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Sharri | 3 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond in
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Speaker 2: for Sharry Marxon this week. Well, we're waiting to see
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Speaker 2: if Trump can get his big beautiful bill over the
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Speaker 2: line after a handful of Republicans dared to stand in
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Speaker 2: the way. If that happens during the show, I'll make
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Speaker 2: sure to let you know. Plus the bizarre suggestion to
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Speaker 2: ban men from childcare work, I'll explain why that is
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Speaker 2: illogical and offensive in just a moment. And UK Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Sakia Starmer has celebrated, if we can call it that,
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Speaker 2: one year in power. But why on earth was the
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Speaker 2: Chancellor in tears in Parliament today? Tom Slater will explain
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Speaker 2: why later on in the show. Now, sometimes when bad
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Speaker 2: things happen, there's a tendency to look for some kind
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Speaker 2: of immediate solution. For instance, in Victoria, youths brawl with machetes,
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Speaker 2: so the state government says they'll ban them. Now, does
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Speaker 2: that stop knife crime, of course not. Does it stop
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Speaker 2: the sale of machetes, of course it doesn't. Bit like
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Speaker 2: Howard's legal to sell cigarettes that haven't come through the
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Speaker 2: proper channels, and yet you can get them like turning
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Speaker 2: on the tap. It would seem these sorts of knee
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Speaker 2: jerk reactions are quite common, and I saw calls for
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Speaker 2: another one today in light of the horrifying allegations against
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Speaker 2: childcare worker Joshua Dale Brown. He's of course been charged
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Speaker 2: with seventy child sex offenses relating to eight alleged victims
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Speaker 2: at a childcare center in Melbourne, and that is awful,
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Speaker 2: no question. But Louise Edmonds, who's a founding member of
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Speaker 2: the Independent Collective of Survivors, came out today and said
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Speaker 2: men should be banned from working in childcare centers. Is
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Speaker 2: she was on the Today Show this morning.
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Speaker 3: So there is grave concerns and we shouldn't be looking
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Speaker 3: at the equality space and the inn sector. We actually
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Speaker 3: have to look at the safety first and foremost of
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Speaker 3: our most vulnerable citizens, which are our children, and a
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Speaker 3: lot of them are voiceless. So children start communicating well
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Speaker 3: at around two years old. The children under two years old,
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Speaker 3: they cannot speak.
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Speaker 2: Now, there's already no equality in the childcare sector, but
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that in a moment. She went
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Speaker 2: on to suggest that in the meantime, parents should be
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Speaker 2: able to stop men from working with their children.
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Speaker 3: But what can be put in place into daycare centers
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Speaker 3: is first and foremost, overnight literally is a child intimate
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Speaker 3: care waiver. So all day care centers can literally say
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Speaker 3: to the parent, do you opt in or do you
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Speaker 3: opt out at this very moment to actually have a
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Speaker 3: male care outlook after your child.
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Speaker 2: Now. I understand that Louise is a survivor of abuse herself,
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Speaker 2: and I sympathize with her, but you cannot just ban
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Speaker 2: men from working in childcare. I mean that is to
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Speaker 2: suggest that every man is a potential pedophile until proven otherwise.
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Speaker 2: How can you ever actually prove otherwise? I mean, how
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Speaker 2: many years do you have to live on the planet
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Speaker 2: without having interfeed with a child until you can say, yeah,
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Speaker 2: he's fine. There are so many men, through the course
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Speaker 2: of their work who love children and want to help
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Speaker 2: children and be role models and raise them up to
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Speaker 2: be the best future adults that they can be. But
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Speaker 2: people like Louise think they have no place in the world.
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Speaker 2: You know, I get that parents of children who are
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Speaker 2: alleged victims of mister Brown would be feeling awful at
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Speaker 2: the moment, but also consider how the small number of
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Speaker 2: men who do work in childcare must be feeling right
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Speaker 2: now too, when they have people popping up in the
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Speaker 2: media basically suggesting that they're pedophiles by default. They wonder
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Speaker 2: so few men work in childcare. The Sydney Morning Herald
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Speaker 2: reported today that between two and four percent of early
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Speaker 2: childcare educators and preschool teachers in Australia are male. And
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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are plenty more who'd love to do
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Speaker 2: the job because they genuinely want to make children's lives better,
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Speaker 2: but they're too afraid how some people might perceive them.
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Speaker 2: They know that someone's going to look at them and go, oh, gee,
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Speaker 2: you must be a pedo because you want to work
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Speaker 2: with little kids, and so they go, that's not famil
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Speaker 2: leave it to someone else. And that's really sad. It's
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Speaker 2: sad that men are made to feel bad about themselves
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Speaker 2: simply because they are men. And yes, it's undeniable that
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Speaker 2: the majority of child sex offenders are men, but the
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Speaker 2: vast majority of men are not child sex offenders. They're
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Speaker 2: good people who want to do good things. And you
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Speaker 2: must consider as well that it's not just sexual abuse
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Speaker 2: that might be going on in childcare centers. It's all
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Speaker 2: kinds of child abuse. Now I don't want to go
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Speaker 2: into great detail because it's pretty horrific, but there was
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Speaker 2: a case in New South Wales a couple of years
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Speaker 2: ago where a childcare worker used a young kid less
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Speaker 2: than two years old like a mop to clean up
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Speaker 2: vomit literally on the ground. That's physical abuse, and it
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Speaker 2: was done by a woman. In fact, a report in
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen to the Criminology Research Advisory Council found that
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Speaker 2: women were more likely than men to maltreat children. It's
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Speaker 2: head quote. There were important patterns noted in relation to
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Speaker 2: gender and indigenous status. Overall, Indigenous and non indigenous females
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Speaker 2: had substantiations that substantiations of cases of maltreatment of children
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Speaker 2: more of them than Indigenous and non indigenous males. The
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Speaker 2: report also found that the vast majority of child male
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Speaker 2: treatment and abuse happens in the home at the hands
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Speaker 2: of parents, rather than places like childcare centers. So banning
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Speaker 2: men is in some kind of catch all to stop
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Speaker 2: children from being abused, and frankly, it's offensive. Men are
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Speaker 2: already demonized enough in the modern world without being excluded
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Speaker 2: from workplaces on the basis of something over which they
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Speaker 2: have no control and having to deal with people looking
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Speaker 2: at them assuming that they're a pedophile. If you ban
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Speaker 2: men from working in childcare centers, then surely you'd have
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Speaker 2: to ban them from being teachers too. And I know
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Speaker 2: the kids might be a bit older, but it's the
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Speaker 2: same thing really, it's a job of caring for children.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing, of course, is that children need
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Speaker 2: men in their lives, particularly young boys. They need male
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Speaker 2: role models to look up to. There are more than
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Speaker 2: a million single parent families in Australia and eighty percent
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Speaker 2: of them are single mothers. I mean, for some kids,
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Speaker 2: childcare or school might be the only opportunity for them
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Speaker 2: to spend any significant time around a man. You can't
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Speaker 2: take that away from kids. Seems as though the role
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Speaker 2: and value of men in the world is continually being diminished.
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Speaker 2: This is just another example of it. We need more
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Speaker 2: men in teaching and childcare, not fewer. In primary schools,
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Speaker 2: states have as much as four hundred and fifty percent
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Speaker 2: more women than men in their teaching ranks. In high
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Speaker 2: schools there are as many as seventy percent more women.
