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The Bolt Report | 21 July · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: He's the report.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up tonight. Mark Latham's portrait will remain
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  Speaker 2: on the Labor party room wall, but with a note attached.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy and Michael Kroger will let me know their
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on that decision. Australia is being urged to prepare
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  Speaker 2: for war with China, this time by one of Joe
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  Speaker 2: Biden's former security advisors. Greg Sheridan will give me his take.
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  Speaker 2: A woman made to pay ten thousand dollars in compensation
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  Speaker 2: for someone's hurt feelings after spontaneously laughing during a court hearing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to her in a moment, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: all doom and gloom, thankfully. I'll show you the incredible
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  Speaker 2: performance of a one handed pianist at a classical concert
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  Speaker 2: in the UK over the weekend. Esther Craku will chat
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  Speaker 2: with me about that amazing story when she joins me
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  Speaker 2: live from But first, there was yet another horrific machete
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  Speaker 2: attack in Melbourne over the weekend, this time at an
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  Speaker 2: Altona shopping center where a man was attacked by a
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  Speaker 2: group of men demanding his mobile phone ambulance.
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  Speaker 3: Victoria has confirmed the victim suffered serious lacerations to his arm,
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  Speaker 3: and witnesses at the shopping center have told me there
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  Speaker 3: was blood everywhere and the man's hand was only partly attached.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight seven News understands he's having the lower part of
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  Speaker 3: his arm amputated.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've got to say this is awkward because Premier
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  Speaker 2: Justin to Alan banned machetes six weeks ago. You remember that, right,
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  Speaker 2: in response to a series of dramatic machete attacks. She
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  Speaker 2: held a dramatic press conference where she used her special
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  Speaker 2: powers to put an immediate ban on the sale of machetes.
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  Speaker 2: Just Into Alan's machete ban came with all the usual
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  Speaker 2: political theater, solemn nods from police minister's furrowed brows, and
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  Speaker 2: the sort of we've got this under control energy you
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  Speaker 2: usually associate with circus clowns juggling chainsaws.
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  Speaker 4: We have been working incredibly hard to bring about Australia's
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  Speaker 4: first machete ban. To bring about Australia's first machete ban,
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  Speaker 4: Australia's first machete ban, I'm announcing today that, effective immediately,
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  Speaker 4: will be bringing in place a ban on the sale
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  Speaker 4: of machetes here in Victoria, and this ban will be
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  Speaker 4: in place from midday on Wednesday. Victoria will be banning
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  Speaker 4: machetes from being sold anywhere in the States. We can
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  Speaker 4: move to bring about this ban on the sale of machetes,
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  Speaker 4: bring about Australia's first machete band. As I said, we've
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  Speaker 4: bought about the ban on machetes. The purpose of this
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  Speaker 4: ban Australia's first machete ban. This is the toughest ban
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  Speaker 4: on the sale of machetes that has been put in
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  Speaker 4: place here in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: And yet here we are, despite the government's brave stand
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  Speaker 2: against inanimate objects, a man is now missing his phone
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  Speaker 2: and a hand. The real mystery here isn't why violent
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  Speaker 2: games are roaming Melbourne armed with machetes. No, No, The
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  Speaker 2: mystery is how could this happen after the machete ban?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that how bands are supposed to work.
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  Speaker 2: You pass a law and the bad guys immediately comply
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  Speaker 2: because they're very good at following the rules. Right, Surely
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  Speaker 2: these criminals must have missed just into Allan's press conference
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just spitballing here. Maybe banning machetes doesn't stop
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  Speaker 2: criminals from using machetes. Maybe all just Into Allen's dramatic
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  Speaker 2: press conference did was give her the chance to pretend
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  Speaker 2: she was doing something well. Regular citizens were left to
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  Speaker 2: hope they didn't bump into the wrong group of youths
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  Speaker 2: on their way to getting milk. So tonight a man
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  Speaker 2: is minus a hand. It's a tragic way for politicians
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  Speaker 2: to be reminded that you don't solve violent crime with
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  Speaker 2: solemn announcements and symbolic bans. Not that anyone in the
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  Speaker 2: Victorian government will learn that lesson. I fully expect Justin
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  Speaker 2: Alan will react to last night's attack by, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: announcing a ban on anyone holding mobile phones. After all,
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  Speaker 2: if no one's holding a phone, no one will be
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  Speaker 2: attacked for one, right, That's just the sort of logic
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  Speaker 2: you'd expect from this Victorian government. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
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  Speaker 2: has slammed Israel over reports that their soldiers shot and
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  Speaker 2: killed a number of Palestinians seeking aid over the weekend. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the IDEF admitted they fired warning shots. However, they deny
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  Speaker 2: claims by the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry that around
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  Speaker 2: seventy three people were killed, but there's no such thing
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  Speaker 2: as fog of war. For our PM, who had this
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  Speaker 2: to say over the weekend.
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  Speaker 5: The other thing that we've done is to say in
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  Speaker 5: private what we say publicly as well, which is that
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  Speaker 5: Israel and we say this as a friend. Sometimes you've
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  Speaker 5: got to be straight and upfront, and I certainly have
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  Speaker 5: said to for example, President Herzog, who I've known for
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  Speaker 5: a long period of time, that Israel is losing support
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  Speaker 5: by its own actions, and that some of its actions
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  Speaker 5: are completely indefensible.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to be straightened up front with your friends,
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  Speaker 2: like the Prime Minister with jijingping last week, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but his comments did make me roll my eyes. Israel
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  Speaker 2: risks losing support. What support support from the Elbin Eazy government.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to be kidding me. Our PM never bothered
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  Speaker 2: to go to Israel in the aftermath of October seven,
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  Speaker 2: and his Foreign Minister, Penny Wong, while in Israel, claims
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  Speaker 2: she didn't have time to visit the site of the
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  Speaker 2: terror attack, where more Jews were killed in a single
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  Speaker 2: day than at any time since the Holocaust. Almost none
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  Speaker 2: of our Labour MPs have taken up the invitation to
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  Speaker 2: view raw footage of the Hamas attack on October seven,
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  Speaker 2: and the PM warns Israel that they risk losing support. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it must surely come as a surprise to the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister when he discovers that Israel doesn't send its sons
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  Speaker 2: and daughters to war for the pleasure of Western governments,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly not his. There are still fifty Jews being
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  Speaker 2: held hostage by her muss terrorists in Gaza tonight. There've
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  Speaker 2: been six hundred and fifty three days in captivity. Do
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  Speaker 2: you think Israel is more worried about anti Albenese's support
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  Speaker 2: or about getting back their people. Just while I'm on
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  Speaker 2: the subject of the Albanezi government's attitude towards Israel, I've
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  Speaker 2: got to say this, Australia's Special Envoy to combat Antisemitism
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  Speaker 2: should quit in disgust. The Albanezi government's insistence that it
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  Speaker 2: can't consider the recommendations of her report into anti Semitism
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  Speaker 2: until they receive a report into Islamophobia is as absurd.
