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Parting the Seas of Animation: Why The Prince of Egypt Still Resonates · Project Geekology

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode 116 of Project Geekology.
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: And here we are once again in ancient Egypt.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: We are approaching the pharaoh of all podcasts and just asking him to let our podcasts go.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: I am one half of your host, anthony, and joining me, as always, is dakota and you guys are playing with the big boys now, um, we are also joined with a third co-host, rich.
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: Say hello hey guys, pretty excited here, I think.
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: I think this episode is going to get a lot of juicy reviews.
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: You think so why?
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: do you say that?
• 0:41
  Speaker 3: I mean just to offset the dryness of Egypt.
• 0:43
  Speaker 3: But no, I think we're going to have scorching hot takes in the sands of time.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: Speaking of juicy reviews, we've been trying to incorporate the idea of you guys should review our podcast, Five Stars Juicy, and we use the term juicy just because it's it's fun and it it caught on somewhere down the line.
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: The only thing I could find that was like remotely juicy in this movie is like there's there's a scene where moses has like a bunch of figs in his hand.
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like that looks juicy, so oh yeah.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: So the funny thing is is that I went over that whole spiel and we talked and we didn't even say what movie we were covering, which is gonna be dreamworks movie in 1998 the prince of egypt was it eight or 1999, I thought uh, no, no, it was 98 oh okay, so all right, so I I have a correction to make to you both.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: I texted you that you, you know, the mummy and this movie, the Prince of Egypt, took place in, or were released in, the same year, but I guess I was a year off or like six months off or something like that but it does share some similarities in terms of, you know, just like certain aspects of the of the two movies.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: Like we spoke about, some of the characters that exist in the mummy that you know actually existed in real life, one of those being Seti I, the pharaoh, that's the pharaoh that's killed in the beginning of the mummy.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: That person, seti I, is in this movie depicted as the pharaoh that exists while Moses is still, you know, in Egypt, before he leaves and goes into the wilderness.
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so there's some connections there and both films are also very liberal with their interpretations and they make a lot of creative liberties, I should say, and it works for both movies and I think it works for this one.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: So I'm excited to talk about some of that.
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'll try not to be too Egyptology-ish, that's not a word.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: I'm trying not to go crazy with the Egyptology stuff, this podcast, because I could probably talk for like 30 minutes about it, but yeah, we're discussing Prince of Egypt, guys.
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: Before we do any of that, though, let's jump into what we've been up to this past week.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: Rich, I'm going to hand it off to you.
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: What have you been up to?
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: Well, let's see, Work-wise things kind of heat up.
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's kind of always lines up.
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: This year April 20th is my big deadline at work.
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: I have to make sure that there are a lot of things taken care of, submitted, shared.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: I have to manage over like 12 different people and 200 something students and make sure that everyone meets deadlines.
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: So kind of in the middle of that that's been taking up a lot of my energy.
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: But also can't forget that the New York Metropolitans have returned home and I returned home, I went to opening day and then I went to the next day, which was bitterly cold oh my god man and stayed two days ago it was like so cold.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you were, or that was that yesterday.
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: So that was the fourth game which I did not.
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to friday, saturday, sunday, and then I took a day off, not a day off.
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: It was so cold up here that they actually moved the time from 7 10 to 4 10 and I've never seen it moved because of just the cold, but it was windy and cold so they moved it.
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: It was brutal anthony.
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: Like it, like this past week in new york, like last week, was nice, it's beautiful, almost t-shirt weather, and then this week, like last night, it was in the 20s.
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: It was in the 20 degrees last night.
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know what is going on with the weather up here.
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, hey man, you know, we were in a nice crisp like 70 degrees Today.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: It dropped a little bit to, like you know, the morning it was like in the like the upper 60s.
• 4:45
  Speaker 3: So it was pretty good rough times for you, sir, but I know it's hey, florida, that's, that's like, that's like parka weather but all in all it was nice to get back in the swing, nice to go to the games, and my son likes to score the games so we score it together, so it's just and honestly, the best part about it is I'm technically outdoors so I'm.
• 5:05
  Speaker 3: When my wife basically wants me to touch grass, that's what I do it.
• 5:08
  Speaker 3: I touch it at the baseball field.
• 5:10
  Speaker 3: So what have you been up to?
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: Dakota?
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: nice man, before we jump over to me, are you, uh, still actively playing mlb the show like how's that going, how's that going?
• 5:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you.
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: I I've been feeling really good about my playing, all right.
• 5:22
  Speaker 3: I've been feeling I'm collecting lots of the cards.
• 5:23
  Speaker 3: I've been feeling really good about my playing, all right.
• 5:24
  Speaker 3: I've been feeling I'm collecting lots of the cards.
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: I've been closing out collections.
• 5:28
  Speaker 3: They're still I think it's four days left in the season.
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: I've gotten almost everything I need for the next.
• 5:36
  Speaker 3: It's called the second inning, which will be kind of like the career, the reward path that I'm really excited that I I maxed out the first one.
• 5:43
  Speaker 3: I've got some kind of voucher that I earned for the second one, so I'm looking forward to that.
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: And then I went to the med game with my friend and apparently he is somehow more of a degenerate player than I am.
• 5:56
  Speaker 3: So you have to get to a certain level to get a special card for each team and that is going to be like a pack, revealed on april 24th, I believe.
• 6:09
  Speaker 3: So you need to get 15 out of 30 mlb teams.
• 6:11
  Speaker 3: It's quite a lot of xp.
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: To earn very specific things.
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: You have to pitch with different pitchers.
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: I've been winning games with lots of low, low, low name, low level, no name guys, because that's all I have available for that team and I got 15 of them almost and I'm so proud of that.
• 6:29
  Speaker 3: And this guy goes well.
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: I got all 30 teams.
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: Listen to me when I tell you that there's always a bigger digit I, I.
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: I think they say that in phantom it's just I.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: I was sitting there.
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: You don't understand.
• 6:45
  Speaker 3: We're both teachers, right?
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: We both have families, and I just was like I don't know, aside from using uppers to stay up and never go to sleep, I don't even know how I could play more MLB.
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: But I found out that one of the big mistakes I'm making is I should be playing in Colorado, because I like to play at Citi Field.