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Speaker 2: We need more men. Like Hiua Jaldiani. He is the
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Speaker 2: head of the science faculty at Saint Peter's College in Adelaide,
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Speaker 2: and he's such a positive force in the lives of
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Speaker 2: his students that last year, ten year twelve boys, with
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Speaker 2: the support of their parents, spoke to his family and
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Speaker 2: organized to cook him breakfast one day to thank him
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Speaker 2: for his support during the year. They rocked up to
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Speaker 2: his house at quarter to six in the morning and
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Speaker 2: mister Jaldiani walked out of his bedroom to find his
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Speaker 2: house full of students cooking him and his family breakfast,
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Speaker 2: which they then ate together while one of the boys
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Speaker 2: played his piano. They wanted to do a good turn
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Speaker 2: for someone that they clearly respect. I mean to me,
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Speaker 2: that sounds like a sterling group of young lads honoring
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Speaker 2: a man who has clearly left an indelible mark on
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Speaker 2: their academic lives, so much so that they went out
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Speaker 2: of their way to organize a surprise breakfast with his family.
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Speaker 2: But some spoilsport father who's done wasn't even involved, ran
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Speaker 2: off to the advertiser to say that the breakfast was
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Speaker 2: quote deeply troubling on several levels and that he quote
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Speaker 2: felt uneasy that this is a culture that this is acceptable.
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Speaker 2: I mean, even a touching tribute to a beloved teacher
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Speaker 2: is somehow inappropriate to some people because it happens to
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Speaker 2: be a male teacher. I reckon, we need more mister
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Speaker 2: Jaldiani's in the world, more male teachers that command so
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Speaker 2: much respect from their students that they'll get up at
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Speaker 2: Sparrow's fart to cook him breakfast. And I should say
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Speaker 2: I wrote about that story in my advertiser column a
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Speaker 2: few weeks ago, and mister Jaldianni sent me a lovely
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Speaker 2: note to thank me. I feel a bit guilty that
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Speaker 2: I haven't written back to him, So mister Jaldianni, if
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Speaker 2: you're watching, thank you, and I promise I'll right back
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Speaker 2: to you this weekend. But he is proof of just
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Speaker 2: how valuable men are in education and childcare. He is
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Speaker 2: proof of the great benefit that men have to offer.
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Speaker 2: Being a man is not the problem. Well, Penny Wong
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Speaker 2: spent the better half of her morning trying to convince
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Speaker 2: us that Trump is actually keen to meet with alban Easy.
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Speaker 4: We're obviously very flexible about those arrangements. President is a
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Speaker 4: very very busy man. But I was pleased that Secretary
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Speaker 4: Rubio were clear that you know obviously that they're keen
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Speaker 4: for a meeting.
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Speaker 2: The Foreign Minister also sounded a little ambiguous about defense spending.
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Speaker 4: The circumstances are such, I know there will be more
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Speaker 4: capability required. I think we all understand that, and we
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Speaker 4: will fund the capability that Australian needs.
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Speaker 1: So is there.
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Speaker 5: Significance in him not raising with that yesterday?
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Speaker 4: Am I looking too much into this?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 4: I can only report that from the meeting. Obviously there's
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Speaker 4: a lot to.
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Speaker 2: Discuss with me now to discuss. As Director of Strategic
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Speaker 2: Analysis Australia and adjunct fellow at the Institute to Public Affairs,
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Speaker 2: Peter Jennings, Peter, let's start with this non existent Trump meeting.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how long can Albow go without one of
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Speaker 2: these meetings before it does start to impact things like
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Speaker 2: ORCUS and national security more broadly.
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Speaker 6: It's clearly doing that already, Caleb, and I would say that,
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Speaker 6: you know, in the history of the Australia US Alliance relationship,
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Speaker 6: there wouldn't be a time in the past where a
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Speaker 6: president and a Prime Minister have not actually spoken for
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Speaker 6: you know, six or seven months and met to talk
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Speaker 6: about these issues. And it's very clearly now beyond just
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Speaker 6: the challenges of scheduling a meeting. I mean, I think
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Speaker 6: that we are getting a sense of disapproval out of Washington,
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Speaker 6: d C. And the President doesn't see it as a
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Speaker 6: priority to meet with mister Albanezy, even though he's meeting
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Speaker 6: many many other world leaders. And so we should read
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Speaker 6: this as a problem, just as the Americans telling us
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Speaker 6: that we are significantly underspending on defense is a problem.
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Speaker 6: And to refer back to your earlier comments, how is
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Speaker 6: it that our foreign minister can go to Washington and
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Speaker 6: not even want to raise that as an issue? Instead,
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Speaker 6: the question is or was it raised with you? But
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Speaker 6: surely we have an honest enough relationship that we can
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Speaker 6: talk about these things, so that there are problems in
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Speaker 6: the relationship and our government needs to be stepping forward
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Speaker 6: to work out how to deal with them.
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Speaker 2: Well, because Wong says that Rubio Marco Rubio, the Secretary
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Speaker 2: of State in the United States, didn't raise the defense
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Speaker 2: spending with her, why would that be, well.
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Speaker 6: Why wouldn't she raise it with him? I mean, there's
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Speaker 6: a review of aucas They've told us that our spending
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Speaker 6: is significantly under what we should be aiming at. They're
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Speaker 6: concerned that we're losing our military capabilities. Why wouldn't we
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Speaker 6: be raising that first and foremost with the Americans. If
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Speaker 6: we think there's a positive story to tell, Penny Wong
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Speaker 6: should be telling it.
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Speaker 1: They know there's a problem.
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Speaker 6: The reason no one's talking about it is they know
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Speaker 6: there's a serious problem, and the Prime Minister is digging
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Speaker 6: a hole for himself by saying that he's not going
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Speaker 6: to make any changes. There's a sort of a lack
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Speaker 6: of maturity, I think, apart from anything else, and how
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Speaker 6: we are dealing with the US right now, and this
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Speaker 6: is not your normal bilateral relationship. There are principal security provider.
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Speaker 6: We are utterly dependent on them for our security, for
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Speaker 6: much of the military technology that we have, for our
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Speaker 6: intelligence supply, and for the orchestra relationship. And yet somehow
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Speaker 6: we can't bring ourselves.
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Speaker 2: To talk to them. But this is the point, right Peter,
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Speaker 2: in your view, what is behind the pig headedness of
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and the government not to simply say, yeah, sure,
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Speaker 2: will increase our defense spending. I mean, if Trump can
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Speaker 2: go off to NATO and get every country but Spain
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Speaker 2: to sign up to five percent of GDP, they all
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Speaker 2: conside that that's the best thing for them, and for
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Speaker 2: the United States and for the broader world. What is
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Speaker 2: it about Alban Easy makes him think he's special.
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Speaker 6: Well, One, his heart is not in defense. It's just
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Speaker 6: not a priority for him and never has been. Two,
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Speaker 6: he doesn't want to admit publicly that we have a
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Speaker 6: problem with China, because in the alb and Easy world,
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Speaker 6: we've stabilized our relations with China. No one else believes that,
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Speaker 6: But he doesn't want to admit he's made a mistake. Three, Caleb,
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Speaker 6: he discovered during the election campaign that there was some
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Speaker 6: political benefit to him to be seen to be at
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Speaker 6: a distance from Trump, and unfortunately he's carried that into
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Speaker 6: the election.
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Speaker 1: He's won.
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Speaker 6: So you know, now he needs to get back to
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Speaker 6: normal diplomacy, and that means talking to the president. I
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Speaker 6: think there is a combination of a lack of interest
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Speaker 6: in security and a certain stubbornness which is making up
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Speaker 6: and Easy just refused to deal with what is now
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Speaker 6: I think a serious problem in our alliance relationship.
