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The Late Debate | 22 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome wait wait, good evening and thanks for
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  Speaker 1: joining us on the Late Debate James MacPerson with Caleb Bond,
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  Speaker 1: and we're welcoming back tonight. She's been away on holidays to.
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  Speaker 2: George, Hello, good to nice to be back. I had
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  Speaker 2: a little break, went to Perth, went to the West Coast,
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  Speaker 2: the wild West as we call it, or maybe I
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  Speaker 2: just call it that, and it was nice. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: back with you two gentlemen. So you know where else
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  Speaker 2: would I rather be?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, did you missus? No, no,
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  Speaker 3: don't of course I really missed you, Daneaka. And in the.
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  Speaker 2: Lead up, let me just say this, in the lead
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  Speaker 2: up to this show tonight, I asked these two buggers,
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  Speaker 2: did you miss me? And the resounding answer was absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: You are so brilliant. It's our job to try and
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  Speaker 1: keep you grounded and humbled. I think we do a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good job.
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  Speaker 3: Color I think we do. It's part of our contracts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah right, no choice in the.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, thanks to you buggers. And we also can
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  Speaker 2: I just say, celebrated Taylor Bond's birthday tonight, Happy birthday
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  Speaker 2: for last week.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much. We had a nice
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  Speaker 3: cake that was put together by makeup lady Joe, who
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  Speaker 3: does a great job. And gee, she makes a good cake,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't she.
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  Speaker 1: It was I'm going to make a birthday next week.
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  Speaker 1: It was really good. Should we get into the show?
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  Speaker 1: I think we should appreciate it all right, here's what's
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  Speaker 1: coming up tonight. New polling has one nation on track
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  Speaker 1: to win more than sixty seats at the next federal election.
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  Speaker 1: It's enough to become the official opposition, but not enough
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  Speaker 1: to top a labor at least not yet. Should the
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  Speaker 1: AFL punish a player for giving the middle finger to
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  Speaker 1: the crowd at the weekend? Or is flipping the bird
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  Speaker 1: all just part and parcel of football theater these days?
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  Speaker 1: And US restaurant so trying and work out what to
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  Speaker 1: do out foreigners who don't tip weight staff? Is it
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  Speaker 1: rude not to tip when in the USA? And what
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  Speaker 1: about here in Australia. We get to all of that shortly,
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  Speaker 1: but first, of course, the big news. The UK is
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  Speaker 1: looking to appoint its seventh prime minister in ten years,
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  Speaker 1: after labor leaders Kios Starmer announced his resignation earlier this evening.
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  Speaker 1: The man who was elected less than two years ago
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  Speaker 1: with a massive one hundred and seventy four seat majority.
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  Speaker 1: Addressed the media outside Number ten just a couple of
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  Speaker 1: hours ago.
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  Speaker 4: I will resign as leader of the Labor Party. I
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  Speaker 4: have spoken to His Majesty the King this morning to
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  Speaker 4: inform him of my decision. They will inherit to Britain
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  Speaker 4: that is far stronger and fairer than the wine I
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  Speaker 4: inherited two years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're going to go live to London to talk
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  Speaker 1: to gb News host Alex Armstrong in a moment. But first,
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  Speaker 1: calib Mondnika surprised by Kirstarma's resignation.
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  Speaker 3: Are not really I think probably his days were numbered
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  Speaker 3: after Andy Burnham won the Makefield by election on Friday
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  Speaker 3: our time. Surprised is not the right word, but disappointed,
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  Speaker 3: to be perfectly frank, because I don't think there is
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  Speaker 3: anything good that comes from the revolving door of the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister's office. You'd thought they might have gathered that
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  Speaker 3: from what into the last Tory government in the United Kingdom.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, that party is now completely put basically and
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  Speaker 3: has seated all its ground to reform Nigel Farage's party,
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  Speaker 3: and now Labor is going to have a go at
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  Speaker 3: doing exactly the same thing, which is, well, we think
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  Speaker 3: this PM is maybe not doing so well in the posse.
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  Speaker 3: Let's give another guy go and see if it does anything.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you a little hint. Generally it doesn't do anything.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we've tried it here as well in Australia,
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  Speaker 3: with varying levels of success. You know, the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 3: dump Tony Abbott for Malcolm Turnbull and then he managed
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  Speaker 3: to lose about sixteen seats after that and held on
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  Speaker 3: by Justice Liver. Then they changed him for Scott Morrison.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, Scott Morrison only held on by a sliver.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure there is a great deal to be
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  Speaker 3: gained from changing prime ministers all the time. When a
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  Speaker 3: prime minister is democratically elected, they ought to have the
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  Speaker 3: clear area to serve for that term and that the
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  Speaker 3: let the public god have their say. And it's fundamentally
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  Speaker 3: robbing the people of that opportunity by saying, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, let's go in and do something else. I
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  Speaker 3: just don't think it's right.
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  Speaker 2: I do agree with that, I mean, it went terribly
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  Speaker 2: here in Australia. But let's be honest, the UK has
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  Speaker 2: been completely deprived of leadership under Kyo Starmer, because Keir
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  Speaker 2: Starmer was always putting himself and he's warped interests first
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  Speaker 2: ahead of all of Britain. I mean his speech tonight,
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  Speaker 2: for goodness say, the guy's got no personality to start with.
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  Speaker 2: He is literally a wet rag. But when he started speaking,
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  Speaker 2: one of the early comments he made was what he's
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  Speaker 2: done for anti Semitism, and I thought, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: He's on one already. He doesn't get it. He's got
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  Speaker 2: no self awareness, never had, never has, and I think
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  Speaker 2: particularly in the last few months, it's come through in particular,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I mean he's tried to take credit, for example,
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  Speaker 2: when it came to Iran, he was always trying upstage
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Yet has been a terrible, terrible ally. He
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  Speaker 2: is obsessed clearly with mass migration and that's one of
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  Speaker 2: the key issue. Well, I think it's probably the key
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  Speaker 2: issue over in the UK, and like Australia, energy, energy
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  Speaker 2: is a big one over there in the UK, and
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  Speaker 2: he did not get a handle on it. So I
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  Speaker 2: do agree with you there, Caleb. But yeah, sure, okay.
