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The Incel Trip: The screed goes ever, ever on | HBR Talk 403 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: What if I don't want to break a leg. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to HBr Talk four oh three The in Cell Trip.
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  Speaker 1: The screed goes everever on and now I've got that
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  Speaker 1: song stuck in your head. If you're a ten excerpt
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  Speaker 1: because I did it badly and you have to correct it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Hannah Wallend here with nonsense annilator Lauren
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  Speaker 1: Brooks the personification of perceptivity. I keep running over people. Sorry, Lauren,
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  Speaker 1: say that again. I said, hey, hey, you the personification
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  Speaker 1: of perceptivity. Mike Stevenson Richard.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the one who is trying to insert this Hello. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I know of the show because I think anythink audiences
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  Speaker 2: fucking soundcheck, so hear each other. So yes, Hello, I'm
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  Speaker 2: the fucking personification of.
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  Speaker 1: Rectivity.
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  Speaker 2: When people say nice things about me and I cringe
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  Speaker 2: every time. But fine, it's fine, it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, at least at least it's it's easier to say
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  Speaker 1: than the label I gave Adan Paladin. She is the
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  Speaker 1: professor of perspicacity and all y'all are going to have
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  Speaker 1: to look that up because I'm not going to tell
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  Speaker 1: you we have Richard the Lion.
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  Speaker 2: He sounds like you've told me with her there, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine with that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was gonna say both both Hello Richard,
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  Speaker 1: and both both of y'all are very not at academic
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  Speaker 1: in terms of like look everything up and that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. But everything that you every everything that you approach,
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  Speaker 1: you approach with a very academic study level of figuring
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  Speaker 1: it out.
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  Speaker 2: It's extraordinarily generous to me. Thank you, That's all I'll say.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you are welcome. But in the meantime, while we
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  Speaker 1: Brian Martinez, working in the background to make everything happen.
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  Speaker 1: And that's our show. That's the beginning. So we're still
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  Speaker 1: looking at the the in cell trap article and I
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  Speaker 1: will probably continue unless something odd in particular comes up,
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  Speaker 1: but we will not be continuing with it next week
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  Speaker 1: but we're not doing a show next week, so I'll
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  Speaker 1: the things I say apparently, But even that isn't good protection.
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  Speaker 2: Not to mention misgendered dozens of time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, I should just change my name
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  Speaker 1: and although they do that anyway, so yeah, yeah, mister
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  Speaker 1: are just as guyinocentric, uh uh, And I've I've seen that.
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  Speaker 1: Like I had a hell of a heated argument with
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  Speaker 1: a right wing feminist about this time last year. I
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  Speaker 1: want to say, I said something and somebody got mad
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  Speaker 1: at me, and there was a long thread and there
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  Speaker 1: was all kinds of arguing taking place, which is pretty
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  Speaker 1: much every time I get on Twitter anyway, on x anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But then somebody said something that I responded to by
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  Speaker 1: retweeting it with the comment it was something about a
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  Speaker 1: percentage of I think it was one hundred percent of
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  Speaker 1: abortions or caused by men, or some dumb shit like that,
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  Speaker 1: and I responded with one hundred percent of women who
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  Speaker 1: say shit like this do nothing but prove that Islam
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  Speaker 1: was right about women. And that set her off. Not
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  Speaker 1: the woman I was talking to, either, just some other
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  Speaker 1: rando that I had never met before. And I did
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  Speaker 1: an after show on that thread because it was so
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  Speaker 1: I don't usually go over those kind of conversations on
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  Speaker 1: the public show unless there's something for me to convey
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  Speaker 1: to the public. And as a lesson, learn from what
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  Speaker 1: happened here about you know, some men's issue and what
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  Speaker 1: you can do. I might share other people's Twitter conversations,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't usually share my own. But you might
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  Speaker 1: see a few of them on the after show now
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  Speaker 1: and then if I get a good hysterical feminist or
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  Speaker 1: a shitload of angry commenters. But in the meantime, like
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  Speaker 1: Internet that has to do with men's issues or women's behavior,
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  Speaker 1: which is always a men's issue. And speaking of men's issues,
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  Speaker 1: we are back to the the Incell trip about the
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  Speaker 1: Inceell trap, and the last thing that we read, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: was this top paragraph here Costello talking about men needing
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  Speaker 1: to be able to speak freely and how hard it
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  Speaker 1: is to for to get men to go to therapy,
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  Speaker 1: if you know, they go in and they talk about
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  Speaker 1: what they're experiencing, and all they get back is toxic
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  Speaker 1: masculinity and male privilege, which you know, he's right about that.
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  Speaker 1: That is, but that's that's easy to pick up from
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  Speaker 1: the fact that men's rights activists have been talking about
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  Speaker 1: that for years. So it is. It is good when
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  Speaker 1: people in the Hello.
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  Speaker 3: I did an interview on one on Wednesday?
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  Speaker 1: You did?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was on on the Chronic Show and he
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  Speaker 3: and he interviewed me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's pretty awesome. What did you guys talk about?
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  Speaker 3: But make me growing up?
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  Speaker 4: Me growing up and be peen in cell and about
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  Speaker 4: me being the saple as well?
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  Speaker 1: Is that something that you can put a link to
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  Speaker 1: in in our chat and then we can put it
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  Speaker 1: in the low bar of.
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  Speaker 3: The show give me a minute?
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  Speaker 1: Awesome that way people can get to see it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh and what able of them is a feminist?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can kind of tell. He seems to be
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  Speaker 1: one of the more tolerable male feminists. I haven't. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't had him say anything directly to me that usually,
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  Speaker 1: like when I end up talking to a male feminist,
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  Speaker 1: I get I get bad vibes. One way or another.
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  Speaker 1: Either the guy is he's a male feminist because he
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  Speaker 1: feels bullied by other men one way or another, whether
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  Speaker 1: he has been or not, and some of them have been,
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  Speaker 1: some of them haven't, or because feminism creates a set
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  Speaker 1: of rules that he can use to control other people.
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  Speaker 1: Both sexiest.
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  Speaker 3: Kelvin is a feminist is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: That's another one. A lot of guys end up being
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  Speaker 1: feminists because of their girlfriends or their wives, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of young men end up being feminists at the
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  Speaker 1: start of their adulthood because of their mothers, right their
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  Speaker 1: mothers raise them to be that way, or their sisters
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  Speaker 1: talk them into it. And then after a few years
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  Speaker 1: of living as adult men under the standards that adult
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  Speaker 1: men face and watching women who are old enough to
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  Speaker 1: be adults who don't have to act like adults living
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  Speaker 1: under the standards or lack of standards rather that women
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  Speaker 1: who are adult age have instead, they start to come
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  Speaker 1: around and they stop calling themselves feminists, and then they
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  Speaker 1: start calling themselves anti feminists, and then they start calling
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  Speaker 1: themselves men's rights activists. I'd say probably about a third
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  Speaker 1: to half of the men's rights activism activist movement probably
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  Speaker 1: have had some part in that experience where they've had
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  Speaker 1: enough exposure to feminist propaganda growing up that they believed it,
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  Speaker 1: and whether they call themselves feminists or not, they had
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  Speaker 1: to peel all those layers of propaganda off after adulthood.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that most people recognize that when they're
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  Speaker 1: like high school age, junior high. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: boys now that are figuring it out because it's been inundated,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in their schools. It's been they've been flooded
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  Speaker 1: with it, and it's it's bearing down on them like
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  Speaker 1: a hat that's too heavy, honestly, and so of course
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  Speaker 1: they're noticing it. Go ahead, Richard.
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  Speaker 3: Interfew said, the chat is in the is in the
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  Speaker 3: chat now?
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  Speaker 1: Oh awesome, thanks.
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  Speaker 4: Too.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have to edit that in after the show because
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  Speaker 1: I'm paying attention to five different windows now, so but
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  Speaker 1: I will do that. I do not have to go
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  Speaker 1: to work after the show, because I have to go
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  Speaker 1: to work in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, and Mike, yeah, yeah, to your point, this
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  Speaker 2: is sort of the the mediating factor happens in teenage
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  Speaker 2: years because there's there's something about the teenagers that always
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  Speaker 2: rebels against whatever is going on around them at the time.
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  Speaker 2: And this this force, this effect has sort of been
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  Speaker 2: hijacked over the last century or so. You'll have seen
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  Speaker 2: it through all the happy bullshit and the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: I haven't never that, the communist bullshit that happened for
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  Speaker 2: that and is still happening now. That's because young people
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  Speaker 2: like to rebel. They have this instinct to rebel and
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  Speaker 2: and and so in the twentieth century they rebelled against
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  Speaker 2: stuff that had been working just fine for centuries. And
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  Speaker 2: uh and yeah, and there's and they're still doing it
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  Speaker 2: and they don't they don't know when they've gone too far.
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  Speaker 2: This I have to some degree lost my trade of thought.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, I'm probably making noise.
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  Speaker 2: It's promise you, it's the things going on in my
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  Speaker 2: it's s seculatory.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I can say about feminism is this, all right,
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  Speaker 1: women have spent over two hundred years pretending to rebel
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  Speaker 1: against the the the establishment that is using them and
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  Speaker 1: their pretend pretend rebellion to get more micromanagement power over
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  Speaker 1: the public. And the reason that I say that, that
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  Speaker 1: I say feminism isn't really a rebellious movement, is this
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  Speaker 1: our civilization for about six maybe seven hundred years, has
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  Speaker 1: been fairly guynocentric, right, And a large portion of it,
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  Speaker 1: of course, is the concept of romantic chivalry that was
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  Speaker 1: created by French aristocrats several centuries ago. But that's not
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  Speaker 1: the only There's always been, like, there's always been storgae,
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  Speaker 1: that family love, where the family supports each other, and
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  Speaker 1: there's sort of a hierarchy of we're going to protect
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  Speaker 1: the children, but each level of strength protects the level
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  Speaker 1: that's weaker, and so men might do the physical protecting
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  Speaker 1: where historically a woman would protect her husband's reputation. And
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  Speaker 1: the balance became more and more toward men being the
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  Speaker 1: only ones expected to do any protecting, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: women used to protect the resource of her husband's defense,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And I like to give this silly example
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  Speaker 1: of the obey vow being part of that in your
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  Speaker 1: wedding vows where my husband doesn't really order me around
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  Speaker 1: a lot, so when when he does, I really pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: And one night we were outside on our front patio
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  Speaker 1: and he looked over at me and said, get inside,
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  Speaker 1: get in the apartment. So I did. I went inside,
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  Speaker 1: and then then I you know, I turned around and
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  Speaker 1: look to find out there was a skunk, And you know,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like a silly thing, but I'm allergic to
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  Speaker 1: animal musk, so it wasn't just I'm protecting you from
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  Speaker 1: the stinky little creature. It was you know, this thing
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  Speaker 1: might kive Hanahan asthma attack could kill her. So he
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  Speaker 1: really was defending my life in the moment. But it
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  Speaker 1: does seem like a little thing until you realize that
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  Speaker 1: this is something that women today, or the most part,
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  Speaker 1: don't get that. You know, a guy saying get inside,
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  Speaker 1: get in the apartment, He's not being an asshole. There's
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  Speaker 1: something going on that he's concerned about, and he's trying
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  Speaker 1: to protect you. Right Over the years, women have stopped
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  Speaker 1: doing their part to not put more work on the protector.