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  Speaker 6: As it is shameful.
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  Speaker 2: It's now clear that the government appointed envoy is being
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  Speaker 2: used by anti Albanesi as a kind of political fig
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  Speaker 2: leaf to cover his intent to do nothing about at
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  Speaker 2: tax on Jews in this country. Gillian Siegel took her
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  Speaker 2: job seriously when she was tasked with guiding the government
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  Speaker 2: on a plan to tackle rampant due hatred. She met
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  Speaker 2: with community, she compiled data, she listened to the fear
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  Speaker 2: and pain gripping Jewish Australians, and she's produced a report
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  Speaker 2: full of practical recommendations. But instead of responding with urgency,
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  Speaker 2: the government has taken that report and shoved it into
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  Speaker 2: the pending pile. Education Minister Jason Clare insisted that the
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  Speaker 2: government would not even consider her recommendations to combat anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism until it had received a report on Islamophobia in
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about a month from now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't intend to look at this report in isolation
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  Speaker 1: that next month the government will receive a report from
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  Speaker 1: the Special Envoy in combating Islamophobia, and so we wait
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  Speaker 1: to see what his recommendations will be.
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  Speaker 2: So apparently the security of Jewish Australians must now be
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  Speaker 2: tethered to a totally unrelated review. And if a synagogue
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  Speaker 2: or three burned down in the meantime, bops. So the
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  Speaker 2: Jewish community has to sit tight while the government draws
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  Speaker 2: moral equivalents between mobs calling for constant harassment of Jews
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  Speaker 2: and well, what exactly. There's no comparable epidemic of attacks
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  Speaker 2: on Islamic schools, mosques or businesses in this country. There's
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  Speaker 2: no halal cafes being attacked, no Islamic childcare centers being
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  Speaker 2: set on fire.
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  Speaker 6: But hey, political correctness.
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  Speaker 2: Not to mention firming up votes in Western Sydney, demands balance.
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  Speaker 2: If Jewish families have to live in fear for a
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  Speaker 2: few more weeks or months while the government gets its
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  Speaker 2: equality optics in order, well so be it. No one
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  Speaker 2: is fooled by this government. What does Islamophobia have to
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  Speaker 2: do with anti Semitism? Nothing except, of course, in the
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  Speaker 2: minds of labor politicians terrified of offending anyone except Jews.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the delay in considering the anti Semitism report
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  Speaker 2: has zero to do with fairness. It's all about avoidance.
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  Speaker 2: The government doesn't want to be accused of favoring one
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  Speaker 2: community over another, so instead they're favoring in action. Well
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  Speaker 2: that's just brilliant, isn't it, which brings us to the envoy.
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  Speaker 2: Jillian Siegel should take action or else she risks being
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  Speaker 2: nothing more than the face of a government that has
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  Speaker 2: absolutely no intention of taking her seriously. It's now clear
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  Speaker 2: that she was recruited to give the illusion of concern.
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  Speaker 2: She's been used, as, if you will, a human shield
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  Speaker 2: behind which Albanesi in his spineless cabinet colleagues can hide
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  Speaker 2: their refusal to act. If Jillian Siegel stays in the role,
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  Speaker 2: she risks being complicit in that charade. If she resigns, however,
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  Speaker 2: she blows the whole facade wide open. She exposes the
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  Speaker 2: government's duplicity, and she calls out the cowardice of a
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  Speaker 2: PM who refuses to protect Jewish Australians unless he can
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  Speaker 2: do so without you know, ruffling any feathers. She'd force
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  Speaker 2: a national conversation this government is desperate to avoid. The
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  Speaker 2: truth is the envoy has done her job, and now
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  Speaker 2: it's time to make sure the govern can't pretend to
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  Speaker 2: be doing theirs. There's no more honorable act Jillian Siegel
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  Speaker 2: could perform than to walk away now, not in protest,
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  Speaker 2: but in truth, because pretending this government is serious about
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  Speaker 2: combating anti Semitism only prolongs the danger. So Jillian Siegel
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  Speaker 2: should resign, expose them, force them to explain why the
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  Speaker 2: safety of Jewish Australians depends on a completely unrelated report
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  Speaker 2: about a threat that doesn't currently exist, and maybe just
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  Speaker 2: maybe embarrass them into doing something real, or, failing that,
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  Speaker 2: at least make sure Australians know this government doesn't care
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  Speaker 2: at all well. MPs have gathered in Canberra for the
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  Speaker 2: start of the forty eighth Parliament, with Anthony Alberanuzi and
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lay addressing colleagues today. The PM told his caucus,
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  Speaker 2: which includes twenty four new members, that they needed to
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  Speaker 2: remain humble, and then he had this to say to
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  Speaker 2: the much diminished opposition.
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  Speaker 5: Those opposite will have to decide whether they'll continue the
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  Speaker 5: course that they set last term, which essentially was a
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  Speaker 5: cul de sac. It didn't lead anywhere at all, just
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  Speaker 5: saying no and not being constructive.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is my panel former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy
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  Speaker 2: and former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger. Michael, what
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  Speaker 2: chance the Prime Minister will lead with the humility he's
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  Speaker 2: asking of his MPs.
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  Speaker 7: Will He's showing a lot of hubris at the moment
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  Speaker 7: with those comments and various other comments he's been making.
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  Speaker 7: You know this is a dangerous course of action. He
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  Speaker 7: needs more Scottish Cheffler and less poor keating. If you
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  Speaker 7: ask me, this is dangerous territory. He just looks too
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  Speaker 7: arrogant in an understated way. But the messages are very condescending,
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  Speaker 7: very arrogant, and it doesn't work well in Australian politics.