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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned China. Fiji is pushing back against China's
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Speaker 2: efforts to set up a military base in the region
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Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister yesterday was speaking at the National
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Speaker 2: Press Club He also said that he would offer his
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Speaker 2: countrymen to fill our ad of shortfalls, which is a
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Speaker 2: pretty extraordinary move. Of course, that the PM's going off
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Speaker 2: to meet with Jijingping this month, and that'll be his
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Speaker 2: fourth meeting with g with zero of course with Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: these sorts of things should be coming up for discussion,
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Speaker 2: but one imagines they won't be. Well.
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Speaker 6: First, you good on Sidavini Rambuoka for saying what he said.
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Speaker 6: You know, he is clearly now one of the older
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Speaker 6: statesmen of the Pacific Islands region, and I think a
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Speaker 6: person who's very close to Australia and close to the
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Speaker 6: Australian military. So I welcome his comments and I think
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Speaker 6: he also reflects what quite a number of Pacific Island
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Speaker 6: leaders are thinking. As for Albanezi's visit to Beijing, wouldn't
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Speaker 6: it just be terribly embarrassing calib of what happens is
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Speaker 6: that he'll have had four face to face meetings with
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Speaker 6: President g before one face to face meeting with most
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Speaker 6: important alliance partner and by the way, our biggest economic
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Speaker 6: investor in Australia, that's the United States. Something is going
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Speaker 6: terribly wrong here with how Albineez he's thinking about his priorities.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Donald Trump probably won't call him a
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Speaker 2: handsome boy, so he's got that. On the Chinese Ledger
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Speaker 2: right before we go, Peter that the US has stopped
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Speaker 2: some of its weapon deliveries to Ukraine in an attempt
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Speaker 2: to redirect resources to put America's interests first, and in
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Speaker 2: a telling sign that the Kremlin welcomed the reduction of shipments,
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Speaker 2: saying that it would help end the war sooner. And
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Speaker 2: of course that is what the Kremlin would want, but
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Speaker 2: they want that to be in their favor. What sort
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Speaker 2: of rain do you think Trump is trying to pull here?
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Speaker 6: I'm puzzled to really know. And the trouble is that
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Speaker 6: with much of the Trump administration's management of this issue,
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Speaker 6: what you hear on Friday will be changed by the
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Speaker 6: time we get to Monday. You know, my view is
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Speaker 6: by far the most important American interest right now in
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Speaker 6: this is that Ukraine is not defeated by Russia, and
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Speaker 6: if that means supplying them with weapons, that's what the
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Speaker 6: Americans should be doing. The Ukrainians are not asking for
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Speaker 6: American boots on the ground, They're just asking for the
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Speaker 6: weapons to continue to fight the war, and that's in
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Speaker 6: America's interest, in Europe's interest, So i'd hope that's where
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Speaker 6: the Pentagon would come out on this matter. One thing
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Speaker 6: I think at points to calib is that they don't
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Speaker 6: have enough domestic production capacity for their own weapons, and
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Speaker 6: that's something we should be thinking about as well. It
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Speaker 6: means to say that if we're pressed, we can't just
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Speaker 6: imagine that a phone called to Washington is going to
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Speaker 6: break through and create an instant supply for us when
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Speaker 6: America has to meet its own priorities in a conflict.
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Speaker 6: And so there should be some defense spinning lessons that
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Speaker 6: flow to Australia as a result of.
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Speaker 1: This as well.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Peter Jenning's great to see you as always. Now,
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Speaker 2: the Albanizi government's Arts Council has reinstated controversial artist Coloreds
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Speaker 2: Bassi to the twenty twenty sixth venice by ANIALI. Take
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Speaker 2: a look. I've mispronounced that. I know. Sorry, I'll come
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Speaker 2: back to that commitute. But take a look at some
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Speaker 2: of the work he's done. Part of the reason he
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Speaker 2: was originally dumped from the prestigious role. I mean he's
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Speaker 2: done art works of terrorists for heaven's sake, let's bring
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Speaker 2: in now WA Opposition leader Basil's implus and Director of
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Speaker 2: Forest and Wood Communications Australia, Marcus Bastian Basil, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: good enough for him to be sent off in February.
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Speaker 2: That's when they originally yanked him off the line up.
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Speaker 2: Now in July they say he's okay. Am I missing
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Speaker 2: something here? Is something changed in the last five months
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Speaker 2: that means it's now okay to have artists representing Australia
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Speaker 2: who do art and terrorists.
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Speaker 7: These are very good questions you pose caylerb And there's
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Speaker 7: a bit of a saying, isn't there Actually there's across
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Speaker 7: all walks of life. Go with your instinct, go with
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Speaker 7: your gut and creative Australia's gut or instinct was not
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Speaker 7: to allow this artist to be a part of that
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Speaker 7: international competition back and festival back in February. Their instinct
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Speaker 7: was right, their gut feel was right. And I think, look,
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Speaker 7: we all have great love and respect for the arts
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Speaker 7: and creative sector right around Australia, but I think there
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Speaker 7: are some of us that feel there's one rule for
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Speaker 7: the arts community and another rule for everybody. Else and
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Speaker 7: that somehow, under the guise of creative freedom or creative artistry,
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Speaker 7: they're allowed to do anything they want, even if even
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Speaker 7: if the standards in the rest of the community would
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Speaker 7: mean no way would that be allowed in schools, in
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Speaker 7: other public places, in most other areas.
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Speaker 1: Of our community.
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Speaker 7: And so they should have stuck with their initial decision.
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Speaker 2: This is the Arts Minister Tourney Burke, defending the decision.
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Speaker 1: Take a look.
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Speaker 8: I don't put myself out there as an art critic,
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Speaker 8: but when the criticism that was done at the time
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Speaker 8: said these were not pro terrorist works, and the artist
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Speaker 8: himself says there is nothing in this that's meant to
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Speaker 8: in any way endorse terrorism, then I don't think politicians
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Speaker 8: can say, well, you're all wrong, and.
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Speaker 1: It is now.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't quite that outspoken when the band was originally
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Speaker 2: slapped on in February. But Marcus, I'm a free speech man.
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Speaker 2: I believe you should be able to do and say
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Speaker 2: whatever the hell you want, basically as long as it's
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Speaker 2: under your own steam. I mean, if he wants to
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Speaker 2: go overseas and show art works of terrorists, that's his business.
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Speaker 2: But why are we the tax payer paying for it?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think there's a serious problem which is at
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Speaker 9: the heart of the creative community and perhaps the bodies
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Speaker 9: that provide the funding though people who sit within those bodies.
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Speaker 9: There's questions that really should be asked on who is
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Speaker 9: part of these boards, who is part of these groups,
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Speaker 9: whoill provide the funding and the checklists for giving these
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Speaker 9: guys the green light for venice. I mean, ultimately forty
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Speaker 9: years ago we sent people like Sydney and Noland.
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Speaker 1: Goodness grows to me.
20:08
Speaker 9: We had Arthur Street up in nineteen ninety nine, we
20:11
Speaker 9: had Howard Arkley, but really in the twenty first century
20:15
Speaker 9: it's been a fairly lackluster group. There's been a few exceptions,
20:19
Speaker 9: but ultimately this current fellow is just a political commentator
20:26
Speaker 9: who happens to have taken up a creative industry, and
20:29
Speaker 9: unfortunately our industry is heavily, heavily subsidized by the Australian taxpayer.
20:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I believe in funding for the arts
20:37
Speaker 2: because I think the arts is a fundamentally good thing
20:39
Speaker 2: for this country and we do have a great history
20:42
Speaker 2: of the arts in Australia. But too often now it
20:46
Speaker 2: seems that it's the sort of elite lefties using government
20:49
Speaker 2: money that the rest of us give them to then
20:52
Speaker 2: give money to other elite lefties to produce art that
20:55
Speaker 2: no one really has any interesting unless they're an elite lefty.
20:58
Speaker 2: It's the same as the ABC. It's ridiculous. Now here's
21:02
Speaker 2: an interesting proposition. Should taxpayers be footing the bill for
21:06
Speaker 2: weight loss drugs because the Labor government is reportedly calling
21:10
Speaker 2: for these drugs, you know, a zenpic and whatever. They're
21:13
Speaker 2: diabetic drugs originally, but they're now using them largely for
21:16
Speaker 2: weight loss to be added to the pharmaceutical benefit scheme
21:20
Speaker 2: to try and control obesity in Australia. I know they're expensive, basil,
21:26
Speaker 2: but surely these things don't actually treat the underlying issue.
21:31
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can lose weight fast, that's great,
21:33
Speaker 2: But if it's an issue of what you're eating or
21:36
Speaker 2: exercise or I mean a epic doesn't fix that.
21:39
Speaker 1: Well, that's what common sense would tell you, wouldn't it.
21:42
Speaker 7: Common sense would tell you that if a zen pic
21:45
Speaker 7: can help somebody who is struggling with hereditary issues of obesity,
21:50
Speaker 7: they're unable to do anything to shift that weight and
21:52
Speaker 7: it is really affecting their health, and this drug is available,
21:55
Speaker 7: then by all means it should be available and supplied
21:58
Speaker 7: to them.
21:59
Speaker 1: No arguments, they're But if it's.
22:00
Speaker 7: Somebody who just can't be bothered but rather sit on
22:03
Speaker 7: the couch and watch Sky News all night with a pizza,
22:06
Speaker 7: maybe a couple of.
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Speaker 1: Bits, tell them not to do.
22:10
Speaker 7: A few ice creams afterwards, maybe some popcorn and then
22:13
Speaker 7: wash it down with arna't know whatever, donuts or something. Well,
22:17
Speaker 7: that person shouldn't be getting a zimpig. We want them
22:20
Speaker 7: to watch sky News, of course, of course, but we
22:22
Speaker 7: prefer that they brought a treadmill into the living room.
22:26
Speaker 7: God on the treadmill and turns you on. Then, Taylor,
22:29
Speaker 7: that's the way to watch it.
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Speaker 2: I want to photo of you, Basil in your living
22:34
Speaker 2: room on the treadmill watching Sky News. Make sure you
22:37
Speaker 2: get it to us and we'll get it on here
22:39
Speaker 2: when we can.
22:41
Speaker 1: Then you can eat the donuts.
22:42
Speaker 2: If you do exactly, exactly exactly, you get the reward
22:45
Speaker 2: for the work. But Marcus, it's interesting it would seem
22:48
Speaker 2: as though the government would much prefer you to smoke
22:52
Speaker 2: in this country because of course, in the United Kingdom,
22:55
Speaker 2: the NHS hands out vapes for free because they say
22:59
Speaker 2: it's better than smokeoking. They want people to get off
23:01
Speaker 2: the smokes, so they'll hand out vapes for free. Here
23:03
Speaker 2: in Australia, we make it ridiculously difficult to get your
23:06
Speaker 2: hands on a legal vape. But when it comes to
23:09
Speaker 2: being fat, no, no, no, we'll give you drugs to
23:11
Speaker 2: fix that up. It just doesn't make sense.
23:16
Speaker 9: Well, Caleb, I want a reaction from Australia's fat people,
23:19
Speaker 9: whether they're comfortable being you know, the next kiddie pig
23:22
Speaker 9: for the grand sort of medical experiment that will be
23:27
Speaker 9: a zenpic subs of ours by the Australian tax payer.
23:30
Speaker 9: I mean, next we're going to have Albow doing calisthenics classes,
23:34
Speaker 9: you know, beamed into the workplaces of all Australians. I
23:38
Speaker 9: mean it's starting to feel a little bit like the
23:40
Speaker 9: taxpayer is the bearer of all these wonderful new solutions
23:46
Speaker 9: from sort.
23:47
Speaker 1: Of one thought bubble to the next.
23:49
Speaker 9: We shouldn't be funding this, we should be we should
23:52
Speaker 9: be doing exactly as Basil said, which is allowing those
23:54
Speaker 9: who want to sit at home and have a big
23:55
Speaker 9: pizza and some coke and watch Sky News to just enjoy.
23:59
Speaker 2: Their life and joy to k well. The vision of
24:02
Speaker 2: Albanisi doing the calistenics class is a bit like I
24:06
Speaker 2: think it was the twenty nineteen federal election and Bill
24:08
Speaker 2: Shorten took up running and there were all these you know,
24:12
Speaker 2: there's this vision of him running in front of the
24:14
Speaker 2: Opera house and the man boobs and jumping up and
24:16
Speaker 2: down and all this sort of stuff. You know what
24:18
Speaker 2: they should do, you would both remember the old life
24:21
Speaker 2: being it ads. They need to bring back that norm normally,
24:24
Speaker 2: bring that norm that'll fix the country up.
24:27
Speaker 1: Now.
24:27
Speaker 2: The Education Minister Jason Claire, I was talking earlier about
24:31
Speaker 2: this childcare business. He's announced new childcare reforms in the
24:36
Speaker 2: wake of this horrific case a man in Melbourne charged
24:39
Speaker 2: with seventy alleged child abuse offenses. So clear says he
24:43
Speaker 2: wants to standardize working with children checks across the country
24:47
Speaker 2: and cut funding from centers that don't follow the rules.
24:50
Speaker 2: But he was also asked, and this what I was
24:52
Speaker 2: talking about earlier, whether the sector should ban mails from working.
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Speaker 10: This was his response, I don't think that's going to
24:59
Speaker 10: be the solution here. And the former Deputy Onbudsman brief
25:02
Speaker 10: Education ministers on Friday. That's where CCTV reforms coming from.
25:07
Speaker 10: That's where increasing penalties and more information for parents is
25:10
Speaker 10: coming from. We've got to bring all of these recommendations together.
25:13
Speaker 10: That's happening now.
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Speaker 2: I'm not really sure what all of this is going
25:18
Speaker 2: to do, but I can't believe that we're even talking
25:21
Speaker 2: about the idea of banning men from working in childcare
25:25
Speaker 2: centers basal.
25:27
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense.
25:28
Speaker 7: I mean that then suggests by extension, that every man
25:33
Speaker 7: is capable of these sorts of horrific crimes against our
25:36
Speaker 7: absolutely most vulnerable and that is our youngest Australians. We
25:40
Speaker 7: know that not to be the case. We know there
25:42
Speaker 7: are many Australian men working and making significant contributions in
25:47
Speaker 7: the early childhood education space and long should that continue
25:51
Speaker 7: because we all know, as well as the great women
25:53
Speaker 7: who do that work, the importance of having male role
25:56
Speaker 7: models in that space, also at very young ages for
25:59
Speaker 7: the key.
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Speaker 1: And it's a ridiculous suggestion.
26:02
Speaker 7: And what's most offensive about the suggestion, as I say,
26:05
Speaker 7: is it somehow makes a decision about.
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Speaker 1: All men in Australia and it is just wrong.
26:12
Speaker 2: Before we go jints, the Prime Minister has given Triple
26:16
Speaker 2: J the elbow treatment he's come up with his teen
26:19
Speaker 2: nominations for Triple J's Hottest one hundred of Australian Songs.
