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Like Ghosts · Caught on the Mike...

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  SPEAKER_01: Disclaimer, the views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's in her discretion is advised.
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  SPEAKER_01: And how they carved out their own lane in a crowded music landscape.
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  SPEAKER_01: From the grip of riding in small rooms to the thrill of taking yours down to figure stages, this conversation is a deep dive into passion process and the ghosts that inspire them.
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  SPEAKER_01: With several impressive collaborations under their belt, this is a band you're going to remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mike.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mike.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: In case you have not been paying attention, just recently I released an episode with Ryan Cabrera.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Ryan Cabrera released not one, but two new versions of his hit song on the way down.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: One that featured a lot of uh TRL adjacent uh co-performers, and the other is a more updated rock version featuring my next guests.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to welcome the band Like Ghosts to the show.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: Noelle Gage and Tyler are joining me.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Guys, how the heck are you?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing great, man.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having us.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome, awesome.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I am so excited that you guys are here.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let's not waste any time.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let's start right at the beginning.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: How did Like Ghosts come together back in 2014?
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  SPEAKER_01: And what was the vision when you guys first formed the band?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, Gage and I were in a uh in a in a band prior, and we were kind of playing some some pop punk and um stuff that you know Boys Light Girls All-Time Low was doing back at the time, like 2010, 2009.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's the kind of band we were in, and it had broken up about 2012.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so in that year, like 2013, uh, I had reached out to Gage asking him if he wanted to keep pursuing music, if that was still something he was passionate about.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: And luckily he was, and I had told him that it wasn't gonna uh I wasn't really wanting to play uh music like we were.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of wanted to do something a little more mature, a little bit heavier.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: And uh he was kind of all uh all down for it.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: And so him and I started the band, and then later we found a drummer who um who's not our drummer anymore, but he's still he's still a homie, and um then after that we found Andrew, who is our other guitar player, our fourth member, and then uh shortly after that, later, like down the road, we found Tyler.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: But the kind of immediate story was Gage and I still wanted to be in a band, and but we were gonna switch up the sound a little bit, and it was uh, you know, that post-hardcore um sound, that heavier warp tour sound, and so we kind of rolled with that up until recently.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right on, right on.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: So who were some of your influences moving on to this new project?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because you cited some of the pop punk influences, but who kind of lit your fire whenever you formed like ghosts?
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I had a three album short list that was uh Memphis May Fire Unconditional, uh Bring Me the Horizon Sem Sem Paternal, and then Restoring Force from of My Sid Men.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: And those three albums, even those bands were going through a transition at the time.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's when they kind of cleaned up and were more mainstream, more uh refined rock.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that just kind of hit me where I was at at that point in time.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_03: And coming out of the pop punk sound with the other band, it just struck a chord with me, something that I wanted to do and that I was starting to feel passionate about, at least sound-wise.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: And then uh I'm gonna pass it over to Gage for his influences as well.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, when we were starting the band, I'd like to shout out Hands Like Houses.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: That was a big one for me.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and I don't think they get enough love.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: So uh Hands Like Houses was a huge one for me, and I'm really like a pop, like top 40 pop or like pop punk like kind of guy.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but bands like Pierce the Vale and Sleep More Sirens really got me into it.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: We've been lucky enough to work with Kelvin Quincy.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: So uh bands like that, but like I said, yeah, Hands Like Houses was huge for me around that time, and and I don't think they get enough love.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: So love it.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: What about you, Tyler?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Are you just the bass player?
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: You just carry gear.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, basically.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_04: Aha, punch.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_04: Back in the day, uh when I had joined the band, I was like primarily into Fall or Fallout boy.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_04: All of Infinity on High is like basically the reason that I buy music, and I still jam that album like I did when I was a kid.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's just still my number one.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: And then that and like A Day to Remember was kind of the breakthrough band for me that got me into like the heavier side of it.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_04: Because when I was younger, I was a little bit prude to like screaming music because I couldn't understand what they were saying, so it was hard for me to get into it.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_04: But A Day to Remember was the first band that I listened to that I could understand what they were saying, and it kind of broke that wall for me, so much so that now I just kind of listen to noise.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, dude, I totally get that.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: As musicians, you know, just for full transparency, I'm a former band guy myself, and the last project that I was in was heavily influenced, and I'll go on record and say it because I even copped some of their shit, was heavily influenced by like Story of the Year and Atreyu and bands like that.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: So bands that could do the screaming, do the melodic singing, but really brought the live show, like bought brought the spectacle, you know?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, speaking of like story of the year, I and it's something that I realized kind of moving into our heavier days as a band, um, was I think just like melody in general.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't even have to be like, I don't even know what's melody, because like there's even songs where just like the rhythm of the screaming, like it's it's atonal, right?