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: The conditions are the conditions in Queens, but if you play in Colorado, every game it is the high altitude will actually drive the ball out more often.
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: So I could be getting more home runs if I just played in Denver, that's bizarre, bizarre, that's okay.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: It's bizarre that the game uses real world altitude physics in its like programming.
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: That's.
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: I'm actually impressed by that.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: So if there were any way to like get me into that, if the collecting cards aspect wouldn't work, that actually might, you know, push me over the top.
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: That's kind of cool.
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: I do want to mention I was a little late to sign on today because you said cards.
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: Charlie, my son started playing the pokemon pocket card trading game and like we just ripped 10 packs before we got down, like he was like wait, I have enough to open 10 packs.
• 7:59
  Speaker 3: Dad and I was like let's go.
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: So it was uh, he got a.
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: He got aidgeotto EX, which we were pretty excited about.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: Excellent, I love that.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: All right, I'll take it back from you.
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: What have I been up to?
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: I think mostly I've been watching.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: Well, the finale, the season finale of White Lotus, season 3, happened this past weekend and that was nuts Like.
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: That was a crazy ending to that show.
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: There's nothing I can say that isn't a spoiler, especially you know.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: I know Anthony is watching the first season.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you finished the first season yet, anthony, and yeah, I don't want to spoil it for anyone who is listening and potentially wants to watch that show, but very, very good show, very worth worth it.
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: And now I am in the middle of season two of severance.
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: So severance is an apple tv series where it's like a serious, like mind-melting show in a very literal sense.
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: So there is this idea, this concept.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: It's like a parallel world to ours, but in this world there's a sci fi concept that's almost Black Mirror ish, where they introduce this concept of severance where when you go to work and clock in, there's a chip in your brain that basically like resets.
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: So you have no idea who you are on the outside.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: You only have an idea of like who you are on the inside.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: So if you've only been working at this company for a month.
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: Technically, that individual who you are as a worker has only existed for a month.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: So you kind of grow into this role.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're not babies.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: They understand english and everything, but they have no concept of the outside world and the people on the outside have no concept of what's happening on the inside world of you know.
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: A severance like work, workflow, whatever.
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: So it's a really crazy system and as the show goes on, you realize that this company that these severed individuals are working for, lumen, is not what it seems.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: It almost like like extreme cult, like has an extreme cult like following and all that and it's just super freaky stuff.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm really enjoying severance.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: It's a really cool concept and, yeah, the the lines between you know the any, the person who's like the inside you who's working, versus the outside person who's just living their day-to-day life starts to blend and it's just, it's just chaos.
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: Really, really good show.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: But I think that is all for me this week.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anthony, what have you been up to?
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: Have you finished white lotus season one?
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: no, no, no, I haven't finished that yet.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: I don't really have much that I've had going on, except for I'm a week and a half in my new job role, so I've been, you know, doing a lot of learning, a lot of brain dumping.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: There's definitely a lot that I'm not going to know when I start this role, and it's not as how long is the period where you are, you know training.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: It's two weeks.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: Two weeks of training, yeah.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty long training session, yeah.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, with this job role, there's a lot that goes into it.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: I could be doing anything from helping somebody reset their password to going into their files and helping them with like program stuff, you know.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: So there, yeah, yeah, there's definitely a lot that I won't know.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, is that, like, there's only so much that the trainers can go over, because not every scenario happens all the time.
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I worked in an it job for a little bit.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: This was back in like 2011 2012.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: My least favorite thing to do was reset the drivers for printers because for some reason, printers reset all the time.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: They just break down constantly and you have to like reset them.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like I reset the same printers.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: You know in that year and a half that I worked there so many times.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that's my least favorite part of that job, but you know there was some cool stuff in there, but yeah yeah, yeah.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: So the thing about like our stuff is that a lot of it is like kind of in network so you can access a lot of like printers because they are in the network and you know we can go as far as to like logging into, like the individual, like printer, not just the drivers on a computer but, like you know, getting the printer pinging, pinging the printer to make sure that it's connecting to the network.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: You know just different stuff like that.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: But the thing is is that there's only so much that they can kind of go over.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: And I mean the cool thing about the trainer is that he is doing like live calls and like kind of like showing us and like live tickets and stuff and you know just to like show us like the different scenarios and then how to like kind of like annotate, like tickets and stuff.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I do believe that like I will be busy, but I don't think I'm going to be anywhere as busy as I was working at a branch and that sounds insane because I'm going to be helping all of the branches.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: But the thing is is that I've been to other branches and a lot of the branches are really slow dude, like the one that I was at was like a main hub and like we were just crazy busy all the time.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are times in a day where it gets a little busy, like I suspect that like I could probably help, you know, maybe anywhere from.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: You know 15 to 30 like max, you know on a day, and then like, maybe the busier days a little bit more than that.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: You know on a day and then like maybe the busier days a little bit more than that, whereas, like when I was in a branch, I was helping a lot more people and doing like a lot more transactions.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: You know, like so I'm I'm pretty used to like high volume and like this doesn't seem as high volume.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: It will, though, once we go through our next merger, so it'll probably pick up a little bit.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: No, it will pick up a little bit dang sounds like you are the perfect candidate for a severance I do.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: I do forget about my, you know, outside life, when I clock into, uh, I clock into work, but but yeah, no man.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: So you know, it's been, it's been good, been good.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I do like working from home.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think I ever want to work in a building again, dude.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: I totally get that.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the biggest thing for me is just work, and you know not much.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know we're still watching through One Piece.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch any episodes.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: I I think like in a week and a half I watched some today.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: So but but yeah, man, nothing, crazy man.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if you guys have anything else that you needed to add to what you've been up to, but I think it's safe to say we can hop into the topic I think this is a rare podcast where we actually start talking about the topic at hand prior to the 20 minute mark.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: So you know, pat ourselves in the back a little bit.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: There guys, we are here to talk about the Prince of Egypt.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: This is an adaptation of the Exodus story, the story of how you know in the Bible or the Torah, how Moses led the Hebrew slaves out of captivity from basically a very tyrannical and cruel ruler who is an unnamed Pharaoh in the Bible.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think this movie does a really good job of taking what is there in the Bible and just wrapping a motivational children's story.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: You know, it is very spiritual and I think it gets the spirit of the story mostly right, even though it does take a lot of creative liberties.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: But we'll talk more about that in a little bit.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Anthony, you said you hadn't watched this movie since you were a kid.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, how do you feel going back to it?