26:24
Speaker 2: The top of the list is am I ever going
26:25
Speaker 2: to see Your Face Again? By the Angels Here it
26:28
Speaker 2: is you. I think a lot of the country would
26:44
Speaker 2: be saying the words that often follow that that part
26:47
Speaker 2: of the song. And the next on the list was
26:49
Speaker 2: Flame Trees by Cold Chisel. Quickly both of you. Basil,
26:52
Speaker 2: what's your favorite Australian song?
26:55
Speaker 7: Are you going to be surprised by this? I am Australian.
26:58
Speaker 7: By the Seekers, this is hugely controver. I think it
27:01
Speaker 7: should be our national anthem. It's a better tune and
27:04
Speaker 7: the lyrics are stronger and better than our current national anthem.
27:07
Speaker 7: I really think it should be our national anthem.
27:10
Speaker 2: Look, if it's not God Save the King, I'd probably
27:12
Speaker 2: go with that too. Marcus will about yours?
27:16
Speaker 9: That's strong from Basil. Paul Kelly to Her Door. Kelly's
27:20
Speaker 9: an icon. It's a terrific song. It's an absolute banger.
27:25
Speaker 2: I gotta say it was a bit upset there was
27:26
Speaker 2: no slim Dusty on the list. This is one of
27:29
Speaker 2: my favorite slim Dusty tunes.
27:31
Speaker 1: My Goally influence and Meling Penless summary. Sunshine hands flow.
27:41
Speaker 2: When the rain tumbles down in July. We just don't
27:44
Speaker 2: get proper Australiana like that anymore. Marcus Basil, thank you
27:47
Speaker 2: for joining me as always. All right, coming up after
27:50
Speaker 2: the break the latest updates on Trump's big beautiful bill.
27:53
Speaker 2: Expert in the field Tim Lynch will run this through
27:55
Speaker 2: it all soon, but first a new poll is exposed
27:58
Speaker 2: in bare detail. Which age group has deserted the Coalition.
28:02
Speaker 2: I'll tell you next with Pauline Hanson. The Coalition's bad
28:09
Speaker 2: luck is far from over. We're talking about music before.
28:12
Speaker 2: Far from over. There's a good song by Frank Stallone,
28:15
Speaker 2: so thisster Stallone's brother anyway, but it is far from over.
28:18
Speaker 2: There's a new poll showing that younger voters are abandoning
28:21
Speaker 2: the Coalition on mass This survey found that just nineteen
28:25
Speaker 2: percent of voters between eighteen to thirty four support the party,
28:29
Speaker 2: compared to forty percent for Labor. The only age demographic
28:33
Speaker 2: that the Coalition beats Labor in is sixty five and older,
28:37
Speaker 2: which I suppose is not surprising, but it is to
28:39
Speaker 2: some degree concerning with me. Now is one nation leader
28:43
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson. Pauline, it really frustrated me throughout the election campaign,
28:49
Speaker 2: and I'm a young man that there was no message
28:53
Speaker 2: really from the Coalition that would speak to something that
28:57
Speaker 2: young people would be interested in or need. The number
29:00
Speaker 2: one issue in this country is housing affordability and if
29:05
Speaker 2: the Coalition could get on top of that, and of
29:07
Speaker 2: course the continuation of conservatism. For people to believe in Conservatism,
29:12
Speaker 2: they need to have some ownership over something, and that
29:15
Speaker 2: means owning a home where you can get married and
29:19
Speaker 2: raise a family. I mean, these are the building blocks
29:22
Speaker 2: of Australian society. It is bred and but a youth policy,
29:27
Speaker 2: I don't know why the Coalition isn't getting on top
29:30
Speaker 2: of this stuff.
29:33
Speaker 5: You were a spot on with that, and I was
29:35
Speaker 5: about to say that with housing affordability, job security, which
29:38
Speaker 5: is another thing Labor has bought a lot of the
29:41
Speaker 5: young votes with the hex debt, so getting rid of
29:46
Speaker 5: that and also propping up their deposit on the house
29:49
Speaker 5: to actually get in the housing market, which I think
29:51
Speaker 5: is going to see a lot of the young ones
29:53
Speaker 5: fall over with that because they've still got to pay
29:56
Speaker 5: make the repayments to their debt. But the Liberal Party.
30:00
Speaker 5: It doesn't surprise me, Caleb. Where in twenty eighteen I
30:03
Speaker 5: put a policy forward about getting apprenticeships, going one hundred
30:07
Speaker 5: thousand apprenticeships, which finally I had to take the Coalish
30:10
Speaker 5: and kicking and screaming to introduce the policy on apprenticeships,
30:14
Speaker 5: which they finally did and one hundred thousand apprenticeships was
30:18
Speaker 5: created with that policy. They weren't interested in that. They
30:22
Speaker 5: don't have any idea about the young ones, and I'll
30:25
Speaker 5: teach nothing too. There was a young fellow who wanted
30:28
Speaker 5: to join the Liberal Party, so anyway, because he'd had
30:31
Speaker 5: a photo with me, they wouldn't have him part of
30:33
Speaker 5: the party.
30:34
Speaker 2: Because he had a photo with me. They're actually.
30:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he had a photo with me when he
30:40
Speaker 5: was fifteen, so they wouldn't take him on.
30:43
Speaker 4: You know, I'm proud.
30:44
Speaker 5: I'm proud to say that I've launched the Young One
30:47
Speaker 5: Nation Party this year and it's been fantastic to hear
30:50
Speaker 5: from them what their concerns are. You have to bring
30:53
Speaker 5: them on the journey with you have to involve them,
30:56
Speaker 5: you have to ask them what they want, how they
30:58
Speaker 5: see their future, and that's moving forward with the Young Ones.
31:01
Speaker 5: We connected a lot with the young ones through our cartoons.
31:05
Speaker 5: It's waking them up to it because they've been brainwashing
31:07
Speaker 5: the educational system for the last three decades thirty years,
31:12
Speaker 5: and it has infiltrated our system no critical thinking. But
31:16
Speaker 5: it's been bought, the vote's been bought. We need to
31:19
Speaker 5: educate the kids, explain about politics, which we don't do
31:22
Speaker 5: enough in the universities and or in an educational system.
31:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're quite right, and I mean the point you
31:29
Speaker 2: raised about the hex steat is true to them. Anecdotally,
31:32
Speaker 2: I've heard quite a number of people who voted for
31:35
Speaker 2: Labor just on that basis alone, because they thought, well,
31:38
Speaker 2: he's going to wipe some of my student dead off,
31:40
Speaker 2: so I'd be stupid from a selfish point of view,
31:43
Speaker 2: I would be stupid not to vote for that. So
31:45
Speaker 2: I can understand why they did. But there are things
31:47
Speaker 2: that I think could be a Solder's youth policy that
31:51
Speaker 2: you don't typically think of as youth policy. The one
31:54
Speaker 2: that really worries me is public debt. I mean, you know,
31:58
Speaker 2: this financial year will hit a trillion dollars in federal
32:02
Speaker 2: government debt, and who's going to have to pay that off?
32:05
Speaker 2: Young people? So why can't we turn things like that
32:09
Speaker 2: around and say, look, your parents and your grandparents are
32:13
Speaker 2: basically consigning you to a life of financial servitude to
32:18
Speaker 2: the government because you're the one who's going to pay
32:21
Speaker 2: off all this debt. We've got to turn this around
32:23
Speaker 2: so that you've still got a country to look after
32:25
Speaker 2: when you're older, Caleb.