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  Speaker 1: If I'd have stayed out there, then he'd had to
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  Speaker 1: get in between me and the animal. He'd have been
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  Speaker 1: fighting with me. He might have gotten bit by the animal.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't know if it had rabies. Skunks are kind
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  Speaker 1: of notorious for carrying that too, so you know, it
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  Speaker 1: could have been a lot worse as it was because
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  Speaker 1: I got in the house and he was able to
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  Speaker 1: scare it away without getting sprayed. Everything was all good. Well. Similarly,
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  Speaker 1: women used to know better than to say nasty things
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  Speaker 1: about their husband publicly shame them on the internet, something
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  Speaker 1: that a discussion about that trended on social media just
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  Speaker 1: recently because of some bitches TikTok video. Women used to
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  Speaker 1: know better than to start conflicts where other men might
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  Speaker 1: be involved when their husband was around, because guess who
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  Speaker 1: he is going to have to protect them from then, right,
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  Speaker 1: you might be getting him into a fight. So women
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  Speaker 1: used to be protectors too, right, not just to the kids,
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  Speaker 1: but he protected her physical side, she protected his social side.
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  Speaker 1: And today women don't do jack shit to protect their husbands.
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  Speaker 1: They won't do anything. Not only will they not do anything,
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  Speaker 1: they will actively publicly damage their husbands. They don't submit,
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  Speaker 1: they don't obey, They passive aggressively push him to fail
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  Speaker 1: and then treat him like it's all his fault. When
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be the supporting partner, they're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be the helpmate in the marriage.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So all of the history of feminism, we've had this
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  Speaker 1: history during a time when our civilization was gynocentric. Women first,
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  Speaker 1: ladies first, right, you take care of the women and
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  Speaker 1: then the men. Get what's left over. And that's always
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  Speaker 1: been throughout the entire history of feminism, communism, all of
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  Speaker 1: the stupid little isms that are victim ideologies that in
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  Speaker 1: any way shape or form prey on guyinocentrism that has existed,
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  Speaker 1: and throughout that time, anytime women said we want XYZ
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  Speaker 1: give us that, it may have taken some push and pull,
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  Speaker 1: It may have taken some discussion, it may have taken
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  Speaker 1: some protests so that the men knew that actually, yes,
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  Speaker 1: all of the women or most of the women want this,
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  Speaker 1: or at least the loudest of the women want this. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they got it. Sometimes they went to court to get it.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they went to legislators to get it. Sometimes they
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  Speaker 1: went to banks to get it right. Sometimes they went
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  Speaker 1: to the media and the public would then shame the
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  Speaker 1: government into giving it to them. But always they got it.
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  Speaker 1: Women want something, they got it. They even got alcohol
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  Speaker 1: outlawed in the United States for for quite some time,
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  Speaker 1: long enough to start a whole brand new area of crime.
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  Speaker 4: Then they helped, didn't they help, not create them, but
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  Speaker 4: gift them more power as well.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah. Rum running. Alcohol running was one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons that the mob actually got a real foothold
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  Speaker 1: as a powerful organization in the United States and so
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  Speaker 1: the whole world.
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  Speaker 2: When why do we do this with every drug?
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens, and they're so stupid.
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  Speaker 3: It helped the Kennedys get rich as well.
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  Speaker 1: Allegedly, yes, but but don't start singing I want to
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  Speaker 1: be a Kennedy because I'm not a fan of that band.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit, okay, uh, But in any case,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to call yourself a rebel when you're you're
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  Speaker 1: literally using the the escalator that was put there by
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  Speaker 1: the builder of the culture that you're repelling against. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: else has to take the stairs, but not not women, children, men,
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  Speaker 1: animals take stairs, women, feminists on that escalator and it
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  Speaker 1: propels you forward and the whole time you can pretend
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  Speaker 1: to be climbing. In fact, you could pretend to be
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  Speaker 1: climbing down and you'll still get to the top as
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  Speaker 1: long as you don't go too fast. And yeah, the uh,
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  Speaker 1: the eighteenth or not eighteenth Amendment, I actually think it
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  Speaker 1: was the eighteenth Amendment. It was overturned, it was the
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  Speaker 1: eighteenth it was it was repealed. It was the eighteenth Amendment.
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  Speaker 1: I just had to sit there and think about it
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  Speaker 1: for a minute. But it was, which is it used
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  Speaker 1: to be? The drinking age too is eighteen and now
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  Speaker 1: it's twenty one, so I keep wanting to think of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: it as the twenty first amendment.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: They tasted the late seventies. Yeah, yeah, yep.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I remember when when I was a kid and my
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: cousins all got upset about that because they were getting
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: close to the drinking age and then all of a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: sudden they weren't. But U But yeah, point being, you're
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: not rebelling when you're literally just stepping onto the fast
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: track right that that propels you through all of the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: red tape to get you what you want. Oh, ginocentrism.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Right now, I'm going to use this ginescentrism against the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: guyescentric culture. No, no, you're not. You're actually just moving
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: forward the guyocentric uh government and and the guyinocentric government
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: is only guyinocentric because you're helping them get more control
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: over men. It's not rebelling, not rebelling at all.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: And somebody who you know, it's just that kind of
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: sension doesn't exist.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Yep. Again, you know a lot of feminists say that,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and it's it's easy for them to say, right if
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: they excuse or ignore all the things that are done
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: in society for women. I just had an example today
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: in a conversation. So, if you look at crime rates,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: violent crime rates, mugging, robbery, any type of aggravated assault,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: sexual assaults, homicide, and attempt at homicides, the overwhelming majority
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of perpetration is against male victims, and the overwhelming majority
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: of arrests are male perpetrators. But when women do it,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: they don't get arrested unless they commit a murder, and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: then kind of they can't get away with that as easily.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And when women do it, people come up with excuses, right,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: she was scared, he was threatening her. When women do
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it to other other men, or when women do it
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to other women women, if the assailant happens to be
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the cute one, she still gets away with it. But
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in any case when women are the victims, feminists will
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: talk about that the tiny percentage of victims right that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: are women, and the tiny percentage of the population that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: are perpetrators. They'll treat that as evidence that men are bad,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: even though the percentage of men that perpetrate is less
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: than one in most in most crimes, and the percentage
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of the of women who are victims is also actually
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: very small, right, They're all minority percentages, and yet they
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: treat the these statistics as evidence of things that they
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: would only be evidence of if they were majority statistics.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So this woman argues to me that men are bad protectors.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: They're bad protectors because some women still get hurt. Most
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: women don't, but some women do well when you look
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: at the statistics. The other thing that feminists use to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: claim that men are bad is that when women do
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: get hurt, it's usually by a man they're close to,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: a family member, often an intimate partner. People choose their
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: intimate partners. Other men are not forcing that woman to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: marry Jeff the Killer instead of Joe the boy next
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: door that they think is boring, So they're not bad protectors.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: They've told her, you know, I think that Jeff the killer,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: he might be a bad guy. You've probably shouldn't hang
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: around with him. But as soon as she gets hurt,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: feminists will blame them. Anyway, what are guys supposed to do?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Chaperone women and tell them who they may or may
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: not associate with. Because the last time women based that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: level of social control, they got mad and demanded change.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And when they got change, then they had their right
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to make their own decisions about who they were going
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to date and who they were going to marry. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: here we are with the most popular romantic novels that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: women like to read being about abusive men and monsters,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: literal monsters.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Is that why I be in the peaces poople?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Probably? Probably so.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: So.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, feminists are not rebelling. They're not rebelling. They're they're
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: exploiting the mechanisms that that run civilization to their advantage.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: That's not that's not rebelling, that's it's participation.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I've i've him cost Low a couple of times for
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: the years he's okay by he.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Talks all the pass so.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: He's misguided, Yeah, well meaning, but misguided.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Would Yeah, he sticks up for itself for some reason.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Probably because he is well meaning, Like I can't see
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a feminist man doing that, unless unless he had good intentions,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Because a feminist man who doesn't have good intentions will
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: trample other men. He'll throw other men under the bush.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I guess because it's the easiest thing to do.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I guess he doesn't see us as competition.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: So well, there is that, But let's see what else
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: he had to say here, She says, I ask Costello
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: how you can approach deradicalizing one of these men after
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: after he just said that they can't even get therapy
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: without being accused of toxic masculinity and privilege, that feminists
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: want men to talk about their feelings, but then condemn
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: men for talking about their feelings. He just highlighted a
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: major issue. And she says, well, how can you deradicalize
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: one of these men? And I bet she doesn't realize
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that she's part of the problem.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: She does, she doesn't care.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: That's possibility. He suggests internet forums for men who have
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: left being an inceel behind. So did they did they
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: find somebody to partner up with? I wonder, such as
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: in cell exit and giving men positive role models and
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: sympathetic dating coaches. Have you heard of in cell exit? Richard?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Ummah, it's some who claim to be ex in cells,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: but they're not really ex in cells, or they weren't
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: really in cels in the first place.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: They just think they will.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Everyone is an inceell by default, are they not? Is
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: this not like virgin I don't know, it's look the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: same as virgin.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: But I was gonna.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Say it has to be involuntary. If you are purposely
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: not having sex, you're not an inceel.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: But the moment you develop the desire to, at the
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: moment you so much is notice the bodies of the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: opposite sex around you. That's that's when you've become voluntary.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Well not when it comes to sexual acts, but that's
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: when you want to. I mean, as literally are we
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: we're talking about sexual desire want.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not just it's not just a desired thing.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about it this way, all right, when
