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Street Farbrengen Episode 135 - Of Shabbos Meat Boards, Fun and The Art of Work! · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_04: Zakaria, I I had a crisis.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_04: I was listening to a podcast about Phil Knight, the um creator and owner and whatever else he is of Nike shoes.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_04: And he was talking about before he got into the business of Nike, that he set out in his life that he should be having he should be doing work that is play that's fun.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_04: And a lot of successful business people use that kind of language and terminology.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_04: And it hit me that I've been living, despite what you may think, I've been living under the assumption that to be an orthodox Hasidic Jew is seriousness and play and fun, even in work, is verboten, is forbidden.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_05: What?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want to be a part of a place that's not having fun.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_05: And like, what are you talking about?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, okay, I I inherently feel what you're saying.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_05: I do not live my life at all in accordance to that.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_05: I have a lot of fun.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_05: I love my work, I love what I'm doing, and I treat it like play.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_05: I have respect for you.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_05: So I I see it more not as in your work or in your life or whatever, but the seriousness aspect I understand.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_05: That like, okay, the firmer you are, the more serious of a person you are.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so like I get you're totally right.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_04: So we're not going to be able to do it.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_04: He's a servant of God and sleeps ready to get up and serve.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_04: So is service fun and play?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_05: Like what do what do we what soldiers don't look like they're having fun necessarily when they're um at service, so I hear that, but let let's let let me just take it back a step.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I've got that little bit of that guy in my shoulder who comes in every Rush Hoyish Elul and goes like you said.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_05: Or you're feeling guilty and having fun one or the other.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_05: More accurately.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: So, first of all, I just want to Could you have fun and not be frivolous?
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I'd I hope so.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_04: The whole world depends on you.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_04: The Rebbe says often that the whole world is balanced and you can tip the balance.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, is that fun?
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I I again I hear your question, but I want to start out with the Well Mishkichim sitting at their table at the front of the yeshiva looks like he's having fun versus looks like he's really serious.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_05: Honestly, I could tell you the biggest Tamida Kakamim I ever had the pleasure of really sitting by and learning from, and like they were like the funniest people.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_05: They were cracking jokes all the time.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_04: Jokes has nothing to do with it.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_05: No, but I'm saying they were genuinely enjoying their jokes and the.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_05: So what do you mean?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_05: Why why is that not uh enjoying themselves and what they do?
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um because you're saying when they're doing their personal avoida, they look very sick.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_05: What do you mean?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, talking about it.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm saying we are now moving into the month of El.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_04: Is Ell play and fun?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: I don't even know what the word fun is in Hebrew, but El play and fun and or is it There's no word in Hebrew?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_04: Serious, there isn't.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my goodness, that's interesting.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_04: No, I don't think there is a word for fun in biblical Hebrew.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I don't know what it is in Israel.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_04: Israel, you know, it's a whole other story.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, but before okay, I like I like your question because it's relevant.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_05: But wait, hold on.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_04: Before we get and what's really interesting, what's really interesting, because you can relate that.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_04: Ella, you're starting to feel that you understand that El is really serious.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_05: Winds of Chuva are upon us.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_05: I feel the weight of the weight.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, okay.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_04: Let me Are you having fun and playfulness when you're listening to the Schaefer?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_04: Bringing God into the world.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_05: No, it doesn't mean that you have to be smiling giggly all the time.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: I never said the word smiling.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_05: I understand.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm saying let's define fun if you want to go down that road.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_04: But before we do, yeah, I I want to mention the very important discussion.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's extremely important.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_05: But I'm saying before we go down that road.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_05: Before we go down, before we go down that road, the Hasidim were initially called the Frelex.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_04: I never heard that.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_05: So that was the original name.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, sitting today, I was at a breast uh in the show, and it was with a brass lever group of guys.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_04: There was like 25 guitars, and they were singing and dancing and up and down like whirling dervishes, and uh they're having fun.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_05: So the so the story that I I believe it was a story from the Bal Shantov, whatever.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_05: You could check it, you could check it out and correct me.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_05: You could put a footnote in our description.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_05: That uh that somebody came and said, Why are the Khassidim always happy and singing and dancing and like being Freilich?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like, where does that come from?
