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Intel On Training Camp Developments Ahead Of Eagles Joint Practices Vs. Browns · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It's
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Jeff Moser out of KAPANI Inside the Birds. It's an
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exciting time. The Cleveland Browns are in Philadelphia. We got
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joint practices starting today. The Eagles and the Browns will
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take to the Novacare Complex the third time in the
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last five years. I believe these teams have done that.
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So that's pretty cool.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And then Adamy, as you know, two days of joint practices,
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day off, and then they'll play the Saturday mattin A.
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Speaker 3: Reporters love it. It's great, but it means, you know,
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can't it just be at night?
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Speaker 1: Can I?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: No, no, you had it right the first time. Report.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. It's funny because we did a really
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cool last Thursday. We did a for Tier three only
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Patreon members. It was awesome. We had a really good crowd,
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very live, got in everyone, everybody got the constant questions in.
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It was really fun.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I if I could swing, and I'm probably gonna do it.
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I had such a good time. I didn't know what
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to expect. I didn't know if anyone would show up.
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I don't know if any more people.
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Speaker 1: Probably more people talking to you than they were watching
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the game at that point.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah's second half. Yeah, well it's second half,
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but that one will probably be a quarter of three,
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I think if we do it, because it's about an
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hour and a half. You know, first half is like
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an hour and a half. Okay, but anyway, so yeah, yeah,
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I love. It's third time in four years. They actually
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the first one was twenty two, then did twenty three,
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not last year, and then this year is a three
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and four years. Wow, that's I don't know while they're
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playing them, that's why they were doing it. But uh.
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The first one was in Berea, Ohio at the Browns Complex.
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I with the Eagles kick the shit out of them.
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Exchuse my language, but I was there and I was like, wow,
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This former head coach I ran into, who was on
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a training camp touring, said the Eagles are super Bowl team,
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Like really yeah? And he he went through the roster
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with me. I'm like okay, and he goes, they're doing
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a great job with hertze he thought hurts his mechanics.
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He said they were better than I recall. I'm like okay.
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And now you could also say how good of the
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Browns roster was when they Egles went against him, but
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that was prophetic. That was because Sky was right. They
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had a really good roster. And we'll see I look
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for I know you're going so these joint practice or
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something else, Man that they're usually good. You and I
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were at the Miami one where it was the sweat box.
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But that was fun seeing Tyree come run run the
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corners ragged, you know, for the Eagles. And then when
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I saw Tyreek Hill it was a Bucks Dolphins. Won't
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also do the same thing with the Bucks corners, Jamale Dean,
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I forget that was I think it was the same,
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probably the same year. But they're great and well we'll
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before we get out of here, well we'll break down
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exactly what happens. They're very important, by the way, and
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you get great work. And by the way, don't forget
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about who the Eagles saul in twenty seventeen, one Jay Jai,
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who they would trade for.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, they're definitely worth keeping an eye on. Wait,
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the year they traded for Gernard Avery. Was that also
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a year that they had practiced against the Browns? I no,
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I think it was the was the what was the
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first year they did the practice in Brea.
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Speaker 3: Twenty two was the one I was at. I thought
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that was the last one. You might do you think
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is it really four out of five years?
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Speaker 1: It's either no, I think it's three out of five years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, twenty two was the first one. This is
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twenty five.
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Speaker 1: Twenty two was the first one. Then no, because Avery,
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that was he was already he was on nineteen.
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Speaker 3: Okay, and boy, Avery, what a name from the past.
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He really needed to be a thirty four outside linebacker
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or an odd man front have him stand up. But yeah,
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so yeah, I'm looking forward to it and should doors standers?
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Oh boy, this is this is good because you know
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that the media naturally is obsessed talk shows, National Talks
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was obsessed with this guy.
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you name it. It's good asking you. That's coming up.
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The chalk talk with the last one with John D.
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Flippa hole he did oh T A O T A
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preparation and what to expect. Yep, he did a training
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camp and then the next I gotta get him again
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to break down what the end of training camp? How
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you decide what's really what like? How do you how
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do you do you tell you what when you you
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sit down with the general manager? How do you decide
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what the roster's going to look like? Because you're gonna
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have to say, it's not your call to GM's call.
