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From Berklee to the Grammy's: A Journey of Musical Growth · Music Explored Podcast

• 0:00
  So
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  my
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  question
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  is
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  always,
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  I've
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  noticed
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  people,
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  and
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  I
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  mean
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  someone
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  with
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  your
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  credentials.
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  It
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  makes
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  sense
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  because
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  you
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  obviously
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  have
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  probably
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  maybe
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  the
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  most
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  out
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  of
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  anyone
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  I've
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  personally
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  gotten
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  a
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  chance
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  to
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  speak
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  to.
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  But
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  how
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  important
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  was
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  it
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  for
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  you
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  to
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  go
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  to
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  Berkeley?
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  And
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  would
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  you
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  recommend
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  that
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  kids
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  or
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  anyone
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  that's
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  practicing
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  music,
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  you
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  know,
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  continue
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  to
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  develop
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  in
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  the
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  post
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  secondary
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  level
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  of
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  music?
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  Or
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  is
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  it
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  something
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  that
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  after
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  high
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  school,
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  as
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  long
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  as
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  you
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  keep
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  practicing,
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  you
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  should
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  be
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  okay?
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  Good
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  question.
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  Well,
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  it's
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  of
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  both
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  of
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  those.
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  Right.
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  Because
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  you
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  know,
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  when
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  I,
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  I
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  sound
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  so
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  old
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  now,
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  when
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  I
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  went
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  to.
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  School.
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  Like,
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  yo,
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  we
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  didn't
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  have
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  YouTube,
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  we
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  didn't
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  have
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  all
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  that
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  stuff.
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  So
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  all
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  the
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  stuff
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  that
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  kids
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  can
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  learn
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  at
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  the
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  drop
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  of
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  a
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  dime,
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  we
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  had
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  to
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  pay
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  money
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  to
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  do.
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  Right?
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  But
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  the
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  one
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  thing
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  you
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  pay
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  your
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  money
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  for
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  when
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  you
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  go
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  to
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  college
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  is
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  the
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  network
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  of
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  people
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  that
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  you.
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  That's
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  invaluable.
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  Right.
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  So
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  that's
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  what
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  you're
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  really
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  paying
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  for.
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  Because
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  people
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  to
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  this
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  day
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  that
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  I've
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  interacted
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  with
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  in
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  the
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  industry,
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  some
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  people
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  are
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  CEOs
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  running
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  big
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  corporations,
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  doing
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  all
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  types
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  of
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  things.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  I
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  still
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  have
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  that
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  leverage
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  to
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  be
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  like,
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  yo,
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  what's
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  up
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  X,
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  Y
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  and
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  Z,
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  we
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  went
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  to
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  school
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  together.
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  Oh,
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  word,
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  I
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  remember.
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  Blah,
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  blah,
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  blah,
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  come
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  by
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  my
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  office.
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  You
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  know
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  what
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  I'm
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  saying?
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  So
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  it's
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  that
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  camaraderie
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  that,
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  it's
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  that
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  network
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  that
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  becomes
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  invaluable
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  once
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  you
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  progress
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  in
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  your
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  career.
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  Nice.
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  That
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  makes
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  sense.
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  I
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  think
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  networking
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  is,
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  is
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  a
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  big,
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  big
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  part
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  of
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  any
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  music,
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  any
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  instrument,
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  musician,
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  anybody.
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  Networking
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  is
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  definitely
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  a
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  key.
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  So
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  it
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  does
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  make
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  sense
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  that
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  school
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  can
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  give
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  you
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  kind
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  of
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  a
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  bit
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  of
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  an
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  edge,
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  especially
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  that
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  kind
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  of
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  school,
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  because
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  you're
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  connected
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  with
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  some
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  wonderful
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  people
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  there
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  and
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  some
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  high
• 1:42
  level
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  people
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  for
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  sure.
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  I
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  can
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  imagine.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  not
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  to
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  knock
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  anyone
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  who
• 1:48
  don't
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  take
• 1:48
  that
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  route
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  because
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  it's
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  a
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  lot
• 1:50
  of
• 1:50
  people
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  who
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  have
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  become
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  very
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  successful
• 1:51
  not
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  going
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  to
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  school.
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  But
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  it
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  also
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  just
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  depends
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  on
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  end
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  gold
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  as
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  well.
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  So,
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  you
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  know,
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  for
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  myself,
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  I
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  ended
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  up
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  not
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  only
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  playing
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  drums
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  and
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  keys,
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  I
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  ended
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  up
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  producing.
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  Right.
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  I'm
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  an
• 2:03
  engineer.
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  can
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  arrange
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  string
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  sections,
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  I
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  can
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  do
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  horns.
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  So
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  it
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  gives
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  me
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  more
• 2:10
  leverage
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  to
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  be
• 2:11
  put
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  in
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  different
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  situations
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  and
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  more
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  stressful
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  situations
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  and
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  then
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  also
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  being
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  able
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  to
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  communicate
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  different
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  musical
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  thoughts
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  and
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  ideas
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  to
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  people
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  that
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  know
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  music
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  and
• 2:22
  people
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  that
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  don't.
• 2:22
  That's
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  key.
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  So
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  I'm
• 2:23
  kind
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  of
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  like
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  that
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  guy
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  in
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  the
• 2:24
  middle,
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  you
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  know?
• 2:25
  Do
• 2:25
  you
• 2:25
  Typically,
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  because
• 2:27
  you
• 2:27
  have
• 2:27
  all
• 2:27
  this
• 2:28
  knowledge,
• 2:28
  do
• 2:28
  you
• 2:28
  still
• 2:29
  work
• 2:29
  with
• 2:29
  an
• 2:29
  engineer
• 2:30
  separately
• 2:31
  or
• 2:31
  do
• 2:31
  you
• 2:31
  do
• 2:31
  everything
• 2:32
  yourself?
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  Well,
• 2:34
  it
• 2:34
  just
• 2:34
  depends
• 2:35
  on
• 2:35
  what
• 2:35
  I'm
• 2:35
  working
• 2:35
  on.
• 2:35
  Right.
• 2:36
  You
• 2:36
  know,
• 2:36
  when
• 2:36
  I'm,
• 2:37
  like,
• 2:37
  writing
• 2:37
  and
• 2:38
  producing,
• 2:38
  I'm
• 2:39
  mostly
• 2:39
  by
• 2:39
  myself
• 2:40
  because
• 2:40
  I
• 2:40
  like
• 2:40
  to
• 2:40
  take
• 2:41
  my
• 2:41
  time
• 2:41
  and
• 2:41
  do
• 2:41
  certain
• 2:41
  things.
• 2:43
  I
• 2:44
  also
• 2:44
  am
• 2:44
  an
• 2:44
  md,
• 2:45
  so
• 2:45
  while
• 2:45
  musical
• 2:46
  directing,
• 2:47
  I'm
• 2:47
  kind
• 2:47
  of
• 2:47
  worried
• 2:47
  about
• 2:48
  the
• 2:48
  music
• 2:48
  arrangements,
• 2:49
  so
• 2:49
  I'm
• 2:50
  not
• 2:50
  really
• 2:51
  keen
• 2:51
  on
• 2:51
  the
• 2:52
  sound.
• 2:52
  Right,
• 2:52
  right.
• 2:52
  That's
• 2:53
  when
• 2:53
  I
• 2:53
  have.
• 2:53
  My
• 2:53
  engineer
• 2:54
  comes,
• 2:54
  because
• 2:54
  we
• 2:55
  have
• 2:55
  a
• 2:55
  strategy
• 2:56
  and
• 2:56
  a
• 2:56
  procedure
• 2:56
  that
• 2:56
  we
• 2:57
  go
• 2:57
  through.
• 2:57
  Makes
• 2:57
  sense
• 2:58
  when
• 2:58
  we're
• 2:58
  doing
• 2:59
  live
• 2:59
  recordings
• 2:59
  and
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  things
• 3:00
  of
• 3:00
  that
• 3:00
  sort.
• 3:00
  Yeah,
• 3:01
  we'll
• 3:01
  definitely
• 3:01
  want
• 3:01
  to
• 3:02
  dive
• 3:02
  into
• 3:02
  that
• 3:02
  and
• 3:02
  talk
• 3:03
  about
• 3:03
  those
• 3:03
  different
• 3:03
  hats
• 3:04
  you
• 3:04
  wear
• 3:04
  and
• 3:05
  even
• 3:05
  that
• 3:05
  process
• 3:05
  you
• 3:06
  mentioned
• 3:06
  with
• 3:06
  yourself
• 3:07
  as
• 3:07
  an
• 3:07
  MD
• 3:07
  and
• 3:07
  the
• 3:08
  engineer.
• 3:08
  So
• 3:09
  I'll
• 3:09
  make
• 3:09
  a
• 3:09
  mental
• 3:09
  note
• 3:10
  of
• 3:10
  that.
• 3:10
  But.
• 3:10
  So
• 3:10
  picking
• 3:11
  up
• 3:11
  at
• 3:11
  where
• 3:11
  you
• 3:11
  left
• 3:12
  off
• 3:12
  at
• 3:12
  Berkeley,
• 3:12
  you
• 3:13
  had
• 3:13
  mentioned
• 3:14
  at
• 3:14
  some
• 3:15
  point
• 3:15
  you
• 3:15
  picked
• 3:15
  up
• 3:15
  producing.
• 3:16
  So
• 3:16
  I'm
• 3:17
  wondering
• 3:17
  what
• 3:17
  you
• 3:17
  did
• 3:18
  coming
• 3:18
  out
• 3:18
  of
• 3:19
  college.
• 3:19
  Was
• 3:20
  it
• 3:20
  more
• 3:21
  like
• 3:22
  production
• 3:22
  work
• 3:22
  and
• 3:22
  kind
• 3:23
  of.
• 3:23
  What
• 3:24
  was
• 3:25
  it
• 3:25
  that
• 3:25
  led
• 3:25
  to
• 3:25
  your.
• 3:25
  I
• 3:26
  guess
• 3:26
  you
• 3:26
  could
• 3:26
  say
• 3:26
  your
• 3:27
  break
• 3:27
  or
• 3:27
  you're
• 3:27
  kind
• 3:27
  of
• 3:28
  getting
• 3:28
  your
• 3:28
  foot
• 3:28
  in
• 3:28
  the
• 3:28
  door
• 3:29
  transition?
• 3:29
  Yeah,
• 3:29
  yeah.
• 3:31
  Honestly,
• 3:31
  man,
• 3:32
  it
• 3:32
  was
• 3:32
  a.
• 3:34
  So
• 3:34
  in
• 3:34
  college,
• 3:34
  I
• 3:35
  was.
• 3:35
  It's
• 3:36
  funny,
• 3:36
  it
• 3:36
  depends
• 3:36
  on
• 3:37
  where
• 3:37
  you
• 3:37
  saw
• 3:37
  me.
• 3:37
  That's
• 3:38
  what
• 3:38
  you
• 3:38
  knew
• 3:38
  me
• 3:39
  to
• 3:39
  do.
• 3:39
  Right,
• 3:39
  Right.
• 3:40
  So
• 3:40
  if
• 3:40
  you
• 3:40
  saw
• 3:40
  me
• 3:41
  at
• 3:41
  a.
• 3:41
  At
• 3:42
  a
• 3:42
  club,
• 3:43
  Keith
• 3:43
  was
• 3:43
  a
• 3:43
  drummer.
• 3:44
  Right.
• 3:44
  If
• 3:45
  you
• 3:45
  saw
• 3:45
  me
• 3:45
  at
• 3:45
  church,
• 3:46
  Keith
• 3:46
  was
• 3:46
  the
• 3:47
  organist.
• 3:47
  Right,
• 3:48
  Right.
• 3:48
  But
• 3:49
  then
• 3:49
  if
• 3:49
  you
• 3:49
  saw
• 3:49
  me
• 3:49
  in.
• 3:50
  In
• 3:50
  school,
• 3:51
  working
• 3:51
  Chief
• 3:52
  is
• 3:52
  a
• 3:52
  producer.
• 3:53
  Right.
• 3:53
  And
• 3:53
  if
• 3:53
  they
• 3:53
  saw
• 3:53
  you
• 3:54
  in
• 3:54
  the
• 3:54
  streets.
• 3:54
  No,
• 3:55
  I'm
• 3:55
  just.
• 3:58
  You
• 3:58
  didn't
• 3:58
  see
• 3:59
  me.
• 3:59
  You
• 4:00
  saw
• 4:00
  me
• 4:00
  in
• 4:00
  the
• 4:00
  streets.
• 4:01
  That
• 4:01
  wasn't
• 4:01
  me.
• 4:06
  But,
• 4:06
  yeah,
• 4:06
  man,
• 4:07
  it
• 4:07
  was
• 4:07
  honestly
• 4:08
  one.