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_05: And the mushle that was given that I heard was imagine you have somebody who's like an entertainer in like the middle of the street, and he starts getting a crowd, and the crowd gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and they start dancing and they start getting excited, and then you have a person who's deaf who comes and walks by and sees all the people dancing and doesn't see the person in the middle playing the music, you know, the little band in the middle playing the music.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_05: And the response was effectively, just because you don't hear the music doesn't mean I should stop dancing.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, but that's a different question.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just well, you're you're asking it as is this the expectation that you should not be Bisimcha or not be uh having fun?
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_05: Again, fun, I guess, is usually uh associated with frivolous, so maybe we shouldn't use that word.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_05: But to enjoy playful.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_05: Playful, but like Enjoying yourself.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_04: So you're you're saying this guy is saying when he goes at work, he's enjoying himself.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_04: Right away, the compass um needle is pointed at the self.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_05: You just told me though that it's okay that the Tamil Khachamin enjoy teaching, and so they're having fun and saying jokes, they're Torah jokes and they're kosher.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_05: What's what are what are you seeing is not the equivalent?
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's a good question.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_04: I can't answer for the Tamil Khachame.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_05: Um just deep dig deep in your inner tomorrow.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_04: I'm trying to dig into into my inner tomorrow.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: I have to dig so deep, I'm gonna end up in China.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's it it's it's kind of like this is the way I see it.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_04: That there's no um gravitas and there's no sense of weight in the statement this guy's making.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_04: He went out to have to do his business listen, uh creating Nike was a big job.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_04: And he's and he then goes on to be described as a person who's uh who's ruthless in business.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_04: So he wasn't a puffball.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_04: So he's really engaged, right?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_04: And one of the things I picked up in this that got me thinking this way is that what is the key to success as it was being analyzed from this guy who created Nike is total 100% dedication.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_04: He's totally dedicated, he loves it.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he loves the fight.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_04: We once spoke once brought it reminded me of Trump.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: And Trump said, Bring on all your problems and bring in all your blocks and so on and so forth.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um because I love to answer problems.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's a guy who's totally engaged in the fight.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: Now, we've been learning, for example, Basilagani for the last six to eight months, and going through the whole series of Basilagani.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: And we all know that there's two things in Basilagani that's very primary.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_04: One is life is a garden of fruits and sweet smelling scents of a garden, of a of a vineyard, etc.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: And you're here to fight the war and go La Mylamina Sechel.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's we didn't actually think of it like those two contradictory things.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I didn't say they're contradictory.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just saying those are the two main points.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_04: Come on.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_04: So that's dedication, isn't it?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean war.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_04: You're war is totally dedicated.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, completely dedication.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, not only that's completely dedication, sure.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_04: The the Friday Karen the Rebbe explains the two kinds of war.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_04: One of them is for identity, and the other one is just, you know, to get you know more oil in your in your in your tank.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_04: And that kind of imperialism is not what we're talking about.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_04: We're talking about fighting for your core, for the self, for what I stand for, for who I am.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_04: So is there seems to be this is my thought that in the world you can go and be dedicated in your business and so on and so forth, but there's no consequences.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_04: There's no consequences in the sense of baruchness, your relationship with God in the sense of are you all of Chasidis is your serving God.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: Ain't Rasi Elulashamash Skoini.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_04: You're here just to serve only to serve God.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so where is there room to have what you we would call play and fun?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: And I maybe I'm I'm not saying there isn't.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: I am just discovering that I don't come from that place.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Even though if you asked me intellectually, I'd say, of course.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I guess I'm having a hard time thinking how to answer that.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_05: First of all, there are plenty of people who enjoy the war, enjoy the challenge like you're describing.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_05: So that is their fun.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_04: Is there is that mine and yours?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_05: For me, yeah, a bit.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, to a certain degree.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_04: You enjoy your Yatsahara like like fighting you in.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_05: No, not no, I more I more enjoy external battles to fight.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_04: But oh, you mean like business?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm saying uh I got that.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying a challenge.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying like an actual challenge has a has a very playful potential enjoyment in trying to work out that challenge.