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But how does talks go? I'm very curious. I know
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we asked John that before. That's coming on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get up with them all right. Also up
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on the platforms, Sam Finkle did a great job on
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an inside the data on Jacoreyan Bennett. Now you know,
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we give you all the intel that you need on
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Jacorean Bennett. You know he's clearly in the mix for
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the starting job. He'll get into the mix, you would imagine,
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even more so as the weeks go on here. But
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Sam does a great job of giving you the analytics
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and the metrics and things like EPA and completion percentage
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against him over expectation, things like that. They're really detailed stuff.
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So that's out on both the mainstream platform and YouTube channel.
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Check it out. Even a little bit of a note
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at the end on Darius Cooper, the training camp darling
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of this year, who I think is a little bit
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more than just your your one year darling or one
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summer darling kind of player.
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Speaker 3: Agree. Yeah, he's been a great story and they're doing
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everything we can to have a reason or two to
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keep him on the team, whether it's kickoff returns and
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you show the ability to play inside or outset. What
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a fine Charlton State, Harlton State, All right?
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Speaker 1: Can you name the mascot? Can you name it?
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Speaker 3: You know it's funny. I was looking up I was
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trying to find their hashtag. Uh huh, I know that
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Jaloks Hunt. I knew that. I know that. I can't
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think of the because we we put hashtags, you know,
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on the for for our content, and I had to
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look it up for it's like the standard is their
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hashtag one of them for Jukes Hunt the Houston Christian.
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But I couldn't find it. For Charlton State, I don't
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know what it is.
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Speaker 1: I know their mascot is the Texan Rider little Cowboy,
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because you know the Technis. But yeah, the Texans. That's
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because they're the Texans, Taunton State Texans.
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Speaker 3: Oh there, the Technics. Okay, cool, yeah, yeah, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, let's get into the big news here. The big
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news obviously landon Dickerson. He went down. You were there
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Sunday nights. It did not look good, limped off the field,
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cart it back to the locker room, and he's gonna
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have to have another procedure at him. Now. The optimist,
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the glass half full guy, looks at this and says,
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all right, well it it looks fairly minor compared to
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what I could have been. I know that there's a
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hope that he'll be back by the season opener. It's
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it is. It's miniscus related. We'll get into that in
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a second. And I wrote this for Philly Voice, Adam,
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and I really firmly believe it. I think you're in
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this camp too. Is that you can call this a
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minor procedure, and it is, But when you have had
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when you're having a minor procedure. It's just a few
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months after you had a procedure already in February, which
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follows the four procedures that you had in college. That's
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a lot of wear and tear. It's all in the
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same area, the knees and the ankles or the what
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he has had procedures on, and every time he go
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under the knife, it's a little more wear and tear.
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And I know he's young. He's only twenty seven, I think,
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and three straight Pro Bowls and he's great. There's listen
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lovelanded Dickerson as a player, he's really good. But it's
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hard to see this guy being able to play like
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five to ten more years like some of the Iron
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Man And they're gonna need a succession plan by next
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year as far as the draft or or trademark.
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Speaker 3: But I wouldn't go that far. But I I know
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where you're going, and I agree in that they need
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a backup.
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Speaker 1: I know, I didn't mean like a starter. I mean
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they have to have a guy who can get in there.
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Speaker 3: Jack Chrisco type, Jack Driscoll type. Uh. Someone brought that
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up on the YouTube comments and I'm doing a little research.
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Apparently he had a bad ankle injury. It was legit.
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You know, when he went put on ir like the seventh,
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people like, oh here we go. They don't want to
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he's not going to the playoff roster. So he was
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a fake injury. No, it was that fake injury. He
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acted that bad ankle injury. So we'll see. But that's
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the kind of guy who was a fourth rounder guard
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right tackle. That's well they really need is a guard
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center or because we'll see about Drew Kennell, but someone is.
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You know here, you gotta be with Eagles. You better
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be able to play more than one position on the
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offensive line. That's just the way it is, and that's
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a smart way to do it. You're absolutely right, you're
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you and I think of the same way. Unfortunately, Kenyan
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Green with his shoulder problem and he he wasn't he
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was running mostly on the third a little bit on
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the second team anyway, So they got a problem. Man.