• 4:10
  One
• 4:11
  clinic
• 4:12
  that
• 4:12
  happened
• 4:12
  at
• 4:12
  Berkeley
• 4:13
  back
• 4:13
  in
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  day
• 4:13
  for
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  Black
• 4:14
  Student
• 4:14
  Union.
• 4:14
  Okay.
• 4:15
  Okay.
• 4:16
  This
• 4:17
  not
• 4:17
  engineer,
• 4:17
  a
• 4:17
  producer
• 4:19
  named
• 4:19
  Richard
• 4:20
  Young,
• 4:20
  Lord
• 4:20
  Frierson.
• 4:21
  He
• 4:21
  was
• 4:21
  like,
• 4:21
  one
• 4:21
  of
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  youngest
• 4:23
  hitmen,
• 4:23
  Puffy's
• 4:24
  Hitman,
• 4:24
  back
• 4:24
  in
• 4:24
  the
• 4:24
  day.
• 4:24
  I
• 4:25
  got
• 4:25
  you.
• 4:25
  Okay.
• 4:26
  So
• 4:27
  he
• 4:27
  came
• 4:27
  to
• 4:27
  Berkeley,
• 4:28
  did
• 4:28
  a
• 4:28
  clinic,
• 4:29
  and
• 4:29
  he
• 4:29
  asked,
• 4:29
  like,
• 4:30
  does
• 4:30
  anybody
• 4:30
  have
• 4:31
  any
• 4:31
  music
• 4:32
  that
• 4:32
  you
• 4:32
  want
• 4:33
  to
• 4:33
  play?
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  was
• 4:34
  like,
• 4:34
  me?
• 4:35
  Yeah.
• 4:35
  So
• 4:36
  I
• 4:37
  went
• 4:37
  through
• 4:37
  my
• 4:37
  cd,
• 4:38
  Jewel
• 4:39
  case,
• 4:39
  you
• 4:40
  know?
• 4:40
  Yeah,
• 4:40
  of
• 4:40
  course.
• 4:41
  Flip
• 4:41
  it
• 4:41
  through,
• 4:41
  Flip
• 4:41
  it
• 4:42
  through.
• 4:43
  Flip
• 4:44
  through
• 4:44
  that
• 4:44
  joint.
• 4:44
  Found
• 4:45
  my
• 4:46
  gold
• 4:46
  cd,
• 4:47
  put
• 4:47
  that
• 4:47
  joint
• 4:48
  in.
• 4:48
  And
• 4:48
  he
• 4:49
  loved
• 4:49
  what
• 4:49
  he
• 4:49
  heard.
• 4:50
  So
• 4:51
  from
• 4:51
  that
• 4:51
  was.
• 4:51
  That
• 4:51
  was
• 4:51
  probably
• 4:52
  like
• 4:52
  about
• 4:53
  90,
• 4:54
  like,
• 4:55
  97,
• 4:55
  98
• 4:56
  somewhere
• 4:56
  around
• 4:56
  there.
• 4:56
  Okay.
• 4:57
  And
• 4:57
  I
• 4:58
  used
• 4:58
  to
• 4:58
  intern
• 4:58
  for
• 4:59
  him.
• 4:59
  So
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  was
• 5:00
  still
• 5:00
  in
• 5:00
  Boston
• 5:00
  in
• 5:01
  school.
• 5:01
  Like,
• 5:02
  on
• 5:02
  the
• 5:02
  weekends,
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  would
• 5:03
  go
• 5:03
  to
• 5:03
  New
• 5:03
  York
• 5:04
  you
• 5:04
  know,
• 5:05
  and
• 5:05
  back
• 5:05
  then,
• 5:05
  there
• 5:05
  was
• 5:06
  no
• 5:06
  computers
• 5:07
  and
• 5:07
  stuff
• 5:07
  like
• 5:07
  that,
• 5:07
  so
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  would
• 5:08
  have
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  be
• 5:08
  the
• 5:08
  patch
• 5:09
  guy
• 5:10
  and.
• 5:11
  And
• 5:11
  writing
• 5:12
  down
• 5:12
  all
• 5:12
  the
• 5:12
  programs
• 5:13
  because
• 5:13
  he
• 5:14
  used
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  MPC
• 5:14
  3000.
• 5:15
  Right,
• 5:15
  right,
• 5:16
  right.
• 5:16
  Okay.
• 5:17
  So
• 5:17
  if
• 5:17
  he.
• 5:18
  If
• 5:18
  he
• 5:18
  had
• 5:18
  to
• 5:19
  go
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  studio
• 5:19
  and
• 5:20
  place
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  song
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  track
• 5:21
  it,
• 5:21
  I
• 5:21
  had
• 5:22
  to
• 5:22
  recreate
• 5:22
  what
• 5:23
  he
• 5:23
  had
• 5:23
  at
• 5:23
  his
• 5:24
  studio
• 5:25
  at
• 5:25
  another
• 5:25
  studio.
• 5:26
  So
• 5:26
  put
• 5:26
  the
• 5:27
  keyboards
• 5:27
  back
• 5:28
  together,
• 5:29
  doing
• 5:29
  all
• 5:29
  that
• 5:29
  stuff,
• 5:30
  writing
• 5:30
  it
• 5:30
  all
• 5:30
  down
• 5:31
  in
• 5:31
  a
• 5:31
  book.
• 5:32
  Yeah.
• 5:32
  So
• 5:32
  it
• 5:32
  was
• 5:32
  very
• 5:33
  tedious.
• 5:33
  So
• 5:33
  that's
• 5:34
  kind
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  how
• 5:34
  I
• 5:34
  got
• 5:34
  my
• 5:35
  start
• 5:35
  into
• 5:35
  doing
• 5:35
  real
• 5:36
  production.
• 5:36
  Okay.
• 5:37
  And
• 5:37
  my
• 5:37
  first
• 5:39
  engineering
• 5:39
  gig
• 5:40
  was
• 5:41
  this
• 5:41
  song
• 5:41
  he
• 5:41
  did
• 5:41
  called
• 5:42
  Rap
• 5:42
  Money
• 5:42
  by
• 5:43
  Tash
• 5:43
  and
• 5:43
  Raekwon.
• 5:44
  That
• 5:44
  was
• 5:44
  my
• 5:44
  first
• 5:44
  engineering
• 5:45
  credit.
• 5:45
  Wow,
• 5:46
  that's
• 5:46
  a
• 5:46
  big
• 5:46
  credit.
• 5:47
  Yeah.
• 5:48
  That
• 5:48
  was
• 5:48
  scary.
• 5:49
  I
• 5:49
  was
• 5:49
  like,
• 5:49
  oh,
• 5:50
  my
• 5:50
  God,
• 5:50
  this
• 5:50
  is
• 5:50
  an
• 5:50
  ssl.
• 5:52
  What
• 5:53
  do
• 5:53
  I
• 5:53
  do?
• 5:54
  But
• 5:55
  yeah.
• 5:55
  So
• 5:56
  from
• 5:56
  that
• 5:56
  point,
• 5:56
  that's
• 5:57
  how
• 5:57
  I
• 5:57
  got
• 5:57
  my
• 5:57
  foot
• 5:58
  in
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  door
• 5:58
  working
• 5:58
  with
• 5:59
  him.
• 5:59
  And
• 6:00
  then
• 6:00
  everything
• 6:01
  started
• 6:01
  to
• 6:01
  gradually
• 6:02
  slow
• 6:02
  ball
• 6:02
  until
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  had
• 6:04
  a
• 6:04
  friend
• 6:04
  that
• 6:05
  introduced
• 6:05
  me
• 6:06
  to
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  musical
• 6:06
  director
• 6:06
  of
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  Black
• 6:07
  Eyed
• 6:07
  Peas.
• 6:08
  Nice.
• 6:09
  Yeah.
• 6:09
  He
• 6:09
  was
• 6:10
  in
• 6:10
  New
• 6:10
  York
• 6:10
  doing
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  show
• 6:11
  for
• 6:11
  another
• 6:11
  group,
• 6:12
  so
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  kind
• 6:13
  of
• 6:13
  subbed
• 6:13
  in
• 6:13
  on
• 6:14
  drums.
• 6:15
  And
• 6:15
  the
• 6:15
  rest
• 6:15
  is
• 6:16
  history,
• 6:16
  man.
• 6:16
  We
• 6:16
  kept
• 6:17
  in
• 6:17
  contact.
• 6:18
  The
• 6:18
  original
• 6:18
  drummer
• 6:19
  and
• 6:19
  basses
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  the
• 6:20
  Black
• 6:20
  Eyed
• 6:20
  Peas,
• 6:21
  they
• 6:21
  left
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  band.
• 6:22
  They
• 6:22
  called
• 6:23
  me
• 6:23
  and
• 6:24
  you
• 6:24
  know,
• 6:25
  in
• 6:25
  what,
• 6:25
  2003
• 6:26
  was
• 6:26
  my
• 6:26
  first
• 6:27
  show
• 6:27
  with
• 6:27
  them.
• 6:27
  Coachella
• 6:28
  Music
• 6:28
  Festival.
• 6:29
  Damn.
• 6:29
  And
• 6:29
  I've
• 6:29
  been
• 6:30
  there
• 6:30
  ever
• 6:30
  since.
• 6:30
  That's
• 6:31
  amazing.
• 6:31
  What
• 6:31
  was
• 6:32
  that
• 6:32
  experience
• 6:32
  like,
• 6:33
  just
• 6:33
  playing
• 6:33
  with
• 6:34
  the
• 6:34
  Black
• 6:34
  Eyed
• 6:34
  Peas?
• 6:35
  And
• 6:35
  at
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  time,
• 6:36
  they
• 6:36
  were
• 6:36
  probably
• 6:37
  one
• 6:37
  of
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  biggest
• 6:37
  pop
• 6:38
  art
• 6:38
  pop
• 6:38
  acts
• 6:39
  in
• 6:39
  the
• 6:40
  world.
• 6:42
  So
• 6:42
  when
• 6:42
  I
• 6:42
  first
• 6:42
  got
• 6:43
  on
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  gig,
• 6:44
  Black
• 6:44
  Eyed
• 6:45
  Peas
• 6:45
  was
• 6:45
  the.
• 6:45
  The
• 6:46
  black.
• 6:46
  Like,
• 6:47
  they
• 6:47
  were
• 6:47
  kind
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  like
• 6:48
  joints
• 6:48
  and
• 6:48
  jams
• 6:48
  still.
• 6:49
  Exactly.
• 6:51
  That
• 6:51
  was
• 6:51
  their
• 6:51
  biggest
• 6:51
  song.
• 6:52
  Joints
• 6:52
  and
• 6:52
  jam.
• 6:53
  It
• 6:53
  was
• 6:53
  like
• 6:53
  the
• 6:54
  roots
• 6:54
  in
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  Black
• 6:54
  Eyed
• 6:55
  Peace
• 6:56
  live
• 6:56
  band
• 6:57
  hip
• 6:57
  hop
• 6:57
  groups.
• 6:57
  Yeah,
• 6:58
  that's
• 6:58
  true.
• 6:58
  Right.
• 7:00
  So,
• 7:00
  you
• 7:00
  know,
• 7:00
  it
• 7:00
  was.
• 7:01
  It
• 7:01
  was
• 7:01
  a.
• 7:01
  I
• 7:02
  was
• 7:02
  in
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  trenches
• 7:02
  with
• 7:03
  them.
• 7:03
  You
• 7:03
  know,
• 7:03
  this
• 7:03
  was
• 7:03
  like
• 7:03
  the
• 7:04
  college
• 7:04
  gigs.
• 7:05
  This
• 7:05
  was
• 7:05
  like
• 7:05
  showing
• 7:06
  up
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  a
• 7:06
  college
• 7:07
  show
• 7:07
  in
• 7:07
  the.
• 7:07
  In
• 7:07
  the
• 7:08
  gymnasium.
• 7:08
  There's
• 7:09
  like
• 7:09
  15
• 7:09
  people
• 7:10
  there,
• 7:10
  but
• 7:10
  we're
• 7:11
  playing
• 7:11
  like
• 7:11
  it's
• 7:11
  a
• 7:11
  thousand.
• 7:12
  You.
• 7:12
  We
• 7:12
  going
• 7:13
  in.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:14
  I
• 7:14
  had
• 7:14
  a
• 7:14
  chance
• 7:15
  to
• 7:15
  build
• 7:15
  with
• 7:15
  the
• 7:16
  band
• 7:17
  and
• 7:17
  also
• 7:17
  build
• 7:17
  with,
• 7:18
  you
• 7:18
  know,
• 7:18
  the
• 7:18
  guys.