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  Speaker 7: So I think more humility unless hubris, would be the
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  Speaker 7: way to go for Anthony albanezy mate.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy Elsewhere the Prime Minister said the opposition they
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  Speaker 2: should get out of the way so he can get
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  Speaker 2: on with his agenda. Hubris is going to be the
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  Speaker 2: PM's greatest danger in this parliament, is it not?
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  Speaker 8: Well? I think it's the only serious danger for the
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  Speaker 8: next three years. But to take Michael's point, I'm just perplexed.
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  Speaker 8: Anthony Albanize said those exact same things before the election
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  Speaker 8: with a one seat majority. He coined the phrase of
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  Speaker 8: no elition. He coined all of those phrases that he's
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  Speaker 8: just used again today. He used before the election. No
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  Speaker 8: one accused him of being full of hubris or arrogance
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  Speaker 8: before the election, but he says the same words after
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  Speaker 8: the election all of a sudden, he's full of hubris
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  Speaker 8: and arrogance. So I just think that he strikes the
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  Speaker 8: measured tone that has needed it. But to both of
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  Speaker 8: your points, I think hubris is the only danger between
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  Speaker 8: now and the next selection for this governments'll.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon you're right on that, because the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 2: has officially hit its lowest point since shoulder pads were fashionable.
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  Speaker 2: According to the latest News poll, the coalition's primary vote
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  Speaker 2: has slumped to a dismal twenty nine percent. That's their
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  Speaker 2: worst result since nineteen eighty five, when Madonna was recording
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  Speaker 2: hit songs. Susan Lay had this to say to colleagues today, as.
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  Speaker 9: We develop policy through the next few years, it will
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  Speaker 9: be done through the timeless prism of our values.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, I've got to say it's hardly surprising people are
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  Speaker 2: finding it difficult to support the Coalition when no one
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  Speaker 2: really knows what they're supporting. We've got no idea where
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  Speaker 2: they stand on nuclear, on net zero, on gender quotas,
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  Speaker 2: and the list could go on. As for Liberal principles, well,
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  Speaker 2: so far we've been given this.
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  Speaker 9: The Liberal Party must respect modern, reflect modern Australia, and
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  Speaker 9: represent modern Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Respect reflect represent the only Liberal party principle I can
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  Speaker 2: find there is a literation Michael, Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 7: I think she's you know, that statement she made is
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  Speaker 7: easily definable by what's happening in Australia that I look
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  Speaker 7: at the work from home policies as one ame all
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  Speaker 7: of that. I think Susan Lee started actually very well,
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  Speaker 7: stable solid, not rushing to judgment, reviewing what happened. But
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  Speaker 7: the sooner the party starts getting back to the issue
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  Speaker 7: of policy, not leaving everything to the last few months,
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  Speaker 7: reinforcing its traditional values, but how that is relevant today
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  Speaker 7: in a policy sense to a working family, not just
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  Speaker 7: broad principles. About that means he's forgotten people speeches. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: what does it mean today on the ground for people.
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  Speaker 7: Do you give him his credit? Alban he read the
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  Speaker 7: mood better. He said, I'm protecting your Medicare card with
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  Speaker 7: all those appalling exaggerations, but he conded enough people wage
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  Speaker 7: increases in age care, childcare, and for the low paid
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  Speaker 7: urgent care clinics. These are the things you know. In
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  Speaker 7: the end, labor were closer to the ground, They were
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  Speaker 7: closer to what people were thinking than the Coalition was,
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  Speaker 7: whose policies were mainly disjointed from our long term brand equities.
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  Speaker 7: So the sooner of the Federal Parliamentary Party realizes that
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  Speaker 7: gets back to starting to announce some principles and some policies,
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  Speaker 7: the better. I mean, it's a very short period in Australia,
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  Speaker 7: three years between elections, so the next election is probably
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  Speaker 7: two and a half years away, so you know, the
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  Speaker 7: clock goes around very quickly, mate.
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  Speaker 6: It certainly does.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 2: There's been plenty of debate about whether the former Labor
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  Speaker 2: leader Mark Latham's portrait should remain on the party room's wall.
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  Speaker 2: After a debate among MPs, the Labor Caucus has decided
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  Speaker 2: to leave it in place, but they're going to add
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  Speaker 2: a plarqu beneath it, saying and I quote. In twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 2: Mark Latham was expelled from the Australian Labor Party and
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  Speaker 2: for life. His actions do not accord with Labor values
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  Speaker 2: and failed to meet the standards we expect and demand.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy, good decision.
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  Speaker 8: Well, look, I think factually Mark Latham was the leader
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  Speaker 8: of the Labor Party and factually he was expelled, So
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  Speaker 8: I think it's important to have both those two things
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  Speaker 8: spelled out clearly. So I'm very comfortable with the decision.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, Do we really need clarks beneath the photographs of leaders.
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  Speaker 2: This is not just virtue signaling on the part of
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  Speaker 2: Labor MPs.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 7: I gather Labor are going to do this as a
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  Speaker 7: consistent theme. So under John Curtin's photo they're going to
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  Speaker 7: put John Curtin was a big support of the racist
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  Speaker 7: white Australia policy. They're going to put the same plaque
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  Speaker 7: under Arthur Callwell's photo to say he was also supported
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  Speaker 7: like curtain of racism in Australian immigration policy, which is
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  Speaker 7: not supported today. I mean, what a preposterous idea this
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  Speaker 7: is to put something under Latham's name for goodness sake,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, this is part of this whole you know,
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  Speaker 7: the statues we have in this country of you know,
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  Speaker 7: people who've contributed to the foundation of this country rightly wrong.
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  Speaker 7: We've got to put a plaque under judging them by
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  Speaker 7: standards of twenty twenty five. Well, in twenty fifty they
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  Speaker 7: can look back at twenty twenty five and say a
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  Speaker 7: lot of those people were part of a woke, you know,
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  Speaker 7: ridiculous period where due hatred came to the forefront, where
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  Speaker 7: people were divided on race, on sex, on gender. We
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  Speaker 7: went through this preposterous period in Australia. We're going to
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  Speaker 7: have plaques everywhere dis associating ourselves some of these policies.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it would never end if you do this stuff.
