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Midday Missing - Amy Lynn Bradley & Celina Mays · True Crime and Wine Time

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Speaker 1: Hello, lovely people, and happy hump Day. I'm kind of
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Speaker 1: I am Terry True Crime and Welcome to Midday Missing,
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to keep all of this a secret.
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Speaker 1: So nobody asked me, nobody.
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Speaker 2: Try to get it out of me.
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Speaker 1: But if you want to send me a couple of
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Speaker 1: cases a whine, maybe I'll tell you.
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Speaker 2: Just kidding.
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Speaker 1: In case JT's here, I'm not gonna tell anyone. So Hello, Sam, Hi, Amy,
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Speaker 1: thank you, guys for being here.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, I'm trying to figure out my camera situation.
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Speaker 1: My first case today is I'm gonna be honest, not
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Speaker 1: when I would typically cover because it has received tons
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Speaker 1: of media attention. There is Netflix documentaries about it. But
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Speaker 1: it's a case that has haunted me since I first
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Speaker 1: heard about it. I bet you I've listened to five
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Speaker 1: different podcasts about this case. I've watched the documentaries, I've
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Speaker 1: watched the shows. So I decided I wanted to cover
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Speaker 1: it because just maybe you.
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Speaker 2: Guys haven't heard about it.
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Speaker 1: But if you have, I'm going to tell you go
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Speaker 1: listen to case File's episode about it, because I think
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Speaker 1: it's one of the best. So. Amy Lynn Bradley was
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Speaker 1: born May twelfth, nineteen seventy four, to Ron and Iva Bradley.
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Speaker 1: Now in March of nineteen ninety eight, Amy joined her
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Speaker 1: parents and her brother on a cruise with the Royal
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Speaker 1: Caribbean Cruise Line and they were aboard the Rhapsody.
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Speaker 2: Of the Seas.
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Speaker 1: Now, guys, I have to tell you, I have actually
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Speaker 1: been on that boat.
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Speaker 2: I had to go and look.
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Speaker 1: When I was married to the pos before Perfect doubleh
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Speaker 1: went on it.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't remember if I had done Enchantment of the
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Speaker 1: Seas or Rhapsody of the Seas Beautiful boat, but guys,
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Speaker 1: Amy was reportedly nervous about the cruise, but I couldn't
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Speaker 1: find out what she was nervous or anxious about. In
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Speaker 1: none of the podcast or things I've listened to have
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Speaker 1: said much besides the fact she was just worried about
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Speaker 1: being on a boat out in the middle of the ocean,
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Speaker 1: which I have to tell you, guys, I was kind
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Speaker 1: of that way the first time I went on a
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Speaker 1: cruise back in nineteen eighty nine. I believe it was
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Speaker 1: when I went to Hawaii. But the family set seut
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Speaker 1: on Saturday, March twenty first, nineteen ninety eight, from Puerto Rico,
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Speaker 1: and initially they were enjoying their time together. They were
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Speaker 1: having a great time.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Amy's dad got the trip as kind of a reward
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Speaker 1: for doing such a good job because he sold insurance.
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Speaker 1: So there was also some people that they knew on
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Speaker 1: the boat, so it was a good time for family,
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Speaker 1: but it was also a great time to hang out
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Speaker 1: with some people they worked with. Now on my day,
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Speaker 1: as the ship sailed towards Curaco. I think it's Curaco
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Speaker 1: Cura cow. Somebody tell me.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Kurras South Suh's always there to help me. So Amy
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Speaker 1: and her brother went dancing at one of the ship's nightclubs. Now,
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Speaker 1: Amy was seen dancing with a member of the ship's band.
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Speaker 1: He went by Yellow, but his real name was Alsada Douglas.
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Speaker 1: Now some people may not know this. Not all of
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Speaker 1: the entertainment staff stays on the boat the entire time.
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Speaker 1: They may get on at one port, get off at
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Speaker 1: another port, and that's kind of what Yellow in his
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Speaker 1: band did. Now, after spinning some time there dancing in
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Speaker 1: the nightclub, after some time, Amy's brother was like, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to bed. I've had enough, and he returned to
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Speaker 1: their cabin. Now they had one of those special cabins.
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Speaker 1: It was a large cabin but had multiple rooms, so
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Speaker 1: they're called different different things. But he left Amy behind
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Speaker 1: and she was continuing to dance with Yellow. Now she
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Speaker 1: was seen kind of slow dancing, cheek to cheek, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of that fun stuff that you do. But according
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Speaker 1: to the records, Amy returned to her cabin about five
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Speaker 1: minutes after her brother. So it was about three forty
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Speaker 1: in the morning. So, guys, they were having a good time. Now,
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Speaker 1: the siblings, Amy and her brother, they spent some time
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Speaker 1: talking on the private balcony and we're just, you know,
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Speaker 1: talking about how things went, how great everything is. And
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Speaker 1: our brother was like, girl, I am too old for this.
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Speaker 1: I need to go to bed, So he went to bed. Now,
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Speaker 1: Amy reportedly fell asleep on a lounge chair on the balcony. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you I have slept on the lounge
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Speaker 1: chairs on a balcony when we went on a cruise
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Speaker 1: Forh's fiftieth birthday. It's very soothing. Now, at around five
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Speaker 1: point thirty in the morning, Amy's father, Ron woke up
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Speaker 1: and he saw her legs stretched out on the lunge chair.