• 7:18
  Will
• 7:18
  I
• 7:19
  Am
• 7:19
  Appetite.
• 7:20
  Yeah.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:21
  become
• 7:21
  a
• 7:21
  part
• 7:21
  of
• 7:21
  the.
• 7:22
  The
• 7:22
  writing
• 7:23
  and
• 7:23
  production
• 7:24
  as
• 7:24
  they
• 7:24
  start
• 7:25
  to
• 7:25
  hear
• 7:25
  what
• 7:25
  I
• 7:26
  can
• 7:26
  do.
• 7:26
  Yeah.
• 7:27
  And
• 7:27
  like
• 7:27
  I
• 7:27
  said,
• 7:28
  will
• 7:28
  I
• 7:28
  am.
• 7:28
  Gave
• 7:28
  me
• 7:28
  that
• 7:29
  shot.
• 7:29
  And
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  rest
• 7:30
  has
• 7:30
  been
• 7:30
  history.
• 7:31
  There's
• 7:31
  a
• 7:31
  funny
• 7:32
  story
• 7:32
  with
• 7:32
  the.
• 7:33
  With
• 7:33
  one
• 7:33
  of
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  songs
• 7:34
  I
• 7:34
  Don't
• 7:34
  know
• 7:35
  how
• 7:35
  many
• 7:35
  you
• 7:35
  produced,
• 7:35
  but
• 7:36
  I
• 7:36
  listened
• 7:36
  to
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  video
• 7:37
  of
• 7:37
  you
• 7:37
  telling
• 7:37
  the
• 7:38
  story
• 7:38
  of
• 7:38
  Amma
• 7:39
  B.
• 7:39
  And
• 7:40
  how
• 7:40
  you
• 7:40
  sent
• 7:40
  it
• 7:41
  to
• 7:41
  him.
• 7:41
  And
• 7:41
  it
• 7:41
  was.
• 7:41
  The
• 7:42
  session
• 7:42
  was
• 7:42
  just
• 7:43
  called
• 7:43
  Hit.
• 7:43
  You
• 7:44
  KN
• 7:44
  from
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  jump
• 7:45
  that
• 7:45
  it
• 7:45
  was
• 7:45
  already
• 7:46
  good.
• 7:46
  And
• 7:46
  when
• 7:47
  he
• 7:47
  heard
• 7:47
  it,
• 7:47
  he
• 7:48
  asked
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  for
• 7:48
  some
• 7:48
  information
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  start
• 7:49
  recording
• 7:50
  right
• 7:50
  away.
• 7:51
  And
• 7:51
  have
• 7:51
  you
• 7:52
  always
• 7:52
  had
• 7:52
  that
• 7:52
  confidence
• 7:53
  in
• 7:53
  your
• 7:53
  production
• 7:54
  that
• 7:54
  you
• 7:54
  knew
• 7:55
  99.9%
• 7:56
  of
• 7:56
  your
• 7:57
  stuff
• 7:57
  is
• 7:57
  fire?
• 7:58
  Absolutely
• 7:59
  not.
• 7:59
  Okay.
• 8:02
  Absolutely
• 8:03
  not.
• 8:03
  Because
• 8:04
  99.9%
• 8:05
  of
• 8:06
  it
• 8:06
  ain't
• 8:06
  that
• 8:07
  little
• 8:07
  small
• 8:07
  few
• 8:08
  that's,
• 8:09
  like,
• 8:09
  really
• 8:09
  catch
• 8:09
  on,
• 8:10
  you
• 8:10
  know?
• 8:12
  All
• 8:12
  producers
• 8:12
  got
• 8:12
  a
• 8:13
  hard
• 8:13
  drive
• 8:13
  full
• 8:13
  of
• 8:14
  beasts
• 8:14
  that
• 8:14
  will
• 8:14
  never
• 8:14
  see
• 8:15
  the
• 8:15
  light.
• 8:15
  Absolutely.
• 8:16
  Absolutely.
• 8:17
  Even.
• 8:17
  Even
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  best
• 8:18
  of
• 8:18
  the
• 8:19
  best,
• 8:19
  man.
• 8:19
  So
• 8:20
  don't
• 8:20
  think
• 8:20
  that
• 8:20
  everybody
• 8:21
  just
• 8:21
  spitting
• 8:21
  hot
• 8:22
  fire.
• 8:23
  It's
• 8:24
  trial
• 8:24
  and
• 8:24
  error.
• 8:25
  It's
• 8:26
  a
• 8:26
  process,
• 8:27
  you
• 8:27
  know?
• 8:27
  Yeah.
• 8:28
  And,
• 8:28
  you
• 8:28
  know,
• 8:28
  some
• 8:29
  songs
• 8:29
  just
• 8:29
  feel
• 8:30
  right.
• 8:30
  And
• 8:30
  when
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  did
• 8:31
  that
• 8:31
  one,
• 8:32
  it
• 8:32
  just
• 8:32
  felt
• 8:32
  right,
• 8:33
  you
• 8:33
  know,
• 8:33
  it
• 8:34
  felt.
• 8:34
  And,
• 8:35
  you
• 8:35
  know,
• 8:35
  sometimes
• 8:36
  when
• 8:36
  I
• 8:36
  do
• 8:36
  a
• 8:36
  beat,
• 8:36
  I
• 8:36
  get
• 8:37
  like
• 8:37
  a
• 8:37
  tingly
• 8:37
  thinner.
• 8:38
  Like,
• 8:38
  this
• 8:38
  feels
• 8:38
  special.
• 8:39
  Yeah.
• 8:39
  You
• 8:39
  know
• 8:39
  what
• 8:39
  I'm
• 8:39
  saying?
• 8:40
  The
• 8:40
  spidey
• 8:40
  senses
• 8:40
  start
• 8:41
  going
• 8:41
  on.
• 8:41
  And
• 8:42
  that
• 8:42
  was
• 8:42
  one
• 8:42
  of.
• 8:43
  That
• 8:43
  was
• 8:43
  one.
• 8:44
  I
• 8:44
  would
• 8:44
  say
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  was
• 8:45
  one.
• 8:45
  And
• 8:45
  then
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  second
• 8:46
  song
• 8:47
  I
• 8:47
  felt
• 8:47
  like
• 8:47
  that
• 8:47
  with
• 8:48
  was
• 8:49
  Meet
• 8:49
  Me
• 8:49
  Halfway
• 8:50
  because
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  got
• 8:51
  that
• 8:51
  song
• 8:51
  in
• 8:51
  a
• 8:51
  dream.
• 8:52
  Oh,
• 8:52
  really?
• 8:52
  And
• 8:52
  I
• 8:53
  remembered
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  music.
• 8:54
  Yeah.
• 8:55
  So
• 8:55
  sometimes
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  get
• 8:56
  songs
• 8:56
  in
• 8:56
  dreams
• 8:57
  and
• 8:57
  I'll
• 8:57
  be
• 8:57
  like,
• 8:57
  oh,
• 8:58
  my
• 8:58
  God,
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  gotta
• 8:58
  remember
• 8:58
  these
• 8:59
  chords.
• 8:59
  So
• 8:59
  I
• 9:00
  tell
• 9:00
  myself
• 9:00
  self
• 9:00
  consciously,
• 9:01
  like,
• 9:01
  look
• 9:02
  at
• 9:02
  your
• 9:02
  hands.
• 9:02
  Remember
• 9:02
  the
• 9:03
  chords.
• 9:03
  You
• 9:03
  know
• 9:03
  what
• 9:03
  I'm
• 9:03
  saying?
• 9:04
  So
• 9:04
  wake
• 9:04
  up
• 9:04
  and
• 9:04
  be
• 9:05
  like,
• 9:05
  oh,
• 9:05
  okay,
• 9:05
  I
• 9:06
  remember
• 9:06
  what
• 9:06
  it
• 9:06
  was.
• 9:07
  Wow.
• 9:07
  Yeah.
• 9:07
  So
• 9:07
  I
• 9:07
  got
• 9:08
  that
• 9:08
  song
• 9:09
  because
• 9:09
  I've
• 9:10
  had
• 9:10
  those
• 9:10
  moments
• 9:11
  where
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  hear
• 9:11
  something
• 9:11
  in
• 9:12
  your
• 9:12
  head
• 9:12
  and
• 9:12
  you
• 9:12
  gotta
• 9:13
  try
• 9:13
  and
• 9:13
  spit
• 9:13
  it
• 9:13
  out,
• 9:13
  but
• 9:13
  you're
• 9:14
  too
• 9:14
  busy
• 9:14
  and
• 9:15
  you
• 9:15
  don't.
• 9:15
  Then
• 9:15
  you
• 9:15
  go
• 9:16
  back
• 9:16
  and
• 9:16
  like,
• 9:16
  oh.
• 9:16
  What
• 9:16
  was
• 9:16
  that
• 9:17
  beat?
• 9:17
  And
• 9:17
  you.
• 9:17
  Oh,
• 9:17
  God,
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  forgot
• 9:18
  it.
• 9:18
  So
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  do
• 9:19
  that
• 9:19
  in
• 9:19
  a
• 9:20
  dream
• 9:20
  and
• 9:20
  come
• 9:21
  out
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  dream
• 9:21
  and
• 9:21
  remember,
• 9:22
  that's
• 9:22
  impressive.
• 9:22
  Wow.
• 9:24
  Yeah,
• 9:24
  man.
• 9:24
  So,
• 9:25
  you
• 9:25
  know,
• 9:25
  it's
• 9:25
  a
• 9:25
  couple
• 9:25
  of
• 9:26
  those.
• 9:26
  That
• 9:26
  was
• 9:26
  just
• 9:26
  like
• 9:26
  having
• 9:27
  more
• 9:27
  than
• 9:27
  one,
• 9:27
  but.
• 9:28
  Yeah,
• 9:29
  yeah,
• 9:29
  yeah.
• 9:30
  Did
• 9:30
  you
• 9:30
  just
• 9:31
  get
• 9:31
  up
• 9:31
  and
• 9:31
  run
• 9:31
  straight
• 9:31
  to
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  keys?
• 9:32
  That's
• 9:32
  when
• 9:32
  you
• 9:32
  tuned
• 9:33
  in,
• 9:33
  man.
• 9:33
  Yeah.
• 9:33
  No,
• 9:34
  for
• 9:34
  real.
• 9:34
  Yeah.
• 9:35
  Literally.
• 9:35
  So
• 9:35
  you
• 9:36
  run
• 9:36
  straight
• 9:36
  to
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  keys
• 9:37
  or.
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  kept
• 9:38
  humming
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  singing
• 9:39
  it,
• 9:39
  so
• 9:39
  I
• 9:40
  remembered
• 9:40
  it,
• 9:40
  you
• 9:41
  know
• 9:41
  what
• 9:41
  I'm
• 9:41
  saying?
• 9:41
  So
• 9:41
  then
• 9:41
  when
• 9:42
  I
• 9:42
  got
• 9:42
  a
• 9:42
  chance
• 9:42
  to
• 9:42
  get
• 9:42
  to
• 9:43
  it,
• 9:43
  I
• 9:43
  knew
• 9:43
  what
• 9:43
  it
• 9:43
  was.
• 9:44
  Anthony,
• 9:45
  can
• 9:45
  you
• 9:45
  hear
• 9:45
  in
• 9:45
  your
• 9:45
  dreams?
• 9:46
  I
• 9:46
  don't
• 9:46
  know
• 9:46
  if
• 9:46
  I've
• 9:46
  ever
• 9:47
  heard
• 9:47
  Audio
• 9:47
  in
• 9:47
  my
• 9:47
  dreams.
• 9:48
  Oh.
• 9:48
  Like,
• 9:48
  do
• 9:48
  I
• 9:48
  get
• 9:49
  inspiration?
• 9:50
  Yeah.
• 9:50
  Or
• 9:50
  hear
• 9:51
  even
• 9:51
  voices
• 9:52
  sound
• 9:52
  Here.
• 9:53
  Yeah.
• 9:53
  Here.
• 9:54
  Yeah.
• 9:54
  Of
• 9:54
  course.
• 9:54
  You
• 9:55
  don't
• 9:55
  hear
• 9:55
  in
• 9:55
  your
• 9:55
  dreams.
• 9:56
  I
• 9:56
  don't
• 9:56
  hear
• 9:56
  in
• 9:56
  my
• 9:57
  dreams.
• 9:57
  It's
• 9:57
  tripping
• 9:58
  me
• 9:58
  out.
• 9:58
  This
• 9:58
  is
• 9:59
  another
• 9:59
  podcast.
• 9:59
  We'll
• 9:59
  do
• 9:59
  it.
• 10:01
  We
• 10:01
  could
• 10:01
  deal
• 10:01
  with
• 10:01
  this
• 10:02
  real
• 10:02
  quick.
