after 90 days, I can
• 38:22
  earn up to this dollar amount. And he's like, yeah, but that's
• 38:24
  that's where he's like, you can earn up to that.
• 38:28
  I was like, but you're not changing my pay at all.
• 38:29
  And he's like, no, we're just not seeing it.
• 38:32
  I was like you said, if I met expectations, you would pay me
• 38:34
  where we're at this rate. And he was like, who told you
• 38:38
  that? I was like the guys who I shook
• 38:40
  hands with when I started the job.
• 38:41
  And he looks at me and he goes, you didn't shake my hand.
• 38:45
  And that was his response. So mind you, after working for
• 38:50
  six months at part time, I, I fell into a pretty bad financial
• 38:54
  mess and then not getting paid what I needed to get paid for.
• 39:00
  It ended up being for six months.
• 39:02
  I, I was staying afloat, but barely, but still in debt.
• 39:07
  Like, you know, every like if we got paid every two weeks.
• 39:09
  So unfortunately that second week I was using my credit cards
• 39:14
  to pay for gas or to get groceries, you know, or whatever
• 39:17
  else. Well, anyway, now that I've got
• 39:19
  this new job, I've been here for like 7 months, I've been able to
• 39:22
  stay afloat and keep throwing money at my credit cards.
• 39:28
  Now I'm back up to like the 650 range in my credit score.
• 39:31
  It's gone up because I've, I've brought my, my credits, my
• 39:35
  credit cards down significantly. I'm almost there.
• 39:38
  And once I have that, I get to pay the car car off, which I
• 39:41
  only owe like 8 grand on or something like that still.
• 39:45
  But man, it has been fucking hell.
• 39:49
  Just trying to fight this upward battle of paying off this
• 39:52
  fucking debt, dude. It's nuts.
• 39:56
  Crazy. Yeah, yeah, I feel, yeah.
• 40:00
  And that whole thing you just did, I'm super, super happy for
• 40:05
  you. But just just go ahead and rub
• 40:10
  it in a little bit more, you know?
• 40:13
  I I was just going to be happy for him.
• 40:15
  So fuck you. It's.
• 40:16
  Going to be the snowball method, you know?
• 40:19
  Yeah, pay off 1 card, then pay the next one off.
• 40:24
  And yeah, man, but I mean, hey, you got property.
• 40:31
  I don't. I live in a fucking trailer.
• 40:33
  So you, you have to. You can't be too jealous of me.
• 40:36
  I'm fucking, I'm living Sanford and Sons over here.
• 40:40
  You're fucking planting pine trees.
• 40:45
  Yeah, Yeah. You know what?
• 40:46
  All right, That's fair. You got the Snelly Gaster.
• 40:53
  Fucking Snelly Gaster. Let's jump into this this Ask a
• 40:58
  Vet questionnaire. So then, Jimmy, you put that in
• 41:02
  the notes, so I'll let you run this part of the show.
• 41:05
  But I can hang out one second. I got pissed.
• 41:09
  All right, Gavin's got a piss. So I mean, while you're pissing,
• 41:12
  I can go through. I'll, I'll go through the
• 41:14
  questionnaire and then Gavin, when you get back, we'll, we'll
• 41:18
  do you. Yeah.
• 41:20
  So we, we kind of want to, we, we, we got to get into the meat
• 41:26
  and taters of this, of this, of this podcast, man, we, we, we've
• 41:34
  had, we've, we've, we've done some pretty cool episodes with
• 41:39
  my microphone flying all over the place.
• 41:42
  We had a band on, we had an actor on, you know, we, we did
• 41:47
  have a vet on, which is good. We did a good job there.
• 41:50
  But yeah, it's time to get back into the meat, meat and potatoes
• 41:54
  of this podcast. You know, this whole veteran
• 41:56
  thing. Yeah, no, that's, that's fair.
• 42:00
  But I don't want to start this until Gavin gets back because
• 42:02
  Gavin thinks we're going to go through this whole thing.
• 42:04
  So we can basically be in whatever part of the
• 42:08
  questionnaire we want to be in to get the biggest shock value
• 42:13
  when when Gavin gets back. So we're going to pretend like
• 42:18
  we've gone through this whole thing and we're on the weirdest
• 42:20
  place. You've cranked your hog and I'm
• 42:21
  going to fuck with Gavin. All right, so we'll just.
• 42:25
  And then we'll actually start it when it gets back.
• 42:27
  OK, the only downside is I'm pretty sure Gavin has wireless
• 42:30
  headphones on. He took him off.
• 42:33
  Oh, did he? Yeah, when I saw him take him
• 42:36
  off, that's when I was like, all right, game on, game on.
• 42:40
  Hell yeah. So, So, yeah, fuck, man, It's,
• 42:47
  you know, I, I was looking through the the three Damn dudes
• 42:51
  Gmail account. OK, never mind.
• 42:54
  We'll talk about that later. All right, Hey, I'm just going
• 42:59
  to, I'm just going to run with it.
• 43:01
  So just stay, stay frosty, all right, Weirdest place.
• 43:05
  I've cranked my fucking hog. I mean, so I've told the story
• 43:09
  about being out in 29 Palms, but honestly, like the weirdest
• 43:16
  place. If I look back at all of the
• 43:18
  places now, it would have to be in Gavin's bedroom in his old
• 43:24
  house in Arkansas when he thought I was taking a shit.
• 43:28
  But I went in there and just fucking cranked one out all over
• 43:32
  his top sheet under his comforter.
• 43:35
  Nice. Oh hey, you're back.
• 43:41
  I'm going to say that's fucked up.
• 43:42
  I was wondering why if she took Crusty.
• 43:48
  Yeah, I'm with that, that special glaze, that Pillsbury
• 43:51
  Doughboy glaze as. Caleb, Francis says.
• 43:58
  I get the scared, he comes, but no, we actually didn't do any of
• 44:06
  that. And once I realized you took
• 44:07
  your headphones off and weren't listening to us anymore, we just
• 44:10
  bullshit for 45 seconds. And I decided to make up a story
• 44:15
  about cranking my hog in your bedroom in Arkansas.
• 44:19
  So. So yeah, now that you're back,
• 44:22
  we can actually get into this questionnaire all.
• 44:25
  Right. I'm glad we get to talk about
• 44:28
  this too, because we haven't we so we've, we've been doing this
• 44:31
  for a minute and we have not really touched too much on
• 44:35
  YouTube. So this will be kind of cool for
• 44:38
  the listeners to kind of get to know who the fuck are you guys?
• 44:42
  So that's why I'm excited for this, for this questionnaire.
• 44:46
  So Mike, what what branch were you in?
• 44:50
  I was in the Marine Corps. I, I remember when you, when you
• 44:56
  joined up, man, you, you got a crush on that recruiter, that
• 45:01
  recruiter that got you, you hook line and sinker.
• 45:04
  I never forget how mad I was about that that guy was.
• 45:11
  So are we going to, are we going to bounce back and forth for
• 45:13
  each question or is one guy going to go through the whole
• 45:15
  questionnaire? Do you want to we can we can
• 45:18
  knock both of them out at the same time.
• 45:22
  Let's do that. It works.
• 45:24
  Let's do that, Gavin, what branch were you in?
• 45:27
  I was in the Navy. OK, so Mike, what was your job
• 45:34
  or job? So I know you kind of did a
• 45:36
  couple different things. What was your job in the
• 45:39
  military? So when I started out, I was an
• 45:43
  Intel nerd. And then right around the
• 45:48
  halfway mark in 2018, I jumped ship and went over to cyber.
• 45:54
  Which was it? It was a wild transition to go
• 45:59
  from being like a, a guy on the ground, like doing stuff for
• 46:05
  being direct support to the cool guys that are kicking doors in
• 46:08
  and shit to, you know, like actually fly in a desk and not
• 46:14
  seeing necessarily that direct prettier Labor day-to-day.
• 46:22
  So, oh, hang on a second, boys. Oh hi, I totally forgot.
• 46:36
  Yeah, well, real quick. Yeah, real quick.
• 46:41
  Look how crazy. That's New York at night, boys.
• 46:50
  Wow. Yep.
• 46:53
  And the moon, yeah. You guys don't have one of those
• 46:56
  in Maryland, no. Building.
• 46:58
  Yeah, apparently. Let me call you back in a little
• 47:01
  bit. OK, well, I won't be up here in
• 47:04
  a little bit. All right.
• 47:07
  Well, love you. Bye.
• 47:10
  Bye. Sorry about that.
• 47:16
  So what does it mean that you went cyber?
• 47:22
  What is? What is like without?
• 47:25
  So, So when I moved over in 2018, the Marine Corps was
• 47:32
  really dabbling in the idea of what cyber was.
• 47:36
  And for the majority of the time that I I worked in that field,
• 47:41
  it still really didn't know what it wanted to do with cyber
• 47:45
  outside of the fact that Congress said, hey, branches of
• 47:48
  the military figure out cyber. So I was in a really weird time,
• 47:55
  a really weird era, so to speak, of Marine Corps cyber where they
• 48:00
  were still figuring it out. So everybody was just doing
• 48:03
  whatever they were told to do. Which looking back on it, a lot
• 48:08
  of it like by today's Standard Time now it it's not cyber, it's
• 48:14
  still Intel or it's like sys admin or it's like network
• 48:21
  administration. It's yeah, it was, it was weird.
• 48:24
  So I did really. I did a whole lot of nothing,
• 48:26
  but I had a great time doing it. OK, fair enough.
• 48:32
  Gavin, what was your job or jobs?
