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  Speaker 1: Welcome to UK column.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Ben Rubin and I am delighted to
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  Speaker 2: be speaking today with mister Nick Griffin.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the column.
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  Speaker 3: Nick. Thank you, Ben.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic. So you've been active in.
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  Speaker 2: British politics for over fifty years. You were formerly chairman
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  Speaker 2: of the British National Party, in which capacity you served
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  Speaker 2: as a member of the European Parliament between twenty nine
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  Speaker 2: and twenty fourteen. How optimistic are you feeling about the
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  Speaker 2: recent surge of nationalistic fervor which seems to have taken
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  Speaker 2: hold of certain parts of the country.
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  Speaker 3: I think what's going on is really stunning. I've never
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  Speaker 3: seen anything like it. For that, reading back to the
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  Speaker 3: history books, I've never read anything like it. In the
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  Speaker 3: last couple of years, the British in general, but particularly
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  Speaker 3: the English A basically been tribalized on a staggering scale.
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  Speaker 3: Now you can see it in the enormous opinion poll
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  Speaker 3: lead which Reform have had now for well over a year,
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  Speaker 3: in one hundred and twenty thousand people that Rupert Lowe
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  Speaker 3: has signed up to join Restore. More than that, you
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  Speaker 3: can see it in the flags just all over all
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  Speaker 3: over the place. The whole of certainly the West Midlands
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  Speaker 3: now looks like Northern Ireland on acid. It's quite stunning.
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  Speaker 3: So what's happened. I was speaking to some a couple
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  Speaker 3: of Muslims a few weeks ago, and obviously we disagree
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  Speaker 3: on many things. We agree on many other things actually,
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  Speaker 3: but what I was saying to them is you people
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  Speaker 3: need to understand that you are now dealing potentially with
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  Speaker 3: a totally different British peoples are the ones that you've
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  Speaker 3: grown up with, because something's flipped in the head. So
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  Speaker 3: this is now actually quite a dangerous beast. We needed
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  Speaker 3: to be a dangerous beast because people have been mocking
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  Speaker 3: us and putting us down for a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm very, very happy and amazed by what is
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  Speaker 3: going on and the potential for real change in Britain.
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  Speaker 3: Having said which, none of the things I've talked about, reform,
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  Speaker 3: the Rupert Low thing, those things are not going to
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  Speaker 3: make any difference. That is not the coming British revolution.
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  Speaker 3: These are safety valves or ghastly errors. What I'm enthusiastic
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  Speaker 3: about is the fact that the British people are, especially
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  Speaker 3: the young people and young middle class men particularly, who
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  Speaker 3: are people who tend to really make changes. Millions of
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  Speaker 3: these people are now wide a week.
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  Speaker 1: They certainly are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the flags last summer I think was quite
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  Speaker 2: a striking moment. I spoke about it on the news
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  Speaker 2: here at the time, and the fact that it really
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  Speaker 2: resonated with me personally. My grandmother was Norwegian. If you
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  Speaker 2: go to Norway, there's flags on everything. You know. They
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  Speaker 2: wear them on their clothes, they have them on the
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  Speaker 2: back of their cars, they're boats, their houses. And actually,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a really it's a really positive thing. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: if it's done in the right way. I suppose the
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  Speaker 2: question a lot of people have though, is is is
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  Speaker 2: this all truly organic? And is the energy this dangerous
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  Speaker 2: beast that you've talked about, is that energy being directed
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  Speaker 2: in the right places.
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  Speaker 3: It's the basis of it is organic. This is a
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  Speaker 3: people that's waking up. And I think that the flags
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  Speaker 3: thing is organic. Yeah, I know that. I know the
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  Speaker 3: lads around my part of Shropshire who put the flags up.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're not working for anybody. This is just them.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's their money, it's hard money and so on,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just getting done. But this thing is being
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  Speaker 3: exploited and whipped up to a staggering scale. Now I
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  Speaker 3: wrote about this back in twenty ten, actually so well
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  Speaker 3: over fifteen years ago now in a booklet online called
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  Speaker 3: What Lies Behind the English Defense League, which set out
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  Speaker 3: in great detail even then just how the whole Tommy
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  Speaker 3: Robinson edl thing then as it was then was a
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  Speaker 3: wholly owned subsidiary of the Zionist stroke American deep state beast,
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  Speaker 3: and it was completely fake everything from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 3: It's not these people moved in and started to exploit
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  Speaker 3: Tommy once he started. From the very beginning, this was
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  Speaker 3: a creature of the American deep state and the Zionist lobby.
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  Speaker 3: But in twenty twelve it was just Tommy and co.
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  Speaker 3: Yet now it's a thing which stretches from well to
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  Speaker 3: his sort of political right with people screaming about remigration
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  Speaker 3: and so on, and it's we need remigration, should have it,
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  Speaker 3: but we're not going to get it, and say we're
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  Speaker 3: going to get it through a political waving of a
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  Speaker 3: magic wand is wasting people's time and just winding things up.
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  Speaker 3: So it's from them, through Tommy Robinson, through a huge
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  Speaker 3: swathe of alternative media influencers and so on, including some
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  Speaker 3: very very big podcasts right the way through the gb News,
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  Speaker 3: which is funded by a liberal multi billionaire and is
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  Speaker 3: driving the British people absolutely wild with resentment and hatreds
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  Speaker 3: for which there is some good reason as a matter
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  Speaker 3: of fact, but this is being whipped up. And then
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  Speaker 3: he's seen it with Professor David Betts, who's a key
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  Speaker 3: figure in the British intelligence British military intelligence establishment, who's
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  Speaker 3: being allowed basically to run wild on social media saying
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  Speaker 3: we face an inevitable civil war within five years now.
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  Speaker 3: I think we probably do, because fundamentally the country is
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  Speaker 3: very unstable. The whole multicultural mass immigration thing without our
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  Speaker 3: consent was a piece of total insanity to begin with.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing which makes it really pretty definite is
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  Speaker 3: there's a multi billion pound operation being pushed into creating
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  Speaker 3: a civil war in Britain. That's where they want to
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  Speaker 3: take us. They want to do it for various reasons,
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  Speaker 3: not least to drive the British people so mad that
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  Speaker 3: when Nettaniahu and Trump come along and say, in another
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  Speaker 3: two or three years time, having run away from Iran
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  Speaker 3: and lost this conflict, as they're going to when they
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  Speaker 3: run go back to it in a couple of years time.
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  Speaker 3: They want the British people so fighting mad that we're
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  Speaker 3: willing to send our taxes and our sons and even
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  Speaker 3: daughters into their bloody war.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely yes, I mean it's quite the potent mixture in
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  Speaker 2: the country at the moment. He talked about a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of things there. The gb News angle, I think is fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: I had done some reporting on this last year around
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  Speaker 2: Paul Marshall and the fact that he actually made is
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  Speaker 2: his real money. He was already quite wealthy, but he
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  Speaker 2: made his significant money after nineteen ninety seven when he
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  Speaker 2: set up a Hedge Fund in partnership with George Soros,
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  Speaker 2: one of the main founders of Open Societies and Black
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  Speaker 2: Lives Matter and what it's supposed to be the complete
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  Speaker 2: political opposite of what.
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  Speaker 1: The gb News is pushing.
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  Speaker 2: You begin to understand and that actually a lot of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff is really just done in order to create chaos.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so, absolutely so. And of course Paul Marshall's
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  Speaker 3: that the Hedge Fund operation that he's still involved with
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  Speaker 3: one quite quite apart from the Zionist thing and the
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  Speaker 3: American deep state thing. Perhas we all talk about the
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  Speaker 3: fact there's a slight difference between the two that would
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  Speaker 3: be useful. But apart from that, Paul Marshall's vested financial
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  Speaker 3: interest is the fact that the Katari based hedge fund
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  Speaker 3: that he is heavily involved in and massively invested in,
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  Speaker 3: its main business model is buying distressed assets. That's buying
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  Speaker 3: assets which are because of all sorts of chaos. Aren't
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  Speaker 3: he particularly bad at the time? Now, if there's anything
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  Speaker 3: like a distress asset, it would be like the property
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  Speaker 3: of all of London at the end of this straits
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  Speaker 3: or hormoes. What I'm increasingly thinking is actually a deliberate
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  Speaker 3: This isn't just in competence. This is a deliberate smashing
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  Speaker 3: blow against the world economy, similar to the COVID thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same scam. It's a new World Economic Forum
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  Speaker 3: type lockdown designed to grind us or into poverty and
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  Speaker 3: to crush our carb in footprint. And when you put
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  Speaker 3: that economic and financial pain together with potentially a civil
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  Speaker 3: war sweeping over the suburbs of London, there'd been no
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  Speaker 3: distressed assets in the world like London property, and Paul
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  Speaker 3: Marshall and Cold be there and will sweep it all up.