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, but then the enjoyment see, I'm not saying there's no challenge, uh enjoyment in that.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_04: But the enjoyment then is in the challenge, not in relationship to the third party.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_04: There's you, there's the challenge, and there's the third party, which is the Habish.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_05: Well, no, but if Hashem is the one who's sending you, I don't want to hear your philosophy.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think of it as a philosophy.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_05: If you are doing it and you say you, say I.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_05: No, if you, Ruvain, yeah, are involved in a challenge that you see is sent from Hashem, and that you have Batakhan that you're gonna overcome it, and that you're, you know, this is your mission in this world, yeah, you could be you could do it basimcha.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_05: You could do it in a way of like excitement and enjoyment pleasure.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: Are we saying excitement and simcha means playfulness and fun?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying that's a way synonymous?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_05: No, but I'm saying that's one of the ways of expression to be able to do it.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_05: Meaning you you have to be in that state of enjoyment, you know, excitement, whatever, to even potentially be playful and whatever.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_05: Meaning playful can only come from a place of menucha and you know, comfortability in what you're doing.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_05: Not that that's how it always gets expressed, but no, they're they're not synonymous.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so listen, I I I I I I hear everything you're saying, and I'm just was a little bit taken aback at my moment of authenticity.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: No, it was I don't play it's so appreciated.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_05: I don't play.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_04: You don't play um, I'm not I don't play, I don't have that playfulness that I'm I would love to have.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_04: Now, I have if I'm driving down the highway, which I do a lot, so I'm driving down the highway and listen to my favorite song, which doesn't come from Borough Park, um, I'll admittedly.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'm having fun.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_04: I don't have guilt from it either, because I enjoy it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_05: But I know you're saying that, but what should you feel guilt?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_04: Why'd you just say you can give up because you can have a whole thing of it, because because I'm not talking about you know listening to Nagunim here.
• 15:02
  unknown: Okay.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, you're saying it's not a Kedusha thing, so you're having fun.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, fine, go on.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just sorry, I just didn't know why you were saying that.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: So um in other words, let's go back a step and put it in these terms.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_04: When we say you meet God in a mitzvah, and therefore you should be Bisimcha.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Is that personal enjoyment?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, so I realize I haven't attained that.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm wondering why not.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm not running around feeling guilty, feeling uh, you know, the sh next to the You're not you're just saying you don't feel Simcha Schalnitzva, and so therefore you're talking about playfulness.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_04: I'm talking about I don't know if you should be playful when it's my personal enjoyment.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_04: Personal enjoyment.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I could I could, for example, is coming up for me for some reason, which I have no idea why.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: I can take a bunch of kids to a museum and go with the guide from the museum and and they can go and explain all of the paintings that we're gonna see in the museum.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: And I could be comfortable with saying I'm bringing these kids that are in camp or whatever, or in high school, and I'm gonna take them there.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm not enjoying it's not my simcha to watch these paintings and to look at these paintings.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_04: I don't care, give a hoot about the about that whole thing.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: But okay, I'm bringing the kids there, they're having a good time, so I'm happy about it.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: Does that mean I'm playful and enjoying?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_05: Because you're saying it's not your because I'm doing because I'm playing a role and I'm fulfilling the role and my obligation.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: You can't mean could you be okay, so let's ask Yes, yes, could you be I didn't ask the question yet?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_04: Could you be playful and as we're calling as we're saying it, having fun when you're fulfilling an obligation?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_05: As long as you're not calling playful or fun frivolous, then yes.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so let's call a spade a spade here.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: No, while you're let me ask you a question.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: When you get up in the morning let's go through the steps when you get up in the morning and you're going to I think I know some of the answers because I know you will, but let's say, okay, you're gonna we're gonna go to the R six o'clock in the morning shear in Hasidis.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_04: Is that obligation or fun?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_05: Both.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_04: What brings you to the table?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_05: At six o'clock in the morning, obligation, but Hasidis is fun.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: So then why would it be obligation?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_05: Just because I don't like waking up early.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but you don't like yeah, but you just said you're having gonna have fun.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but I'm tired.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_04: So what?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't ask you if you're not tired.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_05: I'm also having fun, but I'm saying what gets me up when I'm tired is and I don't feel like doing it is obligation that I'm committed to.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so now when you're up and you're learning it's fun?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_05: So I mean when my Kavarusa is doing a good job and having why is it always on me?