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: But it's catchy.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's the kind of stuff that attracts me um to any given like piece of music.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um as long as it has that kind of catchiness factor to it, uh that's what I look for.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I discovered, I mean, there was a wealth of those bands around that time, like 2013, 2014-ish.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: My very last show that I played was actually about the time you guys started, it was like 2011, and it was uh opening up for events sevenfold and three days grace at a Sig.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he listened.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's like his favorite band.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was a date on the Rockstar Uproar tour, and we just happened to luckily secure a state on a spot on the Best Buy stage, and uh uh a Treyu side project or Brandon side project, Hell or High Water, was on that, and we got to play right before them.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: So sick.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of like my Super Bowl moment of like, okay, I'm done after this.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm okay with walking away with from it after that.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, what's kept your guys' fuel going?
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you guys have you guys are over a decade in.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Most bands really don't last much more than five to seven years.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know, man.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even like I mean, me and Noel personally, I I can't speak for Tyler, but I know like we've been at it together.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I've been at it like 18 years, and I met Noel shortly shortly after that, so like, you know, 15-ish years around there.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, I don't know, man.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's just kind of this is at least speaking for myself, this was what I decided I wanted to do.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: I was like a freshman in high school when I discovered Blink 182, which is really late, by the way.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I discovered them in like after they broke up in like 05 or something like that, right?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: But I loved the music and I learned to play guitar and I was like, cool, I just want to be Tom Belong.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm gonna do with my life.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: And uh and I just never stopped, man.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, I just kept kind of walking that path and just never, never stopped.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't really intend to.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's kind of just a way of life at this point, is just kind of what I what I do, I think what we we all do.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if they want to chime in on their reasons, but I just kind of kept going.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: Looks like Tyler has something.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_04: Music for me, like when when I started playing music when I was like 16, it's probably like one of the only consistence in my life that I've never been able to put down.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like I love to do creative things, but generally after a few years I get bored of them.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_04: And that's just not the thing that happens for me with music.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_04: There's always something new that I want to make or a different sound that I can hear in my head that I want to chase.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_04: And that's the kind of thing that like gives me the drive to keep going.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think that I'm ever really gonna burn out on music in general.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe I'll write new stuff, but I don't think it'll ever stop at this point.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's been like 14.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_04: I don't feel any kind of burnout.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, as the genre has evolved or the adjacent genres have evolved, streaming has also evolved.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: I've talked about it a lot on recent episodes of the podcast with other musician guests, and we talk about how a lot of the younger generation doesn't view things as genre anymore as much as they view things as mood.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: They view music as just being music.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: How do you feel that has influenced your band and your evolution over the last 10 years?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: I still get my music from Limeward.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's funny?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: I saw an article today like Sony Music is going back and suing the parent company Am Napster, and I was like, what the fuck is this 2001?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Lars is still at a good Lars is still anyways.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um actually uh the genre like or lack thereof uh kind of thing uh is really pertinent to our band right now, uh, because I've been on this this kick with this new EP trying to write songs uh that blend uh certain genres of EDM with like the scene and like you know your your punk rock and your your hardcore music um and kind of trying to see where that takes me and trying to kind of carve my way and make it a little more genre fluid.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: Also, a lot of the bands that I listen to these days are kind of genre fluid.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they don't like it's not weird for them to to put out a country song or rock and roll song or hip-hop song, you know.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's just kind of what you fall into, I guess, like wherever your heart is at when you write that music um at that time.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: But I love it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's cool.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think it it kind of makes for a lot more um somewhat originality and uniqueness to pieces of music.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's it's like reinventing the wheel, even though it doesn't need to be reinvented.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, there.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: I I think it's cool because it's like if you want to like write you know a country song or whatever, that's cool.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like you hear a country song or something that that inspires you and you and you write that, and let's say you're in a rock and roll band, but you do like a country song or two or whatever, and then you take those influences back with you to like your rock and roll stuff, and you kind of start crafting your own sound like that, or whether it's you know like hip hop or idiom or whatever it might be.