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  Speaker 2: Right by when there's blood on the streets, as they say, yes,
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  Speaker 2: the terminology, Okay, we'll come back to you. Touched on
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  Speaker 2: a number of things there. I suppose that the first
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  Speaker 2: and most obvious question is are we likely to see
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  Speaker 2: Nigel Farage premiership in twenty twenty nine?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's I think it's quite likely. It's
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  Speaker 3: by no means certain, And okay, reform of dipped a
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  Speaker 3: little bit in the polls at presence, and all the
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  Speaker 3: Liberals are very happy about that because they don't really
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  Speaker 3: like Nigel Farrage just put it out there, so it's
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  Speaker 3: dipped a bit in the polls. But if the Labor Party,
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  Speaker 3: if Starma does another U turn and goes even more
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  Speaker 3: blazantly soft on the illegal asylum mo seekers and all
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  Speaker 3: the rest of it, and with the economic pain that's
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  Speaker 3: coming our way, I think that a Farage victory is
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  Speaker 3: really quite likely. Now that's not going to say Britain,
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  Speaker 3: not least because the demographics of the shambles are so
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  Speaker 3: bad that you cannot put the old capitalist system back
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  Speaker 3: together again. It's the civilization you and I regard as normal.
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  Speaker 3: It's finished. Something new will come out of it, whether
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  Speaker 3: it'll be a totalitarian totally completely totalitarian, surveillance, central bank,
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  Speaker 3: digital currency state. Whether it'll be sheer anarchy, or whether
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  Speaker 3: it'll be some kind of change around to a totally
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  Speaker 3: new in the end, a better system, much less materialistic,
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  Speaker 3: but overall better, we still don't know. But Niger Farrage,
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  Speaker 3: the populace, will not change anything. He might deregulate the
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  Speaker 3: British economy a little bit and give us a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of an economic boost, which is fundamentally all about
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  Speaker 3: privatization and long term the middle classes being screwed even
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  Speaker 3: more than we are before. It's not going to change anything,
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  Speaker 3: but I think he may well come to power. And
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  Speaker 3: despite everything we know about the populists, Trump Maloney in Italy,
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  Speaker 3: who was like Farage might be, was elected because the
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  Speaker 3: people thought she was going to stop immigration. She's actually
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  Speaker 3: flooding Italy with hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Hindus
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  Speaker 3: every single year. So she's not saving Italy. She has
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  Speaker 3: just saved Italy from a genuine nationalist backlash in order
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  Speaker 3: to allow the capitalists controlled immigration replacement of the Italians
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  Speaker 3: to carry on, and Farage and Cold be the same.
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  Speaker 3: Having said which I still had to think he wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be quite as bad as a Labor Party SNP. Green
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  Speaker 3: is we missed alliance, which is the probable thing we
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  Speaker 3: will get if Faraj and Co. Don't win. And the
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  Speaker 3: one thing that makes it quite likely that that particularly
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  Speaker 3: disaster will happen is the complete madness of Rupert Low
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  Speaker 3: taking one hundred and twenty in the due course one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two hundred thousand people and putting them
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  Speaker 3: into an election effort which in twenty twenty nine they
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  Speaker 3: will lose by a staggering scale. They will get something
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  Speaker 3: between one percent, which probably won't make a difference and
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  Speaker 3: ten percent, which would simply mean that Reform do not
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  Speaker 3: win any seats either, and we end up actually with
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  Speaker 3: an almost unopplosed ultra leftist block. Now I'm not so
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  Speaker 3: naive of naives. I think the ultra leftists are really evil,
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  Speaker 3: and the other people on the right are yet are
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  Speaker 3: fine because in the end they are as George Galloway says,
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  Speaker 3: two cheeks are the same US, it doesn't make that
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  Speaker 3: much difference. But I do think it'll be worse. And
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  Speaker 3: worst of all, Low has got the the capability at
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  Speaker 3: present of turning his army of people into a and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not talking a political army. I'm sorry, a military army.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking a political and potentially a community army. He
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  Speaker 3: could turn that thing into a genuine organization which could
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  Speaker 3: drastically change how our communities feel about themselves and are,
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  Speaker 3: because they could turn it to something which radically creates
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  Speaker 3: real effective communities in our country in all sorts of ways.
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  Speaker 3: And instead of that, instead of getting them doing things
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  Speaker 3: like community patrols, creating as for instance, Shinfein did when
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  Speaker 3: they had their battle against the SDLP for the hearts
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  Speaker 3: and minds of the Catholic working class in West Belfast.
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  Speaker 3: They did it because every few streets they had an
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  Speaker 3: advice center which actually helped local people. Now Restore could
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  Speaker 3: do things like that, they could set up hundreds of
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  Speaker 3: advice centers and community centers and really give back to
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  Speaker 3: ordinary working class people in this country a sense a
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  Speaker 3: belonging community. Instead of that, he's leading them into the
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  Speaker 3: electoral valley of death, which, if it achieves anything, will
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  Speaker 3: simply be that we end up with an ultra leftist
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  Speaker 3: Labour government until twenty thirty four, with the doors to
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  Speaker 3: mass immigration completely open. Sous for another eight years and
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  Speaker 3: somewhere between half a million and a million bricks, mainly
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  Speaker 3: young young ones leaving every single year. At the end
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  Speaker 3: of eight years of that, you've had a population exchange
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  Speaker 3: or something like twelve to fourteen million people, all of
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  Speaker 3: whom vote or don't votecause they're no longer there. And
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  Speaker 3: that's its good night, Vienna. And so I'm while, as
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  Speaker 3: I said at the beginning, I'm very optimistic about the
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  Speaker 3: way things could go, I'm not at all optimistic, enthused
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  Speaker 3: by or fall by any of the things that the
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  Speaker 3: people in politics are doing at present. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 3: in a way because in the end politics it's all
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  Speaker 3: smoke of mirrors, so called demographics, democratic system which is
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  Speaker 3: actually simply a fig leaf for corporate role for govcore
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  Speaker 3: new sort of global fascism or communism, depending on you
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  Speaker 3: can call it whatever you want, but it's utter totalitarianism.
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  Speaker 3: And the idea you can vote to your way out
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  Speaker 3: of it by viotal voting for TWEEDL. Dumb instead of TWEEDL.
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  Speaker 3: Dummer really doesn't hack it.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 2: At the start of this I introduced you someone who'd
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  Speaker 2: been active in British politics for over fifty years former
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  Speaker 2: chairman of the National Party. It sounds like you've had
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  Speaker 2: enough for politics.
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  Speaker 3: I've had enough politics, and I haven't actually changed my
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  Speaker 3: position here. It's just that the times have changed. In
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  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven I did a speaking to around all
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  Speaker 3: the branches, key branches of the British National Party, which
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  Speaker 3: at the time was much smaller than it became and
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  Speaker 3: something of a bad political joke, basically unelectable. What had
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  Speaker 3: happened with one Seed in the Island Dogs was complete
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  Speaker 3: fluke based on a very strange place. They used to
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  Speaker 3: elect communists in the Island Dogs not long before. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't a representative even of East London. But I
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  Speaker 3: did this speaking to her in ninety seven, and I
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  Speaker 3: said to the people, look, we have between twenty and
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  Speaker 3: twenty five years to turn this thing around, and after
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  Speaker 3: that the demographics make it impossible, and not to talking
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  Speaker 3: about the demographics of them near, the Muslims, the immigrants
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  Speaker 3: and so on, and talking about our demographics, our aging
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  Speaker 3: population and what will be our shrinking population. So we
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  Speaker 3: only have twenty to twenty five years time to save
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  Speaker 3: this country through the political process. After that we become
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  Speaker 3: a minority and we have to look after our interests
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  Speaker 3: in other ways, but we can't hope to turn it around.
