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Break Into Acting | Talent Agent Jason Lockhart | Insider Tips · The Demia Avery Show

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  Oh, living out the movie dream.
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  Oh, [music] baby, yeah.
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  Dream.
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  >> Hello everyone. This is Demia Avery with
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  the Demia Avery Show, The Industry. And
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  you guys, I have such a special treat
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  for you. He's been in the industry for
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  more than 25 years as an actor,
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  award-winning writer, and director. He's
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  a best-selling author, and now he's
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  guiding many actors in their careers.
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  He's the president, co-owner, and head
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  of TV and film at Atlanta Models and
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  Talent, host of Talent Agent Talk, and
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  he's never been afraid to tell actors
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  what they really need to hear about the
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  business. Today, we're talking about how
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  the industry is changing, where the
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  opportunities are, and what actors need
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  to know right now. Please welcome the
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  amazing Jason Lockhart. Welcome.
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  >> Well, thank you. Thank you for having me
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  on your show.
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  >> [laughter]
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  >> You're so welcome. You're so welcome.
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  So, okay, we're going to start out here.
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  Now, you literally grown up in the
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  industry. You started as a child actor
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  and have since been, like I said, a
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  writer, director, filmmaker, and an
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  agent. When you look back, what do you
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  understand about the business now that
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  you
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  you know, that you understood when you
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  were auditioning?
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  >> I mean, the biggest thing I see is how
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  many moving parts this industry has.
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  And it's really easy as an actor to
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  forget that you're just one of the parts
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  because it's all about your audition and
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  your face and your close-up and your
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  lines and your moment, you know, your X
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  to hit.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And um
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  after all these years, I really realized
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  that when you can completely forget all
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  of that
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  and that you're just one of the many
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  parts of the machine,
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  >> Right.
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  >> there's this huge pressure and stress
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  that kind of disappears. And at the same
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  time, you realize I'm just here to help
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  make sure everything's working.
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  >> Right.
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  >> And then you're serving and you're
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  giving. It's just a a mind-blowing
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  difference in the success I see with the
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  actors that understand that psyche. And
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  I've definitely learned it and seen it.
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  >> Yeah. Now, you've been in LA and now um
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  in Atlanta and you watched the Southeast
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  become this major production hub. What
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  are you seeing happen in Atlanta right
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  now that excites you about where the
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  industry is going?
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  >> You know, after the pandemic, Atlanta
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  was one of the first to really bounce
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  back, if you remember, it kind of in the
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  fall of 2020.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> And then I feel like we kind of went
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  through a slow season again with an
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  abrupt stop with the SAG-AFTRA strike in
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  2023, and it's taken a lot longer for
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  the industry to bounce back from that
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  until like the full budget um numbers
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  that we were seeing in in in production
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  and square footage being rented here in
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  the city and then the Southeast in
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  general.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> Um
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  but it's slowly coming back and I'm
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  really excited right now in this fall of
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  2026.
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  Um we went from four or five projects a
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  few months ago to
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  to double digits. You know, there's
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  there's a new movie, a new full-budget
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  movie
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  every few days on the breakdown and
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  another brand new show with numerous
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  episodes ready to order to series.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> And um I'm seeing really talented actors
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  book things because they were ready.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> You know, these actors during the slow
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  times, they weren't sitting around
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  complaining that it was slow.
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  You know, they were updating their
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  materials.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> They were in class.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> They were They were reorganizing
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  everything that they were doing to to
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  stay ready. And now that it's Now that
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  guns are firing, like they're they're
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  really ready for it.
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  >> Yeah, I love that. And I'm so glad to to
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  hear that. And that was one of the
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  things that I know that we like to teach
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  over at the Avery agency is that Okay,
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  so right now everything might be a
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  little slow, but this is the time that
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  you need to to hone everything in and
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  and perfect as much as you can and and
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  do all the things that you may have not
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  had time for when everything was was
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  booming like that, you know?
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  >> Yeah, now you can just got to Now you
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  just got to crush auditions.
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  >> That's right.
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  Now as the president and head of TV and
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  film at AMT, you're looking at actors
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  from an agent's perspective every day.
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  So what makes someone jump out at you
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  before they have the big resume or
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  recognizable name?
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  >> It's funny you say that because I was
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  just having this conversation with
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  people in in real life, too. Um I think
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  there are two things that I that I
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  really look for or that I notice right
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  away.