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's take a little step backwards.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: You the your band kind of broke out with a song called I Wish Things Were Different, uh really kind of put you guys on the map.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: What was the story behind that and how did that collaboration come about?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Wish yeah, so uh the V1 of that song came about.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: I just remember Noelle over here would he was like the riff writer, he would always write these different riffs or whatever, and he wrote the intro riff to um I wish things were different, and that was something I really latched on to it was like, Yep, that's that's something right there.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Grabbed that, took it back to my laptop, and kind of just laid everything out, made everything out, made an almost like complete song of a of a demo, right?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_04: And then we what the demo the story behind the demo, get keep going.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're gonna have to tell it.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then we uh we went into our uh the studio with our producer Corey and um yeah, we finished that song like a day.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: That was real quick just because it was so like finished from the demo process.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um and this was back kind of before we knew what really what we were really doing.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: We had just exited uh the deal with our first label at the time.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: So this was our first independent release after being signed, if that makes sense.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and um we just put it up and honestly didn't even really promote it that much or anything.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't really know what made that song catch fire.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: I guess it's just a good song at the end of the day, if I can say that, you know.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean I I people seem to like it.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like I don't know what about that one song did that, but that was something that just happened for us, to be honest.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: So um, and then after that, I have always like I said, I'm a pop guy and I've always been a fan of how like if you take like a Taylor Swift or something, for example, right?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: She will re-release the same song with different versions like 10 times over because it's smart business.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: It just is, right?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: And um so during COVID, there was a website called Featured X, right?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: And uh our friend uh or our I'm sorry, uh our guitar player Andrew is friends with Shane Told, and we had always talked about uh doing something with him, but he was actually on Featured X, and it it was something where there was like a clear price point, a clear point of contact, everything.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so we kind of made that happen through that website.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's not around anymore, unfortunately.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, reached out to him, he laid down his vocals, uh, we retracked the song in the studio with Shane's Vocals, uh, and that was it.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then we put it out.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Now we have a song, excuse me, with uh Shane from Silverstein, and it's crazy.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's awesome.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's funny because I think I got uh I might have Silverstein on the hook for doing a future episode here pretty soon.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: That would be sick, yeah.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: They're in Australia right now, so dude, and also they just did Warp Tour, and like I was watching all the live stream sets uh from Warp Tour, and Silverstein killed it.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like they were one of the best like live stream sets I've ever seen in my life, and they're like in their 40s, I think, and like dude, tearing it up.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: It was awesome.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I have like a 21-year-old Silverstein hoodie from back when they were OG.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, like back when they were OG on Victory Records with the robot on it, dude.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's the exact hoodie.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: That is the exact hoodie I have.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: I have to dig it out because I'm gonna wear it whenever I have them on the show, just to be ironic, you know?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about collaborations and scene legends.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you worked with some big names like Kellen Quinn and Shane Told.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: What have those collaborations taught you guys musically and personally?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: For anyone who might be watching this that's in a smaller band, uh, they taught me that these like larger-than-life rock stars, because that's what they are, uh, they are accessible.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: And if you have something that you're proud of and that's good, uh and that's well produced, that's a big thing, right?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you reach out to these people, um, sometimes they can take an interest and things can happen.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so you know, the the world, the the world of music is a lot smaller than you think.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and maybe you should reach out to people uh because they might respond and they might get a song with them.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Social media made it even smaller?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think so because there's times where like even before we worked together, um I was I like posted that uh I think it was uh how it feels to be lost was the record that uh by sleeping with sirens, uh that oh, this record's sick.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: And like I did tag him and everything like that, but Kellen like looked in my story and re reposted it.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then I had like Franz from Attila looking at my story and all stuff like that, right?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, yeah, that's and that's before we even work together.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, yeah, I mean, people you never know.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: You never know who's gonna see your stuff, right?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, it it's one of those things that you know I my show is actually really diverse, except for I made a promise to myself in April that I was like, okay, for summer 2025, I'm going all in on music.