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Speaker 1: Her cigarettes were there, shoes were next to it, and
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Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, I'm gonna go back
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Speaker 1: to bed. She's sleeping, okay. He woke up around six
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Speaker 1: am and he thought he heard the cabin door closing,
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Speaker 1: and when he looked out on the balcony, Amy was
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Speaker 1: no longer lying on the loungechrair. So he just assumed,
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Speaker 1: as I would if that she had gone up on
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Speaker 1: deck to have a cigarette. And maybe watch the ship
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Speaker 1: dock because it was a different view than what she
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Speaker 1: could see from her balcony. But he found it strange
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Speaker 1: that she had left her shoes behind, But he was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe she'd just stepped out briefly. Not gonna
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Speaker 1: worry about it, guys. Unfortunately, that is the last time
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Speaker 1: Ron would see his daughter.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Ron searched the ship, but he couldn't find Amy, and
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Speaker 1: he began to worry. So he went back to the cabin,
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Speaker 1: woke up his wife and son, and together they searched
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Speaker 1: the ship for Amy. They went looking on all of
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Speaker 1: the different levels. When they were unable to locate her,
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Speaker 1: they approached the cabin and said, hey, can you make
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Speaker 1: an announcement asking Amy to meet us in this location.
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Speaker 1: The captain refused, saying it's too early for us to
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Speaker 1: be announcing over a loudspeaker into people's cabins, so no.
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Speaker 1: So the family also requested that someone be stationed at
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Speaker 1: the ship's exits to monitor passengers who are disembarking for carousel,
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Speaker 1: but this request was also denied. Now, what I want
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Speaker 1: to tell you is back then, I remember when me
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Speaker 1: and my expos went on a cruise for our honeymoon
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Speaker 1: back in what was that ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: I think it was.
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Speaker 1: They did not make you scan in and off the boat,
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Speaker 1: so stationing someone there to keep an eye out was
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Speaker 1: a pretty darn good idea that they've thought of.
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Speaker 2: But like I said, the captain declined this. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Now, the family continued their search, and they were informed
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Speaker 1: by stip security chief that a thorough search was being conducted.
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Speaker 1: They were going to chuck every stateroom, every worker's cabin,
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Speaker 1: they were going to do all of that. Now, the
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Speaker 1: interesting thing during the time when that was being done,
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Speaker 1: Amy's family was still looking. Amy's brother in count Yellow
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Speaker 1: and Yellow expressed his sympathy about hearing that Amy was missing.
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Speaker 1: Kind of interesting right now. Finally, around lunchtime, the captain
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Speaker 1: made that announcement and she did not respond. She was nowhere.
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Speaker 1: And guys, this is the part that haunts me. They
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Speaker 1: finally realized the family. They asked the security chief, did
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Speaker 1: you do the search? Absolutely? But come to find out,
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Speaker 1: they did not check all of the workers' cabins, They
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Speaker 1: did not go check the laundry, They did not do
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Speaker 1: what I would consider a thorough search, okay, but they
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Speaker 1: did call in the coastguard, and they were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: she was drunk. She must have fallen off the balcony.
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Speaker 1: So they searched the waters. They found no traces of Amy. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so the captain suggested, you know what, maybe she went
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Speaker 1: a shore before you, guys, and you just didn't know it.
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Speaker 1: So why don't you go ahead and go ashore and
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Speaker 1: search for Amy in case she's there?
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Speaker 2: Right? They did.
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Speaker 1: So. Now, I would have left some family on the boat,
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Speaker 1: taken some but guys, I say that, but I don't
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Speaker 1: know what I would have done, because you think the
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Speaker 1: ship is been completely searched right now. When they did,
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Speaker 1: they immediately contacted the local police and the US embassy
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Speaker 1: for help. Okay, the US embassy contacted the FBI. The
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Speaker 1: FBI said, it'll take us about twenty four hours to
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Speaker 1: get there. So the family was like, what do we do?
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Speaker 1: They decided to stay ashore. So a lot of times
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Speaker 1: the boats will pull into Doc Doc in the morning
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Speaker 1: and then they leave in the evening. I've also been
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Speaker 1: on a ship where they stay overnight. This one was
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Speaker 1: going to be leaving again in the evening. So the
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Speaker 1: family decided to stay ashore and the ship left port
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Speaker 1: that evening onto their next destination. Now, the family did
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Speaker 1: this because they were waiting for the FBI. Now, guys,
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Speaker 1: during their time and their search, the Bradleys learned about
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Speaker 1: the huge sex trafficking indush in curas how which I
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Speaker 1: can only imagine sent their fears on overboard. It is
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Speaker 1: a known place for sex trafficking and the sex industry.