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: it was crazy.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: It really did bring me back to when I was a kid.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: I I remember seeing.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: So I do remember seeing this in theaters and this was like back in 98.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I, I know I wasn't even 10 yet at that point.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I was, I was young.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Um, I do remember it seeing it, like you know, a few more times after that, my parents getting that movie.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: So I remember seeing it, not just once.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I saw it a bunch of times when I was a kid, but after a while I just never saw it again.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it always popped up in my mind and I always see it pop up online and I'd be like man, yeah, I remember that movie and I remember just how I thought the art was really cool and I kind of remembered some of the songs a little bit and yeah, man, it was wild.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Going back to this movie, how about?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: you what was awesome.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: You've seen this.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I watched it with my wife, jen.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: She had never seen it so I was just like, oh, oh, let's throw it on.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: It might have been five, six, seven years ago or something like that.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: You know, it was not super long ago, so I I I do have this more fresh in my mind than you do, but prior to that it had been a very long time.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Like you, I also I don't think I saw it in the movie theater, but I did have the dvd and it was one of my favorite dvds because it had, like a there was a special feature.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: That was when, like you know, when dvds first came out, the special features.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Like you needed to watch the special features because it was the coolest concept, like you, just get extra movie yeah, yeah and a lot of background stuff, man, I loved.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I love the, the special features and like extra stuff and like the dvd versions of, like the extended editions of, the lord of the rings oh yeah, you know so and all that, yeah, so yeah no, no, you're right.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Like that was that time, yeah, like we had definitely got extra and and the the special features I feel like nobody cares with the blu-rays or anything like that like there's.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: If you ever go into like the special features for stuff like that, it's pretty bare, there's not much there.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: They'll show you like.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: This is the teaser trailer.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: This is the regular trailer.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: This is an interview with the director oh, yeah, you know, but there was a really cool special feature on this particular movie that was a rendition of when you Believe.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It's the big emotional song when they're leaving Egypt and it's a multi-language version, so it's the same exact clip of them.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: You know, like Miriam and Zipporah singing.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: You know the song when you Believe, but every five to 10 seconds it switches to a different language and it's really well woven and it's like 25, 30 something languages like throughout the course of the song and it's a really beautiful piece.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: You can find it on YouTube, even though nobody like has uploaded a clear version in a very long time, like the.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: The newest version that you can find online, at least on youtube, is 17 years old.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: It looks like it was recorded on a potato, but it's really.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: It's a really beautiful scene and if you have the dvd, that would be the ideal way to watch that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I do not have that anymore yeah, yeah, I know same here it's.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been lost over the years.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: But lost a time.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It is now ancient history, but you know we have someone on the podcast who had never seen this movie before.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: It's like you guys, I don't know how you found the recesses, dark recesses of my mind for things that either I've stayed away from on purpose you know purposely stay away from or things that I just okay.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Well, you said that Val Kilmer was the voice of God.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And Moses, right yeah and Moses.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the best part.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: No, he's not the voice of Moses.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: No, he's not.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I think he's literally just God.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, I think he has multiple voices.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I think he's two voices, does he?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure he has two voices.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: He might be like Ralph Fiennes.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Ralph Fiennes.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: That's Voldemort.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Isn, that's voldemort, isn't more val kilmer.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Am I?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Am I wrong?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Moses?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And god, yeah, val kilmer was moses.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Oh snap, okay, so I was.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I was confusing, because I listened to the, I listened to the music, oh yeah, so this makes it okay.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: So that makes it hilarious, because I did not even know this was an animated movie.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I there's like this movie.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about it, right, I thought it was gonna be like ben-hur, right, and that val kilmer was playing the voice of god.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: So when I saw that it was animated I was like whoa what?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: So I was already super surprised going into it, because I can't explain to you why I like dreamworks movies.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I've seen many other dreamworks movies.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I don't remember this existing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I've never seen the movie, the cover, the poster.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing a commercial.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe how many people were in the movie that I know I was like it's a massive cast jeff goldblum.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Before goldblum like I mean, yes, it, it's craig martin short, it's his buddy, that steve martin, steve martin, right, sandra bullock's in it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I was like whoa, helen mirren, helen mirren patrick stewart, michelle pfeiffer what I heard was actually, this was actually like a stacked.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: This movie was stacked.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I heard Patrick.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Stewart's voice and I paused the movie and I went who the, you know, pardon, my French is in this movie and I, you know, went ahead and was like oh man, this is nuts.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I had this.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I think it was the exact same moment where I heard a voice that I recognized.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I was just like I can't picture who this is in my head, but I recognized that voice so well and I looked it up.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: That's also when I saw the cast.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: So the reason I, the reason I was so convinced that val kilmer wasn't the voice of moses, is because he doesn't do the singing yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, that's that's, that's what threw me off there.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: But, like, ralph fines does do the singing role, so he plays ramses and dude I love.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: First of all, the music in this movie is just so incredible.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: The, the song let my people go where it's like a it's it doubles with moses singing.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Why won't you let my people go?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And he goes.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I will not let my people, your people go.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It's such a great duet and whenever I hear ralph fines I cannot not picture voldemort.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm just picturing voldemort singing.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So if you ever listen to what's the name of this song I want to like, actually it is called, oh, it's called the plagues.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's, that's the name of the song.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It's ralph fines and amic byram, who I thought was the voice of moses.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it sounds like voldemort.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: If you, if you listen to that with the lens of this, is voldemort singing.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: It's so much funnier I know that we decided to cover this movie.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: You, you know it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: We thought it would be fun to like stay in Egypt.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: But also, you know Val Kilmer.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: He does a couple of voices in this movie like you know two major like characters and I was wondering what he got top billing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I kept looking at it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I was just like man.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: He only has a couple of lines.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he's like the top build actor on this, but that changes the way I see the movie.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how I didn't realize that, but all right cool.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, we, we lost them a couple weeks ago, man or was it?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Last week, it was last last week, yeah, yeah.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, man, going back, you know, watching it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: As an adult like you have much more of an appreciation for like the artwork of of stuff and like the artwork and this is like so good man, I'm like this was 1998 it's 98 it's so creative, like the way that the backgrounds are just like the really bright pastel colors and like the really fluid motion of, like the anime, the animated characters, and it blends that like cartoony vibe that is so typical of dreamworks and disney at that time, like the facial expressions that characters make, the sinister grins that, like the evil dudes have.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: It blends all of that so well and it really takes a lot of like creative license with, you know, incorporating egyptian iconography and stuff into it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Like you know, like last week on, while we were talking about the mummy, I kept saying like whenever it's a egypt movie, they have to put the pyramids in the background.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: They just can't help themselves.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: They did that in this one too this doesn't take place anywhere near that, but hey they're right there, hey man.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Look, we have to let people know that it's in egypt.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know, one of the one of the things that I really liked about you know, and kind of like going back a little bit to the artwork, is that like it's 2d animation but they give it like dimension, like it looks almost 3d but it's 2d yeah, they did the same thing that, like early avatar did, where they it is a 2d show or in this case it's 2d movie.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: But they do incorporate slight cgi elements that you will notice of like, if you like are paying attention, like the scene where moses mother sends him into the, the river, with, you know, in the in the basket.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: The basket is cgi yeah but it's like a flat cgi so it blends in with the 2d animation.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: It's it's really really clever.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it a lot yeah, I thought, I thought that that really held up, like because you know I'm thinking, oh, it's a 1999 movie, what's the animation going to be like?
