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129. [Florida] Hannah Zehner Brim · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to bluss This messa than true of
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  Speaker 2: That's where that wrapper Florida lives, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, in flow Rider. We this is late. Sorry it's
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  Speaker 2: It's only like seven thirty.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about the episode is late this week.
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  Speaker 1: We had every intention of recording earlier and then we didn't. So,
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  Speaker 1: but the children are cooperating tonight for some reason, they
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  Speaker 1: went to bed. We are busy over here. We're preparing
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  Speaker 1: for our trip to Europe, and I'm just ignoring the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we have to fly with three small children.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just pretending it's not happening until it happens, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But we got all the things set up. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's the baby that's going to be the problem. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the baby's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: She has a screech that goes right through.
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  Speaker 1: You, but only if she doesn't get what she wants,
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  Speaker 1: so I think she'll be okay. So she also is
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  Speaker 1: trying to walk, which is a bit of a problem
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  Speaker 1: for us.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, all of a sudden, just decided nine months old,
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  Speaker 2: I want to start walking.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's eight months old, Steward.
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  Speaker 2: For another couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: No, for more than a couple days, for an entire week,
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  Speaker 1: which is a long time in a baby's life.
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  Speaker 2: So she'll be walking then.
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  Speaker 1: No. I don't know, Stuart, but I'm just saying she's
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  Speaker 1: only eight months old.
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  Speaker 2: And it's going to be a problem because she's trying
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  Speaker 2: to walk.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, she's trying to walk. She's probably gonna learn to
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  Speaker 1: walk in Europe and then be walking when we get
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  Speaker 1: on that plane to come home, and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Even longer walking shoes for her?
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  Speaker 1: She don't need no walking shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Are she supposed to walk with no shoes on a
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  Speaker 2: plane we're going?
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  Speaker 1: I think they have shoes in Europe last I checked.
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  Speaker 1: We get her some little baby Louis Vuton or some
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  Speaker 1: Manolo Blonnix or some Did I say Louis Vuitton, or
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  Speaker 1: did I say what is the thing lou Bouton? Lou Bouton?
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  Speaker 2: Are you talking about daddy? Someons?
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  Speaker 1: No, Stewart, Jesus, what is wrong with you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: They said they bought it at Sam's Club and bulk
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. Gross anyway, so we got that coming up,
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  Speaker 1: So we're packing. I'm going to make stew go to
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  Speaker 1: a pumpkin patch tomorrow. Yeah, I just like to throw
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  Speaker 1: that in there, even on top of all the other things.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna go to a pumpkin patch. But all day
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  Speaker 1: Sunday we pack.
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  Speaker 2: We do nothing but pack, pack and get our house.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, people, anyways, Stewart people, because I have a
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  Speaker 1: I started my Instagram page, if you recall, So people
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  Speaker 1: are gonna know. No, I can't just go silent for
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  Speaker 1: for that long.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I gotta be careful, run around the house
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  Speaker 2: recording shit all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know. I told him what I said.
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  Speaker 1: It's the ABC's. I said, it's the ABC's of content creation,
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  Speaker 1: the ab RS, but that doesn't really make s since
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  Speaker 1: which is always be recording. So it's the ABC's. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm always tossing a camera up on him now, and
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  Speaker 1: he's got to be on he's got to be on
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  Speaker 2: No, I never do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's stupid. I think you're stupid, Stuart.
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  Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? Anyways? All right, so enough
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  Speaker 1: of all that nonsense and we will go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: get into our case out of Florida, flow Rider, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Hannah brim Nay Zayner was born June twenty first, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety two. Her parents were Art and Susan Zayner. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot about Hannah that I could find
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  Speaker 1: her growing up, but she would marry young and she
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  Speaker 1: had a toddler, and then soon after she found herself
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  Speaker 1: pregnant again, but the marriage was falling apart, so she
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  Speaker 1: decides to So she's pregnant, has a toddler, decides to
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  Speaker 1: leave her husband. From what I understand is the toddler
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  Speaker 1: was living with the dad, and Hannah moved out, and
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  Speaker 1: so she's pregnant, moves out and she begins living in
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  Speaker 1: an extended stay motel while pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So her parents seem to be pretty supportive and
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  Speaker 1: everything like that. She just was They said she was
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  Speaker 1: going through a rough time.
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  Speaker 2: So, so who's the new baby daddy?
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  Speaker 1: It's the husband. Is the is the dad?
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  Speaker 2: So he's the father of both.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he's the father of both. She left, so she's
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  Speaker 1: they had the got married young, had had had a baby.