32:30
Speaker 5: People, a lot of people, not even young ones, but
32:32
Speaker 5: the older generation, don't understand that it's the taxes that
32:35
Speaker 5: we pay, whether through the GST or any taxes that
32:38
Speaker 5: we pay buy an item or anything like that, the
32:41
Speaker 5: tax that we pay through our income tax that actually
32:46
Speaker 5: gives us the services, and it's the money that goes
32:48
Speaker 5: in the government for them to spend for our services
32:51
Speaker 5: and what we need to run the country. People don't
32:53
Speaker 5: see beyond that. They don't understand. They don't understand if
32:57
Speaker 5: the government runs out of money, they can't afford to
32:59
Speaker 5: pay for decent hospital, healthcare, age age homes, all the
33:03
Speaker 5: rest of it. People don't look that far. People have
33:06
Speaker 5: come so self centered these days. It's all about me,
33:11
Speaker 5: what is in it for me? And the whole fact
33:13
Speaker 5: is because they're doing it so tough, if they have
33:16
Speaker 5: to say, right, I've got to do the best for me.
33:19
Speaker 5: How do I survive?
33:20
Speaker 1: It's the country's.
33:21
Speaker 5: Changed so much since I was, you know, a girl
33:24
Speaker 5: growing up here and a young woman. And that's how
33:26
Speaker 5: I see the problem. Miss it until the government reigns
33:29
Speaker 5: in their spending and stops taxing the people. And this
33:32
Speaker 5: is another thing, our tax that we had for income splitting,
33:36
Speaker 5: so those young families, whereas the wife can stay home
33:39
Speaker 5: for the children. So whoever wants work, whether all the
33:43
Speaker 5: male wants to stay home for the children, I don't care.
33:46
Speaker 5: Income split so that will actually save the money. You know,
33:49
Speaker 5: split their income, so you're paying tax on the two
33:53
Speaker 5: on you know, two people share the income. So anyway,
33:57
Speaker 5: these are things that need to be changed.
34:00
Speaker 2: I mean in Albanezi thinks his legacy is going to
34:02
Speaker 2: be universal childcare. But I mean just so every time
34:05
Speaker 2: they put the subsidy up, the cost of childcare goes up.
34:08
Speaker 2: It's not over.
34:08
Speaker 5: I can't call it.
34:09
Speaker 2: It's not good policy. While we're talking about government spending.
34:12
Speaker 2: Jeff Chambers in the OSS he's done a follow up
34:14
Speaker 2: piece on his public service expose from yesterday. Today. He's
34:19
Speaker 2: revealed that there's been an explosion in federal bureaucrats under
34:23
Speaker 2: the Albernese government. Look at that graph there from twenty
34:26
Speaker 2: nineteen up to now. The department is set to hit
34:30
Speaker 2: a record two hundred and thirteen thousand staff in twenty
34:35
Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six. My favorite bit was the gender X,
34:38
Speaker 2: which was added as a gender category in twenty seventeen
34:41
Speaker 2: instead of just male or female. Number of people in
34:44
Speaker 2: the public service who say the X has gone from
34:46
Speaker 2: one hundred and six in twenty seventeen to nine hundred
34:49
Speaker 2: and seventy four now, so good on them. Have actually
34:52
Speaker 2: gone backwards in terms of indigenous employment as well. But
34:55
Speaker 2: what on earth are all these people doing, Paulin, Well.
35:02
Speaker 5: Over the past five years, since all the since this
35:04
Speaker 5: government's been in, they've introduced five thousand new regulations into
35:09
Speaker 5: our country. So they've increased the public service for service delivery,
35:15
Speaker 5: for compliance and everything that goes with it, marketing, the
35:18
Speaker 5: whole lot. So that's an increase of forty one thousand
35:21
Speaker 5: people they've put in for this alone, so you know,
35:25
Speaker 5: they're actually making our life worse. You're putting more public servants.
35:29
Speaker 5: That means more taxpayers. Moneys has to pay the wages,
35:33
Speaker 5: and they're on top of that, you've got all superannuation
35:35
Speaker 5: on top of it. Then all your benefits and everything.
35:37
Speaker 1: Goes on top of it.
35:38
Speaker 5: This is a drain on the taxpayers. Delists that money
35:41
Speaker 5: that's Albanisi has also increased. And i'll tell you why,
35:44
Speaker 5: because public servants will vote for labor because they've got
35:48
Speaker 5: a job for life and they're just going not to
35:51
Speaker 5: sack them. And when Dunton, when the Liberal Party backed
35:55
Speaker 5: away from the forty one thousand in Canberra, they were
35:59
Speaker 5: going to make go and work in their in their
36:03
Speaker 5: workplaces and they backed away from the policy. Big mistake
36:06
Speaker 5: that they made. They should have followed through on that.
36:08
Speaker 5: You can't have someone traveling around the country in a
36:10
Speaker 5: caravan claiming that they're working from home, which isn't the case,
36:14
Speaker 5: and we're paying the moneys for that.
36:16
Speaker 1: So the whole it's a whole stupid thing.
36:18
Speaker 5: But who I feel sorry for out there is the
36:21
Speaker 5: white Anglo Saxon male. If you're white in this country,
36:24
Speaker 5: you're flat out getting a job with the public service
36:27
Speaker 5: because they've put on you know, all these people thirty
36:30
Speaker 5: eight thousand where either cultural languens sorry I can't say it,
36:37
Speaker 5: from different language background. And then you have aboriginals, then
36:42
Speaker 5: you have y linguistic thank you, and then you have
36:45
Speaker 5: the aboriginals, then you have all the cultural diverse people,
36:48
Speaker 5: and then you have one hundred and seventeen thousand women.
36:50
Speaker 5: So where's the men and that's the whole problem. And
36:54
Speaker 5: then you have all the gender x these people, you know,
36:57
Speaker 5: people with disabilities. If you're white male in this country,
37:01
Speaker 5: good luck to you, mate, because you're flat out going
37:04
Speaker 5: to get a job.
37:04
Speaker 1: A look at the door.
37:06
Speaker 2: They need where is going. I needed to find jobs.
37:09
Speaker 2: They need to find jobs, paul In for all these
37:11
Speaker 2: people that they imported into the country over the last
37:13
Speaker 2: few years. Mardy, Pauline Hanson, thank you for joining me.
37:16
Speaker 2: Great to see you as always coming up. Sorry after
37:19
Speaker 2: the break. Liverpool is in mourning after their star footballer
37:23
Speaker 2: Diogo Jota is killed in a car crash with his
37:26
Speaker 2: brother ten days after he was married. Tom Slater will
37:30
Speaker 2: have more on that a little later, and more on
37:32
Speaker 2: the big beautiful Bill the Voter is going on at
37:35
Speaker 2: the moment. If there's any updates, we'll let you know.
37:37
Speaker 2: But an expert in UIs politics, Professor Tim Lynch, will
37:40
Speaker 2: join me to discuss all of that shortly don't go away.
37:45
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's number one bit of legislation, the Big Beautiful Bill,
37:49
Speaker 2: is still being debated in the House now. Of course,
37:51
Speaker 2: there's been some pushback from Republicans, and it's been a
37:54
Speaker 2: real fear that several would rebel against the vote, but
37:58
Speaker 2: against it because it was his massive tax and spending
38:00
Speaker 2: build this thing, because they're concerned that it raises the
38:03
Speaker 2: debt ceiling too much and that it basically does nothing
38:07
Speaker 2: to alleviate the financial problems that America is facing. So
38:11
Speaker 2: certainly not over yet, and the struggle to get here
38:14
Speaker 2: I think highlights the fractures between the MAGA crew and
38:17
Speaker 2: other parts of the Republican Party. So with me now
38:20
Speaker 2: as an expert in all of this, Melbourne University professor
38:22
Speaker 2: of American politics, Tim Lynch Tim these cracks only going
38:27
Speaker 2: to get worse. And in the grand scheme of things,
38:30
Speaker 2: does it matter.