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: feminists talk about consent, and we bring up the fact
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that men's consent isn't sought out by women on the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: same level that they expect women to seek out earth
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: expect men to seek out women's consent. Uh, And and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: we always run into some idiot that treats arousal as
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: consent if the person who is aroused is a man,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: even though they don't treat arousal as consent if the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: person who is aroused is a woman. And they'll even
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: make the argument that men don't have the same self
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: control as women, YadA, YadA, YadA. But there have been
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: numerous religions throughout history and other philosophical belief systems and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: such that have required lifetime celibacy or periods of celibacy
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that were long, And celibacy is generally voluntary or it's
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: expected to be voluntary, and it's not something that you
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: have forced upon you. It's that you are exercising the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: discipline to be celibate despite the availability of partners. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: so I would not say that in cell is the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: condition of all people who are not having sex. I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: don't think that that's quite a correct statement. But I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: I like, we do have a resident expert here. Well, well,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: how hi, I'm it's so weird to hear with a
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: British accent.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I don't know to what extent I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: have been an in cell. The love of my life
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and I were kept apart for three years because of
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: certain geopolitical circumstances, and for those three years we were
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: both in cells.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: So I.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Don't know what that means. But the point I was
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: trying to get across is that in cell is it's
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: such a horribly loaded term that it doesn't really mean
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: anything that someone has done or said. It is a
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: default state. Like the vast majority of human beings, the
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: moment they enter puberty, become very interested in texts that
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that you know, that's not to say they want to
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: be buggered by a pedophile, but they are they enter
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: that stage where you know, they they obviously want to
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: have sex. We've all been there. This isn't all that controversial.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: But to the idea of making an in cell like
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: a term akin to some kind of terrorist cell is
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: it's I've been but many many years I've been trying
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: to get across how wopped that is because that because
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: like ninety five percent of teenage boys by that definition,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: become in cells the moment they hit puberty, and so
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: then it's a race against time to to to make
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: sure they don't become in cells.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That is why labeled that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Way inside inside the next chick they can find, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: it is well, here's the more exploitative of boys than.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Ghost hit on something important, all right, The fact that
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: feminists can claim that it is a race against time
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: from the moment that they hit puberty, that they're they
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: become in cells by default, that at the moment they
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: hit puberty, according to the definition, you're going by and
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I would say feminists are using that definition. When feminists
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: declare something an emergency, they do that for the purpose
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: of being able to make it academic in the term
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: of examining it carefully like you know, like you would,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: but for the purpose of creating like university classes, university research,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and then designing training courses that they can then send
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: feminists out to different schools and train people. They did
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this with consent. Right, every university in the United States,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: when students go through orientation, they have to take a
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: consent workshop or a consent class, or they have a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: consent seminar or some other such dumbass, big university wide
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: lesson on consent. And the reason I say it's a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: dumb ass thing is because it's based on feminism. It's
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: not actually based right, it's it's designed by feminists. There's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: always an organization that designs the materials that are used
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: in that, and there's always somebody getting paid to facilitate that.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Be the professor, be the leader, the discussion leader, give
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: a speech, whatever, a presentation. Uh, there's a lot of
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: money in this.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I expect the same thing to happen with regard to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: in cells that that happened with regard to consent.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: I think the information is getting out on in cells
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: the correct way. So that's gonna happen anytime soon because
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: people's minds is tiing to change it by in cells.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: That's good. That's good because uh, it was already starting
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to see feminist getting dollar signs on their eyeballs, you know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: like they were already on social media talking about how
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: every school needs to have classes teaching teaching boys how
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to respect women.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: And that's sadly, that's sadly starting to happen. My cousins school,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: he has to go to a class like the last
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: is his last class of the day, and by the
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: end of the day, by the end of the day
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: they are retired, so the information kind of gets into
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: their head.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they did that with They did that with
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: turning the portion of of anatomy and physiology study that
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: kids get in health class about the reproductive system into
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: sex education. They took it out of reproductive or out
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of health class like regular health class, and they have
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: this whole separate unit now and instead of just teaching
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: about the mechanics of it, you know, how this is
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: how your body works, this is how to be how healthy?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: This is how to not be healthy? Please avoid not
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: being healthy. They started teaching them stuff like you might
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: be a girl trapped in a boy's body and just
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: not realize it. Do you like pink things? You know?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Like it was completely fucked up, and it took them
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: about thirty years to get from it's unhealthy to sleep
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: with everything that moves without using any kind of protection
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: to keep yourself from picking up any sexually transmitted diseases.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: And by the way, here's what happens during gestation and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: childbirth to you might just be trapped in the wrong body.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: You might not even have a gender at all. There
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: are seventy two different classifications you can choose from if
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: you choose one, just kind of. I hope that that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen with feminist attack on in cell culture, but
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you know, it is.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It's always a goal of theirs when they see something
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Oh and I also thought my psychologist about then for
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: you today. Okay, he seemed kind of worried. I told him,
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: ethink's okay, but he's a feminist as well, So I said,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: ethy's okay, but he's got and get back to me.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: A psychologist that is a feminist. Surprise, surprise, surprise. That's
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: one of the first areas that intersectionality feminism invaded because.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I got I've got in trouble last year when they
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: talked about adolescents and I said about simple mothers, I'll
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: go in trouble pockets of that.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I could see that. How I get in
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: trouble for for just pointing out the difference between accountability
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and failure to be accountable in issues like prevention of
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: conception versus abortion. So when so Costello said, let's see
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: besides in cell exit, which I now have to figure out,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to find that website or whatever and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: see what it is.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And can we talk about when you get back.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, I will have to. I'll find it
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and we can look at it. Giving men positive role
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: models and sympathetic dating coaches is a good thing. But
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: who gets to decide what? Well, I don't know about
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: dating coaches. Sometimes dating coaches are just dipshits that want
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to make money without actually helping you.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: That would be cab out me about making money.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Right, But positive role models, like every time men get
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a positive role model, you know, what happens feminists try
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: to tank that role.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Model they get el Selfhoman h m hm.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: But he says, it's very easy for me to diagnose
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the problem, but it's a lot harder to shift the needle.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: There's been very little academic research on how to eradicate
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: in cell culture. We must eradicate the insuls. It's good,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: good luck, good luck feminists. It's been around for as
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: long as there have been humans. There are many people
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: who occupy the same men's rights spaces as in cells
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: who aren't obsessed with hating women. I love that with
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: hating women, the guys that want relationships with women getting
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to hating women.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Most don't hate women. They just take the situation that
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: they're in.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Yep, and a lot.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Of them just see the women around them, and they
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: honestly do hate women. And I don't blame them. I
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: don't blame them.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: So they call the women around me, where like the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: women I talk to on Twitter that that get mad
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: at me, I would hate women.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: So the slang for women and so forms they cool
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: women toilets? Now?
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Is that is that a void?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Oh goodness?
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Because normal it's using the word void now and they're
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: using all of our slang, so you're gonna have to
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: come up.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: They come out with the slang.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Because my because my cousin used to avoids last week.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And are they associating it with skibbety toilet.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: No, they're using it as a slang work because they
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: watched videos, not insulted insult type videos, but like they
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: in videos and the men in those videos to use
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: the word void And I said, you know who created
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: that word, don't you?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: And the guest shock. Look at the guest shock, look
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: at their face.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: People, people will use language like that without realizing where
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: it originated or what it means.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: But can anyone tell me what's what the skip of
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the toilet thing means or originated?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Mike, don't because oh don't, don't get started, because that's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of time. Yeah, if you if the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: best way to understand it is to look it up,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: find the channel, go all the way back to the beginning,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the early videos, which that's that's a long ways. Now
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: start watching it.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Sounds like me trying to explain purple and green to
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: someone because I I know that origin story a lot
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: of you do, but to try and explain it to
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: someone else's like, no, no, no, I can't do it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I can't do it. I'm not gonna do it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Let me put it this way. As an animator, you'll
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: either love it or hate it. But but as a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: story watcher, I love it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I will choose to put it out of my mind.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry for interrupting the.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Flow of the show.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: You're like, do you like do you like?
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Do you like poop jokes?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Pimp jokes?