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Speaker 1: People actually will go there for sex tourism, which I
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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about until this case. And I started
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Speaker 1: going down. My face is itching. I apologize. I started
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Speaker 1: going down some rabbit holes because that I didn't know
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Speaker 1: that people went to certain places to go have sex
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Speaker 1: with people who've been trafficked. I just don't get why
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Speaker 1: you want would want to. Now, they also discovered that
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Speaker 1: the FBI really had no jurisdiction over the Q cruise ship,
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Speaker 1: as it operates under maritime law. What that means, guys,
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Speaker 1: is when you leave the US and you go out,
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Speaker 1: you are not protected by US laws. The FBI can
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Speaker 1: go and look, and they can kind of assist, but
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Speaker 1: they cannot force the cruise line to do a damn thing.
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Speaker 1: And guys, that's a problem to me. Okay, that's a problem.
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Speaker 1: I also found out one of the reasons A lot
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Speaker 1: of the ships the big shipping cruise lines keep their
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Speaker 1: ship registered in other countries is so that they do
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Speaker 1: not have to follow US law. Say, for example, if
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Speaker 1: they were to register the boat to Galveston, Texas, which
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they would, but you could, they
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Speaker 1: would then have to follow the Texas laws for paying
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Speaker 1: people over time, breaks, all of that stuff, which would
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Speaker 1: put them out of business or make the cruises so
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Speaker 1: expensive nobody could do it now. When the FBI arrived,
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Speaker 1: they along with the Bradleys, flew to Saint Martin, where
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Speaker 1: the Rhapsody of the Seas was now docked. Guys, have
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Speaker 1: to tell you, I love Saint Martin. It is a
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Speaker 1: beautiful place. After I went there on my honeymoon with
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Speaker 1: that previous pos I actually got a little dog and
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Speaker 1: I named him Saint Martin because I love the island
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Speaker 1: so much. I know y'all really wanted to know that
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Speaker 1: right now.
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Speaker 2: Earlier in the cruise.
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Speaker 1: So for those of you who haven't been on a cruise,
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Speaker 1: they're taking pictures of you all the time. When you
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Speaker 1: get on the boat, you take those pictures. Then when
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Speaker 1: you're at the party, you take pictures when you do
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Speaker 1: all of these different events. They take pictures and they
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Speaker 1: have this big area setup where you can come and
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Speaker 1: look at them and then you can purchase them. So
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Speaker 1: the family was excited. After I think they're called their
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Speaker 1: debarking photos, you go. They wanted to look at them.
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Speaker 1: All of the pictures of Amy were gone, and they
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Speaker 1: thought maybe somebody had just misplaced them. Because literally it's
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Speaker 1: like a shelf. You pull yours off, you can put
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Speaker 1: them back, they can get mixed up. The photographer said, hey,
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Speaker 1: don't worry, we can reprint them. It happens all the time, guys.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't until later that the family was like, did
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Speaker 1: someone target her? Did they take her pictures? Because they
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Speaker 1: were interested in her? But you didn't think about it
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Speaker 1: at that time. They didn't start thinking that until after
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Speaker 1: she went missing. Now I found this on some things
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Speaker 1: that's kind of scary to me. When people are leaving
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Speaker 1: the boats and when they stop in port, they bring
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Speaker 1: on food, take food off. New you know, entertainment staff's
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Speaker 1: coming on. You may have staff members that are going
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Speaker 1: to stay there for a couple of days, they're taking holiday,
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Speaker 1: You've got new staff. There's things coming on and off
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Speaker 1: contain nurse of stuff coming on and off. And because
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Speaker 1: they didn't station anyone, guys, Amy could have been drugged
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Speaker 1: and stuck in a case to be taken off this ship.
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Speaker 1: Nobody inspects those that. They do not go through any
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Speaker 1: type of X ray. They don't open the laundry big
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Speaker 1: thing and say, oh, let's see if anyone's in there. Guys,
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Speaker 1: that freaks me the f out. I have been on
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Speaker 1: multiple cruises. That freaks me out that you could smuggle
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Speaker 1: somebody's body off. I could not find that the rules
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Speaker 1: have changed for staff. They make sure staff logs off
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Speaker 1: and on, but they do not that I could find
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Speaker 1: inspect the cargo going on and off. So that is
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Speaker 1: what I personally think happened. But like I said, it's
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Speaker 1: just insane. Over the years, there have been so many
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Speaker 1: tips called it about this case, and the Bradleys have
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Speaker 1: never stopped searching for her. They have had tips that hey,
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Speaker 1: she's here, she's in this brothel. They've gone to look.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they have done what I would do. They
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Speaker 1: have gone above and beyond. Now, like I said, her
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Speaker 1: case has been covered by so many news outlets. I
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Speaker 1: want to tell you, guys, after all of them, I've
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Speaker 1: seen even the TV shows. I recommend listening to Case
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Speaker 1: Files that it's episode fifty nine. They thoroughly explore the
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Speaker 1: strange circumstances around her disappearance and talk a little bit
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Speaker 1: about some theories.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Currently, the FBI offers is offering a twenty five thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars reward for information regarding Amy's disappearance, and additionally, guys,
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Speaker 1: the Bradley family is offering two hundred and fifty thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars reward for information leading to her safe return or
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars for information on her current whereabouts. There are
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Speaker 1: numerous theories about the disappearance of Amy.
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Speaker 2: Some believe she was.
