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13 Going on 30 · The Art of Costume Podcast

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To our costume podcast, I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass.
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I'm 31, not very flirty and I wouldn't say thriving.
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Spencer Williams. Yeah, same, same.
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I'm not going to lie. Like this movie, I was like,
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what happened? What happened to that?
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That idea that once you hit, once you hit 30, things get
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better and you're in a stable, a stable career and life.
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And I'm like, Oh yeah, a recession and a pandemic
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happened. Oh, fun fact.
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Hi, everyone. We're going to get into all
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this. Jennifer Garner was 31 when she
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filmed 13, going on 30. She was 31.
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Yeah, So she was RH. I was watching this and I was
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like, am I supposed to be living in New York being the, like,
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lead editor of a magazine right now?
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I I guess I am a lead editor of a publication, but I'm not in
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New York. No.
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Living in a high rise, you know. But really.
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Nice high rise apartment. This podcast is starting off on
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the bummer, I know. Hi, everyone.
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Welcome back to the Art of Costume podcast.
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Elizabeth, it's good to see you. How have you been?
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What have you been up to? I've been watching 13 going on
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30 and wondering what is life? Oh, so things are going well
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then? Yeah, really great.
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Really. Great, you know, just a
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Millennial Tuesday. Yeah, I see.
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Well, I have been out and about a lot lately.
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You have been going to lots of screenings.
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I spent like a whole weekend with Guillermo del Toro at the
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Camry Museum. He did his lecture on Alfred
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Hitchcock films. He's a big Hitchcock fan.
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He even wrote, I believe, a book on it back in the day.
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Really. Yeah.
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I don't know if it's published. I don't know if it was like part
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of when he was studying or I don't know.
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He wrote something somewhere which I don't have and I want
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it. So that was fun.
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I got to see a lot of new films and then currently in Los
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Angeles it is like Wes Anderson, a week in Los Angeles.
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So gotta see Wes Anderson and Luke Wilson.
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A screening of Bottle Rocket the other day.
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And then last night I was at the Wes Anderson concert, which was
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magical. You, It looked magical.
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You you were all over the place. I have been all over the place,
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my gas bill running quite high. So whoever's messing up the gas
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prices out there, you need to cut it out.
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Stop being so naughty. But.
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You're ruining our lives in Southern California.
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But yes, it's been a lot of good fun, lots of film nerd stuff.
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It's just like feeding my soul right now.
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Good. So so it was after all of that
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watching, I'll just Guillermo del Toro on Wes Anderson.
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It was a trip to go back to Gary Winnix 13 going on 30 as we
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continue our nostalgia Hot girls summer year series.
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This film, I have seen this film a lot.
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Really. Yeah, because I loved it growing
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up and I still do. This film is like a perfect
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comedy to me. It's hilarious.
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It, it was definitely, I love this one growing up, although I
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watched it in like I had, I haven't watched it all the way
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through very much 'cause I remember growing up this was a
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big like, oh, like middle of the day, like TV, it's on TV movie
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that I would like, not sure what to watch.
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And I'd see 13 going on 30 and be like, yeah, let's watch that.
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So it was kind of like, yeah, it was a trip, 'cause I don't think
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I've seen it since high school. Yeah, hold on.
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If if I was if I'm 31, how old was I in 2004?
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In 2000 and in 2004, I was 10. Oh, and I was nine.
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Yeah, I was 9 when this film came out.
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That's crazy. And it's it's funny because,
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like, I had a crush on like, young Jenna, you know, like at
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the birthday party, I thought she was so cute, which the
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actress today I found her still cute, but it's just funny.
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Like watching it now all these years later, I'm like, man.
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Jennifer Garner, like, yeah. Like so dope.
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It's just like, Oh my gosh, I'm old.
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Yeah, yeah. It's such a trip like.
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Honestly, like over the last couple of years us like watching
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movies that I haven't seen since I was a child or in high school.
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Like it's wild. Like how your views change and
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how you watch it changes. Like I love that.
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But do you want to get into 13 going on 30 with a little
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summary, Spencer? There's a lot to talk about in
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this episode, so this film was directed by Gary Winnick.
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You want to know for notable work such as Charlotte's Web
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Bride Wars and Letters to Juliet.
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Now for a summary. After a birthday party disaster,
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awkward 13 year old Jenna Rink makes one desperate wish and
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wakes up overnight as a glamorous 30 year old magazine
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editor. Suddenly she's navigating
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designer closets, office politics, and an uncomfortable
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realization that growing up isn't quite what she imagined.
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Turns out, when it comes to love, friendship, and figuring
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out who you are, we are young. Heartache to heartache we stand.
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No promises, no demands. Love is a battlefield.
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Yeah. That is 13 going on 30.
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That that is 13 going on 30. Let's go behind the costumes and
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me, our costume designer Susie Desanto.
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You will know her work from this congeniality white Olander for
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which she got a Costume Designer Guild nomination.
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I am Sam Nashville, for which she got 2 Costume Designer Guild
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nominations, Dirty John Season 1 and Gaslit.
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I've been told many times that we need to do Miss Congeniality
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on the podcast. Yeah, we do.
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I'm just going to go and say the people who told you that were
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very right. I've seen clips, I know it hits.
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Have you not seen this congeniality?
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I've just seen parts of it like I know like the part where like
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she says, like, you know, what's your favorite?