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Like like like poop jokes? That's that's that's can be.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: It's long, very long clip, nothing up, and I'm again
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: sorry to have brought it up. I'll send you to
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: send me any links. I will forget this entire conversation.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I guarantee it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, might just opened up a long toilet yeah mio Forcina.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I have two of them, two but just too just
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: just the TV heads. But in any case, and there's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a reason for that, besides liking skivity. Toilet A long
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: story that I'm not even going to get into HBr
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Talk four oh four topic already say, HBr Talk four
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  Speaker 1: oh four show not found. Uh, that's that's going to
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  Speaker 1: have to be a topic not found. Yeah, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: have broken meo Forcina. They're plastic. They're they're like they're
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: not they're kind of like they're not action figures. You
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: can't like you can move their arms and turn the heads,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: position them a little bit, but their legs don't move.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: But anyway, that's that's way off topic. But yeah, so
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: she says this thing about obsessed with hating women. I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: notice another I think she's projecting there. She's obsessed with
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: hating men, So she assumes that they're obsessed with hating women.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: They always project Yep.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I noticed another Reddit user, Harry on various subreddits arguing
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: with some of the hard liners. Hard liners he enjoys
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: navigating the treacherous waters of the Minisphere as a dissident,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: he says, so, in other words, he goes in there
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: to stor shit. He cares about men's rights, and it's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: frustrating when they get it wrong. I have run into
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: those people. Uh yeah, there's there's well not there are
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: there are people that show up in the men's rights subreddit.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: There are concern trolls that show up with in the
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: men's rights subreddit that their whole thing is, uh, you know,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: trying to pretend to care about men and men's rights.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: They don't. It's it's like tin man has different ideas
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: than some people, so he's he still cares about men's rights,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: but he butts head with heads with people who have
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: a different perspective. But he's not feminists. But we we
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: get feminists that come in and they'll they'll concern troll.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know a better way to put it. I
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: used to keep track of it for a while. I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: kept track of it for a couple of years, UH,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: and I had a whole several page blog posts titled
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: for the record, it's probably still up on on UH,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the breaking the glasses blog of these people that would
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: come in. One of them was hilarious, what would your
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: mother think of the things that you talk about? And
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: one guy was like, my mom's here. Her name is
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: at and you know another user name, and the the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: other user was like, yeah, I'm the one that got
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: my son started coming to this. But we had like
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: we have that, we have people that that somebody introduced.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: There was a I hope I don't get another long
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: discussion about this going. But there was a horrible news story.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: There were two horrible news stories actually of situations where
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: somebody snapped and killed another person. And in one of those,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: a father at his at some kind of party that
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: was happening at his house, at his own home, his
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: five year old he couldn't find her, and he started
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: looking around, and he went out behind some outbuilding and
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: one of the guys on his crew, in his employee,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: basically was raping her, and he snapped in the moment
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and killed that guy. Which in the moment like that,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: it is possible for someone to completely break from reality.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: It's called a psychotic break when it happens, and you
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily know why, but under that circumstance, it's from
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: trump and you don't always have control over what you're
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: doing in a moment of trauma where you don't have
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: time to think in between your witnessing or experience of
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: the trauma and the moment that you come into contact
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: with its cause. And so that guy was basically the
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: court determined that he had not committed homicide, like he
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't guilty of a crime. And then there was an
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: example of a woman and this case is now like
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: it was it was old in twenty thirteen, when we
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: ended up talking about it in the men's right subreddit.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: So it's super old now, but it was. I think
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: in Brazil, this woman her her daughter had been raped
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: by an adult, an adult man, and their prison system
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: has some weird thing where he got to go home
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: on some sort of weekend furlough, which to an American
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I will tell you right now, for anybody listening from
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: a foreign country, that is one of the most bizarre
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: things I have ever learned about a foreign country. That
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: they would let a child molester out on furlough to
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: go home to the community where the child he perpetrated
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: against was and then he has to report back to
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: jail after that voluntarily. That just is really strange. But
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: in any case, they let him out, and this woman
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: ran into him downtown and he asked her, how is
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: your daughter doing? And she went home, got a gas can,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: went to a gas station, filled it, went from the
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: gas station to find him at a bar that he
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: frequented and went in there and poured it over him,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: lit a match, set him on fire. It took him
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: eleven days to die. And the two cases were presented
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: as if they were the same, because the outrage was
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: the same over the criminal's perpetration. Both were child molesters,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and in both cases they molested little girls. In one case,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: the parent who killed the perpetrator was a father. In
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the other case, the parent who killed the perpetrator was
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: a mother. And so they ignored the detail of in
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the moment versus time to think and immediate killing versus
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: torture to death over the course of eleven days. And
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: that was a ceratrolling that created that one actually created
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of conversation at least, but it was it
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: was done with intent to It wasn't done with intent
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: to hash out morals and ethics and stuff like that.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: It was done with intent to try to portray the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: men's rights movement as accepting when a man commits a murder,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: but not accepting when a woman does it, right, that
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: it's bad when a woman does it, but it's not
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: bad when a man does it, when in reality, you know,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: if they had both done exactly the same thing, walked
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: in on the incident and immediately snapped and afterward regretted
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: their actions, that would be a different story. But the
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: two stories were not the same. But in any case,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: we get trolls like that all the time. So this guy,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's like that, but it sort
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: of sounds like it, so apparently she's going to describe him.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Here we go. I met Harry on a sunny day
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: in Huntington, hunting down at the local weatherspoon. He's in
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: his mid forties, bald and with a large black study earring.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: He studied philosophy at university, where he read gender theorist
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Judith Butler, and now works in education, teaching social sciences.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: It's an area dominated by women, he says, who were
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: great at talking about women's rights, and that made him
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: think about the rights of men. So essentially, this guy's
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: a male feminist. It's lonely being a men's rights activist.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Harry says. If you go to a cocktail party and
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you say to somebody, I'm a feminist, most people won't
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: raise an eye. If you say I'm a men's rights activist,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: people go, oh, right, you're one of them. You know. Honestly,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I don't have that experience, Like, well, I don't go
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: to cocktail parties, but I mean I've had people who
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: aren't part of the movement and don't have like they're
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: not talking politics all the time, learn that I'm a
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: men's rights activist, and they don't start out, oh, you're
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: one of them. They ask me questions about it. What
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: do you do? What is that? What rights do you
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: fight for? You know, what are you? What is your
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: what kind of methods do you use? If they find
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: out I'm a live streamer, it's what do you talk
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: about on your live streams? Most people aren't that polarized.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: They're not as polarized as you see people being on
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the internet. The general public act ACUY is more interested
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: in knowing what's what than dictating what people are doing.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: The only time that hasn't been true is during this
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: stupid mask debate when I had some dipshit lady accuse
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: me of breathing her air from ten feet away. But yeah,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: one of them. Feminism, Harry says, solemnly has the social
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: lubrication that male advocacy lacks. I'm going to read a
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: couple of superchows because I just saw them. Official Reverse
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Traditionalism channel on YouTube says ten dollars. Gave us ten
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: dollars and said, Doc, when you said last week that
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: you believe that there is a presence to fathers that
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: is threatening, do you think you could fan that out
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: into an argument that children paradoxically find father's comforting because
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: it means they could protect them better. That is a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: good question. Mike, are you there?
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Hello?
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Hello? Have I lost Mike and Lauren?
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, cred It's just I think that in the net
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: connection gets dropping.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a distinct possibility.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, Mike's good for smoke or something.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh but uh, well Mike can't, I can.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: It's the if the feminist Robin Whiting about all of this,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: I think she doesn't want to help instills. I think
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: she's trying to shame them.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she too. In fact, I think she's trying to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: shame men for caring about men's issues in a way
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: that doesn't put women first.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't put women in a bad light as well.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One way that I could, I could do what
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: official Reverse Traditionalism channel does said. You know how when
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: you're a kid and you always think there's like a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: monster in your closet or under your bed, or you know,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: the shadows in your rooms are scary, you get you're
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: not afraid of the dark so much is afraid of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: the things in it that might be in it that you.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: Can't Hello, Hello, gosh, starn it Hello, it's my computer.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: It's it's stops recognizing my microphone for a second, and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: it's because I have a loose connection. I might have
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: to I'll have to fix that. But if I fix
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: it tonight, it's going to take time. But in any case,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: you know when you're a little kid, and and you
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: know how in movies and stuff, they always have a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: parent come in and scare all the bad scary monsters away.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I never had to have that. My dad used logic,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: He said, is there really anything that could possibly fit
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: into your room that you wouldn't be able to see?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: That that's gonna be scarier than I am. And I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: was never scared of the dark. Again.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: My grandma Fa used to do that as well, because
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: it was just it was just a jump on the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: nap of.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: An adult with authority can can calm those fears just
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: by presenting themselves as a barrier to any scary thing
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: getting to you. And mostly that's father's, but sometimes it's grandma's.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: My grandma could have done that. My grandma was like Gandolf.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: She's like a female Gandolf. Not with magic, but personality wise.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: Don't give up any ideas they might change band off
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: into a female.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it would work as well, but
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: but you'd have to have met my grandma. She was
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: very soft spoken. She didn't yell, oh you.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Got you got the nice version. I got the nice
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: version of my grandmother because she was mean to my
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: She was mean to my mom and her sister and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: her brothers. But I got the nice version of my grandmother.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: See, my grandma didn't really. She carried herself in such
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: a way that one time when she was carjacked, she
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: rode down the block with the guy that she hadn't
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: gotten out of the car. The guy got in and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: told her to drive, and they got about a block.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: She turned to him. She stopped the car. She turned
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: to him and she said, you get out of here
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: right now, which normally would get you killed. But he did.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: He got out, he left.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: So she had to like a stern of forty yep.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: That was my grandma. She did not have to yell.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: She didn't yell because she did not have to yell,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: and she didn't have to tell you to do something twice.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: But you know, she was kind and she was loving.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: She wasn't a meani or anything like that. It's just
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: You didn't have to have any evidence presented to you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: to know that you didn't disobey grandma like that was
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: just the way it was. And most of the people
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: that I've met in my life that have been like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: that are men, But my grandma was the exception. Meredith
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: g gave us ten dollars and said, HBr talked four
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: three honey for the Badgers. Sorry to miss out last week.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the thought provoking discussion, Man Goda ninety two. Dad,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I was scared of the dark. What are you stupid?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: No, that my dad just made made the point. You
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: know that nothing else, nothing else, was going to be
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: as scary as he was, and anything that was going
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: to try to be scary, he would just kick its ass.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: I can remember when I was a kid, my stepdad
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: used to put hot soulce on my FuMB because I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: used to suck my FuMB all up.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Uh put him. He put hot souls on my thumb.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: H Did it work? Nuh uh? What? What help was?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: He also put like one of those plastic bandages on
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: my thumb that stopped to me sucking my thumb.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thats don't tasted that.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: But the hot sles thing it put me off hot
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: sALS for life.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh, I never sucked on my thumb. I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: always had these two fingers, my first and second finger,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: and the problem with those is that they're longer than
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: your your thumb. So I found my gag reflects in
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: the middle of the grocery store. That was the end
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of that. But and I actually remember the experience. So
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Harry Harry says that he goes to cocktail parties and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: tells people who's a men's rights activist. I don't go
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: places and tell people I'm a men's rights activist. It
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: comes up occasionally in conversation because of other things, but
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: most of the time, unless a gender issue is under discussion,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: that's not really in the forefront of you know, like me,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about with people every day in my
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: everyday life. Harry thinks it's important to talk about men's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: issues and it is any appropriate time and place, just
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: like I wouldn't talk about feminism or any other politics
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Republicans versus Democrats, uh, gun control or any of that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: unless the discussion was a political discussion.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: I thought you guys that would talk about gun control
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: no more or is still topic.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: In the United States are in the men's rights movement
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: in the United States, Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's still
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: a topic. There are still people that think, uh, that
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: think gun control is something besides you know, trigger finger discipline.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: But I'd say, I think I say keep your guns
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: at the Amendment.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely do need to keep our guns. And
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: we've seen what happened in the UK. We need to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: keep our guns.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: And Australia.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in Australia, there's a lot of commentary around men,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of participation from men. He says,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: does he realize that there's more than a quarter of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: a million people in the men's rights subreddit and almost
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: all of them are men, only a fewer women. In
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: men's rights forums, he talks about men's issues, healthcare outcomes,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: mental health crime. He was interested in what kind of
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: role men have in relationships, the distribution of domestic responsibilities,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: and pressures on men to be the breadwinner. He felt
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: that societal expectations discouraged men from working in certain fields,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: such as teaching in psychology and taking from taking on
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: domestic workloads. He still sounds like a feminist to me,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: and he minded that men rarely get more than two
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: weeks of paternity leave, and if they do, it's unpaid
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: or taken from the mother's time off. It creates this
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: adversarial tone of my rights are opposed to your rights.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: How can men's paternity leave be taken from the mother's
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: time off? Did they like? Is it? My husband and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I don't even work for the same company. I don't
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: know how that would work.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: I guess them if I would have to sacrifice their
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: six months to a year and give it a gift
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: two weeks to a husband.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: That doesn't even make any sense because it isn't if
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: it isn't the same company, unless there's there He lives
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: in a country where the government pays it basically after people.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: I think that's how they do it.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. He is frustrated by the Manispher's focus focus
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: on women who want to go on women on who
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: women want to go out with. That's fake. She made
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: this person up. There's now.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: They always what they always make stuff up.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you go into a men's rights forum,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: that might get discussed briefly, but the overwhelming majority of posts,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: the most of the discussion is going to be about
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: custody rights in divorce cases, custody rights in uh outside
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: of wedlock, childbirth cases, almy and child spool YEP alimony
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: and child support, and do process rights in cases of
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: accusations of invent partner or sexual violence. Right. That's those
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: are like the hot topics. You get a lot of
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: discussion about suicide. You get a lot of discussion about
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: because that's a huge issue as well, And you get
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about the inability of men to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: find good therapists that will talk to them about their
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: problems instead of accusing them of having toxic masculinity. It's
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: for having feelings.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: It's very difficult to get a good purposed if you
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: have if you have suicidal ideation, it's very difficult to
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: talk about anyway.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: So it is, and there's one of the difficult things
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: talking about suicidal ideation is you have this really thin
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: line you have to walk. You can't make your shrink
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: think that you're actually at risk in the near future
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, because then they'll they'll institutionalize you.