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  Speaker 1: That baby's now a toddler. She gets pregnant again and
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  Speaker 1: that's when she decides they're gonna break up and everything
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  Speaker 1: like that. So they said she was just their parents
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  Speaker 1: said she was going through a hard time. I think
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  Speaker 1: maybe she was just having a like hormonal No, Stuart,
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  Speaker 1: don't you can't say that. Okay, no, not postpartum. She's pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: you dumb ass.
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  Speaker 2: Pre partum.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's part if anything, it would be part of them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh No, I think she just got married young and
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  Speaker 1: she's probably just evaluating her life. Maybe she's thinking, what
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  Speaker 1: if I got myself into and you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know you'd be twenty three this happening to you.
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  Speaker 1: You could also be thirty nine and this is happening
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  Speaker 1: to you. You just don't know. So wondering if you
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  Speaker 1: know one day you have like no kids, next thing
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  Speaker 1: you know you have three.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, what the just leave the house and go
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  Speaker 2: to an extended stay motel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I'm going to an extended stay hotels hotel, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: no motels for me.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of amenities when.
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  Speaker 1: The h becomes an M. So that's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about Hannah and what her situation is. She's found herself
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  Speaker 1: living in this motel.
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  Speaker 2: Not very good, is what you're saying. Yeah. On January
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  Speaker 2: twenty third, twenty sixteen, Hannah's mother, Susan, received a phone
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  Speaker 2: call from the manager at the motel where Hannah was staying.
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  Speaker 2: Hannah was supposed to check out from the hotel the
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  Speaker 2: next day, but the manager had not seen her for
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  Speaker 2: a few days. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it was more of a smaller establishment
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, like the hotels. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like they Yeah, it's more of a small independent one.
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  Speaker 1: So they would have noticed not seeing you know, a pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: a young pregnant lady walking around that they'd seen all
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  Speaker 1: the time. There's probably a little concerned.
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  Speaker 2: How long was she staying there? Do we know?
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  Speaker 1: We don't know, but it was extended.
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  Speaker 2: It was extended. Shut up concerned, He contacted Susan. Susan
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  Speaker 2: became instantly worried because her daughter was five months pregnant,
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  Speaker 2: and she was concerned she could have had a medical issue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that when you're that far along, you.
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  Speaker 2: Could serious at this time of night.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, at this time, it's.
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  Speaker 2: A goddamn mustang. I bet well, is.
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  Speaker 1: This a recording studio, because it's fine. No. So I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna say that we live in like our neighborhood's
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  Speaker 1: gone downhill, that there's cars getting broken into. Somebody's car
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  Speaker 1: got stolen last night. So we're on borrowing time at
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  Speaker 1: this point.
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  Speaker 2: So I just kicked down our door and murders all
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  Speaker 2: in our sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Now that was we're trying to record like ourselves, recording
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  Speaker 1: and the.
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  Speaker 2: Camera fell, but you knocked it over and didn't fall.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get back to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so mom's concern five months pregnant medical issue could
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  Speaker 2: be happening. So Susan began calling Hannah's phone, but there's
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  Speaker 2: no answer. She also called several of Hannah's friends, but
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  Speaker 2: none had seen or heard from her. They decided to
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  Speaker 2: drive to the motel and see if they could find
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  Speaker 2: her themselves or if there were any clues about where
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  Speaker 2: she might be. Upon arriving, they found her that her
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  Speaker 2: car was not in the parking lot. They had a
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  Speaker 2: small amount of relief, thinking that she may have just
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  Speaker 2: gone out to clear her head since she was going
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  Speaker 2: through a hard time. But she's at an extended stay
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  Speaker 2: of motel. Isn't this clearing her head being away from everybody?
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, but maybe she then she has to get.
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  Speaker 2: Away from the hotels and go take a dress. So
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  Speaker 2: they speak to the manager and he agrees to let
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  Speaker 2: them into the motel room. The relief that they had
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  Speaker 2: momentarily quickly went away. All of Hannah's stuff was still
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  Speaker 2: inside her room, toothbrush, toiletry's clothes, charger for her phone,
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  Speaker 2: everything that she would need to be gone for more
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  Speaker 2: than a few hours was still there in the hotel room.
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  Speaker 2: Motel room, they did notice her purse was missing, as
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  Speaker 2: well as her jacket. Susan was sure something bad had
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  Speaker 2: happened to Hannah and they immediately called police to report
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  Speaker 2: her as a missing person.
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  Speaker 1: A family friend who had known the Zaaner family for
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  Speaker 1: years was working as an officer, so he knew Hannah
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  Speaker 1: would not just leave without talking to her mother, So
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  Speaker 1: whenever this call came in to police, he gets word
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  Speaker 1: of it and he's he heads straight out to the
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  Speaker 1: scene and he observed exactly what Hannah's parents had, which
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  Speaker 1: was all of her personal items are there. Her car's gone.