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  Speaker 3: So we tried, and basically I said to them, therefore,
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  Speaker 3: we've got to get serious and you've got to put
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  Speaker 3: away the juvenile extremism and we've got to improve, smarten
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  Speaker 3: up our acts and get elected. And to a degree
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  Speaker 3: we did, and we were stopped in the end by
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  Speaker 3: the fact that the British political elite, particularly the BBC,
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  Speaker 3: promoted Niger Farrage and what was UKIP then to a
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  Speaker 3: staggering scale in order to block us. So that created
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: various strange things, including a Brexit, which turned out to
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  Speaker 3: be a Brexit in name only, but still I still
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  Speaker 3: regard it as a good thing. And that was because
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  Speaker 3: they were scared of us. That's how that unfolded. But
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety seven I said, we got twenty five
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  Speaker 3: years and after that it's not possible what times up.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly what I was telling people then was going to happen,
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  Speaker 3: and not power behind me likewise told people long before
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  Speaker 3: that has now happened. We are on a course to
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  Speaker 3: become a minority in our own country. Even if we
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  Speaker 3: have a civil war. We're not going to have a remigration,
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  Speaker 3: because you can't have remigration without a civil war. You'd
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  Speaker 3: had to win a civil war. And we're not going
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  Speaker 3: to win a civil war, nor are we going to
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  Speaker 3: lose it. Quite simply, what we will have is a
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  Speaker 3: thirty just like Northern Ireland or just like Europe in
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  Speaker 3: the seventeen stry, We'll have a civil war which'll trundle
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  Speaker 3: on for some thirty odd years. Not total cake, not
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  Speaker 3: total chaos everywhere, but real thorough Northern Iron style nustiness,
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  Speaker 3: or the Professor Bett says, it might spill outs into
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  Speaker 3: something like the former Yugoslavia. Total destruction and four percent
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  Speaker 3: of the entire population die. Is somewhere between the two.
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  Speaker 3: If it comes, we'll have that for about thirty years.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of that. Now, the ide will win.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of it, either the Chinese or the
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  Speaker 3: Americans or someone will come in and say, look, ruin
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  Speaker 3: Britain is a good financial prospect for us. We can
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  Speaker 3: help to put it together again. So we will stop
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  Speaker 3: this war, and we will either pay the men of violence,
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  Speaker 3: who will be the scum of the earth, because when
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  Speaker 3: you have violence, violence scum rise to the top. We'll
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  Speaker 3: pay the men of violence to stop. We'll pay the
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  Speaker 3: men of violence to shoot the other men of violence
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  Speaker 3: who won't give up, and we'll have some sort of
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  Speaker 3: peace deal. And if thirty years time we'll end up
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  Speaker 3: with a Balkanized Britain where we live in our areas
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  Speaker 3: and they live in their areas and the graveyards are full.
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  Speaker 3: I far rather try and get to the stage when
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  Speaker 3: we have a bulk andized Britain by negotiation and discussion
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  Speaker 3: and short circuit the process and not have thirty years
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  Speaker 3: of bloodshed. But that is where we are heading, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: because the political route has failed, and there's no point
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  Speaker 3: pretending that the political route can put things right because
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  Speaker 3: they're just wasting time and money and effort and love.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the civil war narrative that's been riding high for
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  Speaker 2: at least a year and a half now, isn't it
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  Speaker 2: to achieve? And it's just civil war is inevitable, It's coming,
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  Speaker 2: You've mentioned, Professor Bettz. But there's a whole kind of
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  Speaker 2: sway the podcasters and commentators who are basically pushing this
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  Speaker 2: is some kind of inevitability. But I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: necessarily the case at all. I agree with the time manufactured,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: just like everything else.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's not inevitable, not least because one of the
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: things that they persuaded so many Brits, and for decades,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: in any clash or ptenlash between the indigenous Brits and
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: any of the more recently arrived immigrants, they were always
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: the more radical ones, the ones who are potentially more
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: violent than so on. That's changed. The radical ones now
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: are the indigenous Brits, not all of them, my guess
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: is fifteen percent, but the ira torn Northern Island Department
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: with four hundred men maximum, yep, that's it. And on
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: top of that we got, especially on the Muslim side,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: we got thousands upon thousands of still young men who
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: served fighting against the British military and so on in
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Afghanistan and in Syria, all of these crazed, insane, neo
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: con and Zionist wars which we should never have been
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: involved in the first place. But we've got two communities,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: at least in Britain now, with one with a real
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: desire for war and people in the other actually with
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: the capability of fighting a war. It really is horrible,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: but it is not inevitable, not least because although they're
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: driving the Brits mad. They Tom Robinson's and the gp
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Newses of this world, this big swathe, as you say,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: although they're driving the Brits mad with the idea or
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the Muslims are all going to take over, we're being
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: outbred and so on, simply isn't true. The birth rate
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: of Britain's Muslim population is crashed, and it continues to crash.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Now it's still much higher than ours, because ours is
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: about one point four but THEIRS is two point four. Now,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: within five or six years, THEIRS will be at below
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: replacement level, the same as ours, which means although their
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: numbers will continue to increase relative to ours because their
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: population is younger, so we're dying off faster. The idea
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that they're going to swamp us is a complete nonsense.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Further than that they are now going to university. Their
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: kids are going to university at a far higher level
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: than ours, which is are rather unfortunate for them because
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: they're all going to have massive debts. Just as AI
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: completely obliterates the jobs of the white collar glass. One
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: of the consequences of that, And again I've spoken to
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: a number of Muslims over the last six months especially,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: and they all say that all the young people that
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: they know, all of them who've got have got themselves
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: educated and so on, they all plan it possible to
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: leave Britain. They all want to emigrate because they think
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: there's no future for them here. Now. Until two months
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: ago or three weeks ago, most of them wanted to
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: go to Dubai, so that's now out of it. But
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: there's places like Malaysia and so on. A massive Muslim
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: state which has the unipolar world of since nineteen forty five,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: falls apart and it becomes more multipolar. Places like that
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: are going to be trading with and working with the
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Chinese and so on, with an increasingly middle class type
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: third world, and they're going to come up in the world.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: The more they come up in the world, the more
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: educated young Muslims are going to want to leave Britain.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: One other crucial thing here, more Muslim young women girls
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: are going to university than young men. And the moment
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: girls go to university, they are lost to any sort
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: of traditionalist community, whether it's Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: they're not going to go home and have five six kids.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: They're not they're going to go into from a university.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Many of them there become the left wing craze, feminist haridance,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the same as happens to middle class white girls, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: the rest of them will become career women. And at
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the very most, when they get to thirty or thirty two,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: their biological clocks will be ticking all of a sudden,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: they'll think I want children. By the time they found
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: someone and they're married, at the age of thirty five,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: they'll have time for one child, say as our women
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: have so the idea that this population is going to
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: swamp us, it's completely gone. Britain has still got an
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: immigration problem, obviously from the people coming in illegally on
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the boats and the ten times that number coming in legally,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: particularly from Indo India, being brought in as cheap labor
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: by the usual capitalist suspects on the ideological grounds and
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: support of the usual various other subjects, the far left,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: the zion is to delete who hate us and so
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: on and so forth. So we've still got problems with that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Europe as a whole is going to have problems as
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: our population dies off and the banking elite. Although robots
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: can do the work. Robots can't consume, robots don't give
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the excuse for the banking elite's financial sorry political puppets
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: to loot what's left of the middle classes with taxes.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: So they need immigrants for those reasons, not to work,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: but just to keep the welfare state thing going and
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: to consume. And they're not going to get them from
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: anywhere except Southern and South sub Sahara and Africa. So
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Europe in general and Britain as well, we're going to
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: have massive immigration problems, but mainly with Sub Saharan Africans
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: and Hindus, not with Muslims, so we don't face a
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Muslim takeover. So therefore that side of the there's definitely
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: going to be a civil war is simply not true.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: But what's true or isn't true when two communities are
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: at loggerheads or three communities, four communities, even this is
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: a multi way thing. The chaos of modern that's coming
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: in Britain when you subject or let me put it
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: in another way, the multicultural experiment, which I've campaigned against
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: since I was a boy. The multiculture experiment has never
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: been stress tested, and with the straighterhall moose thing being
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: exploited as yet another deliberate lockdown of our old society.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: This is going to be a stress test on a
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: staggering scale, and I think you have to make it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: It's at least likely that multicultural Britain and multicultural Western
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Europe will fail that stress test and that are totally unnecessary.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: An artificial civil war will be the result.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It certainly seems to be the desired direction of travel
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: by the establishment.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Is interesting to hear you talking about.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: The Muslim communities and what's happening to them in terms
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: of essentially attacks on their traditional family structure and culture,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: because essentially, and I noticed this for the past couple
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of years, if you look at some of the output
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: from people what BBC Channel four, they're absolutely going after