• 10:04
  Listen,
• 10:04
  in
• 10:05
  my
• 10:05
  dreams,
• 10:05
  I'll
• 10:05
  be
• 10:05
  rapping
• 10:06
  and
• 10:06
  doing
• 10:06
  all
• 10:06
  types
• 10:07
  of
• 10:07
  stuff.
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  gotta
• 10:08
  remember
• 10:08
  this
• 10:08
  rap.
• 10:11
  The
• 10:11
  rapping
• 10:12
  stuff.
• 10:12
  Don't,
• 10:12
  don't.
• 10:15
  Don't
• 10:15
  translate
• 10:15
  for
• 10:15
  me,
• 10:16
  bro.
• 10:16
  Just
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  beats.
• 10:17
  Just.
• 10:17
  Yeah.
• 10:18
  I
• 10:18
  was
• 10:18
  like,
• 10:18
  yo,
• 10:18
  these
• 10:18
  lyrics
• 10:19
  are
• 10:19
  fired.
• 10:19
  I
• 10:20
  wake
• 10:20
  up.
• 10:20
  I
• 10:20
  was
• 10:20
  like,
• 10:20
  what
• 10:20
  was
• 10:21
  this?
• 10:21
  Write
• 10:22
  it
• 10:22
  out.
• 10:22
  It
• 10:22
  doesn't
• 10:22
  make
• 10:23
  no
• 10:23
  sense.
• 10:23
  That's
• 10:24
  crazy.
• 10:24
  I'm
• 10:25
  gonna
• 10:25
  take
• 10:25
  a.
• 10:25
  I'm
• 10:25
  gonna
• 10:25
  take
• 10:25
  a
• 10:26
  side
• 10:26
  note
• 10:26
  here
• 10:26
  just
• 10:27
  to.
• 10:27
  Actually,
• 10:27
  I'll
• 10:27
  just
• 10:27
  take
• 10:27
  a
• 10:27
  mental
• 10:28
  note.
• 10:28
  We'll
• 10:28
  get
• 10:28
  back
• 10:28
  to
• 10:28
  that.
• 10:29
  Because
• 10:29
  that's.
• 10:30
  That's
• 10:30
  interesting.
• 10:30
  I
• 10:30
  don't
• 10:31
  know
• 10:31
  if
• 10:31
  this
• 10:31
  is
• 10:31
  something
• 10:32
  that
• 10:32
  others
• 10:33
  experience
• 10:33
  or
• 10:33
  not.
• 10:34
  Do
• 10:34
  you
• 10:34
  hear
• 10:34
  your
• 10:34
  own
• 10:35
  voice
• 10:35
  in
• 10:35
  your
• 10:35
  dream?
• 10:35
  I
• 10:35
  guess
• 10:36
  that's
• 10:36
  my
• 10:36
  only
• 10:36
  question.
• 10:36
  Then
• 10:37
  we'll
• 10:37
  have
• 10:37
  to
• 10:37
  move
• 10:37
  on.
• 10:39
  You
• 10:39
  know
• 10:39
  what?
• 10:42
  I
• 10:42
  would
• 10:42
  say
• 10:43
  yes.
• 10:43
  Especially
• 10:44
  those
• 10:44
  times
• 10:44
  when
• 10:44
  I'm
• 10:45
  rapping.
• 10:45
  When
• 10:45
  I'm
• 10:45
  rapping
• 10:46
  for
• 10:46
  sure.
• 10:49
  Fascinating
• 10:50
  to
• 10:50
  me.
• 10:50
  I
• 10:50
  gotta
• 10:51
  get
• 10:51
  back
• 10:51
  to
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  for
• 10:51
  one
• 10:51
  quick.
• 10:52
  So
• 10:52
  you
• 10:52
  don't
• 10:52
  hear
• 10:52
  any
• 10:52
  sound
• 10:53
  in
• 10:53
  your
• 10:53
  dreams?
• 10:53
  Not
• 10:54
  even
• 10:54
  the
• 10:54
  wind?
• 10:54
  Never.
• 10:55
  Nothing.
• 10:55
  Your
• 10:56
  whole
• 10:56
  life?
• 10:56
  No.
• 10:57
  But
• 10:57
  I
• 10:58
  understand
• 10:58
  what's
• 10:58
  happening.
• 10:59
  You
• 10:59
  know
• 10:59
  what
• 10:59
  I
• 10:59
  mean?
• 10:59
  Like,
• 11:00
  I
• 11:00
  know
• 11:00
  what's
• 11:00
  happening.
• 11:01
  I'm
• 11:01
  not.
• 11:01
  I
• 11:01
  see
• 11:02
  images
• 11:02
  and
• 11:02
  people
• 11:03
  talking,
• 11:03
  and
• 11:04
  for
• 11:04
  some
• 11:04
  reason,
• 11:04
  I
• 11:05
  just
• 11:05
  know
• 11:05
  what
• 11:06
  they're
• 11:06
  saying,
• 11:06
  but
• 11:06
  I
• 11:07
  don't
• 11:07
  hear
• 11:08
  what
• 11:08
  they're
• 11:08
  saying.
• 11:09
  It's
• 11:09
  weird.
• 11:10
  I've
• 11:11
  never
• 11:11
  heard
• 11:11
  of
• 11:11
  anyone
• 11:12
  being
• 11:12
  able
• 11:12
  to
• 11:12
  hear
• 11:12
  in
• 11:13
  their
• 11:13
  dream
• 11:13
  and
• 11:13
  not
• 11:13
  only
• 11:14
  hear,
• 11:14
  but
• 11:15
  remember.
• 11:15
  That's.
• 11:16
  That's
• 11:16
  pretty
• 11:16
  impressive,
• 11:18
  huh?
• 11:18
  I've
• 11:19
  blown
• 11:19
  Anthony
• 11:19
  away.
• 11:20
  He's
• 11:20
  so
• 11:20
  confused.
• 11:21
  Can
• 11:21
  I
• 11:21
  press
• 11:22
  pause
• 11:22
  real
• 11:22
  quick?
• 11:23
  You
• 11:23
  know,
• 11:23
  some
• 11:23
  people
• 11:23
  are
• 11:24
  like,
• 11:24
  man,
• 11:24
  I
• 11:24
  remember
• 11:24
  I
• 11:25
  talked
• 11:25
  to
• 11:25
  my
• 11:25
  father.
• 11:25
  And
• 11:26
  he
• 11:26
  told
• 11:26
  me
• 11:26
  X,
• 11:26
  Y,
• 11:26
  and.
• 11:27
  Z,
• 11:27
  and
• 11:28
  we're
• 11:28
  like,
• 11:28
  yeah.
• 11:29
  Huh,
• 11:29
  that's
• 11:29
  interesting.
• 11:30
  My
• 11:30
  brain's
• 11:31
  broken.
• 11:31
  Or
• 11:32
  maybe
• 11:33
  you
• 11:33
  got
• 11:33
  some
• 11:34
  other
• 11:34
  visual,
• 11:35
  creative
• 11:35
  beast
• 11:36
  things
• 11:36
  happening
• 11:36
  in
• 11:37
  there.
• 11:37
  That's
• 11:37
  interesting.
• 11:38
  Maybe.
• 11:38
  Who
• 11:38
  knows?
• 11:39
  Or
• 11:39
  maybe
• 11:40
  you
• 11:40
  just
• 11:40
  really
• 11:40
  needed
• 11:40
  to
• 11:40
  distract
• 11:41
  me
• 11:41
  from
• 11:41
  what
• 11:41
  I
• 11:41
  was
• 11:42
  about
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  ask
• 11:42
  because
• 11:42
  now
• 11:42
  I
• 11:43
  forgot.
• 11:43
  That's
• 11:44
  crazy.
• 11:47
  Wow.
• 11:48
  So
• 11:48
  I'm
• 11:48
  gonna
• 11:49
  jump
• 11:49
  around
• 11:49
  a
• 11:49
  little
• 11:49
  bit
• 11:49
  here
• 11:50
  because
• 11:50
  you've
• 11:50
  worked
• 11:50
  with,
• 11:51
  like,
• 11:51
  a
• 11:51
  huge
• 11:52
  list
• 11:52
  of
• 11:52
  artists,
• 11:53
  and
• 11:53
  actually,
• 11:53
  since
• 11:53
  I've
• 11:54
  mentioned
• 11:54
  that,
• 11:55
  what
• 11:55
  are
• 11:55
  some
• 11:55
  of
• 11:55
  the
• 11:56
  things,
• 11:56
  some
• 11:56
  of
• 11:56
  the
• 11:56
  ways
• 11:57
  that
• 11:57
  you've
• 11:57
  used
• 11:58
  to
• 11:58
  just
• 11:58
  balance,
• 12:00
  not
• 12:00
  only
• 12:01
  learning
• 12:01
  music
• 12:01
  but
• 12:02
  learning
• 12:02
  other
• 12:03
  people's
• 12:03
  music
• 12:03
  and
• 12:04
  then
• 12:04
  the
• 12:04
  different
• 12:04
  roles
• 12:04
  you
• 12:05
  play,
• 12:05
  like
• 12:05
  sometimes
• 12:06
  having
• 12:06
  to
• 12:06
  arrange
• 12:06
  shows
• 12:07
  versus
• 12:08
  be
• 12:08
  there
• 12:08
  as
• 12:08
  drummer
• 12:09
  or
• 12:09
  whatever
• 12:09
  it
• 12:10
  is.
• 12:10
  How
• 12:10
  do
• 12:10
  you
• 12:10
  balance
• 12:10
  the
• 12:11
  different
• 12:11
  roles
• 12:11
  and
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  different
• 12:12
  artists
• 12:12
  and
• 12:13
  different
• 12:13
  projects
• 12:13
  you
• 12:13
  have
• 12:13
  going
• 12:14
  on
• 12:14
  at
• 12:15
  one
• 12:15
  time?
• 12:17
  Yeah.
• 12:17
  I
• 12:18
  think
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  best
• 12:18
  way
• 12:18
  to
• 12:19
  balance
• 12:19
  it
• 12:19
  is
• 12:20
  having
• 12:20
  a
• 12:20
  team
• 12:21
  of
• 12:21
  people
• 12:22
  that
• 12:22
  you
• 12:22
  trust.
• 12:23
  Right.
• 12:23
  Because
• 12:23
  you
• 12:24
  can't
• 12:24
  do
• 12:24
  it
• 12:24
  all
• 12:25
  by
• 12:25
  yourself.
• 12:25
  Right?
• 12:26
  Exactly.
• 12:27
  And
• 12:27
  most
• 12:28
  people
• 12:29
  in
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  music
• 12:29
  industry
• 12:30
  want
• 12:30
  to
• 12:30
  be
• 12:30
  known
• 12:31
  for
• 12:31
  doing
• 12:31
  everything.
• 12:33
  Okay.
• 12:34
  I
• 12:34
  don't
• 12:34
  want
• 12:34
  to
• 12:34
  be
• 12:34
  that
• 12:35
  guy.
• 12:35
  If
• 12:36
  I.
• 12:36
  If
• 12:36
  I
• 12:36
  would
• 12:36
  have
• 12:36
  my
• 12:37
  choice,
• 12:37
  why
• 12:37
  would
• 12:38
  I
• 12:38
  want
• 12:38
  to
• 12:38
  work
• 12:38
  hard
• 12:39
  to
• 12:39
  show
• 12:40
  everybody
• 12:40
  I
• 12:40
  can
• 12:40
  do
• 12:41
  everything
• 12:42
  rather
• 12:42
  than
• 12:42
  work
• 12:43
  smarter.
• 12:43
  Right.
• 12:44
  And
• 12:44
  get
• 12:44
  people
• 12:44
  that
• 12:44
  are
• 12:45
  good
• 12:45
  at
• 12:45
  what
• 12:45
  they
• 12:45
  do
• 12:46
  to
• 12:46
  complement
• 12:46
  what
• 12:47
  I
• 12:47
  do.
• 12:47
  Makes
• 12:47
  sense,
• 12:48
  you
• 12:48
  know,
• 12:49
  so
• 12:49
  that's
• 12:49
  kind
• 12:49
  of
• 12:50
  how
• 12:50
  I've
• 12:50
  always
• 12:51
  been
• 12:51
  to
• 12:51
  a
• 12:51
  fault,
• 12:52
  unfortunately,
• 12:53
  because
• 12:53
  sometimes
• 12:54
  that
• 12:54
  has
• 12:54
  burned
• 12:55
  me
• 12:55
  by
• 12:55
  being
• 12:55
  so
• 12:56
  nice
• 12:57
  and
• 12:57
  being
• 12:57
  so.