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Because let's let's let's break this down right. So right
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now it's Brett toaf. I know that this has been
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a stout special. He believes in him. He's got this
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great length. He's been on off the roster, but he's
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not developed at any one position. You know, he's been crosstrained.
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He literally played I think every position. I didn't say, well,
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but every position. Okay, so they clearly like him that
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if Stout says I think he can do this, and
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you got to trust the coach, he's great. But let's
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face it, this guy's not a starting level player. If
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Dickerson's not ready, And we'll explain you a little bit
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more in depth what Dickerson's dealing with. I've dealt with
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this meniscus trim situation, reporting on it, delving on it,
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and we'll get in that minute. I got a really
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good nugget, just one guy who actually beat it way
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before the timeline of the real repair. The repair. But
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we'll give you the difference between the two and so
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people learn something. But Brett Toath is not a starring
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level player, right, That's just the bottom line. He didn't
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show what he is. So the question is, as I
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throw it back to you, is Darren Cannard that guy?
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I know you had some good information on him last year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean part of me is a little surprised
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that Matt Pryor isn't first up at Left Guard. I mean,
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I know they like, yeah, right and right tackle, not yet,
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you're right. But that's my point is that I know
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that there's time, but why are we? Why is the
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song and dance of Brett Toath? And I don't mean
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to be what's the word I'm condescending about that. I
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think he's been a nice star. I think it's great
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that he's been able to stick around and be a
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practice squad, this guy who probably shouldn't play in the NFL.
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He's even, you know, played in a couple of games.
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But I don't understand the song and dance when there
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are guys who are more experienced, who are better, who
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have played the position prior being one. And then we'll
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see and yeah, Darren Canard, it's interesting when the Eagles
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brought him over from the Chiefs practice squad, they brought
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him over as a guard or right guard, because the
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Chiefs overdrafted him as a tackle, wound up getting cut
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after one or two years, and he spent a year
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on their practice squad at guard. All right, the Chiefs
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were already looking him at guard. Eagles knew that. They
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brought him in at guard as well, and you saw
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they liked him. They played him a lot but as
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soon as Makai Beckden took over at guard when Stein
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got hurt and won the job, and then they had
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Steen as the backup, they moved Canard back to tackle
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because that's where they needed their number two guy. They
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had Fred Johnson as the swing tackle. And of course,
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you know, Cannard didn't make the fifty three. He was
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on the practice squad. By my point is he was
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he's been cross trained, but they brought him in as
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a guard. They liked him there, moved him to tackle
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when they had depth of guard, and now it looks
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like he's gonna get a chance to go back to
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right guard and you know, we'll see or right, yeah,
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they'll cross train him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah he got got snaps at left guard on Tuesday,
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but right, yeah, he's got he's got good. But he
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was the guy who played every snaper. Didn't he start
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and play every step in the preseason? Did he listen?
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Speaker 1: Uh? In some games? I don't think he played every
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single snap of every game.
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Speaker 3: But game okay, yeah, okay, first two okay, whatever it was.
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It was shocking. We were like that was a funny story.
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But yeah, they like him the obviously. Yeah he yeah,
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he he his his practice squad. Yeah, they he actually
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has been on the roster. Wait did he make it
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last year?
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Speaker 1: He No, he made the Uh he may have made
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the initial I forget, but I think he was on
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the practice squad for most of the year. I don't
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think he was.
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Speaker 3: I think he was. Actually I think he was.
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Speaker 1: Oh, no, you're right, you're right.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: He was fifty three but inactive for most of the game.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he wouldn't dress, but yeah, he was on it. So, yeah,
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you're right. They clearly like him. Yeah, they're now. It's
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not easy. So I talked an offensive line coach about
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this this week. He said, it's nothing like you think.
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You think, oh, it's just a guards in to your spot,
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but it's it's who you have on the opposite side.
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It's it's like, if you're a right guard, you've got
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this on the right tackle. If you're moved to left guard,
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you've got the left tackle and center. The footwork's a
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little different, hand user just it's mentally different. It's not easy,
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and quite frankly, this really should have been done in
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the off season. Maybe some of the people were there
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the reporter saw it. I don't I don't remember that
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in the off season, because I know they have time now,
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but you'd rather have cross trained in the spring because
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and you know, we never really talked about this, because
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it'sund like you're expecting Dickerson to get hurt. And clearly
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they were expecting Kenyan Green, for shoulder bothered him to
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be a factor and he was not. So here we
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are now, it's Brett Toath, it's Canard, that's in Matt Prior.