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Was it favorite season or favorite month or I don't know
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what's? Your favorite date?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I've seen those clips.
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I loved this film, seen it now, like older 'cause I always
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wondered. I was like, man, she made us
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wish. Why did she grow up and like
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have all these like all this off?
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You know, she like inherited all this like office drama and like
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the situation of her being like the rat for like the Eller
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magazine and her friends hate her and her parents.
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Like she doesn't talk to her parents.
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And growing up, I was almost like, why did her like, wish
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come with, like, all of that? And now I'm watching it like as
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a 30 year old, like the crippling realization that, like
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growing up isn't like, all you expect it to be.
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Yeah. Like life, like, we'll continue
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to throw challenges at you and like, so many different aspects
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of your life. It was honestly like, a little
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like startling when I rewatch it now.
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This time I was like, wow, that's, that's deep.
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Yeah. That's that's why she grew up
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with all those challenges. Like, sure, you could be 30, but
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you don't know what you're asking for necessarily.
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Yeah. No, none of us knew what we were
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asking for. And now looking back, like all
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those like letters she was probably going through at the
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beginning, like those are probably all bills.
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Oh my gosh, yeah. When she was throwing those, I
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was like, no, girl, no, no, you need to pay that.
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You need to. Pay the bills.
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Mama, Oh my gosh, I love that we live in the the age of automatic
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payment. Well, with that, we have a lot
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to get into because there are some stellar costumes in this
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costume. It is a chock full of them.
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So with that, let's take a little break.
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And we'll jump right into 13 going on 30.
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Spencer, Are you ready to jump into the 1980s?
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I'm ready because this party actually does look fun It.
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Looks so fun. It looks so fun.
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I love that they kind of set Jenna up as like the really
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smart kid who's just like awkward but like the cool kids
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keep her on the outskirts to do their homework so she's not like
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bullied but they're also not nice too.
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No, definitely not nice. It's 1987, right?
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So it's like a late 80s getting close to the 90s, but definitely
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we still have that typical like the hair is very 80's, the
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Colors Super exaggerated. Yeah, so much fun.
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I do love how they set the tone for the costumes for the rest of
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the film and this with just how colorful it is, how many
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patterns there are. I was like, good job, Susie.
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Well, actually. I thought about I didn't notice
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it until I saw it this time, but the blindfold she wears when she
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goes into the closet, that almost looks like the same print
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she wears in the famous like thriller.
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Dressing, Yeah. I know it's, I mean it's
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different, but it feels similar. It has the same feelings, some
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of the same colors, but it really it's just perfect.
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Like 80s Barbie almost. That's what I really feel like
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it is like and it it carries through the rest of the film.
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There's not too drastic of a difference between like the tone
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and the look of these scenes and the rest of the movie.
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Because when you like meet these characters when they're older,
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they it has to feel believable. I mean, especially like Judy
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Greer's like Lucy character when we get to her, like, yeah, you
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kind of know like, Oh yeah, that's I mean the young actress
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even like kind of looks like her.
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It's. Kind of creepy it actually.
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I thought that too. I was like, how did they get
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someone who looks so much like Judy Greer?
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Like her daughter, like it's kind of wild.
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Yeah. But yeah, the color scheme like
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really carries through throughout this film, which I I
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really appreciate. And then Matt, he's just also
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like, again, like wearing like thrifted, maybe like sweaters.
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Yeah, long sleeve. Shirts.
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I definitely got the feeling that like his mom shops for him.
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Yeah. Like everything has a collar.
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Everything's like a polo. And he also is like the only one
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wearing like dark colours at this party.
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He kind of feels like the black sheep to me, a little bit like
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he's the odd one now. He gets kicked out of the party.
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Yeah, I I definitely think he got into the grunge scene in the
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90s. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
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Like the photographer guy. Yeah, yeah.
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But after a very mean prank, we have Jenna waking up as Jennifer
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Garner. Yes. 30, flirty and thriving.
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Oh my gosh, look at her eye mask.
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It's yeah, it's the same pattern.
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That's the same pattern as a blindfold.
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Yes. That's wild.
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OK, so I'm not crazy. No.
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Yeah, I noticed that for the first time.
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This this watch as well. And it's just, it's so funny and
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so perfect 'cause she's got like this cute little nightgown on,
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which turns into her her work outfit after she puts a jacket
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over. It, it's so good.
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It's actually one of my favorite looks.
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I didn't think I was, I didn't remember loving it as much.
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But like the fact that she just 'cause she's, she's suddenly 30,
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so she does not know how to dress like a grown woman.
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You know, it's like this like weird childlike philosophy where
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she's like, OK, well, I'm already wearing my dress and
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we're all like. No, that's not what that.
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Is and she just throws a coat on over it, but and it works
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though, she looks great. But if, you know, she walked
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into my office, I'm like, huh, you know?
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That's a choice. Yeah, but you look great and.
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Like what I will say about this movie is I think it is a perfect
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time capsule of 2000s fashion. Oh yeah, look at Lucy with the
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like Leathers zip up jacket. Yes, and like that one is
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straight out of 2000. The pockets on the arm, like,
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like the low rise black denim, like it's so 2000s and like
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that, like little slip dress. Like, yeah, people were wearing
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that all the time. Not necessarily to work, but
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like people may have given her a sideways glance, but they
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weren't like why are you wearing your pyjamas?