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do almost all music episodes, but I've had I've had TV stars, paranormal experts, a lot of folks from the UFC, because the MMA space is very similar to the music space.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like I would like to have those conversations.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's just not me musician and I do music all the time, but like having like paranormal or like UFC conversations sounds.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, you know what's crazy though?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I and I I know I feel like I'm repeating the same thing every single episode.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: My conversations with fighters are some of the most leveled conversations in the world.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because and and the the only thing that I can kind of equate it to is the fact that they get that physical violence out in the octagon that it makes them so leveled in the real world.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: And and so it's like it is it is so amazing because I've learned some of the deepest things about myself by having these conversations with these fighters, and that's what's absolutely amazing.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and speaking of like the internet being small and uh fighters and stuff, I mean, Alexa Bliss saw our stuff, which led to us ticking right now.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, you know, like I said, you never know.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we're we're gonna get to that here in just a moment, but I was gonna ask, you know, because I've experienced the same same thing in the five years of being a podcaster.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'll throw up a story on Instagram and I'll look at who's looked at it, and I'll be like, oh shit.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what what?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and you you never know what happens.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um but let's talk about some of your covers and such, because I think that's a good segue to kind of get to the Alexa Bliss and Ryan Cabrera segment.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: You guys have picked some really classic pop songs, redone them, and they've really resonated.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: What's the process behind picking and reimagining those songs?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, usually it it will be the highest, like when we when we need to do a cover, like when it's been a couple months, because they're mainly marketing material is what they are, right?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: What'd y'all do?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be the highest charting song at the time that we actually like, right?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: We won't cover something we don't like.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll just kind of go down the the billboard hot 100 and whatever song was charting highest on you know that particular day.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, however, some of the bigger ones that are more of the throwback ones uh were songs that Noel, our guitar player over here, uh just kind of picked out that he liked pop songs from kind of yesterday that we thought we could add something to with the modern production, and of course it being like a hard rock song.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: So were you influenced by the the punk goes series at all?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you I think I think we all are very influenced by that.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Same, same, the same.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Halifax's cover of Paula Abdul's straight up is still one of my most favorite covers on one of those albums.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: I love uh Tyler's back there doing bass player things, throwing the arms up, you know, gesturing behind you guys.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta have some big opinions on this bass player guy.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's the resident hottie, so he just dude.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's so funny, man.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think that's every band I've been in.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: We we used to like slug CDs to the bass player and be like, dude, you're the good looking one in the band.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: You just go there on.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: We don't we don't feed them unless L C D's again.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that bass player jokes are universal.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: So let's get to that.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get to that point.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about the Ryan Cabrera collaboration and Alexa Bliss seeing you guys.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: So correlate this and tell me the story behind all of this.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: So as the story goes, um, Alexa Bliss found our cover Ryan Cabrera's on the way down on YouTube, I believe, and essentially showed it to Ryan.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: Ryan loved it.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: And nobody knew this at the time, but he was getting ready to do his 20-year anniversary uh celebration of Take It All Away, and uh he showed his uh record label, Manic Cat Records, now our record label too, um, and had asked them to reach out to us to see if we would be interested in doing a one-song deal with them just for that one specific song um where it was gonna be the same instrumental and then my vocals, but also add Ryan's vocals to it and then put it on this new uh anniversary edition of the record that's coming out.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: So we jumped to that opportunity, so sick, right?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's like probably the coolest thing that could happen with like putting out a cover of any song, right?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: Is the artist reach out to you, reaches out to you, and is asking to do a version together, right?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um and we thought that was it.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: But then uh from there, that actually led to Manic Cat wanting to sign us um, you know, for all these records that we do with them now.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so and you know, now we're signed to that label and speaking to you.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: So that's amazing.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Tyler has something.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_04: I got bass boy activity lore.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_04: So going into this, when all that happens, um right when it started, Ryan had hit us up and he was just like, like they were just being straight up, they're just being like, for real.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_04: Like, hey, are any of my vocal like in this?