• 48:36
  Only had the one job and I was a cryptologic technician
• 48:40
  Maintenance or 2651 as the MOS equivalent and essentially all
• 48:48
  that boiled down to was pretty much anything that ran on
• 48:56
  electricity, if it was used for Intel, cyber, anything like
• 49:02
  that. I was in charge of maintaining
• 49:05
  it, you know, keeping it alive, keeping it up and on the network
• 49:09
  and just making sure that it stayed functioning.
• 49:14
  If anything fucking broke, it was on me to either fix it or
• 49:18
  replace it also. So pretty much kind of like an
• 49:24
  IT, but just more of a Jack of all trades.
• 49:29
  I kind of do all of it. OK.
• 49:37
  How long were you in the Marines for, Mike?
• 49:41
  I was in for 11 years, so 2013 to 2024.
• 49:50
  Thank God dude, I've been trying to get you to get out forever.
• 49:54
  Like, come back to Michigan. It took them telling me I was
• 49:58
  too broke to stay in to Get Me Out so.
• 50:01
  Yeah, you know, so I've noticed that a lot of people, even if
• 50:09
  they don't really want to, they'll re enlist.
• 50:13
  Is it because they throw sick ass bonuses at you if you're re
• 50:17
  enlist? Or if is it that is it that
• 50:20
  you're like not to sound like a Dick?
• 50:23
  Is it because you're afraid? Because you don't know what else
• 50:26
  to do? You don't know what you're going
• 50:27
  to do after you know, Because this is the life you know?
• 50:31
  Is it? I mean, so that that fear that
• 50:34
  even with me getting medically separated, it was still there,
• 50:39
  right? Like I didn't have a choice.
• 50:40
  I was getting out, so I had to figure it out.
• 50:43
  But I distinctly remember a couple times going through the
• 50:47
  process where like, if I wasn't getting forced out and I knew
• 50:51
  like my EAS, my end of active service was coming up, do my
• 50:55
  dumbass probably would have stayed in what, what, what am I
• 51:01
  going to do on the outside? And right, looking back on it,
• 51:03
  that's a really immature and naive train of thought.
• 51:08
  But like going through that moment, that's a scary fucking
• 51:11
  thing because that was the job that I'd done for my entire
• 51:15
  adult life. Like that is the culture that I
• 51:19
  knew and was successful in. And now I've got to go out into
• 51:22
  the real world with real people and try to find something that's
• 51:28
  hopefully similar enough to that where I'm not like H Rs best
• 51:32
  worst friend. So I mean, right, everybody's
• 51:39
  got their reasons for for staying in or getting out.
• 51:43
  But for me personally, like that, that staring into the
• 51:49
  abyss, that fear of the unknown that I can see how that would be
• 51:53
  a hell of a motivator to to stay in for another 4.
• 51:56
  Because you know that you've got a paycheck, you know that you've
• 51:59
  got a job, you know that you're still hanging around the boys
• 52:03
  doing doing goon shit. So.
• 52:10
  Yeah. No, I agree with the.
• 52:12
  I agree, Mike. I think a lot of it, it's just
• 52:17
  kind of not knowing what you want to do.
• 52:21
  And a lot of people push it off where it's like, yeah, no, I've
• 52:26
  got time. I can figure out something on
• 52:28
  the outside and then all of a sudden EAS comes up and they're
• 52:32
  like, well, fuck, I don't have a plan, so I'll just reenlist.
• 52:36
  I'll do one more thing, I'll figure it out.
• 52:39
  But I've seen a lot of guys kind of hit a tipping point where you
• 52:45
  go, OK, I'll do these two and I'll do another one.
• 52:50
  Then by that point, you've got 12 years in and you're like,
• 52:53
  well, fuck, it's only, you know, 8 more years, just two
• 52:58
  reenlistments. Like, might as well just fucking
• 53:01
  stay in, do the full 20. So, I mean, yeah, like you said,
• 53:06
  there's a lot of reasons that go into it, but yeah.
• 53:15
  How? How about you?
• 53:16
  How long were you in for? I was in prep for six years,
• 53:21
  from 2017 to 23. OK.
• 53:31
  Mike, do you have any deployments?
• 53:33
  Yep. So the one, the one actual
• 53:37
  deployment that is recorded as an actual deployment, that was,
• 53:49
  it was my first enlistment went to Iraq and then Afghanistan for
• 53:56
  like I was in theater for about 7 months.
• 53:59
  And then, yeah, I've had, I've had some other trips that looked
• 54:07
  a lot like deployments and a couple trips that looked a lot
• 54:10
  more like TD wise. And yeah, I've, I've been all
• 54:15
  over the place doing, doing some really cool things and doing
• 54:19
  some really fucking stupid things.
• 54:21
  What is a TD? Y it's I hate that I said TDY
• 54:29
  because that's a valid question. So it's it's.
• 54:32
  Kind of like the same thing as like ATAD, which is a temporary
• 54:36
  temporarily assigned duty. So you're going to go do
• 54:40
  something that may or may not be related to your primary job or
• 54:44
  function for a generally a short period of time.
• 54:49
  So for me, if we're going to map that definition of ATAD
• 54:53
  functionally onto ATDY, then I was going somewhere for a short
• 54:58
  period of time to do something that may or may not have been
• 55:03
  directly aligned to my primary roller function.
• 55:12
  So we can just call them work trips because that's basically
• 55:15
  what it is. OK, yeah, I know they've kind of
• 55:20
  sent you all over the place and I know a lot of the lot of times
• 55:24
  you weren't allowed to say where.
• 55:27
  I think one time I was like, where you at?
• 55:29
  And you're like, I can't really say, but there's crabs here or
• 55:31
  some shit like that. You're like, I think you're, I
• 55:35
  think, I think you might have said they have coconut crabs.
• 55:37
  That's literally all I can tell you or some shit like that.
• 55:39
  I don't even know if that's. What you said, Yeah.
• 55:42
  Fuck crabs. It's like, all right, well,
• 55:46
  that's OK. It's warm, I guess.
• 55:48
  And like the best part is I saw one, but it's not like what?
• 55:52
  It's not like the picture that you Google or the picture that
• 55:56
  you when you Google coconut crab like they were, they were small.
• 55:59
  Like, I wasn't really worried about them outside of like,
• 56:03
  yeah, I'm still going to not get super close.
• 56:06
  And that's the one time that I remember, like every corpsman
• 56:10
  that I've ever had on a field exercise saying don't fuck with
• 56:13
  the wildlife. That's like the one time I
• 56:16
  actually listened to that and didn't fuck with the wildlife.
• 56:19
  That makes sense. Why did they tell you not to
• 56:22
  fuck with the dude? I'd be wanting to cook some
• 56:24
  crab, dude. Nope.
• 56:26
  It's because Marines are notorious for fucking with the
• 56:29
  wildlife in ways that they're not intended to.
• 56:33
  Oh, and so right. Keep in mind that a lot of my
• 56:37
  time spent in the field was at Camp Pendleton, and a lot of the
• 56:42
  things on Camp Pendleton can kill you.
• 56:48
  Well, that's fair. On top of that, it's a protected
• 56:51
  nature preserve so if you kill anything then real adults get
• 56:56
  really fucking mad about it. So no, no cooking coconut crabs.
• 57:05
  No, no. No, no.
• 57:08
  Like they shut down rifle range calls, I can't even count how
• 57:12
  many times because deer or bison had wandered onto the range in
• 57:17
  the impact zone so you just had to wait until they fucked off.
• 57:23
  Dude, shooting a bison would be so freaking tempting.
• 57:27
  Do you? I mean obviously not poaching.
• 57:29
  Like not poaching, but my dream hunt is a bison hunt.
• 57:33
  Like that is like like some people are like I want to go
• 57:36
  hunt elk or I want to go hunt a grizzly bear.
• 57:39
  I want to go on a bison hunt, dude.
• 57:41
  Like that's when I'll know that. Like I don't know that that's,
• 57:47
  that's just the 1 hunt that I really, really, really want to
• 57:50
  do. I mean, shooting a shooting a
• 57:53
  bison at a gun range is not really hunting.
• 57:57
  I don't think that that would scratch the itch, but yeah, I
• 58:03
  don't know, just having a freezer full of bison meat would
• 58:05
  be fucking dope. Gavin, did you have any
• 58:09
  deployments? Yeah, just the one dude.
• 58:15
  It's like 4 or five months in Afghanistan in 2020 and other
• 58:21
  than that did quite a few the like TADTA what her T was, but
• 58:31
  only ever had the like one official appointment.
• 58:37
  I couldn't imagine going to Afghanistan or any of them
• 58:43
  countries dude. Like, that is like the sole
• 58:45
  reason, which is such a silly reason, but it is a, that is
• 58:50
  like the main reason why I didn't want to like enroll in
• 58:54
  any military branches is I didn't want to go to Afghanistan
• 59:00
  or Iraq or any of it because it was too fucking hot.
• 59:03
  That's my reasoning. It's too hot.
• 59:05
  You guys got to wear all that gear.
• 59:07
  Fuck that. I'm good.
• 59:09
  That and they have big spiders. I'm terrified of spiders.
• 59:12
  They have huge fucking spiders dude.
• 59:14
  I saw the camel spiders probably only like two or three times
• 59:20
  while I was out there, but that was more than enough for me.
• 59:23
  I fucking hated those things. Yeah, I'm good.
• 59:27
  Like it was like, you know, I like when in high school, like
• 59:32
  Call of Duty was sweet. So like we were everybody like
• 59:35
  thought going in the military was cool.
• 59:37
  You know, we always had, we always had a dude from the Air
• 59:40
  Force or the Navy or the Marines, which like I said, Mike
• 59:45
  fell in love with the Marine recruiter.