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Speaker 1: Intoxicated and fell overboard, which, guys, then why did her
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Speaker 1: dad hear the door close if she fell over right?
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Speaker 1: While others think she may have been drugged and sold
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Speaker 1: into the sex trade. Now, regardless of the theory that
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Speaker 1: you believe in, it's crucial I think to keep sharing
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Speaker 1: her story because of the sex trafficking industry there. In
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Speaker 1: seeing that and the fact that her photos were taken,
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Speaker 1: he heard the door closing, I mean, I can see
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Speaker 1: I had to stop and think I've left my cabin
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Speaker 1: and not put my shoes on and walked out there
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Speaker 1: just to run real quick, go out and look at something.
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Speaker 1: I can see where she did that. Maybe she was
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Speaker 1: going to meet Yellow out there for a quick kiss
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Speaker 1: talk about what they were going to do that day.
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Speaker 1: But somebody definitely had their eye on her. And the
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Speaker 1: fact that it is a significant hub in the sex trade.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if Amy was indeed sex trafficked, there is
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Speaker 1: still hope that she is going to be found. Okay,
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Speaker 1: if she is still alive, she is going to need
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Speaker 1: and that family's going to need a lot of support
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Speaker 1: because she's been through it a minute now. It's also
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Speaker 1: worth noting that Amy was a very strong swimmer and
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Speaker 1: she was very athletic, which again makes the theory that
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Speaker 1: she fell overboard less likely. Guys, I have fallen into
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Speaker 1: water off a boat when I did a booze cruise.
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Speaker 1: And guess what, Guys, I didn't drown in Cancun. I
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Speaker 1: could still swim, you know, because I swam in high school,
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Speaker 1: played water polo. Still a strong swimmer. Maybe not is
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Speaker 1: my now since I'm closer to death at my old age,
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Speaker 1: but I do think somebody took her and knowing that
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Speaker 1: they could get stuff off the boat really freaks me out.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Now, I also think if she had fallen over the
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Speaker 1: ship was already coming into port, she'd have been able
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Speaker 1: to swim that right. And like I said, her father
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Speaker 1: heard the door open and close. Now, as I said,
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Speaker 1: Amy still remains missing and her family is desperate to
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Speaker 1: know what happened to her. It, as we all can imagine,
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Speaker 1: has impacted their lives. The Bradleys have dedicated their lives
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Speaker 1: to finding Amy. They have appeared on various television programs
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Speaker 1: working with law enforcement, private investigators. Guys, they're also out
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Speaker 1: there doing the good work. They are involved in advocacy,
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Speaker 1: raising awareness about the dangers of human trafficking and the
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Speaker 1: challenge is faced by families of a missing person. So
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Speaker 1: they are turning their tragic incident into helping others.
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Speaker 2: Guys. I think that is amazing.
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Speaker 1: They also have fought to try to change some of
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Speaker 1: the laws that happen on the boats. And I have
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Speaker 1: to tell you, guys, if I go on a cruise again,
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Speaker 1: I'm taking a megaphone because if somebody I know goes missing,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be out there on a megaphone just
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Speaker 1: going through screaming on it. What are they going to
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Speaker 1: do kick me off the boat? I mean, really the
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Speaker 1: other thing. I will never again leave my cabin alone, sorry,
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Speaker 1: even if it's double h and I if I need
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Speaker 1: to go to the restroom, He's going with me.
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Speaker 2: Sorry.
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Speaker 1: After knowing that there is no really rules or regulations
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Speaker 1: and people are drinking a lot and guys rule Caribbean
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Speaker 1: is one of the nicer cruise lines, you know, It's
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Speaker 1: not the party barge like Booze Cruises or Carnival. So
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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you all to please share the
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Speaker 1: missing person flyer that I will repost on all of
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Speaker 1: our social media. They have done some age progression. I
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Speaker 1: really think she was trafficked and I hope that she
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Speaker 1: is still alive somewhere and that she is going to
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Speaker 1: find her way home. So be smart if you take
22:34
Speaker 1: a cruise now, guys, this next case is horrible on
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Speaker 1: many levels, and I want to warn everyone that there
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Speaker 1: are parts that could be triggering.
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Speaker 2: And I should have put.
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Speaker 1: The little banner rolling on here. I forgot to ask
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Speaker 1: JT how to do that. So I want to tell
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Speaker 1: you there are parts that are going to be triggering
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Speaker 1: on this. So giving you heads up now, I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to go into details, but I know it can
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Speaker 1: still be triggering. So Selena Janis Mays was born on
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Speaker 1: March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty four, to Teresa and CJ.
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Speaker 2: Mays.
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Speaker 1: Sadly, Teresa died of a brain aneurysm when Selena was
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Speaker 1: just eighteen months old. Guys, that off the bat just
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Speaker 1: breaks my heart. Teresa's family fought CJ for custody. They
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Speaker 1: didn't think he was the best person to raise her.
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Speaker 1: He had a criminal record, he had some struggles in
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Speaker 1: his life, but they lost okay, and CJ remarried Selena
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Speaker 1: and guys, all of these names, excuse me, I misspoke.