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: traditional Muslim families in the same way that they went
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: after traditional British Christian families in the sixties, seventies and eighties.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: It's exactly the same pattern.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is absolutely so. There's the latest thing in
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: the sort of pop borning TV crime dramas is young
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: obviously Asian red Muslim women being resented on television with
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: English surnames as detectives and so on. This is absolutely
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: is very clear, and it's across the board on three
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: or four different programs like this. It's part of this
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: process you just pointed out they are going. They've declared
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: war on the old Muslim traditionalist communities for various reasons,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: not least because part of a real popular backlash and
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: defense against the extraordinary totalitarian extremism of the elite who
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: are now obviously running the show. Part of that defense
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: needs to be traditionalists of our community coming together with
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Muslim traditionalists, as has It's happened in a few places.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Happened in Birmingham where schools are headed by the biggest
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: gang of groomers that Britain has ever seen named of
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the teachers' unions, schools which have been promoting the LGBT
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: and especially the trans thing to young kids. The people
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: outside the gates protesting have been small numbers of Indigenous
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Christians and Muslim parants as well, and that way, rather
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: than trying to have a civil war. Part of the
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: reason they won a civil war. There's various reasons, but
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons is the old thing divide and rule.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: The British Empire was very good at this. The Habsburgs
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: were very good at this. If you're or when you're
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: hell bent on exploiting and screwing the masses, there's always
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a press of potential that the masses will rise against you.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: So if the masses are all one people, when we
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: had a homogeneous as the BBC used to say, hideously
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: white Britain, if you screw that too much, the people
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: would rise up against you and get rid of you.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: So you bring in lots of foreigners, you create a
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: multicultural society. Then you've got the position. Any time that
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the peasants start to revolt against their masters, the masters
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: run along. Least to do it. In Ireland, in Northern
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Ireland in the nineteen thirties, you had the old hostility
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: between the orange and the Green was broke down, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: he had joint hunger riots against the bosses. And that
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: they responded to that by winding up the old Orange
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: green thing and turning the hunger riots yet again into
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: communal sectarian riots. So now they want to do the
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: same thing. And as old as the hills, if the
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: peasants start to revolt against the masses, then sorry against
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: the bosses the elite. The elite simply go to work
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: saying to the peasants with pitchforks. Look at the peasants
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: with torches. They can come and burn your pitchforks. The
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: other way around, and you set the peasants against each other. Now,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I've no love for Islam in this country. Should not
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: be here. It's always been a terribly dangerous thing to do.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: But Muslims are not our enemies. We never had a
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: right to go into their countries and smash them up
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: and blow them to hell and loot them as we
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: have done, and as the Western elite, western inverly commerce
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: do a degree still do. But good fences make good neighbors.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: There's no reason why you couldn't have a good relationship
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: with the Muslim countries of the world. And finally on this,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: because i still am still a British nationalist, and I'm
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: still an ethno nationalist, and i still believe that a
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: largely far more monocultural and I'm including the Welsh in
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the monoculture, that would be a far better country. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I want to go back to that one day, But
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: we're not going to get it through forced remigration. The
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: only way to get it one day is when the
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: peoples of the entire world, perhaps absently the United States.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: We can leave it in its own little box it
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: needs be if we deal. One day, we will deal
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: because the old capitalist financial fiat money thing is reaching
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the end of its possible life. One day we'll have
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: a more multipolar world. One day those countries will be
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: free of Zionists and Western bank domination and ruin. And
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: as they come up, so these people who are in
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: our country as long term guests will increasingly go home.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I make no bones about it. That's what I still want.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: But it can only be done negotiation and consent and
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: a common struggle against the global elite who'll otherwise turn
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: us all into slaves along the path of getting rid
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: of most of us.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. I've got some good friends
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: who are.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Afro Caribbean background, and there's little things like just simple
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: stuff like in the winter they find it's so cold
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: here because they're not adapted to this environment.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: But they're kind. They've been brought here unnaturally. And that's
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: not to.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Say that I hate them or anything like that, but
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it's but actually just some very simple stuff like that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: It's actually no, we're from northern Europe and you're.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: From Sub Saharan Africa or somewhere else, you know. So actually,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and we're and we're suited to these environments. So wouldn't
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you want to be in the place that you're suited to.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not about hate. It's just about and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: this the way that things should be exactly.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's they were brought here, apart from at a
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: real deep level, to divide our society, to make it
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: more easily ruled. They were bought here even at the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: most obvious level. They were bought here as cheap labor.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: They were bought here because the mills in Northern England
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: and London Transport and so on wouldn't pay decent wages
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to our own people. They were bought here because Britain
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: was exporting one hundreds of thousands of people and tens
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: of thousands of Bernardo's kids to Australia and so on.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: The idea that Britain had a labor shortage is simply
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: not true. We wouldn't have had a labor shortage if
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: we paid decent wages and kept our own people here.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: But it didn't suit the people with money and so on,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: so they created a labor shortage, and then they brought
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: people from the Third World in not out of some
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: the goodness of their hearts, but in order to exploit them.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: And the biggest argument that the liberal left still has
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: always used, and still uses and will use even more
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: for mass immigration is what we need these people to
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: run our health service. The otherwise, no one to look
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: after audio old bricks when you're old and dribbling. Well,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: by what right does Britain or France or America would
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: have to go into countries, poor countries in the Third
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: World and say to doctors and nurses that they paid
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: a very significant part of their limited tax and national
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: budget to train we're going to take you. This is
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: actually the old imperialism. We went there and we took
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: stuff from them, but at least we built them schools
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: and hospitals and railways and so on. The post war imperialism,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: at the purely capitalist sort, we don't the West doesn't
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: even do anything for them. You simply create chaos in
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: their country. Go in and take the uranium and leave
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: a bloody, great, stinking, polluted whole. But the very worst
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: form of imperialism is what's hand now courtesy particularly are
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: the left, which is to go into their countries and
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: take their best young people thereby leaving their countries in
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: even bigger ruin and problems that they had to start with.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: It's utterly wicked when instead of that we should be
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: training our own people to do those jobs and helping
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: those countries become better places, so that people who were
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: bought here under false pretensis can in accrecently go home
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: and had good lives in the places where really they belong. Yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's a really interesting point actually, which is
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: essentially it's human resource extraction exactly.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Will obviously be fulfilling with that term, but it's the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: same thing.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It's just imperialism by an another approach. Yeah, Okay, lots
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to think about there. You mentioned Rupert Lowe obviously riding
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: high at the moment on the back of the recent
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: launch of Restore Britain as a political party. You actually
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: wrote an open letter to him, I believe, either just
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: before he made that announcement or just after, with some
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: recommendations about how he should approach the upcoming elections, or
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: certainly of the elections in twenty twenty nine. As far
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: as I'm aware, he seems to have ignored most of those.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: You take what I wrote I wrote it on substack,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: where whether I write as Nick Griffin beyond the bail
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: and any viewers who aren't on substack you really should
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: got on there. Get on there. Not super from my writings,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: but there's so much really good independent journalism on all
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: sorts of subjects on substack. It's doing what the Fleet
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Street of the eighteenth century did with pamphlets and papers
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: and so on. It's the Fleet Street at Cobbitt and
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: the old English radical tradition, and it's there on a
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: wonderful scale on substack. But on there, as you say,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I wrote an open letter to Rupert Lowe and I've
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: followed up for several things more with recommendations, which basically is,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: don't split the vote in twenty twenty nine and get hammered.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Build a grassroots base base. One of the things. Do
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: you know, Ben, there's ten million people in Britain not
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: even registered to vote. That's not illegals, that's out of
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: the legal population. There's ten million people not registered to vote,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: let alone. Almost half the people don't vote nowadays, even
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: in general elections. Now. Of those ten million, my estate
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: is about one million are very very disconnected, and frankly
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: because of the liberal education system, feral black underclass, young
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: feral black underclass in places like London and Birmingham, they
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: don't bother. And there's some people who are running away
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: from the bailiffs and so they don't bother. But at
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: least eight million, probably nine million people in Britain aren't
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: registered to vote, and they are white working class. Nine
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: million is more people than elected the last Labor government.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: As how many people aren't registered to vote now, if