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  Speaker 2: The only people that do lose out here are the
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  Speaker 2: British public because they're the ones who should be be
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  Speaker 2: able to democratically elect someone. But gee, the guy had
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  Speaker 2: to go. He had to go. I don't think there
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  Speaker 2: was any other choice.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's go live to London where Alex
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  Speaker 1: Armstrong from gb News is waiting for us. Alex, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll get into all the personalities in
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  Speaker 1: a moment. But could you just explain to us the
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister has resigned, but he's not leaving office immediately.
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  Speaker 1: What's the process over the next number of weeks or
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  Speaker 1: even months.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Unfortunately for British people, he is going to be
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  Speaker 5: sticking around for just a few more months, when they've
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  Speaker 5: been saying he's going to go for a long time.
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  Speaker 5: But he has of course officially announced a timetable to
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  Speaker 5: leave off this now. The reason why there's a timetable
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  Speaker 5: is because Andy Burnham, the man who is most likely
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  Speaker 5: going to be his success So I don't think there's
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  Speaker 5: going to be a labor leadership contest at this point. Well,
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  Speaker 5: he's not even an MP yet. In fact, he's not
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  Speaker 5: going to be an MP for another hour and a
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  Speaker 5: half until he's officially sworn in. And at that point
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  Speaker 5: Andy Burnham the will then need to form alliances, which
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  Speaker 5: we are seeing happening this afternoon. He's going to form alliances,
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  Speaker 5: then he's going to try and put together a manifesto.
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  Speaker 5: So there's a lot that needs to happen in order
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  Speaker 5: for this to of course lead to a new prime minister,
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  Speaker 5: including whether or not some labor contender is going to
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  Speaker 5: throw their hat in the ring and declare a labor
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  Speaker 5: leadership contest. I don't think that's going to happen. We
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  Speaker 5: could actually see Andy Burnham in number ten within three weeks.
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  Speaker 5: At this point, however, both Burnham and Key Starmer have
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  Speaker 5: sort of said, or have been rumored to have said,
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  Speaker 5: that they don't want a quick transition. They want a
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  Speaker 5: lengthy transition. One so Keys Starmer can keep on destroying
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  Speaker 5: the country and I'm joking, so he can keep on
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  Speaker 5: putting his legacy policies in for a few more months,
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  Speaker 5: but also for Andy Burnham to be ready because nobody
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  Speaker 5: knows what this man stands for.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was what I was going to ask you about, Alex,
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  Speaker 2: because all we know really about Andy Burnham is that
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  Speaker 2: he was the mayor of Greater Manchester. And my question
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  Speaker 2: would be, how do you go from being the mayor
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  Speaker 2: of Greater Manchester to suddenly the Prime minister where you
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  Speaker 2: don't have a lot of credentials really other than sure
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  Speaker 2: in maybe a local council, but you've got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of responsibilities to take on. What sort of a leader
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  Speaker 2: do you think he will be?
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  Speaker 5: This is such a good question. Nobody knows, and this
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  Speaker 5: is the thing that's concerning every British person. We're about
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  Speaker 5: to have a prime minister who is totally untested. He's
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  Speaker 5: never even held high office in Britain before, so we
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  Speaker 5: were just not sure what an Andy Burnham premiership actually
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  Speaker 5: means for Britain. But of course he's been quite successful
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  Speaker 5: in Manchester, he has been returned as mayor several times,
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  Speaker 5: but it is labor heartland, so again no surprises there.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, extracting what he's calls Manchesterism on a
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  Speaker 5: national scale, well, I think he's going to find that
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  Speaker 5: really really difficult, particularly when the country is in such
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  Speaker 5: dire straits. Let's not forget Keir Starmer's leaving office with
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  Speaker 5: record high illegal migrants entering under his premiership, an economy
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  Speaker 5: that's stagnating, a constant drive for his party to go
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  Speaker 5: leftwood I mean, I could go on, I could list
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  Speaker 5: the u turns and the mistakes that he's made, but
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  Speaker 5: we just don't know at this point in time, and
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  Speaker 5: he's going to have to appoint some figures that are
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  Speaker 5: going to appease the markets, who particularly appease the right
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  Speaker 5: of his party, who are increasingly worried it looks like
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  Speaker 5: the Tory Party in their dying years all over again.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think, Alex, is the likelihood that switching
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  Speaker 3: prime minister actually makes any improvement to the Labor Party's polls,
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  Speaker 3: Because I think every published poll since April or May
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  Speaker 3: last year has had Reform in the lead. So yes,
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  Speaker 3: we know that Labor is in betrouble and Sir Kia
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  Speaker 3: has been a major part of that. But does the
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  Speaker 3: agenda of the Labor Party change? Does the polling change
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  Speaker 3: simply because you have change the man?
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  Speaker 1: Good question.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we have seen some internal polling by some polsters
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  Speaker 5: that suggests that with Andy Burnham as Prime Minister, the
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  Speaker 5: Labor get up to neck and neck with Reform UK.
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  Speaker 5: That's going to send shivers down the spine of the
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  Speaker 5: right in British politics, who are starting to fracture quite
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  Speaker 5: severely now while they're rising in power. They're also starting
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  Speaker 5: to fight amongst themselves. So we're seeing a brand new
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  Speaker 5: party called Restore Britain which is eating and particularly targeting
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  Speaker 5: Nigel Faraja's Reform UK and of course Kevy Badenock's Conservative Party.
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  Speaker 5: So while the right of fighting labor is starting to
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  Speaker 5: unite the left underneath them, particularly as Andy Burnham is
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  Speaker 5: a more left leaning character than Keirs Starmer, he might
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  Speaker 5: see off the Green Party, you know, the sort of Islamistic,
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  Speaker 5: sort of environmental, wacky woke party on the far left. Well,
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  Speaker 5: he might see them off because they do unite really
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  Speaker 5: well the left. We do know that. I think that
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  Speaker 5: might be the same case in Australia too, But this
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  Speaker 5: is the reality. The right have now got to decide
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  Speaker 5: do we unite or do we allow perhaps a SnO
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  Speaker 5: election under Andy Burnham, which I think is coming really soon.