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  Speaker 3: Because I have to I have to walk.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: I have to walk that final line as well, because
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: I can't joke about I can't joke about suicide because
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: people think I'm being serious.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially not in front of me, because I'm a
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: worry word. Like every time my husband is five minutes late,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: well back when he was driving to and from work,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: every time he was five minutes late getting home, I
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: had visions of car accidents and like would just be
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: really glad when he when he walked in the door,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's me. I'm the only thing I'm neurotic
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: about is that something bad is going to happen to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: somebody I care about.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: So I know, I can't joke about suicide on here,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: but I just joke. I can joke about on Twitter,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: but that's that's the only place I can joke about it.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to be careful doing that too, because
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: if you ever have had to report an account, that's
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: unless it's changed in the last couple of years. There's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: that's one of the things that you can report people
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: for is suicidal ideation. But so this made up person.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Says he gets frustrated by men's rights influenced Yet.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: He says, I don't think dating is a men's rights
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: issue because it's not a right. Oh my god, that
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: stupid feminists think dating is a feminist issue, because having
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: your consent requested before you are in any way is
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: the right according to them, right they they considered it right.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: To h.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: They considered it a right to be treated a certain way,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: to be treated like a lady, even if they're not
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a lady like, even if they're some sort of gut
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: or snipe, or if they act like me. I do
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: not expect to be treated like a lady. I belch
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: and fart and pick my nose and everything, so that's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: not very lady like. Guys, so you could tell dirty
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: jokes in front of me. I even have been busted
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: in court for telling rape jokes. So there you go.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: But in any case, feminists think that there are all
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: kinds of rights issues around dating, and they have had
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: laws passed and policy made in universities and workplaces and
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: other organizational institutions that affect men's lives. Therefore, dating is
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: a men's rights issue. But Harry says it's a choice.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: So if something is a choice, it cannot also be
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: a rights issue. I can think of something that that
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: would apply to I'm just this is nobody would say
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: that in real life. I don't think anybody that had
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: the wherewithal to make contact with a journalist and journalist
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: and have a discussion with her would be dumb enough
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: to say that if something is a choice, there are
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: no rights issues related to.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: It, because feminists don't believe men half.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Anyways, I guess I feel dumber for having read that.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I think brain cells died drinking. Is that it's okay,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: it's not your fault. Well you did, you didn't send
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: me the article, But I just do they think that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: there's not a right to do what you want with
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: your own body, not in your garden, what you eat
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: and drink, not if you're mad.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, here goes on. There's that's not really
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: something where you can appeal to, like the government. So
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: rights come from the government, okay, yeah, uh so this, yeah, this, this, this,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: this is a made up guy, because if somebody was
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: actually going to men's rights forums, they would be aware
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: the men's rights issues are not all government issues. We
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: talk about law and policy issues, but we also talk
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: about social issues and social behavior and how to handle
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: various types of social behavior and what we think of
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: various types of social behavior, like women deciding to date
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Jeff the Killer instead of Joe the Boy next door
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: and then complaining that Joe the Boy next Door didn't
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: protect them when Jeff the Killer turned out to be
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Jeff the Killer. Probably nobody remembers, but uh yeah, I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I really do. I feel dumber for having read that.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: It's bad enough that he made up a guy, but
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: she made him up. He made him so stupid.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: I remember Jeff the Killer for what it's worth.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: He was a piece of shit, that Jeff the Killer,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: the total jerk.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: What's your reception, skivty toilet mike.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Dude, why why why would you do this to us?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Sorry, So our made up guy goes on here and
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: he wants to move away from obsessing over women. In
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: a group that's supposed to be for discussion of the
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: rights of men, they spend ninety percent of the time
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: talking about what women are doing. See this is why
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: nobody believes feminist journalists like they. There isn't a dude
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: in the men's rights movement that talks like this. There
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: just isn't, not.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Even in the extended manisphere. It annoys me these days,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: but manisphere refers to these kinds of people. Louis throu
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: talked to I don't want to name any of their names,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: because you know, the names have all been thrust into
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: the into the limelight precisely for the sake of painting
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: the manisphere as just these filthy, rich online influences, as
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: though there hasn't been this ship going on for like
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: a dozen years or more, fucking a century or more. Yeah,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: you know, normal people just saying normal things, and yeah,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: once it's forever buried under this avalanche of cartoonish villains.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: And I'm selling it, and I don't know what my
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: original point was, but you sound like you have one
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: to go on top of it, and so go ahead.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: There you go when there is common sense to be had,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: but it would cost your movement a shit ton of money.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: And there's a convenient dipshit epidemic to point to and say,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: that's the people that are telling you that they have
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: common sense, so that you can shut people up about
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: common sense. That's what you do, and so that's what
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: they're doing. Harry sees these videos on social media all
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: the time where women are exposed for being shallow, gold
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: digging cruel. He describes a typical plot. A guy looks
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: down and out incomes a woman. She looks disapproving. Then
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: he walks to a really expensive car. Now she comes
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: back and is all over him. It's so obviously fake.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: That guy was probably in another clip with it like
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: this with another woman two days ago. But in the comments,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: men lap it up. Oh yeah, it's typical woman. I've
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: seen those videos and it doesn't really matter. They could
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: be one solid gold, genuine like they could be captures
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: of the security video from a nearby store, and these
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: women would say it's fake. But the truth is that
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: women do that. I've seen women do that. I've literally
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: seen women do that exact thing in conjunction with the
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: guys that I've been hanging out with that had it
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: dressed down but had expensive cars, and and it's it's
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: hilarious when they do it. It's even funnier when they
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: do it and there's another woman there and they don't
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: know what her role is, right. But I mean, like, honestly,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: if I was in that situation, you know, back when
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, back when I was dating, I wouldn't
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: have noticed one way or another, Like it wouldn't have
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: made a difference to me. I'd have been more interested
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: if he started working on the car then I would
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: if it was a nice car. But in any case,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: and actually I married the guy that works on cars,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: So there you go. I don't it. This isn't unusual
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: at all. It is typical, and there isn't anything. And
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: there's like dozens of videos like that online. But there's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: also dozens of videos online of you know, some guy,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: some guy finding out the police knows where the bodies are.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: I know this because since I listened to creepypastas, Creepypasta
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: readers and uh like weird Events readers and and Reddit
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: aliens and all that trying to go to sleep, YouTube
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: thinks that I want true crime and promotes that shit
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: to me all the time. There's videos of Karen's getting
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: their come up, and there's videos of you guys trying
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: to embarrass women and then the woman turns it around
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: on him. They might all be fake. Of what's on
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: YouTube might be fake. I might not even be a
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: real person. I'm actually actually i'm I'm I'm Lauren's sockpuppet.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: But in any case.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: I can confirm I am not real. I am not
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: even anyone's sock puppet. I am Satan's sock puppet. And
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: so are you, ladies and gentlemen deal with it?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. If you stop thinking about us, though, the
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: entire matrix will go down and you'll all disappear. This
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: thing of getting upset that guys get some sort of
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: catharsist from watching that stuff. Have they ever heard of
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: soap operas, because there's like usually six or seven of
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: them running at any given time on the network television
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: channels during the day, And women used to just eat
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: that shit up. I don't know if they do now
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: or not, but there's a lot of cereals now, a
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: lot of shows that are cereals that run like soap
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: operas and play like soap operas. They got a little
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: more complicated in the in the nineties. Women soap operas
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: started getting into ideas like magic and angels and demons
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: and shit like that, vampires and stuff. And then you
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: have law based like and police based shows that are
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: more soap opera than anything. Now it's all of that drama.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Women lap that shit up like it is Champagne and caviat.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: They get upset that some guys watch a video showing
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: a woman getting her come up and when a guy
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: has a nice car and they don't know it until
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: after they turn him down, Like I don't know. I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: would tell that guy to always dress like that help
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: him sort out the shallow bitches. He mentions male body
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: image an absolute wreck of an area. A twenty nineteen
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: study by the Mental Health Foundation found that nearly a
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: third of adult men in the UK have felt anxious
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: because of body image issues. Not surprising, male fitness influencers
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: tell men they're failing if they aren't in the gym
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: every day. Andy Elliott, a ripped sales trainer, tells his
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: eight thousand or eight hundred thousand YouTube subscribers they'll only
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: hire men with six packs. How about you guys quit
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: getting civilized and quit selling settling heroes. For men, not
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: having a perfect body is portrayed as a failure of
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: character and inability to work hard enough. But you know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: it's not these guys that are causing that, right, These
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: guys are a symptom of it. They're selling that because
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: women treat guys who are are chubby or bald, or short,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: or you know, too asymmetrical in their face, or their
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: facial hair doesn't grow in perfectly, or they have too
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: much or they have not enough. You know, anything like that.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're the wrong skin color, right, Maybe maybe they're
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: just a little bit different from from themselves, you know,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: from the woman, you know, anything like that. They treat
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: them as if they're beneath them.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, this guy's a fat slob. He's ten pounds overweight,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: says the woman who takes up three seats on an airplane.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Quit your hands. Spreading the reality is I do see
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of health information being discussed in men's rights subreddit,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: in other men's rights forums, among men's rights activists on
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: social media, but it doesn't all revolve around muscles. In fact,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: quite a bit of it has to do with things
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: like prostate cancer and funding four different types of cancer research,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: and mental health issues and being able to get you
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: some something decent in terms of a doctor and a therapist.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Difficulty going to the doctor, and in particular difficulty with
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: you know, your wife going to the doctor, because the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: doctor is now going to grill your wife to find
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: out if she sounds like she's being abused, and it's
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: really uncomfortable when they do that. By the way, like
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: last time I went to the doctor, she had asked
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: me those questions and she asked me two days after
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I found out that we had an MS thirteen gang
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: member for a neighbor, if I felt safe in my home,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: and if I had not known what she was doing,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: I would have said no. But I did know what
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: she was doing, and so I told her, I know
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. I know what you're asking me about.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: My husband is the sweetest, kindest, gentlest person I know,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: and not do anything mean or bad to me. But
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I don't feel safe because there's a gang member living
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: in our neighborhood now from a cartel in Mexico, and