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  Um one is just extreme extreme unique
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  talent.
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  So what do I mean by that? I mean talent
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  that is unique to something that I don't
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  see all day every day.
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  Uh something about it is memorable or
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  interesting or quirky or different to
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  me. It's unique.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Uh and also unique to my roster. So they
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  are uniquely talented to people that are
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  already in my life that I'm already
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  working hard and trusting that I'm
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  putting them
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  forward first.
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  >> Right.
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  >> You know? So that uniquely talented
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  person and then two,
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  at this point in my career, I want to
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  work with people who are genuinely kind.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> And I know that that is a tall order,
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  but it is one that that I absolutely
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  love to fill
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And to find because there's nothing
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  better than stamping the AMT logo onto
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  an actor's resume and sending them out
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  into the world and just knowing that
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  whoever they meet, they're going to
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  they're going to impress with their
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  chill, kind attitude.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And, you know, I know that, you know,
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  we run into to tough clients all the
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  time and, you know, situations where
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  egos
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  run, you know, run the the roost and all
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  this crap, but
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  at this point in my career, like, that's
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  something I'm very adamant about is
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  finding these people who are uniquely
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  talented and they're just a good, kind
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  person who needs help. And that's
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  someone who I'm willing to bring on and
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  hustle for for free until they make a
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  dollar.
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  >> Ooh, I love that. I love that. And it
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  does make so much of a difference to
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  work with someone that is genuine, you
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  know, genuinely that way instead of
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  always with opposition. You know what I
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  mean?
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  >> Yeah, I mean, in a way, clients can make
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  our lives easier. You know, they can
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  certainly make it harder, but they can
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  also make it easier.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah. Now, actors hear so much
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  advice, okay? They always hear, "Get new
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  headshots. Take another class. Post
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  more. Network more. Get more footage."
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  What do you think actors spend way too
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  much time worrying about or what should
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  they be worrying about?
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  >> That's a great question. I think actors
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  spend a lot of time worrying about who's
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  going to get the audition that they're
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  auditioning for.
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  >> Ooh, yeah.
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  >> And I don't think I've ever said that on
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  a podcast or at a showcase or panel or
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  anything, but I I really think it's
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  true. I think
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  there are very famous phrases around
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  the, you know, the line along the lines
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  of like, "Do the audition and then
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  forget about it."
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> You know, everybody loves to talk about
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  that, but how many people actually
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  preach and practice that? I feel like
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  very few. I think most people are very
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  concerned with how many people they're
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  up against, who else they might be up
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  against, who's their competition for
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  their this role.
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  Are they going to stand out? Did they
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  make the right choice? Is it already
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  cast? Is it going to a name? Like
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  there's just so many things that people
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  worry about other than just
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  doing the best they can and actually
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  moving on.
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  >> Yeah, because I mean it's there's no way
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  that you can predict who who's going to
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  audition before you, how they did,
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  whether they did well or whether they
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  they didn't do that great, who's better
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  than you, who has your look. I mean,
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  that First of all, that's a lot of
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  pressure.
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  >> Right.
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  >> [laughter]
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  >> That's a lot of pressure, but it's also,
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  you know, it can be just stressful in
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  general instead of just going in there
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  and do the very best that you yourself
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  can can do, correct?
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  >> Correct. It's a lot of time spent, and
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  time is precious.
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  >> That's right.
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  >> You know, all of that precious time
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  could be spent another way that
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  absolutely brings fruitful, positive
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  time and energy.
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  >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, let's talk
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  about something that I know that you're
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  excited about because I've seen some of
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  your posts and I know that you've been
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  excited about this, the vertical
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  division.
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  So, what made you guys decide that this
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  was important enough to create a
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  dedicated division instead of treating
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  vertical projects as just another
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  passing trend?
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  >> Um well, it really did kind of start
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  small and it was kind of annoying cuz we
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  were doing all the big budget stuff.
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  Then it was like, who wants to work on
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  something for 200 a day or less, you
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  know, not us. Nobody did. But then as
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  things got really slow, it was kind of
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  like, well, what am I supposed to do?
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  Everyone's hungry, I'm hungry. There's
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  all this random cheap food out there.
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  You know, like, should we go should we
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  go taste it? And we're like, taste it.