• 59:46
  We had guys from the Army and shit like that always in our
• 59:49
  lunchroom. So they always had like cool
• 59:51
  gear like that you could have, and like brochures and shit, you
• 59:55
  know, trying to sell it to you, you know, and I just couldn't do
• 59:58
  it. I, I didn't want to go somewhere
• 1:00:00
  hot, which is such a silly reason, but that that that was
• 1:00:05
  my reasoning. And so I couldn't, I couldn't
• 1:00:11
  imagine. I'm pretty sure I already know
• 1:00:16
  your favorite military movie, Mike.
• 1:00:19
  I'm pretty sure. Like we've covered it, I.
• 1:00:24
  Think we have? I don't remember what I said.
• 1:00:27
  I'd be curious to go back and open to what I said before.
• 1:00:29
  I would assume it's range 15. That's what I would assume.
• 1:00:35
  Damn, damn. Did you watch that?
• 1:00:40
  No, not yet. I didn't even realize you
• 1:00:43
  emailed it to us until like, what was it yesterday?
• 1:00:45
  When? When Gavin's like bro, I just
• 1:00:47
  realized you emailed it to us. It's like it's on fucking prime
• 1:00:52
  dude. Gavin, what's your favorite
• 1:00:57
  military movie? What was Brain 15 Mike's answer?
• 1:01:04
  I mean, for all intents and purposes, it basically can be.
• 1:01:08
  Unless you have a. Serious answer if you have a
• 1:01:11
  serious. If you want a serious answer it
• 1:01:12
  would probably be dude like a top one that's that's hard.
• 1:01:24
  So like flags of our fathers, fantastic movie, captures the
• 1:01:29
  Marines moving through the Pacific in World War 2.
• 1:01:38
  Act of Valor that's another solid fucking movie and that
• 1:01:42
  captures more of the like Tier 1 operations in the G Watt like
• 1:01:49
  totally probably made-up storyline right, but still a
• 1:01:55
  fantastic movie. That one that one gets me in the
• 1:01:59
  feels. So I've got to I got to watch
• 1:02:02
  that one like once every four or five years and then, you know,
• 1:02:09
  if I had to pick a number one, it'd be Black Hawk Down.
• 1:02:14
  It's that one gets me every time, but I don't space it out.
• 1:02:18
  I just, I feel the feels because it's probably healthy to feel
• 1:02:21
  those things. So Black Hawk Down is probably
• 1:02:25
  #1. Solid choices.
• 1:02:30
  How about you? I think my favorite military
• 1:02:36
  movie would have to be Jarhead. It's just it's too damn funny
• 1:02:44
  not to. That's fair.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah. I figured the Navy guy would
• 1:02:52
  have picked battleship. See, I remember in high school,
• 1:03:02
  like going to my recruiter's office and they battleship had
• 1:03:07
  come out a couple of years prior or something like that.
• 1:03:10
  So I had a big ass fucking movie poster in the office to, you
• 1:03:15
  know, try to be like, hey, look this cool shit like you get to
• 1:03:18
  do shit like this. You can fight aliens.
• 1:03:22
  And then you get into the Navy and everybody's like, this is
• 1:03:26
  the stupidest fucking movie I've ever seen.
• 1:03:30
  But if we want to speak on the like naval movies, Hunt for Red
• 1:03:38
  October, yeah, that's that one's up there too.
• 1:03:43
  That's a really good one and any any submariners I've talked to
• 1:03:49
  said that movie is insanely accurate for how things were so.
• 1:04:02
  Kind of fucking type. Yeah.
• 1:04:07
  There was I'm trying to find out who it was, but there was a
• 1:04:11
  there was a guest on on Joe Rogan and basically they were he
• 1:04:18
  was a Navy SEAL and that was Andy Stumpf.
• 1:04:25
  He he was like, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, what
• 1:04:28
  movie actually surprisingly got it right, like every like just
• 1:04:33
  got everything right about being a Navy SEAL and Joe Rogan's
• 1:04:38
  like, no, what? He's like the movie Navy Seal's
• 1:04:41
  with Charlie Sheen and Joe Rogan's like really?
• 1:04:46
  He goes, no, dude, that movie fucking sucked or something like
• 1:04:49
  that. I don't know.
• 1:04:50
  But it was funny. It was just hilarious because he
• 1:04:52
  was he was kidding, but yeah, he was.
• 1:04:57
  So that kind of the what's your favorite military movie?
• 1:05:00
  The whole time I'm I'm trying to like remember like that quote
• 1:05:03
  because it was pretty fucking funny.
• 1:05:06
  All right, So what was I don't, I don't, we might have talked
• 1:05:11
  about this with you, but let's let's do it again.
• 1:05:13
  What was your first day in the service like?
• 1:05:16
  Like your first day on base and then or your first day in boot
• 1:05:20
  camp. So my first day in boot camp was
• 1:05:24
  like 36 hours long. No, no, it was like 96 hours
• 1:05:36
  long. So hang on before before you
• 1:05:38
  die. So what is that like?
• 1:05:41
  So you're, you're fresh out of high school, right?
• 1:05:46
  And I'm assuming I'm assuming mom and dad drive you to the
• 1:05:49
  airport, right? No, they drive you to MEPs and
• 1:05:54
  drop you off in a hotel and then you get on a bus at the hotel
• 1:06:00
  and they take you to the airport and from the airport, you guys
• 1:06:05
  all yeah. So what is that like?
• 1:06:08
  Getting on the bus for the first time?
• 1:06:10
  What is that like? So like the bus to the airport,
• 1:06:14
  right? You're like, well, all right,
• 1:06:16
  we're doing this. This is it.
• 1:06:18
  We're all right. We're fucking going there's.
• 1:06:22
  Nobody yelling at you yet? Nope.
• 1:06:24
  OK. You're just on a bus.
• 1:06:26
  OK Yep, I'm on a bus leaving Troy, MI.
• 1:06:30
  Was this kind of the same for you Gavin too?
• 1:06:35
  Yeah. No, for the most part it's all
• 1:06:37
  pretty standardized there. OK, So you get up on the bus,
• 1:06:42
  they take you to the airport, I'm assuming they have your
• 1:06:45
  tickets already. And then are you flying with
• 1:06:52
  regular people or is it just a? You know, you're a you're a
• 1:06:57
  regular commercial flight. OK.
• 1:07:00
  And you're just going to whatever state your your, your,
• 1:07:04
  your camps at? Yep.
• 1:07:06
  Which was yours was what? What?
• 1:07:08
  Where were you? Where was your first base?
• 1:07:12
  The so that flight would have dropped me off in in South
• 1:07:18
  Carolina and then we would have gotten from the airport onto
• 1:07:23
  that bus and driven to MCRD Parris Island.
• 1:07:28
  What's that bus like? Oh.
• 1:07:32
  Man, you know it's, it's fine until, until you get there.
• 1:07:38
  So right, you you're all sitting normal fucking white school bus
• 1:07:45
  and you go through the gate and everybody looks fucking pissed
• 1:07:49
  off because it's dark outside and nobody knows what the fuck's
• 1:07:53
  going on. And you just got a bunch of
• 1:07:55
  dumbass 18 to 28 year olds in a bus.
• 1:08:00
  And then some angry dude with a stupid hat gets on and he starts
• 1:08:05
  fucking screaming at everybody. What's he screaming?
• 1:08:11
  I do, I don't remember some like welcome fucking.
• 1:08:15
  You're going to do what I tell you to and you're going to do it
• 1:08:17
  exactly what I fucking tell you to do it.
• 1:08:19
  So when I say move, you're going to get off this fucking bus,
• 1:08:21
  you're going to get off my God damn bus, you're going to get on
• 1:08:23
  my fucking yellow footprints. You're going to fucking stand
• 1:08:25
  there and then you will be told what to do.
• 1:08:29
  So when he says go, everybody fucking gets up and gets on
• 1:08:33
  yellow footprints. And that, that is like the
• 1:08:36
  moment where it got fucking real, is standing on those
• 1:08:40
  yellow footprints just like, oh fuck, Oh no, Oh no, what have I
• 1:08:47
  done? This is it.
• 1:08:50
  See that's. And then hang out, look out.
• 1:08:53
  Three days of let. Gavin, go for a second.
• 1:08:56
  I. Was going to say that's, that's
• 1:08:58
  weird because you had RTC Great Lakes, which is north of
• 1:09:09
  Chicago, right? So everybody's flying into
• 1:09:13
  O'Hare in Chicago. We were getting yelled at in the
• 1:09:16
  fucking airport like you were giving this back.
• 1:09:20
  It would told you like where to be after your flight lands.
• 1:09:24
  And there's just this back section of the sorry, this is
• 1:09:35
  just this back section of the airport.
• 1:09:40
  And there were, I'd say, like 60 to 80 of us maybe, but it was
• 1:09:49
  actually, you had to sit down and like this giant fucking
• 1:09:52
  square and just wait. But these fucking recruiters or
• 1:09:58
  whoever they were at the time, they were either like readers
• 1:10:03
  helping out or they were coming from like RTC.
• 1:10:08
  You were getting yelled at in the fucking airport.
• 1:10:10
  You know, I'd sit down, shut the fuck up, sub straight, and then
• 1:10:15
  they would start following you on the buses to go over to base.
• 1:10:20
  But we're getting yelled at on the bus.
• 1:10:22
  Like as soon as we got out of the airport and ours actually
• 1:10:29
  had like these little fucking screens that came down and it
• 1:10:32
  was just a pre recorded like welcoming greetings and you
• 1:10:38
  know, all the motivational shit from whoever was the commander
• 1:10:44
  of the fucking base at the time and the head of that.