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: that information was very disturbing. She didn't really know how
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: to take that, Like they don't really know how to
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: handle Even a doctor who has been relegated to an
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: arm of the bureaucracy doesn't know what hold to put
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: the wrong shaped peg into. That answer doesn't fit any
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: of the criteria that she's supposed to be looking for,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: so she decided to ignore it and we went on
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: to something else. Harry puts a lot of men's mental
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: health issues down to a sense of failing at practical endeavors.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I have too much debt. I don't feel i'm good
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: enough provider. I don't feel like I'm a good enough husband.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like my job is good enough. I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: feel like that's bullshit. There's probably some, but there's a
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: significant portion of the issues being talked about men's rights
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: movement that a lot of men's mental health issues come
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: down to the way they are treated. They're not talking
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: about themselves as failures. They're talking about themselves as rejects.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: They're talking about themselves as losers. Not losers in terms
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: of somebody that is uncool, but losers in terms of
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: somebody who played and lost. This guy got married, had kids,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: spent seven or eight years in the marriage with his wife,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: raising the kids together, and then she cheated on him,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: divorced him, moved out, took the kids, and went to
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: live with the other guy. And he's left trying to
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: fight for custody rights and fair treatment by the child
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: support enforcement agency on a budget of fifteen percent of
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: his gross income, because that's what's left after the state
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: takes out everything that it's allowed to take out between
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: taxes and the child support that he's paying. And he's
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: depressed because he's broke, and he's depressed because he feels
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: abused by the situation because he is and he feels rejected,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't. He's not viewing himself as a failure.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: He's a vict him and he's recognizing it. And it's
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: it's depressing to be a victim. That's a mental health
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: issue too.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: But if you walk in hm, hm, why do women
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: love being a victim so much?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: It's I don't know that what I don't know, Like,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: I guess it's not so much you like I think
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: it's a welling systems.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not that difficult to explain when you consider
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: what babies do. I mean, it's they naturally play the victim,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: don't they in all kinds of ways. They scream when
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: they need to scream, even if they don't need to scream,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: and they lie like children, And I mean babies learn
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: to lie with their screaming as before they can even talk.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: One of the first things a baby learns to do
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: is is lie, and it's by screaming when it doesn't
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: need to scream, just to get attention. Like there's only
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: got exacerbated once they learn how to articulate reality with
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: their lorngel apparatus. You know, this should be all you
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: need to do to to explain to people, well, why
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: would they lie? Like, why would that many women lie
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: about being raped? It just doesn't make sense. Well, no,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: it does. It makes perfect sense because human beings learned
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: to lie as soon as they possibly can, and if
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: they continue to get away with it, they will continue
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: to lie. It's really easy to lie. It It involves
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: almost no calories whatsoever. You just flip a switch in
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: your brain, like a not gate in your brain, and
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: and and just like that you have you have improved
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: your situation with regard to other people's situation because you know,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: he got one over them, He got one over on them,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: and that's you know. And this is why it's very
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: important that it is instilled into people from an early
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: age that you must not lie. But I guess this
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: is generally done to males, not so much with females,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: because it's been a thousand years of romantic chivalry. It's
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: been drilled into us. When a woman says something, or
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: when a girl says something, When a fucking three year
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: old girl says something, we're like, well that must be true. Women, U.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: Girls are made of fluffy things. I don't remember what
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: they even are now. Boys are made of snips and
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: snails and puppy dogs tails and.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Oh that right, sugar and spice and everything nice.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Sugar and spice and everything nice, that sort of thing.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: I should look into how old that cliche is, because
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: I suspect it's as old as romantic chivalry itself. It's
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: it's it sounds sounds like it. You know, we're talking
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: grade eight stuff now, ladies and gentlemen. This ship isn't
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: as old as feminism. It's as old. It's approximately medieval,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it goes back to King art King.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, king out think it wasn't real, but yeah, it
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: goes back to the legends of of that sort of
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: historical period. Yeah.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gotta be old old that old.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: Before almost finished the article, Yeah, I think.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: I think so. The Internet, by the way, says the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: nursery rhyme is from eighteen forty six. The earliest specific
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: record of the full verse is from eighteen forty six.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: The earliest documented print is attributed to Gammer Gurton's Garland
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: in eighteen eighteen, so that could be accurate. But anyway,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: so let's see when women are unlucky and love, they
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: have sympathetic support networks Harry ads So, Yeah, I think
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: both genders get lonely, but I think just one form
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: of loneliness is pathologized as an individual defect, while the
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: other one is viewed as a victim of circumstance. That's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: probably the only intelligent he said. Jay Watt's, a psychologist
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: who specializes in men's mental health, agrees with this sentiment.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Men have always struggled with having those kind of relationships
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: that ward off things like loneliness. She tells me, that's
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: always been seen as women's work. Uh do do these
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: people realize that men used to have whole organizations where
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: they just hung out with other men and uh did
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: did stuff together as a group.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: But then but then the women in faded.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably don't even realize that. How many organizations
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: used to just be men's organizations.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: You mean governments, you mean royalty, you mean the people
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: who led the world. Know we're talking about like cricket clubs.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well clubs and social clubs and D and D groups.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Yep, there used to be there, used to be for
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: for every woman who or girl who played dungeons and dragons,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: Like I probably met one hundred different guys that played
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: before I met the first other female player, and uh,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: and then she would play she would play like the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: fantasy RPGs, and she would play we played Teenage Mutant
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: Ninja Turtles, and and she would play the comedy stuff.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: But she had no interest in like battle tech or
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: any any other kind of more uh, machine oriented or
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: technical oriented, none of that.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: So phats it? What's like? What's not the video game
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: equivalent of Bobby because you'd think there would be, But
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: that was it was. It was the SIMS. To remember,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: it was the biggest, biggest selling video game two. I
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: tried playing it for a few hours. It was kind
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: of kind of addictive for a few hours, and then
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta be bothered with this anymore.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: But women went crazy for the SIMS in the year
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: two thousand.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: I remember there were settings I could change that would
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: cause things to glitch, and then you would get a
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: baby with like a neck that was longer than the
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: adults were tall. That was fun, but the game itself,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: like just playing it for its own sake, was not
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: really that cool.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: I used to play Civilization.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: I remember Civilization. Yeah, that that was a fun one.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: And then I played some some of the other different
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: PC games. There's one that for years and years and
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: years ago. One of the early like amateur, not amateur,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: but indie PC games that I used to love was
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: called Yipe exclamation Point, and you you had a sprite
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: that was like the icon you would have for your
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: folder or whatever. That that was the size of the image.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: All the images were like that, and you just ran
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: around a map killing things. That's funny.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: It looks, it looks, it looks good. The Yipe.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's if you can find it. I don't even
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: know if it's out there anymore, but if you can
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: find it, it is a fun game and it's addictive.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: I found all kinds of little indie games like that.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: There were a lot of them were made to run
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: on Macintosh computers, and I had a mac se I'm
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: dating myself. That was it was in nineteen ninety two.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: And yeah, that was when not everybody had a Mac
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: back in the nineties.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Yep, that was in the nineties. I had I got
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: enough money together. I probably could have bought a really
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: good used card with the amount of money I had,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: but instead I bought a Macintosh computer and a laser printer.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Was really snazzy. It printed a whole four pages per minute.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I used to print a page that was.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Like the top notch openness back in the data mh.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that was it was. It was nice to
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: have when I went to Universe and I actually had
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I had some good use out of it for all
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: kinds of different things. I mean, it was. It was
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: a good purchase. And I even made back some of
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: that money doing layout and design and uh femi professional
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: printing for some of the other students. And they didn't
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: go to Kinko's because they would have had to drive
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: to another community.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: Charge for printing just.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: For if they designed it, and and I was just
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: printing out what they brought me. Gosh, I don't remember
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: that one. But if I was doing the work, if
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: I was doing layout and design, if I was doing
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: type setting, and then I had other services, Like if
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: you had written something and it was five hundred words,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: but your minimum for you know, what your professor wanted
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: was a thousand, I could find ways to make that work,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: make that happen. And mostly it was things like I
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: would prompt I would start asking questions and then they
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: would start answering my questions, and I would be like, well,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: if you write that in the paper, that adds this
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: many words. But so I did stuff like that, and
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: then I could also use You can't do this anymore
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: because professors will give you specifications for things like how
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: your papers justified, what your point size, what your text
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: size is, how many points, what your that'll even go
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: so far as to get out a little printer's ruler
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: and measure how far apart your letters are, how big
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: your margins are, and everything. But I used to be
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: able to use tricks like that to increase the pages
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that and any other way around. If
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: you wrote something to verbose, I could help pare it
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: down so you could say everything you wanted to say
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: and a lot like words or a lot fewer pages.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I used to charge it depending on how
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: many of those things. It was between one and two
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: dollars a page. But a minimum wage back then was
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: like for we're twenty five an hour, if it.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Was for twenty.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: No minimum wage was never for twenty it should have been.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: That would have been funny. But anyway, so he says,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: when we did read that, yeah, there is a one
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: is an individual defect. The other is a victim of circumstance.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: So we read Jay Watt's, a psychologist who specialized in
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: men's mental health, agrees with the sentiment. Men in a
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: voice struggle with those kind of relationships that ward off
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: things like loneliness, she tells me. But that's always been
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: seen as women's work. Men's mental health organizations such as
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: the charity Man Up question Mark are working to find
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: ways for men to talk to one another without feeling
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: embarrassed about their feelings. I I. There's a movement, a
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: men's shed movement where men are working on this without
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: women having Yeah, feminists be in charge of it, and
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: women have started demanding entry. And this is why men
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: It's not that men don't talk about their feelings to
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: each other, it's not that men don't talk about their problems.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: It's that men don't want us around. They don't want
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: women around when they're doing that. They want women to
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: keep their noses out of it. Like that, that's all
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: that's really needed. Get men men an opportunity to work