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  We're like, well, it
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  it's kind of fulfilling.
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  Um let's look for the positives in this
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  because it's in abundance. And so that's
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  what we did. We looked for the positives
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  in it. And there were a lot of good
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  people behind the scenes and some
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  like-minded conversations. And so we
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  said, "Let's just give this a shot and
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  see what we can do." And we have I can
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  say that it's been a really positive
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  adventure. You know, we've learned a
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  lot. We we've definitely um
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  put our our foot down on some
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  contractual issues that we didn't think
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  were strong or comfortable or protecting
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  the actor. And so that was some good
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  That was some good progress. And we we
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  met a lot of really great actors that we
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  might not have brought onto the roster
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  because our roster was full. Um but they
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  were really sweet and lovely and wanted
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  to get in through this division and it
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  was a really cool way to kind of like
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  get their feet in. And I really like
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  some of these new clients and and I'm
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  rooting for them and watching them taste
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  success.
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  >> Right.
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  >> All that being said that, you know,
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  the vertical micro drama
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  series as a whole seems to be slowing
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  down a lot except for the Los Angeles
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  market.
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  >> Right.
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  >> And seems to be,
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  you know, replaced by AI is kind of
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  happening.
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  >> And that's something.
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  >> So.
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  So I don't know how how fruitful it's
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  going to be in the future. Um but it was
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  it's been nothing but a a really
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  educational and positive experience for
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  us.
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  >> Well, that's also coming from, you know,
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  the agent standpoint. But as for actors
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  who still not quite sure where verticals
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  fit into their career, what would you
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  want them to understand about the
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  opportunities, the money, you know, and
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  that may be in that space?
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  >> Well, what I think's interesting about
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  that space is that it's a very specific
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  medium. You know, it's kind of um
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  melodramatic, a little soapy, a lot of
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  that acting, and a lot of tropes.
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  Um but what's cool about it is they they
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  don't care what you've done, you know,
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  as an actor. They don't care about your
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  resume. They're going to let you read
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  for the lead if you look like the lead.
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  Or they're going to let you read for a
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  role that works six days.
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  You know, and I saw a lot of actors on
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  our roster who auditioned for big stuff
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  for years and eventually book one line,
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  you know, eventually book two lines, and
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  here they're playing the President of
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  the United States.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Working five days, and and maybe they're
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  only making 350 bucks a day, but they're
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  making 350 bucks a day times five days
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  doing something they love to do in a big
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  role, and it's not just like theater
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  down the street.
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  >> That's right.
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  >> You know, it's still in that medium of
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  film and television, and I've seen a lot
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  of actors have a really good time
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  digging their claws into these fun
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  characters, and kind of getting to play
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  as an artist with no worries.
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  >> Well, that also gives them a lot of
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  experience and and even more practice
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  for something that's going to come
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  bigger because that now they have that
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  opportunity to to sink their teeth into
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  something they probably
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  thought that maybe they wouldn't have
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  gotten any, you know, any way else.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> Exactly. Exactly.
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  >> And so,
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  I wanted to get into definitely wanted
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  to get into the book that you wrote, Ask
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  an Agent, and you've done more than
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  you've done that more than 100 episodes
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  of Talent Agent Talk. So, clearly you've
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  heard just about every actor question
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  imaginable. So, what's something actors
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  still seem to misunderstand about the
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  actor-agent
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  relationship in your opinion?
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  >> I I think a lot of actors still do
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  still do
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  um
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  they put an agent
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  into a lot of
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  important positions in their world.
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  And by doing that, it can be stressful
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  on the agent a little bit. Um I don't
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  feel like that really happens with our
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  clients anymore because we've been so
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  transparent
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  in a parental kind of warm way.
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  Um but I do think, you know, for my for
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  my time in evol-
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  my evolution as an agent,
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  um I used to really feel like I was
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  their therapist and their lawyer and
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  their publicist.
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  And those are three separate careers and
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  three separate salaries and three
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  separate, you know, that including the
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  agent, that's four separate
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  you know, um
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  avenues of of payment that a human
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  should have if you're hiring all of
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  these kinds of people, not just put it
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  all into one who works for free on
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  commission only.
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  >> Right.