• 12:57
  Yeah,
• 12:58
  let's
• 12:58
  do
• 12:58
  it
• 12:58
  as
• 12:58
  a
• 12:59
  team.
• 12:59
  Right.
• 12:59
  Got
• 12:59
  you.
• 13:00
  Okay.
• 13:00
  You
• 13:00
  know,
• 13:02
  and
• 13:02
  sometimes,
• 13:03
  too,
• 13:03
  you
• 13:04
  know,
• 13:04
  being
• 13:04
  completely
• 13:05
  transparent,
• 13:05
  you
• 13:06
  know,
• 13:06
  sometimes
• 13:06
  you
• 13:07
  feel
• 13:07
  like
• 13:07
  because
• 13:07
  you're
• 13:08
  doing
• 13:08
  that,
• 13:10
  you're
• 13:10
  sacrificing
• 13:11
  in
• 13:11
  some
• 13:11
  ways.
• 13:12
  Because
• 13:12
  I'm
• 13:12
  looking
• 13:13
  at
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  collective
• 13:13
  instead
• 13:14
  of
• 13:14
  myself.
• 13:15
  Right,
• 13:15
  right.
• 13:15
  Yeah.
• 13:16
  And
• 13:16
  it's
• 13:16
  like,
• 13:16
  I
• 13:16
  can
• 13:17
  put
• 13:17
  myself
• 13:17
  out
• 13:17
  there,
• 13:18
  like,
• 13:18
  yeah,
• 13:18
  I
• 13:18
  could
• 13:18
  do
• 13:19
  this.
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  do
• 13:19
  that.
• 13:19
  Yeah.
• 13:20
  You
• 13:20
  know,
• 13:20
  some
• 13:20
  people
• 13:20
  do
• 13:21
  that,
• 13:21
  and
• 13:22
  their
• 13:22
  career
• 13:22
  path
• 13:22
  goes
• 13:23
  in
• 13:23
  a
• 13:23
  different
• 13:23
  direction,
• 13:24
  maybe
• 13:24
  a
• 13:25
  little
• 13:25
  bit
• 13:25
  faster,
• 13:25
  but,
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  know,
• 13:26
  mine
• 13:26
  might
• 13:26
  be
• 13:27
  a
• 13:27
  little
• 13:27
  bit
• 13:27
  slower.
• 13:28
  But
• 13:28
  just
• 13:28
  being
• 13:29
  real,
• 13:29
  it
• 13:30
  takes
• 13:30
  you
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  really
• 13:31
  just
• 13:31
  understand
• 13:31
  what
• 13:31
  your
• 13:32
  path
• 13:32
  is
• 13:33
  and
• 13:33
  being
• 13:33
  comfortable
• 13:34
  with
• 13:34
  that,
• 13:34
  you
• 13:35
  know,
• 13:35
  because
• 13:35
  we
• 13:36
  can
• 13:36
  all
• 13:36
  get
• 13:36
  caught
• 13:36
  up
• 13:37
  in
• 13:37
  like,
• 13:37
  man,
• 13:37
  the
• 13:37
  next
• 13:38
  man
• 13:38
  is
• 13:38
  doing
• 13:38
  this,
• 13:38
  the
• 13:39
  next
• 13:39
  man
• 13:39
  is
• 13:39
  doing
• 13:39
  that.
• 13:40
  Why
• 13:40
  am
• 13:40
  I
• 13:40
  here?
• 13:40
  For
• 13:40
  sure.
• 13:41
  Yeah.
• 13:41
  Yeah.
• 13:41
  You
• 13:41
  know
• 13:41
  what
• 13:41
  I'm
• 13:41
  saying?
• 13:43
  So,
• 13:43
  you
• 13:43
  know,
• 13:43
  just
• 13:44
  being
• 13:44
  comfortable,
• 13:45
  and
• 13:45
  at
• 13:45
  the
• 13:45
  end
• 13:45
  of
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  day,
• 13:46
  just
• 13:46
  being
• 13:46
  comfortable
• 13:47
  just
• 13:47
  knowing
• 13:48
  that
• 13:48
  I
• 13:49
  actually
• 13:49
  helped
• 13:50
  other
• 13:50
  people
• 13:50
  make
• 13:51
  money.
• 13:51
  That's
• 13:52
  what
• 13:52
  make
• 13:52
  me
• 13:52
  feel
• 13:52
  good.
• 13:52
  That's
• 13:53
  huge.
• 13:53
  Right?
• 13:53
  You
• 13:53
  know?
• 13:54
  Yeah.
• 13:54
  For
• 13:54
  sure.
• 13:55
  Valuable
• 13:55
  service.
• 13:56
  Yeah,
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  like
• 13:58
  that.
• 14:00
  So
• 14:00
  let
• 14:00
  me
• 14:00
  just
• 14:00
  break
• 14:00
  down
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  couple
• 14:01
  of
• 14:01
  those
• 14:01
  hats,
• 14:01
  because
• 14:02
  I
• 14:02
  keep
• 14:02
  mentioning
• 14:02
  them.
• 14:03
  So
• 14:03
  when
• 14:04
  you're
• 14:04
  approaching,
• 14:05
  let's
• 14:05
  say,
• 14:05
  a
• 14:05
  live
• 14:06
  show
• 14:06
  right
• 14:06
  now,
• 14:08
  what
• 14:08
  are
• 14:08
  some
• 14:08
  of
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  biggest
• 14:09
  difference
• 14:09
  in
• 14:10
  differences
• 14:10
  in
• 14:10
  your
• 14:10
  process
• 14:11
  going
• 14:12
  in
• 14:12
  as
• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
  musical
• 14:14
  director
• 14:14
  versus
• 14:16
  a
• 14:17
  musician
• 14:17
  or
• 14:17
  assassin?
• 14:18
  Musician.
• 14:20
  Musical
• 14:21
  director
• 14:21
  is
• 14:22
  kind
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  like
• 14:22
  being
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  project
• 14:23
  manager
• 14:24
  for
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  corporation.
• 14:25
  Right,
• 14:25
  Right.
• 14:25
  Could.
• 14:26
  It's
• 14:26
  like
• 14:27
  you
• 14:28
  have
• 14:28
  to
• 14:28
  be.
• 14:29
  You
• 14:29
  have
• 14:29
  to
• 14:29
  delegate
• 14:30
  duties,
• 14:31
  and
• 14:31
  you
• 14:32
  got
• 14:32
  to
• 14:32
  be
• 14:32
  a
• 14:32
  great
• 14:32
  communicator.
• 14:33
  Right.
• 14:33
  And
• 14:33
  that's
• 14:34
  even
• 14:34
  before
• 14:34
  you
• 14:34
  start
• 14:34
  doing
• 14:35
  music.
• 14:35
  Right.
• 14:36
  That's
• 14:36
  before
• 14:36
  you
• 14:37
  get
• 14:37
  in
• 14:37
  the
• 14:37
  studio
• 14:38
  because
• 14:38
  you
• 14:38
  have
• 14:38
  to
• 14:39
  balance
• 14:39
  what
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  artists
• 14:40
  want.
• 14:41
  Right.
• 14:42
  And
• 14:42
  then
• 14:42
  you
• 14:42
  have
• 14:42
  to
• 14:42
  balance
• 14:43
  what
• 14:43
  the
• 14:43
  musicians
• 14:44
  need
• 14:44
  to
• 14:45
  give
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  artist
• 14:45
  what
• 14:45
  they
• 14:45
  want.
• 14:46
  Right?
• 14:47
  Yep.
• 14:47
  And
• 14:48
  I
• 14:48
  like
• 14:48
  to
• 14:48
  be
• 14:48
  that
• 14:48
  guy
• 14:49
  in
• 14:49
  the
• 14:49
  middle
• 14:49
  to
• 14:50
  advocate
• 14:50
  for
• 14:50
  the
• 14:51
  musicians.
• 14:52
  Right.
• 14:53
  But
• 14:53
  also
• 14:54
  understand
• 14:54
  the
• 14:55
  business
• 14:55
  side
• 14:55
  of
• 14:55
  it
• 14:56
  when
• 14:56
  it
• 14:56
  comes
• 14:56
  to
• 14:57
  budgets
• 14:57
  and,
• 14:58
  you
• 14:58
  know,
• 14:58
  what
• 14:58
  the
• 14:58
  artist
• 14:59
  is
• 14:59
  trying
• 14:59
  to
• 14:59
  do
• 14:59
  as
• 14:59
  well.
• 15:00
  So
• 15:00
  trying
• 15:00
  to
• 15:00
  make
• 15:01
  everybody
• 15:01
  happy
• 15:01
  all
• 15:02
  around.
• 15:02
  Got
• 15:02
  you.
• 15:03
  So
• 15:03
  it
• 15:03
  starts
• 15:04
  there,
• 15:04
  you
• 15:04
  know,
• 15:05
  and
• 15:05
  then
• 15:05
  once
• 15:06
  I
• 15:06
  have
• 15:06
  a
• 15:06
  meeting
• 15:07
  with
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  management
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  artist,
• 15:09
  they
• 15:09
  tell
• 15:09
  me
• 15:09
  their
• 15:09
  vision
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  what
• 15:10
  they're
• 15:10
  trying
• 15:10
  to
• 15:10
  do.
• 15:11
  Sometimes
• 15:12
  a
• 15:12
  lot
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  these
• 15:12
  artists
• 15:13
  have
• 15:13
  creative
• 15:14
  directors.
• 15:14
  Okay.
• 15:15
  And
• 15:15
  if
• 15:15
  they
• 15:15
  do
• 15:15
  that,
• 15:16
  I
• 15:17
  consult
• 15:17
  with
• 15:17
  them
• 15:18
  most
• 15:18
  of
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  time
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  creative
• 15:19
  director,
• 15:20
  because
• 15:20
  they
• 15:20
  have
• 15:20
  a
• 15:20
  show
• 15:21
  script
• 15:22
  of
• 15:22
  like.
• 15:23
  Like
• 15:23
  colors.
• 15:24
  All
• 15:24
  right.
• 15:24
  For
• 15:25
  this
• 15:25
  song,
• 15:25
  it's
• 15:25
  going
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  be
• 15:25
  this
• 15:26
  type
• 15:26
  of
• 15:26
  color
• 15:26
  which
• 15:26
  create
• 15:27
  this
• 15:27
  type
• 15:27
  of
• 15:27
  mood.
• 15:28
  Right.
• 15:28
  So
• 15:28
  we
• 15:28
  need
• 15:29
  the
• 15:29
  music
• 15:29
  to
• 15:29
  reflect
• 15:30
  that,
• 15:30
  and
• 15:31
  then
• 15:31
  we
• 15:31
  need
• 15:32
  this
• 15:32
  song
• 15:32
  to
• 15:33
  go
• 15:33
  into
• 15:33
  this
• 15:33
  song.
• 15:34
  So
• 15:34
  it's
• 15:34
  a
• 15:34
  lot
• 15:35
  of
• 15:35
  mapping
• 15:36
  out
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  show.
• 15:36
  Right.
• 15:37
  Skeleton,
• 15:38
  Bare
• 15:38
  bones.
• 15:39
  And
• 15:39
  then
• 15:39
  I
• 15:39
  take
• 15:40
  all
• 15:40
  that
• 15:40
  information,
• 15:40
  go
• 15:41
  to
• 15:41
  the
• 15:41
  studio,
• 15:41
  and
• 15:42
  then
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  turn
• 15:42
  into
• 15:42
  producer
• 15:43
  mode.
• 15:43
  Gotcha.
• 15:44
  And
• 15:44
  then
• 15:44
  I
• 15:44
  relay
• 15:45
  these
• 15:45
  things
• 15:45
  to
• 15:46
  the
• 15:46
  musicians.
• 15:46
  Yep.
• 15:47
  Like
• 15:47
  I
• 15:47
  said,
• 15:47
  I
• 15:47
  have
• 15:48
  a
• 15:48
  team
• 15:48
  of
• 15:48
  guys
• 15:48
  that
• 15:48
  I
• 15:49
  work
• 15:49
  with,
• 15:50
  so
• 15:50
  I'm
• 15:50
  always
• 15:50
  open
• 15:50
  to
• 15:51
  their
• 15:51
  suggestions
• 15:52
  of
• 15:52
  like,
• 15:52
  okay,
• 15:53
  what
• 15:54
  do
• 15:54
  you
• 15:54
  guys
• 15:54
  think
• 15:54
  about
• 15:54
  this
• 15:55
  transition
• 15:55
  going
• 15:55
  from
• 15:56
  here
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  here?
• 15:56
  What
• 15:56
  would
• 15:56
  you
• 15:57
  guys
• 15:57
  do?