38:33
Speaker 11: Good evening caliber, Yes, they will get worse. And I
38:36
Speaker 11: don't say that because I'm some sort of profit it's
38:40
Speaker 11: because that all I think almost we have exception since
38:44
Speaker 11: the Second World War, every second term presidency, and Trump,
38:48
Speaker 11: though he had a gap in the middle, still I
38:50
Speaker 11: think meets the demands of this particular pattern. All end
38:55
Speaker 11: in failure, They end in in scandal, and had Watergate,
39:02
Speaker 11: Reagan had Iran Contra, George W. Bush had the global
39:08
Speaker 11: financial crisis, and of course Barack Obama. His second term
39:14
Speaker 11: was consumed with Trump's winning run for the presidency, So
39:19
Speaker 11: we shouldn't expect much of a second term, even though
39:22
Speaker 11: Trump is a remarkable political actor, and he's not.
39:25
Speaker 1: A successive second termer.
39:28
Speaker 11: And I think added to that historical pattern, calab It's
39:31
Speaker 11: just the fact that as we move towards Trump's exit,
39:36
Speaker 11: and I am confident that exit will come, certainly if
39:41
Speaker 11: it is dictated by the Constitution, which I'm confident it
39:45
Speaker 11: hope it will be, rather than by an assassin's bullet
39:48
Speaker 11: or some other nefarious plot, will end on January the twentieth,
39:52
Speaker 11: twenty twenty nine. That means his power will never be
39:55
Speaker 11: start to abb Now, I just wonder whether this big
39:59
Speaker 11: beautiful bill might be pete Trump, that this is the
40:04
Speaker 11: moment when he's at his maximum influence and power only
40:08
Speaker 11: several months in. There's still energy, there's drive, there's ambition.
40:13
Speaker 11: But if he can't get this through, certainly, if he
40:15
Speaker 11: can't get it through, but if he can't get it
40:17
Speaker 11: through cleanly. I think the fractures in the MAGA movement
40:22
Speaker 11: and the wider Republican conservative movement will start to start
40:26
Speaker 11: to appear.
40:27
Speaker 2: Because the man that got it through the Senate is
40:29
Speaker 2: the Vice President JD. Vance, and he has often talked
40:33
Speaker 2: about as the successor to Donald Trump, that he would
40:37
Speaker 2: end up being the Republican nominee at the next presidential election.
40:42
Speaker 2: So if these cracks open up, what are the chances
40:46
Speaker 2: that you could end up with a JD. Vance in
40:49
Speaker 2: the mold of Donald Trump running for election when this
40:53
Speaker 2: term ends, or does the sort of the establishment of
40:58
Speaker 2: the Republican part he to put it that way, try
41:02
Speaker 2: to risk back control from the mega crew.
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Speaker 11: Ah, that's a great question. I think the establishment is
41:08
Speaker 11: the Mega movement. The establishment at the moment while he's
41:10
Speaker 11: president is Donald Trump, and what he's shown in his
41:14
Speaker 11: business career and in his presidential time is that he doesn't.
41:18
Speaker 1: Like the ideas of successors.
41:20
Speaker 11: I mean, you think how he's relegated his children between
41:23
Speaker 11: the first administration and the second. I don't think he
41:26
Speaker 11: holds a very powerful candle for JD.
41:29
Speaker 1: Vans.
41:30
Speaker 11: I think he's flattered that he's seen as the guy
41:33
Speaker 11: that brought him through, but I think he'd rather like
41:36
Speaker 11: to see a battle for his legacy because he knows
41:39
Speaker 11: whoever comes after him is going to be a very
41:42
Speaker 11: inferior version of Trump himself. So Marco Rubio is the
41:48
Speaker 11: other guy to watch. I think that whole cabinet is
41:51
Speaker 11: one of the most diverse in terms of gender and
41:54
Speaker 11: race in American history. But it's also it's like a
41:58
Speaker 11: bag of snake's caliph and they are all starting to
42:03
Speaker 11: forge alliances with each other to oppose one another. This
42:07
Speaker 11: will become more apparent as we move towards the mid
42:10
Speaker 11: terms and after he's really in lane duck territory there
42:13
Speaker 11: because he can't run again and the successor won't be
42:17
Speaker 11: anoint anointed and it's unlikely to be, and you'll get
42:20
Speaker 11: a much more fractious Republican Party. And we're seeing the
42:23
Speaker 11: intimations of that this evening with the difficulty of passing
42:28
Speaker 11: his big beautiful bill.
42:29
Speaker 2: We've only got a minute team. But of course, the
42:31
Speaker 2: other place where there's some fracturing in the party is
42:34
Speaker 2: Trump's foreign policy. I don't think you can argue with
42:38
Speaker 2: the results, though, I mean it worked in a round.
42:40
Speaker 2: Now he says he's trying to get the ceasefire going
42:43
Speaker 2: in Gaza. What do you think the likelihood is of
42:45
Speaker 2: that ceasefire holding very quickly?
42:48
Speaker 1: Well, who knows.
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Speaker 11: What I think I'd say calib is that Trump has
42:52
Speaker 11: brought an ingredient that's been lacking since the Uranian Revolution
42:56
Speaker 11: of nineteen seventy nine. It's that idea that he's got
43:00
Speaker 11: a trigger finger, that he's prepared to take very strong
43:04
Speaker 11: military action, but that he's not interested in regime change.
43:07
Speaker 11: And partly this is his instinct, well it's what he's
43:10
Speaker 11: grown up thinking, but it's also a way of trying
43:13
Speaker 11: to balance two impulses within the MAGA movement or within
43:17
Speaker 11: broader Republican politics. And one is that you use American power,
43:21
Speaker 11: hard power abroad to realize American interests. You invade and
43:24
Speaker 11: conquer and do regime change of regime change.
43:27
Speaker 1: And the more rand.
43:29
Speaker 11: Pall guy that opposed the bill in the Senate, who says,
43:32
Speaker 11: no America should be doing less for the world. Trump
43:35
Speaker 11: so far, I think we should give him some credit
43:38
Speaker 11: for being able to balance these two things and seemingly
43:41
Speaker 11: to have set back the Uranian nuclear program. We don't
43:45
Speaker 11: know how long, but also to effect a ceasefire. Barack Obama,
43:50
Speaker 11: who spoke the language of peace, never got close to
43:52
Speaker 11: positive effect that Trump has.
43:55
Speaker 2: If you've ever seen anyone who probably deserves a peace
43:58
Speaker 2: price Jnald tru Well Obama, he certainly will. We've got
44:04
Speaker 2: to go unfortunately, Tim, but it's been great having you.
44:06
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me. Don't go anywhere yet. The
44:08
Speaker 2: shocking death of Liverpool star Diogo Jota. Tom Slater will
44:12
Speaker 2: have the latest details next.
44:17
Speaker 7: Well.
44:17
Speaker 2: British Prime Minister Sakia Stamer has marked his first year
44:21
Speaker 2: in power, not with a party Downing Street confirmed, but
44:24
Speaker 2: with a low key cabinet meeting. And I can't understand
44:27
Speaker 2: why there hasn't been much for the Labor PM to
44:29
Speaker 2: write home about, apart from bad news spiked online and
44:33
Speaker 2: at a Tom Slater is with me now, Tom, tell
44:36
Speaker 2: me how you described him in your latest piece. It
44:38
Speaker 2: certainly wasn't in glowing terms.