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like, actually, like, are you are you using any of my takes?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't actually he like fully cleared it up and was like, I don't care if you are, but I'm curious, are you?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_04: And we had to be like, nah, we like we could give you the stems too.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: We'll give you the whole session.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: And and And he was like, dude, no way.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: That's just what you sound like.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_04: What?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_04: And then we flew up to New York, me and Gage, like last uh October.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: In September.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: September.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: We flew up to go hang out for the uh for the record label December show.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_04: And Ryan was there and we met him.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_04: And the very first thing he said when he saw Gage, he pointed at him like the Spider-Man meet.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_04: And he was just like, Why do you sell like me?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: That is amazing.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the first thing Ryan Kabara ever said to me since I met when I met him.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_04: Hi, not a hello.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not even a hello, D.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, but he's he is he's the coolest, chillest guy, but that was the first thing he said to me.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: So what has your interactions with different people in the industry been like?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because you guys are still on the rise.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like dude, like worse than probably most people in my position, if I'm being honest.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Not not because of them, because of me, to be clear.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like I like I have a different you ever slowly increase the bread meal.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: We're like big bourbon drinkers, and so we like getting loose before our shows, you know, and we're always like obviously like the the big rock stars are always going after us, right?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: So like by the time I like meet these people, I'm pretty well lubricated.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll either like fanboy or make an ad actually funny story.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like with Ryan, I think I was pretty well composed for the most part.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: But um we we played on the way down together at that show that he was talking about, right?
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: And um when I went up uh to sing the song with him, this is after my set, and it's obviously his set he's closing out, it's on the way down, it's the big finisher.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: And he calls me up, and somebody had spilled beer on the stage, right?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'm running up and I slip and fall on stage with Ryan Cabrera in front of everybody, dude.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and that's just a good kind of metaphor of how it always goes when I meet my heroes, but you know we're we're waiting to for a prime opportunity to release that video of him fine.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: Jesus.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on my way down, dude.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, that can go viral.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like you gotta edit it real nice, get up on the TikTok with it.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, but yeah, dude, I just um none of my uh I feel they all still seem to still like me, but every time I met someone like that, it just never goes the way I want it to.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: On my part, not theirs.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Again, they've all been wonderful.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: I've never met anyone who's been you know bad to us or anything.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: I happen to keep my composure with now are uh people.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: And uh no, some of the coolest things are different, but maybe unless it's Maddie Mullins.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but that's the one I was gonna talk about too, right?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: Because you get inspired by music and you look up to people and you just hope to maybe one day to pass by them.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_03: And there's kind of two instances with this where one of our first times we had played Warp Tour and we had won a battle of the bands, and we had gotten just like uh we got wristbands, but they weren't like all access wristband type of things, and so we were trying to go to see bands backstage anyway.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: I was with Gage on this one, and Memphis had just come off, and like Kellen McGregor is my favorite guitarist, huge inspiration from him.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: So that's one of the few times where I'll fangirl, and we were walking right by each other, and I was like, Oh, do you do this, Kellen, do this, to him, make it a team?
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's just kind of funny because in passing, didn't even say anything to him, right?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: But then, like, fast forward to I think it was last year when we were doing a string of emo nights in uh between Corpus and Houston.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um mainly Corpus, actually, and um Maddie Mullins was DJing one of those emo nights, yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: And none the wiser, right?
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna say, oh dude, I've fancied uh at the but at the one war tour I walked by you, right?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: But it was just super cool because like like you said, they're normal people and they're like accessible, and so that was just one of the coolest things because when we were there, he was he wasn't one of those people that just kind of showed up at showtime.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: He was there, he was mingling, he was hanging out with us and people, and that was really cool.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_03: And one of the coolest things is that we were taking just promo shots, uh photos just of the event, just to recap and all that.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: And he kind of just like sneaks up in the photo, we're like, Oh, hey, what's up, dude?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what's going on?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, Hey man.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, Oh, dude, like can like can we just take a picture real quick?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, Oh yeah, dude, let's like take a few.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: I'm in your band right now.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'll be and so there's a few pictures of him where he's like in the like in the band photos.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's a member of Light Ghosts, yeah, exactly.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so those that like that's one of those moments for me where I had like a great time, and that was you know, huge respect, you know, Maddie Mollins.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: If I ever meet you again, do you go love him, bro?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: And that's you know, my personal experience with I love that.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think of what he's doing with uh Anne Berlin?