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They're going to have to do this. They have to
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cross train him because ken O Lamb could play left
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or right tackle. Yeah, not Prior, as he said, as
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we move along here, plenty of starting experience, but he's
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never started a game at left guard, never had. I
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don't even know if he's even played it before.
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Speaker 1: All right, And by the way, I think the more
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logical thing to do, just to keep people comfortable would
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actually be to play Tyler Steen at left guard, because
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Steen played a lot of left guard, well not a lot,
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but when he played last year he wound up going
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into left guard quite a bit. And then you can
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play Canard and or Prior on the right side, where
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they have either trained at right guard or right tackle.
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So from a comfortability. I think that makes the most sense.
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But to get back to your point, I just wonder
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how much longer the Brett Toath experiment is going to
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go on, and maybe if there's something that only Stalutland
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sees and you're right, you give the guy the benefit
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of the doubt. He's he's been incredible, rarely wrong. But
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it's one thing like to say McKay Beckton can do it,
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when McKay Beckton was a once a great tackle in
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college and had a lot of experience. Yeah, I'm talking
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about a guy, and Brett Toath has been here. He's
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been around the league now for seven years. I mean
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Staltlin's seen plenty of him, and he never really makes
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that it has ever since earlier in his career, hasn't
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really made the team. So that's where I'm wondering.
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Speaker 3: Like, I'm twenty nineteen, this.
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Speaker 1: Is in season. Yeah, I get credit for the Cardinals
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for one year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh boy, they were pissed when the Cardinals claimed
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that they were shocked. Yeah, he's been hard, he missed,
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He's missed a lot of time. I give this guy credit.
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He's now twenty eight years old. Really, he's the fact
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that he's on the roster. Look, there's a saying in
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the National Football like, if you're on the roster, we
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believe you could start at some point. He hadn't shown that,
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but I'm just that's the way the clubs think. Right,
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We'll see what happens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's it's it'll be very interesting to
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watch at some point if if there's a changing of
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the guard, right and it is Kenari or Pryor, I'm
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going to go back and say, well, what was so
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important about that first practice that you needed to play
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Brett Toth there instead of getting I just maybe won't
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understand it. But I don't know.
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Speaker 3: You know, what's not my job done? Right? I agree?
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But we got today and tomorrow. Today is a heavier practice,
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Thursday's light walk through, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, the games. We'll
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see what stouts got up asleep. But just on the meniscus,
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understand something. The trim is almost it's textbook. It's summer
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in the range of two to four weeks a trim.
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As they snip a piece off, you gotta feel better,
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and I know you you had a was it Herman
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who came back to incredibly Queah He missed one game.
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Speaker 1: Then they had the bye week, and then the following
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week I think they played like a Monday or something.
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I give him an extra day something like that, and
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he played that week. So it was really like from
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snip the game, it was like three weeks something like that.
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But he barely missed any time. I think he missed
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that one game.
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Speaker 3: So the repair is actually full fledge meniscus surgery, and
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when that happens, it's generally four to six months. Adrian
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Peterson is the only player that I in twenty seven
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years of cover this business, he only beat. He just
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beat the timeline. Okay, he had surgery and whatever year
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it was, in September, he's back in the summer. I
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couldn't believe it. Yeah he was. It's like unheard of.
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Speaker 1: And that was that was a full tear.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. The repair, it's called the repair. It's treading versus repair.
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I learned this the hard way many years ago of
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trying to figure that one out and talk to so
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many doctors and trainers. They they don't agree on everything,
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but they'll give you the timeline of typical that not
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every needs the same. Where it's ad is, there's the
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other associated issues potentially with the MEE and you mentioned
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to start the show. Both acls have been repaired head
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the surgery. We don't know what was for earlier this year.
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Dickerson after the season, after the super Bowl game, credit
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for playing unbelievable this guy. But you know he turns
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twenty seven and September thirtieth, it's been through a lot.