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: instead of going into the elections in twenty to twenty nine,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: if he's even able to register that party, which is
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: still unclear, we could discuss that if you want. But
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: even if Restore is actually registered and becomes a party,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: go in and be obliterated in those elections, as I
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: said before, by reform. If instead of that, I would
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: have settled down and say to his one hundred thousand
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: people at present, well, it was a couple of weeks ago.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: It will be two hundred thousand people fairly soon. If
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: you were to say to them, right, we're forming branches.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: They could have. The old British National Party, with about
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: ten thousand members, had one hundred good functioning units. So
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Rupert Lowe is going to have twenty times that he
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: could have two, and that these people are supposed to
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: be cleverer than the knuckle draggers are the BMP. We'll
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: see about that. We'll see if they're braver for a
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: start when the Left get going on them. But assuming
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: they're as good as our people were, he's going to
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: have twenty times what we had. So you could have
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: two thousand branches and simply say to those branches you've
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: got one key objective in the next year, and would
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: train you and how to do it, because we're going
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: to buy instead of spending ten million pounds losing an election,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: we're going to buy regional training centers and start setting
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: up community centers all over the country and train those
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: people in how to persuade people to register the vote,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: and where possible to register postal votes, and how to
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: keep in touch with them and so on, and say
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: to each of each one of two thousand local units,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: your job is simply to register over the next year
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: one thousand people to vote. That'd be two million, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you it can be done, because we experimented
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: with this in the BNP in the little Cumberland town
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: of May Report. We were desperate in twenty twenty thirteen
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: to win a county council election because we hadn't won
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: anything after the question Time thing, at the end of
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: which the following week our opinion, our standing in the
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: opinion polls went up to twenty two percent. So I
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: was lynched on question Time and the myth is that
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: that was the end of the BNP. No, it wasn't.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: The British people's public's response to watching that monstrous thing
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: was actually a way of sympathy for the BNP, which
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: ordit ary briefly on twenty two percent of the poll
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: as a result of which I was never again on
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: television except when they were forced to have us due
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: to electoral law. At general election time, they simply pretended
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: we vanished. So in twenty thirteen we were desperate to
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: try and win a seat, so we threw a great
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: deal of resources and we have far limited resources compared
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: to Rupert Low into this Maryport seat where there was
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: a county council by election coming up, or two in fact,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: and over the course of three months knocking door to
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: door and if people weren't in, we went back a
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: couple of the days later at a different time of day,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: and we knocked and knocked doors until we'd spoken too
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: almost everyone in Maryport. And whenever we found people who
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: were sympathetic, which was almost everybody, especially in the working
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: class areas, we said, are you registered to vote? And
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: actually we knew they weren't because we were knocking their doors,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: because they weren't on the electoral roll, and they'd say no,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I've never bothered. But because they were sympathetic to us,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: as these people are sympathetic to Low, I guarantee you
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: tens of thousands of people who joins Restore are not
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: even on the electoral role, because these are the people
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: smart enough to have given up on the political tweedle
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: dumb tweedl d two cheeks of the same ass fuss
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: years ago. But if Rupert Lowanko were to knock on
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: their doors, they will be enthusiastic and they can get
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: them to register to vote. And if they were to
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: spend three years doing that, they'd have almost as many
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: people registered to vote by them and happy to vote
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: for them. Well, they'd have far more people who voted
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: for Niger Farrage at the last German election, for a start.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: And if Low did that and in twenty twenty nine,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: let Niger Farrage come to power or at least do
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: pretty well then within a year, as long as Lowe
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: gets re elected in his seat in Great Yarmouth, which
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: he will not if they're trying to fight five hundred
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: seats and spreading their efforts. If he threw everything politically
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: into training his people by having them work Great the
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: armou like no constituencies as every would work before Rupert
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: low could hold that seat, so Niger Farrage would then
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: be in power in twenty twenty nine. Reform will then
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: foul up on a massive scale, because that is guaranteed.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Also guaranteed because it's happened after every single election that
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Niger Farrage has done well in since the nineteen nineties
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: in the European Parliament. Within a year of Niger Farrage
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: getting a lot of people elected, about a third of
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: them are defected because he can't build an organization. It's
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: all sorts of reasons. Now, some of those people Reform
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: would get potentially under this scenario, or four hundred people
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: elected to the House of Commons within a year, a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: quarter of them will defect, Some of them will go
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: to the tourists. But if Restore had built this real grassroots,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: powerful organization, the ones thinking well, how do I get
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: elected next time? They would go to Restore. So within
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: a year of not standing excepting his own seat in
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty nine election, Lowe would have one of
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the biggest blocks in Parliament behind him. It would have
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: millions of newly registered and keen voters supporting it, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: it would have a network of community advice centers and
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: so on. Now that would be a political force which
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: could then genuinely say we've got some really radical ideas
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: and we've got the political power to put them into practice.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: But just talking about the radical political ideas when you're
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: going to get ten percent at the very best in
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: the next general election and not one single seat, this
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: is not genuine politics. This is childish, too, very nonsense.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: And that's where a big chunk of the British right
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: is at present. And that's what I'm dedicating my current
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: time to pointing this out in the hope that some
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: of them, or at least will see that those things
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: are fast and simply settled down to really serious, productive,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: long term work, because that is what's needed to save
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: this country.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's a really interesting analysis and essentially saying
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: they need to play a longer game politically, but in
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: the meantime do things which are non politically. Talking about
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: these advice centers and there are some really interesting things
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: popping up all around the country in nationalist circles and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: are you familiar with the Woodlander initiative.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fantastic. One of the I'm writing a series
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: of articles on substack under the title what is to
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: be Done, which in due course will be a book.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: And one of the next chapters I've got to do
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: is I've done a chapter about what active nationalists should
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: be doing, because there's something that people in who can
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: join Restore and be involved in non electoral politics for
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: the time being, they can do that. People who've been
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: hard colum nationalists such as myself, such as everyone has
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: been involved in the various post b MP online type
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: things which are riddled by informers and so on. We're
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: all my men, we can't actually go into something like
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Restore because we not just me, but all these youngsters
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: have been in these things several tens of thousands of people.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: If you're in a party like that, then your past
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: absurd comments on Facebook and so on are going to
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: be thrown at the party come election time. So you
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: can't go into these things. But there's so many productive
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: things that young nationalists can be doing, and I pointed
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: this out in a recent Substuch article, to acquire the
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: assets and the skill and the skills to make them
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: politically effective at mobilizing their communities in all sorts of ways.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: And one of the next chapters I've got to do
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: is the sort of the logical extension of this that regionally,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: all these different now they don't all have to come together.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: They certainly don't have to come and follow me. They
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: can all do it on their own back following the
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Woodlands initiative and getting little patches it's almost it's symbolic,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: but it's more than symbolic, little patches of our land,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: especially woodland, which is absolutely ours, and having their own
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: group of people around this. And it's not just this
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: isn't some romantic type odd ball thing. I think it's
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: absolutely fundamental to give young people and especially young families
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: a real grounding connection with the soil of our native
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: land and the beauty of our native land, and to
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: use it as a way. It's not just somewhere where
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: active nationalists can go and sit and drink and chat
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: together or whatever. Is particularly where somewhere where young youngsters,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: young kids can be bought up as young men and
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: just doing the things that young men should do. Now,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: there's no point actually, in real life, there's no survival
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: value in being able to light a fire without matches
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: or a lighter, because you can always get matches and
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: a lighter. But it's a deeper thing, a far far
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: deeper thing. Those sort of skills are skills which give
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: young men and meant to have those skills. It gives
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: them a confidence and a sort of a tribal sense
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: of belonging. This is my place, and that is the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: sort These are the things that our people are going
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: to need on a really deep, deep level to give
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: them the grounding and the heart to go through the
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: terrible times that are heading our way, because we will
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: emerge through these terrible times back in control of our
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: own land. You take the National Health Service and imported
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: vitamins and vegetables out of our world, and the likes
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: of you and me will be fine out of our Britain.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: But if you refuse, if you have any shade darker