• 1:10:49
  So it's just weird. Like we're getting yelled at in
• 1:10:51
  the middle of the fucking airport by some angry dudes so.
• 1:11:00
  All right, Mike, where were you were?
• 1:11:02
  So you're on the yellow, you're on the yellow footprints.
• 1:11:06
  Yeah, and that started 3 days of basically receiving.
• 1:11:10
  So lots of filling out paperwork, lots of lots of just
• 1:11:17
  queuing up in lines and having no fucking idea what you're
• 1:11:20
  there for. But like getting your uniforms,
• 1:11:22
  getting your hair cut, filling out fucking initial intake
• 1:11:26
  paperwork and the moment of truth.
• 1:11:29
  That was a fun one where they put everybody in a room and
• 1:11:31
  they're like, hey, you're here now.
• 1:11:32
  This is your last chance. If you lied about fucking any.
• 1:11:36
  If you fucking lied about fucking anything, raise your
• 1:11:40
  hand and we'll see what we can do to fix it.
• 1:11:45
  So yeah. Did anybody raise your hand?
• 1:11:49
  Oh, yeah, there's, there's always people that raise their
• 1:11:52
  hand is what they do is right before that, like in the
• 1:11:55
  briefing room, they're like, they go over the penalty for
• 1:11:59
  like false enlistment. Yeah, and you just scare
• 1:12:03
  everybody into fucking spilling their guts.
• 1:12:05
  So there's always onesies and twosies that raise their hand
• 1:12:09
  and some of those guys don't come back.
• 1:12:13
  Like what are some things that you would lie about?
• 1:12:16
  Like what are? What are Like what?
• 1:12:18
  I would. Imagine most commonly would be
• 1:12:21
  like your your drug usage or marijuana usage.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah, drug usage or like even like prescription use usage if
• 1:12:33
  like you had ADHD as a kid but you stopped taking meds for you
• 1:12:39
  and they're like, well, that's one that will do where they'll
• 1:12:45
  like, hey, we can't find it in your medical record.
• 1:12:48
  Like just don't say anything about it.
• 1:12:51
  So it's shit like that. OK, so when your bus arrives,
• 1:13:05
  Gavin, what's that like? 100% honest with you, it's kind
• 1:13:12
  of a fucking blur, 'cause I was up for like two or three days
• 1:13:17
  straight and a lot of that I just don't fucking remember
• 1:13:22
  'cause my brain was on autopilot.
• 1:13:26
  But we didn't have footprints. That's a that's a marine thing.
• 1:13:31
  But you know, you get out, you're don't go stand on this
• 1:13:34
  line and just wait. Do that.
• 1:13:39
  You get rushed inside and then it's one giant long ass fucking
• 1:13:45
  hallway. So they line everybody up in it
• 1:13:48
  facing each other like, all right, take off all your fucking
• 1:13:52
  jackets. If you got backpack, fucking
• 1:13:53
  drop it beneath your feet. And then they're like, OK, cool.
• 1:14:00
  You have two minutes to make a single phone call.
• 1:14:03
  You will only explicitly stay. My name is so and so I've made
• 1:14:08
  it to this place. I am doing fine.
• 1:14:11
  I will talk to you in whenever I talk to you next.
• 1:14:15
  I love you. And if you deviate from that,
• 1:14:20
  you had like while you're on the phone, you're calling your
• 1:14:23
  parents, wives, husband, whatever, at like 2:00 in the
• 1:14:28
  morning, waking him up and you try say anything other than that
• 1:14:33
  And you've got somebody that comes runs up on you just start
• 1:14:36
  screaming in your face while you're on the phone.
• 1:14:39
  These people that you know you're loving, they're worried
• 1:14:41
  about you. It's a great fucking first
• 1:14:45
  example, But you start getting, you know, the same thing.
• 1:14:50
  You start getting ushered into all these different classrooms,
• 1:14:53
  filling out a bunch of fuck forms, getting your hair cut,
• 1:14:56
  getting all your fucking uniforms like that.
• 1:15:00
  Those first that it's like the first week, we call them P days,
• 1:15:04
  processing days. They're all kind of universal,
• 1:15:07
  so. OK, what was something that you
• 1:15:18
  weren't prepared for at all? Like something that took you off
• 1:15:23
  guard. I want to reword this question
• 1:15:28
  in the future. But like, you know, obviously
• 1:15:33
  when you enlisted, you had a general idea of what you thought
• 1:15:38
  it was going to be like. And I would it's it would only
• 1:15:42
  be natural that shit didn't at all match up actually with what
• 1:15:48
  you thought it was going to be like.
• 1:15:50
  So, like, what was the first thing that kind of took you off
• 1:15:54
  guard? Mike, you go first.
• 1:16:00
  Gavin, you're going to love this.
• 1:16:02
  So I, I get to my first unit, I get to my platoon that I'm going
• 1:16:08
  to be with for the majority of the time I'm there.
• 1:16:10
  So this is Fast forward and kind of a couple months into my first
• 1:16:14
  unit, but the, the platoon Sergeant, he's a, he's an E6
• 1:16:20
  staff Sergeant, been around for a while.
• 1:16:24
  This dude had three ribbons. He had three fucking ribbons.
• 1:16:34
  What that is indicative of is that he had functionally not
• 1:16:39
  done anything, but still got to the rank of staff Sergeant.
• 1:16:50
  For example, when I was a staff Sergeant, I had 11, I had 11
• 1:17:01
  ribbons as a staff Sergeant and most of those meant nothing, but
• 1:17:07
  I I had AG Watt and I had campaign medals.
• 1:17:12
  So I had, at least based on my ribbon rack, I had been places
• 1:17:16
  and done things. This guy had none of that.
• 1:17:20
  And he was the guy that I was supposed to look up to and
• 1:17:23
  emulate and the guy that was in charge of me.
• 1:17:27
  So that that threw me for a fucking loop.
• 1:17:36
  Gavin, how about you? I think mine was just the sheer
• 1:17:48
  fucking stupidity of the people that were in the service 'cause.
• 1:17:55
  You know, the people that enlisted or the people that were
• 1:17:57
  already there. Oh, like the people that were
• 1:18:02
  already there, 'cause whether you had fuck two years and
• 1:18:06
  you're 16, like the best quote is like, they were some of the
• 1:18:15
  dumbest smart people I've ever fucking worked with 'cause I
• 1:18:19
  went in expecting like at least a decent level competency.
• 1:18:25
  And then you get in, you realize that's not the fucking case.
• 1:18:28
  Everybody's just fucking stupid. Yet we're the ones that are
• 1:18:33
  trusted with multimillion dollar toys and weapons and shit like
• 1:18:38
  that. So yeah.
• 1:18:44
  Hi, babe. OK, let's see what was the first
• 1:18:54
  thing, Not the first thing. What is a moment in all of your
• 1:19:02
  time in the service that made you realize that the world could
• 1:19:05
  be a dark place? Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  I don't like being on this end of that question.
• 1:19:26
  Like it's fine when we ask our guests that question.
• 1:19:28
  I don't like when I get asked that question.
• 1:19:36
  I mean I. Imagine this would be one of
• 1:19:38
  those questions that could potentially be really hard,
• 1:19:42
  Yeah. But this is this is a question
• 1:19:46
  that you know, it is important. It's especially.
• 1:19:52
  Yeah, I know 100%. Especially with us being like
• 1:19:55
  where we want to focus on like mental health and stuff like
• 1:19:58
  that. Like obviously if it's something
• 1:20:02
  really, really bad, you know, don't share if you don't, but
• 1:20:07
  yeah. But if you can, please do you
• 1:20:15
  know cuz. I.
• 1:20:16
  Mean, right there were, there were a handful of things that
• 1:20:19
  happened on my first appointment where I was like, oh, fuck, you
• 1:20:24
  just kind of have that, that realization that like, Oh yeah,
• 1:20:27
  these, these folks here that were that were fighting, they,
• 1:20:32
  they actually want to kill me. They, they want me dead.
• 1:20:37
  So I mean, there's a handful of instances of that, but I mean
• 1:20:44
  it, it would probably have to be in line with like the first
• 1:20:48
  couple of friends that I lost to, to suicide.
• 1:20:55
  They're really just not even friends are pretty early in my
• 1:21:01
  career there was, there was somebody that they killed
• 1:21:09
  themselves right before Christmas and right, it didn't
• 1:21:16
  matter who you were in the unit at that point in time, like
• 1:21:20
  every, everybody felt it. And that was like the
• 1:21:23
  introduction to Oh yeah, fuck, that's, that's a thing.
• 1:21:28
  That's a thing that happens. And it, it pretty immediately
• 1:21:35
  kicked off the spiral of like, and not necessarily for me,
• 1:21:40
  because, right, I'd, I'd been there since fucking breakfast
• 1:21:43
  basically, but a lot of the other guys were like, fuck, OK,
• 1:21:47
  what did I miss? And really taking that one
• 1:21:51
  personal. And that was just the first one.
• 1:21:59
  So yeah, for me it's probably the the friends that I've lost
• 1:22:03
  who didn't see another way out of whatever they were in.
• 1:22:17
  Yeah, that's fuck, dude. That's a, that's a hard one.
• 1:22:29
  That's a, it's a really probably like the most, one of the
• 1:22:37
  saddest things I can think of is just, you know, people who
• 1:22:40
  really felt like, like, I really wish that things were better.
• 1:22:44
  Like I, I wish that, I wish that our military did a better job at
• 1:22:48
  helping people cope with some stuff, have better tools, have
• 1:22:53
  better, you know, we, we, we talked about this before.