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  Speaker 1: Everything doesn't look like she It's just an odd scene
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  Speaker 1: that her car's gone, but all her stuff is there.
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  Speaker 1: So he did. As he's looking around this motel room,
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  Speaker 1: he did find a small bag that had numbers written inside.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a little leather like makeup pouch type thing,
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  Speaker 1: and the numbers appeared to be a VEN number. So
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  Speaker 1: he decided to run that VEN number just to see,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whose car this was, because it was a
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  Speaker 1: very odd place to have a VEN number written inside,
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  Speaker 1: like he might scribble it down on a piece of
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  Speaker 1: paper or something, but to ride it inside of a
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  Speaker 1: makeup pouch with the permanent marker is very very odd.
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  Speaker 1: So the number came back to a car owned by
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  Speaker 1: Nelson Armis. Now they contacted Nelson and he said that
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  Speaker 1: he was a friend of Hannah's but that he hadn't
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  Speaker 1: seen her in about three or four days and that
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  Speaker 1: he didn't know where she'd gone, and he had no
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  Speaker 1: clue why she would write his VEN number in her bag.
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  Speaker 1: So it's all just still very odd odd to police,
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  Speaker 1: but they're just having to take Nelson at his word.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, they don't even know if they don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if Hannah's truly missing. She might just be
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  Speaker 1: driving around. We don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So they continue questioning her friends and trying to track
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  Speaker 1: her movements. But no one had seen Hannah in the
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  Speaker 1: past few days, and she had not told anyone she
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  Speaker 1: was planning on going on a trip or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: So she'd also been I mean, social media was a
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  Speaker 1: thing in twenty sixteen. They hadn't seen any activity on
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  Speaker 1: her social media or anything, so she'd simply just kind
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  Speaker 1: of vanished without a trace.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as you might imagine, care police are growing increasingly concerned,
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  Speaker 2: I imagine, about about Hannah and feared the worst may
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  Speaker 2: have happened to her. They were frantically looking for any
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  Speaker 2: signs of where she might be. Hannah's parents were quickly
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  Speaker 2: losing hope, but were trying to be positive. No one
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  Speaker 2: had seen or heard from Hannah since January nineteenth. They
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  Speaker 2: contacted the estranged husband as he was the most likely suspect,
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  Speaker 2: of course, and she you know, not from what I heard, No, but.
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  Speaker 1: I heard that fact that for pregnant women, the number
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  Speaker 1: one cause of death or something like that is like
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  Speaker 1: homicide by their spouse or partner.
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  Speaker 2: Who made them pregnant. Yeah, yeah, that is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Hannah, when I'm in danger, whenever I'm pregnant, do
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  Speaker 1: by you?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm in danger by you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, they contacted the husband because Hannah being pregnant
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  Speaker 2: and planning on leaving him seemed like a red flag
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  Speaker 2: that they should question the fellow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When police asked him about his last contact with Hannah,
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  Speaker 2: he said it had been days. He was very upset
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  Speaker 2: about Hannah going missing. He said she was a good
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  Speaker 2: mother and that he always allowed Hannah to see their
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  Speaker 2: son when she wanted. They asked him about his whereabouts
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  Speaker 2: on the day Hannah went missing. He said he was
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  Speaker 2: at home with their toddler and he had no access
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  Speaker 2: to a vehicle that day. They looked into his alibi
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  Speaker 2: and from what they could ascertain, he was telling the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Kara, can I just read this. I looked this up
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  Speaker 1: while you were talking to No, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Going to finish this. No. Hannah's parents were questioned about
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  Speaker 2: the relationship, and they believed that Hannah's husband did love
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  Speaker 2: her and that he had never been violent or angry
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  Speaker 2: with her, Unlike Cara toward Stewart, they truly did not
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  Speaker 2: think he had anything to do with it. Yes, you
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  Speaker 2: can read you can read your stat now, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Homicide is the leading cause of death for pregnant women
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  Speaker 1: in the US. Data shows it says they are more
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  Speaker 1: likely to be murdered than die from medical causes like
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  Speaker 1: preoclampsia or hemorrhaging. What the fuck's wrong with you men? Okay, Stuart?
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  Speaker 2: Are you alive to tell anybody about us after three
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  Speaker 2: babies fell out of you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were just talking. I was just mortified because
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  Speaker 1: I just was thinking of the fact that Stu has
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  Speaker 1: watched three children come out of me, and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, I was embarrassed to be in the room
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  Speaker 1: with him because it's just horrifying. So seeing you like that.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, but I'm my vantage point.
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  Speaker 1: We move on, We move on. So, searching for more leads,
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  Speaker 1: they went back and spoke with Hannah's friends and found
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  Speaker 1: that what seemed to be a friend that hears that
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  Speaker 1: she seemed to be the last person to see her alive.