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: But I thought it definitely is, in that you know, like Mulan-ish kind of style it's definitely crisper than you know, like, of course I'm going to reference another kind of well, middle Eastern Aladdin.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I loved that movie and I watched it a couple years ago and it doesn't.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: The animation's just a bit behind this.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: so yeah, it's.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: It's like around the time of like lion king and all that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: It's like the early 90s disney movies had.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: They weren't as I don't want to say, they weren't as creative, but it was a different art yeah you know, that doesn't necessarily hold up today, because it's not incorporated at all today.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: So that's why this to me, I was pleasantly surprised for a 25 or more year old movie 27, that's older than my students.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: It looks better than Minecraft.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Sorry, had to take a shot.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Minecraft was purposeful.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Though it's crazy, you know it's actually.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: It looks better than Minecraft, sorry, I had to take a shot.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Minecraft was purposeful though, I know, but let's not get into that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: That could be.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: That's a whole other episode, gentlemen.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: That could be but you know, have you guys seen the Minecraft movie, or a Minecraft movie, whatever?
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: it's called.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I'm politically opposed.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I actually did, I actually did.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, I actually did.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, you didn't bring it up.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I forgot, we don't have to say anything else, guys.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: We don't have to say anything more.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Well, honestly, tell you truth, like I mean you might not like it, but like Dakota and I were like really big into it before it blew up actually yeah, we, we were playing the beta before.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It was like a.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I would say like I think what?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: 2012, 2013?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: , like around there is, when it blew up, we were playing this like back in, like 2010.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to put it this way yeah, that was.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Did you guys grow up with Polaroid cameras?
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were around, yeah.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Like people would use them.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, but they weren't popular.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: They they're around, yeah, like people, yes, but they weren't popular they weren't, so they were very I'm a little bit older.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: They were very popular, right, my grandfather, I mean, that's all we used, basically, all right, I was gonna say I'm pretty sure it's older than you, yeah, it's older than me, but that was that was our prime, like like photography method, and I, you know, when I got something better, I was like wow, this is so much like I would never, why would I ever go back?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: and now my students walk in with polaroids, you know, and they're like oh, isn't this so cool?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: And they're waving it and the quality is terrible, you know, like because they've got these terrible ones, and that's kind of.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's just like the five dollar polaroid cameras, yeah, and that's kind of how I feel and I don't want to insult more.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: But that's how I feel about Minecraft, because for me the style harkens back to what.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't have a choice, so I don't want to return to the choice.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So for me it's like okay, you know, playing Atari was was rough man there's actually some really good, you know, and I'm and I'm gonna leave it at this because we got to get back to the movie but there's some really good indie video games that like tap into that retro vibe that like you're completely missing out on.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: If you don't like that vibe, I'm telling you there's a lot of really good ones, like cuphead, cuphead, dude.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Cuphead's really good.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Well, there's cuphead.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You also have octopath traveler, which is really good.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: There's a lot stardew yeah, stardew, stardew is really good just like the thing is hollow night, the just how sticks said you know, and mr roboto, my dude, I believe the line is I am the modern man and that's all I've got.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: But uh, you know, speaking of of going back in time and using things like papyrus, I don't know, I thought the beginning of the movie kind of threw me off a little bit.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: It actually made me pause and go to like go and read websites, because there was no mention.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Before moses is sent down the river, you see the soldiers moving in the background oh, but for a formative movie right for a children's movie right.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: there was no like decree, like heard like firstborn.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: You know, son, you know Hebrew boys will be killed because yes, I sat there and I went why is she sending them away?
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: And, like I know, I was kind of naive in the moment, but I was like her two other kids are fine, why is she only sending this one away?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I was really kind of thrown off for a second because I remembered it in my head that I knew the announcement was made, so that's why they did this right, or that's why she had to make this decision right.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: And then it doesn't get.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: You know, we find out later, obviously, but in the moment, especially because that's the most screen time the mom gets, you figure, it's just like I'm, all I see is her running away and then just sending one of her kids down the river and that's it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: So I, you know, I went to catholic school and everything growing up, so I was wait a minute, I'm like I've heard this story before like this isn't right, you know, and I think the liberties they took were just difficult for me because I, because you know the story.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: So well and yeah, I, I'm also in the same boat where the account is very clear After she, you know, sends him into the river and is found by Pharaoh's daughter.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: She's raised by Pharaoh's daughter, but Miriam Moses's sister kind of tricks Pharaoh's daughter into you know, calling for you know, like a wet nurse.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And that wet nurse nurse, quote unquote is actually moses's real mother.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So moses's real mother raises moses as the son of the daughter of pharaoh.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: so she should have been in the movie more, yeah yeah, and that kind of that threw me off because it gave me this.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I was just like why is she, you know, doing all this?