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: So then um let's say you're gonna go dubbing.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_04: Are you having fun or obligation?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_04: Can you feel and not simcha?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_04: Could you feel playful and in the flow and totally have having fun when you're gonna go now in Devon?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: That's an honest answer, which is already an answer, right?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, same question about learning, same question about having to go for mincha.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know why I'm associating.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_05: Some things I don't see how you would be able to jive it.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_05: Meaning like there's times when like seriousness is part of the um abligation of.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_04: Are we gonna say you're supposed to enjoy and have fun on Yom Kippur?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_05: Well, first of all, it does actually say you're supposed to be um there is an Indian of having uh um Do you feel that way on Yom Kippur?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yom to Simcha.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_05: I forgot how it actually plays itself out, but there's halakhas that actually connect to it.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not asking about halakhas, I'm asking about you.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_05: Me, no, not not typically although although the the beauty of the nagunam that are only sung once a year and the feeling excited and you enjoy the nugunam.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I don't know if I'd call that fun, but no, but like you I get into it.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: I get into like that space, and I could get excited about it to the point of- So you hear these guys who are very successful entrepreneurs and they don't need the money, but they keep on doing it because they just love what they do.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, is that what we're doing?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_04: Is that what I'm doing?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_04: That doesn't mean that doesn't mean that there's not times that they are serious.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_05: So what do you mean?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not sure.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_05: The point is, the point is, isn't it?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: Wait a second.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_05: Fun and playful doesn't mean they're not doing serious things.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_05: That's why I asked you before to define it, because we're not talking about the things they're they're doing serious things, right?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_04: The basketball star who practices four hours a day, even though he's twenty years as a star, is doing a serious avoida to him.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_04: He gets up every morning, laces his shoes, and does his thing.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: But is he having fun?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm thinking back to that Lakuti de Burim that I quote so often.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's regarding our time period now.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: The guy who gets up every morning from Rush Khoda.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: You already said it twice this year.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's all chatsonis.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_04: And it's all chatsonia's.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_04: Does chatsonyas mean you're not having fun?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_04: You're not enjoying it?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: You're not having a phonemic.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Unefesh.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you're not having a panemus that could find it.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_05: So the guy's right.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: So the guy who's got a hundred million dollars and he still insists on opening up another business, etc.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: etc., is not doing it for the money.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_05: Obviously.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_04: So maybe he's doing it for the fight?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: Love of the hunt, yeah.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_04: Love of the hunt or whatever it is.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_04: And we're not here to judge him in a theocracy context.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_04: But for you and I, we do live in that space.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_04: So it just seems, you know, it kind of is also buttressing up against that famous line that um that was set at the turn of the century in uh in America of the Jews who came over here and they said, Schwer, it's a Zina Yid.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's difficult being a Jew because they had to lose their employee employment every week, right?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody told over a story in Schulz he had the kids for his grandfather, an amazing uh little pearl of a story that his grandfather was a um he was a lawyer by training.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_04: And uh but he was orthodox in the 1920s.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_04: He would take his legal exams, they were always on Shabbos, and it was like a 12-hour exam.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: So it started, let's say, at one o'clock in the afternoon or whatever, let's say 11 o'clock in the uh in the morning, and you had 10 hours, 10 hours, and you and it would end at nine.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_04: So he would sit there from 10 o'clock in the morning or 11 o'clock in the morning, he would sit there and not write, not do any shabbas, and then he when Shabbas was over, he'd he'd say Mavdil, and in two hours he would fulfill the the exam that usually everybody else was taking 10 hours to write.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_04: I mean that guy was now.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_04: Did he do that?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Did he feel like he was having fun?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_04: Or was it like Schwerz says I'm a yid?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: And you know let's bring it full force here.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_04: In that place that we're involved in in Ilamhza, your work, my work, what I do, and this, that, and the next thing.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: That's called let's call it the field.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_04: Field of business, field of whatever you're doing.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: An el says the king is in the field.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_05: With a shining, happy chanted.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_05: So all this El talk you were saying before of all the seriousness or whatever, and meanwhile, the king is coming out to you smiling, wanting to entice you the way the Rebbe touches it out, to like draw you in to want to bring you close.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_04: So maybe to those who run to him.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_05: That's what the altar rebba says.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_05: The the Rebbe actually the Rebbe doesn't go against the altar.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't say go against.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying he brings it out as like it's also trying to attract the person.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_04: You mean he doesn't mean it?