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We'll see what exactly he'll be back. But see, here's
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the one thing I do worry about. Let's say three
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weeks to night, I goes. You know I'm playing. I'm good,
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but they have to judge which is it. Because it's
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a long season. I'll see this again. This could be
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a super Bowl team if that other corner spot could
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be not embarrassing, it could be surceable. This team could
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make another run because the offense should be phenomenal if
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everybody's healthy. But if you don't have to, if Dickerson
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is not right, don't play him. You got a long season.
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There's no there's no there's no to me, there's no
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reason unless he's himself, don't do it.
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Speaker 1: All right on the other side of the ball, yes,
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Eagles are pretty thin in another spot on the interior
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into your defensive line. I mean, you know, obviously the
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tradon Thomas Booker, Gabe Hall is hurt. You know, they've
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got their their starters are fine with a Joemo and
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with Jordan Davis and with Jalen Carter, but it's behind them,
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Adam and those are the guys that are gonna play
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mostly the behind guy, the reserve guys. They're they're they're
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pretty thin here. And you know, I know they made
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a move on Tuesday, right they signed a defensive tackle,
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so that adds to the bunch they've got. But it's
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kind of funny you watch the if you remember the
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Bengals game, because Jordan Davis is not playing. They're in
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their five man front. I'm like, oh, that looks like
19:39
Joe Evans out there right, Uh, you know, first team
19:43
nos tackle. And then Jacob Sykes is in just a
19:45
little bit later. But obviously Hall, the Hall injury is
19:49
not great. And Byron Young was just coming back too.
19:52
He's rounding in the form. It would nice to be
19:54
at both those guys be healthy at the same time.
19:56
Speaker 3: We'll see what Young does. He did light work on Tuesday.
19:59
So yeah, Justin Rogers is the guy they signed. So
20:01
he was a seventh rounder for Dallas who who was
20:06
on He got cut last year. He was drafted in
20:09
seven round. Last year. He was on and off the
20:10
roster and then to the Bengals practice squad and then
20:14
Seattle signed him and they cut him. Eagles just brought him. Man,
20:18
they need a camp body. We'll see where it goes.
20:20
Guy was drafted, so he's got some talent. We'll see
20:22
where it goes. Uh, there they boy. And a little
20:26
inside football thing when you see it like I was
20:28
when I was at the practice Sunday night. When you
20:31
see a player hold his arm, it's almost always his
20:36
shoulder m hm.
20:38
Speaker 1: Right, And.
20:40
Speaker 3: I'm like, this has got to be a shoulder. We'll
20:42
see if they put injury pat report out and they
20:43
did on Tuesday and it was his shoulder, I have
20:45
no idea how long he's gonna be out or we'll
20:47
see what he does and doesn't do over the next week.
20:50
That's bad because you want to tell paper thin. So
20:52
they made you made the They made the trade, as
20:55
you mentioned, they traded Thomas Booker the Raiders. I don't
20:58
think that trade would have got done for Bennett without
21:00
I'm getting detackle. They had to because they were You
21:02
can think that he goes depth now is bad. The
21:04
Raiders had nothing if they cut Wilkins. Right So, right now,
21:09
it's the three guys and their five man front O
21:11
Jomo Davison, Carter Ty, Robinson, barr Young who just got back,
21:17
Gable who's hurt, Psykes, Rogers, and Evans. They have enough
21:22
bodies to put out there for practices. But man, if
21:26
this is the regular season, I know we're not there yet.
21:28
I'm just pointing it out. Barr Young has played it
21:31
I think one NFL game, to Robinson's never played in one.
21:34
Gaye Hole has never played in one. These other guys
21:36
are just street free agents, undrected free agents other than Rogers.
21:41
You can't. You just cannot afford another guy to get hurt.
21:43
And I know that they like going young. I get it.
21:47
They proved themselves right last year. But it's all about
21:50
death and rotations. You got to have enough guys.
21:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, they went from just twelve years, seven years seven
21:56
two years ago they kept seven dt something crazy.
21:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, traded Street. That was actually smart by Howie, as
22:02
much as other teams made fun of him, because I
22:04
remember we were getting some comments like what is he
22:06
doing the method to his madness? Man, But I'll say
22:09
this before we move on to the corner and how
22:12
he putted it out just the wanted people to know
22:15
they have thirteen draft picks. He said it in the
22:16
post draft one of the post press conferences. They have
22:20
thirteen draft picks for next year, folks. Yeah, we pointed
22:23
out a thousand times since we started the show in
22:25
twenty eighteen. Ronald Darby, CJ. Garda Johnson, other players late.