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  Speaker 7: So this is a ridiculous idea. Lathan was the leader
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  Speaker 7: of the Labor Party. They should just leave it at that.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, half those people and the cort has voted
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  Speaker 7: for him in the first place, so they should be embarrassed,
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  Speaker 7: if you know, if they think that this is the
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  Speaker 7: right thing to do. But as we've said on many issues,
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  Speaker 7: you judge people from fifty one hundred years ago both
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  Speaker 7: standards Today, of course, standards have changed.
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  Speaker 6: There would be a whole lot of plarque.
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  Speaker 7: Manufacturers busy full time in China doing plaques for historical figures.
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  Speaker 11: Mate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where this ultimately will lead. I guess no
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  Speaker 2: matter what your view of Mark Latham's behavior, I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about the Greens before I let you both go.
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  Speaker 2: One of the men who helped to found the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Greens now says they've become a quote unquote cult. Drew Hutton,
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  Speaker 2: who helped to found the Greens back in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: two with Bob Brown has been expelled over a series
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  Speaker 2: of online posts he made about transgenderism. Last night he
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  Speaker 2: lost his appeal against the expulsion.
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  Speaker 6: Have listened to him.
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  Speaker 12: We felt we had an historic mission to move help
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  Speaker 12: move the world to an ecologically sustainable pudding. That's changed.
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  Speaker 12: A cult mentality has moved into the Greens. These people
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  Speaker 12: are policing enforcing a rigid, goddrinairthoritarian view of policy, especially
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  Speaker 12: with regard to gender issues. The enemy of pre speechs
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  Speaker 12: that I'm up against is not a right wing government.
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  Speaker 12: It's a left wing political party that I happen to
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  Speaker 12: belong to, and that in fact I found.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy, even the co founder of the Greens, is
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  Speaker 2: now saying they're the rev.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Look, I mean they are just a militant, vicious,
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: hard left party and they've got exactly what they deserved
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: in the last election. Vote was down, the representations down.
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: He's absolutely right. There are cult around the Palestinian issue.
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: There are a cult around the trans issue. Good people
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: in the Greens have been thrown out, have quit because
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: they're so intolerant of anybody who has an alternate view.
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: So the leadership. I mean, we're not talking about a
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: member of Parliament here, he's ratted on the floor of Parliament.
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: We're talking about just an ordinary branch member, albeit with
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: his great historical connection, made a few Facebook posts. I mean,
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: half the Labor Party will be expelled if you had,
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: you know, that sort of approach taken on Facebook or
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: any other public discourse. I mean it really again just
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: demonstrates the Greens have fundamentally lost their way. They are
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: not the party of its own founders, and they'll continue
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: to get thrashed by the Australian public for being such
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: a militant, vicious, hard left group of individuals.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we've run out of time, Michael Craigie. I was
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: going to ask you how is it that Drew Hutton
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: is kicked out of the Greens but Malcolm Turnbull remains
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: a member of the Liberals. But I don't have time
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to ask that, So maybe we'll get to that another time.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Thanking both of you for joining me tonight.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: Well are there? Thank you? Well?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Are there certain jokes that are illegal to laugh at
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: in this country?
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: I have to ask the question because it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Appears there are women's rights advocate Celgrover has been fined
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars for laughing at a characterature of a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: transgendered person, which was shown as evidence in a court case. Now,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Celgrover is appealing a decision in the federal court last
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: year that she discriminated against trans woman Roxanne Tickle when
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: she banned Tickle from a female only app because Tickle,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: who's a biological male, looks like a man.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: But here's the point.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: During cross examination, Celgrover was shown a candle being sold
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: online that took a satirical jab at Roxane Tickle, claiming
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Tickle identified as a woman because Tickle, and I'm quoting here,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: hated the smell of balls end quote. Now, when shown
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the candle with that caption, Celgrover spontaneously laughed, and the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: judge awarded Tickle ten thousand dollars in damages for what
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: he called cell Grover's offensive and belittling outburst. Joining me now,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: is cel Grover. He'll be showing no signs of amusement
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: or otherwise during this interview lest she finds herself having
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: to pay out even more money. So thanks for joining me.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Have I accurately described what happened in court?
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: I mean pretty much. I mean there is an irony
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: in being part of a case called ticklev giggle and
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: then being punished for giggling. I think it's really important
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: just to note I didn't make the candle. I wasn't
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: involved in selling the candle. I had nothing to do
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: with the candle. I just had a completely involuntary human
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: reaction to the candle in the very highly stressed environment
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: of federal court. I didn't roll around on the floor laughing.
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: I didn't add commentary. It was very quick, maybe three
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: second laugh and yeah, ten thousand dollars.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: So you didn't mean to offend anybody with the laugh.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: It was just an involuntary reaction.
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean no, there was no thought process behind
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: it whatsoever. There's a little bit of a backstory to
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: the candle itself. It's satirizing comments made by Tickle on
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: SBS site and around twenty twenty two, and he went
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: on the show and he said that he sort of
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: discovered his womanhood in part because he didn't like the
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: smell of male change rooms. And so the candle is
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: political satire on this male's perception of womanhood, and it's
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: making a mockery of it, which is making a mockery
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: of womanhood itself. And so the you do exactly what
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: it was intended to do, you sort of laugh at it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: So sol as I understand it, the candle is not
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: illegal because it's protected under free speech laws as satire.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: But your response to the satire you laughed, Well, that's
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: been penalized.
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah at this so far sort of In the first
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: case it was for ten thousand dollars, But I mean
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: in this appeal, Tickler is also cross appealing, so he's
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: actually wanting the damages and aggravat damages increased to at
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: least forty thousand dollars. You know, I've had to raise
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: well over a million dollars to fight this what is
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: a woman case? Bigle crowdfund dot com for anyone who
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: wants more information and to help support it. Tickle has
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: had the support of the Sex Discrimination Commissioner. He has
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: not had to pay his own legal fees, and I
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: feel at this point that I am being legally and
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: financially abused for having human instincts.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I get that Roxanne Tickle might not have appreciated you laughing,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: though taking your point, you weren't laughing at tickle. You
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: were just laughing at the ridiculous of the situation. But
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars is compensation because someone laughed at something.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's scary. I mean, I think next time
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: I'll cry. I mean, you just we have I mean,
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: whether we see a man, whether we laugh at something.