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  >> Um
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  so I think that's one of the biggest
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  things that I I think actors could
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  educate themselves even more on
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  SAG-AFTRA rules and behind-the-scenes
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  information so that they aren't relying
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  on anyone other than
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  themselves to run their business and or
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  research and and knowledge and study,
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  you know. Uh so that would be like my my
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  biggest thing. That's one of the things
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  that I I love when I I meet a new actor
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  who wants to get into the agency and
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  they mention my book and that they read
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  my book and I already think, "Wow, like
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  at least you understand how I work."
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Because if we're going to work together,
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  I have a very short period of time here
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  to zoom with you and try to figure out
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  if I think I'm going to be a good fit
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  for you, but maybe you'll know if we're
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  a good fit in advance.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Now, you
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  represent talent through some major
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  changes in this business. What's if in
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  your opinion, what's an old school, I
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  guess old school industry rule or piece
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  or piece of career advice that you think
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  just doesn't work anymore?
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  >> Um what doesn't work anymore?
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  I mean, people can hate me for saying
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  this, but like, I think it's really hard
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  to be like,
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  you know, I'm guest star only.
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  I think if you've been a series regular,
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> sure. You know, if if you've made a
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  million dollar, even if you've made a
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  couple hundred thousand as an actor and
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  you want to be like, I'm guest star
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  only.
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  Um, but if you haven't worked in 2 years
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  and you've only made $40,000 as an actor
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  total,
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  like, because you've got three co-stars
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  and you're you're now guest star only
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  and that is how you're going to get to
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  guest star, I think that is the
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  old-school mentality.
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  >> Got it.
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  >> There's nothing wrong with being guest
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  star only.
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  I think I think the old-school
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  mentality, that's what it is. It's
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  saying, I'm going to be guest star only
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  until I book a guest star.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah.
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  >> I just don't think that's the way it
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  works anymore.
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  There's not enough food out there
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  to be able to say, I only eat filet
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  mignon.
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  >> Right. Right. Right. And you got it.
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  Sometimes you just got to eat something
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  else, T-bone.
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  >> There's There's some other really good
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  stuff out there that will keep you alive
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  and then you'll absolutely get that
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  filet, you know, because you'll be
• 16:34
  well-fed as opposed to all the other
• 16:35
  people who are still starving.
• 16:37
  >> Yeah. Yeah. So true. Now, you have
• 16:40
  accomplished so much in your career,
• 16:42
  both in the creative side, the business
• 16:44
  sides of entertainment. Are you working
• 16:46
  on anything right now that you're
• 16:48
  excited about personally? Not just
• 16:50
  president of the agency, but but Jason
• 16:53
  himself.
• 16:55
  >> Um, I did get to kind of take like a
• 16:57
  6-week mini sabbatical this year and
• 16:59
  direct a feature film.
• 17:00
  >> Oh, nice.
• 17:01
  >> And that was, um,
• 17:04
  it started with a very very bizarre text
• 17:07
  message that led to a phone call
• 17:10
  and I I threw my hat in the ring and I
• 17:12
  interviewed like everybody else and they
• 17:14
  were crazy enough to to me, so I went
• 17:15
  and did it.
• 17:17
  And um
• 17:18
  it was a it was quite the challenge, but
• 17:21
  it was uh to do that and balance AMT and
• 17:23
  balance everything else in the world.
• 17:26
  But it's really great to wear a
• 17:27
  different hat in this industry for even
• 17:29
  a short phase, you know, for a short
• 17:31
  chapter, cuz it just makes you
• 17:33
  appreciate all of the other chapters and
• 17:36
  all of the other people. And then I just
• 17:37
  love
• 17:38
  you know, I just love that I get to get
• 17:40
  up every day and help actors get onto
• 17:42
  sets knowing what it was like to be one
• 17:44
  on myself for 6 straight weeks.
• 17:45
  >> Yeah. I love that, too.
• 17:48
  Now, you spent more than 25 years
• 17:51
  watching people try to build their
• 17:52
  careers in the industry. When you see
• 17:54
  somebody that's actually making the
• 17:56
  transition from trying to become a
• 17:59
  working actor to really having a career,
• 18:02
  what usually change for them in in your
• 18:05
  opinion?
• 18:07
  >> Part of it is just their confidence,
• 18:08
  which usually comes with that first like
• 18:10
  booking or two.