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  Speaker 5: I think in the next six to eight months we
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  Speaker 5: will have a general election in Britain. Because Andy Burnham's
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  Speaker 5: only been elected by zero point not three percent of
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  Speaker 5: the British public. That's the Makeafield population. That is not
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  Speaker 5: a mandate to govern, and he wasn't even elected under
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  Speaker 5: the same agenda he wants to rip up the Labor
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  Speaker 5: Government's agenda. He trashed it during his campaign. He trashed
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  Speaker 5: k Is Starmer during his campaign. So he's not standing
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  Speaker 5: on the platform that the public sent the Labor Government
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  Speaker 5: into that calls for a general election.
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  Speaker 1: If you ask me, Alex, we watched Sakir Starmer standing
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  Speaker 1: outside Number ten. We're all waiting for him to announce
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  Speaker 1: his resignation, but he took forever because he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: frame his period as prime minister. How do you think
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  Speaker 1: he'll be remembered.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good question. I mean, you know, he went
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  Speaker 5: in the same way he went out in the knee
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  Speaker 5: waffling and boring us all to death before he actually
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  Speaker 5: got to some substance. Unfortunately, Yeah, he's going to be
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  Speaker 5: remembered as the most unpopular prime minister on recorded British history.
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  Speaker 5: That is literally a fact. He can't escape from that. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 5: he's going to be remembered for the prime minister who
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  Speaker 5: almost did a U turn on major policy for every
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  Speaker 5: single month he was in office. In fact, his last
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  Speaker 5: U turn was to say he was going to fight
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  Speaker 5: this Labor leadership contest and then on Monday he changed
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  Speaker 5: his mind. The man is going to go down as
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  Speaker 5: a man who could not make his mind up about anything,
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  Speaker 5: had no agenda despite being in opposition for god knows
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  Speaker 5: how many years, and still had no plan for the country.
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  Speaker 5: And he's going to be remembered for a man most
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  Speaker 5: importantly for his two tier rhetoric and his two tier
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  Speaker 5: divisiveness that I think has actually fractured the nation even
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  Speaker 5: more than it ever has done before. And I could
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  Speaker 5: go on all day, James.
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  Speaker 2: Trust me, Yeah, I agree with you Alex that it's
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  Speaker 2: like a boring bank teller personality. When he started his spage,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, goodness me. And what's actually been the reaction
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  Speaker 2: over in the UK to his resignation because it seems
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  Speaker 2: as though it has been a long time coming. It's
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  Speaker 2: like he has been a dead men walking. But how
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  Speaker 2: has it gone down with the public.
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  Speaker 5: There's a famous meme I don't know if you've seen
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  Speaker 5: it on the internet at the bar and there's a
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  Speaker 5: green screen. Normally you see that everyone cheering when there's
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  Speaker 5: a moment as a football game. That is what has
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  Speaker 5: happened here in Britain today. Every single person. I haven't
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  Speaker 5: seen a single tear shed by anyone but the Prime
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  Speaker 5: Minister at this point, and maybe he's upset that he's
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  Speaker 5: going out on such a low point, frankly, but the
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  Speaker 5: country is relieved that nobody liked him. His own party
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  Speaker 5: didn't like him, the rights really didn't like him, and
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  Speaker 5: even his own MPs didn't like him. There is no
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  Speaker 5: love lost for Keir Starmer. However, there is now a
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  Speaker 5: bit of a fearful mood because we don't know what
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  Speaker 5: this means for Britain. As you rightfully said in the intro,
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  Speaker 5: there is we are on seven prime ministers in ten years.
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  Speaker 5: We're turning into a banana republic. At this rate, Italy
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  Speaker 5: had less prime ministers than us.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we are.
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  Speaker 5: Becoming a joke. We're becoming a joke country. That's the reality.
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  Speaker 5: So we do need to see some stability. The markets
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  Speaker 5: are really responding badly to Andy Burnhe we said we
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  Speaker 5: should forget about them once upon a time. So it's
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  Speaker 5: now all to play for for the Labor Party. But
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  Speaker 5: I suspect what people are going to start demanding very
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  Speaker 5: soon is a general election, and I think that's what
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  Speaker 5: everyone is now anticipating them. Despeating comes next.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and this is the thing, right alex I whan
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  Speaker 3: you say what comes next for Britain. Sure, people were
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  Speaker 3: unhappy with Sir Quilla, and as you said before, polling
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  Speaker 3: shows that this would put Labor nick and Nick with reform.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it's an element of abs anyone but Starmer,
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  Speaker 3: and that's all good and well to say, okay, well
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  Speaker 3: we've got someone other than Starmer who's the Prime minister now.
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  Speaker 3: But as you note, he is from the left of
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  Speaker 3: the party, whereas Sirkira is from the right of the party.
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  Speaker 3: So the Labor Party potentially going down an even further
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  Speaker 3: left wing agender doesn't necessarily guarantee that once everyone's realized
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  Speaker 3: that there's someone else new in the job and it's
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  Speaker 3: not Soukia, once they see what's actually going on, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't guarantee any improvement to Labour's position at all.
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  Speaker 5: It certainly doesn't now. Look, I think Andy Burnham's going
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  Speaker 5: to get a honeymoon period bounce when he becomes Prime minister.
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  Speaker 5: That seems to be quite traditional in British politics. Gordon
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  Speaker 5: Brown back in the day had a similar moment. He
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  Speaker 5: chose not to go to the public at that time
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  Speaker 5: and that's a big mistake he made. But the reality
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  Speaker 5: is the country is in such dire straits. The medicine
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  Speaker 5: needed to fix Britain requires a very tough leader, somebody
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  Speaker 5: who commands the mandate of a massive majority in the
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  Speaker 5: House of Commons. Andy Burnham won't have the mandate from
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  Speaker 5: the people that are sat behind him in the House
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  Speaker 5: of Commons. He's been shipped in, so he's going to
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  Speaker 5: have to tackle illegal migration, an economy that is flatlining
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  Speaker 5: on its knees in Britain, unemployment rising. I mean I
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  Speaker 5: could go on forever about the crises in Britain. I
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  Speaker 5: come on you on Sky News Australia and tell you
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  Speaker 5: guys almost every week what's going on here. We've got
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  Speaker 5: the far left constantly, we got we've seen rising terror
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  Speaker 5: attacks and threats in Britain, a divided country culturally, mass
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  Speaker 5: migration not just illegal but legal as well. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: too years to saw all of that out from a
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  Speaker 5: man who hasn't got on a mandate. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: he's got very long to prove the bred to the
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  Speaker 5: British public. He's not Kiirs Starmer. He's just not Kiirstarmer.