• 1:22:57
  Like, if you've got a guy who can't talk about certain things
• 1:23:03
  because he's literally not allowed to, how's he going to
• 1:23:07
  get the help that he needs if he can't talk about the stuff he's
• 1:23:09
  seen, you know? And see, I can't even fully put
• 1:23:14
  the blame on on the service or on the entity for that one.
• 1:23:18
  Like, right, having having been the guy that thankfully is still
• 1:23:23
  here, but having been in that fucking place, if I didn't want
• 1:23:30
  anyone to know, nobody would have fucking known you and
• 1:23:35
  nobody knew until way after the fact, right?
• 1:23:40
  So right, like it the, the suicide awareness and suicide
• 1:23:46
  prevention courses and training that are currently there.
• 1:23:50
  I mean, they're, they're a good halfway crack at getting after
• 1:23:55
  the problem. But like, at the end of the day,
• 1:24:00
  if I don't, if I don't want you guys to know that after this
• 1:24:04
  episode wraps, I'm going to walk upstairs and suck, start my
• 1:24:06
  fucking shotgun. Guess what, you're not going to
• 1:24:09
  fucking know you're not. So it that's a tough one.
• 1:24:21
  And right, like I said, that's it's not entirely fair to to put
• 1:24:26
  that blame exclusively on the service because I mean, there's
• 1:24:30
  there's any number of bad reasons that individuals choose
• 1:24:34
  to to cease. Yeah, but.
• 1:24:40
  More often than not, it's like what?
• 1:24:42
  What I found in my experience is right.
• 1:24:46
  We can talk about the warning signs, we can talk about the
• 1:24:48
  indicators, but if none of those indicators happen, I'm reliant
• 1:24:53
  on my personal relationships and being known as a guy that you
• 1:24:59
  can fucking go to with whatever the fuck is going on.
• 1:25:01
  And I'm going to help you. I'm going to do everything in my
• 1:25:05
  power to get you fucking through it, whatever that takes.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah. Like knowing that you have
• 1:25:10
  somebody in your corner and on your side that's got your back,
• 1:25:14
  that's got your fucking 6, regardless of what the situation
• 1:25:16
  is. That's what I found to be the
• 1:25:19
  most effective thing. And for me, it's that was a lot
• 1:25:29
  of like the back end after I was already in that place and not
• 1:25:34
  being afraid to talk about the fact that I've been there, not
• 1:25:41
  letting the stigma prevent me from telling the guys that I was
• 1:25:44
  around, the guys that I trusted or the guys that I was in charge
• 1:25:47
  of, that I'm a human and shit got fucking dark.
• 1:25:51
  But I'm still here. So it doesn't have to be the
• 1:25:55
  fucking end. You don't have to pick that way
• 1:25:58
  out. The there's a life to live after
• 1:26:03
  this suck that you're currently going through is over.
• 1:26:07
  So like being one, like for for me being an example of it, but
• 1:26:13
  also like at the end of the day, just being a dude that people
• 1:26:17
  can fucking talk to. Which hopefully, hopefully
• 1:26:27
  there's a ton of listeners who are willing to be that dude for
• 1:26:30
  somebody, you know, just like the three of us, we're willing
• 1:26:34
  to be that dude for any of our homies.
• 1:26:37
  You know, it's, yeah, it's, it's just one of those it's, it's one
• 1:26:51
  of those things that's very hard to hard to talk about, you know,
• 1:26:55
  because it's such a dark topic. It's such a sad, you know,
• 1:27:01
  feeling, you know, we all know people who have taken that route
• 1:27:07
  and that we wish they wouldn't have.
• 1:27:08
  And fuck, dude, like I wish I could have been, you know, we,
• 1:27:12
  we, we've, we've talked about this already, episode 1, you
• 1:27:15
  know, fuck, like what if I, what if I would have reached out to
• 1:27:24
  Devin about hunting, you know, and, and bid and been the older
• 1:27:30
  brother figure to him that I was when we were little, you know,
• 1:27:36
  because obviously as we became adults, we, we, we shifted
• 1:27:39
  apart. I hadn't seen them since I was
• 1:27:42
  in high school, you know, I was 14 years ago, you know, what if
• 1:27:49
  you know, that's the type of shit like that.
• 1:27:51
  So like be there for your homies, like and make sure your
• 1:27:53
  homies know that you're there, you know, which is ultimately
• 1:27:59
  this right here is why we do what we do.
• 1:28:04
  It's because that's important to get that out.
• 1:28:06
  You know, be there for somebody, you know, if, if you don't have
• 1:28:10
  somebody, you know, you know, we, we got you, you know, just
• 1:28:18
  like, you know, like, fuck, let's try to chug through these.
• 1:28:26
  Gavin, how about you? Same question.
• 1:28:31
  Honestly, I'm going to say we just moved excellent.
• 1:28:34
  Mine's kind of in line with mics and I can't really put words to
• 1:28:40
  that feather. And he just did so.
• 1:28:42
  Yeah, it was. It was a honestly, it was a.
• 1:28:47
  It wasn't the style of, it wasn't the type of answer I was
• 1:28:51
  expecting, but it was a good answer to give.
• 1:28:54
  And it was like. I said.
• 1:28:57
  It hit on what we're all about. I was not expecting that to be
• 1:29:00
  the answer, so let's let's go on a more positive note.
• 1:29:05
  Do this next question, I'll be right back.
• 1:29:08
  What is the coolest thing that you got to do in the military?
• 1:29:13
  Oof, The coolest thing. I mean, there's a handful of
• 1:29:16
  super fucking cool things, right?
• 1:29:18
  Like in Marine combat training, I got to throw a grenade.
• 1:29:22
  That was fucking sick, right? That was pretty early in my
• 1:29:25
  career. But that that was, that was
• 1:29:27
  fucking sick. Like I threw a fucking grenade.
• 1:29:30
  Like that's cool. I don't care who you are.
• 1:29:33
  Like they say cool guys don't look at explosions.
• 1:29:36
  They fucking do. I promise you they do.
• 1:29:39
  And I'm not cool, but they do. All right, So it was right,
• 1:29:46
  throwing your grenade or like shooting, shooting at 240B or
• 1:29:52
  shooting a fucking Ma deuce, like all of these things.
• 1:29:58
  Like I, I knew when I signed my contract that I was going to be
• 1:30:01
  a fucking nerd. Yeah, so right, I had no, no
• 1:30:04
  fucking ideas of grandeur that I was going to be a grunt kicking
• 1:30:08
  doors in or like in a support by fire position, lobbing fucking
• 1:30:12
  mortars or laying down suppressive fire with a fucking
• 1:30:16
  crew service weapon system, right.
• 1:30:18
  That, that wasn't going to be me at any point unless shit went
• 1:30:22
  horrifically fucking sideways. But yeah, like I, I've had a, a
• 1:30:30
  fucking absolutely incredible career in uniform.
• 1:30:34
  And like, there's, there's a lot of a lot of just straight up
• 1:30:39
  cool shit that I've had the opportunity to do.
• 1:30:44
  But like really just the some of the folks that I've worked with
• 1:30:50
  throughout those eleven years and some of the guys that I
• 1:30:52
  still keep in touch with from all over the place, all sorts of
• 1:30:55
  different branches and occupational fields.
• 1:30:59
  Like that's that's probably the the cooler part of it is like
• 1:31:04
  keeping in touch and keeping tabs on what those guys are
• 1:31:06
  doing and and where they're at, where they're going, what
• 1:31:09
  they're getting into professionally, personally, like
• 1:31:12
  all those things. But yeah, to to lock down a a
• 1:31:17
  coolest. I think it would be the time
• 1:31:20
  that I got to watch AI. Think it was in FF16 or 18.
• 1:31:29
  Set up on an east to West gun run right behind an A10 warthog.
• 1:31:36
  So the warthog comes in and like fucking hits the target and
• 1:31:40
  immediately behind that like seconds later you see fucking
• 1:31:44
  ordinance dropped from another aircraft.
• 1:31:48
  Just fucking decimate the target so that that's probably the one
• 1:31:53
  that sticks out the most. That and I watched A1 legged man
• 1:31:56
  climb a ladder and then fall down said ladder.
• 1:32:01
  That was that was cool in a different kind of way.
• 1:32:05
  But yeah. I'm trying so I don't remember
• 1:32:16
  who it was and it might. I don't.
• 1:32:19
  I don't think it was you. It might have been though.
• 1:32:22
  But it also might have been my buddy Jack.
• 1:32:26
  I remember somebody sent me a Snapchat and I don't think there
• 1:32:31
  was a gun on it because he was in the States, but there might
• 1:32:35
  have been a gun on it. They were rolling around.
• 1:32:39
  They were driving on the streets, main streets with
• 1:32:43
  civilians and shit in BT Rs. And they had a drive through in
• 1:32:50
  the BT Rs. Yeah.
• 1:32:53
  And he was, he was like, I, I don't remember if there was a
• 1:32:56
  gun on it, but he was out of it. Was it was he was out of the
• 1:32:59
  hole in the on the roof. You know how they got the where
• 1:33:01
  he come up on the gun and stuff? He was in that hole, which is
• 1:33:04
  why I don't remember if there was a gun or not, but he was
• 1:33:07
  standing out of it. He was basically doing a selfie
• 1:33:10
  of them like hitting the freaking drive through of
• 1:33:13
  McDonald's and BT Rs. OK, hang on, hang on a second.
• 1:33:17
  Because Because words mean things.
• 1:33:21
  This vehicle that he was in you say, you say BTRBTR is a a
• 1:33:31
  Russian in country vehicle. All right, all right.