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Speaker 1: He remarried and Selena lived with her father and stepmother
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Speaker 1: in Willingborough, New Jersey. Now the family joined the Gospel
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Speaker 1: of Christ Ministry in Mount Holly, where Selena's aunt was
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Speaker 1: the head pastor. So very tight knit group. Tells you
24:10
Speaker 1: right off the bat. Selena was homeschooled at the church,
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Speaker 1: so not at home. So I don't know why it
24:17
Speaker 1: wasn't called church school, but the church didn't have an
24:20
Speaker 1: organized education program, so she was homeschooled at the church
24:24
Speaker 1: with some other congregation's children and guys. The family spent
24:29
Speaker 1: the majority of their time at the church. That was
24:33
Speaker 1: their community. They were just blocks it was just blocks
24:35
Speaker 1: away from their home. Now, on the night of December sixteenth,
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, Selena had a typical evening. She spent
24:44
Speaker 1: the evening at church. For some reason I read some
24:47
Speaker 1: say the services were canceled, some say it didn't. Anyway,
24:51
Speaker 1: she was at the church and then she went home
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Speaker 1: and she enjoyed some ice cream, talked to her family before.
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Speaker 2: Going to bed.
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Speaker 1: Guys, what was not typical in my opinion, and I
25:05
Speaker 1: think should have been the big lead in this, but
25:09
Speaker 1: because other stories didn't, I didn't. Selena was twelve years
25:13
Speaker 1: old when she went missing. She was nine months pregnant. Yes, guys,
25:20
Speaker 1: you heard me right. She was twelve and was nine
25:25
Speaker 1: months pregnant. Now, before I get feather into the story,
25:31
Speaker 1: I have to tell you I have so many questions,
25:34
Speaker 1: so many questions that I could not get answers to. Okay,
25:38
Speaker 1: please tell me why in the hell is a twelve
25:41
Speaker 1: year old having a baby. Why why is there not
25:45
Speaker 1: someone who's been arrested for statutory rape?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
25:51
Speaker 1: And why does everyone in the family talk to the
25:55
Speaker 1: media back then like it was normal. Maybe I grew
26:02
Speaker 1: up different, grew up Catholic, grew up in Houston. That
26:07
Speaker 1: was not normal to have a twelve year old pregnant. Okay,
26:12
Speaker 1: their body. Just because you can get pregnant doesn't mean
26:15
Speaker 1: your body is ready to have a child. Now I
26:20
Speaker 1: get that they were religious. Now, per Slena's dad, he
26:25
Speaker 1: said she told him that the father of the baby
26:28
Speaker 1: was a sixteen year old who did not go to
26:32
Speaker 1: their church. The guys, they didn't press her for information.
26:37
Speaker 1: Now I have to say, again, excuse me. What in
26:40
Speaker 1: the actual hell. She is a child and someone needs
26:44
Speaker 1: to be held accountable for her being pregnant. And guys,
26:48
Speaker 1: I'm going to just tell you right now, my granddaughter
26:51
Speaker 1: monkey Butt's eleven, she'll be twelve in November. She comes
26:55
Speaker 1: up pregnant and she doesn't want to tell me how
26:58
Speaker 1: it happened. Oh, there's to be a come to Jesus
27:01
Speaker 1: and there I'm gonna cloud up rain on her because
27:04
Speaker 1: she's gonna tell me. Okay, I get she probably is embarrassed,
27:09
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to. Probably she's been abused. I am
27:13
Speaker 1: going to get to the bottom of it.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
27:15
Speaker 1: In this family, I try not to shame victims. Selena's
27:19
Speaker 1: the victim here. The family didn't go after the person,
27:25
Speaker 1: and I have a problem with that.
27:26
Speaker 2: Now. The family said she didn't want an.
27:28
Speaker 1: Abortion due to their religious beliefs, and they said Selena
27:33
Speaker 1: was excited and was ready for the challenge of being
27:37
Speaker 1: a young mother. No, no, no, no, no, no, guys,
27:47
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I think a twelve year old
27:52
Speaker 1: that is, that's just too much. And then to expect
27:55
Speaker 1: the twelve year old to raise the baby. They're twelve now.
28:00
Speaker 1: She was just two weeks away from delivering the baby,
28:03
Speaker 1: which doctors have said they were going to need to
28:05
Speaker 1: deliver by sea section due to her young age, her
28:11
Speaker 1: body couldn't give birth.
28:13
Speaker 2: So again, what in the.
28:15
Speaker 1: Actual hell and why did the police and nobody get
28:19
Speaker 1: involved with the fact that a twelve year old was pregnant? Okay, Now,
28:24
Speaker 1: Selena's four year old stepsister sister found Selena's bed empty
28:29
Speaker 1: on December seventeenth, and all of her belongings still at home.
28:35
Speaker 2: Now in the bed, the.
28:37
Speaker 1: Pillows and blankets had been kind of bunched up to
28:40
Speaker 1: make it look.
28:41
Speaker 2: Like someone was, you know, in the bed.