22:32
He'll do it. He's someone who used to work for
22:34
him and told me he had a great line that
22:37
goes one of the things he loved about Hollie. He
22:39
doesn't give a bleep. He's fearless. If they need to
22:41
do something, he's doing it. So he's not afraid like
22:45
these other gms having draft picks, like what are they for?
22:49
Use him his currency? Trade them, go get somebody.
22:52
Speaker 1: Not picking thirteen players, you know that exactly.
22:54
Speaker 3: It ain't happening. And unfortunately the year that they had ten,
22:58
it didn't go very well.
22:59
Speaker 1: No, I did not. Anyway, Mantre Jimps Johnson started to
23:03
get a little work on Tuesday in the Hampshire. Hopefully
23:05
he'll be able to make it to these joint practices.
23:08
We'll see. It will be nice, just because I thought
23:10
he was having a nice little camp. He's one of
23:13
those guys we thought might and I want to see
23:15
that continue. So we'll see there. And then the secondary
23:18
mccouba got back and its first team Adam, you know
23:21
that they were I give him a lot of credit.
23:23
He made it back to that practice before the Bengals
23:26
game was on Tuesday. It was a lighter session. He
23:29
was limited, but he was out there doing work in
23:32
team and seven on seven drills. He was giving it
23:34
his best and so it's good to see him, you know,
23:37
now be able to he didn't play in the game.
23:38
I think I was smart. They withheld him to make
23:41
sure he's fully healthy for this week, and he's one
23:43
of the guys that's really big week going up against
23:46
the Browns and the joint practice.
23:48
Speaker 3: It is because they need to know by the end
23:51
of August is this guy gonna start this year? Because
23:54
if he's starting, they don't need to do on any
23:55
good safety. But if he's not ready, City Brown, I
23:59
know Vic Fandrews said he's improved. There are questions around
24:02
the league. Is this guy really a good fit? Is
24:05
he just a box safety? I know, does he have
24:07
enough versatility?
24:08
Speaker 2: There?
24:08
Speaker 3: There are questions with him about the real fit. But
24:12
mccoob was, you don't draft a guy not to be
24:14
a starter in the second round. That's the way it is, right,
24:16
It's like in front of us, is like not even
24:18
an arguable point. We draft the guys in the second round.
24:20
If he's ready to start it that's the way it is.
24:22
So if they don't know that he's starting, then they
24:25
got an issue, Like then it becomes his Citney Brown ready.
24:28
If not, that's where how he can make a trade
24:30
or some or dare I say Justin Evan, Justin Simmons.
24:33
Speaker 1: Who or who Justin Evans? Oh boy, that would have
24:36
been just just Simms.
24:37
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I know, I know, I'm just kidding Justin
24:39
oh Man. Oh god, don't remember. Was that twenty twenty
24:44
twenty years ago?
24:45
Speaker 1: Twenty three?
24:46
Speaker 3: It was?
24:46
Speaker 1: It was the collapse of twenty twenty three.
24:49
Speaker 3: Still he got hurired.
24:51
Speaker 1: You know, they had buyer that Edmunds, Justin Evans had
24:55
very slowest.
24:56
Speaker 3: People were so mad at us. We said, Arrell into
25:00
the below average Statey we got yelled at the first
25:02
round pick. What are you talking about? Okay?
25:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, said the same thing about the linebacker last year.
25:07
So it got the same response.
25:09
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely why people love to live out of the past.
25:12
Speaker 1: Man, some people don't learn, you know. That's all right,
25:17
I'm gonna ask you this though. Okay, yes, mcoper, mccooper.
25:21
They need to know if he's gonna be the starter.
25:22
And in the the realm of starter, it means you're
25:25
playing the most snaps, You're you're really the starter in
25:28
the Nickel package is their primary package. But are you
25:31
getting in the same sense that when the season starts,
25:34
when they're in a five man front, it's gonna be
25:35
Cooper to Gene next to reblanket ship, which, by the way, Yeah.