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: I mean, there's some things that are just so so instinctual,
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: just so part of being a human being. And to
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: get to a point where there are judges who are
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: punishing that, I think is a really scary situation to
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: be in. And it's why I have just spent such
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: a long time encouraging people to understand this case and
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: what does its stake, because anyone else could be in
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: this situation, and trust me, I've been in this hell
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: for three and a half years and I would not
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: wish it upon my worst enemy. So if we can
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: try and get all of this fixed or a lot
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: of this fixed now, we can hopefully all move on
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: and have just some more freedom than we currently do.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: It's absolute madness.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Next time in court, total poker face, Sell Grover, thanks
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: for joining me tonight. Well. Coming up after the break,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Albanezi's trip to China is being described as.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: A huge mistake.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Plus Australia ramps up it's backing for Ukraine by sending
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: dozens of tanks to the front line. The Australian Newspaper's
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Foreign affairs edit the Greg Sheridan It'll be with me
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: in just a moment. Well, Anthony Albanezi is back in
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Canberra after his six day tour of China. The Adian
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: newspaper's Foreign affairs out of the Greg Sheridan described at
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the weekend as quote a huge mistake. He wrote that
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the trip was simultaneously cringingly subservient and foolishly self indulgent.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan joins me. Now, Greg, thanks for coming on
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the program. What did Anthony Albanesi get out of his
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Chinese trip? And what did Jijingping get out of Elbanesi's
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Chinese trip?
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  Speaker 13: James, good to be with you. So Anthony Alberanzi and
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: substance got absolutely nothing, nothing at all out of the trip.
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: He got less than nothing. But politically he's selling the
• 26:35
  Speaker 13: story that he can manage the China relationship. Morrison cordn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 13: and by extension, Dutton he's campaigning hard amongst ethnic Chinese
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: Australians to show that he loves China culturally. We all
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: love China culturally. I mean, none of us would exist
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: without China's food. But these are essentially fraudulent messages because
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: it was a tremendous propaganda win for Jijinping. China is
• 27:00
  Speaker 13: engaged in extremely aggressive military actions all around the place,
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: constantly violating Japanese and Taiwanese airspace, threatening our airmen and sailors,
• 27:11
  Speaker 13: circumnavigating our continent, doing live fire exercises, causing civilian planes
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: flying to New Zealand to swerve and take evasive action
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: of fine new New roots, and so on. And yet
• 27:24
  Speaker 13: Albanzi only raised the most pro former Soto Voce concerns
• 27:29
  Speaker 13: about any of this. But Shi Jimpin gets to broadcast
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: to the world. Look, even America's closest ally, Australia, has
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: no troubles at all with Chinese behavior, no troubles at all.
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: And look, they recognize that we are the most important
• 27:44
  Speaker 13: power in the world. Because their prime minister spent six
• 27:47
  Speaker 13: days in our country, which he hasn't done in any
• 27:49
  Speaker 13: other country in his entire prime ministership. It's a cold
• 27:54
  Speaker 13: shoulder to Japan and South Korea. In fact, our allies
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: in Northeast Asia, and it's a cold shoulder to India,
• 28:02
  Speaker 13: which is the balance to China. Official Australian policy is
• 28:07
  Speaker 13: to diversified trade away from China. Albanezi if this visit
• 28:11
  Speaker 13: had any trade consequences at all, and I don't think
• 28:14
  Speaker 13: it did, just makes us more dependent on China. And
• 28:16
  Speaker 13: then finally, James my final thought this utter nonsense that
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: the Chinese have selft saped him that they're going to
• 28:23
  Speaker 13: buy Australian green steel. One day, somebody is going to
• 28:26
  Speaker 13: invent green hydrogen. And then allegedly the Chinese are going
• 28:30
  Speaker 13: to be so devoted to net zero that they are
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: going to pay a massive cost premium to use our
• 28:38
  Speaker 13: so far uninvented green hydrogen to make their so far
• 28:42
  Speaker 13: unanticipated green steel to reach net zero. At the same
• 28:46
  Speaker 13: time as which they're opening one new cold fired power
• 28:49
  Speaker 13: station every week and have just built a swag or
• 28:52
  Speaker 13: just financed a swag of dirty col fired power stations
• 28:56
  Speaker 13: to power their nickel investments in Indonesia. Is selling that
• 29:00
  Speaker 13: to the Australian people as an economic achievement. So this
• 29:04
  Speaker 13: is fantasy land, and it's a very destructive fantasy land.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Greg I note that even former labor heavyweight Graham Richardson
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: is concerned that Albanzi is still to have a sit
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: down meeting with Donald Trump. Have listened to what he
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: said earlier today.
• 29:20
  Speaker 14: I think the meeting's got to occur. The question is
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: is how soon Canada occur? I'd as far as I'm concerned,
• 29:29
  Speaker 14: the sooner the better. I don't mind. If anything, he
• 29:32
  Speaker 14: gets on a plane tonight to go there.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Get on a plane tonight. Is it that urgent?
• 29:40
  Speaker 13: Well, Richard is absolutely right. It's only become urgent because
• 29:44
  Speaker 13: of the chronic mismanagement of Albanesi. The Albanzi government is
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: actually very amateurish in national security and foreign affairs. Alberzi
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: himself can't cope once he goes beyond his talking points.
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: He often gets basic facts wrong, seems to have no
• 29:58
  Speaker 13: interest in national security. And Trump is a difficult president
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: for allies and for opponents. A very difficult president. It's
• 30:07
  Speaker 13: hard to manage, and you never know what's going to
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: happen in the White House. But here's the thing. There
• 30:12
  Speaker 13: is no other United States for Australia than the United States.
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: Our national security is totally dependent on the United States. So,
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: by the way, is our economy. The United States has
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: something like a trillion dollars of cumulative investment in Australia
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: that totally dwarfs anything from China. An investment in the
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: end is much more important than trade. And it is
• 30:35
  Speaker 13: up to Albanzi in the national interest to manage his
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: relationship with Trump. He's been ill advised and made bad
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: decisions all the way through. As soon as Trump was
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: elected and before he was inaugurated, Albanese should have gone
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: and seen him. Doesn't have to embrace Trump's political philosophy.
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: Mark Carney and Canada didn't do that. Keir Starmer in
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: England didn't do that, but they went and had their
• 30:56
  Speaker 13: meetings with Trump. Trump might even say something that's disobliging,
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: but Alberiz he has to have a relationship with Trump.