28:44
Speaker 1: Still don't know who did that, but her father called
28:48
Speaker 1: the police that day and reported her missing. He really
28:51
Speaker 1: thought she maybe ran away because they had had conversations
28:57
Speaker 1: up to her disappearance about the fact that the blood
28:59
Speaker 1: test on the baby when it was born would be
29:03
Speaker 1: able to tell them who the father was, and they
29:05
Speaker 1: said she was worried about that. Guys, she was worried
29:10
Speaker 1: because somebody was going to get in trouble and in
29:13
Speaker 1: my opinion, she had been threatened or something. That's just
29:16
Speaker 1: my opinion, not an expert. Police search for Selena and guys,
29:21
Speaker 1: they've looked into over three hundred tips that have been
29:26
Speaker 1: called in. Guys, Selena nor her child have ever been seen.
29:33
Speaker 2: Okay.
29:34
Speaker 1: The family also said the police or the police also
29:38
Speaker 1: said the family actually hurt the case. It is said
29:43
Speaker 1: that when the father reported her missing, he did not
29:47
Speaker 1: tell them she was pregnant for days. You want to
29:52
Speaker 1: know why, because, in my opinion, he thought he was
29:54
Speaker 1: going to get in trouble for not reporting that. Right
29:59
Speaker 1: she was home schooled, all of the church. They were
30:03
Speaker 1: hiding something. Now, guys, this is where things get even
30:08
Speaker 1: more crazy, and all of my red flags are going off,
30:12
Speaker 1: every little red flag, every hair on my body is
30:15
Speaker 1: standing up. In January, of nineteen ninety eight, Sean Smith,
30:20
Speaker 1: the son of the pastor for the Gospel of Christian
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Speaker 1: Ministry and Mount Holly, was arrested for having sex with
30:29
Speaker 1: young girls of the church congregation. Guys, that is Selina's.
30:35
Speaker 2: Cousin, ding ding ding, ding ding ding.
30:39
Speaker 1: How did the alarm bells not go off for everyone
30:41
Speaker 1: else in law enforcement? She goes missing, and then just
30:46
Speaker 1: a couple of years later, her cousin is arrested for
30:50
Speaker 1: molesting young girls who were thirteen and fourteen that were
30:54
Speaker 1: members of the church.
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Speaker 2: Hello so, but Shaw was charged with.
31:01
Speaker 1: Having sexual intercourse multiple times with the thirteen and fourteen
31:06
Speaker 1: year old and guys. Once again, people get away with
31:11
Speaker 1: refusing to talk to the police. Okay, they refused to
31:17
Speaker 1: answer questions about her disappearance, even the cousin and guys,
31:23
Speaker 1: that's a problem now. One of the newspaper articles I
31:27
Speaker 1: read said that Selena's dad, along with the rest of
31:31
Speaker 1: the family members, were in court supporting Sean at his bail,
31:36
Speaker 1: hearing what the fuck, guys, Your daughter was twelve years old,
31:43
Speaker 1: nine months pregnant, and she's missing, and now your nephew
31:49
Speaker 1: has been arrested for molesting girls around the same age
31:53
Speaker 1: at this church where his mother's a pastor, and you're
31:57
Speaker 1: supporting him at a bail hearing. Please, guys, tell me
32:04
Speaker 1: I get you can still love your nephew.
32:08
Speaker 2: And not approve of what.
32:09
Speaker 1: He's done, and you know in contact, you damn sure
32:12
Speaker 1: don't go to court and support him when your daughter
32:17
Speaker 1: was nine months pregnant and missing.
32:20
Speaker 2: Okay.
32:21
Speaker 1: Now many online and me think that Selena was molested
32:25
Speaker 1: by her cousin and that he was the father of
32:27
Speaker 1: her and born child. Why do I say that because
32:33
Speaker 1: she went to the church and home. Their lives went
32:38
Speaker 1: around this church, which guys a lot of online say
32:42
Speaker 1: the church was a cult, and everything I've read I
32:46
Speaker 1: think I agree with them. Okay, that was a cult.
32:52
Speaker 1: The pastor was in charge and handled everything. Now the
32:58
Speaker 1: church is now an abandoned building. Okay, they lost their
33:01
Speaker 1: accreditation and they no longer were a church. Now Selena's father,
33:08
Speaker 1: the aunt who is the pastor, and her cousin, Sean
33:10
Speaker 1: Smith are all deceased, which means, guys, they can't be questioned.
33:16
Speaker 1: And if everything I read online is correct, they never
33:21
Speaker 1: were formally interviewed at length because they asked for an attorney.