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: And then that's it, and then we don't see her ever, and that was a little.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: And then that also creates the moment later in the movie where Moses had completely no idea and he ran.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: And it just look.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say this about any time I read a book before I watch a movie.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: The way I saw it in my head is the way it's.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: That's the canon, all right, and if you change it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be disgruntled.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I like that a lot and I feel the same way.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Actually, I think, because I wasn't so critical of the adaptive qualities when I was a kid I look over everything like that.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: But you know, as an adult who has you know, like over everything like that, but you know, as an adult who has, you know, like, obviously, read this account, it's, it's a little bit harder to swallow and, yeah, it's, it's not up there with the most like faithful biblical adaptations out there.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: But like, for instance, he finds out, like it they said they set this all into motion so that he can have this dramatic reveal that he isn't actually Egyptian but one of the Hebrews, one of the slaves, and that sets him on a path that eventually leads him to, you know, killing one of the enforcers who's whipping a Hebrew slave In the movie.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Slave in the movie, that makes sense.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: But in the reality of the, the story that's told in exodus, he knew he was a hebrew growing up it says that he was, you know, sympathetic to the cause of the slaves.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Like that was part of his personality, you know.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if we're gonna be like really critical about every single thing that they changed.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: We'd be talking for like two hours, but yeah yeah man, anthony, what a good old your thoughts on?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on the like changes like that?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Do you mind as much?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I mean you don't like you know growing up and and reading the and and like knowing the story you know, yeah, it hits you with, hey, that's not right, but from an entertainment perspective not all the changes were bad.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess depending on who you ask, it can be bad, but I guess for the movie purposes it wasn't bad.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: It gets most of the beats right, right, that's what that's.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: That's where I kind of fall with it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Like, at the end of the day, moses does get the people out of egypt, like that's right, right, right.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I think, like some of the like major things that happen, you know, like the burning bush.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the brush is actually that's a fantastic scene yeah, it gives me chills every time I watch it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: You know, take your sandals off, you're standing on holy ground.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: That's so good.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And now that I know that val kilmer was talking to himself in that scene, it just kind of elevates that performance even more.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: He's in a sound booth doing both parts and that he's like all right he had two.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: He had two mics and he had to like run back and forth one had a little bit more reverb so yeah
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: like what I?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I just, and I'm sure there's there's a way to find out right, but you have so many different actors like big name actors for this movie and val kilmer gets two roles like I, I, somebody else, it could have been a nice little easter egg.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Or I mean like maybe mr feeney you know he had, just he wasn't mr feeney yet you know he had finished night writer.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Uh, that would have been, I don't know, I just it's a weird, unless like that was in the contract, why would he get both?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe he really liked this story.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe he was just like I got to get.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe he signed on for Moses and you know, while in the recording booth you know he like did a couple lines and they're like, oh, I kind of like that it's also, it's not really uncommon for somebody to get multiple roles in an animation.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: And the thing is is, is that like so, something that dakota said earlier?
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Why would you hire this whole other person to speak a few lines in a movie?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: You know so, like they already had like a cast set.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been somebody else within the cast, yeah, of course, but they decided to go with val kilmer.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like I, I, I don't think that you know they're somebody.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Getting a double role in the movie was was a bad thing.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I see it all the time.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Video games do it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Anime, definitely.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anime, oh my gosh, dude, anime.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: If you look at some of these credits in an anime, like you know some of the people they'll have credit for voicing like five people, dude, it's crazy.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: But dude, you knew that the voice of God was Val Kilmer, but you didn't know that it was Moses, so he did a good enough performance to separate himself.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: They're definitely separate.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly so.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I think he did a great job.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he killed it Exactly, so.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I think he did a great job.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he he killed it.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, and I think Moses is uh.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: What's what's funny, like if, if they had chosen to go like a more biblically accurate route, I don't think they would have chosen Jeff Goldblum for Aaron they would have chosen Jeff Goldblum for Aaron dude you can hear that it's him.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's very much so his voice.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I remember like hearing that I was like wait.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I said is that who I think it is.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And then I looked it up and I was like, yep, that's absolutely him yep, yeah.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: So so the actual account whenever Moses is speaking to Pharaoh, it's never actually Moses speaking to Pharaoh, because Moses claimed that he had a speech impediment.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So at the burning bush scene in the Bible, he's just like but I'm not very articulate, I don't speak.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Well, god's like I'm bringing Aaron over and he's going to, but I'm not very articulate, I I don't speak.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Well, god's like I'm bringing aaron over and he's gonna be your mouthpiece, basically.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: So he's actually the one who speaks to pharaoh every time.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So having jeff goldblum be like, yeah, you're, you're gonna let let the people go um, probably wouldn't have worked, dude that like he was like the most like, like he stuck out like a sore thumb, like as far as voices dude oh yeah, he never sounds not like jeff goldblum, like it's the most distinct voice like, but it was good to it was.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: It's always fun to like hear him like patrick stewart did well enough to not sound like himself at least to me.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think I picked it up until I recognized, I recognized the voice, I just could not oh he, I, I don't know, I, I absolutely love him.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've heard his voice in so many different roles that that's what he was the guy.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: He was the impetus for me to stop and check out the voice cast, because once I heard my man, patrick stewart, I was like, okay, that's my captain, jean-luc Picard.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, I watched a lot of Next Generation.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one scene that's Spaceballs right, what that's?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Spaceballs right.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're pulling my leg.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: You're pulling my leg.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: You guys are listening.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Oh man, you should have seen Rich's face, guys.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: He was looking at the camera like are you kidding me?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was going to do.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: He was looking like he needed somebody to snap a Muslim gym.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah we should actually do Spaceballs at some point.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: That's actually a really fun movie.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: It was actually one of the decent parodies, yeah, but yeah, man, this there was a fair bit of musical numbers, but it wasn't over the top where it felt like it was a straight up musical.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I felt like the musical numbers were well placed and they really drove.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Some of them were lighthearted and some of them were very dramatic and I felt like they were great.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: The musical numbers were all like really good well, that's the thing too.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Like with the, with the musical numbers, they drove the plot forward.