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: He has to positively manage it. Of course, our economy
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: is doing very badly. We're in a per capita negative
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: growth phase, probably a per capita recession. Our productivity is
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: going through the basement. And he's got and he won't
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: spend a dollar on defense because government spending has run
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: out of control on social programs. So he's got no
• 31:23
  Speaker 13: good story to take to Trump. But surely you could
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: burnish up something critical minerals or rare earths or some
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: polava or you know, military intimacy or something, or he
• 31:34
  Speaker 13: could make some token increase in the defense budget. But
• 31:38
  Speaker 13: this all seems to be beyond the wit of the
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: Albanese government. They enjoyed tarring Peter Dutton with an association
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: with Donald Trump, and now you've got the bizarre situation
• 31:49
  Speaker 13: where he goes over for a tickle my tummy substance
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: three six days with Ji Jinping singing the praises of
• 31:56
  Speaker 13: the very regime which has produced the worst mostangeous strategic
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: circumstances in eighty years for Australia according to the Albanesi government,
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: but has no relationship at all with the President of
• 32:08
  Speaker 13: the nation, which is absolutely critical to Australia's national security.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, Greg, While all of this is going on,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden's top Asia security advisor has said Australia needs
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to be ready for war and should be working on
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: joint plans with the US in preparation for a worst
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: case scenario. What did you make of Eli Ratner's comments.
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: Well, I agree with them absolutely. They're very similar to
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: what I wrote in the weekend. Australian so Elbridge Colby,
• 32:40
  Speaker 13: as far as we can see, is not saying that
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: Australia has to pre commit to a war against China
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: over Taiwan in the company of the United States. What
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: he does seem to be saying, and this is very
• 32:52
  Speaker 13: much the tenor of l. Ratner's comments, is the two
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: intimate allies like Australia and the United States, if they
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: are working together onto Terrance, as the Albanesi government always claims,
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: they should have joint planning on what they would do
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: in the event of war. Now, of course, you know
• 33:10
  Speaker 13: when the day comes, and dear God, we all hope
• 33:13
  Speaker 13: it never will. When the day comes, it's still up
• 33:16
  Speaker 13: to the Australian government of the day to decide whether
• 33:19
  Speaker 13: it wanted to enter into any conflict. Although my guess
• 33:22
  Speaker 13: is that in a US China conflict, China would attack
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: Pine Gap and the other critical facilities on day one,
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: so the decision would be out of our hands. But
• 33:31
  Speaker 13: this doesn't abridge Australian's sovereignty because you wouldn't be deciding
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: in advance to go to war, but you would be
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: having joint planning if the worst came to the worst
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: now at the moment, the Albanesi government, Richard Mars and
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: Pennywong and a lot of them, they all say, we
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: are contributing to terrence with the United States. But if
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: you won't do any joint military planning, you're not really
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: contributing to the terrence. You're just having a lend of everybody.
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: And the inability of the Albanese government to face up
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: to hard realities in national security is evident in there
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: now being in effect condemned both by a Republican and
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: Democrat defense officials for their dereliction in defense policy.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Greg Sharan and There's so much to talk about, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: so many more things I'd like to ask you, but
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid we've run out of time. Thanks for joining
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: me tonight. Well, coming up after the breaker, David versus
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Goliath fight in New South Wales over plans for a
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: massive wind farm plus small loopholes revealed with working with
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: children checks my panel. Join me after this break. While
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the push for renewable energy typically comes from people living
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: in cities, the price is typically borne by those living
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: in regional communities where land is being devalued by the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: erection of solar and wind farms. One such wind farm
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: is planned ten minutes out of Yas in regional New
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: South Wales. Ninety wind turbines, each towering two hundred and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: sixty meters into the air. That's almost as tall as
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Melbourne Skydeck. And locals well, they are furious.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: Who would have thought.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: When those responsible for the proposed wind farm met with
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: locals over the weekend, the reaction was, well, it was
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: less than country hospitality.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: I must say, have a look.
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: Avan Tarlers, where the dish is going? For the transmission lines?
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: You've driven pleaders? Come on, this is it really is?
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: Bush?
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: Thanks the mental health too, let's go into the mental health.
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: Everything alone.
• 35:42
  Speaker 13: Imbating and I know quite a few are there.
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: And I've got a rain and out of like that
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: eggs looking in those hills and all I see is
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: turbines right now.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: These farmers claim their land could be devalued by as
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: much as thirty or forty percent.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: But here's the irony.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Well, country folks are expected to put up with massive
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: wind turbines overshadowing their properties. Residents in two Sydney teal
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: electorates were aplectic at the suggestion. A couple of years
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: ago that some climate friendly community batteries might be placed
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: in local parklands. Here's one of the proposed batteries. It's
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the size of a shipping container, and locals were having
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: none of it. In a Sydney joining me as history
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: lecturer and author Stephen Shvra and my co host on
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: the Late Debate, Freyer Leech, Freyer, you know, how do
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you reconcile people in teal seats voting for action on
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: climate change but demanding country people bear the brunt of
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the impact.
• 36:41
  Speaker 15: Well, that's the hypocrisy of it all. And to be honest,
• 36:45
  Speaker 15: net zero itself is an elitist belief because the elite
• 36:49
  Speaker 15: are the people who will get all the benefit, all
• 36:52
  Speaker 15: the virtue signaling, all the pats on the back.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: But it is the working class.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: It's people in the regions.
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: It's people who don't have the luxury to install fifteen
• 37:02
  Speaker 15: thousand dollars rooftop solar that will actually be paying the price.
• 37:07
  Speaker 15: Not a single local spoke in favor of this wind
• 37:10
  Speaker 15: farm at that meeting you showed. And these turbines are
• 37:13
  Speaker 15: the size of Bangaroo. Imagine having to look at over
• 37:18
  Speaker 15: two hundred of those every single day. It is an
• 37:22
  Speaker 15: absolute travesty what Bowen and his Green Fantasy are doing
• 37:27
  Speaker 15: to the regions. They're completely bulldozing these communities.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed that Chris Bowen doesn't turn up for
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: those regional town hall events. I'd like to see him
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: front some of those farmers. There's calls for books to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: be classified in the same way that movies are classified,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: after it was revealed a huge proportion of fictional books
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: aimed at teenagers portray sexual assaults and domestic violence as normal.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Australian Catholic University analysis of novels in the young adult
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: section of bookstores and in school libraries revealed sixty five
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: percent contained extreme levels of sexually explicit content, while two
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: in three featured graphic or extreme violence. And more alarmingly,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: these books were being promoted to and read by children
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: as young as twelve years old. Stephen, should books have
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: a classification system? And what does this say about our
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: culture that such a large percentage of books aimed at
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: teenagers contain these kind of themes.