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  Speaker 5: Wear a T shirt this time, because this bloke doesn't
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  Speaker 5: even like wearing a suit and tie apparently, So I
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  Speaker 5: don't know. I think that that's the toad from where
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  Speaker 5: we're headed. I think we're in really dire streets.
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  Speaker 1: Alex Armstrong, it's always great to speak with you, and
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  Speaker 1: you always make us feel a lot better about Australian politics.
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  Speaker 5: So get me a visa. I need to claim some
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  Speaker 5: sort of asylum. Maybe I'll get a small boat over
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  Speaker 5: to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: We're trying to cut down on migrants. But thanks for
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  Speaker 1: joining us. We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be six months in a leaky boat, yeah, Astralia.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking tonight when I was listening
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  Speaker 1: to Keir Starmer's resignation speech and he made a point
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  Speaker 1: of mentioning his social media band. Made me wonder, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: did he push that through knowing his time was very
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  Speaker 1: short and he wanted something that he could hang his
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  Speaker 1: hat on and say you know I did that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and feel good about himself and have something for his reason.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: He wanted that policy for his own legacy, and that
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: is what Anthony Alberzi has done when you think about it,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: because actually before we came on air tonight, I saw
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: that Anthony Alberesi did put out a statement and he
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: posted to Twitter along the lines of it's been great
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: working with Ukia Stama, especially on our social media. Bad
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: so the fact that that Anthony Albernesi even mentioned it
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: as well. Of course they both push this as their
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: big legacy. They're not willing to tackle the big issues,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: the issues that every day Brits or every day Australians
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: care about. This is the policy where they can go.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I was the first in the world, or I was
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: the first in Australia to do so, signed, sealed, and
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: delivered and moved on. So I absolutely agree with that. Definitely.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I suspect the people of Britain will be in for
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: a rude shock when they see what Burnham actually gets
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: up to. Yeah, you know, I think I understand that
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: the Sekire is unpopular and people want to get rid
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: of him, But I'm not sure that having an even
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: more left wing leader at the moment is the answer
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: to the problems that the Labor Party faces, because how
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: is someone of the left of the party meant to
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: prosecute all of these big issues that have been so
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: perilous for the Starma government, like illegal mass migration, etc.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: And there are going to be big fights within the
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Labor Party in the UK, and I don't think they
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: are over yet, and of course we see elements of
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: this in our own political landscape. At the moment. The
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: rise of One Nation is unstoppable, it would seem every
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: single poll now that comes out just further solidifies the
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: fact that One Nation is not only the most popular
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: party in the country, but that it is a serious
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: political force in this country. The latest poll that has
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: come out overnight is from Demos. They've now got One Nation,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: as you can see there, with thirty percent of the
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: primary vote, Labor on twenty seven percent, the coal is
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: on eighteen which is down five points, not good news
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: for the coalition, and the Greens are basically stagnant on
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: thirteen percent. But what's really interesting, of course, is what
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: this might mean in terms of the makeup of a parliament.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: And they've extrapolated out this data Demos and found that
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: One Nation, if they were to go to an election today,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: could win between fifty four and sixty three lower House seats,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: which would of course make them the official opposition. If
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: there were not to be some sort of coalition in
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: a minority government formed, the coalition would be down to
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: between four and eleven seats, which is kind of like
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: what it's like in South Australia these days. I mean,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: that's a pretty catastrophic result for them, and Labour would
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: be between seventy one and eighty one seats, so that
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: is not a guarantee of government for the Labor Party.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: They would have to be basically smack bang in the
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: middle of that in order to form a government. Of course,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the government is seventy six seats. So I mean, you
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: look at all of this. If this is replicated potentially
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: late next year, if they go to an early election
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: or failing that, March the sorry March May the following year.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Most likely, if they stick to the three years, you
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: would have either a one nation opposition to a Labor
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: government with a very small majority, or I suppose the
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: other situation is do you end up with some kind
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: of coalition government that one nation forms with either what
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: is currently the coalition or a number of independents. You know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: the makeup of the parliament would be exceedingly different.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: So what does the coalition do. I mean, we can
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: all now say this is not just a bubble, it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: not just a protest vote. There has been a distinct
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and decisive change in the electorate. The coalition are completely
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: on the nose. They thought bringing in Angus Taylor would
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: change everything. He hasn't made any inroads at all. So
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: two questions for you, Denika. One, when do they start
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: looking at the leadership of Angus Taylor and say this
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: is not working, we need to change jockeys. Or two,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: when do the coalition seriously start saying no more attacking
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: one nation, in fact, we need to get closer to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: one nation, start talking about working together as a coalition
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: now rather than just trying to cobble together the pieces
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: after the election.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Well, in answer to question one, they don't change leaders
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: now until after an election because realistically, who else are
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: they going to put in there? And you wouldn't want
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: to change leaders again because it would absolutely bamboos or
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the public even more given.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: That they sorry, you lose steam.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You lose steam because the focus, well they don't have
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of the focus turns back on them once
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: again as it has since since the last election. And two,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I would start looking at a coalition to fall between
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: One Nation and the Liberal Party Now. Now would be
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the time to start doing it, because based on these results,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the coalition is frankly dead in the water. To be honest,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you claw back many that much
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: between now and an election. It is clear that Angus
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Taylor is not cutting through to the public. Okay, fine,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: he's only had this role for since what January was it? February? February? Fine,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: but by now you would hope to see that there
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: would be some sort of traction. He's not cutting through.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: People are looking for conviction and strength in politicians. They're
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: not getting that from the Liberal Party. They are getting
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: that from one nation. The reason is is that Pauline
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Hanson is speaking to voters as they speak to their
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: family and their friends. They're having the conversations around the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: dinner table. I'm worried about mass migration, I'm worried about energy.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: We are going broken backwards in this country. And she
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: speaks on a very relatable level. And I actually think
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that's got to do with her real world experience, from
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: being a business owner herself, from being you know, the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: chip and the fish and chip shop woman. She raised
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: a child, she was a single parent. She gets it,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: and that is different because voters go, oh, you know what,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I relate to her especially the word class.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Can I give you a counter argument to that, right,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: because Angus Taylor has been lately saying he's less experienced