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: together without women interfering, and and and you'll have participation
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: for men. But apparently women can't do that. Let's see,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: we have super chat from official rev trad gave us
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: ten dollars and said on father's rights, the best evidence
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: we have that the system is broken is the fact
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: that we are surrounded by people who want it to
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: be broken. Can you ask Doc my question now that
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: he's back? Oh that was our superchow. There's the first
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: one official reverse traditionalism channel on YouTube gave us ten
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: dollars mic and said, when you said last week that
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: you believe there is a presence to fathers that is threatening,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: do you think you could fan that out into an
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: argument that children are paradoxically Our children paradoxically find fathers
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: comforting because it means they could protect them better. We
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: knocked Lauren out. I hope we didn't knock Mike out.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Uh h, I can't tell who is voice that is.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: I think that was Florence.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Does that learned? We knock Lauren out a lot. Lauren
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: gets up early in the morning, though Mike's I'll ask
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: him when he comes back again. Whatever is going on
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: will interrupt it? Kayleahanna says mister three or three. Other
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: groups such as the barbershop movement, which encourages men to
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: speak about their feelings at the barbers and Men's Sheds
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Association or designed to help men who struggle to open up.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Charlie Bethel, chief executive officer at Men's shed says, giving
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: me practical projects such as woodworking or metalworking works as
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: a distraction that allows them to talk about their feelings.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: If you put twelve men in a room and say
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: talk about your feelings, six will leave and the other
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: six will try to find the corners, he tells me
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: over the phone. If you put a lawnmower in the room, though,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: they say and say could you repair it? After two hours,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: the men will all know each other intimately. They'll know
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: how they take their coffee, what ails them, what's their
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: grandchildren's name or their children's names, and are in their
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: grandchildren's names. I guess my brain just sort of turned
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: those words all around. Isn't it toxic? Elements of the
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: men's rights movement means some men are too worried about
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: being labeled and misogynists to talk about their issues. There's
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: no male body positivity movement. That's not quite right either,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: is it. There's a female body positivity movement that is
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: trying to normalize the unhealthiest female body types possible. There's
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: a male movement that isn't labeled a body positivity movement
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: that is trying to help motivate men to be healthy
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: and to feel good about their bodies because they are
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: making themselves healthy. I think that's better.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: By going to the gym, and buys him.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, by going to the gym. And she bitched about
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: that earlier in the article. Right, the women don't. Women
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: don't want men to solve their own problems. Women want
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: to tell men what to do and be obeyed. And
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: that's wrong. They're wrong for that. Women are wrong for
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: that for other things too, but that especially.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: I think Mike's asleep.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: I think so too. I think that is Mike.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, I am not Wait. I was outside having a
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: smoke at the time. I was listening to you, but
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: I couldn't respond.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: We have a thing? Did you hear me? Read it?
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: I did, but I've completely forgotten more of the questions.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read it again. I'm also going to
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: put it in the chat so that you can look
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: at it while you are if you can see the chat.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: So official Reverse Traditionalism channel on YouTube said, for ten
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: dollars dock, when you said last week that you believe
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: that there is a presence to fathers that is threatening.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Do you think you could fan that out into an
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: argument that children paradoxically find father's comforting because it means
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: that they could protect them better.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: I do not remember saying that fathers were a threatening force.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: I may have I say a lot of things while
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: I'm drunk.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: But it was probably in the course of discussing who's
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: a better disciplinarian mom or dad.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's that men have this deep voice. They
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: have the ability to make threats without having to perform violence.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: They I shouldn't need to explain this to most people.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: They you know, father, the father could just give the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: sink I and be like, show you the back of
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: his hand, but not actually show you the back of
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: his hand.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: And that's.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: This is what we talk about with a with a
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: high trust society. These things don't just spring out from nowhere.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: They you know, they happen when uh force is threatened,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: but preferably never enacted. You know you know what I mean?
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: When if if if if if you grow up with
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: with with the understanding that if you fuck around you'll
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: find out, then then you're going to create a high
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: trust society. This is it's difficult to get this across,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: but this is largely the difference between what we call
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: the first world and the and and the third world.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: In the third world, all you do is fuck around
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: as much as you can and hope that you never
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: have to find out. This is this is what people
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: will tell you when when they visit these these third
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: world countries, like you don't feel safe no matter where
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: you go in that country, you just don't feel safe
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: because you're surrounded by people who who's who's raised on
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: tetra is to fuck around and hope they never find out,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: like we in the West have for so long lived
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: in the world where people just don't fuck around lest
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: they find out. It's that's what a high trust society is.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: A society where people leave their doors open, like because
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: the one's gonna invade your house and try to kill you.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: It's we've tried to get this through to the boomers
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: of yesterday, who sensibly created this society where you can
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: just leave your doors open because you're not going to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: get invaded and raped and murdered.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: But h.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you might wonder how we got to that position
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: in the first place. And yeah, no, it wasn't from
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: women being liberal. It was from men being sheathed monsters.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: It was from men not being violent, but merely by
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: implying violence. It all does come down to violence in
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: the end, because what force is there other than force? Like,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: it does come down to force, and then you can
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: find other ways of like forcing people, like through training
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: or whatever. We talked about that this week. I think
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: when it comes to training dogs and like it's there
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: are many kinds of force, and one of them is
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: conditional sort of training, and some I don't want to
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: some peoples are take better to being trained than other people's.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Is that a have I got that across? Without sounding
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: sounding ray just I think.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: It's it's a lot harder to talk about this stuff
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: when when it gets your channel banned from just saying
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: one wrong word or somebody thinking you said something that
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: implies a wrong word.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: When I say people. When I say people's by the
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: way I am differentiating between men and women. I just
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: I just want to stick to the brief, right, because
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: all this stuff we've got going on between races is
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: also still going on between sexes. It's it's all happening
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: because of the stupid ship going on between sexes. None
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: of that ever needed to happen. It was Remember it
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: was the foothold that Marxism got into our civilization in
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: the first place.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: Angela Davis, the the the feminist student ofultural Marxist Frankfurt
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: School philosopher professor marcusa who you know, was a pretty
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: much a founding father of cultural Marxism, not thee but
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: a founding father. And she was a founding mother of
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: intersectional feminism and all of the victimhood that that it uses.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: So let's see it goes on. Yeah, we we have
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: just a couple of paragraphs here, all right, I should
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: not have moved that. Ah, there we go toxic. But
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: we read that no toxic elements of the men's rights
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: movement means some men are too worried about being labeled
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: a misogynist to talk about their issues. There is no
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: male boss body positivity movement. Many men can't find sexual partners.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: They are under pressure to earn more. Men and boys
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: make up around eighty percent of suicides in the UK.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: Two of the men I spoke to, Dan and Alex
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: are outsiders who talk openly about their loneliness. They have
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: an obvious shame over failing the things expected of them,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: get a job, get a girlfriend, get what they consider
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  Speaker 1: to be a good life, and a manisphere feeds their
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: anger and tells them it's women they should blame. See,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: this is what this woman is really doing. She made
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: up the other guy. Is that of all the concern
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: trolls we had, none of them were quite that well
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: rounded in their concern trolling. But then she comes back
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: to this idea. I don't think most men in the
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: men's rights movement are too worried about being labeled misogynists
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: to talk about their issues. They might be worried if
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: they were going to therapy, because you can be labeled
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: a misogynist for going to therapy and complaining to your
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: therapist that you miss your children because your wife, your
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: ex wife, hasn't let you see them for a year. Oh,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: you just hate your ex wife. You're being a misogynist,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: you know, like, as if it has nothing to do
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: with how you feel about your children and being worried
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: and wanting to see them and not wanting to miss
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: milestones and so on. Development, Then they might be, but
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: they're not. No one in the men's rights movement is
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: going you're a misogynist for talking about the custody issue
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: that you're facing. It's not happening, and it never has.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: It's never been a movement issue. Very few things can
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: be said in the men's rights movement within conversation forms
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: in the men's rights movement from one MRI to another
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: where the listener is going to say, oh, you're a
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: misogynist right off the bat and just not say anything else.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: It's bullshit. The bit about body positivity was bullshit. It
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: was a dishonest presentation of how men talk about physical
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: health issues. The sexual partners thing, that's also bullshit. She's
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: not even paying attention to what's actually going on with
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of men. It's not that they just can't
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: find sexual partners, has said. Many of them have stopped
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: looking because they can't. It's not that they can't just
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: find They just can't find women who are interested. They
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: can't find women who are interesting. They can't find women
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: who are trustworthy enough. They know that any woman, no
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: matter what the circumstances are, no matter what standard they
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: meet in the moment, might come back later and say
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: it was rape. They can't find circumstances where it's safe
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: for them to find a female sexual partner, but she's
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: not going to talk about that, And a lot of
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: this what she's saying here is basically just shaming men
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: for noticing that a large portion of the problem is
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: female behavior and women's attitudes. Does it mean men have
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: to be angry at women? No, And in fact, most
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: of the men that I talk to seem to be
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: sad about it more than they are angry. So she
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: goes on labor is trying to tackle misogyny. That's helpful,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: of course, when you know you're dealing with men's issues,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: and men's mental health, and men's physical health, and men's
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: custody issues and men's due process rights issues and things
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: like that, you should always just talk about misogyny. That's
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: always the best approach.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: Jeez, women affected worse.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: Meteor hits the earth. In August, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: said misogynistic hatred would be included in the government's extremism
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: review alongside Islamist and far right extremism. Oh good grief.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: By itself a left wing.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, but you know, I have not yet
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: heard of a single insel driving a truck of peace.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: When do you guys get get on.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: That in a lot of basements.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, m hm. The government also plans to help schools
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: promote young male mentors who can teach pupils how to
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: question influencers such as Andrew Tait. Don't dunt, dun. It's
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: hard to imagine pure mentoring and countering and in the
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: stream of online hate. Oh god, what is so stupid?