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It's a good one, but then we we love a montage scene on our
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costume podcast and we got a good one.
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We did. Her closet is huge, so that must
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have been fun for her. Yeah, love the silly nightgown,
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but just like looking at her closet, how stacked it was.
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She's going through like her new underwear.
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She's like having the time of her life and like what is going
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on. Here, looking at her wall of
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shoes, putting like her makeup like the way it is so oops, so
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80s. Yeah.
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But then it like works absolutely perfectly and I love
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watching her struggle because she did just turn 13 and doesn't
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really know how to put makeup on.
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But it results in the iconic Versace thriller dress.
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Oh, it's Versace. It is Versace.
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Oh, OK. And Susie talked to People
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magazine about this dress, saying the dress really wasn't
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premeditated and culture took the dress and went with it.
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She said it was like really quickly chosen during pre
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production. They really didn't put any
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thought in it. It was from the 2003 Spring
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summer Versace collection. And she felt it was fun enough
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that a 13 year old would choose to wear it, but also like, rich
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enough looking that an adult would buy it because like, who's
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not going to buy some Versace if you have the money for it?
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That's crazy, 'cause she just was like, yeah, this will do.
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And it's like one of the most iconic dresses slash costumes of
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the 2000s. It really is.
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You see that color palette and you immediately think of 13
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going on 30, Jenna dancing to Thriller.
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Like I I immediately get taken there when I see like those
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colors. Together, you think of the
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2000s, you think of this film, everything that was happening.
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And Susie said, I think the reason people fall in love with
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it is because of Jenna. I think somebody else in that
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role, it would have just been a cute movie.
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But I think right then she is the exact right person with the
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exact right energy and ability to tap into her youthfulness,
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which is exactly what's happening in that scene.
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I mean, it's true. Jennifer Garner.
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She is incredible. Yeah, I honestly like this is
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probably one of her best roles. I I think so too, and cause the
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way she holds on to like that, not even teenager, it's very
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preteen like attitude of like, oh, I'm having fun and like, you
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know, I'm being an adult. Like the very like, yeah, adulty
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attitude of a preteen. I mean, she's 12 growing on 13.
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Really. Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly. She hasn't been a teenager more
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than a day, at least. No, like they're at the Max.
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I love the conversation she has with the actual preteen in the
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elevator on her way to the limousine.
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So funny. Honestly, all of her scenes with
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the teens are hilarious. My favorite scene.
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Well, not favorite scene, but one of my favorite scenes.
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So funny when she's at the bar with Lucy and Lucy's like,
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there's this hot man looking at you.
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I really. And Jenna's like, should I go
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talk to him? She's like, yeah, she turns
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around and she walks directly to like the young kid.
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That joke is crazy. It is.
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So funny, I thought. I will say, like the guy who was
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the hot guy. Uh huh.
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Not that, not that cute. I I feel like I miss him every
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time because I'm always laughing He's.
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Like very generic looking. So funny.
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And Lucy's like, do you want to go to prison?
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Yeah. Literally, literally.
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It was so funny, so good, and I love Judy's outfit in comparison
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to Jenna's. Like what does Andy Serkis say?
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A dark mermaid. Yeah, honestly, it's like a
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little, I mean it's post 90s, but it gives kind of like a
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corny love as yeah to it. It's kind of, it's 2000s, but it
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kind of has like a little bit of a dark glamour to it.
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Yeah, 'cause she is. You don't know it, but she is
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kind of like the antagonist of the She's the.
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Villain. Yeah.
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Which kind of sucks because she had me going there for most of
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the. Movie I'm like.
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Oh, she like turned a new leaf. Like why does she have to be the
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mean girl forever? But I.
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Feel like once a mean girl. I I still felt like I kind of
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liked her, that was. Yeah.
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That was the sucky thing. I will say like.
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I felt betrayed when she did the betrayal, yeah.
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But then I guess also Jenna was the betrayer too, so that's kind
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of thing, yeah. So, but so this this is an
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iconic costume. But as I said, they had no idea
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it was going to be iconic. Yeah.
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And nobody thought much of it during production, and it's
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since gone missing. I was just going to ask like,
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where is that dress? No, it's missing.
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Jennifer Garner believes she saw it once on a background actor in
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Sex in the City. But Susie has a different theory
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that she told people saying we were based in Los Angeles.
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There weren't many of those Versace dresses to begin with.
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It was a very limited run. So I think somebody found that
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dress in a consignment store in New York's in New York for Sex
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and the City. I don't think it was Jenna's
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dress. Her dress went into a warehouse
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and sadly I think it's in a landfill somewhere.
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Who knows where it is 0? No, Oh my gosh, that is
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Smithsonian a level costuming right there.
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Yes. So if if you are out there and
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you have that dress, do the right thing, e-mail me and I
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will get it to Susie Desanto or the Smithsonian or both.
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I will give it to Susie to give to the Smithsonian.
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Or the Academy Museum. Or Jennifer Garner, like it
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needs to be on display. I mean, this dress carries the
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same weight as like a share and Clueless or the floral Midsummer
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dress or Bram Stoker Dracula's, you know, Dracula's armor.
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Like this silly Versace dress. It carries so much weight so.
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Cute. Like, I think last year Ariana
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Grande wore, like, a reproduction of it on The Voice.