33:27
Speaker 1: Once again, why do people have that right. I'm sorry,
33:35
Speaker 1: this is a twelve year old, this is a child
33:37
Speaker 1: who's pregnant with the child. There should be something legally
33:41
Speaker 1: you can do to force somebody to talk. Okay, there
33:45
Speaker 1: should be. Now, there is a chance that Selena and
33:48
Speaker 1: her unborn baby are alive and we're taken somewhere. She
33:52
Speaker 1: was twelve, Maybe she doesn't remember who she was. I mean,
33:57
Speaker 1: there are just so many things, and there's a chance
34:00
Speaker 1: that they were both killed to keep the dirty secret
34:04
Speaker 1: quiet for the church. I however, like to be hopeful,
34:08
Speaker 1: and I hope that Selena is alive as well as
34:10
Speaker 1: her child, and I hope one day through DNA that
34:16
Speaker 1: the family gets answers. I'm going to say the mom's
34:19
Speaker 1: side of the family, not the dad's side. They were
34:22
Speaker 1: all the church people. I'm going to say for the
34:24
Speaker 1: mom's side, because they deserve answers. I did find a
34:30
Speaker 1: young lady who is her sister, the one that found
34:33
Speaker 1: her missing. Has done some tiktoks, she has done some
34:37
Speaker 1: great interviews. She is still looking for her sister. And
34:42
Speaker 1: one of the interviews I loved that she you know,
34:45
Speaker 1: talked in case Selena could hear her. She said Hey,
34:49
Speaker 1: our family is dysfunctional. It is still dysfunctional, but you
34:54
Speaker 1: will be safe if you come home. And I applaud
34:59
Speaker 1: her doing that because I can't imagine it's easy, and
35:03
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that a lot of family members are
35:07
Speaker 1: not happy.
35:07
Speaker 2: That she's doing that.
35:09
Speaker 1: But someone knows what happened, and just because three family
35:13
Speaker 1: members are deceased doesn't mean the truth will stay hidden.
35:17
Speaker 2: So someone else knows.
35:20
Speaker 1: As we know, everybody talks, and he was molesting other girls.
35:27
Speaker 1: People know, So I hope someone will come forward and
35:31
Speaker 1: tell the truth. Like I said, her sister continues to
35:34
Speaker 1: search for her and seeks the truth. So if anyone
35:39
Speaker 1: has information regarding Selena Mays, please contact Willingborough Police Department
35:44
Speaker 1: at six zero nine eight seven seven three thousand. Now, guys,
35:52
Speaker 1: we're going to end today a little different.
35:54
Speaker 2: So if you normally.
35:55
Speaker 1: Hop off because I do a cute little story today,
36:00
Speaker 1: I want to end by sharing some stories that should
36:04
Speaker 1: remind us of why staying hopeful is not the same
36:08
Speaker 1: as being in denial. Okay, I want to first tell
36:11
Speaker 1: you about Michelle Whittaker. She went missing in two thousand
36:14
Speaker 1: and two from a truck stop. For six years, her
36:18
Speaker 1: family and law enforcement feared and assumed she was deceased. However,
36:24
Speaker 1: Michelle was alive and well okay. Her disappearance was highlighted
36:29
Speaker 1: on a TV show and a neighbor recognized her and
36:33
Speaker 1: called in. Michelle had left voluntarily after a fight with
36:38
Speaker 1: her mother and guy. She thought no one would care
36:41
Speaker 1: if she disappeared. She was found and she was fine.
36:49
Speaker 1: Next to the case next is the case of Denise Bowlzer,
36:52
Speaker 1: who went missing on January seventeenth, nineteen eighty five. Now,
36:56
Speaker 1: there was a note found in the home she shared
36:59
Speaker 1: with her ranged husband that read, we've got your wife. Okay,
37:06
Speaker 1: first things first, people maybe all are different than me.
37:11
Speaker 1: Don't live in the house with your husband that you're
37:13
Speaker 1: trying to divorce. I'm just going to say it's not
37:15
Speaker 1: a good idea. So but despite this note, the police
37:21
Speaker 1: suspected that Denise had not been kidnapped, but had run
37:24
Speaker 1: away from her life. A year after her disappearance, Denise
37:28
Speaker 1: was indicted for allegedly stealing from her employer. Those charges
37:32
Speaker 1: were later dropped. Her family hoped she would return once
37:37
Speaker 1: those charges were dropped, that they heard nothing from her.
37:41
Speaker 1: Her husband divorced her and moved on with this life,
37:44
Speaker 1: but Guys her family continued to search. Seventeen years later,
37:50
Speaker 1: seventeen thanks to the Internet, a private investigator found Denise,
37:56
Speaker 1: who had been living under a new identity. While Guys
38:00
Speaker 1: her family was overjoyed to have her back, her current
38:04
Speaker 1: husband that she had married was shocked to learn the truth.
38:09
Speaker 1: Now Denise possibly is going to face some legal consequences
38:14
Speaker 1: for that money and for faking her death. Not that
38:19
Speaker 1: she faked her death, but because she was falsely using
38:22
Speaker 1: someone else's information so she was found now. Brenda Heist
38:29
Speaker 1: was a mother of a twelve year old and an
38:31
Speaker 1: eight year old, and she was going through a divorce
38:33
Speaker 1: when she went missing on February eighth, two thousand and two.
38:38
Speaker 1: Her children came home from school, they found the house empty.
38:42
Speaker 1: Their mom was not there. Police looked for no leads.
38:48
Speaker 1: Her husband had her legally declared dead in twenty eleven
38:53
Speaker 1: and remarried.
38:55
Speaker 2: Guys.