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: in politics than both Anthony Alberanezi and Pauline Hanson in
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the sense he's been in Parliament the shortest amount of time,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: so he's claiming more real world experience than even Pauline Hanson.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: He too has raised a family, et cetera, so he's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: got all of that going for him. But you're saying
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: people still see a politician, yes, rather than someone who's
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: genuinely hearing, feeling and understanding the mood of the nation.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, because there's almost a roboticness to him. And I'm
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: not saying because I actually think he's a great politician,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: and I do think that he is a really, really
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: good speaker. But he's not speaking with you. He's not
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: speaking your language. He's speaking at you, and it's very
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: talking points. Here is our talking points dot dot dot.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I mean today he came out, for example, and he said, oh,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: it was along the lines of you know, Pauline Hanson
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: needs to explain why she wants to divide people by
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the color of their skin. That's not what Hauleene Hansen
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: said when she addressed national press clubs. So they're completely
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: blowing it up into something that they're not. Instead of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: working with one nation, they're attacking one nation, and it
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: just puts voters off, and clearly that's been received in
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the polling.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: So I agree with you on the point about them
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: attacking one nation doesn't work. But this is why there
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: should not be a formal agreement, certainly at this point
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: in time between the coalition and one nation. From the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: coalition's perspective, I understand why they might want to do it,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: but I would warn the coalition that if they were
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to do such a thing, it puts them very much
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: on the back foot, and it says that we are
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: the minority operator here. We can see the writing on
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the wall that we're stuffed, and so basically we want
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: to come and hitch ourselves to your wagon because your
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: wagon is more powerful than ours and it's the only
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: way that we can hang on to any power. I
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: think that makes them look really weak and it gives
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: one nation all the power. So I would warn them
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: about doing that, And from one nation's perspective, i'd say,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: if your wagon's got all the power. Why the hell
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: would you want to hitch the coalition onto you just now?
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: You can?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: You can?
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: They should both be open about the fact that if
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: there were a situation in which a potential minority government
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: could be formed, we would be open to be negotiating
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: with anyone in order to form a minority government. But
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I think one nation would want to be very careful
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: about looking like it had cozied up to the coalition
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: at this point in time, because fundamentally, people are going
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: to one nation because they don't like the coalition, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: if one nation starts getting too close to the coalition,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: they run the risk of looking like they're the coalition
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: in another form. If we're in a team with the
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: mob that you've just left to come to us, why
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: the hell have I.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Joined your cal My question to you would be, how
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: then does the coalition claw it back? How do you
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: claw it back?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not it's not my problem how they claw it,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: But how do.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: You do it by yourself? Okay, I do, I do
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: know that they look weak, But then how do you
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: claw back support? Because according to the polls, this is
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: not just the only one. We've seen poles multiple multiple
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: that the coalition's going backwards and one Nation is rising.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: So how do you, as the Coalition, claw back then
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and not go ahead and form an alliance with.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: The Only way to claw it back is to present
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: a credible alternative to one Nation and to effectively be
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: what people see in one nation. But that's very hard
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: for the Coalition to do. I don't think there is
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: a circumstance in which the Coalition gets back to where
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: it was. It has to, at least for a while,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: suck up the fact that one nation is doing better
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: than them and will continue to do better than them
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: because people are sick of the status quo and they
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: want something different. And that would be the problem for
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: One Nation is that if they start looking like they're
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: in a deal with the Coalition, then well what's the point?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: And you've got to consider that. Of course, people have
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: come across from the Labor Party to One Nation as well,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: like it is now a serious party. That would what's
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: the coalition got forty odd seats in the Parliament at
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the moment. We're talking about one Nation when upwards of
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: sixty and the Coalition winning up to eleven, so we're
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: talking about a big change in Labor voters as well.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: And so if you start having them looking and going, oh, well,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just a water down. I don't think
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: there's a lot to be gained informal deals. You deal
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: with all of this after an election when a government
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: could potentially be formed.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the arjibarji that they keep throwing at one nation,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it's not working. It's clearly going in the opposite direction. Now,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: speaking of arji barji, there's always some, of course in
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: every sporting match. But over the weekend, the Saint Kilda
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: player is a two million dollar man by the name
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of Nasaiah Wanganeen Malarra. He flipped the bird. He gave
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: members of the Western Bulldogs cheer squad the middle finger
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: after they were heckling him during Saint Kilda's twenty two
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: point loss at Marvel Stadium. Now the Saints, So the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Saints did lose that game by twenty two points. But
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the question now is should be fined or should he
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: be sanctioned for indeed flipping the bird. Now, previously players
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that have done that, they've been fined up to fifteen
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Geelong superstar Jimmy Bartel gave his opinion today.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: This is what he said.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Do you think the AFL's going to sanction him for
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: flipping the bird off to the fans?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Nah?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I hope not it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: Look it's not a look we want. But I don't
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: think too many people should be offended by flipping the bird. Look,
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: he copt the affair. Godful from the crowd, he responded.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: But he played a magnificent game as well. Here's the
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: big reason why the Saints were still in the running
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: against the Bulldog.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: There we go, the censored vision. We just played you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: on your screens.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Look, firstly, it is a really bad look in my view. Okay, yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: you know what, who cares? You're being heckled?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Grow up like that's just part of the game. It's
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: part of the match. Cop it on the chin, keep
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: playing and focus on your playing. Secondly, if that is
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: what actually offends you on a football field, you've got
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it pretty good because every time you go to the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: foot you always hear the fans shouting abuse constantly. But
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: in terms of a sanction, look, I think a fine
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: would be sufficient because they'll teach him a lesson. This
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: guy has paid two million dollars a year. He is
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: literally the first in the AFL to be paid that
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: sort of an amount. You cop it on the chin, right,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you don't act that way when you're on such a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: big contract. You don't do it anyway. I think a
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: fine would be sufficient. I don't think a suspension is warranted.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like he assaulted somebody. He injured somebody on
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the field. Cop it on the chin, Take the fine.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: He won't do it again. Learn your lesson.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I reckon he should be suspended for a week.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Spend it?