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Yeah, that sounds familiar. People constantly dress up for
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Halloween, and Susie said the dress doesn't even know how
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popular it became. It's just gone.
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Oh. My God, that makes me so sad.
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No, right. That's that's horrible.
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Yeah. I mean, I would like to imagine
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it's in a glass case somewhere, but.
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No, I think, I don't know if it went to a landfill, but I think
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it's definitely lost in a costume house somewhere.
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Yeah, or. Or.
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Or it's in someone's, you know, garage somewhere, not even
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knowing. I don't know.
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Who knows? Or at right after this movie
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came out, someone rented it from a costume house for Halloween
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and destroyed it, which I can totally see happening in Los
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Angeles. Horrible, that's horrible that
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just makes me so sad. I wish I had all the money in
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the world to be like a costume cuz they were there also.
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Right. Talk about a dream job like that
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would be so much fun. I would have like a Bruce Wayne
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style cave and it'd just be, yeah, costumes and cases.
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With with like climate controls. Yeah, and it would be free
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admission, too. You could come.
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Yeah, And you'll just see me sitting at the front desk with
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my laptop, probably playing The Sims.
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Yeah. And I would just be like, yeah,
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take a look around and if you touch anything, I'll kill you.
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You like have have like a laser, a villain style style laser.
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People touch the glass, ZAP, they're just like a there's a
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smoke. Spot on the floor around it with
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sharks with laser beams on their heads.
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Like awesome powers. I will murder you but please
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enjoy yourself when like around. Absolutely.
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Do you want to hear something really cute about Judy Greer?
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Yes. Susie said Greer is such a great
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comedic actor, but also she would be like, oh, do I get to
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wear my bitch dress today? And she'd make up names for all
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of her clothes. It was really cute.
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Isn't that amazing? So it feels like we're on the
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right track then because that's that was the vibe she's trying
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to give off. It was absolutely the vibe she
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was giving off and I feel like Jenna does kind of pick that up
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a little bit. Especially this costume sent me
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back. It is her tan and camo green
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with the chopsticks in her hair. Yeah, it's like a porcupine
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quill. Almost looks like it's.
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It also made me stop for a second.
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It's like, wow, she really? This is a evolution.
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Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like this is her
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kind of first time, like taking in, like, Judy Greer's influence
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into her clothes, but still having fun with.
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I was one of those dumb girls with, like, chopsticks in my
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hair. And I had, like, I saw her and I
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had so many flashbacks. Yeah, it's like she feels very
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grown up. Like she's like, OK, I'm getting
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used to this thirty thing. Yeah, funny enough.
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But like when you see at her desk she has like the world's
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largest pencil 'cause she's still a child.
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But yeah, she feels like very grown up and like business
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oriented and almost feels like, with like the quills in her
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hair, almost feels like she's kind of standoffish, a little
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dangerous too. At the same time.
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It's almost like that personality that she's trying to
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avoid was like there, laid down the whole time 'cause, you know,
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she wasn't exactly a nice girl too.
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I mean, she was mean to her friend in the birthday party
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originally. So she's not perfect and she's
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trying to make up for it. So she does have like her edges.
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She's like a rose with thorns, you know?
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Yes, so poetic, Spencer. And Speaking of a friend she was
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mean to, we got Mark Ruffalo. Who plays Matt Mattie?
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Yes, I love that. Like she is the first person he
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she goes to. Yeah, well.
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'Cause she's like my best. Friend obviously, obviously why
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wouldn't I go to him and he's just like so confused, but he
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also has that like adult vibe of like something is mentally
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unwell with this person before me and I just need to make sure
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they're OK. And I remove.
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Myself. Condo cops?
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Honestly, yeah. I'm shocked he didn't just be
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like this person needs maybe like a psychiatric hold.
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They're so cute together. Yeah.
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The look she wears when he walks her back to her apartment, maybe
25:50
where she has like this pink cardigan with the like the.
25:54
Fringe. Fringe again.
25:58
I was like, wow, that's a wild look.
25:59
Yeah, the ribbon applique. Yeah.
26:02
That it's like a it's like a teenager's cardigan sweater.
26:06
Yeah, but. She still pulls it off though,
26:08
somehow. She does, she does.
26:11
I also love her like your your favorite scene at the bar, her
26:17
her like black motorcycle jacket and black dress.
26:21
And I love how like Susie really makes the two of them complement
26:26
each other 'cause then he rolls up in like a black corduroy yeah
26:31
jacket with a a band T-shirt. Yeah.
26:35
And like it. Feels like they're meant to be.
26:39
Like they are meant to be. Oh my gosh, Matt's apartment.
26:42
Do you see the Big Blue velvet poster on the wall?
26:44
Yes, I did. I was like, oh, that's cool.
26:47
I would like Matt. Matt's so cool.
26:49
He's definitely like that alt kid.
26:53
He's an adult now and he's still like trying to hold on to that.
26:56
Watching David Lynch films. Yeah, doing his photography.
27:00
A little mad about his childhood youth.
27:03
Yes, yes, I was. Wearing this girl that he
27:06
clearly doesn't want to see at all.
27:08
Yes, she lives in a whole other state.
27:10
Yeah. And then when she shows up, he's
27:12
like, Oh yeah, I'm getting married this week or whatever.
27:15
And it's like, dude, you don't have to.