• 26:52
  unknown: I like it.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: I love Anne Berlin and a la main moment.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's one of those where like where we're talking about genres, right, where something I probably haven't wouldn't have listened to, it's something that got me introduced to like another band.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: So that's really cool.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_03: And even even that collab with Yellow Card when they did that song together, um Lift a Sail, I think it was called.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: That was super cool because that was something that we you probably would have never thought to see at Memphis Bayfire and Yellow Card to go on tour together.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: So that's what it's crazy.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: I had uh I had Stephen Christian from Amberlyn on last year, the original singer, and uh you want to talk about gracious people because in the episode with me, he was very he explained his departure, why he stepped away, and explained how he gave Maddie his blessing to take his spot.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Still to this day, probably one of my most favorite episodes of of my show I've ever done.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: But um, I had a fan experience that I was able to share with him in that episode where I saw him play.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: I saw actually I saw Amber Lennon's story of the year in Kansas City, and I just so happened to catch him after the show walking out of the bar, and we ended up standing there talking for 45 minutes, and it it was a great conversation.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: We were there for a long time.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Six months later, he comes to my market in Omaha, Nebraska, and he recognized me at the show, and I was like, What?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, you guys know this.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Musicians meet hundreds of thousands of people, so to have that fan experience where the lead singer of one of your favorite bands actually recognizes you, somewhat remembers your name, it's the coolest thing in the world.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I I get that same exact adjacent experience that you had with Maddie.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty awesome.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about the new era, the new sound, your current single, Better Now, leans into future bass while keeping that emo backbone.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: What inspired the Sonic Shift?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I have always, like I said, been more into kind of the pop side of things, and we got pretty dark and heavy uh towards uh our last couple releases, and it's just something I wasn't really a fan of, and I was actually going to politely step down uh and kind of go make sparkly pop songs on my own and kind of let these guys do whatever they wanted to do uh with like ghosts.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um but then Brian Kaber called and then you know we have some things to talk about.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: So um and I was just like, you know, hey, like if we're gonna sign this deal and we're gonna you know go down this route, I it needs to be it needs to be a different direction, something that I more it kind of messed with.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because I was really like, I mean, he can attest to this.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: I you know, he would kind of get with our producer and kind of give me these songs that were like 99% done, and it's kind of like just sing some sad stuff over this and you know, call it a day.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it was very uninspired for me, at least.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so when I was debating on what I was gonna do with my next project, I was really into electronic music.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm really into uh the Chainsmokers, Elenium, said the Sky, artists like that.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so I was gonna go do that.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: And um I learned how to I worked with Chris from Culture Code, he's a DJ out in the UK.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I learned how to produce from him as far as that genre of music goes.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then I started kind of working on the songs that I was gonna write for that project.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um now then we signed, and then of course I kind of you know brought everything I'd learned, kind of like we were talking about with the genre betting and stuff, over here.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, okay, like instead of just doing an electronic thing or instead of just doing, you know, what I guess is always done, like what if we kind of fuse them together?
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's kind of the direction that we went uh for this for this record, and I'm incredibly excited about it.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's it's music that I really enjoy.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: Other people seem to enjoy it.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: We've only put out one song so far, but it seems to be doing well.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's like the biggest like week one we've had for any song we've ever done ever, including I wish things were different.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, and uh I'm excited to see where it goes.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's uh that kind of leads to a good question because I think all of us have had that moment at one time or another in a band where you feel like you've kind of hit the wall and you're like, okay, am I doing this just to keep the engine going or keep the machine running, or am I doing this because it's still fulfilling me?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: How do you overcome those barriers?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Each one of you, how do you overcome those barriers when you do hit those walls?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's only human.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, for me, I just need to write music that like I genuinely enjoy.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like every there was a time period a couple years ago, like I was talking about, where I was really phoning it in, and that's not like I would rather do a corporate job, man.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's there's no fulfillment in that.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, why are you even doing this is a hard path.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: If it's not fulfilling, why are you even doing it, you know?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it needs to be music that is fulfilling to me.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's not necessarily gonna stay future base or emo or whatever, right?