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: brown than I go in the summer, then your kids
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: are going to have rickets. You know, it's a disaster
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: for these people. They're not them, not meant to be
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: here in our natural state. We're heading towards a time
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: when we're all going to be living more in our
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: natural state and having that close connection, as the wood
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Under initiative is showing can be done. That's something which
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: is not important in party political terms, but I think
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: it's enormously enormously important in terms of really really the
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: deep being of our people.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think that Simon is
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: doing fantastic work with that. Yeah, And it's a beachhead ultimately,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: you know, this is it's just it's a statement of intent.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: It's a line in the sand. It's it's the sense
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: of ownership. And as you say, it's it's getting back
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: to a more primal state and more natural state in
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: terms of our relationship.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: With with with with with with the country.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: But the soil from which we've we've emanated, you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: as people, you know, it's it's it's it's a great thing.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And I completely agree.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I think that the energy and time and particularly money
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: would be much better directed towards that kind of thing,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: and pointing these kind of political battles.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Kind of said on that that I was. I was
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: writing some notes for this s I'm working on at
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: the moment just the other night other night, and it
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: just suddenly struck me because I was thinking about, you know,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the we are indigenous to these lands, and there's no
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: question of this. My maternal maternal DNA goes back to
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: the cave painters who were there in France and northern
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Spain at the end of the last Ice Age. So
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: my on my maternal line, my people have been in
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: this land for fifteen sixteen thousand years. On the paternal side,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: like you you were saying there, I've got the Iron
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Age Scandinavian DNA like most bricks have. But I was
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: thinking in terms of when ah, and I'm the same
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: as it basically everybody else you know in this country.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: If your grandparents were born here, then you've been here
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: an awful long time. We are indigenous, and I've always
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: sort of said in this regard of we came here
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: at the the end of the Ice Age, we've been
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: here ever since. But just struck me the other day
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: because I was thinking about the woodlander initiative in particular,
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: and I was thinking, you know, we were the folk
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: ones who came here, you know, to the oak woodlands.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: We were the first ones here. Actually it's not right,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: you know, because our ancestors were here before the oak woodlands.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Because we were here as the ice sheets receded. We were
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: here in the tundra. We were here as if you
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: know anything about the development of a forest, the oak
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: forest is the climax vegetation of northwestern Europe. Birch trees
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: come first, one hundred years before the oaks. We were
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: here even before the oak trees and the beech trees.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: So how much more fitting to than to bring young
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: people up and educate them and so on. The woodcraft
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: folk and so on did this in the nineteen thirties. Interesting,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: the last time we had this great stress, people also
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: then turned back to these deep roots. So the same
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: thing is happening now. And Simon and the woodland and
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: As are absolutely ahead of the curve on this. But
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: we were there before are woodland. So what better than
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: to take a piece of our woodland, which is actually
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: in u buite cheaper if it's somewhat ruined if it's
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: some of it, these these hideous imported, with respect to
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: your Norwegian ancestry, Scandinavian fir trees, which do not belong
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: in our country. The Scots Pine does, the others don't.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: So buy a piece of woodland which is packed with
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: these horrible, imported, ecologically useless Norwegian firs and cut the
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: bloody things down, and plant beech trees and oak trees,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: and buy some disease resistant elms and help put back
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: the landscape which our ancestors grew up with in the
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: first place.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: What a thing to do, Absolutely, what a legacy. So
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: it's interesting.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Right back at the start of the conversation, you made
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: a comment that the civilization that we knew growing up
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: is finished, and by a station, what I felt that
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: you meant by that, I think you meant by that
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: was post to war liberal capitalism. Right, So that's essentially
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: the eying off. But what we're going to be left
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: with if we do our work correctly, is something much
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: more ancient and fundamental. So this stuff's just going to
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: be swept aside, and the kind of real foundations are
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: going to be left.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, the trick is to try to do it
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: without chaos, mayhem and bloodshed, and to try to do
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: it without the chaos, mayhem and Bloch bloodshed being used
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: by an utterly ruthless global elite and the local pawns
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: to lock us all down into perpetual poverty and degradation
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: and a new form of techno slavery, because that is
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: where they want to take us.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's exactly where they want to take us.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: So on that point, you know, if we're not going
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: to war, then we're going to have to negotiate. So
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: you've mentioned that you have conversations with people in the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Muslim community. Could you talk a little bit more about that, Like,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: how has that happened, what have you been discussing?
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Well, that happened. I've been twice now on a show
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: with the Five Pillars, which is probably Britain's main Islamist
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: TV channel, altern into the TV channel. We're dealing a
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: scene and I've sat down with deal and we've talked
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: at great length. But also and following on from that,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I've met, you know, talk with other Muslims and so on.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: But primarily I always had a Twitter feed and in
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: BNP days I used it a bit, but it was
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: actually before the time when Twitter became so important as
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: the public political forum, and post the BNP days, I
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: just sort of kept it ticking over until the invasion
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: of Gaza, the War on Gaza, when I started using
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: it more and more, and in particular to argue from
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: a British nationalist perspective that this is not our war.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: This is actually something wicked. It's certainly not a justifiable war.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: That everything you hear about it and the mass media
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: is propagandalies, you know, for all the beheaded babies, all
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: the rest of this pure fantasy poison that was put out.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: So I was using my ex feed particularly to put
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: a genuine British nationalist perspective on the crisis in the
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Middle East. And during that time I did this for
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: some months. It was getting a staggering reach, particularly among
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Muslims in Britain. It was getting to the stage where
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: in the old days I couldn't go to a Muslim
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: area it was simply suicidally dangerous. But walking around anywhere
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: where there's any significant number of Muslims, I was being
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: stopped every single time by quite young Muslims, too young
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: to remembered me. The first time around. So, mister Griffin,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: we know that you used him a problem with our people,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: but I wanted to shake your hand and thank you
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: for what you're saying about Gaza. There was a huge turnaround.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Now at a certain points, I was talking about the
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: car Unis massacre which the eye, where more than one
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: hundred bodies were dug up after the IDF and withdrawn,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: all with the hands bound behind their backs and shot
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: in the back of the head typical NKDV style. And
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I was talking about this and saying this is not new.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: There was the IDF carried out massacre in Cain units
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty six as well. These monsters have got
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: formed for this. And I hammered this relentlessly for forty
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: eight hours, and all of a sudden bang my ex
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: account was hacked and blocked and interfered with. And although
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I've got one now as Nick Griffin, beyond the pail,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: it's tiny and nailed on the floor there. But it
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: was largely that that opened up an awful lot of
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Muslims in Britain across all backgrounds, saying actually next got
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: something to say, and actually sitting down and talking with
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: these people then yeah, they they don't want to take
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: over Britain. So there are some crazy young radical extremists,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and actually their influence is decreasing because Saudi Arabia, until
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: about two thousand and eight, I think it was, was
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: putting vast amounts of money, pouring money into radicalizing Britain,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: into waha baising Britain. This is the same ultra Sunni
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: craziness which produced with the help of the Cia Mi
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: six of Masade, which produced Isis and al Qaider in
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: the first place, and they did have a serious influence
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: on young Muslims in Britain. Since the Saudis had stopped
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: doing that and the current Saudi leader, basically being bad
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: with Israel, appears to be trying to produce a new
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: rainbow flag rather gay friendly version of Islam. So they've
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: stopped promoting the radicals and radicalism has declined. If it
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't for things like the British elite promoting LGBT insanity,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: which radicalizes young Muslims because they have a fairly masculine
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and in many ways healthy way looking at things. If
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: it wasn't for that radicalization process, then the Muslim community
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: in Britain would actually becoming more moderate. I think the
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: moderation process properly is now ground to a halt. The
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: war in Iran won't particularly radicalize them because one of
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: the great flaws of Islam is the division between Sunni
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: and Shia, and the fact that the Sunni so hate
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: the Shia. It's wicked. Actually, they hate the Shia so
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: much that they basically don't have a really simplithy with Iran.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: And they'd rather Israel and the United States crush Iran
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: than have Iran leading Islam. So that kind of sectarians
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: and drastically divides their community. It reflects very, very badly
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: on them. It doesn't reflect as badly as them on
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: them as the Grooming Gangs scandal did. But you know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: many the Muslims I meet, they are actually ashamed of that.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Let's say it was haram and our community should have
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: done more to stand up against it. Now I agree
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: with them, but I'm not prepared to slag off their