27:18
No, I love how like it's literally the day before their
27:22
wedding and she's like, so we should probably figure out like,
27:26
if you're going to move because I don't want to be a commuter
27:29
couple. And it's like, you didn't have
27:31
this conversation before you got engaged.
27:33
What's going on here? Like what?
27:37
But before that happens, they have a lovely week together
27:43
because she is tasked with redesigning poise and goes for
27:49
it. Just like the cutest little high
27:51
school aesthetic. Hires him to take all the photos
27:55
for her presentation and I love the montage of looks we get from
28:01
her. Starting with this great front
28:04
lace of corset top with the pleated yellow skirt.
28:11
It very much reminded me of a couple of things.
28:16
The first was Enchanted. Like very enchanted vibes.
28:22
But also, do you remember Taylor Swift's Love Story music video?
28:28
No, wrong audience. The the people listening
28:33
probably like, yeah. You all will know what I'm
28:35
talking about. It gave me those vibes as well.
28:39
And I was just like this one of those moments where I'm like,
28:42
this is the 2000s. This is this is the bright sunny
28:46
day we all thought would last forever.
28:49
And I was thinking a little like Sex and the City too.
28:51
I feel like she's grown up a little bit and she's like
28:55
tapping into. She's kind of put the neons
28:58
away. Yeah.
28:59
And she's like, she realizes like, I have to be a grown up in
29:01
this moment. Like I really have to tap in and
29:03
figure out this project. I have this, like, new guy that
29:07
I'm like, I'm interested in. Like she's like, really like
29:09
locks in. And you could see like the
29:11
evolution really in this moment. So I thought that was, I really
29:15
did like that costume, too. And that leads into like the
29:18
other one too, with the halter top and that red.
29:23
The the red pleated skirt, Yeah. That's.
29:26
Like her most adult look. Yeah, I mean, she looks like, I
29:29
mean, I can't even tell our dad that met.
29:31
I'm not sure but. They're somewhere in New York
29:33
City. Very like she looks like she
29:36
lives in New York City, like she really took this role on.
29:40
At first ran with it. Speaking of living in New York
29:43
City, so many shots in this film are from Pasadena.
29:49
Did you realize that? They are.
29:52
Every house scene is in Pasadena.
29:54
Elizabeth and I live in this neighborhood.
29:56
Yeah, yeah. And I'm not.
29:59
And then just to confirm, when I looked it up and it I'm totally
30:02
right. It's all in Pasadena except for
30:05
the New York scene. I mean they did a really good
30:07
job making it look East Coast will not lie.
30:10
But I was like, I was like, I know the house.
30:14
Like, I could walk there. Yeah, Jenna lived in our
30:17
neighborhood, so I gotta figure this out.
30:19
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30:21
Yeah 13 Going on 30 tour hosted by the Art of Costume podcast.
30:27
I will drive the bus and Elizabeth will just stand at the
30:29
top and point like a. Team with with my microphone.
30:36
Oh, man, I love kind of the look this all ends on, though, which
30:40
is the T-shirt with the floral applique.
30:45
Floral appliques in her in her skirt with the gourds.
30:49
Like, I feel like it's a much more tame version of the corset
30:54
top. Yeah, and yellow skirt.
30:57
Yeah, it also feels like almost feels like not as expensive too.
31:01
Almost feels like she's leveled out as a person.
31:03
She's coming back to like just being a normal person, I guess
31:08
not that like buying expensive clothes that's making normal,
31:10
but you could just tell that she's like leveled out and she's
31:12
back to like, I miss my family. I miss being home, I miss just
31:15
being like a kid and just wearing whatever.
31:17
I think she's not so stuck on like the labels when all of a.
31:20
Sudden, especially because like she has a big like shopping, she
31:24
does a big shopping talk. We don't get quite like a
31:26
shopping montage, but we do get one scene of her coming out of
31:29
the store, which is 1,000,000 bags of boxes.
31:32
And I'm like this. I feel like at first she was
31:36
just going with like call her mean Jenna's wardrobe, but then
31:41
she took that credit card and definitely bought what she
31:44
wanted. Yeah, she's, I don't know whose
31:46
credit card this is. I guess it's.
31:47
Mine, but yeah. These.
31:50
I don't understand credit. Let's go.
31:53
I made it this far. Allegedly.
31:54
Yes, I do love her sleepover with all the other girls from
31:59
her apartment building. Which?
32:00
Is so crazy and when you think about on paper is so
32:03
inappropriate. Yeah, but her pajama look is
32:07
great. It's so good, it looks so cozy.
32:09
It's very cozy with the scarf thrusting love as a battlefield.
32:13
All the girls running around are like wearing her like outfits
32:17
and bras. Yes, yes, she definitely just
32:20
opened her closet and said have fun, let's dress up.
32:23
It's so wild. Whose parents dropped all these
32:26
kids off at her house? They probably all said I'm going
32:29
to the other person's apartment for a sleepover.
32:33
That's what that's what kids did in the day before, parents had
32:37
tracking devices on each. Cell phone.
32:40
So wild. Yeah.
32:43
Such a great scene. So cute.
32:47
Yeah. I mean, do we know where the
32:48
pyjama sets are, Susie? Like, how much of these costumes
32:51
is it? All the costumes are destroyed
32:54
because I'll settle for the pyjamas.