• 15:57
  And
• 15:57
  then
• 15:57
  we
• 15:58
  all
• 15:58
  figure
• 15:58
  it
• 15:58
  out
• 15:58
  together
• 15:59
  to
• 15:59
  make
• 16:00
  it
• 16:00
  cohesive
• 16:00
  so
• 16:01
  it's
• 16:01
  like,
• 16:01
  more
• 16:01
  collaborative.
• 16:02
  And
• 16:02
  I
• 16:02
  like
• 16:02
  that
• 16:03
  process
• 16:03
  of
• 16:04
  not
• 16:05
  telling
• 16:05
  people
• 16:05
  what
• 16:06
  to
• 16:06
  play,
• 16:07
  but
• 16:07
  being
• 16:07
  open
• 16:08
  to
• 16:08
  what
• 16:08
  feels
• 16:09
  right
• 16:09
  to
• 16:09
  everybody,
• 16:10
  you
• 16:10
  know,
• 16:11
  because
• 16:11
  it
• 16:11
  makes
• 16:11
  it
• 16:11
  more
• 16:12
  natural.
• 16:12
  Got
• 16:13
  you.
• 16:13
  And
• 16:13
  a
• 16:13
  lot
• 16:13
  of
• 16:14
  times
• 16:14
  for
• 16:15
  stuff
• 16:15
  that
• 16:15
  I
• 16:15
  md,
• 16:16
  they
• 16:16
  don't
• 16:16
  even
• 16:17
  have
• 16:17
  a
• 16:17
  live
• 16:17
  band
• 16:17
  on
• 16:18
  stage.
• 16:18
  Right.
• 16:18
  Right.
• 16:19
  So
• 16:19
  it's
• 16:19
  all
• 16:20
  pre
• 16:20
  recorded
• 16:21
  band.
• 16:21
  Got
• 16:21
  you.
• 16:22
  So
• 16:22
  we
• 16:22
  got
• 16:22
  to
• 16:22
  make
• 16:22
  it
• 16:23
  feel
• 16:23
  like
• 16:24
  it's
• 16:24
  live
• 16:25
  even
• 16:25
  though
• 16:25
  we
• 16:26
  aren't
• 16:26
  in
• 16:27
  the.
• 16:27
  In
• 16:27
  the.
• 16:27
  In
• 16:27
  the
• 16:28
  venue.
• 16:29
  So,
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  know,
• 16:29
  I
• 16:30
  had
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  take
• 16:30
  all
• 16:30
  those
• 16:30
  things
• 16:31
  in
• 16:31
  consideration.
• 16:31
  So.
• 16:32
  And
• 16:32
  even
• 16:33
  once
• 16:33
  we
• 16:33
  do
• 16:34
  those
• 16:34
  arrangements,
• 16:35
  record
• 16:35
  all
• 16:35
  those
• 16:36
  parts
• 16:36
  with
• 16:37
  instruments,
• 16:38
  you
• 16:38
  have
• 16:38
  to
• 16:39
  engineer
• 16:39
  it
• 16:39
  properly
• 16:40
  so
• 16:41
  it
• 16:41
  translates.
• 16:42
  True.
• 16:42
  So
• 16:42
  that's
• 16:43
  where
• 16:43
  the
• 16:43
  producer
• 16:43
  hat
• 16:44
  comes
• 16:44
  in.
• 16:44
  Right.
• 16:45
  You
• 16:46
  know,
• 16:46
  you
• 16:46
  got
• 16:46
  to
• 16:46
  make
• 16:47
  sure
• 16:47
  things
• 16:47
  are
• 16:47
  in
• 16:47
  time.
• 16:48
  You
• 16:48
  got
• 16:48
  to
• 16:48
  make
• 16:48
  sure
• 16:48
  things
• 16:49
  aren't
• 16:49
  clicking
• 16:49
  and
• 16:50
  popping
• 16:50
  and
• 16:50
  distorted.
• 16:51
  Right.
• 16:52
  So
• 16:52
  that's
• 16:52
  where
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  engineering
• 16:53
  hat
• 16:54
  from
• 16:54
  myself
• 16:54
  and
• 16:55
  producer
• 16:55
  hat
• 16:55
  comes
• 16:56
  in
• 16:56
  to
• 16:56
  make
• 16:57
  sure
• 16:57
  that
• 16:57
  what
• 16:57
  I'm
• 16:58
  presenting
• 16:58
  to
• 16:58
  the
• 16:59
  client
• 17:00
  sounds
• 17:01
  great.
• 17:02
  So
• 17:02
  when
• 17:02
  their
• 17:03
  engineer,
• 17:03
  their
• 17:04
  live
• 17:04
  engineer
• 17:04
  get
• 17:04
  my
• 17:05
  file.
• 17:05
  Yeah.
• 17:06
  If
• 17:06
  they
• 17:06
  just
• 17:06
  put
• 17:07
  everything
• 17:07
  at
• 17:07
  Zero
• 17:08
  Unity
• 17:09
  on
• 17:09
  their
• 17:09
  console.
• 17:10
  They
• 17:10
  have
• 17:10
  a
• 17:11
  great
• 17:11
  starting
• 17:11
  point,
• 17:12
  you
• 17:12
  know.
• 17:12
  Yeah.
• 17:13
  It's
• 17:13
  like
• 17:14
  stuff
• 17:14
  is
• 17:14
  all
• 17:14
  over
• 17:14
  the
• 17:15
  place.
• 17:15
  Files
• 17:16
  don't
• 17:16
  start
• 17:16
  at
• 17:17
  the
• 17:17
  same
• 17:17
  place.
• 17:18
  So
• 17:18
  you're
• 17:18
  trying
• 17:18
  to
• 17:18
  figure
• 17:19
  out
• 17:19
  where
• 17:19
  this
• 17:19
  go.
• 17:20
  Yeah.
• 17:20
  Stuff
• 17:20
  isn't
• 17:21
  labeled
• 17:21
  properly.
• 17:22
  The
• 17:23
  wrong
• 17:23
  format,
• 17:24
  the
• 17:25
  wrong
• 17:25
  bit
• 17:25
  rate.
• 17:26
  It's
• 17:26
  a
• 17:26
  lot
• 17:26
  of
• 17:26
  stuff
• 17:27
  that
• 17:27
  goes
• 17:27
  into
• 17:28
  it
• 17:28
  that
• 17:28
  people
• 17:29
  really
• 17:29
  don't
• 17:29
  think
• 17:29
  about.
• 17:30
  But,
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  know,
• 17:31
  we
• 17:31
  only
• 17:31
  hear
• 17:31
  the
• 17:32
  end
• 17:32
  result.
• 17:32
  But
• 17:32
  it's
• 17:33
  a
• 17:33
  lot
• 17:33
  of
• 17:33
  technical
• 17:33
  things.
• 17:34
  Yeah.
• 17:34
  Behind
• 17:34
  the
• 17:34
  scenes
• 17:35
  and
• 17:35
  result.
• 17:35
  Yeah,
• 17:36
  for
• 17:36
  sure.
• 17:36
  For
• 17:37
  sure.
• 17:37
  And
• 17:37
  I
• 17:37
  mean,
• 17:37
  the
• 17:38
  many
• 17:38
  hats
• 17:38
  that
• 17:38
  you
• 17:39
  wear,
• 17:39
  you
• 17:39
  know
• 17:39
  better
• 17:39
  than
• 17:39
  everyone
• 17:40
  else
• 17:40
  how
• 17:41
  many
• 17:41
  layers
• 17:41
  there
• 17:42
  are.
• 17:42
  That
• 17:42
  is
• 17:42
  goes
• 17:43
  from
• 17:43
  making
• 17:43
  a
• 17:44
  song
• 17:44
  to
• 17:44
  putting
• 17:44
  out
• 17:44
  a
• 17:45
  song.
• 17:46
  Yeah.
• 17:46
  Sorry.
• 17:47
  I
• 17:47
  hear
• 17:47
  music
• 17:48
  in
• 17:48
  the
• 17:48
  back.
• 17:49
  Someone's
• 17:49
  background.
• 17:51
  That's
• 17:51
  probably
• 17:51
  me.
• 17:52
  Sorry.
• 17:52
  Let
• 17:52
  me
• 17:52
  see
• 17:52
  if
• 17:53
  this
• 17:53
  tv.
• 17:53
  Hold
• 17:53
  on.
• 17:53
  That's
• 17:54
  okay.
• 17:54
  No
• 17:54
  problem.
• 17:54
  It's
• 17:55
  just
• 17:55
  going
• 17:55
  to
• 17:55
  come
• 17:55
  through
• 17:55
  on
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  recording.
• 17:56
  I
• 17:57
  know,
• 17:57
  Matt.
• 17:57
  I'm
• 17:57
  sorry
• 17:58
  about
• 17:58
  that.
• 17:58
  That's
• 17:58
  okay.
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  know
• 17:59
  Matt's
• 18:00
  gonna
• 18:00
  ask
• 18:00
  me
• 18:00
  questions.
• 18:01
  Yeah,
• 18:01
  much
• 18:01
  better.
• 18:01
  Thank
• 18:01
  you.
• 18:02
  Sorry
• 18:02
  about
• 18:02
  that.
• 18:04
  That's
• 18:04
  easy.
• 18:04
  I
• 18:04
  was
• 18:04
  listening
• 18:05
  to
• 18:05
  an
• 18:05
  episode
• 18:05
  of
• 18:06
  Eyl
• 18:06
  and
• 18:06
  they
• 18:07
  had
• 18:07
  Bounty
• 18:07
  Killer
• 18:07
  on
• 18:08
  and
• 18:08
  it
• 18:08
  sounded
• 18:08
  like
• 18:08
  they're
• 18:09
  in
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  middle
• 18:09
  of
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  street
• 18:10
  with
• 18:10
  little
• 18:10
  kids
• 18:10
  in
• 18:10
  the
• 18:11
  background,
• 18:11
  cars
• 18:11
  honking.
• 18:12
  So
• 18:12
  don't
• 18:12
  worry.
• 18:12
  It
• 18:13
  actually
• 18:13
  threw
• 18:13
  me
• 18:13
  off
• 18:13
  because
• 18:13
  I
• 18:14
  was
• 18:14
  driving
• 18:14
  when
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  was
• 18:14
  listening
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  thought
• 18:16
  someone
• 18:16
  kept
• 18:16
  honking
• 18:17
  their
• 18:17
  horn
• 18:17
  at
• 18:17
  me.
• 18:17
  It
• 18:18
  took
• 18:18
  me
• 18:18
  like,
• 18:18
  you
• 18:19
  like,
• 18:19
  looking
• 18:19
  around.
• 18:20
  Where's
• 18:20
  this
• 18:21
  little
• 18:21
  dinky
• 18:21
  horn
• 18:21
  coming
• 18:22
  from?
• 18:22
  Anyway,
• 18:22
  so
• 18:23
  we're
• 18:23
  good.
• 18:24
  Shout
• 18:24
  out
• 18:25
  to
• 18:25
  Bounty.
• 18:29
  Has
• 18:29
  there
• 18:29
  ever
• 18:29
  been
• 18:30
  a
• 18:30
  moment
• 18:30
  in
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  studio
• 18:31
  where
• 18:33
  I.
• 18:33
  You
• 18:33
  had
• 18:34
  been
• 18:34
  starstruck
• 18:35
  or
• 18:35
  working
• 18:36
  with
• 18:36
  somebody
• 18:36
  where
• 18:37
  you're
• 18:37
  like,
• 18:37
  oh,
• 18:37
  damn.
• 18:38
  Like,
• 18:38
  this
• 18:38
  is
• 18:38
  Mariah
• 18:39
  or
• 18:39
  Mary.
• 18:39
  Jesus.
• 18:40
  Absolutely
• 18:42
  still.
• 18:42
  Which
• 18:43
  one?
• 18:43
  Which
• 18:43
  one?
• 18:44
  Hold
• 18:44
  on,
• 18:45
  I'm
• 18:46
  just
• 18:46
  gonna
• 18:46
  pan
• 18:47
  over
• 18:47
  here
• 18:47
  so
• 18:47
  you
• 18:47
  can
• 18:47
  see.
• 18:48
  I
• 18:48
  already
• 18:48
  saw
• 18:48
  mj.
• 18:49
  I
• 18:49
  saw
• 18:49
  mj.
• 18:49
  I
• 18:50
  saw
• 18:50
  that.
• 18:51
  Okay.
• 18:52
  Wow.
• 18:52
  Yeah.
• 18:52
  Yeah.
• 18:53
  That's
• 18:53
  crazy.
• 18:53
  That's
• 18:54
  crazy.
• 18:54
  So
• 18:54
  that.
• 18:54
  That.
• 18:55
  That
• 18:55
  did
• 18:55
  it
• 18:55
  for
• 18:55
  me
• 18:56
  right
• 18:56
  there.