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Really? Why?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: All right? So think about what other offenses get what
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: sort of punishment. So if you use a homophobic slur
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: on the field to no one in particular, but someone
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: who wasn't even directed to report, maybe no one else
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: heard it, but someone hears it, overhears it, reports it
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to the umpire, you're up for five to six weeks
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: out of the game. Ridiculous. Or what about this, If
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you're in the crowd and you make a racial slur,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you're banned for life from the MCG or from Marvel
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Stadium or wherever. Now I'm not saying those penalties are wrong.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I'm simply saying, then, compare that with a player flips
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the bird to a member of the crowd, and maybe
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: he'll get a fifteen hundred dollar fine, which isn't even
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a slap on the wrist for a two million dollar
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a year player. The problem with this is if they
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: turn a blind eye to it, or if they say,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: you know, don't do it again. Do we really want
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a situation where you've got the potential for conflict between
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: players on the field and some yobbo on the other
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: side of the fence to escalate. I don't think the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: AFL want that. And if it's good enough for people
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in the crowd to be banned for life if they
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: say or do the wrong thing, why should players get
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: off with a slap on the wrist.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're being banned for life for using
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: a racial slur, it's because you've used it in a
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: personal sense to an individual. Right giving the finger to
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: a group of people, He's not a personal insult to anyone.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: It's a bit of theater. As far as I'm concerned,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I couldn't give two hoots about the fact that he
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: flipped off some Wistern Bulldog supporters. I mean, Jack Ginovan
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: did it to my mob. The Adelaide Crows and he
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: was fined fifteen hundred dollars for it, and he said
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it was the best coin he'd ever spent. It's you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: it's seriously like, if the people in the crowd want
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: to give it, and they give it, that's footy. They
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: should be prepared to get it back every once in
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: a while. And it's not like he went down there
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: and yelled at anyone like you just a little finger.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: You've actually given me an idea. Yeah, go like, if
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: a player flips the bird to the crowd, I think
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: they all right, they're fined. But if they flip the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: bird to the Collingwood cheer squad, the player gets paid fifteen.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: That would be acceptable. Then that would be acceptable because
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: let's be honest. I mean the Collingwood, the cheer squad,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: they're quite brutal. Actually they are quite brutal. But again,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: it's footy. Come on it, it hates footy. You have
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you gotta just you're gotta.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Just tough enough, exactly, bring back the brys.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: AFL is real football as opposed to that other. They've
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: got some competition on in the United States at the moment.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's what's that? Some round ball don get a
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: lot of scoring shots, and we.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Need to stop talking about this so we'll get The
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: World Cup soccer, of course, is on in the United States,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and it's about one point five million people who've converged
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: on America from countries all around the world, and they're
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: having a great time. They're loving American culture, they're enjoying
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a fantastic tournament, and of course American food that you
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: just can never get enough of it. In fact, they
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: just keep bringing more and more of it. The problem, though,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: is people from outside of the USA don't understand American
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: tipping culture, and so restaurants are now debating whether or
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: not they should just apply an automatic twenty percent tip,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: which to me is not a tip it to surcharge,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: but just doing that automatically to all restaurant bills, because
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: there's so many people in restaurants from overseas and none
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: of them are tipping now. Interestingly enough, the New York
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Post interviewed a number of weight staff who said, you
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: know what, we're a bit disappointed because we're not getting tips. However,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: people are in such a happy mood and have been
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: so excited to be in America that we're actually really
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: enjoying being at work, so it's not like weight staff
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: we're complaining. However, we do know tips help to supplement
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the wage of American staff because they are paid low
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: accounting for tips. What do you think do you think
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it's right for them to just automatically slap it on
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: because people are not understanding the culture.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I think so, I really do. I was having a
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: look online. So the average wage of a waiter in America,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: they're paid forty nine thousand Australian dollars per year. You
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: compare that to Australia they're paid on average about eighty
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars per year. So in America, waiters do really
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: on tips to try and boost up their income by
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: about fifteen to twenty percent. So absolutely that is a
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: custom in America, as it isn't a custom in the Eurozone.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: If you go to Europe as well. Can you imagine
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the hordes of people that are going into these bars
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: and these restaurants after a match, Before a match, they're drunk,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: they're rowdy, they're having fun, and they're just butering off
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: without even just tipping. These waiters who have to serve
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: these drunken buffoons. I think that absolutely it should be
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: slapped on because the waiters would be working over time.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Great for the economy, by the way, fantastic tourism, but
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I think that waiters should be properly remunerated.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I think the one thing you were right about, James,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: is that people in America can't get enough of the food,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: because if you look at their wastelines, it would tend
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: to suggest that that is the case. But if you're
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: in another country, you just follow the rules and customs
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of that country, whatever they happen to be. Now, in America,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: they have chosen that the payment to wait staff is
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: not all reflected in the bill that you or the
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: price of the meal or the drinks that you pay
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: for upfront. You then put a little more on top
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: of that. Whereas in Australia, of course, we say, well,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: you know, tipping is not a custom and we instead
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: pay people a higher wage and that's reflected in the
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: price that's written down on the menu. That's not how
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: they do it in the United States. It may make
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: no logical sense that that's not how they do it
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: in the United States, but if you're in another country,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: you've got to follow the rules of that country. And
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I reckon it's pretty lousy to go over there or
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to any other country and not follow their custom, which
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: in this case is that you give a tip to
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: the weight staff because they're not paid the same as
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: they are back home in Australia. I think if you're
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: dudding them out of their tips, that's pretty lousy.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: What about in Australia because that colt right, I know.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what really ticks me off is when
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: you go and use an FPOs machine to pay for
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: something and it asks you if you want to add
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a tip. And even worse is when you asked for