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  Speaker 1: They saw the person saw her around lunchtime on January nineteenth.
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  Speaker 1: The friend said that they hadn't seen or heard from
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  Speaker 1: her since. They finally received the phone records of Hannah's
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  Speaker 1: and found that her last calls and texts went out
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  Speaker 1: around two thirty six pm that day to a friend
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  Speaker 1: of hers. Now, this woman that she was texting was
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  Speaker 1: a friend from high school that Hannah had recently begun
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  Speaker 1: to hang out with again. So they head over to
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  Speaker 1: her home to talk to her about Hannah because it
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  Speaker 1: seems like she might have been the So we had
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  Speaker 1: the friend that had lunch with her at around noon,
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  Speaker 1: and then at two thirty six pm that same day,
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  Speaker 1: she's texting this friend from high school, so possibly maybe
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  Speaker 1: she's the last one that actually saw her or heard
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  Speaker 1: from Hannah that day. So the woman tells police that
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  Speaker 1: they were planning on going to run errand so Hannah
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  Speaker 1: was going to come pick her up at her house.
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  Speaker 1: And so the girl said that as she was looking
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  Speaker 1: out the window waiting for Hannah to show up, she
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: saw a silver car setting out on the dirt road
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  Speaker 1: near her home. They could live conn out in the
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  Speaker 1: country outside of oh I forgot to mention they're in Gainesville, Florida. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm they're in Gainesville Florida, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: he's like, where the fuck are they? They're in Gainesville, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: So this is this is a home that's you know outside,
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  Speaker 1: more in the country area. So she has a dirt
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  Speaker 1: road that's right out there by her property where she lives,
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  Speaker 1: and so she sees this silver car sitting out there. Well,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: all the car's doors were open, which is odd. So
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: she walks out to see what's going on, and as
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  Speaker 1: she approaches, a white male stood up telling her to stop.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: He yell stop, and he said that they were having sex.
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  Speaker 1: So she feels like so she actually feels more embarrassed
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  Speaker 1: on her part, you know, she's like, oh god, Like
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  Speaker 1: she she turns around and just heads back to her
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  Speaker 1: house because she's like, oh my.
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  Speaker 2: God, how were these people having sexy? Two three o'clock
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  Speaker 2: in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: So after she gets back to the house, she receives
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a text from Hannah canceling their plans. So this is
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: all very strange now, this friend act. She hadn't seen
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Hannah in person in years. They had just started I
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: guess maybe through social media and texting, had started their
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: friendship up again. So she didn't really even know what
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: she drove. So She didn't know if that was her car.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: She didn't know any of it. She just was tooking it,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: taking it at face value. This friend she hadn't talked
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to and seen in person since high school, cancels on
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: her last minute. She's like, Okay, weird situation happening outside
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: my house. There's people living sex, but you know, typical Tuesday.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: So please show her a picture of Hannah's car, and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: she says it looks very similar to the one that
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: she saw parked outside that day, so it's all coming
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: together a little bit more for police.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Police bring the woman in for questioning and she walks
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: them through the day. She really has no other information
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: on the man that she saw, but says as she
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: started hearing the news about Hannah, she was starting to
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: grow concern that maybe the silver car that she saw
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: that day was in fact Hannah's.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: What are these people do they not watch Dateline or anything?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I would be so like up in this all this business.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: If I a friend of mine that was supposed to
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: see me the day that she went missing was in
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the news, what do you know? Yes, I mean you've
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: heard about my time I turned in those people.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, ever heard multiple times yes, did you catch the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: person that stole the Honda Civic last night?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't, But we're on it in the neighborhood group.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been watching the updates about it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I have nobody on the ring cameras well.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: People have been posting it. But the problem is these
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: cameras aren't good enough to actually get any license plate
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: numbers or see anything. Like what is the point of
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the cameras? They can't see They're not clear enough to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: actually see who the person is or anything, especially if
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: they're out in the streets. I'm just hoping because of
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: where we're at on the corner. I don't think anybody
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: we don't normally get any have any problems because.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: There's way too much true, there's way too much.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Traffic going near as you. Guys can probably hear it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: all the time, yes, in the background.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And that's just the stuff that we haven't cut out.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, at some point we just give up murders,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Like if it they could just hear the noise with us.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to put some styrofolm in that one
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: do or something.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Oh after you want to get on chatty, you're and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: tell me to move on, y Jesus Christ. After hearing
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: this story, police are convinced that the man she saw
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: that day is the one that took and harmed Hannah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: While they're continuing to look into the friend of Hannah's
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: into the friend of hands, into the friend of Hannah's story, fringe.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Into the fringe there was supposed to be a common Oh,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: A So the police were looking into Hannah's new friend's
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: story when they received a call from one of the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: original people they had spoken to, Mister Nelson Armis. He
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: was the one with the bin number written in the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: bag of Hannah's makeup bag. I guess or wasn't.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a makeup type bag.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: He tells police that he was actually with Hannah on
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: January nineteenth. He tells police that he had started a
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: relationship with Hannah despite being married.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He basically said that he called back into police
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: because he didn't realize how serious the situation was, so
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: he kind of was keeping whenever they initially talked to him.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: He was obviously not going to divulge all that information
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: because he didn't realize how serious it was that she's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: now it's like, oh shit.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: She's actually there's something happened.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something happened.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's like, I can't be breaking up my marriage