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: She's so stupid. Okay, So I don't know how old
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: most of my listeners are, but I'm a gen xer.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: Right from the time I was ten, I guess we
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: got bombarded with stupid messages about peer pressure, this and
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: peer pressure. That you use drugs because of peer pressure,
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: You start smoking when you're a kid because of peer pressure,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: you start drinking because of peer pressure. You have to
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: learn to resist peer pressure. So clearly peer mentoring would
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: be pretty effective if it was genuine, right. Clearly, people
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: would would recognize that you know their peers, if the
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: idea is popular, if the idea is a good idea
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: might be more interesting than something some dipshit on the internet, says,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: every single one of us that makes content on the
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: Internet for people to listen to talking about gender issues
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: and politics and all that we can all be classified
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: as just some dipshit on the Internet compared to a
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: real flesh and blood individual that is close to you
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: and is sitting next to you, like emotionally close to you,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: personally close to you, but is also there present physically
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: where you are that you can talk to and you
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: know that person, like the rest of us, might have
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: interesting things to say, and you might think about those things,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: but friends and family are worth much more in a
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of circumstances. So her it's hard
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: to imagine peer mentoring countering and in the stream of
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: online hate. Well, there isn't an endless stream of online
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: hate coming from men directed at men. Yeah, coming from men,
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: not so much. But uh, if if popular boys decided
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: to make I don't know what to classify Tate as
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: a con artists unpopular, then that would happen. They would
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: become unpopular. But they have reason, I guess, to listen
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: to that guy in some some ways. Maybe maybe y'all
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: should have listened to doctor Warren Ferrell. Maybe y'all should
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: have listened to Paul Elam. You wouldn't be worrying about
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: the boys listening to Andrew Tate if you had, yep,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson or any of the you know, Justice for
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: Men and Boys, the National Coalition for Men, any part
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: of the actual manisphere that came along before the dipshit
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: revolution that would have that would solved the problem before
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: it ever came along. She says. Some of this hatred
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: leads to violence, but in cells are less prone to
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: violence than other extremist groups. Costello tells me, you thinks
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: we're in a literal hot war with other extremist groups
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and inceels. A lot of in cels
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: just watch train videos.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 7: Uh we might think, uh, we think they might just
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 7: be pacified by the Internet, says somebody who was clearly
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 7: never been drolled.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: The Internet is their way of striving for status, so
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: they're occupied there and they channel their aggression there. Costello says,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: while in celt stirrup hatred online in an ostententious way.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: A lot of men abusing women are quote regular guys
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: and quote not extremists. No they're not. They're neither regular
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: guys nor extremist. Most men and women who abuse their
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: partners are just assholes, or they're broken people who don't
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: know how to handle conflicts of interest without using violence
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: to get their way.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: That's the the men who invented computers, right, never mind
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: the men who invented the software that brought us video games.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: They were all autistic as fuck. Well not all of them,
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: but like a lot of them. You know, people who
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: are good at coding like tend to be like, you know,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: you need to be a little bit obsessed with a
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: particular field of study. And so yeah, I it's sort
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: of sounds the reason a lot of artistic men got
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: into video games. And that was all well and good. Well,
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: while the women of the world were like, haha, look
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: at the loser with his video games. And then fucking
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: Asaki's came along, just fucking telling everyone that because Mario
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: saves a princess, that that means women are rewards in
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: video games and that this whole thing is is misogyny
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: and I and I'm sorry here trying I'm sat here
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: with Alison trying to explain how you know how men
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: saving women is like the complete fucking opposite of misogyny,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: Like men saving women it's like romantic shivory, isn't it.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: It's the same ship that's been going over in ages.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: But you need to suck us here going no, no, no,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: men's saving women is patriarchy and misogyny. And that's why
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: all of you game devs need to hire me as
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: a consultant. Uh, you need me to to make sure
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: that you're not doing anything as horrifically misogynistic as men
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: saving women. You can't be doing that. No, you men
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: need to save me a woman, Okay, and we're going
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: to employ that in this entire billion dollar industry. And
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: it's you know, I it occurred to me how relevant
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: this this, this is like ten minutes ago, and then
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: the conversation got away from me, and now I can't
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: remember how it became relevant, but I think it did
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: like ten minutes ago.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: Well, just about being pacified by the Internet. It's if
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: there was a an electronic pacifier for lonely men and women. Really,
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: it's although there's I'm sure quite a bit more lonely
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: men than women at this point, it's been video games
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: because you don't need other people necessarily to play video games.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this that thing about a lot of men
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: you're using women are regular guys like that pisses me off,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: all right, because I've been I've been a victim of
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: violence it's not regular behavior. Normal adults do not use
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: violence to get their way. They use every tool in
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: their diplomatic toolbox to avoid it because they learned as
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: kids that they don't like it. It's very, very simple.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: It's not normal for anyone to beat their partner or
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: start fights with other people. You have, Yeah, you have
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: people that do fight each other in bars for fun,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: but it's not the same thing. It's not you know,
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: it's usually a mutual start and stop thing, and nobody
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: gets killed at the end of it. And and there
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: isn't somebody who is an unwilling participant. It's usually two
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: people who had decided they were going to get into
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: a fight that night, right, But using violence to settle
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: you know what, what's in the budget for the month,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: or you know what's for dinner or what time dinner
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: is going to be, That's that's not normal. Regular people
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: do not do that, right. People with problems, mental problems
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: do that. People who are assholes do that right. People
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: who have uh completely failed at growing up do that.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, it's just one that that's stuck in
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: my crawl. Huh yeah. Then she goes on. Then she
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: goes on and says violence against women is normalized outside
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: of internet forums, which is again bullshit. Most of the
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: violence in the world targets men, very very few instances,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: by comparison, target women, she puts in parentheses. There's also
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: a misconception that in cells are far right. In fact,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: they tend to lean center left like Alex, although those
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: who endorse violence are more likely to be right wing,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: which I think that that's her own fantasy as well
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: as well as the harm it does toward women in
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: their lives. Misogyny is deeply harmful to them in themselves,
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: as their loneliness feeds their resentment. They waste their lives
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: away on the internet. This is another fantasy. It's important
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: to speak to these men because they're going to listen
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: to you, lady, and it's important. It's important to take
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: their problems seriously, even if they've misidentified women as the cause.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: So basically, the concern trolls that came into the subreddit
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: like I was talking about before, the Men's Right subreddit,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: this woman is the queen of concern trolls going into
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: men's rights forums in any other place that men talk
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: about their issues and saying don't you think your mother
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: would be ashamed of the way that you talk about women. Besides,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: it's always possible that they could change their minds. When
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: I'm on the train home from meeting Dan, he texted
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: me about calling women whorse. I seriously don't mean everyone. God,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: it's a start. And of course there's the little disclaimer.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: Own names in this piece have been changed and there's
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: no comments. None. Nobody commented on this article at all.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: Nobody cared. Of course, this is a archive, so maybe
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: somebody has later. But I can only read it as
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: an archive because if I try to open it as
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: an article, there's a paywall. So there you go. This
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: woman could not finish her article, could not get her
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: points across, could not get her claims across without making
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: up a feminist in MRA's clothing to use as a
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: foil against the other guys that she talked to. I mean,
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: that's pretty pathetic. That's that's beyond pathetic. Anybody have any
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: last thoughts on the article?
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: Glad it's finished and well sharing the article.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I also agree with Lauren. Everything
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: that you see said in the last five minutes is
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: exactly my opinion of this article. The sleeping yes, the snoring.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: I wish I snored like that instead of the way
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: I store because it's awesome.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: I'm still here, what about. I will join Lauren in
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  Speaker 2: her snoring.
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  Speaker 1: Soon okay, but for.
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  Speaker 2: The time being, I'm here for you, the listenators, the Badgerinos.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being here, Thank you for staying here.
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  Speaker 1: For this long yep, and thanks everybody for listening. Thanks
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: to all of my co hosts for going through this
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: slog with me. We can do something else next next time,
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  Speaker 1: which will be two weeks from now, remember, and thanks
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  Speaker 1: again to Brian for working in the background to make
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: sure this can happen and sticking around for this whole show.
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  Speaker 4: Good Night all, Kelly ho three two