32:55
Yeah, yeah, who knows. I feel like because this is just
33:00
like such a like 2000s ROM com. Yeah, like, I don't know if
33:05
anyone expected it to be like the cult.
33:07
Not even cult classic, just a classic that it is.
33:12
But we get to proposal day, and Judy Grier's character is like.
33:19
No, she looks good. She looks.
33:21
Clear so good and it fits her proposal so well cuz she's like,
33:26
I think she literally says like we're going to take heroin chic
33:29
to the next level. Something like that.
33:32
Something like that and I was like.
33:33
Very edgy. I was like Judy Greer.
33:36
Andy Serkis looks terrified. Which Andy Serkis was hilarious
33:40
in this. Film He is top notch in this
33:42
film. And it's funny because this is
33:44
not long after Lord of the Rings.
33:47
No, he was probably like, I am so sick of wearing like a green
33:51
screen suit. I need to go and he's like, give
33:55
me that three piece suit, give me a tie.
33:57
He. Went from being Gollum to doing
33:59
the thriller. Yeah, but Judy Greer's look, it
34:04
is very like kind of businesswoman grunt.
34:07
Yeah, and I'm like, I love the green of it because this is also
34:11
when cuz he like, shoots down her idea immediately.
34:15
Yeah. He's like, this makes me feel
34:17
uncomfortable. I don't like the way it makes me
34:18
feel. Yeah, which I'm like, girl, come
34:22
on. But this is also when she finds
34:25
the that was it sparkle pay stubs in Jenna's office, which
34:31
I'm like, how would you keep mean?
34:33
Jenna, you're not very smart. Like, I'm surprised no one
34:39
figured this out sooner. But I love the green because
34:43
she's kind of like a snake in this moment.
34:45
She gets. Yeah, she gets Matt to sign away
34:48
like the rights to his photos. That's cold.
34:54
Yeah, she really, which I'm like this is crazy that she's going
34:58
after Jenna already cuz Jenna hasn't even done her
35:00
presentation yet. I know like Judy Greer was not
35:03
even there for her presentation. Jenna hasn't really done
35:07
anything to her before the pay stubs except for being kind of a
35:11
lunatic. Yeah, I like, but she's going
35:14
through her office like she has wronged her right, left and
35:18
right. Clearly you've known her for a
35:20
long time, so you would think that I don't know.
35:23
I yeah, whatever. But we get Jenna and what I like
35:28
to call her professional soccer mom.
35:30
Look. She's just the direct opposite
35:33
of what Judy Greer. Yeah, she's as pink, airy, soft
35:37
as possible, very approachable, which is why she has everyone
35:41
like, on their feet. Literally has like a little like
35:44
I think it's like a Pearl detail heart on her cami, like just the
35:49
fun innocence of her, her proposal.
35:53
Yeah, like that. That's what it is and everyone
35:56
loves it. I have to shout out Jenna's
36:01
secretary, played by Marsha. The bonus?
36:04
Arlene I love. That woman.
36:06
So good. I love that woman.
36:08
I love the arc of like, she's terrified of her.
36:11
Yeah. And that's like a good, like,
36:13
prelude to the film. You're like, why is the
36:14
secretary so terrified of her? Yeah.
36:17
And then like you cut to like toward the end and she's like
36:19
crying and she's like rooting for her and she's just like,
36:22
she's. Like I'm gonna read our magazine
36:24
for the first time in my. Life.
36:25
Yeah, like Arlie's totally come around and she's like, wow, like
36:27
this is what happens when good people work with good people and
36:31
like, yeah, treat each other like humans, you know, like,
36:33
this is nice. I actually like what I do.
36:36
So that was like, a fun moment. So I felt like Erlene sold it
36:40
and just secretary down. Like she just has like the long,
36:44
you know, like long skirts. Yeah.
36:47
Cozy office cardigans, the long necklaces.
36:50
Yeah, just looks like a secretary.
36:53
Looks like a secretary and Jenna's so happy with herself
36:58
she puts on like the best like cutesy Paisley green dress to go
37:05
walk through the rain and go see Matt to be like yay we did it,
37:10
we did it only to be greeted by his fiance.
37:14
Yeah, actually we didn't do it. I'm like his fiance is like, not
37:19
suspicious enough. I know I'm like.
37:22
Girl I thought the same thing. I was like you need to get a
37:26
clue. Yeah, yeah.
37:29
But which leads into her many into her final sad look.
37:34
Oh yeah. Which is just like, she's
37:37
definitely not like on her A game.
37:40
She's just got jeans. It's the jeans that make it sad.
37:44
Yeah. Seeing Jenna in jeans.
37:46
Seeing Jenna not right, No. Seeing her in jeans with like
37:51
this, like, floral top that like, doesn't really fit with
37:55
her personality. The tan jacket, Yeah.
37:59
And I can't tell she's wearing slippers or if this is a
38:01
paparazzi photo. We're looking.
38:02
At I think this is a in between shots.
38:04
OK. Yeah, I couldn't get a real good
38:08
like full body shot, but. BTS.
38:12
Yes, in in the actual film though, she's wearing like nude
38:16
heels. OK, so she's not that sad, but
38:19
yeah. She's not that sad.
38:21
But that's nude, so actually maybe she is sad.
38:24
Yeah, it's not neon pink. But she gets the news of just
38:28
how bad she's been betrayed and goes home.