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: over some girl that went shopping.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But now he's like, Okay, I need to be
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: honest with police and tell them what I actually know because.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: If they find out later, it's going to be bad.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Now, he says the last time he saw Hannah was
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: around one pm on January nineteenth. He said he had
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: met her there, but they had an.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Argument at the He met her at the motel.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, met her at the mote tell they had an argument.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: He left, Hannah followed him and begged for him to
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: come back. Now she had followed him. She was in
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: her car following him.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So he's took off on foot because he didn't have
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: a car.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: He's like okay, So he gets in the car. They're
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: driving around. Nelson says that at some point Hannah slapped
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: him and he demanded, he demandaged that she pull over
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and let him out of the car.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had to help ste with that because
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: for some reason his brain stopped functioning. Whenever this portion
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: of the story comes around.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my finger got caught in the wedding ring and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I just stopped thinking after them shut up?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: What is that supposed to mean? What he says, don't
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: even know what that means.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: He says that she did let him out and he
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: began walking back toward Gainesville. And now this was troubling
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: information to police, Yeah, because.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: It they were. They were again out very far outside Gainsville.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: This is not just like a quick like, oh I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just drove right past the city. I'm They're out.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Surprised how far you can walk when you're man?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Well so so because of how far they were him
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: telling him where she dropped him off, they really want
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: him to explain how he was able to get home
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: after being dropped off in the middle off in the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. And so he starts telling them that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: he what, why are you looking at me?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: What? Because we're doing a podcast?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: No, but what were you saying? How far you can
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: walk when you're mad? How far have you walked when
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you were mad?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Women can usually be like a man in the car,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I'm walking, I'd say.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: In our younger relationship, I said that a couple of times,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and you're like, stop being stupid, You're not getting out
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of the car. You know, I'm not. I. I've calmed
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: down quite a bit in our in my as i've
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: gotten older. But I used to be a bit of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I still am a bit of a I go for
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: zero to sixteen sometimes, but I used to do it
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a lot whenever means due first started dating. It's a
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: miracle we're still together.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So I just annoying you.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: There was some trials. There's some trials and tribulations there
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: at the beginning anyway. So I never actually got out
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of the car though.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if I would have pulled over
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and lunch shat, you would have just a purple point.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe you should have, but you were like, you're not.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: You weren't gonna do that because it was unsafe. Okay,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: So back home? Oh so how he got back home
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: after he was dropped off, And he says that he
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: hitchhiked he where he could, so he got as far
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: as he could, and then it was about the last
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: thirteen miles. You know, we could have lied better. The
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: last thirteen miles he walked. And so they're trying to
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: figure out this story of his So they pull up
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: his phone records and find that he was back home
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: just to two hours after he said he left Hannah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So even at a very fast pace.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Man, he ran like a half marathon in two hours.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: He would have had it would have taken him four
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: hours just to walk, just to walk the thirteen miles,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: not including the hitchhiking thing that he's got going on. Yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I think marathon runners can run a marathon in like
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: two hours, but this.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Fella, well that was a half marathon. He's good.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So so anyway, so they're really starting to question
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: his whole timeline and everything. They also find out when
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: cross referencing Hannah's phone activity with his, they find that
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: her activity stopped at the same time that he says
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he was with her, so all cell phone activity. They
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: continue to press Nelson for a reason for all the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: time discrepancies, and he just doesn't have a good response. Now,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: while Nelson was at the police station, Hannah's friend was
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: there also answering some more questions. Now she actually it
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: was just by a happened chance. She she happened chance
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: or happenstance.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Happenstance, Okay, it happened. Good God, What have I done
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to myself?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like happen chance is a better a better term, now,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: just stop by a happenstance. She's leaving and she passes
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: by Nelson and she immediately recognizes him as the man
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that she saw outside her home the day that Hannah disappeared.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Which also, I was watching some show and this happened,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and it can cause the witness to be unreliable, they're saying,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: because it's like they're they saw someone at the police
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: station and then they just their brain connects the two,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you know, and it it what's the word influences there, uh,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: what they remember and stuff. So I don't know if
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: this was allowed in a quarter off that this whole
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: thing happened. But what was most important to police was
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that she did recognize Nelson as the guy that she
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: saw that said stop, we're having sex. So with this information,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: police confront Nelson and he continues to deny any involvement. Now,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: without any more information, police must let Nelson go. But
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: at this point they're, you know, this is their guy,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: like they've got they just need more evidence to connect
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: him to Hannah's disappearance. Not to mention they still don't
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: know where Hannah is. They don't have a body. They
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: don't have anything, So they start looking more into Nelson
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: and they go to his social media and they found
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: where he commented on a girl's post talking about how
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: he had hung out with her that evening or something
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: referencing that. So they go and speak to this girl