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: community for not standing up against the grooming gangs when
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: my community did. Sweet bugger all as well, because why
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: should a Muslim elder in one of their communities stand
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: up against a gang? A very unpleasant but quite powerful
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: young thugs, when even the fathers and brothers of a
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: million rate English girls didn't stand up for them either.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: So all communities here are horribly guilty, but none so
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: much as ours are not at our elite, the police,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: the politicians, the media who covered it all up, but
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: also the working class communities themselves it didn't do anything
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: about it. Now part of the great change going on
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: in Britain we were talking out right at the start,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: is the fact that communities which did nothing about it
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: twenty to thirty years ago are now willing to do
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: things about it. It's one of the reasons now that
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: there are still problems with the grooming gangs in some areas,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: but far less than they were in most. Sex attacks
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: are still a real issue. Britain is more dangerous for
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: young women and young girls than it ever has been
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: in the last one hundred years or more, but these
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: are primarily that newly arrived migrants, not the existing Muslim communities.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Because the grooming thing brought shame on the communities, it
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: was bad for business, and white working class communities are
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: standing up against it and families are more aware about
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: of it, so girls are better protected. Part of the
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: reason for all of those things is what the British
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: National Party did more than twenty years ago, because it
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: was two thousand and four when I was arrested for
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: talking about the grooming gang scandal, and when I was
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: talking about and speaking at meeting after meeting after meetings
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: saying to people, the solution to this is not to
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: go and burn down the local Indian restaurant, which is monstrous, cruel,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: unfair and counter productive, because the only way to deal
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: with this is a political approach. Political approach because this
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: is the local councils who won't press the local police,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: it's the local media who won't say the family is
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: what's going on. So therefore we must get involved in
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: political work and so on to turn this around. And
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: we did help to break this story. We did make
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: it an issue which other people later, first Tommy Robinson,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: then very very belatedly Nigel Garage and so on other
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: people jumped on the bandwagon which we started, and it
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: has helped to shut this thing down. But that the
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: success of that, and the fact that there is still
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: a problem is a further indication of how much good
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: Rupert low and restore and people who think along those
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: lines could do if they were doing the right thing,
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: which are present they're not.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, And actually the.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: One of the things you Love's done that that has
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: certainly caught a lot of attention is to carry out
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: this independent inquiry into the grooming gangs issue. But then
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: it's been presented as something that is purely to do
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: with immigrants and Muslims in particular, when actually it's a
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: much broader issue than that, indeed, and also sort of
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: straying into the territory where it becomes almost like a
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: form of collective guild and collective punishment, whereas which isn't
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: very English. You know, we're about We're about the rule
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: of law, presumption of innocence and the rights of the individual.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: And to go around collectively targeting entire demographics based on
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: the actions or very small groups of individuals, it's just
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: not something that we should be tolerating in this society.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: I've got two particular issues with well, first of all,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: those grooming gangs inquiry. It's a good thing. The fact
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: you could crowd fund at the drop of perhaps six
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: hundred thousand pounds for it shows his capacity to crowdfund
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: for good things. So we talked about that already, so
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: fair play. It has done some good work, and I
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: vaguely know of some of the women now girls then
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: who were able to speak and speak their minds and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: be listened to and sympathized with. That alone is something
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: which you have to commend. But wasn't that independent and fearless?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Because it was he'd have had me on there, and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: he'd come to me and said, mister Griffin, can he
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: please gather your old activists who were there at the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: time of their contacts, because to have an inquiry into
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: the grooming gangs without having the British National Party from
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: two thousands and four through to twenty fourteen there, it's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: a farce in its own right. So it's not that independent.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: But then, as you say, it's extremely focused. And if
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: you focus, which it does, whether by accidental design, it
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: focuses the idea at all Peter Fidia and the whole
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: sex crime things in Britain is just down to the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Muslim community. So it allows the police and the local
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: elites and the overall the global elite monsters to sort
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: of walk away. I'm looked at. The Epstein thing is
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: not some vague quirk by one very wealthy individual with
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: a few contacts. It's a symptom of something much much
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: deeper and utterly rotten in this global cabal which has
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: so much influence over us. And then it goes as say,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: right down to local police forces and so on, where
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: people were also nonsen girls. So that's entirely wrong. And
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: the other thing, of course, it changes the whole immigration
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: debate to instead of if you have mass immigration, all
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: sorts of things come in which are a potential problem
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: and in any case we've always said no, we don't
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: want and we can't take anymore. It changes that from
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: that to immigration is really a good thing as long
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: as they're not Muslims. Now, if you think that mass
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: immigration from India is going to make Britain any safer
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: for young girls, you speak to someone who comes from
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: India or knows India, and they will tell you that
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: there's times of the year when no young children can
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: be allowed out because they disappear in huge numbers and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: they are ritually sacrificed by the genuine demonic element that
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: is within Hinduism. You know, the evils that come from
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: and we've seen in aspects of Islam, are from certain
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: strands of Islam, which through the centuries. Sometimes they're high
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: and they're sort of present, other times they basically disappear,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: and the isis type headshopping craziness is not normal to Islam.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: It's always there is a potential within Islam because there's
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: that fundamental stone elevant, but it's only genuinely generally brought
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: out at certain times, and in our time it's been
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: brought out, as I said before, thanks to the CIA,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: Masad and Mi six. So it's a problem. But within
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: Hinduism there is absolutely in it all the time, some
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: real dark evil. They've got a whole class of priests
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: who only eat the remains of dead bodies and human excrement.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: This is something it's utterly appalling. It's we won't go
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: into the Talmut, but likewise there with another people of
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: the book, there's a section which is thoroughly evil. I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: won't let the Christians off on this. Christian Zionists are
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: the most dangerous people on the planet. So all the
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: peoples of the book have got something dodgy about them
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: somewhere along the line. But the Hindus have as well.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: And pretending that mass immigration isn't a problem as long
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: as it's not Muslims, opens the country up more to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: mass immigration from India, where quite apart from the dangers
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: at certain festivals to children, is also the fact that
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: no Indian girl or woman can walk the streets or
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: somewhere like Delhi safely because abduction and gang rape is
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: just something that goes on there. And if you bring
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: in large numbers of these people in this country, many
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: of them are race civilized, very nice, et cetera, et cetera,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: wouldn't dream of it, but you will be importing an
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: element of minority who behave like that as well. And
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Rupert Lowe and all the others just focusing on the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Muslim problem of child molesting and sex crimes are opening
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: the door to everyone else, from the elite through to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: other immigrants to bring it in. And we defense this
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: about it because we thought it was only the Muslims
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: hate the case.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: What a world, What a world, I think.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: So it's been great to hear that you've been engaging
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: constructively with the Muslim community. And actually someone did recommend
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: me to go and listen to that Dilly who's saying podcast.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: You've just reminded me he's on my list. I need
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: to go and check that down.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: I think the second is better than the first, but
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: probably if people really want to get a sort of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: handle on this debate and discussion, they probably need to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: watch both of them. So that's on five five Pillars
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: of Islam. We find it on YouTube surprising, yes.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: So we'll put some links to that. I think.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Also one of the stories that Brian gerishm UK column
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: he always talks about is in the early days of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: the column, being invited invited up to Birmingham to one
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: of the main mosques there and delivering a talk to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: several hundred people, and actually at the time the chap
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: who was running the mosque.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Basically saying, well, there were a few things.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: The first one that always just stands out to me
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: was that they didn't realize that actually the things that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: were happening to them in Birmingham were also happening to
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: every other community around the country, so in some sense
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: everyone is being persecuted by the system.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing, which I really.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Loved was that he said that England is a duel,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: but there's something dark happening beneath the surface here, which
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I think was very insightful and certainly back tip by
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: what we've what we've been talking about.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: So I think that's that's an incredibly valuable, valuable.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Line to explore, like building these coalitions and the relationships
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: across the different ethnic groups. The one that I actually
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: sent to you, I don't know if you had a
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: chance to see it, but that really caught my attention
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: a few weeks ago was a clip shared on Instagram