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever, whenever it was a musical scene, they express a jump in the story, they kind of bridge gaps, except for the scene where they're leaving egypt, like that was, you know, like very intentionally, like in the moment yeah, but most of the musical scenes that happen showcase time moving on you know, like there's there's.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: There's a song the plagues that happened over a long period of time, you know in the actual book of exodus, but in the movie that's a five or like a four minute scene.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: You know like they kind of encapsulate that into like four minutes through song and even like the beginning where, like rich, you were saying that you were having trouble following or you didn't understand the decree, they do, like you said, you have the soldiers running in the background in that scene, you know, like trying to find young hebrew boys, basically.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: But you know, if you you're rewatching that with you know like looking for those things, you'll find it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: You'll find that kind of stuff hidden in that song number, basically, and it does inch you into the story.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: But, like, if you take other movies, like, I think, frozen, when it's a musical number in Frozen, I'm thinking like let it go, they pause the movie so that Elsa can sing, let it go.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Like it breaks the movie up.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: You know it's not a narrative song that moves the story forward, it's a pause in the movie so that Elsa can sing, versus this movie which is all narrative, driven like songs, and I think that works so well and it makes it not feel like a musical.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, like so you're.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: You were talking about plagues and how.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: That is like showcasing something that happens over a period of time and I think that they do well in showing that it.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: It is something that's happening over time, just like you know, condensed for the song, like you know the drought and the famine, and it showed, like you, you know, you can tell, especially like watching it was like yeah, this is something that's happening over time.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: This isn't something that's happening, you know, in the span of a day or a couple days, you know, and so there's that.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And then, like the whole development of his relationship with his wife, you know, moses, you know from the from, from like the start up until they get married.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: That drives the narrative of you know them establishing that relationship up to the point to where they get married.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: You're right, they do such a good job at picking really good songs and really doing a lot within those songs.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: While I was looking for where to stream this movie, I discovered that there's a second movie in this vein that I had never even heard of.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: It was like a direct-to-DVD sequel, but it's actually a prequel, because it's about joseph.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: It's called joseph something, something dreams oh yeah, I've never heard of it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I seen it long time ago long time ago yeah, anyway, I was just like so surprised that that movie even existed.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And yeah, just a short aside, speaking about the plagues, the first plague where he turns the water into blood.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: What a great scene oh my god, like that's so.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: It's just such a powerful moment, like just the staff going into the water and the way that they visualize the slow, you know, spread of right it turning into blood and how that affects the egyptians in the water.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Super cool the way they did that and it looks like actual, like, you know, like if you were like blood in the water.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: It looked exactly like that real effect.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: It spreads like that yeah if you go back to that scene when moses is standing in the river, you can see that there's like a ring around him of like normal water, yep, and then after that point it it's red.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: That's such a cool little detail.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: It's such a cool detail because it didn't affect the Hebrews.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: This plague didn't affect the Hebrews, so they had regular drinking water.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: The Egyptians did not.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Thinking about that, that is cool.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: When they do stuff like that in this movie or other movies like it, this is a detail that you don't need to have for the story to continue, but it just makes it so much cooler.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know yeah, yeah.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Another scene that like, really, like you know, really blew me away too was the um parting of the red sea.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: That was insane, dude, and like you know, like how massive both sides looked, you know, yeah um, like a super stylized like wave, almost that doesn't crash.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Really, really cool rich.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: What do you think of that scene?
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: that scene was the second time that I paused the movie so that I could.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do a little research, you know, and I was like, oh, okay, just delving into different weird uh stuff.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Just uh, you know, like the interpretation that it was maybe sea of reeds and that you know that isn't a yeah, so that's a possible you know.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: So that it's like because I always like kind of recontextualizing stuff in that way to kind of digest it differently, I would say, than when I was a younger, when I was a wee lad listening to the stories in school and at Sunday Mass in Spanish, which was that much harder to suss out what I was really understanding.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I'd be like wait a minute, did that guy do this?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: And the grandfather's like yep, his, did that guy do this?
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: And like grandfather's like yep, his name's Job, we'll talk about him later.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: So I uh for, for the, for those listening who don't, who aren't following, with the sea of reeds.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: There's a belief out there that the red sea is a misnomer or mistranslation that has occurred over the course of years and that it's the sea of reeds that is most likely or you know that some people believe is most likely to be the location where that could have happened or would have happened.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a theory.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say yes or no, or I don't know, I have no idea.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I've read one article about it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was watching the movie and I went back to it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: You you know.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: It is a cool theory and, like you said, it's cool to recontextualize certain things.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: But obviously I'm glad the movie did not go with that kind of line of thinking because the wall of water, and I mean it just, and then you know, even with the visual play it had, with the fire blocking the Egyptians, you know that was a really, you know it was cool, because I think it's really easy to mess that scene up, because everybody watching I would assume almost everybody watching this in my opinion knows that part right, like that's the part that like if when I watched the ridley scott movie exodus, gods and kings, and the sea just like dries up because it's just like the low tide or whatever, that was the most disappointed moment I think I've ever been in a movie theater.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I was just like, oh come on.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: That's so lame.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, show me the magic, show me the miracles, dude, but yeah, this movie.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just just gives you.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Because I got lulled into all right, they're leaving, and I was like I guess they're just going to hit the impasse, but then he's going to split it, so we're good.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: And then you have the Egyptians coming over the hill.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: You see, Ramsey's head kind of pokes up.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: And that's when you're like, oh what?
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: And that's why, like, the fire was great too.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Because then you're like, oh, wait a minute, there's no way they're going to get through that fast.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: So they, they kind of thought of everything there to really heighten the drama and then kind of, you know, make everything believable in the world they had already built.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Right, there was nothing there that was extraordinary or unbelievable for what we've already accepted can happen in this world totally yeah yeah, that pillar of fire was.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: That was actually really cool they.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: They did a really cool job with that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Speaking about recontextualizing, you know common knowledge, or like what we perceive to know, about these stories.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: A common thing for you know, for people who want to, whether you believe in this story or not, you know like there are certain things in history that could tie this story to reality.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: And a common thing that, like atheists and certain scholars, will try to suggest that, because the Bible says that the Hebrews lived in the city of Ramesses, this must mean that it's suggesting that they existed during the reign of Ramesses II.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Ramesses the Great, basically, who's like the most praised, or like most?