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: a tip. If you ever there's a qrco which I
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: try not to but some places is just easier, and
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: they've asked you for a tip before you've even received anything. Yeah,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: so I haven't had any service yet and you want
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: me to pay tip. No, that's why we pay higher
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: wages in Australia, so we don't able to do tip.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Or when it feels really I actually feel really uncomfortable
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: when that happens, especially when the waiter who has been
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: woving you all nine he's done a great job. He
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: hands you the f POS machine with the tip thing
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and then you've got to stand there awkwardly and press no,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: no if you want to do five, ten, fifteen, twenty
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: percent or no. It's uncomfortable. It's actually really uncomfortable because
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: if I feel bad because I think guy's done a
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: great job, or whoever it is, done a great job,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: but I'm not going to tip him because I'm.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Already paid for a big differences. In America you tip.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: You know, people say I'm not going to tip because
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: all he did was hand me my Starbucks, but that's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: part of their wage, whereas in Australia tipping really if
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the service is good, you might tip, but you don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: feel the need to tip because if I don't tip,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: this person won't be able to pay their rent.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: That is a very obligation. And on that I have
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: tipped for really good service in cash directly to the person.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not tipping it on an FPOs machine because I
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: don't know where.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: That under the table numbers lighted on that he is
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a little text free thing for you to take and
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: have some fun.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I've got to say that the restaurants and cafes that
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I've been to, when they hand you the machine, you've
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: got to choose whether you're going to tip or not,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and the weight person always sort of moves away and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: sort of turns their back so they can't see what
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: you're doing.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, that's like some time other times, and I
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: can't give me some money.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: All right, We're going to go to a break when
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: we come back with what's making headlines tomorrow, including the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Australian revealing that anti alban easy delayed for months, the
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: appointment of an envoy on anti Semitism because he couldn't
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: find an appropriate envoy on Islamophobia. That's in the papers tomorrow,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: but we'll give you all the headlines tonight in just
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a moment. Welcome back to the program. Let's take a
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: look at what's making headlines tomorrow. And I've got to
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: say Tomorrow's Australian looks like a great front page.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Indeed it does. Of course, they have the obvious on
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: there about Sakia starmer It says my time is over,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: tearful Starma leaves Britain in even more political limbo. And
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: we'll have look at some of the other headlines about
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Seki and some of the other papers later. But the
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: splash next to it hate fat paused for PM's clause
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: and exclusive here from James Dowling saying that Anthony Alberisi
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: delayed appointing an anti Semitism Envoy because he could not
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: fill an equivalent Islamophobia role. According to one of the
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister's most influential Jewish allies in a submission to
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion, Executive
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Council of Australian Jury President Daniel Ion and I'm sorry
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: if I butchered that which I probably have, claimed that
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Islamophobia Envoy position was quote created for political reasons to
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: demonstrate even handedness as a counterweight to Jillian Ci position.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: This drew sharp response from Islamophobia Envoy Aftah Malik, who
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: warned that Muslim perspectives were cheapened when treated merely as
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: a political balancing exercise, insisting his role must be genuinely
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: valued by the government. But it goes on to say
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: in this submission he wrote, he writes, in January twenty
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: twenty four, the Federal Government responded to me to the
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: effect that they would agree to our proposal, that is
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: for an Envoy on Anti Semitism if a Islamophobia Envoy
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: were also appointed. I advised the government that was acceptable
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: provided the appointments were were not the same person, and
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: he said by Easter twenty twenty four he was told
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: there'd been no appointment. Several representatives of the government said
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: it was because it was taking longer than anticipated to
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: find a suitable candidate for the islamophobia.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Envoy seriously remind me again why we needed Actually don't,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: But if the government confused social cohesion with socialists, yes,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: because that's what this looks like. We know there's a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: problem with anti semitism. We've just had fourteen fifteen Jewish
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: people shot dead on a Bondai beach. We know we
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: need to do something about it, but we're going to
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: hold off until we do this other thing here, just
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to keep everybody happy. That's not leadership and it's not
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: social cohesion. If you've got to do stuff like that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to get social cohesion, I don't think much of your
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: social cohesion.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: But are we surprised. I mean, this has been the key,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: hasn't it. Since October seven, twenty twenty three, nobody in
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: labor could ever talk about anti semitism without mentioning Islamophobia
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: in the same breath. So this it's shocking, but it
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: comes as no surprise. It's just another example of how
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: labor has treated anti Semitism as always. Oh yeah, it's there,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: but what about Islamophobia.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: At the same time, while we're talking about the Royal Commission,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: another headline on the os SPA bosses Bondai report been
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: another exclusive, this one from Dennis Shanahan that the Anti
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Semitism Royal Commission has effectively shelved the intero, views and
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: findings of the three week independent inquiry of former spy
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: boss Dennis Richardson into the police and security agencies ahead
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: of the Bondai Beach massacre. Royal Commission of Virginia Bell's
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: inquiry did not consider the Richardson probe, which was launched
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: immediately after the terror attack and included interviews with security
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: in police heads, as evidence the Commission could use in
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: its findings. Instead, it took the work of former AZO
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: chief and leading diplomat as a guide and conducted its
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: own interviews with the same people mister Richardson interviewed, including
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: former Australian Police Commissioner Rhys Kershaw. I mean the work
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: had already been done and they've gone and interviewed all
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the same people. Why couldn't they use the work that
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: had already been done?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And didn't we pay Dennis Richardson a small fortune that
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: role that now has.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Been which have then? And then he walked away when
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the Royal Commission came along because clearly he believed that
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: his services were not wanted there.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Well, interestingly, this article makes an assertion that the report
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: will now likely be harsher on our security agencies than
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: it otherwise would have been presumed because of Dennis Richardson's
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: connection to our security agent.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that must be the case. But again,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: what's the point of being interviewed twice for the exact
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: same thing. Wouldn't it just have been more counterintuitive to
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: have everybody work together?