• 18:56
  Working
• 18:56
  with
• 18:56
  MJ
• 18:57
  and
• 18:58
  James
• 18:58
  Brown.
• 18:58
  Yeah.
• 18:59
  Oh,
• 18:59
  my
• 18:59
  gosh.
• 18:59
  Yikes.
• 19:03
  Yeah,
• 19:03
  you
• 19:03
  know,
• 19:03
  as
• 19:03
  a
• 19:04
  drummer,
• 19:04
  musician,
• 19:05
  playing
• 19:06
  for
• 19:06
  James
• 19:06
  Brown,
• 19:07
  Legend
• 19:07
  being,
• 19:08
  as
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  like
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  call
• 19:08
  it,
• 19:09
  funk
• 19:09
  certified.
• 19:11
  What
• 19:11
  more
• 19:11
  can
• 19:11
  you
• 19:11
  ask
• 19:12
  for?
• 19:12
  Absolutely.
• 19:13
  Wow.
• 19:14
  I
• 19:15
  didn't
• 19:15
  get
• 19:15
  a
• 19:15
  chance
• 19:16
  to
• 19:16
  work
• 19:16
  with
• 19:16
  Mike
• 19:17
  and,
• 19:17
  you
• 19:17
  know,
• 19:17
  be
• 19:17
  in
• 19:17
  the
• 19:18
  room
• 19:18
  with
• 19:18
  him
• 19:18
  and
• 19:18
  talk
• 19:19
  with
• 19:19
  him
• 19:19
  and,
• 19:19
  you
• 19:20
  know,
• 19:20
  we
• 19:20
  worked
• 19:20
  on
• 19:20
  music.
• 19:21
  Unfortunately,
• 19:21
  it
• 19:21
  never
• 19:22
  came
• 19:22
  out
• 19:22
  because
• 19:22
  he
• 19:22
  passed
• 19:23
  away.
• 19:23
  Right.
• 19:23
  And
• 19:24
  Will
• 19:24
  I.
• 19:24
  And
• 19:25
  Will
• 19:25
  I
• 19:25
  am.
• 19:25
  Didn't
• 19:25
  want
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  release
• 19:26
  anything
• 19:26
  out
• 19:26
  of
• 19:27
  respect
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  him
• 19:27
  and
• 19:27
  his
• 19:27
  family.
• 19:28
  But,
• 19:29
  yeah,
• 19:29
  that
• 19:29
  was
• 19:29
  a
• 19:30
  Amazing
• 19:30
  opportunity
• 19:31
  to,
• 19:32
  you
• 19:32
  know,
• 19:32
  to
• 19:32
  go
• 19:32
  and
• 19:33
  work
• 19:33
  with
• 19:33
  him.
• 19:33
  So
• 19:33
  I
• 19:33
  would
• 19:34
  say
• 19:34
  those
• 19:34
  two
• 19:34
  for
• 19:34
  sure.
• 19:35
  What
• 19:35
  would
• 19:35
  you.
• 19:36
  What
• 19:36
  are
• 19:36
  your.
• 19:36
  Kind
• 19:36
  of
• 19:36
  like
• 19:36
  your
• 19:37
  biggest
• 19:37
  takeaways?
• 19:38
  You
• 19:38
  mentioned
• 19:38
  those
• 19:38
  two.
• 19:39
  MJ
• 19:40
  and
• 19:40
  James
• 19:41
  Brown.
• 19:41
  What
• 19:41
  were
• 19:41
  your
• 19:41
  takeaways
• 19:42
  from
• 19:42
  your
• 19:42
  experience
• 19:43
  working
• 19:43
  with
• 19:43
  each
• 19:43
  of
• 19:44
  them?
• 19:45
  Man,
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  would
• 19:46
  say
• 19:47
  James,
• 19:49
  it
• 19:50
  was
• 19:50
  very
• 19:50
  interesting.
• 19:51
  He
• 19:52
  did
• 19:52
  a
• 19:52
  song
• 19:52
  on
• 19:53
  the
• 19:53
  Black
• 19:53
  Eyed
• 19:53
  Peas,
• 19:54
  I
• 19:54
  think
• 19:54
  it
• 19:54
  was
• 19:55
  Monkey
• 19:55
  Business
• 19:56
  album
• 19:56
  called
• 19:57
  they
• 19:57
  don't
• 19:57
  want
• 19:57
  Music.
• 19:59
  So
• 19:59
  getting
• 20:00
  a
• 20:00
  chance
• 20:01
  to
• 20:01
  see
• 20:01
  his
• 20:01
  recording
• 20:02
  process.
• 20:03
  Yeah.
• 20:03
  And.
• 20:04
  And
• 20:05
  just
• 20:05
  the
• 20:06
  way
• 20:06
  he
• 20:06
  commanded
• 20:07
  the
• 20:07
  room.
• 20:08
  Yeah,
• 20:10
  it
• 20:10
  was.
• 20:10
  It
• 20:10
  was
• 20:11
  absolutely
• 20:12
  great.
• 20:12
  And,
• 20:13
  you
• 20:14
  know,
• 20:14
  he.
• 20:14
  He
• 20:14
  said
• 20:15
  something
• 20:15
  in
• 20:15
  a
• 20:15
  session
• 20:16
  to
• 20:16
  where
• 20:16
  he
• 20:16
  wanted
• 20:16
  a
• 20:16
  saxophone
• 20:17
  player
• 20:18
  to
• 20:19
  play
• 20:19
  a
• 20:19
  sax
• 20:19
  solo.
• 20:20
  And
• 20:20
  then,
• 20:21
  you
• 20:21
  know,
• 20:21
  we
• 20:21
  get
• 20:21
  to
• 20:21
  the
• 20:22
  part.
• 20:22
  Yeah,
• 20:23
  play
• 20:23
  that
• 20:23
  funky
• 20:23
  horn.
• 20:24
  Give
• 20:24
  me
• 20:24
  that
• 20:24
  funky
• 20:25
  horn.
• 20:25
  And
• 20:26
  so
• 20:26
  he
• 20:26
  goes
• 20:26
  into
• 20:26
  doing
• 20:27
  it
• 20:27
  solo,
• 20:27
  and
• 20:28
  he
• 20:28
  starts
• 20:28
  playing
• 20:28
  like
• 20:28
  a,
• 20:29
  you
• 20:29
  know,
• 20:29
  ripping,
• 20:29
  like.
• 20:30
  And
• 20:30
  he
• 20:31
  was
• 20:31
  like,
• 20:31
  cut
• 20:31
  it.
• 20:32
  You
• 20:32
  know,
• 20:33
  he's
• 20:33
  like,
• 20:33
  that's
• 20:33
  too.
• 20:34
  That's
• 20:34
  too.
• 20:34
  That's
• 20:34
  too
• 20:35
  complicated.
• 20:35
  We
• 20:36
  need
• 20:36
  something
• 20:36
  simple
• 20:36
  so
• 20:36
  the
• 20:37
  kids
• 20:37
  can
• 20:37
  understand.
• 20:38
  He's
• 20:39
  like,
• 20:39
  play
• 20:39
  Mary
• 20:39
  Had
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  Little
• 20:40
  Lamb.
• 20:42
  All
• 20:43
  right,
• 20:43
  here
• 20:43
  we
• 20:43
  go.
• 20:44
  Give
• 20:44
  me
• 20:44
  that
• 20:45
  funky
• 20:45
  horn.
• 20:46
  Give
• 20:46
  me
• 20:46
  that.
• 20:47
  He
• 20:47
  goes.
• 20:51
  And
• 20:51
  he
• 20:51
  started
• 20:52
  going
• 20:52
  crazy.
• 20:52
  So
• 20:54
  the
• 20:54
  takeaway
• 20:55
  from
• 20:55
  that
• 20:55
  is
• 20:55
  like,
• 20:56
  don't
• 20:56
  be
• 20:57
  too
• 20:57
  complicated
• 20:58
  to
• 20:58
  where
• 20:59
  the
• 20:59
  normal
• 21:00
  masses
• 21:00
  can't
• 21:00
  understand
• 21:01
  or
• 21:01
  feel
• 21:01
  what
• 21:02
  you're
• 21:02
  doing.
• 21:02
  Right.
• 21:04
  And,
• 21:04
  you
• 21:04
  know,
• 21:05
  with
• 21:05
  his
• 21:05
  music,
• 21:07
  it's
• 21:07
  simplistic,
• 21:08
  but
• 21:09
  yet
• 21:09
  it's
• 21:09
  complicated.
• 21:10
  It's.
• 21:11
  It's
• 21:11
  simple
• 21:11
  enough
• 21:11
  to
• 21:12
  grasp.
• 21:12
  The
• 21:12
  normal
• 21:12
  person
• 21:13
  can
• 21:13
  grasp,
• 21:13
  but
• 21:14
  only
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  musician
• 21:15
  types
• 21:16
  understand
• 21:16
  the
• 21:17
  intricacies
• 21:17
  and
• 21:18
  the
• 21:18
  complexity
• 21:18
  of
• 21:18
  what
• 21:19
  he
• 21:19
  did.
• 21:19
  Got
• 21:19
  you.
• 21:20
  So,
• 21:21
  yeah,
• 21:21
  just.
• 21:21
  Just
• 21:22
  learning.
• 21:22
  That
• 21:22
  was
• 21:23
  amazing.
• 21:24
  And
• 21:24
  then
• 21:25
  Mike.
• 21:25
  I
• 21:25
  mean,
• 21:25
  Jesus
• 21:26
  Christ.
• 21:26
  I
• 21:26
  mean,
• 21:27
  man.
• 21:27
  Yeah,
• 21:28
  yeah,
• 21:28
  yeah,
• 21:29
  yeah,
• 21:30
  yeah.
• 21:34
  We
• 21:34
  understand
• 21:36
  everybody
• 21:36
  listening
• 21:37
  just
• 21:37
  like.
• 21:37
  Yeah,
• 21:37
  yeah.
• 21:37
  They're
• 21:38
  not
• 21:38
  in
• 21:38
  their
• 21:38
  heads.
• 21:38
  Yeah,
• 21:38
  yeah.
• 21:39
  It's
• 21:39
  Big
• 21:39
  Mike.
• 21:40
  What
• 21:41
  are
• 21:41
  you
• 21:41
  asking
• 21:41
  that
• 21:41
  question
• 21:42
  for?
• 21:42
  Yeah,
• 21:42
  no,
• 21:43
  we
• 21:43
  get
• 21:43
  it.
• 21:45
  Yeah,
• 21:45
  man.
• 21:45
  That's
• 21:45
  huge,
• 21:46
  though,
• 21:46
  man.
• 21:47
  No
• 21:47
  kidding.
• 21:47
  Given.
• 21:48
  Given
• 21:48
  who
• 21:48
  you've
• 21:49
  worked
• 21:49
  with,
• 21:49
  is
• 21:49
  there
• 21:50
  anyone
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  you
• 21:50
  still
• 21:51
  kind
• 21:51
  of
• 21:52
  like,
• 21:52
  fingers
• 21:53
  crossed.
• 21:53
  Hope.
• 21:54
  To
• 21:54
  work
• 21:54
  with
• 21:54
  before,
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  know,
• 21:55
  you
• 21:56
  call
• 21:56
  it
• 21:56
  a
• 21:56
  day?
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  don't
• 21:58
  know
• 21:58
  why
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  said
• 21:59
  call
• 21:59
  it
• 21:59
  a
• 21:59
  day
• 22:01
  before,
• 22:01
  you
• 22:01
  know,
• 22:01
  before
• 22:02
  you
• 22:02
  stop
• 22:02
  doing
• 22:03
  music.
• 22:03
  You
• 22:03
  know
• 22:03
  what
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  mean?
• 22:04
  Like,
• 22:04
  I
• 22:04
  hear
• 22:04
  that.
• 22:05
  Yeah,
• 22:05
  that
• 22:05
  day
• 22:06
  will
• 22:06
  come.
• 22:06
  Exactly.
• 22:07
  Like,
• 22:07
  one
• 22:07
  day.
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  just
• 22:07
  want
• 22:08
  to
• 22:08
  be
• 22:08
  on
• 22:08
  a
• 22:08
  beach,
• 22:08
  just
• 22:08
  chilling.
• 22:09
  There
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  go.
• 22:09
  That's
• 22:10
  what
• 22:10
  it
• 22:10
  is.
• 22:10
  The
• 22:10
  sunset.
• 22:11
  Yeah.
• 22:13
  Let's
• 22:13
  see.
• 22:14
  I
• 22:14
  would
• 22:15
  have
• 22:15
  to
• 22:15
  say
• 22:19
  I
• 22:19
  haven't
• 22:20
  worked
• 22:20
  with
• 22:20
  Beyonce
• 22:21
  yet.