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like it could I don't know what the future will bring.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: Life is excuse me, bring life is long.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it needs to be music that's that's true to you, you know, and that sounds kind of cliche, but I think it's true.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: All right, what about the other two, you guys?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: What kept me from burning out really was because I had always wanted to put a body of work together as light ghosts that was like kind of a definitive mark at uh point in time.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: And unfortunately, we kind of had that first uh version of that taken off the internet, and so sadly, there wasn't anything except like loose one-off singles, and that kind of really irritated me because I'm a really we're really organized person, and like when there's uh like a band, I like to kind of see what they um have, you know, listed up at least in order.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I know singles have been kind of the the the the tactic to do, so there's always the singles out there, and um, you know, if they get you an album then they do, and if not, then there's like 14 singles on there that you can just click on.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: But I at least am a little bit old school that have always wanted uh an album, like a 10 to 12 song collection, like this is us during this era.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's what kept me from burning out because like Gage was saying, I was really like determined on getting him something to like bro, just sing on this.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I like I did all the work, Corey and I don't even worry about it, bro.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: Just sing on it.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, like said it was burnt out, and I wasn't about to go on like an ego trip or like a power trip saying that oh I can do it, and like I don't need you type of stuff.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: It was like, no, bro, like we need to do this together because this includes you too.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I you know I don't claim to do anything more than I say that I can do, and that's just one of those things that um going back to like trusting people and like being a team player and all that stuff and burning out too.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's like looking at the other perspective.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: So again, what keeps me from burning out is to not be you know selfish and to see what other people have to offer.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_04: I guess for me it's rather like uh I always have this pop punk like metal core inspiration in pretty much everything that I try to write.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_04: I used to be exclusively pop punk, and that actually changed when I met Noelle.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_04: I was into a day to remember at the time, but I didn't really know much else that had to do in the Metal 4 sphere at the time.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_04: But when I'm writing a song, the thing that like keeps me from burning out the most is like trying something that I haven't tried before.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_04: And no joke, this is something that I did when I was a beginning like guitarist base, learning how to play music using tads and stuff like that.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: I'd be like, hey, I really like this band, they do stuff differently for me.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_04: A big influence in that was like Paramore.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_04: I went and just checked out a bunch of Paramore guitar tats, and they used a bunch of chords that my ass at the time hadn't even seen.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like I didn't know what that chord was, and I'd just go and mess around, diddling with it, like playing the song, seeing what it did, and then taking inspiration from that and trying to write songs and structures that isn't the exact same structure that I would repeat all the time, and then doing that, just repeating that cycle over time, learning like how to write in different ways and different chords that other bands would use, taught me that there's like a lot of open-ended solutions to plot like you ever hit writer's block and you get you get into a song and you can't figure out a bridge.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_04: You literally can't move past that one point.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'll just go check out a bunch of bands that I like and see if they use some weird-shaped chords that I don't know in the tabs, and then try and mess around with those chords and see if I can get something going.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_04: And that's kind of what's kept me from ever like stopping.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_04: So you copy people, got it.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think in a word it's just like you you gotta be creative, man.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like you gotta scratch that gratitude itch.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think that goes for any of us and probably everyone, but it's a creative business at the end of the day, you know.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: Use power cords forever, you'll get bored.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, I like I I haven't ever asked that question before, but I, you know, admiring the tenure of your band, you know, and just kind of the point of the story, Gage, when you talked about you were considering walk a walking away, because at that point in time you sounds like you just weren't feeling creatively fulfilled at that moment in time.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: I know when I walked away from it, the last year I spent doing my last band, I was listening to nothing but Jason Isbel and and Jay-Z, and it wasn't fitting the type of music that I was I was trying to write.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I felt like I was writing for the sake of keeping people coming to the show, which is not writing for myself, you know, and I and I think we've all kind of experienced that in some varying degree.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, with that said, you guys have been doing this for over a decade, and not to make the question sound repetitive, what do you hope like ghosts leaves behind in the scene and what's next on the horizon?
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, as far as what we hope to leave behind, that's that's crazy.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we never opened bar tablets.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: An open piece.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, well, currently, with there was a model.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think there are two models that you can do uh when you pursue something like this where we were trying to do the warp tour, you know, metal core thing, like as well as it could be done, right?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be like one of the greats in that, right?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Another route that you can go is you can try to kind of create something new, right?