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I know, it seems very odd. And another story on
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: the front of the ODS three year fixed cap immigration
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: below new home builds and this actually seems like a
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: sensible policy from the Coalition says Australia's housing shortage would
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: be fixed within three years if immigration were capped at
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: below the number of homes being built. New Coalition analysis claims,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: despite labor and some economists arguing it would take the
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: nation a lot longer. Coalition analysis shows that the housing
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: supply shortage has grown to about four hundred thousand people
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: since Labour came to office. Flat lanning rates of housing
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: and migration across the past twelve months, I mean Labour's
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: housing shortage would continue to widen to five hundhundred thousand
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: people across the next three years. It's said, but you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: it kind of makes sense, doesn't it. If you bring
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: migration into line with your housing supply, maybe the housing
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: supply won't be so bad.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Go good policy from the Coalition. Let's go to the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: front page of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. More good news for
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson. The hits keep coming, Orange waves set to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: crash mcquarie Street. One Nation State, reads the headline. One
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Nation is set to end up sorry to upend state
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: politics in New South Wales at next year's election, with
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: new polling predicting the party will surge past the coalition
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to become the official opposition. That's in New South Wales.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson's juggernaut is also expected to steal votes off Labor.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: That the interesting thing I think for One Nation, I
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: mean they did very well in South Australia, they're polling
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: well in Queensland, in Victoria. Now tip to become the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: official opposition in New South Wales is to see them
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: go from so low in the polls to now dominating everywhere.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Can they hold it together and get all the stuff
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes such that they can make this last
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: long term.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: And can they field the right candidates. Yes, that is
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: part of it, because they need the right people. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I will say one thing about One Nation. Some of
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the candidates in the past haven't exactly been been the best.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: So with the right picks, I think so.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: We also note on the front of the telly, if
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: we can get it back up briefly, that they've got
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: the niche of that story about one nation. It all
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: ends in keys.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: That's a ripper. Headlines that is an absolute repper. Let's
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: take a look at the Courier Mail Award winning painting
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: exposed as a ripoff. Art of the Steel is the headline.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: One of the state's richest art awards has been rocked
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: by revelations it's winning piece is actually a direct copy
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: of an Archibald Prize winner's work, Dear Me, Lennox Head
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: based artist Jane Allen claimed her painting, titled Seaside Explorers,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: represented my self and my brother when we were children
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: and how we were allowed to spend the day exploring
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: at the beach. But the piece, which won the Doyles
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Art Award last year and was then hung outside Gold
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Coast Mayor Tom Tits office, has been exposed as a
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: direct copy of the late Nicholas Harding's twenty eleven oil
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: painting two Estuary Figures, which sold at auction in twenty
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: twenty four for sixteen thousand dollars. Goodness me, that is
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: a that is bad. That is bad.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It's a very good copy though.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Look but that's it is.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Deserves some credit award.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: It's a drip off, like you feel like you've been
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: done it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: That's terrible, unbelievable. On the front of the advertiser tomorrow,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: it says Cable guys seven billion dollar bid to revitalize regions.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Premier Peter manlanowskis is planning to allow data centers to
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: be built in the regions near renewable energy projects, which
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: would result in a six point eight billion dollar investment
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: by industry and create three hundred jobs. And I don't
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: mind the other keya headline there here one day, gone
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the next. The heaps keep on coming.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Ripper all right, and finally we've got the Herald's sun.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: It all ends in keears. They've gone with that as well.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And the other main story there deadly build up. It's
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: an exclusive story about a property developer who is linked
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: to a boxer's brazen execution. Murdered boxer and standover man,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Hussein Skinny de Honey say they say his name to
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Honey was attempting to exhort extort a Melbourne property developer
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: before he was executed at Ascott Vale on Sunday. The
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: former boxer was peppered with bullets as he walked to
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: his car before the triggerman chased and shot him again.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: He died on the way to hospital as his killers
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: sped away. So there you go. Unfortunately, a fairly common
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: story these days in Melbourne. That's where you expect these
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: things to happen. Absolutely all right, We're going to go
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to a brain when we come back. You'll soon be
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: able to buy mid strength vegamites, which sounds very UnAustralian.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in the moment. Remember that old
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: song we love football, meat pies, kangaroos holding cars, they
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: could have said, and vegemite, because nothing is more Australian
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: than vegamite. I would say nothing is more UnAustralian than
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: producing a new vegemite variant which is mid strength, designed
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: to help especially children who might not really like vegamite,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: get the taste for it. With this new vegemite that
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: has slightly less salt, is a bit creamier and sweeter,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and as I said, it's going to be on the
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: market shortly to try and tempt children into developing a
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: taste for vegamite. I'm not a fan of vegamite per se.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Don't mind it, but don't love it either, But I
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't be going for this new version income or
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: you're not when it comes to vegemite color.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Seriously, I love vegimint and that's absolutely piss week if
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: you ask me, I mean, what are we doing raising
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: wooses in this country? We can't get them onto the real.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, let's have your mid streak vegu mighty.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Seriously, I'm going to put some hairs on the chest
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: to these kids, and you do it by feeding them
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: real vegemite.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like vegemite either, So I just would
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: you try the mid strength? No, I wouldn't. No, I'm
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: just put off full stop. Sorry, sorry, Caleb.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: It's because you're not bloody Australian. Unbelievable, I am, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: was born here.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Actually, well.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: It's an Australian.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Oh look you know what. No, now look Rod Stewart's son.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: If you want my body and you think I'm sexy,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: let me know. But that body, well it can't it. Basically,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: on Friday night in Utah, the eighty one year old
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: was on stage when he became noticeably breathless and had
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: to pause to get an oxygen mask.
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: Have a look.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: He then went on to say to the audience, the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: show must go on. I nearly effing fainted. Would you
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: mind if I sat down this one? And he continued
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the shocking But he's still out there, is still rocking away.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Good on him, to be honest. Half the audience were
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: probably on oxygen mask.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Rock. I thought it wasauseed that sang leave me breathless
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: with an it there you go? Now can you believe this?
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Over in France it's rather hot at the moment, and
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: apparently they're not to climatize to all of this business.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: It's you know, forty one degrees at the moment. So
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: France has responded by banning people from drinking alcohol at festivals.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I do know they think people have too many beers
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: or something, A lot of nanny a crap A beer.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: In a heat wave.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's the time you want the beer. And these
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: these people in France say no, you can't even beer.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I reckon that. Well, it's it's an Australian, it's unFrench.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, for goodness sake, if you can't have a
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: nice drink in France, where can you.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Well, Caleb's just canceled his European holiday. On that that.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: That's all we've got time for tonight. Stick around come
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: up in just a moment, is the read of Pennalty Show.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow night.