38:56
Speaker 1: April twenty thirteen, Brenda walked into the Monroe County Sheriff's
39:01
Speaker 1: office and revealed her true identity. She had been living
39:07
Speaker 1: on the streets since her disappearance, so Guys, she thought
39:13
Speaker 1: living homelessly on the street was a better life than
39:20
Speaker 1: at home. That tells me something was going on right,
39:25
Speaker 1: so I fool for her. However, guys, her ex husband
39:30
Speaker 1: and children, they were hurt by the years of her
39:35
Speaker 1: being gone. They want nothing to do with her, and
39:40
Speaker 1: I find that sad, but I do think it still
39:43
Speaker 1: gives us hope. Again, like I said, that she was
39:46
Speaker 1: still alive. Now this next case, I think everybody listening
39:51
Speaker 1: has heard of this, and if you haven't, I want
39:55
Speaker 1: to tell you you don't know a lot about true crime,
39:57
Speaker 1: or maybe you don't like missing persons. But Stephen Steiner
40:02
Speaker 1: he was abducted at the age of seven by a
40:04
Speaker 1: pedophile and held captive for seven years. He eventually escaped
40:10
Speaker 1: because the pedophile who kidnapped him decided to abduct another
40:14
Speaker 1: little boy named Timothy. Stephen did not want Timothy to
40:18
Speaker 1: go through what he went through, so he and Timothy escaped. Okay,
40:24
Speaker 1: Stephen was reunited with his family. Timothy was reunited with
40:28
Speaker 1: his family. Stephen went on to have a good life
40:32
Speaker 1: got married. However, several years after that, he did die
40:36
Speaker 1: in a motorcycle accident. But so, guys, just because someone's
40:40
Speaker 1: kidnapped doesn't mean they aren't going to be found. Just
40:44
Speaker 1: like This next case Elizabeth Smart. She was abducted from
40:48
Speaker 1: her bedroom at the age of fourteen and held captive
40:52
Speaker 1: for over nine.
40:52
Speaker 2: Months by a couple. Guys.
40:54
Speaker 1: When I first heard about the case, I remember thinking, really,
41:00
Speaker 1: she had to have run away. Nobody's going to go
41:02
Speaker 1: into someone's house and steal somebody. Guess what, guys, wrong
41:07
Speaker 1: it happened. Now, after her case was featured on a
41:10
Speaker 1: TV show, someone recognized her abductor and called the police.
41:15
Speaker 1: She was then rescued and reunited with her family. She
41:19
Speaker 1: still works to bring awareness and works as an advocate. Now,
41:25
Speaker 1: this next one is also a crazy case. J C.
41:29
Speaker 2: Dugard.
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Speaker 1: She was kidnapped in nineteen ninety one and she was
41:34
Speaker 1: held captive for eighteen years. During her captivity, she gave
41:39
Speaker 1: birth to two children. She was eventually rescued along with
41:43
Speaker 1: her children, and the couple who held her were arrested. Now, guys,
41:48
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about this case. When we lived in Brentwood, California,
41:54
Speaker 1: she was found in Antioch, which was right like the
41:57
Speaker 1: town next door. I made double one weekend, I said, Hey,
42:01
Speaker 1: I want to go see where she was held because
42:04
Speaker 1: she was held in the back, sometimes under a tarp
42:09
Speaker 1: a building but there was wires running out there. But guys,
42:13
Speaker 1: eighteen years she was held okay, and she gave birth
42:17
Speaker 1: to two children. She now lives a nice quiet life,
42:21
Speaker 1: you know, and raised her kids. Now, the last case
42:27
Speaker 1: I want to share that I'm calling our hopeful cases
42:30
Speaker 1: is about Michelle Knight, Amanda Barry.
42:33
Speaker 2: And Gina d Hey.
42:35
Speaker 1: Who's heyes, who's and guys, they are a true testament
42:39
Speaker 1: to the power of hope. These three women were inducted
42:43
Speaker 1: at different times between two thousand and two. In two
42:45
Speaker 1: thousand and four by a man who held them captive
42:49
Speaker 1: for years. Now, in twenty thirteen, Amanda managed to escape
42:55
Speaker 1: with her daughter, who was born in captivity, and alert
42:58
Speaker 1: at the police. All three women were rescued and their
43:03
Speaker 1: captor was arrested and charged with nine hundred and thirty
43:07
Speaker 1: seven criminal counts, including rape, kidnapping, an aggravated murder. Because
43:15
Speaker 1: he caused miscarriages in one of the victims, he was
43:18
Speaker 1: sentenced to life in prison without parole. I think the
43:22
Speaker 1: death penalty would have been better, but they don't do
43:24
Speaker 1: that in California. But he took the coward's way out
43:28
Speaker 1: and took his own life. One month into his sentence. Now,
43:33
Speaker 1: I've shared these stories to emphasize that staying hopeful is essential.
43:38
Speaker 1: Hope fuels action. It also helps us cope with tragedy.
43:42
Speaker 1: It also encourages law enforcement and the community to stay
43:47
Speaker 1: engaged and.
43:49
Speaker 2: To do something.
43:50
Speaker 1: It also honors the person who is missing. So I
43:54
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43:57
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44:01
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44:05
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44:08
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44:13
Speaker 1: bring one of the missing that we cover home, and
44:17
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's what we want
44:20
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44:25
Speaker 1: guess what, Guys, the family still would like to bring
44:28
Speaker 1: their remains home and bury them and have some closure.
44:34
Speaker 1: So it is still bringing them home. So please let's
44:38
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44:42
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