• 25:35
  unknown: No.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: When he's trying to.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_05: No, I'm saying it's it's in order that a person should feel comfortable approaching the king.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_05: He's open, he's available.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_05: He when the Rebbe smiles at you, you're more comfortable like being in front of him.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_05: It's obvious.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: You know, and it's interesting because the Rebbe said about the Fedrik Rebbe that he looks serious and he's really Basimcha, and I look Basimcha and I'm really serious.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_04: So the seriousness is a very, and versus um, now obviously a guy like Phil Knight, who started for some reason this whole discussion, um, his thing is Ulumhzah.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_04: He's not involved with, at least as far as I know, with you know, a voidus in his mind, a voidus Hashem at all.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um in his way.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_04: I know there's all these people saying, Avaidas Hashem, what are you talking about?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_04: No, I'm saying, you know, like you know, whatever his life is, he wants to have a meaningful life beyond making money, obviously.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_04: So and I know I'm thinking about, I know there's times that I could be playful.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_04: And and it's not frivolous.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: But it just seems to me when I was reading this that I I don't know what it is, is is seriousness is a very thin line to atsu.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_04: Let's call it spade a spade.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: Your picture of a litvok is he serious or having fun?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: Now, is he serious about serious things?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_05: Lukhora.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_04: Serious about doing Torah, not to do a Veiras, blah blah blah blah blah.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_04: So he would see a lack of seriousness in the way he lives it as being frivolous.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_04: Which is why when he sees the guys today jumping up and down for 25 minutes on in one place, jumping up and down like like, you know, jack in a boxes, singing and dancing, that they're abyssal off the wall.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's all.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just uh throwing out my um No, I'm I like I said I appreciate you saying.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for sharing.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_05: I hear you.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_04: I'm going to California, but let's not live in.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, I I really do actually see the the mushroom of the king in the field a little bit differently now.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_05: That if the if the king, obviously, in our example that we could put in our heads, if the Rebbe is smiling at you, you're gonna feel uplifted.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_05: You're gonna feel I I don't know if I would have used the word playful or like having fun, but you feel uplifted.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like you you feel expansive, open, like you know, like something is available to you right now.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_05: There's something that you can do.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_04: When you do it in business, yeah.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and we don't have to give away your secrets, we won't say what you do.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: So, but when you're engaged there, you're having fun, so to speak, and you're totally in the flow.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_04: Is it regarding business or is it regarding a void of sham?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_04: Honestly.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's it's a mix, but yes, I do feel when you're out there selling and beating the beating the doors down, you're feeling your connection to the Avish?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I I actually do.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I bow down to you.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_05: You don't have to bow down to me.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's just I happen to see it very much as my shah, so I feel connected when I'm doing a good job in that, like when I'm with it, then yeah, I do feel connected to Hashem during that.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't say do you feel connected to Hashem?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_04: Ask if you're doing a voidashem.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_04: Are you serving God in going out and hunting that you enjoy so much?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:59
  unknown: Yeah.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_05: I I I do I have felt it many times.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if I could tell you it's consistent, but yes.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: And how do you how do you do that?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying when when you contemplate on the fact that this is contemplate?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_05: You're doing your business and you contemplate?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_05: No, I'm saying beforehand, when you're being mismoiden on, first of all, all of the hayomyoms and all of the things that the Rebbe says and the Freedig Rebbe say about businessmen and their schluchis in the world and feeling like a shliach and really actually being I'm talking about the enjoyment of the business.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, not the purpose of the even the enjoyment is that like I am serving Hashem because like this is what I've been created to do.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_05: God willing will.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_04: So what you're saying is when you use the talents that you have, which gives you simcha, yeah, by most people, and one recognizes those talents coming from the source that they do, then there's serving a sham with them.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 31:14