• 1:33:36
  So was it a striker or was it an LAV?
• 1:33:40
  Keep it right. Hang on.
• 1:33:41
  Let me see. All right, hang on.
• 1:33:42
  Let me. They reminded me of a of a BTR.
• 1:33:45
  That's what it looked like to me.
• 1:33:46
  All right, OK, I. It was like a BTR.
• 1:33:48
  I know Battlefield 4 at the time, right?
• 1:33:51
  So that's what I contributed to. OK.
• 1:33:54
  So for the listeners, I guess, all right, that's what it looked
• 1:33:57
  like, but it was more. What branch was your buddy in?
• 1:34:05
  Marines. Is it was probably an an LAV.
• 1:34:10
  Let me see. Hang on.
• 1:34:10
  It's. Probably.
• 1:34:16
  OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:34:18
  yeah. Yeah, not not a not a Russian
• 1:34:21
  BTR. Looks.
• 1:34:22
  It was very likely and it looks. Like the same God damn thing,
• 1:34:27
  only this. One, it was built to fuck up
• 1:34:30
  BTRS. All right.
• 1:34:31
  Well, that's fair. That's fair.
• 1:34:32
  OK, same but better American. How's that?
• 1:34:36
  You're God damn right. God fucking bless.
• 1:34:39
  Me. All right, our.
• 1:34:44
  Russian listeners are going to love this section of our that
• 1:34:49
  we're doing right now. Olivia's.
• 1:34:51
  Shit. Gavin, what is the coolest thing
• 1:34:56
  you got to do in the military? Oh fuck.
• 1:35:02
  That's kind of hard to narrow down because you end up just
• 1:35:06
  doing a ton of cool shit. I think the coolest thing you
• 1:35:15
  got to do was I was invited to a town hall when I was at my first
• 1:35:23
  duty station still, and I got to go and attend that.
• 1:35:28
  And the keynote speaker was Colin Powell.
• 1:35:33
  So that was a really cool and fuck, what's the word for it?
• 1:35:42
  It was just a really cool fucking experience.
• 1:35:45
  Get the see him and listen to kind of like the motivational
• 1:35:53
  speech and advice that he was giving out.
• 1:35:56
  And I was young at this point. I only been in like one or two
• 1:36:02
  years, so it was insane kind of getting that perspective like
• 1:36:08
  right off the bat come from someone like that.
• 1:36:19
  Apparently our Russian family has skyrocketed.
• 1:36:24
  I don't like that, do not like that.
• 1:36:29
  I like it. We're bringing the world
• 1:36:31
  together dude. Not worth 3.
• 1:36:33
  Damn dude. Save the world bro.
• 1:36:36
  I mean the the first movie is 3 dudes save America.
• 1:36:39
  That's that's number two. You think Russia.
• 1:36:44
  Do you think Dennis can play like an international super
• 1:36:48
  villain? I mean, I guess as long as we
• 1:36:50
  don't kill him in the first movie.
• 1:36:52
  His actions there, remember. He's.
• 1:36:56
  He can definitely pull it off. Yeah, isn't he so?
• 1:36:58
  For for the listeners. Words.
• 1:37:07
  It's not Armenian. I think he's Romanian.
• 1:37:10
  That sounds right guys. That was 1 fucking episode and
• 1:37:14
  go what the? Fuck, he's already, he's already
• 1:37:17
  international bro. Like he's got it, and if so, his
• 1:37:22
  dad can do it. On on that note, oh, we killed
• 1:37:27
  Dennis and then we cast his dad. Say we kill his dad.
• 1:37:35
  No, no, we cannot kill George. George is a God damn American
• 1:37:42
  hero. I agree.
• 1:37:47
  But but for the listeners, so Spotify gives us the breakout of
• 1:37:51
  analytics, right? So time now 98% of our listeners
• 1:37:58
  are from the good old USA, 1.3% are from Russia and .7 are from
• 1:38:11
  the UK. So that comment about our
• 1:38:14
  Russian listeners are going to love our our BTRLAV back and
• 1:38:19
  forth. I mean they're probably going to
• 1:38:21
  hate the fact that we said the LA VS better, but it's it's
• 1:38:24
  better get fucked. I don't know what to tell you,
• 1:38:28
  but but yeah. And the best part, if I click on
• 1:38:32
  the Russian portion of our listeners, 100% of our listeners
• 1:38:37
  from Russia are in Moscow. So what up Moscow?
• 1:38:44
  It's the three damn dudes. That makes me happy.
• 1:38:48
  Oh I'm glad it makes you happy. It makes my butt hole fucker.
• 1:38:56
  It doesn't make me happy as we got them freaking some fucking
• 1:39:03
  Brits listening dude fucking with the taxes and shit.
• 1:39:09
  Baked beans are not breakfast food.
• 1:39:11
  I don't know who needs to fucking hear this.
• 1:39:12
  They're not. But it is not.
• 1:39:15
  It does not belong on the breakfast menu.
• 1:39:18
  I'm sorry, it doesn't. They were.
• 1:39:23
  Are they that mad about the 4th of July that they eat beans
• 1:39:26
  every day? I've never been bullied so hard
• 1:39:30
  then fucking in a Gears of War 2 lobby on Xbox Live by the
• 1:39:33
  fucking British kids bro them hearing me with my Michigan
• 1:39:40
  accent. Then the first thing that goes
• 1:39:42
  9/11, 911 and I'm like Oh my God, Jesus.
• 1:39:49
  And it was still relatively fresh at the time.
• 1:39:52
  I'm like, Oh my God. How's that Article 5 treating
• 1:39:58
  you boys? Right.
• 1:40:01
  All right, we already did the crank and the hog thing.
• 1:40:16
  We can. Honestly, if you want we can
• 1:40:17
  just wrap it up the questionnaire part.
• 1:40:21
  I mean I. Have any super?
• 1:40:23
  I think there's a, there's a point to make and I I'm fine
• 1:40:27
  with soloing those next two questions, but as far as an
• 1:40:32
  extremely memorable experience that makes me miss being active
• 1:40:35
  and makes me glad I'm no longer active.
• 1:40:40
  There's not really a specific thing.
• 1:40:42
  It's all of the time spent like out in the field or deployed or
• 1:40:46
  TAD or TDY, just with the boys doing, doing dude shit, right?
• 1:40:54
  Like that's what I miss is I miss the dudes from all of my
• 1:40:58
  duty stations. I don't miss any of the jobs
• 1:41:02
  necessarily. I don't miss any of the
• 1:41:03
  missions, so to speak. I miss the dudes that I was
• 1:41:06
  there with like ever. A lot of guys will say that,
• 1:41:10
  right, You, you miss the monkeys, not the circus.
• 1:41:12
  And that's, that's very much accurate for me.
• 1:41:18
  And the flip side of that, that answer is actually the same kind
• 1:41:22
  of the inverse is accurate for what makes me glad I'm no longer
• 1:41:27
  in. And that's just the circus of
• 1:41:29
  it. All right.
• 1:41:32
  I, I miss the dudes. I do not miss the circus.
• 1:41:39
  Yeah, so I think you summed up very well.
• 1:41:44
  But for me, I think the experience that comes to mind
• 1:41:52
  about missing it is that like universal understanding of the
• 1:41:58
  suck, where does it matter where you were, who you're with
• 1:42:04
  fucking? Doesn't he have to be like
• 1:42:07
  within your own branch? But you can walk out to the
• 1:42:11
  smoke pit after a fucking, you know, 5-6 hours fucking just
• 1:42:18
  getting your shit kicked in. Doesn't matter who's in there.
• 1:42:21
  Never met him before. You can instantly start fucking
• 1:42:23
  Griffin talking about shit, kind of just bonding over that.
• 1:42:30
  And you miss that like understanding of that you're not
• 1:42:37
  going through the exact same thing, but it's fucking close
• 1:42:40
  enough. But on the flip side of that is
• 1:42:45
  the suck. And that's what I don't miss.
• 1:42:48
  Just all the politics, the bullshit, fucking all the
• 1:42:52
  paperwork, dude, to get what? To get 3 signatures from three
• 1:42:58
  people that all had offices within fucking 50 feet of one
• 1:43:04
  another would take 3 or 4 weeks. Like all of that was just the
• 1:43:13
  worst and does not make me miss it.
• 1:43:19
  You want to know my my hot take kind of fucked up answer to what
• 1:43:25
  I miss about being active duty? Let's hear.
• 1:43:29
  Gavin I we've had this conversation so and not
• 1:43:35
  necessarily been to active duty, right, But being, being
• 1:43:40
  deployed, being combat deployed. What I miss about that is that
• 1:43:48
  if for whatever reason I died, my death would mean something.
• 1:43:56
  I think that's a part of it that a lot of guys don't say out
• 1:44:00
  loud. Like I, I miss knowing that if
• 1:44:03
  I, if I, if I died right now, right, I'm just some fucking
• 1:44:07
  dude. And you know, it's that, I mean,
• 1:44:12
  it's sad, it's fucked up, but but like, if I would have, if I
• 1:44:18
  would have died on that first appointment, there would be
• 1:44:22
  Hellfire raining down on whoever the fuck did that.
• 1:44:29
  Yeah, so 100%. To to put that in a shell, What
• 1:44:35
  I think's in A at a very deep and real level, what I miss
• 1:44:40
  about being active duty is that my death would mean something,
• 1:44:44
  which is super fucked up. This has been a really fucking
• 1:44:50
  dark epic. I mean, why did you make us do
• 1:44:52
  this fucking questionnaire? Because we can't expect other
• 1:44:55
  people to do it and then us also not do it.