25:39
Speaker 3: But but I'm just gonna I'm just gonna throw this
25:42
out there, Okay, Greg co Saul must have mentioned twenty
25:45
times to me. Remember mccoop played nickel and Clemson. He
25:48
was really good at it. Yeah, so let's just see
25:52
what happens here. I'm not Vic. Like, we know that
25:56
they drafted the Gene as a corner. We get that.
25:58
But you're allowed to change your mind if you if
26:00
you think that you know Vic with Vic. Once Vic
26:03
does like he's gotta he's gotta let everyone know at
26:05
the front office, including the Gruermal manager they had coach
26:07
a That's what I'm thinking. But you're not going to
26:10
overrule Vic. And if he thinks if he's not happy
26:15
with Makouba, or he doesn't think he's ready yet, an
26:19
he thinks that Coop should be a safety this season
26:22
more than just base, then that's happening.
26:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, to your point, last year,
26:27
at this time, QUINNYA. Mitchell was still a slot nickel cornerback.
26:31
He was he was the slot corner. He was playing nickel.
26:34
I really he opened it can't remember. It wasn't until
26:38
Cooper came back because you had Isaiah Rodgers versus Kielle
26:44
Ringo at one spot, and then it just became Isaiah
26:46
Rodgers and you had Darius Lay at the other. And
26:48
it wasn't until mid camp when Cooper de Gene was
26:52
ready to come back, did they move QUINNYA Mitchell outside.
26:55
So anything, something could happen this week. Right to your
26:58
point where all of a sudden, Cuba, who is not
27:00
repped at all at Nickel, maybe he's playing Nickel and
27:03
you're seeing Coopa's safety. I doubt it, but I'm just
27:06
saying to your point, I.
27:08
Speaker 3: Never know that you got. I'm just telling you it's
27:11
always about what's best for the football team and put
27:14
your best leven out there. I know it's clich ish,
27:16
but Jean's one of the best players on the football team, right.
27:20
But Cuba could wind up being really, really good. Like
27:22
you talked to, I know you have the same response
27:24
from NFL people. Everybody likes Macouba. They're worried about the frame.
27:28
We know he's put weight on, but that doesn't cure
27:31
You don't become like mister Olympia because you put ten
27:34
pounds of munths on weight. That doesn't make you stay
27:37
any healthier or guarantee it. But the kids really gifted,
27:42
so we'll see. I've kind of learned a lot from
27:46
this VIC experiences, which I've loved. By the way, I
27:48
just think he's what you're trying to warn people. These
27:51
idiots are saying, well, like I never number one defense,
27:53
how good he could be. It's dumbest thing I've ever heard.
27:56
Be careful social media, man, people say stupid shit on there,
28:00
not just so I don't. That's why I don't say
28:01
I just put my information. I don't say anything because
28:04
you can't help stup people who don't get it. They
28:08
see someone else say something, they think these people are smart.
28:11
Just be careful, man, be careful.
28:13
Speaker 1: For the largest echo chamber.
28:15
Speaker 3: Oh. I liked it actually in the beginning, and then
28:18
it became so confrontational and toxic and it stopped becoming
28:24
a learned helping people learn the game. That's why we
28:26
created this this platform eight years ago, bringing on our
28:30
people to help people become smarter. Because man, when you
28:32
say Vic fangerw is not that good of a defense coordinator?
28:35
What are you looking at? If it just bothers me
28:38
when people say stuff like that and they're not held accountable,
28:42
like you can't you could, like, but give me facts like, oh,
28:48
he's never been good to My favorite one was he's
28:49
never been good without good players.
28:51
Speaker 1: Really amazing, right, what if what did not Sirianni.
28:56
Speaker 3: Say, send me a good coach with that good players?
28:58
Speaker 1: I love what he said that without the greatness of others.
29:01
Speaker 3: You know, no, right, but which he took from someone else.
29:04
But he did say, show me a coach without good players. Yeah,
29:08
and show me he did the advice versa. I'm like,
29:11
thank You's exactly it.
29:12
Speaker 1: Awa his tracker spees for himself. And let's let's finish
29:17
it on this big, big week for the Corners. You know,
29:20
not that not that the Browns passing game is gonna
29:22
be great, but that doesn't matter. You want it. You
29:24
want you want to see Ringo. You want to see
29:27
Dorri Jackson and Corey and Bennett now add to the mix.