• 18:12
  We see these really talented people come
• 18:13
  in with these great headshots and a reel
• 18:15
  filled with student films and web series
• 18:17
  or whatever, and they just they're
• 18:19
  auditioning for like 6, 7 months, but no
• 18:21
  big network, you know, or streamer has
• 18:23
  hired them.
• 18:24
  And desperation starts to crawl in and I
• 18:27
  don't know what happens. They just they
• 18:29
  start to not believe that they can do it
• 18:31
  or that why are they doing this?
• 18:33
  >> Right.
• 18:34
  >> But then I see this huge shift.
• 18:37
  And it's when people start to book two,
• 18:40
  three little jobs. All of the sudden
• 18:43
  their auditions look better because they
• 18:45
  look easier and it's this quiet
• 18:48
  confidence that they have. They're not
• 18:49
  cocky. They don't think they're suddenly
• 18:51
  a star. They just like, "Okay, this does
• 18:53
  pay off sometimes."
• 18:55
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 18:56
  >> You know?
• 18:57
  And what's interesting is people will
• 18:59
  say all the time like and they'll say to
• 19:01
  me and their agent like
• 19:03
  "I've got this booking and it's coming
• 19:04
  out. Like how do we use this as
• 19:05
  momentum?"
• 19:07
  And it's like they've got two lines on
• 19:09
  an HBO show.
• 19:10
  >> Yeah.
• 19:10
  >> "How do we use this as momentum?"
• 19:12
  I can tell every casting director in the
• 19:14
  world this actor has two lines on this
• 19:17
  new HBO show, so you should hire them
• 19:19
  immediately on something else.
• 19:21
  >> Mhm.
• 19:22
  >> And that's just not the way that
• 19:24
  momentum actually works.
• 19:25
  >> Right.
• 19:26
  >> I think actors often compare momentum
• 19:29
  with that of like an A-list star. Like
• 19:32
  the lead in Obsession now has momentum
• 19:35
  because Obsession was such a big deal.
• 19:37
  She has real momentum
• 19:39
  >> Right.
• 19:40
  >> to book something else offer only with a
• 19:42
  good price tag.
• 19:44
  >> Yes.
• 19:45
  >> But if you're not talking at that level
• 19:47
  of momentum
• 19:49
  here's the secret, actors.
• 19:52
  You create that momentum yourself.
• 19:55
  >> Yeah.
• 19:56
  >> And it's just really I've just booked
• 19:58
  two three times. How do I have momentum?
• 20:02
  Your artistry is thriving. Your
• 20:04
  positivity is vibrating really high.
• 20:06
  You're really happy with every audition.
• 20:08
  You believe in yourself more than you
• 20:10
  ever had.
• 20:11
  That is creating your own momentum.
• 20:14
  >> Mhm.
• 20:14
  >> And sometimes that does happen after
• 20:16
  like two bookings. But how Going back to
• 20:18
  really answer your question, Demetria
• 20:21
  that's how.
• 20:22
  >> Yeah.
• 20:23
  >> How how are how are the actors
• 20:24
  consistently doing it? I think they are
• 20:26
  creating their own momentum.
• 20:28
  >> I love that. That's going to be a great
• 20:30
  sound bite, so we going to keep that.
• 20:32
  >> [laughter]
• 20:34
  >> I love it. I love it. Now, Jason, it is
• 20:36
  time for a little bit of fun. We have a
• 20:39
  game we call yes, no, it depends.
• 20:43
  So, when I ask a question, you have to
• 20:46
  either say yes, no, or it depends. You
• 20:48
  can't think too hard on it though, okay?
• 20:50
  >> Okay.
• 20:51
  >> All right.
• 20:52
  The first question. An actor absolutely
• 20:55
  kills the audition, then realizes
• 20:57
  they've been confidently calling the
• 21:00
  cast casting director by the wrong name.
• 21:03
  Can the audition still uh save them?
• 21:07
  >> I can say yes, no, or what?
• 21:09
  >> It depends.
• 21:13
  >> [laughter]
• 21:15
  >> It depends. Okay.
• 21:18
  An actor books a role and immediately
• 21:20
  starts acting like they officially made
• 21:23
  it.
• 21:24
  Do you let them enjoy the moment before
• 21:26
  bringing them back to Earth?
• 21:29
  >> Yeah.
• 21:31
  Enjoy that moment. Go ahead and
• 21:32
  >> Yeah, go ahead and enjoy it. That's
• 21:34
  fine.