• 38:28
  Speaker 16: Well, that's the exact issue. This is a cultural issue.
• 38:32
  Speaker 16: I grew up with two sisters, Trixie Belden Nancy drew
• 38:36
  Speaker 16: the famous five and a Green Gables. These are the
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  Speaker 16: sorts of books. My sisters liked to read, innocent books
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  Speaker 16: about girls who were detectives and did all sorts of
• 38:46
  Speaker 16: interesting things. Now we're talking about books being aimed at
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  Speaker 16: teenage girls and twelve year olds that have extreme sex,
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  Speaker 16: extreme violence. Have we really progressed as a culture.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously we have not.
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  Speaker 16: What we are dealing with is a massive industrial grooming
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  Speaker 16: complex that is being spearheaded commercially by the music industry, books, magazines,
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  Speaker 16: social media. I have to say, to some extent by
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  Speaker 16: the schools, and I don't know that anyone is trustworthy
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  Speaker 16: to try to solve this other than the parents of
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  Speaker 16: the kids. You've got to start paying attention to what
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  Speaker 16: your kids are, looking at, what they are reading, listening
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  Speaker 16: to what they are being taught, because you really can't
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  Speaker 16: trust anyone else out there.
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  Speaker 6: Yill.
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  Speaker 2: On that theme, our federal parliamentarians have proposed legislation to
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  Speaker 2: tighten up security and childcare centers. Excuse me, after horrific
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  Speaker 2: allegations have been made in the past couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: against the number of workers, but today yet another loophole
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: was revealed. Background checks that allow people who've had their
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  Speaker 2: own children taken away from them are allowed to look
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  Speaker 2: after other people's children. It was revealed that the Working
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  Speaker 2: with Children check only flags of potential care if they
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  Speaker 2: had a criminal record, and they're not always properly checked
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  Speaker 2: between states now. The Daily Telegraph says the loophole was
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  Speaker 2: brought to light by a Melbourne mother who hired a
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  Speaker 2: sitter from an agency look after her two primary school
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  Speaker 2: aged kids, and then nanny told her after the placement,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: quote was really nice looking after kids again because the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: department has taken mine.
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  Speaker 6: Frayer, can you believe this stuff?
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  Speaker 15: It's absolutely shocking and I still don't think we have
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  Speaker 15: even hit the tip of the iceberg in terms of
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  Speaker 15: the levels of abuse and neglect going on in the
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  Speaker 15: childcare sector. There's a new investigation into child abuse in
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: childcare centers started every single day, one every day in
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  Speaker 15: New South Wales, one every day in Victoria. The numbers
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  Speaker 15: of vulnerable children that are at risk here is truly
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  Speaker 15: shocking and one of the disadvantages of our federalist system
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  Speaker 15: is often these systems don't carry across between states, so
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  Speaker 15: there has to be a national register of childcare workers
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  Speaker 15: of nanny's some sort of vetting system that lets parents
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  Speaker 15: know who it actually is that they've entrusted their children to.
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  Speaker 15: But ultimately the reality is no one will ever do
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  Speaker 15: as good a job at protecting your child as parents themselves,
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  Speaker 15: and that is the true travesty of this. We have
• 41:21
  Speaker 15: a policy which forces families into institutional childcare because women
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  Speaker 15: are forced back to work, they're not given the option
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  Speaker 15: to look after their own children, and then there aren't
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  Speaker 15: adequate checks and protections in place for those children. So
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  Speaker 15: I truly feel so sorry for so many families in
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  Speaker 15: Australia right now that are facing this impossible dilemma. But
• 41:43
  Speaker 15: ultimately this is a failure of government policy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Will said Fray, are looking forward to watching you
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  Speaker 2: and Caleb on the Late Debate at ten o'clock tonight.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Steven Shivera, thanks for joining us well. Coming up after
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  Speaker 2: the break, the labor policy that polsters say we'll have
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Keir Starmer thrown out of office if he goes through
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: with it. And the one handed pianist wowing crowds at
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: the London Music Festival, Esther Crakhu will join me from
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  Speaker 2: London after this break.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: One of the joys of hosting the Bolt Report is
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  Speaker 2: getting to talk to writer and broadcaster to Esther Crakhu,
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  Speaker 2: who joins me now Esther welcome. A dancer at London's
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Royal Opera House has caused outrage after unfurling a Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: flag at the end of a show and wrestling with
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  Speaker 2: someone to keep a hold of it. The performer is
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: apparently a privately educated, self proclaimed queer dance artist.
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  Speaker 6: Have a look at what happened, Esther.
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  Speaker 2: Good on the bloke who tried to rip the flag
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  Speaker 2: out of the performer's hands. He should have carried on
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, queer dance assist. I'm pretty sure the Unemployment key
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  Speaker 17: has never heard of that one. It was at the
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  Speaker 17: end of a verdy opera performance at the Royal Opera House,
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  Speaker 17: which I've been too many, many many times. It's you know,
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  Speaker 17: it's a Covent garden, a really beautiful part of London.
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  Speaker 17: I think this is really disgraceful and unsurprisingly, the Royal
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  Speaker 17: Opera House has come out saying, you know, none of
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  Speaker 17: this was not sanctioned by the Royal Ballet or the
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  Speaker 17: Royal Opera. This is absolutely has nothing to do with us,
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  Speaker 17: and I can understand why because if anyone's ever been
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  Speaker 17: to the Royal Opera House, you know, it's kind of
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  Speaker 17: a duel, a gem of London. It draws in all
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  Speaker 17: sorts of crowds from all walks of life, including Jewish crowds,
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  Speaker 17: I would imagine, because there's a high percentage of them
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  Speaker 17: in London, and so for them to you know, enjoy
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  Speaker 17: the last show of this opera showing of fourteen shows
• 43:41
  Speaker 17: that were scheduled to see this, it is completely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 17: I mean, the Royal Opera House has never been known
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  Speaker 17: to be political in any sense of the word. And
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  Speaker 17: I'm pretty sure that that queer dance artist is now
• 43:50
  Speaker 17: also unemployed.