  unknown: Okay.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'm thinking about Rev Zusha's pithy comment that's in uh L L time and Yom Yom as you mentioned, hiom yom.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_04: Which one?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_04: About the thief.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_04: The thief enjoys himself.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um he's using his talents.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_05: So you can say it?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um okay, so we've come to use your talents.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, you know what?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_04: Let's let's give an example.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um he's a painter.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: And he's gonna paint, he loves to paint scenes of trees.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: Trees and lakes.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: So he goes all over the world painting trees and lakes.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: And you're gonna say he's using his talents.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: So he should be Basimcha.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: Even if he's connecting if he's connected to the Abishland, because it's my talents given by God, so I'm serving in what he gave me.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_04: So far, so good?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_04: Does the what's the spectrum between that what I just uh uh depicted and um purpose and influencing the outcome of history and human and the human race and creation.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: What's your question?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_04: My question is because this is part of my struggle.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: So somebody let's say there's someone who's a good poet listening to us tonight.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_04: So they can write poetry.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_04: But the sun and the moon and the stars and the whatever they write about.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_04: And they love it.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: And they have a talent.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_04: So you could we're based on what we're saying, they could be basimcha, they could be playful, they're being themselves.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_04: Do they have to ask the question whether it has any um effect in all of the tahis ha'oilam of creation?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_04: The guy who's gonna teach over a shear in Chasidis or Gomara feels that.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: He's contributing to something that's significant.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_05: I think the answer is yes, but you have to dig deeper to feel that.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_05: Meaning, like you said, with the shear, or if a person who goes into you know something kirdesh as a profession, it's just like okay, like it's easy to see it.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's more apparent.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_05: A doctor would feel it.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_05: I I was even thinking like a sofa, uh you know, whatever.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like somebody who's just involved in like a lot, a uh Shlich has that all the time.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, okay, yeah, fine.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_05: So again, I think it it it's just you have to dig deeper, but ultimately the answer is yes.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that's a big first of all, I think that's an extremely important to like to actually have.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_05: And one of the things that again, not to criticize anything in particular, but the idea of pushing to be a schliach as the end-all be all, versus like if you're in the business world, so therefore you just didn't cut it, or you're just not as holy, or you know, you didn't whatever however you want to phrase it, right?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_05: I think is very misleading to this point that really should be it's gonna be harder, and it's actually exactly the same, but you have to bring it, it's more challenging to bring it out.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_04: So where does that leave us off to this evening?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I'm I'm what I was thinking, I was a little distracted when you were just talking, because I was thinking, what can you how could you use this with the concept of Keshban and Nefesh in owl?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_04: Well, what's the word this?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_05: This idea of simcha and playfulness, um, or even the mission you know oriented the feeling of avoidance of shampoo.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_04: It goes back to what we spoke about last, I think.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_04: And that is aniludoidi vidoidi.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_04: Aniladoidi I am to my beloved implies two things already.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: I love that thing, in this case we're talking about God, and God and I'm to that God that is beloved to me.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 36:46
  unknown: Okay.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_04: Shouldn't that be like the end of El when you fix yourself up and all did you all all your tikan cloy stuff and yeah, I mean that's one of the famous questions about it is Doide Lee is really No, I'm not talking about Doide Lee.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: Aniladoidi.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_05: Or even Aniladoidi.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: Not even, primarily.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_04: How do you start with that?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_04: So that's what we spoke about last time we met.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_04: Aniladoidi is the equation of if I start, the Abishol will respond.