• 21:36
  >> Okay. Your client gets off of a role
• 21:38
  they really don't like, but the paycheck
• 21:41
  is nice.
• 21:42
  Take the money and run?
• 21:46
  >> It depends.
• 21:48
  >> [laughter]
• 21:49
  >> Yeah, it depends how much money, it
• 21:51
  depends on
• 21:51
  >> money it is.
• 21:52
  >> who you're working with, what doors
• 21:53
  could this open, what else do you got
• 21:55
  going on. It depends on a lot.
• 21:58
  >> Okay. An actor gets a callback while
• 22:00
  they're on vacation and their audition
• 22:02
  is due in 3 hours.
• 22:04
  Are they finding a blank wall
• 22:07
  or um making it happen?
• 22:10
  >> Yeah. They're They're finding a blank
• 22:12
  wall and making it happen. Yes.
• 22:13
  >> Yeah.
• 22:16
  Okay, just a few more. You're watching a
• 22:18
  movie and one of your actors pops up on
• 22:20
  the screen,
• 22:21
  but they never told you they booked it.
• 22:24
  Are we having a conversation Monday
• 22:25
  morning?
• 22:26
  >> Yes.
• 22:29
  >> [laughter]
• 22:29
  >> I bet.
• 22:30
  Cuz I want that conversation going to be
• 22:32
  like, right?
• 22:35
  Okay. Your client gets recognized in
• 22:37
  public for the very first time and
• 22:39
  suddenly wants to start wearing
• 22:41
  sunglasses indoors. Do you humble them
• 22:44
  immediately?
• 22:46
  >> No. Let them.
• 22:47
  >> Let them go ahead and do that.
• 22:48
  >> Let them wear those sunglasses. Let them
• 22:50
  wear anything they want to wear. They
• 22:52
  deserve it.
• 22:53
  >> Feel the moment. Feel the moment.
• 22:57
  Okay.
• 22:57
  >> I know it I know it ain't bright in
• 22:58
  here.
• 22:59
  >> Right.
• 23:00
  >> [laughter]
• 23:00
  >> But you look cool.
• 23:01
  >> But you look Right. Okay, final one and
• 23:04
  this is about you.
• 23:06
  You get an offer tomorrow to step back
• 23:08
  in front of the camera for a great role,
• 23:10
  but it means leaving the agent desk for
• 23:12
  a few months. Are we getting acting
• 23:15
  Jason back?
• 23:17
  >> Hard no.
• 23:19
  >> [laughter]
• 23:20
  >> I've done some fun cameos for friends.
• 23:22
  It is torturous. I'm always just
• 23:25
  paranoid I'm going to [ __ ] up or
• 23:26
  whatever. My heart goes out to actors.
• 23:29
  It is not easy to memorize lines, to to
• 23:32
  be believable, to hit marks,
• 23:35
  you know, to like carry the backpack on
• 23:37
  the right shoulder, remember where you
• 23:38
  set it down. It is not easy. My heart
• 23:41
  goes out to them and it is hard it is
• 23:43
  hard work and that is why the big bucks
• 23:45
  are there for those who do it well.
• 23:46
  >> Yeah, that's right. That's right. I'm
• 23:48
  with you on that. I well, I could never
• 23:50
  act anyway. I am not an actress. I can I
• 23:52
  can read very well, so I can read what's
• 23:54
  going on, but the whole memorizing or we
• 23:57
  would be stuck on the first line
• 23:59
  forever, so
• 24:01
  >> [laughter]
• 24:01
  >> that's not going to work, but Jason,
• 24:03
  thank you so much. You survived. Yes,
• 24:06
  no, it depends. Thank you so much for
• 24:08
  hanging out with me today and giving us
• 24:10
  a look into the industry from your
• 24:12
  perspective from the agent side of the
• 24:14
  table. It's truly been a absolute
• 24:17
  pleasure.
• 24:18
  >> Well, thanks for having me. I I love
• 24:20
  your energy. I love your show. I'm happy
• 24:22
  to be here.
• 24:22
  >> Oh, thank you so much and everybody
• 24:24
  watching, make sure you like, subscribe
• 24:26
  and follow The Damier Avery Show The
• 24:28
  Industry. We'll see you next time. Talk
• 24:30
  to you later. Goodbye.
• 28:47
  >> Mhm.