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  Speaker 2: But these are the.
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  Speaker 17: Kinds of things that you're seeing. I mean, I had
• 43:54
  Speaker 17: a friend who was in McDonald's that had saw an
• 43:56
  Speaker 17: individual and naturally recorded this individual saying, you know, free Palestine,
• 44:01
  Speaker 17: f the Jews. I mean, really just unsavory things in
• 44:04
  Speaker 17: the middle of London. And this is following, you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 17: over two years of seeing the streets of London almost
• 44:08
  Speaker 17: every weekend being taken up by these pro Palestine protests
• 44:12
  Speaker 17: that often have however small sections are people basically shouting
• 44:16
  Speaker 17: really blatantly anti Semitic hateful rhetoric and so unfortunately this
• 44:21
  Speaker 17: is on the rise here in Britain. A recent survey
• 44:25
  Speaker 17: by teachers has shown that over fifty one percent of
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: Jewish teachers have actually been exposed to Nazi propaganda in
• 44:31
  Speaker 17: their schools and they feel like they can't really report
• 44:34
  Speaker 17: it because nothing is being done. We've seen reports after
• 44:36
  Speaker 17: reports showing that anti Semitism and that kind of hatred
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  Speaker 17: is becoming normalized in Britain from our universities, so our
• 44:42
  Speaker 17: healthcare service, and it's really really quite frightening stuff. I'm
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: not necessarily saying that this individual that was holding a
• 44:49
  Speaker 17: Palestine flag is anti Semitic, but we are seeing this
• 44:53
  Speaker 17: kind of rhetoric coming from genuinely anti Semitic people across
• 44:57
  Speaker 17: British society and it's really horrifying to Unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: Now, while all of that is going on, of course,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the government is obsessed with Islamophobia, but a UK poll
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: has found that the government's plan for an official definition
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: of Islamophobia would hand Nigel Faraja's Reform Party a one
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: hundred seat majority. The proposal is so unpopular with working
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: class voters pundits now believe labeled almost certainly be obliterated
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: at the polls if they go ahead with this definition
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of Islamophobia. Just quickly, what's all that about? And why
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: is it so unpopular with so many people?
• 45:33
  Speaker 17: So Angelo and the low parties Angela Rena has basically
• 45:36
  Speaker 17: dune her heels into establishing a new definition of Islamophobia,
• 45:39
  Speaker 17: which you kind of have to ask yourself, why do
• 45:41
  Speaker 17: we need a new definition of Islamophobia. I mean, hate
• 45:44
  Speaker 17: speech and rustoric and any sort of bigotry has already
• 45:47
  Speaker 17: been legislated for in current legislation, so you can't actually
• 45:50
  Speaker 17: get away with bleats and hatred. But she feels the
• 45:53
  Speaker 17: need to come up with a new definition for Islamophobia,
• 45:55
  Speaker 17: and so she's put together a working group to lead
• 45:58
  Speaker 17: the charge to define an Now, this working group isn't
• 46:01
  Speaker 17: open to the public, so public feedback is not going
• 46:03
  Speaker 17: to factor into whatever definition they settle on and what
• 46:06
  Speaker 17: will be the legal definition. And she's hoping that the
• 46:10
  Speaker 17: fact that it's being headed up by Dominic Greeve, who
• 46:12
  Speaker 17: was a former Tory minister shows bypasses and supports and
• 46:16
  Speaker 17: is going to miss OUs the public. But the public
• 46:17
  Speaker 17: aren't buying it, and I'm sure that's what's being reflected
• 46:19
  Speaker 17: in the post. Many people are concerned that this is
• 46:22
  Speaker 17: just going to narrow what we can say in public.
• 46:24
  Speaker 17: We already have Lucy Connolly serving thirty one months in
• 46:26
  Speaker 17: prison for a tweet that she deleted half an hour later,
• 46:30
  Speaker 17: and dominic grieve doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I mean, back
• 46:32
  Speaker 17: in the twenty nineteen report, he said that talks of
• 46:36
  Speaker 17: the grooming gangs in Britain, which I'm sure everyone has
• 46:38
  Speaker 17: heard of because it's basically Britain's national shame the world over,
• 46:41
  Speaker 17: he said that it showed anti Islamic, you know, hatred,
• 46:45
  Speaker 17: and you just have to think, what planet are you
• 46:47
  Speaker 17: living on? And this is the person that's supposed to
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: provide us with a new definition of Islamophobia and provider,
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: you know, give us confidence that it's not going to
• 46:54
  Speaker 17: restrict free speech on things that are really affecting this country.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think so.
• 46:58
  Speaker 17: And again this would be handling a very easy He
• 47:00
  Speaker 17: went to NAJA for arms Forajer's reform, which has been
• 47:02
  Speaker 17: leading in the palls quite consistently for the last few months.
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  Speaker 2: Now Esther, we've only got one minute left, but I
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: want to finish with something nice. It's an incredible story.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Actually the BBC Proms. It's a series of classical concerts
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: held over eight weeks in the UK and broadcast by
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the BBC. But a one handed pianist has made his
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: first appearance. Nicholas McCarthy has captured everyone's attention at the
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Royal Albert Hall in London.
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  Speaker 6: Have a look at this clip, Esther.
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  Speaker 2: Just extraordinary, probably the first thing the BBC have shown
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: in a long while that I think everyone could get behind.
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  Speaker 17: Absolutely, and the BBC does need some good press because
• 47:51
  Speaker 17: while they are in the press, they don't do very
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: well in getting themselves good press. I was actually a
• 47:55
  Speaker 17: bit skeptical when I heard of a one hundred pianist.
• 47:58
  Speaker 17: I'm sure as many people were. But he he's brilliant,
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  Speaker 17: Nicholas McCarthy. I mean, he was sharing the story about
• 48:02
  Speaker 17: how when he tried to take lessons as a kid.
• 48:05
  Speaker 17: You know, he faced obviously a bit of resistance because
• 48:08
  Speaker 17: he only had one hand, but he kept persisting. And
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  Speaker 17: I think this is a very inspiring.
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  Speaker 2: Very extraordinary, absolutely inspiring, Esther. I've got to leave it there.
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  Speaker 2: We've run out of time, but thanks for joining me
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: tonight and for you at home, Thanks for watching, but
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: stay with us. Up next is Steve Price filling in
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  Speaker 2: for sharing markson good Night