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Which is, I think, the path that we're on now, um, where you kind of you don't you don't follow any specific blueprint and you try to just, you know, make something original, you know, as hard as that is to do, with you know, like a hundred thousand songs being released a day to Spotify or whatever it is.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, I hope I hope that we are striking some small uniqueness or originality that can inspire someone to kind of take the best parts of that and blend it with whatever they might be doing, um, and kind of just be a part in that chain reaction that is like creates have a creativity in like progressing genres, you know.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you guys have been a lot of fun to chat with, and uh, I I am really uh I'm really enjoying your music.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: I listened to it on the drive home from my day job today.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so and it was great.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for that.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: So my closing question, and everybody's got to give a different answer, or at least try, is what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um force yourself to be kind to people, and I don't just mean like be kind, like peace and love.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like I mean like go out in the world and like look people in the eye and smile at people and like make small talk.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: It'll make them feel better, it'll make you feel better.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: I can't tell you the amount of times I haven't been in the best uh mood and like walk into a gas station and somebody just like looks me in the eye and like says, like, hey, you know, have a good day or whatever, like right, like and uh and it actually works like if it's genuine and people are warm to you.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's one little small like you can't just go out and change the world, but that's one little thing that you can do.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: You can go out, you can look people in the eye, you can be nice to people, say something, don't just be on your phone.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: So love it.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well dear, who's my answer?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's along those same lines though, because I've always kind of lived by this uh that's not really a motto or a creed.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I guess it's a creed, but it's just like just be a good person.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: You know, just like genuinely be a good person.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: Whether or not beliefs align with yours, whether or not somebody says something you agree with, that's fine, because everyone's entitled to whatever they want to say or believe.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: And as like as long as okay, you can kind of filter that and just keep it wherever you've you know, wherever you met it, then you know, be a good person, still wish them the best, say, you know, you love them and hope that they are there, you know, hope that hope that they have a good day.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: And that's kind of mine there where that's stuff that always keeps me um from getting stressed out is just you know, that's not rel that's not uh that doesn't pertain to me.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: But have a good day, you know, wish wish you the best.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: And um yeah, just be a good person because it'll it'll relieve a lot of stress.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: Mine would be to go out of your way to break your repetitive day-to-day cycle.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_04: Like if all you're doing is working your nine to five, you're going home, that's it.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: That's the end of your day, you just sit in the couch, watch TV, do whatever, break it.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_04: The best thing that happened to me in my life was deciding like I'm 100% a social kind of person.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_04: I won't go do things unless my friends are doing said things, and I really put myself in a box doing that that kind of stuff.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_04: And the biggest change that I'd seen in my life and like my happiness has been going in, just doing stuff for myself, not locking myself in my house if my friends can't go, or like maybe it was a group activity and everybody bailed.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: Just do it yourself.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_04: Have fun with yourself.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_04: Do not repeat the day ever.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's the easiest way to get set in your ways, and it's not the best cycle.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_04: Love that.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't you tell my audience where they can find you and your music online?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: All right, it is at Like Ghosts Rock on Everything.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: Now, a little thing about that, I'm sure the links will be in the description or whatever you do, but it's like L-I-K-E Ghosts, that is plural, G-H O S T S Rock, R-O-C-K on everything.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I say that because I didn't realize it was gonna be that easy to mishear or misspell, but apparently it is.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: So and primarily, I mean, as far as the music's concerned, Spotify, Apple Music, wherever, wherever you listen to music, we're there.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: So love it.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, guys, I am so excited to see what's next for you guys.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the collaboration with Ryan Cabrera just came out this last month in July.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you guys have new music rolling out continuously now.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: You do you have a a f like a landing date for a full collection yet?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's supposed to be Halloween, and I don't mind talking about that, but don't hold me to that because we are still recording, and sometimes, you know, these things might take longer than expected, but right now it's supposed to be Halloween.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's very ironic.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: A band called Like Ghosts Plural uh has a Halloween release.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: A Halloween release.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: What's my favorite holiday?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: But ladies and gentlemen, make sure you check these guys out online.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Gage, Noel, and Tyler.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for doing the show, guys.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: The world's a much better place with you in it.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you, man.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about that.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, I'd like to thank my friends from Like Ghosts for joining me on the podcast today.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was a fun conversation.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of jokes, mostly made on behalf of the bass player.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Tyler.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Give them a follow on Instagram at Like Ghost Rock.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you follow the record label Manic Cat Records as well.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Cat spelled with a K.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: And while you are being generous with the follows, make sure you're following Caught on the Mike on all FiveCap platforms, on all social media networks, and it would be very much appreciated if you subscribe to my YouTube channel.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: www.caughtonthemic.com is where you can find my website and for all booking inquiries, caught on the mic at gmail.com.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: This has been Caught on the Mic with Michael Clark.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Michael Clark.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time, thank you.