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and she says that she saw him at the Walmart
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that night around nine pm. This is the January nineteenth,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the last time they know anyone saw Hannah. So they
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: pull the Walmart security photos up. It's always the Walmart
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: securities that gets people. Why do people go to Walmart?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: They evidently got better cameras than we got in our neighborhood.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, Like, I don't know why everybody goes to the Walmart.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: It's the one place that definitely has lots of cameras.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: That's where you got to buy your post murder supplies at.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they yeah, So they they pull up the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Walmart security cameras and they see Nelson entering the Walmart.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: They then look at the camera footage from the parking
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: lot and they find that he is driving Dun Dun duh,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a silver car now just like Hannah's. However, he doesn't
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: leave in this car, so he pulls up in the car,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: parks it, walks into the walmart and then leaves. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: he leaves in another car. Someone comes and picks him
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: up in an El Camino. Nice, So that car, the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: silver car sits there for four days, and then finally
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the guy in the El Camino he comes back and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I believe he was with Nelson, and they come and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: they pick up that silver car and they drive it off.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Now, the El Camino, which is a car that wants
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to be a truck, was a distinct car, and they
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: were able to track it down to the owner. They
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: speak to him and he says that Nelson had asked
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: him to take the car to the salag yard with
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: specific instructions to crush the car when they were done
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: stripping it for parts.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're going to pick somebody to do to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: come with you to pick up the car, why would
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you pick someone who has an El Camino, Like pick
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a more you're talking about, No, a car that's not
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: notice Yes, I mean they can literally run El Camino
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: for the city and probably come up with two people.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah in twenty sixteen, Yeah probably.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Now police head to the scrapyard and they were able
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to get to the car before it was even stripped
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: for parts. They tested the vehicle and they found blood
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: in the trunk which matched Hannah's. At this point, police
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: knew that Hannah was gone. Now, with all this evidence,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: they go to Nelson's home with the search warrant. In
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the backyard, they find burn piles with car mats and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: clothing that had been burned. They bring him back in
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: for questioning, but he is still not admitting to what
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: he Obviously did you think he did?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: All this evidence and he's still like, oh, I don't know.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't have And they're like, dude, there's we have
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the burn piles in your backyard with the floor mats.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Oh well that's It's like, come on, you're not even
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: good at this.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: No, thirteen miles and two hours coming.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: What a dumb ass.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Now he asks for a lawyer and he stops talking.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Probably best for him, he's an idiot.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, police are preparing to arrest Nelson and charge him
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: with Hannah's murder. When they received another tip about the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: location of the murder weapon. Nelson told someone that he
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: threw a knife out on the side of the road.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Police go to this site and they find a blood
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: covered knife.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: You know, who tells someone that? And he also runs
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: his mouth all the time. Who goes and tells someone
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that they that I disposed of a knife criminals?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Is stupid. Now, with this additional information, Nelson is arrested
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: while in jail awaiting his earring. He starts talking to
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: other inmates because, like Kara said, he can't quit right
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: in his fucking mouth. So Nelson is in jail telling
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: these other inmates what he has done. He hasn't even
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: gone to trial yet.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: No, he's just sitting in the county jail right.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Just sitting in county waiting on a here he's up.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Basically on an episode of Locked Up. Okay, that's what
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: they film before they even get to the prisons.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: So you got all these other inmates looking for a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: way to plea out.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, or some of them might not even be like
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of them get pulled up
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: on charge, like brought in on charges and then they're dropped.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So these guys are just maybe just sitting in there.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: These are not hardened criminals that are in prison that
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: have been convicted and are in their like lifers or anything.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: These are just could be old regular Joe got picked
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: up for use in public.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Or or somebody's in there for a burglary at charge
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: that could get him some serious time. And he's like, hey,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I he cooked me up. I'll tell you about what
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: this dude told me.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's this guy's an idiot. He has not
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: watched any anything, and.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: He's worried about his wife finding about him having sex
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: with Hannah.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's also just a strange situation that I
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: just I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: the fact that he the guy is having relations do relations, yes,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: with Hannah who is five months pregnant, so she's.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: With another pregnant at this point.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: With another man's baby, and or is it and vice versa.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming it's we don't know for you, Well,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: we don't know for sure, so I'm it's it's a strange,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it's all around strange situation. And so I'm I now
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: see you. I mean, he he is panicky that his
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: wife's gonna find out, because if she finds out, she's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: really gonna be pissed. Because this is even like weirder
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: than just a normal affair.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Some people like to get the freak one.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I know based on that last episode we did
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: about the not the not, the one before, the one
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: before with the husband pimping out his wife on the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: on the Craigslist and driving men around the in the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: mini van and.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Stuff while they're getting it on in the back there's people.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: That are no, there's like guys that are into like
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: pregnant women's doew, That's what I hear. So I'm sure
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: there's an only fans dedicated to that. I'm sure there's
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a whole porn hubs section dedicated here.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: In a couple of months, we'll start one for you.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, what is wrong with you?