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: He's the most popular pharaoh in Egypt in terms of like the works that he created.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: So it's actually an anachronism.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: So how do I explain this without like stumbling over myself?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: So Ramesses he existed in the 19th dynasty.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: The story of Exodus dates itself much earlier, a couple hundred years earlier, and that obviously doesn't line up chronology-wise.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: So if you're looking for proof that the Israelites were a people that existed in Ramesses, like Ramesses the Great's Egypt, you're not going to find that, so you'd have to look elsewhere.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: It would have to be quite a bit before Ramesses.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: So, like there are certain theories as to like what pharaohs actually existed, because the pharaoh itself isn't named in that account.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: But we know that when it term the city of Ramesses 400 years earlier in Joseph's time, so he can't have existed back then as well, you know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: So most likely in the course of hundreds of years of translating, it became known that that area of the world became known as Pyramuses, so they would just say the city of Ramesses in translations of the Bible, so that people would know where exactly the Israelites were at the time when they were in Egypt.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that idea that Ramesses the Great is the pharaoh of the book of Exodus is just a complete misreading of the text.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: But there are a couple pharaohs out there that if you contextualize their story with what happens in or after the book of exodus, it does match up pretty cool.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys want me to tell about those or or not, but we can continue talking about the Prince of Egypt.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, yeah.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Now I mean you can, you can, you can like put it down because I mean it's all like relevant, because it ties back to the story that this movie is based off of.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, I feel like you should do timeline so like this.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: You know you, you really kind of.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I might, I might might have a timeline.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I think you have a knack for this, okay, all right.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: All right, so we'll start.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: My two favorite theories are pharaoh akhenaten of the 18th dynasty and dudamos of the 14th dynasty or 13th 13th dynasty.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's start with akhenaten, so it's a little bit closer to Ramesses' time period.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: His father or actually it would be Amenhotep III would be the pharaoh of Egypt in this telling, basically.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: So Amenhotep III exists, the story of Exodus happens and then something strange happens in the next pharaoh's run, where Amenhotep IV changes his name to Akhenaten and decides we're only worshiping one god now, not the 300 gods that we've had for all of Egyptian history, but we're going to serve a monotheistic god now.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: So the idea there is that there was such religious and cultural upheaval because of what happened to the Egyptians at the time that the next pharaoh was just like no, we got to worship that god instead, and he's the only pharaoh in all of Egyptian history that is a monotheist.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: But it's not necessarily the Hebrew god he's worshiping.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: He's worshiping the Egyptian sun, god Aten, as the one and only god.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: So that's a theory I don't know if I buy it the one that makes the most sense to me is Deutemos, so for him this one's pretty cool.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: There's a Jewish historian that existed around the time of Jesus' day who quoted an Egyptian historian from a couple hundred years earlier named Manethos.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: So Josephus is the Jewish historian he quotes, manethos.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Manethos is a historian of Egypt and he basically said that in Deutermos' reign, pharaoh Deutermos or he called him Thutmose.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: He says in Thutmose's rule, god smote him or God blasted him and sent him into ruin.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: And then, after that point, other nations raided egypt because there was a power vacuum and that basically started.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: That was the end of the middle kingdom and the start of the second inter intermediate, something like that.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the second intermediate period where basically, like, there was a period of time where, like, egypt was broken, they were just completely broke for, you know, a short period of time where, like, egypt was broken, they were just completely broke for a short period of time before the new kingdom popped up and Egypt got on its feet again.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: So the theory there is that that quote from the Egyptian historian Manathos is basically saying that you know, this singular God brought Egypt down in this guy's reign and afterwards other nations basically raided Egypt because they were very easy to raid.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: At that point they had no workforce.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: So it's a cool theory.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: It lines up better, like that would be the closest chronologically to what the Bible says, or what Exodus says, is the timeline of that event, and I think it's only like 50 or 60 years off the mark, maybe a little more than that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: So it's a possibility.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm going to stop talking now because I'm going crazy here.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, were you guys able to keep up with that?
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that made any sense.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, like, keep up with that.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that made any sense.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Totally no, no, no.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I understood that that, like you were, you know that there's a lot of like theories out there and that you know one kind of lines up with the other.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: You know that that's the crazy thing about like things that are not, I guess, like heavily documented, so like a lot of it's just speculation at this point correct.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like dudamos, the one that I believe is closest to the pharaoh of the egyptian, or like the exodus account, very little is known about his reign outside of what that egyptian historian, manethos, from like 2 bce, had to say about him.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: That's such a cool name, though, dudamos dudamos d-u-d-i-m-o-s-e yeah, man he's.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: He was a dude he was a dude who did not let people go.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe all right, let's jump back into the movie.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Did you guys have any other thoughts about anything?