• 1:44:57
  But I want to challenge what you just said, OK?
• 1:45:01
  Because what the fuck do you mean that your death wouldn't
• 1:45:04
  mean something if you're not in the?
• 1:45:07
  Military, so I can't elaborate on that because there there's a
• 1:45:13
  couple of different things for it where if we were overseas and
• 1:45:18
  we died, we got killed one, there would be a retaliation for
• 1:45:26
  that. It's like, all right, cool, you
• 1:45:27
  took one of ours. We're going to take a couple 100
• 1:45:31
  of years. And if I died over there, would
• 1:45:36
  it still hurt the people that I know and care about?
• 1:45:39
  Yes. Would it be easier to swallow?
• 1:45:42
  Yeah. It's.
• 1:45:44
  Oh, they died in service of their country.
• 1:45:47
  Like they they would understand it.
• 1:45:51
  But if I drop dead now, I'm just the number.
• 1:45:57
  I'm just another veteran that died or I'm just another
• 1:46:01
  veteran. That guy that committed suicide.
• 1:46:06
  Like you don't mean anything anymore.
• 1:46:08
  You just become a number and that's it.
• 1:46:14
  All right, but on that note, right, if we, if we take a step
• 1:46:17
  back and take the the 30,000 foot view, right, like our, our,
• 1:46:23
  our hypothetical death in combat would mean the most to the dudes
• 1:46:27
  that we were out there. But at the end of the day,
• 1:46:29
  you're just a number in the G Watt.
• 1:46:33
  And that's not to detract from from anyone that right didn't
• 1:46:37
  come home or pay that ultimate price during those 20 years of
• 1:46:41
  conflict or any of the conflicts preceding it.
• 1:46:44
  But it I think for for us, for those of us with broken brains,
• 1:46:53
  it to us it means something different.
• 1:46:57
  It's like if I got hit by a bus tomorrow, walking across the
• 1:47:00
  street, like, but well, fuck, all right, Well, that's another
• 1:47:05
  that's another fucking auto and pedestrian fucking incident that
• 1:47:08
  resulted in a fatality. Cool.
• 1:47:13
  But like it's I don't know it it definitely it hits and it
• 1:47:23
  resonates very differently. And unfortunately, it's
• 1:47:27
  something that always lives rent free in my head as like I missed
• 1:47:35
  the chance for my death to mean something on a grand scale
• 1:47:40
  outside of to to the people that I'm closest with, which it's
• 1:47:47
  that's a dangerous string to pull because right.
• 1:47:50
  If I start pulling it like the fucked up part of my brains,
• 1:47:54
  like, well, hey, dog, you're in too deep now.
• 1:47:56
  You got two kids. You can't you, you're not going
• 1:47:59
  anywhere. You're you're fucking, you're in
• 1:48:01
  it. You're not leaving, but.
• 1:48:07
  So I think I can correct your wording there.
• 1:48:14
  And it's not that you missed the chance for your death to mean
• 1:48:18
  something, you miss the chance to have a guilt free death.
• 1:48:25
  Because that's kind of in the same boat I am where if I died
• 1:48:31
  overseas, I wouldn't feel guilty about leaving everybody back
• 1:48:37
  home because I know that it would be easier for them to
• 1:48:41
  understand. But I made it past.
• 1:48:45
  That. Yeah, I made it past that point.
• 1:48:48
  If I go free death, like I'm like you said, we're too deep
• 1:48:53
  into it at this point. So yeah.
• 1:48:57
  So I want to revisit this topic on the next one or.
• 1:49:03
  On a different 10 God, Are you sure because we can do that, but
• 1:49:09
  because I. I think I have a hot take on.
• 1:49:14
  It it's. Not going to like it's going to
• 1:49:17
  be kind of a controversial take. Keep.
• 1:49:19
  In mind, I didn't go through what you guys went through, so I
• 1:49:21
  have like an outside perspective, but in order to
• 1:49:25
  touch on it, I think it should be a different episode because
• 1:49:28
  otherwise. We'll go for like.
• 1:49:29
  Another hour. Yeah, that's fair.
• 1:49:32
  So, but just the kind of just a little teaser from the outside
• 1:49:42
  looking in, I think you guys were wired to think that way.
• 1:49:48
  And I think that's part of the process of why they scream at
• 1:49:54
  you as soon as you get on the bus, why they treat you the way
• 1:49:57
  that they treat you. They're breaking you down to
• 1:50:00
  build you into what they need you to be.
• 1:50:05
  And that's where that level of thinking is coming from.
• 1:50:08
  I think that's my theory. So, so last last point on this,
• 1:50:13
  we can definitely dig more into that.
• 1:50:15
  But right, also take into consideration that I joined in
• 1:50:19
  2013 when we were still doing large scale combat operations in
• 1:50:23
  the Middle East, right? I knew what I was joining and I
• 1:50:26
  understood the risks. And subliminally, part of me
• 1:50:31
  probably counted on those risks more than I've really dug into
• 1:50:38
  in my own brain and personally, but like hot take, I didn't plan
• 1:50:44
  on coming back from that first appointment.
• 1:50:47
  And so every day since then has just been like, oh fuck, all
• 1:50:50
  right, now what do we do? But we can definitely, I mean,
• 1:50:55
  we can dig into that. I think there's maybe a little
• 1:50:58
  bit of truth to, to the programming.
• 1:51:01
  But the flip side of that is everyone that joined after
• 1:51:07
  September 11th, 2001, you knew what you were joining.
• 1:51:12
  So the rest of it was just part of the already existing process.
• 1:51:17
  We'll see. I think I can see both sides of
• 1:51:21
  it. That's where I can get.
• 1:51:22
  Controversial, which is why I which is why I'm going.
• 1:51:27
  To keep my mouth shut for this for.
• 1:51:29
  This episode. Because I can.
• 1:51:34
  I can break off onto a tangent right now just because.
• 1:51:38
  Of what we know now. As to what we knew in 2001,
• 1:51:44
  yeah, so, but yeah, I know we should.
• 1:51:51
  I definitely want to touch on that again.
• 1:51:55
  We can take a break. We can do a funny episode and
• 1:51:58
  then. Come back to it because I mean
• 1:51:59
  we're. We we can't, we can't have every
• 1:52:03
  episode be like this. This episode wasn't even
• 1:52:07
  supposed to be like this. We're going to be creating the
• 1:52:09
  We haven't had a serious. Episode in a while.
• 1:52:12
  I mean, I, you know. That's fair, I didn't.
• 1:52:15
  Mean to aim it in this direction, but IA 100.
• 1:52:18
  Percent wanted to get back. That's why I wrote it the way
• 1:52:21
  that I wrote it in the box. Like, let's get back into the
• 1:52:25
  meat and taters of what this podcast is about.
• 1:52:29
  I didn't expect it to go down that road, but so, so since we
• 1:52:35
  are, we are, you know, getting late in the evening, I think.
• 1:52:40
  As a as a general disclaimer, I want to say that me personally,
• 1:52:46
  I am. I'm safe.
• 1:52:48
  I am not a danger to myself or others at this point in time.
• 1:52:52
  I'm talking about my experiences in my past, the things that have
• 1:52:56
  been pivotal and core into making me who I am today.
• 1:53:00
  And I acknowledge that for some folks that don't share that
• 1:53:04
  background, some of the things that we've said tonight might be
• 1:53:06
  might be scary and concerning, but know that, like I said, I'm
• 1:53:13
  safe. I'm I'm not going to go in the
• 1:53:17
  other room as soon as you stop recording and fucking blow my
• 1:53:20
  brains out. I've got to still edit this
• 1:53:23
  episode and get it out on Friday.
• 1:53:24
  So I still have shit to do. Well, thank you for calling top
• 1:53:27
  of that. On top of that, I still have two
• 1:53:30
  children to raise. So I.
• 1:53:32
  I'm, I am in a much healthier spot than I was in when I was
• 1:53:40
  living the stories that I was telling now.
• 1:53:44
  So we talk about these things because they're real, because I
• 1:53:48
  don't think we're at a point yet where people are comfortable
• 1:53:52
  with talking about them and the intent, right?
• 1:53:56
  This whole podcast, the, the driving force behind it is to
• 1:54:00
  talk about it in a, in an open public forum and setting and say
• 1:54:04
  that guys, it's OK to talk about this shit.
• 1:54:08
  You, you don't have to, to be the only one who thinks that
• 1:54:12
  you're living with all of this weight and all this fucking
• 1:54:15
  burden, right? You're, you're allowed to say
• 1:54:18
  that something affected you. You're allowed to be real and
• 1:54:21
  vulnerable and it it fucking sucks, but you're allowed to do
• 1:54:29
  those things. You don't have to carry all of
• 1:54:33
  that shit on your own shoulders, alone and unafraid for your
• 1:54:40
  entire life. It's not just you.
• 1:54:43
  You're not the only one going through this shit, and you don't
• 1:54:47
  have to go through it alone. So I'm going to stop tearing up
• 1:54:53
  now and we're going to hard pivot away from this topic
• 1:54:58
  because I think Gavin and I have both pretty extensively covered
• 1:55:02
  the weirdest place we've cranked our hog, which is the last
• 1:55:06
  question in the ask of that questionnaire, and I'm going to
• 1:55:09
  take back over. I've got the con, I've got the
• 1:55:11
  stick. We've got a little bit of
• 1:55:14
  fucking housekeeping to do on the way out of this episode,
• 1:55:17
  ladies and gentlemen. So a proposition to the boys
• 1:55:21
  that I have, I think we should do a maybe weekly, maybe bi
• 1:55:29
  weekly, but one of those two intervals we should have a
• 1:55:34
  fourth. Damn dude, shout out.