38:33
Matt is like, this is where I had to Fast forward when he's
38:36
like, here's your dream house. I'm getting married.
38:40
Sorry, girl. Like this is where I was
38:43
stressed out. I was.
38:44
Like this is messed. Up I was like I know how this
38:46
movie ends but like she's so sad and it's like I feel like she's
38:54
getting mean Jenna's comeuppance.
38:57
Like I was like this is messed. Up she didn't.
39:01
She didn't do anything so I don't love it, but she wishes
39:07
again to go back to being 13 and we get a montage of her going
39:16
back to her 13th birthday, her and Maddie growing up and
39:20
getting married, and moving in to her very own Barbie Dream
39:26
House. Would love to have a pink home
39:29
one day. Would love to be able to be a
39:33
home owner one day and paint my home pink.
39:39
And Susie talked to people a bit about the wedding.
39:45
She said the original dress was chosen for a reason because that
39:50
scene was them bouncing on trampolines in their wedding
39:56
clothes. She says they wanted a lot of
39:59
tulle so the tool was flying in the air.
40:03
But then they changed that. When we did the reshoot, I asked
40:07
Jenna if she was cool to wear that dress and she goes.
40:10
I was never a big fan of that dress, so they change it to this
40:16
this very 2000s. Strapless, like a line dress,
40:27
like she looks great in it. But I was like, Oh my gosh, this
40:30
was every wedding gown in the 2000s.
40:34
Half the prom dresses looked like that in varying colors.
40:38
It was just, it's one of those like time capsule to 2000s
40:44
moments. And she said also about that
40:50
scene when she when she changed Jenna's dress, she told people
40:55
Mark was like, wait a minute, she gets a new dress.
40:58
Do I get a new tux? So I went off to Dolce and
41:01
Gabbana and got him a new tux. That's nice because my first
41:05
inclination be no actually makes sense though, because this is
41:10
more of I don't know, it's he's actually happy so he'd be
41:14
wearing something he actually cares about because he got the
41:16
tux like days before. Yeah.
41:17
And like if they're doing reshoots, they she has a little
41:20
bit of a new budget. Like she's probably got some
41:23
wiggle room in there. And it looks perfect.
41:28
They look so cute. And that bring brings us to the
41:31
end of 13 going on 30. Such a good one.
41:34
This film is like a warm hug. I love it.
41:37
It is. It's so good, so funny.
41:42
The costumes are great. Susie de Santo, I mean this.
41:45
I'm surprised we don't see any, like, nominations associated
41:49
with this film. I know because.
41:51
But it was it was the 2000s. It was a ROM com.
41:54
Yeah, so people don't give it this time of day, but I
41:57
definitely would have because this film is everything awesome.
42:00
I mean, it's up there with me. Like in terms of costume wise, I
42:03
think it's as strong as Devil Wears Prada.
42:05
Oh yeah, I would say like, if you're looking for like, films
42:11
that encapsulate 2000s fashion, yeah, top 2 would be 13 going on
42:16
30 and Devil Wears Prada. Yeah, it's, it's really good.
42:20
So with that, what would you give 13 going on 30 in terms of
42:26
a stitch rating? I think 13 going on 30 is a
42:29
solid 5 out of five stitches. Yeah.
42:32
Like 'cause I was shocked it was a 90 minute film.
42:36
Like so much happens and like everyone brings their a game,
42:42
they get straight to the point. It looks perfect.
42:46
Every department was like, we know, we know the brief here we
42:51
are like the acting was perfect. Everything just went together so
42:58
well. This is such a classic.
43:00
And like, like when you're like, oh, what could you improve?
43:04
Like what could you do without? And I'm like, I they got it.
43:07
They got it. Yeah, it's pretty solid,
43:10
honestly. And you know, I'm not a romantic
43:13
comedy person. No, you're not like at all.
43:15
And the fact that I've watched this film 1 gazillion times, it
43:19
just, it just speaks to so many different things.
43:23
And I mean, it's growing up and relationships and, you know,
43:28
work and, you know, moving away and family and all these things.
43:32
I just think it's such a strong film.
43:34
It's a 5 out five for me. I just think everything about
43:37
it. I think all the actors do a
43:39
great job. Even the young actors I think
43:41
are very believable and visually like costume, production design.
43:47
Everything about it is just so much fun.
43:48
I just think they really like captured magic with this film in
43:54
2004. So 5 out five for me.
43:58
It's a good one. It's a tight comedy.
44:00
It's like it's funny from beginning to end.
44:03
Absolutely. And it has like such a great
44:07
like, hey, just like yourself. Yeah, like yourself.
44:10
And it'll be OK. Totally like message.
44:14
It's not just, you know, I feel like there's a lot of just like
44:19
kind of stupid ROM coms from this time period.
44:23
Yeah. But I'm like I think that
44:24
message is what and gives it like classic status.
44:28
I think that's what I mean, at least I cling to, and I think a
44:31
lot of people do. I think the hardest part of this
44:35
film is trying to pick the one costume to rule them all.
44:38
Well, maybe it's not so hard. Roll the tape.
44:43
The one costume to rule them all.
44:54
Spencer, what's your one costume to rule them all?
44:59
Cuz I really don't know cuz you left your your slot on the side.
45:03
I looked blankly cuz I know the obvious answer yes but I'm
45:07
trying to think if I want to throw in like but I mean no it
45:14
just has to be the colorful thriller dress.