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be more like disney.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: I guess I was expecting a little bit more jazzy numbers at first, so like they, were really well done and powerful.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: There is a jazzy number.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one, but I was, you know.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Look, I, growing up, I watched a lot of the Disney movies over and over again, because that was always like.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: You know, I have a sister who's a year younger than me, so she you know we would have to trade off.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Like you know, I have a sister who's a year younger than me.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: So she, you know we would, oh yeah, we would have to trade off, you know.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: So I wanted to watch batman 89 but I had to go watch, you know, lion king again, or little mermaid or whatever.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: So you know, aladdin is one of my favorites and part of it is that the music was fun, you know, I guess like fun to follow, and I did.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: There is a point where earlier you guys mentioned how it moves the plot, right.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Well, my brain, from like a small child, was trained that the way I could get through the movies that I didn't want to watch was to kind of like block out the songs a little bit, right, which is crazy, and I know this is crazy because all those movies have songs.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: So my first watch of the movie because you guys know I always watch it twice I kind of zoned out during the song, right, and then the songs would end and I'm going, oh, whoa, scene change something.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Like something happened right.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: So I had to.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: I found myself two or three times going back because I listened to the melody and everything you know.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: But I just don't, like I'm not processing because, like you said, like with elsa singing, you know, like I'm just I'm kind of ready to, you know, I I almost kind of consider a break time for my brain, you know you clock.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know just it's a huna kumitada man.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: You know just a wonderful phrase.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: You know it's just, you know no big deal.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's the one thing that I'm not used to a lot.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I I guess I'm used to more musical numbers being the performance piece and not a narrative piece.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Well, DreamWorks isn't really like that, though DreamWorks is like nothing, like Disney.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: A lot of the musical numbers in their movies and I'm not saying that every movie is like that, but a lot of them drive the narrative Like even with what do you call it?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Like Shrek.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Shrek had those musical numbers were just silly ones, but there was a lot that was happening in those musical numbers, you know.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: You know, like the development of the relationship between, you know, shrek and fiona.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like you know.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dreamworks is very much so like their music.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: It may be silly in some movies, but they're trying to drive the story along and not pause the movie I never thought about it that way, yeah yeah, so yeah, dude, I guess I didn't see it because trick had the trick had.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Like you know, it's a hero for hire or whatever.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: I need a hero in that kind of sequence, right since they had some of the popular tunes that I knew growing up from like 80s movies.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: It made it.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: I think it made it more accessible in some ways, and a lot of those were like a montage set to like a an awesome 80s song yeah, it's mostly montages you know, like those I can pay attention, you know I can.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: That's like a little bit, I don't know.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: It's just made the way my brain works.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I think I hear music guys.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I'm just like expecting like some mindless tune and it tricked me so uh that I I did have to go back and then I was more appreciative of it.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: You know, because since I had it really kind of caught it the first time, my second watch through, I was expecting it more and I knew some of the lyrics of the songs.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: So it was definitely a more enjoyable second watch.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: And part of that was also because I didn't even know I was about to watch an animated movie.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: I had no idea that I was going to be singing, so like my expectations were completely flipped.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: So the second watch was kind of a little bit, I think, more informative.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Would you say that after the second watch you were delivered?
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't want to let go.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: You know, I was like I'm not gonna let go and then it was like no, you'll let go.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: And I was like I won't let go, and it was like you'll let go.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: And eventually I found myself letting go, like for me it was a, it was a great rewatch know, kind of going back to a movie of my youth that you know I remember seeing way back and I remember seeing a lot of it when I was younger.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, it was fun.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I forgot how much I enjoyed that movie.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: It's a good comparison that you made Rich to Disney movies, especially like classic disney movies, because when there is musical numbers there's occasionally a pretty significant villain musical number.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: You know, in little mermaid you have poor, unfortunate souls.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Sung by ursula, we have scars song.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Scars song I forget is the the name of scars song but it's basically like almost like a nazi march I think it's be prepared be prepared.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, such a good, good one.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: As soon as you say be prepared, like I just you hear be prepared, I'm thinking of others, mother's mother knows best.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: In entangled mother gothel's song there's tons of them, but anyway, in this movie, one of my favorite villain songs of all time is playing with the big boys oh, that was good, it's just yeah, the snake scene with with steve martin and martin short oh my gosh, that's what made me think like I was like that scene right, like that's what I was waiting for more of you know, know, like that, I'm kind of used to that stuff.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you yeah, where it that?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I will say that that probably didn't move the story along as much, but it is an important scene in the narrative of the actual story because it's basically the first time you know God tells Moses to perform a miracle in front of Pharaoh.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: But the way that they do it, where the magic practicing priests decide that they're just going to show off all their gods, is so good because it just goes way harder than it needs to.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Basically it's a good time that scene, yeah, that one was really fun and that's kind of a little bit the style I, you know.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Like I look the songs that I liked most in the disney movies.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: You know, we're like, if we're talking about aladdin, I like street rat, where it's a kind of like fast-paced, like jokey kind of going on, whereas, like you know, I was definitely rolling my eyes when a whole new world was coming on when I was a kid I was like oh, not this one again, you know so it was part of me being like also.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: I think it's like when I watch a movie like this, I'm kind of like a 12 year old boy again, you know, going like all right, well, I could watch some of these, you know, but like, don't tell my friends and I don't like that one and that one, but I that one's okay, you know watching Aladdin as an adult is interesting because a whole new world has an entirely different meaning.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: It's, it's a, it's a massive innuendo.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Like there's no way, it isn't, there's no way.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Like every single line in that isn't it?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: It's, it has to be.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Like there's and and and.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Jafar is way creepier you know when you now you're like that's like the sultan's friend, right like you, dudes are the same age.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Like whoa, what whoa.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: What is happening here?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Speaking about age, that's another thing that this movie takes liberty with.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Moses was 80 years old when he liberated Egypt.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know it's a kid's movie and he looked like 30, 40.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe in his 40s mid-40s, I know that I look.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: I know that you want to end on a nice note.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: All right, I found myself binge watched all the planet of the apes movies, all right, oh my goodness.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, but there is a kind of well, what I thought was I was going to see, I thought I was going to see the similar scene because you know that's the story, right, and it's okay to kind of end with a bittersweet moment, right?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: So I'm waiting for I'm like, what are they going to do here?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like tapping the screen going.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: How are they, uh, how are they going to show the?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: golden.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: and I, and I kind of thought you're going to get that moment like in the planet of the apes, where you know he leads them to the promised land but it dies right there, as he'll never be oh yeah, no, they weren't gonna go another 40 years yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: No, this was just like the story of of exodus, like this isn't yeah this wasn't gonna like go into all that.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: But yet, gentlemen, we are getting super deep and kind of like going off on tangents.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I think it is time to wrap this one up like a mummy are we ready?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: we have to let it go let our podcast go.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I need to be delivered.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Anthony is ready to get severed yeah, a long commute home yeah, that long commute home for Anthony, oh man, alright, guys, thank you so much for listening to us here for our 116th episode of Project Ecology.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: If you haven't checked out Prince of Egypt, I personally recommend it, just because I think that they did a really good job of using their creative license to tell a unique take on a very classic story.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing from the discussion our co hosts also believe the same.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: What do you guys think?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: I really like.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm always the guy who's gonna be like where's Tom Bombadil?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: So that's always gonna give me a problem, but once I can get over that, I think it was really well done excellent.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: All right guys.
• 1:04:45
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• 1:04:46
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• 1:04:49
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• 1:04:54
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• 1:04:58
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• 1:05:08
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• 1:05:09
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• 1:05:11
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• 1:05:13
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