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: of a young Afro Caribbean chat.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Probably in his early twenties. Yeah, yeah, I guess he was.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I think he was in he was in London or
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: something like that. And and this, this demographic demographic have
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: started coming across clips of Nick Griffin talking about the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Ed Allen Zionist infiltration of the British nationalist movement from
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: from twenty years ago, and this is resonating with them,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: and that's that's quite an extraordinary thing that the establishment
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: cannot deal with.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: It is extraordinary, and it is also really important that's
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: trying to build these bridges and defuse the civil war
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: problems people are building up, not least because nearly everybody
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: on the sort of the the aware properly woke right
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: and so on, and some of the left for that matter,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: and the Muslims, they understand the fact that the Tommy Robinson,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: through the GP News thing, this is fundamentally an ultrasionist. Still,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: he could operation to destabilize Britain. Everyone gets that. What
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: far fewer people understand is that there's also an American
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: deep state war against Europe, because in the end, you
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: can only keep the dollar up and maintain American hegemony
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: in a world where they're losing Asia and so on
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: to the Chinese and to the Indians. So you can
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: only keep America dominating the dollar, dominating their shrunken world
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: if they they utterly dominate Europe. And if you think
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: back to earlier in the Ukraine War, the attack on
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: the nord Stream pipeline, the biggest active industrial sabotage in
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: world history, even if it was carried out by the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Ukrainians at grassroots level, was absolutely obviously sanctioned by the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: CIA and the American deep state. And the use of
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: sanctions against Russia energy sanctions is not designed to particularly
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: hurt Russia because they've been able to export. They simply
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: exported their oil to Turkey, ins India and the Indians,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: and the Turks are solid to US anyway. So it's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: not hurting Russia. It's certainly not hurting America because they
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: don't really do business with Russia. It's devastated the industrial
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: base of Western Europe, particularly Germany, France, Italy, and Britain.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: So America, the people running America, I don't blame the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: American people for this. They screwed them before they screw
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: anybody else. The people running America had been at war
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: with europe an undeclared war for many, many years. In fact,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: the First World War it wasn't just about the international
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: banking system wanting a world war. The Second World War
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: wasn't just about a rematch and the World Zionist Congress
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: declaring war on Germany under the Rothschilds backing both sides,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. Both those wars the key war
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: aim of the American for that matter, an Anglo American
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: elite to a degree. This is sort of this Masonic
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: ultra wasp thing. A key aim of the First World
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: War was the destruction of the empires of the Kaiser
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: in his allies, but also Russia, one of our allies,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: and the key war aim of America and the Second
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: World war was the destruction of the remaining European empires,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: the Belgian, the French, and the British, and they achieved
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: those things. So American finance, capitalism and the military industrial
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: complex has always been an enemy of ours. They've always
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: wanted to do us down. They took all our best
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: bases in exchange for one hundred rusty destroyers under lend
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: lease and called that you a fair deal, and it wasn't.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: It was a deliberate attack on us and our power
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: around the world. And just as we've seen it more
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: recently with like I say, the North Stream pipeline and
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: the energy sanctions, so too. I believe it's very very
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: clear that when Angelo Merkel, with the help of Joish Soros,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: brought in this wave, enormous wave of undocumented military age
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: males into Germany, and then all the puppet powers, the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Boris Wave and the Starmer wave and Malone and so on,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: all these puppets of the American global hegemony that brought
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: in these huge numbers of people into Western Europe. That's
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: because they want a civil war. And people who just
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: look at Joosh Soros and say, oh, look it's the
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Jews again. Joe Soros and the Open Society Foundation for
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: fifty years has worked hand in glove with the National
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Endowment for Democracy. That's where most of the money comes
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: from for this. The National Endowment for Democracy is a
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: CIA front. So on one hand they brought these people
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: in and through the Albanians they are then on the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: other hands they now wind up the bricks. And the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: very start of the English Defense League wasn't just Zionist,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: it was also an operation run by a man who
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: works completely for Dick Cheney, man called Frank Gaffley. So
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: that's American deep state. So they created the other side
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: of the civil war, and through the Ukrainian gangs, with
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: access to vast amounts of weaponry, they've also set in
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: motion what will in due course be the supply chain
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: to supply arms and explosers, etc. To the other side
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: in this European civil war that these people want to spark.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: And when so many very powerful people want to drive
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: us to civil war, they're operating one final thing on this.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: It's the precisely same playbook, the CIA playbook that tore
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: apart the former Yugoslavia and created horror there for their interests,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: and now they're trying to do the same to Britain
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: and the whole of Western Europe for the interest not
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: just of the Zionist thing, which is in a way
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: is a smaller, more compact part of this interlocking elite.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: It's also in the end the enormous money power, which
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: I think is beyond race and religion unless it's Satanic,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: which operates out of Wall Street. And they want to
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: tear our society apart and to ruin this beautiful country
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: of ours and for that matter, France and Germany, Holland, Sweden,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And the only possible way to resist this
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: is not just to be aware of what they're trying
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: to do and to stand up to it by ourselves,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: but also to reach out to people who are otherwise
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: on the other side and try to ways to diffuse
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: this bomb before it takes us all to pieces.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: And actually I should say, in addition to what I mentioned,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: a moment ago, I was sitting on the top deck
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: of a bus in Brixton last summer July, early July,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: listening to some Africans speaking, and they were very much African.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: You could tell the accents were not English accents, and
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: they were basically saying that England should be for the English.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: And I couldn't believe it what I was hearing.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: I see and some of them were helped, some of
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: them were flying Union jacks, and I thought, wow, I mean,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: if the lid comes off this, because the entire narrative
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: is driven by division, and if there is no division,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: and that's not just from our side, that's coming from
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: the other side as well, then the people in power
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: have got a big problem.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, interesting times, interesting times in Dbay, fantastic.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: It's been fantastic to talk to you. Thank you so
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: much for taking the time. I feel like we should
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: probably have a follow up conversation at some point.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: We delighted. Sometimes yeah, great.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I have one one, one final question for you, which is,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: if Jonathan Bowden were alive today, what do you think
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: he'd make him all this?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: If Jonathan Bowden were alive today, he'd be in his element,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: speaking at meetings, riding him up with this wonderful, fancy, flowery,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: nonsensical hope. He was great. He's one of the few
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: people and he's to sometimes think, you know, listening to
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: and speak thinking how the hell do. I follow that,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: but I never once heard him come up with something
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: practical and doable. It's simply tooth fairy politics. He used
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: to say, oil in the world. If we're short and oil, well,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: just go and take it. I falls arms because that's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: what the British do and everyone, yeah, absolutely loves it.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: But it's bullshit, Ben, It's bullshit. It always was not
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: going to not going to to happen. He was a
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: sort of shamanistic figure actually, but utterly impractical, with no
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: practical ability. I made him at once when he got
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: involved in the BNP. He said, well, I must have
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: a position, So I said, yeah, cultural officer, yes, but
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  Speaker 3: I must I must have a budget. So okay, fair enough,
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  Speaker 3: because there are things that can be done, whether it's
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: taking getting groups of people together for a non political
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  Speaker 3: expedition to a museum or something like that, whatever you decide.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, he said, well, what's the budget. I
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  Speaker 3: need several hundreds I said two thousand pounds, so that
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  Speaker 3: he s to spend that's not the that's not the ceiling.
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  Speaker 3: Spend that well and wisely, and it's going, well, you
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  Speaker 3: can have more. Do you know how much about money
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: he spent so much nothing so on the real plus
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  Speaker 3: side of Jonathan Bowden, all the people now around making
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: doing the remigration stuff for the big rah rah, We're
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: going to win just easy. They're all going home. Won't
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: accept this. They're all making money out of it because
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: it's all monetized social media. Jonathan Bowden didn't even take
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: a penny for himself in traveling expenses or to buy
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: himself a book. He simply didn't take any because he
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: wasn't interested in money. But also to be given the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: job of cultural Officer and a budget of two thousand
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  Speaker 3: pounds and not spend a single penny of it indicates
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: that the man was simply an intellectual, and a strange
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: one at that, with no ability to do anything politically
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  Speaker 3: effective in the real world. So I won't speak it
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  Speaker 3: of the day and say he was not a grifter
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: and he'd have a lovely time now, but he wouldn't
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: be helping because he'd just be riding people up with
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: the same stuff, because that's what the crowds love to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic, that was brilliant. Thank you so much for taking
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  Speaker 2: good time.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much, been a pleasure. Thanks for some
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: really interesting questions and some fantastic points for me as well.
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  Speaker 3: It's been great.
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  Speaker 2: It's all the next one you've been watching UK Collen,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for watching