• 22:21
  That
• 22:21
  would
• 22:21
  be
• 22:21
  kind
• 22:21
  of
• 22:22
  dope,
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  don't
• 22:23
  think.
• 22:23
  Yeah,
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  think
• 22:23
  that's
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  last
• 22:24
  big
• 22:25
  star.
• 22:25
  Her
• 22:25
  and
• 22:26
  dreads.
• 22:27
  Yeah,
• 22:27
  yeah,
• 22:28
  yeah.
• 22:28
  Literally.
• 22:29
  And
• 22:29
  I
• 22:30
  want
• 22:30
  to
• 22:30
  work
• 22:30
  with
• 22:30
  them
• 22:30
  when
• 22:31
  they're
• 22:31
  trying
• 22:31
  to
• 22:31
  do,
• 22:32
  like,
• 22:33
  real
• 22:33
  music
• 22:33
  and
• 22:33
  not
• 22:34
  to
• 22:34
  say
• 22:34
  what
• 22:34
  they're
• 22:34
  doing
• 22:34
  isn't
• 22:35
  okay,
• 22:35
  but
• 22:35
  like,
• 22:35
  when
• 22:36
  they
• 22:36
  trying
• 22:36
  to
• 22:36
  do,
• 22:36
  like,
• 22:37
  okay,
• 22:37
  we
• 22:37
  about
• 22:37
  to
• 22:38
  get
• 22:38
  a
• 22:38
  band.
• 22:38
  Yeah.
• 22:39
  We're
• 22:39
  about
• 22:39
  to
• 22:39
  do
• 22:39
  something
• 22:40
  that
• 22:40
  y'
• 22:40
  all
• 22:40
  would
• 22:41
  even
• 22:41
  expect
• 22:41
  to
• 22:42
  hear
• 22:42
  me
• 22:42
  doing.
• 22:42
  Right.
• 22:44
  That
• 22:44
  would
• 22:44
  be
• 22:44
  interesting.
• 22:45
  Kind
• 22:45
  of
• 22:45
  like
• 22:45
  how
• 22:45
  Lady
• 22:46
  Gaga
• 22:46
  has
• 22:46
  transitioned
• 22:47
  from,
• 22:48
  you
• 22:48
  know,
• 22:49
  being
• 22:49
  the
• 22:49
  pop
• 22:50
  God
• 22:51
  goddess.
• 22:51
  Yeah.
• 22:52
  To
• 22:53
  she
• 22:53
  can
• 22:54
  do
• 22:54
  Vegas
• 22:54
  doing
• 22:55
  jazz.
• 22:55
  Right,
• 22:56
  right.
• 22:56
  Yeah,
• 22:57
  yeah,
• 22:57
  yeah.
• 22:58
  You
• 22:58
  know,
• 22:58
  he's
• 22:59
  like
• 22:59
  a
• 22:59
  whole
• 22:59
  different
• 23:00
  thing.
• 23:01
  So
• 23:02
  I
• 23:02
  would
• 23:02
  like
• 23:03
  to
• 23:03
  work
• 23:04
  with
• 23:04
  her
• 23:04
  at
• 23:04
  that
• 23:04
  point
• 23:05
  where
• 23:05
  she's
• 23:05
  just
• 23:05
  like,
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  know
• 23:06
  what?
• 23:06
  I
• 23:06
  wanna.
• 23:07
  I
• 23:07
  want
• 23:07
  to
• 23:08
  sing
• 23:08
  freaking
• 23:09
  opera
• 23:09
  or
• 23:09
  something.
• 23:09
  Just
• 23:10
  something
• 23:11
  that
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  like.
• 23:12
  Damn.
• 23:12
  Beyonce
• 23:13
  did
• 23:13
  a
• 23:13
  bossa
• 23:14
  nova
• 23:14
  album.
• 23:14
  That'.
• 23:15
  Ah,
• 23:15
  that
• 23:15
  would
• 23:16
  be
• 23:16
  dope.
• 23:16
  To
• 23:16
  go
• 23:16
  crazy
• 23:17
  in
• 23:17
  Brazil
• 23:17
  like
• 23:18
  that.
• 23:18
  Exactly.
• 23:20
  So,
• 23:20
  yeah,
• 23:21
  I
• 23:21
  would
• 23:21
  say
• 23:21
  her,
• 23:22
  definitely.
• 23:22
  Drake.
• 23:22
  I
• 23:23
  think
• 23:23
  Drake
• 23:23
  is
• 23:23
  fire.
• 23:24
  Of
• 23:24
  course.
• 23:24
  Yeah.
• 23:25
  Yeah.
• 23:25
  I'm
• 23:25
  confused
• 23:26
  by
• 23:26
  people
• 23:26
  that
• 23:26
  don't
• 23:27
  think
• 23:27
  he
• 23:27
  is.
• 23:29
  Yeah,
• 23:30
  me
• 23:30
  too.
• 23:30
  I.
• 23:30
  I
• 23:31
  don't
• 23:31
  understand
• 23:31
  the,
• 23:32
  the,
• 23:32
  the
• 23:33
  numbers.
• 23:33
  The
• 23:33
  track
• 23:33
  record
• 23:34
  speaks
• 23:34
  for
• 23:34
  itself.
• 23:35
  Yeah.
• 23:35
  You
• 23:35
  know,
• 23:36
  you
• 23:36
  gotta
• 23:36
  respect
• 23:36
  that.
• 23:37
  Exactly.
• 23:37
  Yeah.
• 23:38
  No
• 23:38
  kidding.
• 23:38
  Yeah.
• 23:39
  It's
• 23:39
  nuts,
• 23:39
  man.
• 23:40
  Yeah.
• 23:40
  I
• 23:40
  would
• 23:41
  say
• 23:41
  those
• 23:41
  two
• 23:41
  for
• 23:42
  me.
• 23:43
  Yeah,
• 23:44
  yeah.
• 23:44
  As
• 23:44
  of
• 23:44
  now,
• 23:45
  I
• 23:45
  would
• 23:45
  say
• 23:45
  those
• 23:45
  two.
• 23:46
  Okay.
• 23:46
  What,
• 23:47
  what
• 23:47
  would
• 23:47
  you
• 23:48
  say
• 23:48
  are
• 23:48
  some
• 23:48
  of
• 23:48
  your
• 23:48
  pet
• 23:49
  peeves
• 23:49
  working
• 23:50
  with
• 23:50
  artists?
• 23:51
  Like,
• 23:51
  you've
• 23:51
  worked
• 23:51
  with
• 23:51
  the
• 23:52
  creme
• 23:52
  de
• 23:52
  la
• 23:52
  creme,
• 23:53
  and
• 23:53
  I'm
• 23:53
  sure
• 23:54
  some
• 23:54
  of
• 23:54
  them
• 23:54
  have
• 23:55
  been
• 23:55
  wonderful
• 23:55
  to
• 23:56
  work
• 23:56
  with
• 23:56
  and
• 23:56
  some
• 23:56
  of
• 23:56
  them
• 23:56
  are
• 23:57
  tougher,
• 23:57
  but
• 23:57
  then
• 23:57
  there's,
• 23:58
  you
• 23:58
  know,
• 23:58
  people
• 23:59
  that
• 23:59
  aren't
• 23:59
  so
• 24:00
  established
• 24:00
  in
• 24:00
  their
• 24:01
  career
• 24:01
  that
• 24:01
  feel
• 24:02
  or
• 24:02
  have
• 24:02
  the
• 24:02
  attitude
• 24:03
  of
• 24:03
  the
• 24:03
  creme
• 24:03
  de
• 24:03
  la
• 24:04
  creme?
• 24:04
  What
• 24:04
  are
• 24:05
  some
• 24:05
  of,
• 24:05
  what
• 24:06
  are
• 24:06
  some
• 24:06
  of
• 24:06
  your
• 24:06
  pet
• 24:07
  peeves
• 24:07
  or
• 24:07
  your
• 24:07
  advice
• 24:08
  to,
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  know,
• 24:09
  artists
• 24:09
  that
• 24:09
  are
• 24:09
  kind
• 24:10
  of
• 24:10
  just
• 24:10
  getting
• 24:10
  into
• 24:11
  working
• 24:12
  with
• 24:12
  other
• 24:12
  people
• 24:13
  in
• 24:13
  their
• 24:13
  music?
• 24:15
  Well,
• 24:15
  what
• 24:15
  you
• 24:15
  just
• 24:16
  said,
• 24:16
  it's
• 24:16
  like
• 24:16
  you
• 24:16
  ain't
• 24:17
  even
• 24:17
  put
• 24:17
  in
• 24:17
  no
• 24:17
  work
• 24:18
  yet.
• 24:18
  Right.
• 24:18
  I'm
• 24:19
  supposed
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  try
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  treat
• 24:20
  you
• 24:20
  like
• 24:20
  you
• 24:21
  got
• 24:21
  plaques
• 24:22
  on
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  wall?
• 24:22
  Stop.
• 24:23
  Relax.
• 24:24
  Yeah.
• 24:25
  You
• 24:25
  know,
• 24:25
  if
• 24:26
  I'm
• 24:26
  a
• 24:27
  Grammy
• 24:27
  Award
• 24:28
  winning
• 24:28
  producer
• 24:28
  and
• 24:28
  I
• 24:29
  can
• 24:29
  walk
• 24:29
  into
• 24:29
  the
• 24:29
  studio
• 24:30
  and
• 24:30
  be
• 24:30
  humble
• 24:30
  right
• 24:31
  enough
• 24:31
  to
• 24:32
  learn
• 24:32
  from
• 24:33
  even
• 24:33
  an
• 24:33
  unsigned
• 24:34
  artist.
• 24:35
  You
• 24:35
  should
• 24:35
  be
• 24:35
  doing
• 24:36
  this.
• 24:36
  Yeah,
• 24:36
  Much,
• 24:37
  much,
• 24:37
  much
• 24:37
  more
• 24:39
  like
• 24:40
  relax.
• 24:41
  Yeah,
• 24:42
  yeah,
• 24:42
  yeah.
• 24:43
  You
• 24:43
  know
• 24:43
  what,
• 24:44
  what
• 24:44
  bothers
• 24:44
  me
• 24:45
  about
• 24:45
  a
• 24:46
  lot
• 24:46
  of
• 24:46
  people
• 24:46
  nowadays
• 24:47
  is
• 24:47
  that
• 24:48
  they
• 24:48
  want
• 24:49
  the
• 24:49
  spoils
• 24:51
  without
• 24:51
  the
• 24:51
  fame,
• 24:52
  without
• 24:52
  the
• 24:53
  work
• 24:53
  and
• 24:53
  the
• 24:53
  hustle.
• 24:54
  Yeah,
• 24:54
  man.
• 24:54
  And
• 24:55
  that's
• 24:55
  like
• 24:56
  my,
• 24:56
  my
• 24:56
  first
• 24:57
  thing
• 24:57
  whenever
• 24:57
  I
• 24:58
  work
• 24:58
  with
• 24:58
  an
• 24:58
  artist
• 24:58
  or
• 24:58
  a
• 24:59
  new
• 24:59
  artist,
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  they
• 24:59
  want,
• 24:59
  like,
• 25:00
  please,
• 25:00
  please,
• 25:00
  let's
• 25:00
  work
• 25:00
  together.
• 25:01
  Yeah.
• 25:01
  I
• 25:02
  like,
• 25:02
  what's
• 25:02
  your
• 25:02
  track
• 25:02
  record?
• 25:03
  Like,
• 25:03
  what
• 25:03
  have
• 25:04
  you
• 25:04
  done
• 25:04
  without
• 25:05
  anybody?
• 25:06
  Because
• 25:06
  I
• 25:07
  could
• 25:07
  tell
• 25:07
  you
• 25:07
  what
• 25:07
  I
• 25:07
  did
• 25:08
  before
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  got
• 25:09
  into
• 25:09
  Black
• 25:09
  Eyed
• 25:10
  Peas.
• 25:10
  I
• 25:10
  did
• 25:10
  a
• 25:10
  lot
• 25:10
  of
• 25:10
  stuff.
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  produced
• 25:11
  a
• 25:11
  gospel
• 25:12
  album.
• 25:13
  I
• 25:13
  used
• 25:14
  to
• 25:14
  travel
• 25:14
  all
• 25:14
  around
• 25:15
  New
• 25:15
  England
• 25:15
  playing
• 25:16
  gigs
• 25:16
  and
• 25:16
  all
• 25:16
  that
• 25:17
  stuff.
• 25:17
  So
• 25:17
  I
• 25:17
  put
• 25:17
  in
• 25:18
  work,
• 25:18
  you
• 25:18
  know.
• 25:19
  Yeah.