29:30
You want to see them be able to handle the responsibility.
29:32
Speaker 3: Well, a couple of things here, so just give a
29:35
quick we'll we're gonna do a preview for the game.
29:38
I know that, but for folks who I don't know
29:40
what's gonna go on. You're gonna see David and Joko
29:42
of the Chief. He's phenomenal, my best tight ends. Nobody
29:45
knows about he He came in too. He was probably
29:47
twenty years old when he was drafted. He is a
29:50
They love him, Santa Chilman. I'm all enough to remember
29:53
his dad when he was with the Broncos. And Mike Shanahan.
29:56
He's really good. Number nineteen, Jerry Judy of course, uh
30:01
An X Eagle, DeAndre Carter you might remember him from
30:03
years ago.
30:04
Speaker 1: I cannot believe he is still he is returning. Caam Darling,
30:07
that's made.
30:07
Speaker 3: It who could return? And Deontay Johnson he's still hanging
30:10
on man and and this is great a reunion for
30:16
Scott Leffler, who coached Harold Fannon junior.
30:21
Speaker 1: Yeah there you go.
30:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, good fun.
30:25
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I was gonna say, these will be pretty
30:28
intense practices. They'll be competitive. And Nick Sirianni does not
30:32
typically play his starters, especially he doesn't play him anyway
30:36
in the preseason, but especially after joint practices, because the
30:40
beauty of a joint practice is the coaches can script
30:44
every single scenario you want to see red zone. You'll
30:47
see reds. You want to say, third down, third down,
30:49
third down, short, third down, long, third, medium, goal line.
30:52
Two minutes, drill, four minutes, drill. They get together, they collaborate,
30:55
they want to see this thing. These things may never
30:57
come up in the two or three series that you
30:59
would typically player starters, but they will come up if
31:02
you coach them and write them in to the script,
31:04
which these coaches do. That's why these practices are far
31:08
far better and more exciting and a better product if
31:12
you're able to watch it than a preseason game.
31:15
Speaker 3: Now. I know they won't do lessons with the threes,
31:17
but I've actually come and joined practice over years where
31:19
they actually hit and I couldn't believe it, Like really, Yeah,
31:23
a couple of things they'll just add. Like so basically
31:26
what happens is the night before or the morning of,
31:29
typically the night before fifteen gets there, they exchange the
31:33
scripts about this is what we want to do, this
31:35
is what we want to do. Now, I'm not going
31:37
to mention the former AFC north head coach over the
31:39
last twenty years who did it. So this guy try
31:43
to change a couple of things mid practice with a
31:46
NFC South team, and to say that the NFC South
31:50
team was super pissed at that AFC North head coach
31:54
will be an understatement and they've out never to practice
31:57
with them again. But I'm not going to give away.
31:58
But you could figured it out on your own. So
32:02
to the point is you can't change it up now.
32:04
You could shorten up a period if you think it's
32:06
too much. If you want to go longer, you have
32:08
to ask the of the team, Hey, can we go
32:10
a couple more minutes? But it's totally scripted two minute,
32:13
four minute goal line situationally one on one. I love
32:17
watching the one on ones. It's it's it's fun. I
32:21
love these things. Good for the Browns and Stefanski and
32:23
Sirianni and the gms and who obviously know each other,
32:27
Howie and Andrew Berry worked with her and Adam Berry's
32:29
brother's twin brother looks just like him work for the Yes,
32:31
he does looks. Yeah, you would think that they were twins.
32:33
They're not, but it looks just like him. Well oh there,
32:36
I didn't even know that, but I think Adam's younger,
32:38
right is that young?
32:39
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? No? Wait, which one is? The Browns GM
32:43
Andrew yes, yeah, Adam is the younger one, right.
32:47
Speaker 3: Okay, but on your point, So last week the guy
32:50
walked right by me, I'm like, wait a minute, wait
32:53
oh that's Adam Barry. Oh my god. It's just like
32:56
them anyway.
32:56
Speaker 1: You think they were twins. That's funny, all right. So
32:59
that's that's pretty much the roundabout. And of course we'll
33:02
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