45:17
For me too, it's just. Too iconic.
45:20
Like I'm trying to be like, OK, honorable mention to the slip
45:23
dress with the coat over because I just think it does so much
45:27
storytelling. And like that was what they like
45:30
promoted the film. Yeah, it's like the DVD cover.
45:33
So I think it is like just it's very iconic too.
45:37
Like if I were to see in the museum, I'd be like, oh, that's
45:39
Jenna's like you. Know where it's from.
45:43
This thriller color blocked dress though, is so powerful and
45:49
like I love that quote where like Susie said, like this dress
45:52
doesn't know how famous this dress is.
45:55
It's so true. I mean, if this were found
45:58
today, it would be worth money. If they could, yeah.
46:02
If they could find this dress and prove that it was screen
46:07
used for the film, people would pay millions of dollars.
46:10
For it, it's crazy. Like.
46:12
It's such a good one, and it's. So insane.
46:14
And to me, it's not about the money like I want, I just want
46:18
to be like taken care of and put in a glass case somewhere.
46:20
It's just it like, like I said, it like it is plays such a big
46:25
role in like 2000s costume design.
46:28
It's just it's a shame that we don't know where it is 'cause it
46:30
is so strong. You think of Thriller, you think
46:33
of her dancing, the way she moves in it too as she's doing
46:36
the Thriller dance. It just works perfectly.
46:39
And it's also like a 13 year old trapped in this 30 year old
46:43
body. The butterfly necklace on top of
46:46
it is so silly. The hair, like the hair with
46:50
like all the little I'm like I, I wanted like my hair was never
46:54
able to achieve that. And I wanted that look.
46:57
So like this was the look as like a preteen in the 2000s that
47:01
you wanted. Yeah, this is what everyone was
47:03
trying to achieve. It's it's incredible.
47:07
I love it so much. Yeah.
47:09
And that brings us to the end of 13.
47:11
Going on 30, I'm happy to say that I know that there is a
47:17
reboot, I believe being currently in production.
47:21
Yeah, I want to say it's. Reboot or a sequel?
47:24
Not a sequel, OK, because it's a new cast, a good cast.
47:30
I want to say it's on Netflix, perhaps.
47:33
What I mean. Well, not yet. 13 going on 30
47:39
reboot. Although honestly like a 13
47:45
going on 30 where it goes from the 2000s to today would
47:49
actually be kind of cool. That would be funny, yeah.
47:53
What if they did like a reverse where they they go back to?
48:00
To being 13. Or what if she's 30 and she's
48:03
like, man, I wish I was like 13 or something.
48:05
And then she must. Feel like that's how we all
48:07
feel. Right now, I don't know, That
48:09
could be fun. I do know who the costume
48:12
designer is for the reboot, but I won't say it won't blow up her
48:14
spot. But she's very talented and I'm
48:17
very happy for her and I'm excited for when it does come
48:19
out that maybe we could talk to her about.
48:21
It so I'm. Excited to see.
48:24
And with that, this is a fun episode, this is.
48:28
A fun episode. Let us know what you all think
48:31
about 13 on three. Do you have another one Costume
48:34
Rule them all besides the thriller dress?
48:36
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48:38
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49:00
By the time this episode comes out, we should have some brand
49:03
new TV Emmy season episodes. So look out for that.
49:09
Elizabeth. In our next episode, we have
49:11
another banger of an episode that I'm very excited and we
49:15
actually teased it early on in this.
49:17
Season. Yeah, we did.
49:19
We have Almost Famous with special guest.
49:23
Betsy Hyman is back in the studio to talk about Almost
49:28
Famous. Talking about the famous Penny
49:30
Lane coat. I mean.
49:32
Another nostalgic how girl look. I mean, Penny Lane, I mean, she
49:38
captured people's hearts to the to this day.
49:41
Yeah. Almost Famous is full of great
49:44
costumes, too. Yeah.
49:45
Like, not just pennies, but just like the band aids, the just
49:50
like all the bands and the inspiration from all these
49:53
different bands. And Cameron Crows work with
49:55
photography and it's just such a great film.
49:57
I really enjoyed it. Me too.
49:59
And I love talking to Betsy about it too.
50:01
We got a lot of great information.
50:03
So we'll be playing Part 2 of our interview with Betsy.
50:07
You heard the first part when we did Pulp Fiction.
50:10
Yeah. Before we let her go.
50:11
We're like, we gotta talk about Almost Famous, so you'll hear
50:15
the rest of that conversation. I believe it's actually longer
50:17
than Pulp Fiction, I think so, yeah, look forward to that.
50:21
In the meantime, love your life. You are thriving and flirty as
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you are. No reason to zip yourself into
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another decade. No, it doesn't work out.
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It's confusing. It's confusing.
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You won't love it. You won't.
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You won't, unless maybe you're going backwards to the 2000s.
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Yeah, I would like to maybe be thirteen for a day, but I would
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need like a promise I could come back, you know?
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Yeah. Yeah, if I knew I could come
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back, like I'd take a week, take a week off.
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Oh, but then I'd have to go to school.
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But what if it's during summer vacation?
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That's fine. That's fair.
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Yeah. And I was homeschooled at 13 so
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well. Lucky you don't.
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Have to worry about that too much.
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Thanks for listening everyone. Have a great week.