• 37:18
  unknown: Yeah.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_04: But you're forgetting about the actual statement itself.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_04: He's my doidi.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: Well, wait a second.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe at the end of after you fix yourself up.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_04: But we're at the beginning of Elon you're calling him your doidi when you know you're filled with like filled filled with Reshus and filled with evil, and I forget what the man is.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's a joke amongst the people.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_04: So isn't the assumption of Heshband and Efesh that after I add up and tally all my behavior, I'll correct it.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_04: And then I'll be back to even as the Rambam says with Chuba, I'll be back in the right place with God.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: So how do you start off the months calling it Anila Doidi?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: Is that only Aniladoidi is at the end?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_04: That that's the objective.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so what's the answer?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_05: The answer is obviously not because it's from the beginning.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'm assuming it's right from the beginning.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: So what is Kheshbana Nefesh?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: Kheshbin and Nefesh in the end, in the context of what we're talking about, is you don't try to fathom what I should be happy about.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's Kheshbhana Nefesh, the Nefesh, is happy.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_04: And it's kind of interesting.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_04: I'm thinking when when Khsi says Nishama standing in his place, Lamayla, now it has to come down into this world, into a goof gashmi, and it's a gallus pin, you know, it's a gallus.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_04: Is the Nishamah depressed?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_05: Traumatized.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_04: It's traumatized?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_05: I think so.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_04: So then how can you have fun and be playful?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_05: You have to work on it.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_04: But you're telling me Lichatchila, the whole entire process, is a bummer.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_05: True.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_04: True.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: So no wonder we're all not we're all not feeling like Phil Knight thinking this is wonderful.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'm going to make trillions of dollars and I'll be the biggest guy in the shoe business, even bigger than Mr.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_04: Schwartz from New York.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_04: So I we're going to do the same idea.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: Comes, Chasidis, and says the Urida of the Nishramalamata is like a gullus compared to where it was.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_04: And you're saying therefore it should be traumatized.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_04: On the other hand, it says that then when it comes down here, it's Tsurachaliyah for the sake of an aliyah, which is the opposite of trauma.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: Good.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_04: So why don't we hear the playfulness and the fun, so to speak, in that you came down here for an aliyah.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: And instead we hook on to the it's trauma.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if people do I do.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I'm fine, I think, but I think fine, I'm talking to you.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_04: So Okay, I hear that.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so what's Pshat?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_04: The mushal in Chasidis or if it's a not the mushal, the sculpting of the words a Yurid Surachalia.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: So we're focused on taka was a high thing and now it's a Yurida.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_04: But don't worry, right?
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's for the sake of an aliyah.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: That's how we're looking at it.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's wrong.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_04: The whole objective of the statement, Yurida Surah Aliyah, is for you to be in a place of simcha that you're in a place of Aaliyah.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I see that.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_04: Huh.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_04: And because we've been traumatized and gallus, that's why we think the way we do.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_04: Also, we have a war because the other side of us says, give me sushi, give me, you know, the food that's ready to come out at the kiddish, let me do this, let me do this, let me do that, let me have fun, let me have fun in the physical sense.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_04: And then the other stuff is a drag.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: But it's Surah Aliyah, right?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_05: So I hear that.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_04: That's the Keshman of but well, but it gets a little subtle because like I'm looking at the guys in my shoulder.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: They're totally spoken about this before.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_04: They're total foodies.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_04: They love food, they think about food, they cook the food, they pay for the food.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody put it this way.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't it?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_04: This is what he said to me.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_04: You're gonna love this.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_04: If I buy a thousand dollar meatboard for Shabbos, I don't even know what that means.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_04: Whatever.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_04: A$500 meatboard to eat on Shabbos.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_04: And all my friends are gonna say, wow, that was the best meatboard I've ever tasted.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_04: That was so geschmuck.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_04: And not only that, they put out an invitation air of Shabbos on the WhatsApp.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_04: There's gonna be a$500 Chef So-and-so's meatboard, and everyone can't wait to have a taste of this meatboard.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_04: But it's on Shabbos.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_04: And he asks, doesn't it mean that it's holy?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm thinking to myself, I'll be very blunt.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_04: The I'm gonna say it this way.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_04: The Friedka Rebbe writes in a letter.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_04: I was just gonna say it.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_04: Writes in a letter to Havlin, I don't want Chasidim walking around with fat big bellies in the park on Shabbat's afternoon in Safriddin mitzik.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, then what are you going to be?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_04: So does that mean I have to be serious?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: And therefore, therefore, I'm I'm traumatized even in my own service to God because I'd rather be with the$500 meatboard.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_04: But this is the question this person's asking.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, I just see it as a dilemma.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_04: Somehow we have to make that gap smaller and smaller and smaller.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I and and maybe it's maybe I'm traumatized.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe I'm willing to maybe that's your Heshman and Nefesh that you need to do.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_04: And then we go back to the idea that why is it called Keshbin and Nefesh?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's all about your nepesh, not about your trauma.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_05: So the Keshman and Nefesh is the stories and the this and the things that No, not the stories.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying that's covering up the Nefish's natural simcha of you read its oracle.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_04: Well, but it's Aniludoidi.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_04: You start with Aniludoidi.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.