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: So, getting back to where we were, Stude tell me,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: so he's talking to all these inmates and everything, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: he tells one that how he killed Hannah. He says
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: that he stabbed her in the neck, and then I mean,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: just horrific how he's talking about this. But he says
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that he dismembered her body and then tried to burn her.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: That's what happened in the backyard, and then when that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: didn't work, he decides to take and dispose of her
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: somewhere else. He tells the inmate that Hannah, like what
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: we suspected was threatening to tell his wife about the affair,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: because obviously, if he's leaving her and she's upset how
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: she was chasing him down, she's probably gonna throw anything
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: out there, like can you leave me, I'm telling your wife.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I'm telling your wife, you know, trying to get him
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to come back and stay. So he says, that's when
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: he orse that's why she wrote the VEN number apparently
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: down she got the VEN number out of his car.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I guess to have some sort of proof that she
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: was with, you know, like she could say, if I
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't really telling the truth that I was with your husband,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: how would I have his VEN number?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Because it's on the windshoulder of be in a car.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: You can go in there and look on the dash.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, well start, I don't know. I'm guessing that's just
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: what she was thinking. I don't fucking know.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: So then he says he snaps and he kills her.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: She's twenty three. She probably doesn't know. I mean I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: didn't know either. Sometimes you got to open the door.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: You just got the door, You just got the VIN
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: number off my jeep, and you had to open the door,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: so shut the fuck up. So anyway, so you eat Stewart.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: So anyway, So he says that he snaps and he
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: kills her as she's since she's threatening to out him
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: off of this affair. He then tells the inmate where
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: he disposed of her body. So the inmates again, ticket
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: ticket out of jail. I'll show you where the body is.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you he dropped this grand larceny, this auto
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: theft or whatever you got.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I just told that Hanta Civica, that neighborhood. I will
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: tell you where that body is and if you will
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: let me out. So he tells them where they're at,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: where he said the general area was, and so because
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: it's out in the woods, they head out to that location.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: It does take them two days, but they do find
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Hannah's body lying near some standing water near a bridge,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and they are able to confirm that it is her
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: through DNA testing. So this sob killed a pregnant woman,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: viciously stabbing her over an affair, and then goes and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: runs his mouth and like just nothing makes sense. He's
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a he's a monster. So in August of twenty nineteen,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Nelson Armis went on a two week trial, and after
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: just six hours of deliberating, they found him guilty of
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: first degree murder and he was sentenced to life in prison.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised he didn't get hit with the You know
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of times when they're pregnant or something, they'll
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: get hit with two.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm surprised they didn't get the death penalty in Florida.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I know, I guess because they're saying because he said
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: he snapped, and so it's a different you know, like
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: it's not premeditated.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I got him on first grade martyr.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think there's two different things.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You think we should know this stuff by now to
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: do this for so many years, but we don't. We don't.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: That would take some effort in.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Mind, I guess we would have to know different state laws, yes,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and different what would necessitate a death penalty?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they have to have premeditation for
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the death penalty. I feel like and it sounds like.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it sounds like the heinous crimes even
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: if it didn't premeditated, would.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: You well, I'm just surprised they didn't warranted knocking with
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: two two murder charges. But anyways, all right, so that's
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: our case out of Florida this week. STU, do you
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: have a yell need Jesus?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I got one. It's a lovely one. For
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: arrested in car insurance scam. Clearly a human in a
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: bear suit Florida, not Florida.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, not Florida.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: For arrested in California.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I about to say there's no bears in Florida. I mean,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: not those kind of bears, if you know what I made.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Oh they got bears in Florida.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: What they don't.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's black bears in Florida's I.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Was talking about, like the bears, like the the.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Ones that decadence.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the what are they on the what are the bears?