• 1:55:37
  I was talking to Mr. Jill Roar about this earlier and he thinks
• 1:55:43
  it's a great idea. So the fact that I've got his
• 1:55:44
  buy in means I don't fucking care what you guys think.
• 1:55:46
  We're doing this all right, So you can submit your rebuttals
• 1:55:52
  via via mail. You can submit your rebuttals
• 1:55:56
  via mail to my address. That I'm not going to give you.
• 1:55:58
  And. Expect.
• 1:55:59
  A response in the next 7 to 10 business weeks, but just know
• 1:56:03
  that we're going to do this. So if you've made it this far on
• 1:56:07
  this episode, hey, send your send your submissions for fourth
• 1:56:13
  Damn dude, either to us on Facebook or you can send it to
• 1:56:16
  our e-mail address. You can DM any one of us
• 1:56:19
  personally, just anyone that you think is deserving of a shout
• 1:56:25
  out or recognition, right? Doesn't have to be Mill, doesn't
• 1:56:29
  have to be a vet, doesn't have to be Leo or a first responder.
• 1:56:34
  Anyone in your life that has done bad ass shit, cool shit is
• 1:56:39
  an awesome fucking dude or chick.
• 1:56:42
  I got 1. You think there's a shout out?
• 1:56:44
  I got one. We'll hit that.
• 1:56:45
  We'll hit that at the end, but Jimmy's got one for.
• 1:56:47
  Today. It's your ex-wife.
• 1:56:50
  No God. Damn.
• 1:56:56
  It's because she was looking. Forward.
• 1:56:58
  To that fourth damn dude. Walked right the fuck into it.
• 1:57:09
  Oh God, you know, I can see it now.
• 1:57:11
  All the guys that have been here since day one, they're like,
• 1:57:14
  yeah. I also agree with Mike's
• 1:57:15
  ex-wife. Honorary, I think we give that
• 1:57:21
  two weeks. We we push that on Facebook.
• 1:57:23
  Pretty heavily. And then?
• 1:57:26
  So on episode 17, two weeks from now, we have our first fourth.
• 1:57:32
  Damn dude, shout out. Does anybody have any any save
• 1:57:38
  rounds or alibis on that I've already stated?
• 1:57:39
  That I don't give a fuck, but. This is your forum to say yay or
• 1:57:44
  nay to this all right. OK, we're going.
• 1:57:47
  To start doing the fourth. Damn, dude, shout outs, boys.
• 1:57:50
  Another thing I think we should do giveaways at milestone
• 1:57:55
  episodes. So we're coming up on 25.
• 1:57:58
  I think that's a fair first milestone because we've already
• 1:58:01
  blown past what most beginning podcasts actually get out into
• 1:58:06
  the ether. So we've already hit some pretty
• 1:58:09
  significant fucking milestones. I think when we get to 25, we,
• 1:58:13
  we talked to Rifle and Ratchet and we figure out maybe a
• 1:58:18
  magazine, maybe a fishing tackle, like one of those tackle
• 1:58:23
  trays, something that is Sarah coated or laser engraved with
• 1:58:27
  our logo. And we do that as a giveaway.
• 1:58:31
  And you know, maybe we can the giveaways to the, the people who
• 1:58:35
  have been nominated for the 4th. Damn dude.
• 1:58:39
  So I I think we we should do something like that.
• 1:58:43
  Giveaways at 2550. 100 and then, you know, if we if slash went,
• 1:58:49
  you know, fuck that when we make it that far, we'll we'll re
• 1:58:53
  attack this conversation and figure out what our milestones
• 1:58:55
  are actually going to be. Yeah.
• 1:59:00
  And then last thing for the group, that gun store I was
• 1:59:04
  talking about. So there is the there's the gun
• 1:59:10
  store itself, which solid fucking gun store.
• 1:59:13
  It's Bollinger's and Taneytown or Tawnytown, however the fuck
• 1:59:16
  you say it, Maryland and right, I'm gonna I hear it now.
• 1:59:21
  Well, I don't live in Maryland. I can't go to that gun store.
• 1:59:24
  They're in FFL and they have a site all right.
• 1:59:28
  And on that site they do raffles, and it seems like they
• 1:59:32
  do raffles pretty fucking regularly.
• 1:59:37
  So what I'm going to do is I'm going to share this screen real
• 1:59:39
  quick. Not that one.
• 1:59:43
  What the not the one that has porn all over it.
• 1:59:47
  Yeah, not not the lemonparty.com.
• 1:59:50
  So for example, their current raffle.
• 1:59:52
  There are 22 tickets left for a Henry H 001T and Colt Defender
• 1:59:59
  $35 a ticket, but if you go over here to the raffle winners.
• 2:00:04
  These are some of the things that they have raffled off in
• 2:00:06
  the past. So in FN 509 Charlie, they've
• 2:00:10
  got some Sigs, some Smith and Wesson, some Ruger.
• 2:00:12
  They've got a Kimber custom that's pretty fucking neat, some
• 2:00:17
  CMMG, Banshee, Mark 4, Springfield, Hellcat, Hellcart.
• 2:00:23
  Feel like that's a typo. Maybe I'm I'm looking for
• 2:00:28
  something specific, so bear with me boys.
• 2:00:31
  A fucking score 17 Yeah. Go up though.
• 2:00:35
  Deagles. Nice 5. 100 man yeah, daisies.
• 2:00:41
  So 10 to 35 I. Think there's some more
• 2:00:47
  expensive raffle tickets in here, but they're they're spend
• 2:00:53
  so much money on them. I have a problem when it comes
• 2:00:56
  to that. Yeah, I.
• 2:00:58
  Like that they cap the amount of tickets though, yeah.
• 2:01:02
  So I feel like the the. Chances go up a little bit, so
• 2:01:05
  the. Other half of.
• 2:01:07
  Bollinger. 'S is they have a a foundation.
• 2:01:12
  A foundation? Dude I listen man.
• 2:01:19
  I fucking crushed it this whole episode with.
• 2:01:21
  Words. I think it's fair that it falls
• 2:01:23
  apart at the end, but the Bollinger Foundation, I had the
• 2:01:29
  opportunity and honestly absolute pleasure of talking to
• 2:01:33
  these folks yesterday at their shop and kind of digging into
• 2:01:37
  what they're all about. But these guys are all about the
• 2:01:44
  just the general community. They're about the the military,
• 2:01:48
  the veterans, the law enforcement, the first
• 2:01:51
  responders. They are all about it.
• 2:01:56
  And I, I absolutely love what they're doing and I love that
• 2:02:02
  they're raffling off guns and I love that I have them local to
• 2:02:06
  me, selfishly. So fuck you guys.
• 2:02:11
  Yeah, I, I cannot say enough about this foundation, the gun
• 2:02:19
  store. And they're absolutely sick
• 2:02:22
  raffles that they do. So I will have links to their
• 2:02:27
  foundation website, to the raffle website and to their gun
• 2:02:30
  store website in the show notes. Have you talked to them out?
• 2:02:37
  Huh. Have you talked to these people?
• 2:02:39
  Yeah. OK, Yeah, yeah, I, I.
• 2:02:43
  Sat in their store for like 2 hours talking to them.
• 2:02:45
  Keep talking and I. I brought up I was like, hey, I
• 2:02:50
  I do AI do a podcast. Can we talk about the raffles
• 2:02:53
  and the foundation? Can we talk about you guys on
• 2:02:55
  the show? And I was talking to I'm I'm not
• 2:02:59
  going to name drop anybody, but I was talking to someone and
• 2:03:03
  they were like, yes, absolutely, yes, you can talk about us.
• 2:03:06
  You absolutely can talk about us.
• 2:03:08
  So I would love to partner with them on something in the future.
• 2:03:12
  I would love to have some sort of professional relationship
• 2:03:16
  with the Bollinger Foundation or their gun store or, you know,
• 2:03:20
  sponsor A raffle at some point. I I am all in on on what they
• 2:03:25
  are doing. Oh yeah, that was a lot of.
• 2:03:31
  Words. But yeah, Bollinger's, that is
• 2:03:35
  the last thing. That I have for the show notes.
• 2:03:38
  So boys, let's wrap this up. We're going to be right around 2
• 2:03:41
  hours after I cut out the 1st 6 minutes of us having fake starts
• 2:03:45
  and bullshitting horrifically, yes.
• 2:03:49
  So let's go around Jimmy, you got.
• 2:03:53
  Anything else save grounds alibis.
• 2:03:55
  OK, love you. Bye.
• 2:03:57
  All right, Gavin, what do you got?
• 2:03:59
  Just don't be in the asshole. Sick.
• 2:04:03
  I'm going to change it up. I'm.
• 2:04:04
  Not going to hit him with the thanks for showing up.
• 2:04:07
  I'm I'm going to do a new thing and I'm going to do this on
• 2:04:11
  every episode going forward. I don't care where this show
• 2:04:15
  goes or where this takes us. Maddie, I know I'm trying.
• 2:04:19
  We're signing off right now. We're getting there.
• 2:04:24
  But guys, we appreciate you tuning in every week.
• 2:04:30
  The veteran crisis line number is 988 and then press 1.
• 2:04:35
  And if a phone call is too much to ask, you can text 838255 S
• 2:04:43
  reach out to your friends, to the goons, to the dudes that you
• 2:04:45
  went through the suck with. Stay in touch.
• 2:04:49
  And yeah, we, we truly do appreciate you guys.
• 2:04:53
  So cheers to all of you. Fuck yeah.
• 2:05:30
  Yeah.