44:41
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not.
44:42
Speaker 12: I mean this is a prime minister who believes in
44:44
Speaker 12: nothing and has achieved nothing. I think he's shown over
44:47
Speaker 12: the course of this year, which really feels like ten.
44:49
Speaker 12: It's been that painful that you know, running the proverbial
44:53
Speaker 12: welkstore will probably be beyond his ken. It really has
44:56
Speaker 12: gone tremendously badly, tremendously quickly, and I think it's just
44:59
Speaker 12: a complete repudiation of all the people who said when
45:03
Speaker 12: this government came in replacing the Tory, supposedly that kind
45:06
Speaker 12: of Brexity populist blip was over, we were going back
45:09
Speaker 12: to politics as usual.
45:10
Speaker 1: Well, it turns out politics.
45:11
Speaker 12: As usual is useless, and he's breaking records for unpopularity
45:16
Speaker 12: at this point.
45:17
Speaker 1: He really could go down in history.
45:18
Speaker 12: I don't think it's hyperbole to say it as one
45:20
Speaker 12: of the most disastrous elected prime ministers we've ever had,
45:23
Speaker 12: just because of how quickly it has unraveled.
45:26
Speaker 2: It's been quite extraordinary. I mean, and the blokes had
45:28
Speaker 2: more flops than flip flops than Bondai Beach in the
45:31
Speaker 2: immigration stuff. You know, he turns around and he's basically
45:36
Speaker 2: just copying reform. He sees what he is coming to
45:39
Speaker 2: eat him and he goes, ah, well, I must be there.
45:42
Speaker 2: But the problem with pretending to be things you add.
45:45
Speaker 2: And it's the same when you work in media like
45:47
Speaker 2: we do. I mean, the viewers can sniff out at
45:50
Speaker 2: ten paces if you're not sincere, and voters can tell
45:53
Speaker 2: when a poly's not being sincere too.
45:56
Speaker 12: No, absolutely, and that was one of the most humiliating
45:59
Speaker 12: U turns recent He gave this big set piece speech
46:02
Speaker 12: on immigration where he said, if we continue down this
46:04
Speaker 12: road of high immigration, low integration, we're going to become
46:08
Speaker 12: an island of strangers. All the usual suspects got very
46:11
Speaker 12: upset by this. There was a lot of ostentatious offense taking,
46:15
Speaker 12: and in recent interviews he said that he regrets it
46:16
Speaker 12: that he didn't read the speech beforehand through his speech
46:20
Speaker 12: writers under the bus. And I think what we've seen
46:22
Speaker 12: with Kirs Staliner's this is a man whose only consistent
46:24
Speaker 12: political view has been that he would quite like to
46:27
Speaker 12: be prime minister. Now he's like the dog that caught
46:29
Speaker 12: the car. He doesn't know what to do with it.
46:31
Speaker 12: And I think that's why we're seeing it all just
46:33
Speaker 12: become such a mess so quickly.
46:35
Speaker 2: Now. The Chancellor of rachel reeves she has been emotional
46:39
Speaker 2: in the common stammers was repeatedly asked whether he would
46:42
Speaker 2: support her. She's visibly tearing up. What's going on.
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Speaker 12: I mean, the backstory here is a little bit confusing.
46:49
Speaker 12: There's a lot of speculation in the press that this
46:50
Speaker 12: might have come after an argument with the Speaker of
46:53
Speaker 12: the House of Commons, perhaps an argument with the Deputy
46:56
Speaker 12: leader of the Labor Party, Angela Rainers. There's also some
46:58
Speaker 12: reference to some kind of un known personal issue that
47:02
Speaker 12: she's going through. But at the same time, I don't
47:04
Speaker 12: think it's unfair or callous. Of course, we all have
47:06
Speaker 12: our human moments, but this is another sign that they're
47:09
Speaker 12: just not up to it. They are cracking under the pressure.
47:13
Speaker 12: And it's whilst on the one hand, your heart goes
47:16
Speaker 12: out to it to a certain extent. This is why
47:17
Speaker 12: you expect a high caliber of resilience from your politicians,
47:21
Speaker 12: because when the going gets tough, they do have to
47:23
Speaker 12: face it down. Both her and Stal's even capable of
47:25
Speaker 12: doing that.
47:26
Speaker 2: We've been on a musical thing to don't You Billy Ocean,
47:29
Speaker 2: When the going gets tough, the tough kid going. Some
47:31
Speaker 2: breaking news tonight star Liverpool forward Diego Joto has reportedly
47:36
Speaker 2: died in a horror car crash along with his brother
47:39
Speaker 2: in Spain. Twenty eight years old. He only got married
47:42
Speaker 2: last week.
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Speaker 12: Tom It's absolutely tragic, awful news coming out of Spain.
47:47
Speaker 12: I mean, Diego Jotta, he was riding high. I mean
47:50
Speaker 12: he had not only just got married to his childhood
47:52
Speaker 12: sweetheart a couple of weeks ago, you know, he just
47:55
Speaker 12: won the Premier League with Liverpool. It just shows what
47:58
Speaker 12: how cruel, fake and be sometimes. And your heart just
48:01
Speaker 12: goes out to his wife and his three young kids
48:03
Speaker 12: who are now going to have to pick up the
48:04
Speaker 12: pieces after this horrendous stragedy.
48:06
Speaker 2: Indeed just terrible. And before we go, I can age
48:08
Speaker 2: you go without asking about a course the Clesterbury business
48:11
Speaker 2: this week. I'm sure it's been big over there as
48:13
Speaker 2: it has been in the rest of the world, but
48:15
Speaker 2: there are calls for the BBC Boss team Davey to
48:17
Speaker 2: stick down after we lit the whole thing go to
48:21
Speaker 2: ear live streamed in full. Should he go?
48:25
Speaker 12: I think his position is fast becoming untenable. He was
48:27
Speaker 12: at Glastonbury when those blood curdling debating chants were sounding out.
48:33
Speaker 12: He tried to intervene, but they didn't pull the live feed.
48:36
Speaker 12: They pulled it down from Eyeplayer, but by that point
48:38
Speaker 12: the damage had already been done. This was being beamed
48:41
Speaker 12: into millions of people's homes and it's not the first
48:43
Speaker 12: time this is something like this has happened. The BBC
48:45
Speaker 12: has had one scandal after another. It seems to be
48:49
Speaker 12: institutionally blind, at the very least towards anti Semitism and
48:53
Speaker 12: the kind of hatred we've seen expressed. I think my
48:55
Speaker 12: only kind of concern or caveat is that this is
48:58
Speaker 12: clearly not necessarily from Tim Day. There's a broader problem.
49:01
Speaker 12: Is that kind of Israeli phobia, anti israel prejudice is
49:04
Speaker 12: the water that people at the BBC swim in, and
49:06
Speaker 12: that's a big problem to try and tackle.
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Speaker 2: Tom. Thank you for joining me tonight, now, thank you
49:11
Speaker 2: for joining me all week as well. It's been great
49:13
Speaker 2: to fill in for Sharry. She'll be back with you
49:15
Speaker 2: next week. I'm off for a week off myself too,
49:18
Speaker 2: but I think I might go via the man cave
49:20
Speaker 2: and pick up that bottle of rum Paul Murray has
49:22
Speaker 2: sitting over.
49:23
Speaker 1: There a cheer.
49:23
Speaker 2: Watch out, Paul, Is it still there? Here? He is