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: The otters and the stars? I don't know.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Whatever Modern Families.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Said coming to us from USA today by Natalie Alone.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: We screwed that up. I'm sure.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I did. Alundy A Lund, I don't know.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: November fourteenth, twenty twenty four. So this just happened. Officials
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: arrested for people in California this week after state investigators
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: said they committed insurance fraud by claiming an animal damaged
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: their vehicles, when in reality it was someone wearing a
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: bear costume. Yes. Los Angeles area residents Reuben Tamrazane Okay
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: twenty six, Arrarat Chick Hardword thirty nine by Hey Mura
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Hardword thirty two, and al Fia Zuckerman thirty nine each
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: charged with insurance fraud and conspiracy in connection to reported scam.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: The state the Department of Insurance announced that's a lot
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of stuff the state agencies in the investigation began after
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: an insurance company suspected a fraud earlier this year. According
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to a news release, the suspects told their insurance company
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: that a bear entered their vehicle and caused interior damage
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to the vehicle of their Honda Civic.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's all coming full circle.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were trying to uh, trying to get you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: two thousand dollars in reimbursement.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, actually told me that they act stole the Honda
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Civic here, and you were like, yeah, it's those are
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: really I.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Was making that up because this is actually a twenty
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: ten rolls Royce Ghost, which I think at twenty twenty
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: four is worth about three hundred and fifty grand or something.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Like that and had what year was this, twenty ten? Wow? Okay,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: so yeah, we're probably talking about two hundred and eighty
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars car at least.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I saw one of those driving down the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: interstate one time, headed towards report, and I was thinking,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: what are they doing?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Just driving going to the thing? Yeah, I'd prefer a
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Rolls Royce Phantom, but the ghost looks kind of nice.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: So anyway, they caused interior damage to the vehicle on
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: January twenty eighth in the Lake Arrowhead, Very Nice Place,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: an unincorporated community in the San Bernardino Mountains. The suspects
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: also provided video footage to the insurance company, which showed
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: the alleged bear in the vehicle. According to the news release,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: upon further scrutiny of the video, the investigation determined that
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the bear was actually a person in a bear costume.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Detectives found two more insurance claims with two different insurance
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: companies from the suspects, with the same date of loss
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the same location. Each claim involved two vehicles, a twenty
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: fifteen Mercedes G sixty three and a twenty twenty two
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Mercedes E three fifty, and the suspects also allegedly used
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: a bear costume to make it look like a bear
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: also entered and damaged those vehicles.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Did they take pictures or videos of the person?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I just told you that the video, and I saw
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: you looking at your phone while they're doing it.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry. I'm not sorry, but I feel
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: like that's what you got to say.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: They also reportedly provided video footage to the other insurance
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: companies in connection to those claims. To prove it was
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: not actually a bear in the video, the state agency
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: had a biologist from California Department of Fish and Wildlife
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: review the three bear videos. The biologist, investigators reported, determined
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: it was clearly a human in a bear suit.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: You know what, They probably cost him more to rent
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: out this biologist from whatever per hour, But they were like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you know what, we're trying to prove it point here.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to prove a point. Detectives then obtained
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: a search warrant and during the search of the suspects home,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: found a costume bearsuit. Officials arrested all four suspects on Wednesday.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: According to the release, insurance companies lost nearly one hundred
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and forty two thousand dollars due to fraud allegedly committed
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: by the suspects. Glendale Police Department, California Highway Patrol assisted
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Sam Bernadido prosecuting pending court dates. Not
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: immediately known whether the suspects have obtained attorneys. So if
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: you're an attorney and you want to go into the
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: courtroom and listen to this foolishness.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: But why they were in jail though, They sat next
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: to a man who completely divulged his entire crime and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: now they're using that to get out. Yes, just kidding,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: but that's how dumb are Yes, all right, well that
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: is our y'all need Jesus and our case, and we're
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: gonna go watch this Mike Tyson thing that finally Netflix
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: needs to get it together though, because it's like Buffer
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and real bad in there. I mean it looked like
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I took my contacts out when they're trying when they're
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: doing this stuff, Netflix is like, this was your big
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: moment and you're screwing it up.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I know, it says frustrating, like back in the day
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: when you're trying to watch porn on.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Dial right, what is wrong with you? What is wrong
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: with you? All right, we gotta go. All right, well
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: we may We're not gonna have an episode. We may
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: have an episode next week. We're not sure. But check
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: out check out the page and you can see check
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: out the Instagram and stuff and you can see. Yeah,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: when to rob our house. Look, there's still vehicles anyways
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: do it doesn't matter anyway, So I guess we will
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: see you next time. By everyone, say bye Stu bye.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: You know it's bad purstage shots. Find nothing else.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: It's working and my hands bringing and burning and a
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: stick of it's worrying
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Things I can'